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Dear UK, from hot Australia, your NetZero policies will kill far more people than a 40C weekday

Even the Australian ABC was telling Australians with a straight face that the extreme heat in the UK was so dangerously bad that healthy young people might die in the heat. For most Australians, it’s not summer if it doesn’t hit 40. And for people with a sauna, it’s not fun if it’s not 60 degrees. People enjoy an hour at 60C all the time without  dying. We are mammals, we just need to drink. (And make sure we never forget the kids in the car).

Toby Young at the Daily Sceptic found the perfect study released last week reminding us of how deadly UK heatwaves are:

There are Eighty Times More Excess Deaths Associated With Cold Each Year than Heat

According to a recent study in the Lancet Planetary Health, between 2000 and 2019, there were an average of 65,000 excess deaths per year in England and Wales associated with cold, but fewer than 800 a year associated with heat. In other words, roughly 80 times more deaths per year are associated with cold than heat.

The eighty fold difference shows how serious a UK winter is, and how beneficial a little global warming will be. Even here in hot Australia six times as many people die of the cold not the heatNothing kills as many people as the moderate cold — partly because Vitamin D deficiency is so much more common in winter. If only our Health Departments could solve that?

When winter comes, if UK energy bills ‘hit more than £3,300 a year’, sadly, energy poverty will kill even more people than usual.

From the study we see that the Urban Heat Island effect is very real, and almost certainly saves many more people than it kills:

The team found that London had the highest heat-related mortality rate, with 3.21 excess deaths per 100,000 people, which translates to 170 heat-related excess deaths each year. Heat-related risks were also much greater in urban areas across the two countries.

In contrast, the risk of death associated with the cold was highest in the North East of England and Wales, with an excess mortality rate of 140.45 deaths and 136.95 deaths per 100,000 people, respectively. London had the lowest risk associated with cold temperatures, with 113.97 deaths per 100,000 people (almost 5800 cold-related excess deaths each year).

When the Bureau of Meteorology is issuing it’s first ever Red Extreme Heat Warning it’s like sauna’s just don’t exist:

A sauna is like a million years worth of climate change

The Red Extreme Heat warming might be a record new announcement — but when exactly, did the Bureau of Met first devise the Extreme Heat Warning scale? How many years has it sat there unused?

London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine issued their study with the snappy title that concisely summed up nothing:

Both heat and cold increase risk of death in England and Wales but rates vary across geographical areas and population groups

Headlines like that hide the news in plain view. Imagine the blockbuster front page expositions if the result had showed heat was more deadly? Not only would it have been short and punchy and conveyed the message, but the study would have become a mantra on the Nine O’Clock News.

Lancet Planetary Health study here — even if they can’t do headlines, it sounds like a decent job with the data.

The researchers analysed 10.7 million deaths that occurred in England and Wales between 2000 and 2019 across over 37,473 small areas that include around 1,600 residents, also known as lower super output areas (LSOAs). They then linked these data with high-resolution gridded temperature maps and potential drivers of vulnerability to heat and cold, including demographic and socio-economic factors, health and disability, housing and neighbourhood, landscape, and climatological characteristics. This allowed the researchers to characterise differences across small areas and map variation in temperature-related mortality risks across the two countries.

Other posts on the deadly effect of moderately cold weather and the life saving use of fossil fuels

REFERENCE

Antonio Gasparrini et al. Small-area assessment of temperature-related mortality risks in England and Wales: a case time series analysis. Lancet Planetary Health. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1016/S2542-5196(22)00138-3

Sauna Photo by Jorge Royan,

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197 comments to Dear UK, from hot Australia, your NetZero policies will kill far more people than a 40C weekday

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    Sending you some heavy storms from Newfoundland…love Canada!

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    Here in south west England we have had a very pleasant week with temperatures around 24c. It’s supposed to be 31c here tomorrow. We shall see. The extreme heat of 40c is in central and eastern England the latter of which regularly gets weather from the continent which doesn’t make it over to us here in Devon

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      James Murphy

      We wouldn’t want to see another Devonian extinction event…!

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      Phillip Bratby

      In North Devon where I live, it has been cool overnight so that I have all the windows open and the draft of air is cooling the house down to well below 17degC. I am looking forward to a nice warm summer’s day spent in the garden. What dangerous heatwave? That third-rate climate “scientist” Prof David Betts was just on the TV spreading his usual lies about global warming and how they had predicted these intense levels of heat due to human emissions of greenhouse gases and how we must achieve net zero. In Delboy’s famous words “what a plonker”!

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        tonyb

        Philip

        Be warned you will fry and all that will be left of you is a small sizzling burger like entity gently sizzling on the grass.

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      tonyb

      Update on Monday in Death Valley aka the UK. Here in the South West the Met Office (20 miles away in Exeter) have ramped up the max temperature from 31C to 32C. At present at 9Am its gone quite cloudy and is 22C. Cambridge where my son lives has been ramped up from 41C to 42C with their heat lasting Today and Tuesday (its about Friday already over in Oz, right)

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        tonyb

        So, our final temperature in Coastal Devon is around 25.5 C so certainly by no means the heatwave the media are constantly going on about. Cambridge seems to be the hottest place at present at 40C which will likely go a bit higher.

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      Annie

      Haha! I loved that cartoon when I first saw it and still do. Matt, he hits the nail on the head so often!

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      And in 1975 just before I emigrated to Australia. I was in Central England in late July 2018 when the temps were in the low 30s C and it hadn’t rained for 3 months. The cold beers helped me cope with the ‘extreme’ heat…………lol

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        Dennis

        In the late 1990s in London travelling on a holiday I went looking for a cold beer, the hotel barman commented that I must be an Australian.

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    The reference to 1976 in the Matt cartoon refers to our most exceptional summer in our lifetime. Everyone enjoyed it whereas this time round we are warned not to go out in the sun or we shall die from the heat or get burnt from the sun or failing that will drown of we decide to go in the water

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      Tony, yes, the irony that — as I understand — many Brits head to hotter Spain for holidays but are now being told to hide from the same heat at home.

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        tonyb

        Jo

        yes, favourite destinations for many Brits are very hot Spain and very hot Turkey (or even hotter Airport queues) . Judging by the people I see here sitting out in pub gardens or on the beach they prefer to be in the sun where a pleasant 25C shade temperature turns into 50degreesC plus as the sun is very strong at this time of year. Personally I prefer Austria in the winter

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      Jack01

      June-July 1976 had 16 consecutive days above 30°C, four of which were above 34°C. That is a far more impressive heatwave than 2 days in the high 30’s (for London anyway – in Aus that’s standard summer).

      Then there was August 2003 where London had 8 days above 30°C (non-consecutive, punctuated by a 29.7), three of which were above 35°C and a top of 38°C.

      So all things considered, this “heatwave” which is very short in length but high in intensity, pales in comparison to past events.

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      Tonyb – Wasn’t 1976 in the middle of the “almost ice age”? Back then as now, Australia was seasonally extra cold and wet, so the heat and dry had to go somewhere to balance off the almost nothing change in global average temps.

      Having a look at the CET July average max. temps, there were some pretty wild swings:

      from 15.27℃ in 1974 to 18.7℃ in 1976
      from 14.7℃ in 1980 to 19.5℃ in 1983.

      But the again, if we look back further, we find these pre-industrial swings:

      from 13.4℃ in 1816 to 18.2℃ in 1818.
      from 14.0℃ in 1674 to 18.0℃ in 1677.

      Weather repeats itself time and again – its just that now there a more convenient ways to talk about it.

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    Mikky

    The propaganda war has already been lost, well before the event, rather like the TV and radio news which is often about what is going to happen, in order to keep a favoured topic in the news for as long as possible.

    A master stroke was for the Met Office to declare a RED warning, something that has never happened before … simply because it is a new idea. The simple fact that this is the first RED warning is enough to sway many commentators to the alarmist cause.

    The UK needs a surface station analysis like the one in the US, since record temperatures don’t paint a true picture when they come from sun traps.

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      Robert Swan

      Maybe they’re taking a leaf from the Aussie fire services with their wonderfully successful “catestrophic” level. Will there be “holocaustic” and “armageddic” coming up?

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        Robert Swan

        Monday morning spelling catestrophe. My misteke.

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          sophocles

          … but amusing 🙂

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            Ted1.

            Yes. I’ve been hearing of Code (Colour) in recent times. Haven’t worked it out yet, but Red could be one of the bad ones.

            It seems not everybody is on the same page.

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          Aussie fire danger warning signs have evolved, from:
          No smoke, no worries to:
          Low → Moderate → High → Very High → Extreme, to
          Low-Moderate → High → Very High → Severe → Extreme → Catastrophic

          Once again, the moderates have been lumped into a group that doesn’t want anything to do with them, especially on rainy days.

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      David Maddison

      The scenario now will be to issue more and more “red warnings”.

      Then the propaganda will read that “until 2022 there was never a red warning, now the number of warnings is increasing rapidly”.

      It will be proof of imminent climate catastrophe and efforts will have to be redoubled to cut down on energy consumption, build more windmills, solar and Big Batteries, and yes, to eat more insects to save the planet.

      Entomophagy (insect eating) is the next big thing the Elites expect of the non-Elites. Sorry I keep bringing this up but it is part of the plan along with energy starvation, control of health choices and associated totalitarian laws that go with that, and now the war against agriculture.

      I just wish rational thinkers outside this blog could see what’s happening.

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      robert rosicka

      Not sure if anyone else noticed but there has been a notable increase from Fox News on social media this year which usually start with or include these words “hottest day this year” . This is from the UK version of Fox News .

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    Geoffrey Williams

    Get the map right guys !

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      LOL. The London red bubble is too far north of where London actually is…………………Need to move the blue bubble to the side or make it smaller to fit London right in.

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      James Murphy

      We are in the post-geography age. London can be anywhere you feel it should be.

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      Gary S

      Although many Welshmen would wish it so, Wales has not yet been detached from Great Britain.

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    Indur Goklany

    Virtually every country for which studies have been done comparing mortality on days that are warmer-than-optimum versus colder-than-optimum, indicates that that mortality is higher on colder-than-optimum days is substantially higher.

    For Australia, the ratio of deaths attributable to extreme cold vs extreme heat is of the order of 14-to-1. See: <a href="Impacts of Climate Change: Perception and Reality

    But no matter, we will virtue signal, and pretend we are improving matters by reducing one problem while halting progress on another, larger problem.

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    David Maddison

    (COPIED)

    GLOBAL WARMING c.1968 : 550 COLLAPSE AT WIMBLEDON FROM THE HEAT

    54 years ago this week (July 1968) back when CO2 was at ‘safe’ levels – London was experiencing such an intense heat wave that the Tower Bridge became stuck and 550 tennis fans at Wimbledon collapsed from the heat.

    At the same time in Wales, fist-size hailstones smashed windows and car windshields, while a freak downpour caused severe flooding at the village of Aberfan where 116 children and 28 adults were buried in 1966 following torrential rain.

    Thankfully today we are so much safer from such climatic extremes.

    But just imagine if 550 tennis fans collapsed from the heat at Wimbledon this year – global warming would be blamed for sure with demands we return CO2 back to the same levels of 1966 when the same thing happened.

    Update : This week in 2022, spectators at Wimbledon will need a warm jacket with maximum temp expected on Thursday at 15C

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      Greg in NZ

      That put a smile on my face, David, as did your comment immediately below 😁

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        Ted1.

        Copied from The Smithsonian:

        “The Aberfan disaster is a terrifying tale of bungling ineptitude by many men charged with tasks for which they were totally unfitted, of failure to heed clear warnings, and of total lack of direction from above,” the investigators wrote in their report. “Not villains but decent men, led astray by foolishness or by ignorance or by both in combination, are responsible for what happened at Aberfan.”

        Ring any bells?

        (When you QUOTE from a source you need to post the LINK for it) CTS

        [Smithsonian link – Jo]

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    Peter Fitzroy

    The climate models got it wrong again, this sort of heat (including Western Europe as well) was not expected until after 2050

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      Graeme No.3

      No surprise, those climate models have always been wrong when the Date of Doom arrives and we can check prediction v reality.
      And how many of us will be around in 2050 to check?

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      David Maddison

      Peter, I’m shocked! Are you saying you disagree with your (formerly?) beloved and non-validated “climate models”?

      They have never made an accurate prediction, or even an accurate hindcast.

      In a proper scientifically rigorous environment they would be declared invalid and have to be scrapped or modified so that they would reflect actual (non fraudulently altered) observational data.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Depends David, NASA, Notional Geographic, National Academy of Science, Science.org, Columbia University and NOAA, to name a few of the hundreds which say that the models are good and fit for purpose, especially in predicting temperature, even those first used 50 years ago. But I believe you instead.

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          b.nice

          “None of the models used by IPCC are initialized to the observed state and none of the climate states in the models correspond even remotely to the current observed climate

          Trenberth ! 2007

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            Bozotheclown

            Peter locked in his nonscience state will likely ignore your 15 year old argument. Of course he should have been able to come up with a counter after that long but……..No

            The models are wrong and that is the core of where we are at.

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        Ian

        Obviously one’s first, fleeting, impression is that Peter Fitzroy is disagreeing with “climate models” but on consideration by the reader it is apparent he is saying that the effects of climate change are being felt much earlier than the models predicted

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          Kalm Keith

          Considerably.

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            Nice little repartee you and Kalm Keith have there with Peter Fitzroy “Ian” …..Who perchance is the “the reader ” ? Each and every nudged commentator here that concurs with you ? It must be said however , the effects of climate change are not being experienced ” much earlier than models predicted ” at all and you have not specified these models ” [ let alone cited any links ] many of which are at variance with one another …..What I find most interesting is that Petert Fitzroy has resorted to the Appeal to Authority fallacy [ NASA …Columbia University and NOAA to name a few of the hundreds which say the models are good “] and neither you not ‘Kalm Keith’ has challenged him …Isn’t that odd ?

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          Stuart Hamish

          [Duplicate]

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          Stuart Hamish

          Its almost like they’re chatting under the same hat …Do you think you’ll be buffed up to ’16 thumbs up ‘ Ian and “Kalm Keith ” ?

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      R.B.

      Is this sort of heat predicted? There is a prediction of another degree warmer, at most, global average by 2050. But that is the mean of the whole day, over the whole world. The increase in maximum temperatures of hot days should not be as large, and if it’s well above average in Britain, it’s colder elsewhere. The models are not good enough to attribute local weather phenomena to increased CO2 levels.

      Only stupid people think it’s a stinker rather than imperceptibly hotter because of other people’s overseas flights.

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        Tel

        The whole 40C day in England is at this stage entirely a prediction.

        There hasn’t been any 40C measurement … supposedly it might, maybe happen tomorrow. It’s worth considering that I might, maybe turn out to be the Easter Bunny. A lot of things maybe gonna happen, but haven’t happened yet.

        Let’s see what actually happens. The way people are carrying on over this, you wouldn’t know that the whole thing is theoretical.

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          Sambar

          And don’t forget Tel, the magic 40c temperature only needs to be “hit” for a nano second in one screen just long enough to register makes it legitimate. Doesn’t matter that any surround screens don’t register the highest temp evah just once just somewhere and bingo.

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          another ian

          I guess there is still enough gas for the bunsen to be alight

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      el+gordo

      Blocking high pressure across Europe has created the anomaly.

      https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/maps-and-charts/surface-pressure

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      Lance

      So a blocking high pressure heat dome wasn’t predicted by the Models?

      Seems like the models failed, it might simply be Weather, or we’ll have to wait until 2050 to see if the models work.

      The Models didn’t predict the – 78F record cold in Antarctica, either. Proof that Weather cares nothing for Models.

      “The average temperature at the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station between April and September, a frigid minus-78 degrees (minus-61 Celsius), was the coldest on record, dating back to 1957.
      https://www.libertyandecology.org/record-cold-in-antarctica-a-mere-blip-says-the-washington-post/

      “A new look at NASA satellite data revealed that Earth set a new record for coldest temperature recorded. It happened in August 2010 when it hit -135.8 degrees. ”
      https://www.foxnews.com/science/antarctica-sets-low-temperature-record-of-135-8-degrees

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        Peter Fitzroy

        We are discussing climate, not weather, and the models are working within their parameters, it is just that they predicted these temperatures later in the century

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          el+gordo

          ‘We are discussing climate, not weather …’

          Me too, blocking is caused by a wayward jet stream, and not a buildup in CO2.

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          Paul Miskelly

          So Peter,
          If we are discussing climate, not weather, then the predicted temperature at one place on one day is not part of the discussion. Correct?
          No doubt the fact that the climate models did not predict the extremes of 1976 is also irrelevant to climate model predictions. Correct?
          If so, then why did you bother to make any comment at all?
          Regards,
          Paul Miskelly

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          Stuart Hamish

          These sweltering temperatures in the United Kingdom Peter Fitzroy were experienced – not predicted by dodgy climate models – in July 1808, 1911 [ Why have you not reported on the 1808 Georgian and 1911 heatwaves Joanne ?] and 2003 …..We do not have to wait until 2050 but of course you know this …..Goodness knows how hot the English summer temperatures were during the 1538 – 41 Tudor Droughts and the Medieval Warm Period

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            Why haven’t I reported on the 1808 Georgian and 1911 heatwaves? I don’t know – I’ll sack my researchers, the whole department, oh wait…

            The UK Met office gets 250 million pounds a year and my budget is 0.

            Have you asked them why they haven’t reported on them?

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              Stuart Hamish

              The 1808 and 1911 heatwaves are certainly topical Jo…Tony Heller covered the 1911 heatwaves that resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands in Paris and New York …It only takes an hours research online and you do not have to sack or hire anyone ….The Met Office is less inclined to report the truth

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                bobn

                Stuart, sounds like you should post some info on 1808 and 1911 weather. I look forward to the links you post.

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              Stuart Hamish

              It was merely a question out of curiosity – not a recondite insult ….

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          el+gordo

          ‘ … climate, not weather …’

          And here you can see the anomaly writ large in the Southern Hemisphere, blocking too far south for this time of year brings a persistent chill.

          http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDY65100.pdf

          This is the reality of climate change, natural variables overwhelm the CO2 myth.

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        Ian

        “The Models didn’t predict the – 78F record cold in Antarctica, either. Proof that Weather cares nothing for Models”

        Climate models are for predicting climate changes not for predicting the weather.

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          el+gordo

          Talking of Antarctica, skip to the last graph on this piece from Carbon Brief, and we can see a strong correlation between CO2 and temperature.

          https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-the-rise-and-fall-of-co2-levels-influenced-the-ice-ages/

          Imagine you are back at university and the class has been given the task of debunking the correlation found in ice cores. Is it falsifiable?

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          el+gordo

          The argument is over lead/lag.

          ‘There is, however, still a degree of uncertainty about which came first—a spike in temperature or CO2. Until now, the most comprehensive records to date on a major change in Earth’s climate came from the EPICA Dome C ice core on the Antarctic Plateau.

          ‘The data, covering the end of the last ice age, between 20,000 and 10,000 years ago, show that CO2 levels could have lagged behind rising global temperatures by as much as 1,400 years.’ (Scientific America)

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          Lucky

          “Climate models are for predicting climate changes not for predicting the weather.”

          Predictions in horse racing are not to support gambling by giving names of horses who will win in specified races, they are to predict the conditions under which races will be won.

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      Humans cannot yet (if at anytime in the future as well) model Earth’s Climate.

      There are far too many variables and unknowns let alone the influence of volcanoes, the Sun, Jupiter, the Moon, the orbit of the Earth around the Sun and goodness knows what else. Animals and Humans farting methane along with CO2 pale into insignificance when compared to everything else.

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      Sunsettommy

      The big heat wave in MY area is far hotter than YOUR area yet hardly anyone dies from it in a region of nearly 300,000 people.

      I get an average of 15 days of 38C-41C a summer which no big deal to many who fills up city and state parks in the region to swim and grill.

      Cold is far more stressful to the body as it far below the body’s temperate rate of around the 36.66C average.

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      Ted1.

      Hey there 18 red thumbs. Peter Fitzroy @#9 is right.

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      Dennis

      Garbage In
      Garbage Out

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        Bozotheclown

        Definitely describes Fitzy. He comes here describing UK weather and then plays the stooge claiming “climate” when HE was the one that was wrong. Second party stooge chimes in to put him back on crutches.

        We need a third stooge to round the trio out.

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    The Great Walrus

    “When the Bureau of Meteorology is issuing it’s first ever Red Extreme Heat Warning it’s like sauna’s just don’t exist”

    Once again, mangled possessives and plurals. A minor concern, to be sure, but it detracts a little from the otherwise excellent climate articles. Proofreader needed.

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    MrGrimNasty

    The warning system was introduced a year ago.
    https://blog.metoffice.gov.uk/2021/06/18/why-the-met-office-is-launching-a-new-extreme-heat-warning/
    Even if we get 2 days at 41C, this heatwave has been nothing like as severe as 1976, or loads of other years.

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    AndyHce

    Let’s look at the big picture. On an annual basis, each dead consumes far less resources that a living useless eater. Why should those in charge care how many cockroaches don’t survive the winter? It is easy to control the minds of most voters.

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      David Maddison

      Indeed, they want to put cockroaches on the menu. The war against energy is almost complete, as is the introduction and acceptance of totalitarian laws bought about by covid, now it’s the war against agriculture.

      Also, the movie Soylent Green was set in 2022.

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    David Maddison

    Even if there were significant global warming (there is no non-fraudulently altered data that proves this as Tony Heller has demonstrated) human civilisation has always thrived in periods of natural global warming.

    The Minoan, Egyptian, Roman and Medieval Warm periods are evidence of this.

    Global warming has always been good.

    Global cooling, which it seems we may soon be entering, is always bad, especially if our energy grid us destroyed by then.

    Due to their anti-science attitude, combined with ignorance of history, the Left have adopted a belief that the world is static and unchanging. It is a form of Charles Lyell’s 19th century idea of “uniformitarianism” as applied to earth system processes.

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      Graeme No.3

      And even then De la Beche (or to give him his full title Sir Henry Thomas De la Beche KGB FRS (President of the Geological Society 1848/9) made fun of Charles Lyell’s claim that life could cycle round and reptiles take over again.
      https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/80/ba/6d80ba7edc5cff26c8637cab51c671bb.jpg
      .

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      Ian

      “Due to their anti-science attitude, combined with ignorance of history, the Left have adopted a belief that the world is static and unchanging. ”

      But surely as it is the Left that accepts the predictions of climate scientists and the Right that does not, it is the Right not the Left that has the anti-science attitude. Similarly, as it is the Left that is concerned about the predicted changes to the world that will be caused by climate change while the Right by and large is not, it is the Right that has adopted the belief the world is static and unchanging

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        el+gordo

        The left right thing is out of date, climate change has crossed all political boundaries.

        Nothing is static on this planet, with a chaotic weather system, but climate change is predictable. The models are flawed, junk in junk out.

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      Just turn off the Sun and watch the ‘Climate Change’. Game over and the models don’t work.

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    RicDre

    Aussie Cameron Smith seemed to like the weather in Scotland this week as he won The Open today.

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      el+gordo

      Adding to that, Australian Michael Matthews powered to victory on stage 14 of the Tour de France. It was hot, similar to Le Tour in South Australia.

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        Yes, but Sydney cooling let England win the Rugby Union and NZ cooling let Ireland beat the All Blacks. Not too sure about Scotland in Argentina. Maybe it was the Haggis.

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    Neville

    Thanks again Jo for highlighting the con merchant’s extremism and their lack of comparative data. The previous Eemian inter-glacial was 8 c warmer than our present Holocene and Polar bears survived. Here’s a quote from the co2 Coalition.

    Why don’t these so called Scientists understand proper data and evidence?

    https://co2coalition.org/facts/the-last-interglacial-was-8c-14f-warmer-than-today/

    “Recent research by the Niels Bohr Institute (Dahl-Jensen 2013) was the first to target ice accumulated in Greenland during the previous interglacial period, known as the Eemian. The results revealed that the Eemian interglacial warm period, between 130,000 and 115,000 years ago, was much warmer than previously thought. In fact, it was, 8°C (14.4°F) warmer than today. The implications are enormous. Even though the temperatures during the Eemian were 2.5°C (4.5°F) higher than even the most aggressive IPCC predictions, the Greenland ice sheet lost only a quarter of its mass. While 25% is significant, it is far less than the predictions of total ice elimination in response to far less warming. Also, polar bears evolved about 150,000 years ago and survived the Eemian warm period even though there was seldom any polar ice”.

    The polar bears survived. Greenland didn’t melt.”

    Source(s): Dahl-Jensen, Niels Bohr Inst, http://www.nbi.ku.dk/english/news/news13/greenland-ice-cores-reveal-

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      Graeme No.3

      Polar bears may have evolved sooner than that, at east 280,000 years ago. They may have evolved several times as there is little difference between them and the grizzly bear – in fact they can still interbreed.

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      Forrest Gardener

      Why don’t the so called Scientists understand proper data and evidence?

      Finally a question I can answer. Because their livelihoods depend on them not understanding.

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    Honk R Smith

    There may be a conflict with being concerned about saving human lives and concern for saving the planet when you think humans are the fundamental threat to the planet.

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    Lawrie

    It is just crazy and ignores reality. If heat is dangerous why do we go North during the winter (NH folk head South). It is so much easier to dress for summer, shorts and Tee shirt. No need to cut wood for the cold nights. We can survive a hot day without A/C because for most of the world’s population, and ours up until recently, it just did not exist. We cannot survive cold days and nights without additional heat, fires or multi layers of clothing. The climate clowns must assume the population is as stupid as they are and I suspect in many cases they are correct.

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    David Maddison

    This was written in 2020 about catastrophic predictions made 50 years earlier in 1970.

    Needless to say, none came true.

    https://www.cfact.org/2020/03/13/greta-preaches-many-of-the-first-earth-days-failed-predictions/

    History seems to repeat itself as there will be a disproportionately influential group of doomsters predicting that the future–and the present–never looked so bleak. I guess we’ll need to critique the 2020 doomsday predictions in the year 2050 and see if they were any better than those from the first Earth Day 50 years ago.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

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      Lawrie

      How many of these doomsters who were so enthusiastically reported are still with us and how many have been held to account? BTW I am writing from a time when I was not able to fill the car this morning and there was virtually nothing to buy at Coles. I saw many starving people, some of whom probably weighed less than 100 kg. there were so many abandoned cars it was hard to find a park. Those guys like Erlich really knew their stuff. Did they keep their jobs?

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    Neville

    Our current Quaternary period has the lowest average co2 levels in the last 600 million years. See co2 Coalition quote and the link and note the column graph.

    https://co2coalition.org/facts/our-current-geologic-period-quaternary-has-the-lowest-average-co2-levels-in-the-last-600-million-years/
    “Contrary to the oft-repeated mantra that today’s CO2 concentration is unprecedentedly high, our current geologic period, the Quaternary, has seen the lowest average levels of carbon dioxide since the Precambrian. Though CO2 concentrations briefly peaked 320,000 years ago at 300 ppm, the average for the past 800,000 years was 230 ppm (Luthi 2008). The average CO2 concentration in the preceding 600 million years was more than 2,600 ppm, nearly seven times our current amount and 2.5 times the worst case predicted by the IPCC for 2100. Our current geologic period (Quaternary) has the lowest average CO2 concentration in more than 600 million years”.

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      David Maddison

      We were well on the way to a mass extinction event if CO2 dropped much lower.

      Climate catastrophists don’t understand that. Frankly, I don’t even think they understand the carbon cycle.

      It’s good that it started to naturally increase and I hope it goes much higher, perhaps 800-1000ppm would be a conservative figure.

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    Neville

    More co2 in the atmosphere means more plant food and obviously helps to feed more people around the world.
    Check out the latest data.

    https://co2coalition.org/facts/more-co2-helps-to-feed-more-people-worldwide-2/

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    Neville

    Modern warming started over 300 years ago when co2 levels were about 280 ppm.

    https://co2coalition.org/facts/naturally-driven-warming-began-more-than-300-years-ago/

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    Neville

    AGAIN some glacier retreat has been measured since 1800 and after the start of moderm warming.
    AGAIN co2 levels were about 280 ppm at that time.

    https://co2coalition.org/facts/melting-glaciers-confirm-modern-warming-predated-increases-of-co2/

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      Honk R Smith

      We already have Weatherexia.
      We look in the mirror and see nothing but carbon.
      We are already doing ourselves in with the neurotic attempt to achieve ideal weather.
      Weatherexia and Anorexia are maladies of the affluent.
      Maybe there’s an up side.
      Net Zero will end affluence.
      Saving us in the end.

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    The hot air over the central and eastern parts of England has moved there from North Africa. Nothing really unusual and certainly nothing to do with “Climate Change’. Just more Alarmism.

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    R.B.

    This is an interesting article found by Tony Heller

    https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Image-2022-07-16-17-15-46-down-3.png

    Mine workers would work in 126°F heat, and 10-15 minutes at a time in 170°F – or 76°C in new money – in one shaft. Work! And real work, not being an office monkey!

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    R.B.

    Sorry, meant to be #8.2

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    Neville

    AGAIN modern warming started over 300 years ago and led to SLR about 160 years ago. Check the data.
    And Prof Humlum still finds SLs rising at about 1.5 mm a year through his work for the GWPF.
    That 1.5 mm /year is about 6 inches per century and certainly no higher rate since 1900.

    https://co2coalition.org/facts/rising-sea-levels-confirm-modern-warming-predated-increases-of-co2/

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    el+gordo

    Spain has been hot and some elderly people died.

    ‘According to Spain’s Carlos III Institute, which records temperature-related fatalities daily, 237 deaths were attributed to high temperatures from July 10-14. That was compared with 25 temperature-related deaths the previous five days.’ (CBS)

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    TdeF

    They can all stay home and safe in the UK and watch 170 riders going as fast as they can on the Tour de France with tens of thousands of cheering spectators in the strong sun and battling to win in the 40C heat in Southern France, closer to the equator. What is wrong? Why doesn’t Europe have Red Alert Emergencies in hotter weather than in the UK. It makes no sense. And the alarmism gets worse.

    “UK weather: Britons should ‘enjoy the sunshine’, says Dominic Raab, despite fears over 40C heat

    Deputy Prime Minister’s comments spark anger from skin cancer charities, which describe them as ‘wholly irresponsible’”

    Now the skin cancer people are up in arms at the very idea people could go outside or to the beach on a hot day? Skin cancer has nothing to do with air temperature and without a hole in the ozone layer in the Northern Hemisphere at 51 degrees North, it is all part of the Climate Change Crap. Extreme Emergency? Not in France, Italy, Spain, Greece or any part of Africa.

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      yarpos

      You really think the the way of living , building construction and what people are acclimatized in Southern Europe is similar to the UK? its wonder they have a tourist industry

      Give the Poms a break. When it gets hot on their grey little island it is a big event.

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        Sambar

        Had some relatives out from the Old Dart in February 2004. They had left average daily temp between 2 and 6 degrees Celsius to arrive at local daily highs in the 40’s with one day during a hot week at 44c. Both were in their early 80’s and just couldn’t soak up enough of the heat, sitting out in the blazing sun with just hat and sunscreen willing to lend a hand at the daily activities and thriving. Only perculiar problem was every time I tried to give my uncle a beer he would say ” have you got one that hasn’t been in the fridge, I can’t understand you Aussies drinking icy cold beer” ! The aunt on the other hand just loved a shaved ice gin and tonic, snapping,crackling and knocked back quicker that the Queen Mum. They did not look forward to going home to “miserably cold Old Blighty”

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        TdeF

        Yes, but my point is not that they are very sensitive to heat but the anti Cancer ‘charities’ joins the affray. That has nothing to do with building construction or tourism or even that hot weather is unusual.

        “Skin cancer charities” are warning that at 40C the risk of cancer is very much higher than normal or even 39C. It isn’t. More a political attack on the Deputy Prime Minister of the Conservative party by the Global Warming alarmists. On a par with ‘some scientists say’ the world is ending unless you build windmills. This has nothing to do with the weather, any more than the Red Extreme World Ending alert that in some places the temperature has a 50% chance of being slightly higher than other places.

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    Maptram

    I read in the news report of the heat wave that people were warned not to travel on trains because the railway lines could buckle in the heat. My thinking when I read it was that, if the risk of railway lines buckling was so great, it would be better to stop the trains from running.

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      Sambar

      As a young man I worked on the north south railway line between Adelaide and Alice Springs and bent rails were a very common sight. Quickly replaced completley by hand in blistering heat. Touch anything metal with bare skin and severe burns would result. Even wooden handled tools had to be picked up wearing gloves. The standard expansion gap on the old Ghan line was one spring washer placed between rails, from memory this was about 3/8 but may have been 1/4 inch thick. During the day these gaps quickly reduced to nothing, then at night the freezing temps pulled the rails in the opposite direction, endless work if you were a fettler back in the day. Nowadays I thought the metallurgists had somehow solved these expansion contraction problems and continuous welded rails being the new normal.

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        David Maddison

        Continuously welded rails are heated and installed at the expected maximum temperature to be experienced. At colder temperatures they in tension. At higher temperatures than the so-called neutral temperature, they will expand and can still buckle.

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        Dennis

        Try to imagine unloading 44 gallon steel drums of fuel by hand off a truck tray in Central Australia

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          Seat belts used to be deadly. As a kid in Perth we knew not to touch the metal .

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          Tim

          Unloading 44 gallon drums off a truck is easy. You push them off so that they land on the rim and roll over. Ive done it 1000 + times or maybe that is 10000 + times. 36 to a truck load. That is how much of the outback was powered in days before fork lifts and smaller tanks and tankers. Sometimes on hard ground a tyre was used to cushon the fall

          I take my hat off to the fetlors that did the railway lines. They always seemed to know just how much of a bow to put into a railway line so that it would be straight in the winter when the temp was 0 degrees and yet the trains could travel along it safely on a day when the temp was 40+. Much of their work was done before most even thought of getting out of bed, then they would sit under a small bit of canvas in the middle of the day when it was to hot to work. Then some would refer to them a bludgers, but not in my presence. The ignorant have always been with us.

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    yarpos

    While its true that cold is generally more lethal than heat, its a bit misleading to even vaguely compare living with those temps in the UK/EU and living with them here in OZ. The design of buildings, the prevalence of AC and ceiling fans, access to open spaces etc make living with 40ish temps in Oz just an inconvenient summer routine rather than a crisis. I spent a truly miserable summer in Europe in the early 2000s and it was “only” high 30s, it felt much worse than similar weather back here.

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      True to some extent Yarpos, but Australians didn’t have any air conditioning in the 1930s or the 1890s. Even in the 1980s I would think most Australians had ceiling fans in bedrooms — air conditioners were arriving but starting in living areas and spreading.

      In the 1920s those poor sods in Tom Price survived 160 days… but I expect there were not too many nursing homes there.

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        I agree. All those old photographs that show Sydney all those years ago now being shown on the building sites of the new Sydney Metro Developments. Not one person is carrying a water bottle and they are all dressed up to the ‘nines’ and fully dressed in all that weather. They were such tough people. People these days seem to be such snowflakes that melt when the first word of “Climate Change’ is spoken.

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        yarpos

        yes AC is a late arrival and even later in Europe and in some case impractical to retrofit. The thing that weighs heavily in Europe is heat retention and lack of airflow (and as late as 2005, lack of flyscreens)

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      Chris

      Actually we slept out on the back lawn, and left all the doors open to let the house cool down and to let the dog come and go as he pleased. Some people also dragged their TV out side with their bunny ears antenna.

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        Graeme No.3

        Very common in Adelaide in the 50’s and 60’s. People even sleeping on the lawn in their front yard.

        I recall what a Spanish (actually Argentinian) told me about siesta. The house was shut up early and people went out to work until the sun got too hot, so they went home for food, drink and snoozing. About 4 or 5p.m. when the temperature started to drop, they would go out to work until around 9 p.m. when they went home, open up the house (to cool), change to better clothes and walk around greeting people (and perhaps have a little liquid refreshment) then go home about 12 p.m. eat and sleep in a cool house. He hated it, because he was going part-time to the University during siesta.

        It does require a big change in temperature between daytime and night. In places with a small change houses gradually get hotter & hotter. Then everyone (who can afford it) goes to the seaside.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    NetZero has become a cult with the usual attributes: It can’t be questioned, compliance to the dogma, demonising the non-compliers and absence of critical thinking. Its goals are illogical and unattainable. Its proponents have a mental disorder.

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    Ross

    We don’t need to hang it on the Poms and be all smug – our own Bureau of Met, issue all the same crazy warnings whenever we in Australia have any heatwaves.

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      Ross

      Plus, who gets sick to death of all the Bushfire warnings in Summer? You’re driving around listening to the radio and get a bushfire warning with all the sirens etc, but then find out the fire is not even in your area. All the radio and TV just use all these warnings for ratings. It’s like COVID stats.

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        Ross

        Sorry, I’m on a rant. Then you get the state government ads warning us about bushfire danger, which is just a PR tool to make them look like they are all caring etc. Every year there’s a new theme which the taxpayer has probably forked out millions of dollars to some ad agency to make some ad with actors. End or rant.

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        Dennis

        Do they have emergency buttons for whatever climate emergency the news is promoting so that the news weather person does not get confused?

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    TdeF

    It’s a milestone for world ending Global Warming. Some parts of the UK (not Glasgow) have a 50% chance of recording a temperature with 4 as the leading digit and not 4C. End of Days. And so much hotter than 39C which is perfectly acceptable if unbearably hot for some. Really? Like all of man made Global Warming, that’s just the difference from one side of the room to the other and of course these temperatures are measured in the zero wind shade, not next to the water at the beach which is apparently a threat to life and limb.

    Only thousands of windmills will save them from this 1C. It is amazing that while animals and plants would not know the difference between 39C and 40C, a whole country is on a higher alert than during the Blitz.

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    Stanley

    The morning announcer on Perth ABC radio had to tell us that the 40C forecast temperature maximum in the UK was sure proof of climate change (or words to that effect). One flick and she was gone!

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      Was her Family Name ‘Flannery’ by any chance?

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      David Maddison

      I heard a French firefighter blaming “climate change” for forest fires in France.

      Not climate change. Consider fires in nearby Spain.

      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223608738_A_comparison_of_the_medieval_and_the_current_fire_regimes_in_managed_pine_forest_of_Catalonia_NE_Spain

      We found that fire suppression in the Middle Ages was associated with forest exploitation. Although we cannot compare the two data sets accurately, there is not evidence of differences in fire frequency between the medieval and the current periods. Differences in fire magnitude distributions of both series of records may be explained by the different purposes and technical resources involved in the fire suppression practices.

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        TdeF

        Forest fires are not caused by heat. Or humidity. Or lightning. Or even mankind. Forest fires are caused by trees.

        Especially fast growing opportunistic pyrophytic trees full of explosive hydrocarbon liquids like ‘gum’ trees or possibly worse ‘pine’ trees full of turpentine. And they are designed to spread the fire, forming fire cannons from hollowed out trunks.

        These deadly trees, often Australian in origin are very popular in arid lands like Australia, California, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Israel and Jordan and equally dangerous pine forests across great swathes of forest in Siberia for thousands of miles. Not so your sedate very green English trees so hated by anti British Australian Greens.

        So we have to get rid of the trees to save the planet. That’s the Green thing to do. And lower CO2 because trees are spreading into the frozen tundra and swallowing up deserts. What the Greens fail to realise is that trees are the problem not temperature or democracy.

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          TdeF

          It’s the last verse of Said Hanrahan

          “There’ll be bush-fires for sure, me man,
          There will, without a doubt;
          We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan,
          “Before the year is out.”

          And those people left alive on the killing sands of Blackpool will have to face the bushfires next. All caused by fossil fuels and Climate Extinction.

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      el+gordo

      Reinforcement for the deluded masses.

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    TdeF

    And you have to feel sorry for the Scots. Glasgow is most days 18C to 19C tops. And they are expecting one or two days of 26C and 27C. Oh, the humanity. I can see every Scotsman and lassie with a tan. That’s where all the freckles join up, I suppose. And when a kilt seems even slightly sensible. It gives new meaning to sun baking.

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      TdeF

      As Billy Connolly says, there are only two seasons in Scotland. August and winter. So I hope they enjoy that extra 1C this summer and try not to drink too much as excess hydration is a real health risk in Scotland. And surfing is not as popular as in Australia. Nor in England, the land before cold beer.

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    Philip

    Relax. I read the ABC this morning, that energy poverty can easily be rectified, with specific advice given by two specialists.

    Amongst suggestions were lifestyle choices like putting on an extra jumper and only heating part of the house; Use electric air con, not a portable heater, and not gas, and one I really love, clean the filter on the unit to make it run efficiently; turn off that extra freezer; make your hot water system come on when electricity is cheap (because of coal power); Use solar of course, though even the expert admitted “smart systems” are too expensive for most people and not worth it, and it must be bad if they’re saying it. There was no mention of when to power the EV (the elephant in the room)

    I love how it takes an expert to work this simplistic stuff out. But given I am an electricity miser of recent years I too claim this “specialist” tag. I have tried it all. I have lived for 12 moths without a hot water system before, I have lived in low energy small housing and cold ice boxes, I have lived nocturnally in winters.

    I can say that beyond the obvious of cutting major power suckers like not using a dryer and air con, and going to bed at normal hours in winter, all the other stuff makes very little difference. There is only so little power you can use, and running around turning the hot water off until after 10pm is a waste of time, waiting until after peak hour to cook makes little difference. Basically if you live in a cold or hot house, it is going to use energy, there is little you can do.

    These columns they write with this petty advice are insulting, suggesting you’re the problem not the idiots in charge. The problem the expert’s advice has, is even if you already do this, you’re still in for high energy costs because energy is high cost.

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      The Guardian had an article yesterday answering the question– How much will it cost to run an electric fan. (2p an hour)

      It’s sad in so many ways. Sad that most people have no idea how much electricity items use, or what it costs, and sad that they now need to care about the cost of running a fan ferrgoodnesssake.

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        TdeF

        Electricity moving air is just as effective as air producing electricity. A lot of spinning. Very little electricity.

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        TdeF

        Electricity moving air is just as effective as air producing electricity. A lot of spinning. Very little electricity.

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    el+gordo

    What’s causing this heat?

    ‘A low to the west of the Iberian Peninsula has been combining with a high over central and eastern Europe to funnel hot southerly winds from northern Africa across Portugal and Spain, France and the UK. Indeed parts of Spain, including Seville, have exceeded 45°C in the past few days.

    ‘There’s also a slow moving upper level ridge over Spain, France and the UK, which is also contributing to the heat.’ (Weatherzone)

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      TdeF

      It’s nothing special outside the UK which is an island nation buffered by oceans on all sides. Never as hot or cold as Moscow.

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        TdeF

        But typically it is only the Brits complaining. Their rail systems fail in the heat and the cold. As the country which created railways they are the least competent at building weather proof railway lines.

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        TdeF

        But typically it is only the Brits complaining. Their rail systems fail in the heat and the cold. As the country which created railways they are the least competent at building weather proof railway lines.

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          LOL. And I agree having been born English and having lived there right up until 1976.

          We were back in the UK in the Winter of 1990/1991 and the Railways were in big trouble that winter. Apparently, the wrong type of snow at less than 1cm deep fell on the railway lines and caused chaos. So much for electric trains.

          However, steam trains in 1947, which was a very bad Winter, and, in 1962/1963 which was also a very bad Winter managed to use snow ploughs to get through 6 foot snow drifts.

          People just need to toughen up and get on with it.

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            Ronin

            The Poms need to go to Canada to see how to deal with snow, and how do those huge ore trains in the Pilbara get on with the heat.

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              TdeF

              And the railways in Russia, on frozen soil through Siberia in -50 and metres of snow and in Moscow in Summer in +37 even at 60 North. The railways of Russia are a marvel. And the entire Trans Siberian is electrified! That’s the power of nuclear. Oil is for export. In fact in 1900, 95% of all oil came from Russia around the Caspian. And Hitler made a run for it through Africa with Rommel and through Southern Russia with operation Blue in 1942. And both came to nothing in 1943. What the Germans never realised was that the Russian tanks ran on diesel for their extreme winter weather, so when the Germans did capture oil fields North of the Caucasus they could not use the diesel. Bit of a problem then.

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                Bozotheclown

                Not quite as bad but upper Michigan railroad work was my grand-dad’s thing. He used to talk about “98F in the shade” doing rail repairs. In the winter -20F or -30F weren’t uncommon. He survived long into retirement and the trains kept moving hauling mostly iron ore.

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    Dennis

    I have travelled to GB during heatwaves in 1976 and late 1990s, of course the people feel the heat because it is only occasionally experienced.

    The climate hoaxers including their media parrots that spread the misinformation need to be ignored.

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    John Hultquist

    I guess no one has thought to check on their neighbors.
    Maybe the authorities should use the money they spend keeping the climate models running and buy everyone a spray bottle and a couple of litres of water.

    There is no need to run climate models (weather is a different thing) because these have been run 400 gazillion times and nothing new is to be discovered. They are programmed to show a hotter future, that’s what they show, and nothing can or will be done to make them do otherwise.
    Shut them down, sell the hardware, and send the charlatans over to the unemployment line. Or – – –
    Give each of the cult a spray bottle and send them out to do useful work.

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    John Connor II

    Your link below doesn’t work, Jo:

    When the Bureau of Meteorology is issuing it’s first ever Red Extreme Heat Warning it’s like sauna’s just don’t exist:

    Try this:

    https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2022/both-heat-and-cold-increase-risk-death-england-and-wales-rates-vary-across

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    Zane

    Climate Change did not bother Julius Caesar.

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      John Connor II

      He didn’t live long enough.
      After his demise however…

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      el+gordo

      Weather was a problem.

      ‘Because of the weather the Romans had spent only three weeks in Britain—between 26 August and 16 or 17 September. Caesar gave enough detail about the storm of 30 to 31 August 55 BC that weather maps could be produced showing the passage of a depression across northern coastal France on the 30th. (Terence Meaden 1976)

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    John Connor II

    Don’t forget to instill fear and propaganda into the weather reports either:

    https://i0.wp.com/clownuniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/41852120-B6E8-4173-8AB0-05B567213136.webp

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    David Maddison

    As energy starvation is increased in Australia I think DRED, Demand Response Enable Device, will become mandatory for use in Australia. Many appliances such as air conditioners already have the capability.

    It means a signal is sent to your device at times of high electrical demand and the grid operator can either adjust the appliance so that for reverse cycle air conditioning it will be made colder in winter or hotter in summer, or it can be switched off altogether.

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    John Connor II

    I spent 3 years in the UK many many years ago and don’t recall experiencing anything over low 30’s but frozen ponds/lakes were common.
    I’ve never seen a frozen pond or lake here.
    Given the temperature where I am now and this week’s forecast I might have to move back to the land of the poms!
    Bbbbrrr…

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    Philip

    This is climate change.

    Personally I dont argue the science on climate change. I only ask what significance. And this is it. This is the significance. Which is a bit of hot weather. If it is true, that we are seeing climate change right before our eyes, it’s not bad really.

    So take it from me Pommy folk, as colonial ulster blood living in the south Pacific, you’ll get used to it and the hot spells don’t last long.

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    another ian

    O/T but this is not going to help the Net Zero air conditioning –

    ” The price of polysilicon, which is crucial for production of solar panels is up 190% in the last 18 months”

    More at

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2022/07/17/higher-please/

    As the thread heading says “Higher, please:

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    […] Dear UK, from hot Australia, your NetZero policies will kill far more people than a 40C weekday […]

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    Honk R Smith

    Smart guy sums it up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qCHRYMe66g

    Little point in debating Moral Certainists.
    Ceretainism and Scientism are indistinguishable.
    You can say what he is saying in the faces of the Certainists.

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      Honk R Smith

      you can SEE what his saying …

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      TdeF

      “the left think that they are right and not only that, they think they are better people”. Which is pretty obvious from the faces. What he just described happened while he was talking. He was condemned and sentenced for having a view. They are in fact what he used to be. It’s common. You cannot debate the left because they know they are right and partly they know that because they agree with everyone else in the ABC/BBC/CBC.

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    Honk R Smith

    geez … see what HE is saying
    clicking wrong boxes this early AM

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    TdeF

    And now the UK Met office is predicting 43C!! Oh O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!” He chortled in his joy.

    The profiteers of doom could not be happier. There’s your rapid tipping point CO2 driven Global Warming. For a few hours at least and in a few spots. But records will be broken, lances will be broken, shields will be shattered. And windmills will spin in joy. Maybe.

    And the hottest day in England since the Roman occupation will be upon thousands of non believers, heretics and deniers.

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      YWNBAW

      The models have been severely overstating temperatures in Northern France over the last few days

      Hopefully this will be another “Barbeque Summer” moment where the climate parasites end up with an omlette on their faces

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    Phil O'Sophical

    Elsewhere I saw a comment from someone in Penang, saying temperatures had been below normal all week. Only 32degC, but people were still alive.

    And another said these are temperatures a lot of people pay a lot of money to fly south for on holiday.

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    YWNBAW

    Whilst all true
    homes in the UK are insulated for wind rain (sometimes) snow
    This can make even moderate summer temps feel like an oven indoors

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      TdeF

      That also keeps the heat out, but I had problems with people who had not grown up in Australia. They kept opening windows and doors to ‘air’ the place in the heat. You learn that in hot weather the insulation works.

      The technique is to open the houses in the still of night and close them early before the heat and keep them closed. It works. Insulation works both ways. But I guess it’s all new, having to cope with a hot day or two at temperatures most other countries would hardly notice as special.

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        Old Cocky

        Yep, passive systems can work quite well.

        Having indoor and outdoor thermometers helps as well. Open/close the doors and windows once temperatures equalise to maximise the opportunity to exchange heat with the outside air.

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    Hanrahan

    You can not only survive in the tropics but thrive, it a frame of mind.

    If sweat is dripping off your nose, that’s no biggie, dress appropriately and take precautions such as drinking water during the day and before that coldie at 5.

    Our education didn’t suffer because our classrooms weren’t airconditioned.

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    John B

    On temperature watch
    Heathrow

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    Gary Masding

    Don’t know if anyone has already posted it, but it’s quite interesting to compare the BBC’s hype with the real time weather data that you can find here:

    https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/dtg/weather/

    Very good historical records too, although this weather station – on the roof of a concrete building – is hardly what you’d call ideally situated.

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      Greg Charles

      I agree. The BBC loves hype and yes The University of Cambridge weather station is on top of a concrete building.
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      Though that is not the only problem with their “weather station”. What worries me is this statement on their website:

      Quote:
      “There is a known issue with the sunlight and rain sensors sometimes over-reporting readings. We are investigating how best to fix this and we should be able to correct archived records once the problem is resolved.”
      End quote.

      Correct me if I am wrong.

      It seems The University of Cambridge have been publishing incorrect data for some time.
      Their boffins have noted that they will artificially adjust their archival data once the problem is solved.
      Hmmm. This fills me with confidence.

      Each day I find it harder to trust anything I am told by the media, Govt or institutions.

      Thankyou for your post Gary.

      [Bad e-mail] CTS

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    The BBC Weather Forecast (Snipped) is saying it is 34c in Beverley. My manual thermometer and my digital thermometer say it is 27c in the shade. So who has implemented this seven degrees of net zero behavioural science propaganda?

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    MrGrimNasty

    UK maxed out at 38.1C Monday, not a national record, although sometimes manual stations report late so could be revised up. Some lesser records fell, like for Wales.

    Tuesday was always supposed to be hotter, or ‘maximum danger’ as the BBC called it! We shall see.

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    In the UK it is too cold about 80% of the time, and too hot about 2% of the time. So a degree or two of warming makes the weather better about 40× more often than it makes the weather worse.

    https://sealevel.info/baby_quit_your_kvetching1.jpg

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    The two parts of Gasparrini’s Figure 2 (heat-related and cold-related) have very different vertical axes. I’ve re-scaled them onto identical vertical axes, and combined them into one graph, here:

    https://sealevel.info/GasparriniFig2_combine3.png

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