The man the Democrats fear most

It’s history in the making. The leading opposition candidate in the next US election is indicted. Is there any person so pure in the United States who could not be accused and indicted for something if a crooked government really wanted to do so? Even if it was beyond the statute of limitations and previous Federal prosecutors have turned it down.

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Is Donald Trump the main target here, or is it his supporters? Glenn Beck argues they want to provoke violence from the Right.

OR we could always talk about great moments of science from Banana Republics.

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98 comments to The man the Democrats fear most

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    David Maddison

    Any demonstrations in support of Donald Trump will no doubt have Leftist agent provocateurs embedded among them to stir up trouble, perform acts of violence and then disappear, never to be identified or seen again, just like on J6.

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    David Maddison

    Some recent videos about the case:

    1) Paul Joseph Watson https://youtu.be/nR1OPM_deWs (under 11 mins)

    2) Styxhexenhammer https://youtu.be/aBqpaNToAxQ (11 mins)

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    erasmus

    No comment from me due to previous censorship.

    [And I have no clue as to what this is about, we ask people to email us privately rather than consume public threads on important topics with what are usually minor misunderstandings or glitches of the auto mod. All this is going into the pending bin soon. So replies to this will also disappear as will this comment soon. – Jo]

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      Steve of Cornubia

      I don’t have a problem but, for future reference, what’s the appropriate email address jo?

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    Robb

    It must be abundantly clear to everybody that the USA is on its last legs as a democratic society. In fact if you look at all the morons ostensibly in charge of the West, from Trudeau to Macron to Sunak and so on, it is clear that the voters are not in control anymore, democracy is next to dead, the “uniparty” has captured all of the West. It doesnt matter who you vote for, you will get the uniparty, you will get the candidate the globalist elite want you to have. Trump of course, has gone off script – he wasnt supposed to win in 2016, so the “elites” must get rid him, whatever it takes. It is the globalists elite that are now more powerful than the Western nation state. However, they do not control Russia and China, which explains the constant anti Russia & China propaganda, and is real reason why we must wage war with these countries.

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      Dennis

      The subject of new work order with the UN as the base or headquarters has too often been rejected as a conspiracy theory, my research including what started my interest, ABC Radio National 1990s ‘New World Order” series, I obtained a transcript, but as time passes it has become much clearer that this is what the globalist left want to achieve. At his last address before retiring from the Senate Greens Leader Bob Brown described his “dream” for a “world parliament” and ” no international borders”.

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      David Maddison

      It must be abundantly clear to everybody that the USA is on its last legs as a democratic society.

      I am not sure that a voting majority in the US do see that.

      The “dumbing down” of the Sheeple over the last half century or so since the Left began assaulting the education system has been extensive. (Just as in Australia.)

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      Saighdear

      Dunno – just reporting what the Media SHOWS/ tells us …
      Just Sunak? …. haven’t you heard about the Scottish equation? as our neighbour kind of alluded to: that we had a Hindu in Downing St and about to get ( then) a Moslem in Bute Ho. – NOW, and of course the votes: you couldn’t have guessed on a more accurate outcome.
      Just can’t help wondering what on earth our ancestors must be thinking, turning in their graves. Fought for our independence and freedoms, only for it all to be voted away … Brexit AND otherwise.
      And in business I am expected to plan ahead … Electricity prices now apparently reportred as 70p/kWhr – thats the price of a LITRE of Heating oil or Farm diesel this now – which is better value for money to power equipment – thanks to those Plonkers.

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      Graham Richards

      We in Australia have our own “uni party”.

      I’m still tying to figure out where the corpses of the LNP coalition & the the original ALP
      have been buried!!!

      80% of the electorate are to stupid to even ask the question!

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      tonyb

      Robb

      Unfortunately I must agree with you. The decline and loss of prestige has been accelerated by the Americans scuttling from Afghanistan leaving their allies in the lurch and emboldening dictators round the world. We had Pax Britannia then Pax Americana both essentially benign manifestations of western power that established an international order that has generally served the World well. This 3 centuries of Anglo Saxon hegemony appears to be drawing to a close with all that entails as the alternatives are not an attractive proposition.

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        KP

        “We had Pax Britannia then Pax Americana both essentially benign manifestations of western power that established an international order that has generally served the WESTERN World well.

        This 3 centuries of Anglo Saxon hegemony appears to be drawing to a close with all that entails as the alternatives are not an attractive proposition TO THE WEST.

        Meanwhile the majority of the world’s peoples are quite content to watch us destroy ourselves and to get out from under our boot. Even with the endless civil wars in Africa and South America since independence, I don’t see any countries begging to be colonised again.

        We will be remembered as the White Empire that drove technology forward, on the backs of the starving millions we have talked about helping but left them where they were. How much clean water for the poor would America’s military budget buy?

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          Over the last few centuries The west has driven much of the globe to the peak of human civilisation with the longest lived, most healthy and wealthy populations with the most rights and rule of law the world has ever known although a decreasing percentage still llive in poverty

          As history shows, another power will rise to become dominant and exert its influence. Which do you favour? China, Ruusia, Iran?

          As for clean water, no matter how much money you give, some despots will pocket the money and spend it on themselves. Is that the wests fault?

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            aspnaz

            As for clean water, no matter how much money you give, some despots will pocket the money and spend it on themselves. Is that the wests fault?

            Yes, of course it is. The west farms tax payers and their governments should ensure that “some despots” do not steal that money when it is spent as aid: that is if the governments are to keep the farmed tax payers happy. Of course, the farmer government despots will steal the money instead, but at least that drives the home country’s economy and they are our thieves, not some backward African country’s thieves.

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    Ed Zuiderwijk

    Well, at least he has not perjured himself in front of Congress by stating that he had not conducted sexual relations with that woman.

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      Dennis

      That was different, that man was a Socialist Democrat.

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      John

      At least Trump and his family didn’t do backdoor deals with the Chinese and then threaten Ukraine(?) with a withdrawal of funding if it investigated some dodgy dealings his son was doing with people there.

      Trump might be the first EX-president to be indicted but Biden be the first sitting president to be indicted.

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        Forrest Gardener

        Who is going to indict Biden? Maybe a state DOJ in a state which is not corrupt?

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        MaryLS

        You are r8ght. Far more serious crimes have been committed by a number of politicians, but they are ignored. Hillary destroying evidence is another example.

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      mawm

      Paula Jones has entered the room.

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    A happy little debunker

    Democrats want Trump to be the GOP Presidential candidate … not just because they think they can ‘fortify’ (cheat) the election against him, but because they think this will crush the MAGA extremists.

    Unfortunately for them Trump did not create the anti-uniparty malcontents, rather he was the natural evolution to the anti-uniparty malcontents.

    Democrats are courting the whirlwind.

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      Forrest Gardener

      Mind reading is always tricky. I have no idea what the democrats want. And I am not convinced that the democrats know what the democrats want.

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        Orson

        NO. WE know what the US Democrats want. They say so. Proudly and repeatedly.

        Their model is the one-party state of Kalifornia — but over the whole USA.. And to achieve that they need to create more states without any viable middle class to counter their Socialism. Urban historian and policy analyst (from the Left, but honest and lucid), argues that the death of traditional and independent middle class amounts to neo-feudalism (see “The Coming Age of Neo-Feudalism,” 2020). The dependent poor and the rich will decide all, squeezing out the bourgeoisie, the industrial era’s descendants of the older English yeoman and middling sort. Those small businessmen and tradesmen, all gone.

        And thus, US Democrats will all nicely fit in with WEF’s Scwab’s globalist design,p: “you will own noting and be happy.”

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      mawm

      I don’t think the Democrats, or for that matter the “uni party”, decide who’ll be selected as President. The “deep state”/ industrial-military-intelligence complex decide and the politicians are there just to accept their bribes and mouth the words they are told to. Cynical? Of course it is.

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    David Maddison

    Bragg has a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome and should seek help.

    Meanwhile, like all woke Leftists, Bragg is soft on crime and criminals are free to walk the streets of New York City to terrorise people.

    A huge out-of-control crime problem but he remains obsessed with bringing down Trump, and the United States with him.

    The US without Trump (or any other non-Rino Republican) as the next President is too unbearable to think about. It will be Harris, Michelle Obama, Buttigieg or even Biden as President.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11475383/Manhattan-DA-Alvin-Bragg-downgraded-half-felony-cases-misdemeanors.html

    REVEALED: Woke Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg has downgraded over HALF of felony cases to misdemeanors as criminals are free to roam streets of the Big Apple

    By Andrea Cavallier For Dailymail.Com
    00:18 28 Nov 2022

    Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg downgraded 52 percent of felony cases to misdemeanors, compared to 39 percent in all of 2019, according to new data

    Bragg wins a conviction 51 percent of the time, down from 68 percent in 2019

    Between 2013 and 2020, the percentage of cases downgraded by District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. never exceeded 40 percent

    SEE LINK FOR REST

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    Dennis

    Off Topic, this is very important information we all need to consider when assessing the Federal and State government’s support of voice to parliament including Federal proposal to write this into the Constitution;

    “The IPA research fellow pointed to New Zealand’s Waitangi Tribunal as an example of what the Voice to Parliament would look like if the referendum is successful.

    “It all started in New Zealand with an advisory body. In the 70s the Waitangi Tribunal was set up as an advisory body, 12 years later the highest court said the government has got to treat it’s advice as binding,” Mr Storey said.

    “And then we got Māoris never ceded sovereignty, then we got Māoris have a veto over certain legislation, then Māoris get priority to the covid treatments.

    “They call it co-governance, it’s another word for two nations in one,””

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      KP

      Yes! I’ve been pushing this at Aussies ever since we moved here, but all I get is “It won’t happen here mate, our Abos are not like the Maoris.. ”

      It WILL happen here, and the people taking over will be behind the scenes and as white as you and me, there are billions of dollars in this!

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    mondopinion

    Beck is right, I think. But violence is not the best way. Taking a sick day every Monday would not get people hit by batons, tear gassed or arrested . . just Long-Covid Monday syndrome. Very catching..

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      mawm

      Become ungovernable. Bypass the State at every turn. Buy from suppliers direct, barter, refuse to wear the mask, don’t take the jab, use cash, etc.

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    Sean

    Donald Trump is the Democrats favorite useful idiot.

    Given his history over the last two years, he is unelectable in a general election but has a strong base in the Republican party. The 2022 mid-term election showed that a Trump endorsement can help a candidate win a nomination but not the general election. The Democrats know this and providing funding to give name recognition to many Trump endorsed candidates. It happened in the Maryland governor’s election where I live and it worked in at least 2 or 3 Senate races around the country. The fact that the Democrats sought an indictment first where the case is probably weakest is testament to this. This is really political theater.

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      GreatAuntJanet

      I’m not so impressed by statistics, especially when there are so many variables, but I am interested in your take on what has and will happen.

      Do you approve of the democrats political theatre? Will you be OK if republicans do it to democrat pollies too? Do you think this piece of theatre will aid Trump’s nomination?

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        Sean

        I absolutely do not approve the political theater. It’s truly ironic that this occurred during the Hilary Clinton – Donald Trump race when there were substantial rumors that Hilary was in charge of taking care of Bill’s “Bimbo Eruptions”. Trump’s being prosecuted even though Hillary was running legal interference for Bill’s dalliances in the 1980’s and 1990’s.

        I still maintain this is political theater. Remember, the HRC campaign avoided pushing too hard on Trump during the Republican primaries because she thought he’d be the easiest to beat. The Democrats think Trump is less electable in 2024 than he was in 2016. They love to keep his name in the news but they don’t really want him off out of the race.

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    John

    Rewarding someone for doing something that you want them to do is nothing new.

    Governments do it all the time to other parties when they need the support of those others to get legislation passed.

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    Climate Heretic

    President Trump has denied ever being involved with Story Daniels and has evidence from Stormy Daniels and his former lawyer Cohen refuting these accusations.

    Even so, if it was true the statue of limitations has passed for misdemeanor and felony charges. Now that DJT is going to be indictment Ron De Santis will soon announce he is going to run for president.

    This means overall the establishment wants DJT to be hobbled. In addition there are other possible cases being investigated pending against DJT to ensure that no stone is left unturned to stop DJT, ever becoming president again.

    DJT said, “In reality, they’re not after me they’re after you I’m just in the way.”

    Regards
    Climate Heretic

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      aspnaz

      DeSantis is controlled opposition, just look at his backers, the majority of his money comes from the Koch brothers via the usual cover organisation, the Kochs are RINO funders.

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      Orson

      TRUE Enough, but there are two more assaults in Trump coming. First in Georgia, the second at the Federal level concerning documents.

      The above is merely the first round of medacious lawlessness.

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    Simon

    Campaign fraud is probably the least serious charge that Donald Trump could be indicted for. There will be more to come. No-one is above the law.

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      Honk R Smith

      “No one is above the law”.

      Except for immigrants illegally living in US sanctuary cites.
      And agent provocateurs.
      And some former friends of Jeffery Epstein.
      (I can’t name them, because they are being held above the law.)

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      David Maddison

      Why don’t you say the same thing about Comrade Biden and has family?

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      Graeme No.3

      Simon,
      unless they are Democrats.

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      No one is above the law you say which is amazing hypocrisy as democrats are constantly below the law, over the law, or ignore the law altogether.

      Hillary’s classified material in her personal home computer which Comey himself said was illegal nothing happens to her anyway because she is above the law.

      Really are you that ignorant of the FACT that the DA is pursuing this for pure political reasons legal reasons were never viable as his previous DA didn’t pursue it neither did the DOJ or FTC pursue it because there is no laws broken.

      How come you still can’t see the obvious chronic political persecution of Trump unseen in America history?

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        Hanrahan

        Trump is the most lied about man in history. The crazy left say, in full earnestness that he is proven to have lied 30,000 times while in office. I’ve already done the math, that’s 20 times a day every day.

        Compared to that record what is the occasional Corn Pop from Biden? Not worth mentioning.

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      Ask Brandon and his son what they feel about their position in relation to the law…..

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      yarpos

      mmmm yes Simon its all about the Donald , lets look over there

      Hunter Biden’s laptop is confirmed real
      Hunter Biden’s non indictment on firearms offences is real
      Ashley Biden’s Diary is confirmed real
      Pelosi’s insider trading is real
      Milley and Austin’s impeachable action (or lack of) in Afghanistan is real
      Fauci
      More American people dying of Fentanyl than in WW2 is real

      but yeah, there is sooooo much to go after Trump for

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      Hanrahan

      Actually Trump is below the law, he is never given the presumption of innocence,

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      Hanrahan

      Simon, you are an honest, earnest man, why is your avatar a rear end view of a burlesque dancer?

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      GreatAuntJanet

      “The walls are closing in”! Nothing else seems to have eventuated so far – what has convinced you that this weak case will help, and what amazingly evil crimes has he committed (that nobody seems to know about) that he ‘could be indicted for’?

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    Honk R Smith

    My reaction is a somewhat unexpected sense of relief, probably from the clarity that results from the lines being drawn clearly.

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    Neville

    I don’t know where this will end, but I’m still doubtful Trump is the answer for 2024.
    But he certainly shouldn’t be indicted for a bit of hanky panky between consenting adults and anyway this should be between him and his wife.
    Trump claims he didn’t have any sexual intimacy with Daniels, but I’m sure the vile DEMs will think they can gain some political advantage and an ongoing media circus during the next few months.
    I still think DeSantis is the best choice if he decides to stand for President and Trump should announce he’s not standing ASAP.
    But I wonder how many US Presidents didn’t have some personal indiscretions over the last couple of hundred years.
    JFK and Clinton are two that are well known and some very famous earlier examples owned slaves and some of these young women bore them children.

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      Hanrahan

      Be clear about one thing, DeSantis will not be immune from this constant lawfare. Does he have the ticker? We know Trump has.

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      Kalm Keith

      Trump shewed his mettle when during his first term as President he successfully brought back jobs and industry to the U.S. from that other place.
      Many Americans found work for the first time and appreciated Trump.

      Mr T seemed able to put the basic interests of his people before the needs of the swamp, Left and Right, that surrounded him.

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      Dave in the States

      Trump has widened his lead over DeSantis over the last few weeks. Trump is like 57% among likely voters. It’s Uuge. DeSantis is fading not gaining.

      Since the indictment, people are rallying behind Trump moreso, and in the first 24 hours since the indictment donations over 5 million had poured in. It’s a problem for the Democrats and the Swamp because Trump’s popularity is such that the election fraud will be hard to over look next time around. That’s why there is this rediculous prosecution. It’s lawfare pure and simple.

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    John Galt III

    The Democrats always say, “No one is above the law.”

    The the following people are total criminals with not even an arrest or a court appearance:

    Hillary Clinton
    Hunter Biden
    Joe Biden
    Jim Biden
    The entire 7th floor of the FBI during the Trump administration
    The dozens of federal agents and local police who set up the January 6th “insurrection”
    The Democrats control the schools, the colleges, the press, network TV and all of cable except Fox News, Hollywood, Music, Publishers except a few small ones, all Washington DC bureaucracies, many local DA’s and mayors and so forth so nothing gets investigated. The FBI is Biden’s Gestapo and BLM and Antifa are the new Sturm Abteiling. Any rioting in Washington DC done by the Left is allowed as is any rioting in Blue States and especially Blue cities.

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    Sounds like a ‘trumped up’ charge to me.

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    BJ

    “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”

    Lavrentiy Beria, Stalin’s Chief of the Secret Police

    Beria presumed a man guilty, and later filled in the blanks. It sounds kinda familiar; but I guess that’s where we are today.

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      “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime,”
      was the technique used in Show Trials to rid tyrants of
      opposition and instil fear or hatred in the populace. It
      is the Globalists'( rule from afar-UN style) Corrupt Reset.

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    Honk R Smith

    “The man the Democrats fear most”

    Don’t the Democrats just fear men … like in general?

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      Forrest Gardener

      Fear is a great motivator. So is courage. Sadly there is a surplus of the former and a shortage of the latter.

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    Curious George

    The problem is that Democrats are disregarding the American legal system. It is built on the idea of a “due process”, rules what is an examination, what is a cross-examination, when is it allowed, and so on. Pelosi’s January 6 Commission totally ignored the due process, just like the earlier farce about Trump impeachment, also ably directed by Nancy Pelosi. They used methods that would not be admissible in a small claims court.

    With the US Congress behaving this way, the US is indeed a banana republic.

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    Simon Thompson ᵐᵇ ᵇˢ

    Well they fired both “Big Guns” (released covid and rigged ballots) to unseat Trump. Now they want to carry on about some hush money? Whilst there is a 4 year old girl whose Mother is a stripper, her Father a crackhead, and her paternal Grandfather is Joe Biden! America is no longer “Rule of Law”- it is an oligarchy no different to Russia today.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    Political miscalculations are not unheard of in American Politics.

    If one is a contrarian, and ignores the commentary from both sides:

    The “Left” never does anything by accident. So, a majority of the central committee allowed this to proceed. There may well be a split, however,
    as crossing a Rubicon is usually a one-way trip.

    The “Soros-sponsored” prosecutors, a club of 20-40 or so, have been a useful tool in disrupting civil life, a feature of the Soros treatment of
    geopolitics for many years. There is a new top dog in this club. Climbing the ladder in this club now would seem to require inditing political opponents,
    in as high a profile a manner as possible……everybody releases shoplifters and muggers but only one guy is getting headlines (and probable independent status
    in his own jurisdiction, something every bootlicker craves).

    It is clear why the left would want Trump to be the shiny object; it excites the base, it diverts attention from the current group’s performance, it (according to the catechism) splits off a considerable part of the right (the never Trumpers). It is not clear that they can focus on him, without the public hearing the basic MAGA spiel. While it is gospel on the left that Trump the person lost the 2020 election, it also seems true that the virtues of the simple MAGA principles defeated the left. Many of the right can preach
    …close the border, save our kids from drugs, fix our energy problems and our economy by marking our energy to the world, free our farmers to feed the world, and respest the views of parents in schools. Who will speak for the left and what will they say….Pointing at the man doesn’t answer the policy question.

    Suppose Trump is not the nominee, can you run against him by labeling a party the Trump party, even if the candidate has beaten him in a primary?

    The left also has a concern in making an election a referendum on a person (and not policy) as it invites comparison with the other person. Unlike OZ, we still make binary choices.

    There is a huge difference between the system being abused, and it being abused in a new way. This seems to be new ground. The public may not buy that; lots of candidates have
    suffered similar negative events and disclosures, just without inditements, Johns Edwards and Gary Hart on the left to name two, and of course Spiro Agnew on the right.
    Once you spent a couple of years freeing folks and flouting the law, the supposed gravitas of a “prosecutor” is trash anyhow.

    Will this move the needle for anyone, on either side, to speak or act differently? Or after Russia Russia Russia and tow impeachments, are there no persuadables left….

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      Kevin T Kilty

      it diverts attention from the current group’s performance,

      The diversion isn’t needed. The Democrat base have no idea what the current group’s performance is. The media hide Biden’s mental and physical frailty and his, and his family’s, long history of corruption and falsehoods. I read recently of a conversation where the old duffer, a Biden supporter, simply grinned about how folksy and down-home Biden is. Knew nothing of the laptop, falling down stairs, mis-statements, classified documents, payments from China now substantiated by SARs from Treasury, which Treasury worked to hide, by the way.

      I was speaking with a retired acquaintance a few days ago, a retired teacher, who told me that she “loved what Biden has done for our country”. That she couldn’t name anything more concrete than “he has raised our standing in the world”, is bad enough, but when I complained about Biden/Democrat covid policies, and told her that we’d never done anything so foolish in previous pandemics, she looked at me in a puzzled way and said,”we’ve had pandemics before?”

      This is what our Republic is up against.

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    Hanrahan

    Glenn Beck is right, this is incitement to riot. The commentators are all advising conservatives NOT to partake in ANY demonstration, even standing alone with a flag.

    That said, could this be the time to hold up a blank A4? I thought that was very symbolic of the times: Unable to speak.

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      GreatAuntJanet

      Oh, well done – what a great idea!

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        And this is what the fake insurrection achieved (as well as hiding the Senate debate on election results).

        J6 effectively ruled out public protest en masse — unless you are on the same team as the Deep State. One side can burn down buildings and be called heroes, but the other side can’t afford to protest at all in groups lest infiltrators fake up and incite violence.

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    Pelosi Declared Trump Guilty & It is His Burden to Prove He is Innocent

    “For Pelosi to even say that it is Trump’s burden to now prove he is innocent is just an example of how the United States is crumbling into dust. Everything generations have fought and died for to protect American freedom is right there in her words fiction. The Constitution is supposed to be Innocent until Proven Guilty, and the standard of proof is BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

    This incident of Donald Trump illustrates how corrupt the grand jury system truly is and courts refuse to allow the public access to even how indictments are obtained. A prosecutor ONLY presents his facts that are cherry-picked. He has NO OBLIGATION to present any contrary evidence. The Supreme Court has held that it is not the role of the Grand Jury, but the jury at trial. I fully disagree with that ruling for the prosecutors routinely LIE to get indictments because they remain sealed and we NEVER get to see their lies. They can say anything they want and destroy a person’s life and then have ABSOLUTE immunity to do so.

    Lawyers for decades have said a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich because the system is outright corrupt beyond compare. That phrase was first coined by a New York State Judge named Sol Wachtler (born 1930). Wachtler was the former chief judge of New York state who coined that term in a January 1985 interview with the New York Daily News‘ Marcia Kramer and Frank Lombardi. The relevant portion:

    “In a bid to make prosecutors more accountable for their actions, Chief Judge Sol Wachtler has proposed that the state scrap the grand jury system of bringing criminal indictments.

    Wachtler, who became the state’s top judge earlier this month, said district attorneys now have so much influence on grand juries that “by and large” they could get them to “indict a ham sandwich.”

    A month later, the New York Times noted that Wachtler believed grand juries “operate more often as the prosecutor’s pawn than the citizen’s shield.” This belief—that prosecutors can get grand juries to do whatever they want them to do is universal and if this is not seriously changed, we will see massive civil unrest tear the system apart limb for limb.

    The “ham sandwich” term has been universally quoted among lawyers albeit the public perhaps did not hear it and are oblivious to the law. Tom Wolfe included the saying in the 1987 novel The Bonfire of the Vanities.

    “But mainly you used the grand jury to indict people,” Wolfe wrote, “and in the famous phrase of Sol Wachtler, chief judge of the State Court of Appeals, a grand jury would ‘indict a ham sandwich,’ if that’s what you wanted.”

    There is way more than enough to indict Pelosi of fraud and her husband for all the inside trading that has been alleged against her. That’s enough to indicate her and then she should be declared guilty until proven innocent.”

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-of-law/pelosi-declared-trump-guilty-it-his-burden-to-prove-he-is-innocent/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

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      Ross

      Pelosi’s posts on social media ( Twitter ) have now been stickered with a warning stating just that, ie. Every person innocent until Proven Guilty under US law.

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      Kevin T Kilty

      “He has NO OBLIGATION to present any contrary evidence.”

      No. Federal rules state that exclupatory evidence has to be made available to the Grand Jury, but the problem is there is no sanction if the prosecutor fails to do so.

      The real issue here is that certain Americans have always displayed a strong streak of bigotry and two of the worst such places are NYC and Washington D.C. It was easy to obtain an indictment in NYC because Trump is a pariah there — he has stepped on too many powerful toes. The trials of J6 defendants in Washington D.C. are equally tainted by this bigotry. Defense lawyers should have demanded a change of venue. And look at the exculpatory evidence that has been hidden from the defense in these cases.

      Julie Kelly’s article at amgreatness.com recently profiled a professional white woman on one of these juries who displayed a priori bigotry against the rural people she sees on trial here and should never have been allowed on the jury — even she was surprised by being picked. She spoke of the “terror” of the day as revealed by the sound tracks on the video she watched, apparently unaware that this audio track had been added by an ABC producer; she worked hard to convince the many doubter on the jury to convict. Sounds like mis-trial material to me.

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    Perplexed of Brisbane

    “Serves you right for giving up your guns!” “This is what happens when you don’t have the 2A!” Oh, wait, this is in the USA, NOT Australia.

    Not saying it wouldn’t happen here but….

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    Aloha! Not only can the elites indict a ham sandwich they also operate on the premise “You are murdered in jail until proven guilty!” Reimagine how many elites would have been literally caught with their pants down raping under age girls on Epstein Island had Jeffrey been allowed to testify to his crimes. Oh boy too bad he committed suicide while the cctv security cameras were off and while the guards were asleep! Who really shot JFK? The WH is a marxist crime scene of mega proportions! Its Stalin West!

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    Ross

    For all those following this story, even in Australia, remember the MSM are not your friend.

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    Kalm Keith

    Some time ago, during the O’Biden election, I was buying the newspaper several times a week.

    Straight after I cut that back to the Saturday Australian as an act of rebellion against the entrenched media.

    Now after this recent Storm I’ve decided to stop even that.

    Perhaps the money would be better spent on buying extra chocolate.

    Enough!

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      Hanrahan

      Obviously unaware that it is nothing personal, we all get put in the naughty corner occasionally.

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    Alistair Crooks

    For those interested in the bigger picture …
    It is interesting to speculate that this precise moment in the course of Western Civilization aligns with circa 130 BC of the Roman Empire – Trump having nearly an exact analogue in that civilization with Tiberius Gracchus. He was a rich oligarch who took on the other rich oligarchs/Patricians/Senators of the Roman “Swamp” with respect to land reforms and incurred their never ending wroth. But, by fancy footwork, he managed to out maneuver them and press on with his reforms. Of course he couldn’t succeed any more than Trump can – so, when all other avenues had been explored and failed, he was (trigger warning for Trump fans) beaten to death in the Forum.
    I think Gracchus’s main contribution though was the first loosening of old precedents that formed the Roman Constitution as he tried innovative quasi-legal strategies to outwit his opponents setting new precedents and beginning the slippery slope to total anarchy, the end of the Republic, and dictatorship under the Caesars. Trump, by his challenge to the authority of the mainstream “Swamp,” is forcing them to create new precedents with respect to the corruption of the instruments of power, electoral and judicial processes – processes which will slide into precedent so we can only expect things to get worse in the future as we slide down this newly created slippery slope. Electoral fraud and manipulation of the judiciary, the media, and the Mob have now become “authorized” as acceptable political strategies. Prepare now for anarchy and the rule of the Caesars!

    Read all about it in “The Strom Before the Storm” … Mike Duncan.
    https://www.amazon.com/Storm-Before-Beginning-Roman-Republic/dp/1541724038

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    Can We Really Last until 2032?

    QUESTION #1: Martin,

    Since Trump was already not guilty of having the affair (to which Stormy Daniels admitted never took place), does that mean that the New York Court has indicted him on the charges of “being blackmailed”?

    DB

    QUESTION #2: Bill Clinton committed perjury. That was legal grounds to indict him and remove him from office. Nobody wanted to indict Richard Nixon either. I can now see why Socrates is forecasting the collapse of the United States. I just realized that the Declaration of Independence was approved by the Continental Congress on July 4, 1776, announcing the separation of 13 North American British colonies from Great Britain. What I did not know was it was only a vote of 12 and New York abstained. It seems like New York is at it again. Do you really think we can last until 2032?

    ANSWER: “What Bragg has done is so undermining to the entire country and he has accepted money from a foreign power seeking to undermine the United States – George Soros. That is treason in my book. He is doing the bidding of a declared enemy against the United States and everything our way of life has stood for.”

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/ecm-armstrongeconomics101/can-we-really-last-until-2032/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

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    David Maddison

    Here is a report from Sky News Australia partly about the double standards between the recent Leftist attack on the Tennessee State Capitol and the Jan 6 peaceful assembly at the US Capitol.

    https://youtu.be/4Bv3hvSt21s

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    John Connor II

    The man the Democrats fear most

    To be FAR more accurate: “The man the Neocons fear most”

    The Neocons (so-called elite) are an international group of billionare nutjobs, behind groups like the WEF and NATO hell bent on destroying Russia (and China) before their old age does them in.
    NATO is of course a dinosaur WW2 legacy and without a supposed enemy like Russia, they’re worthless.

    via Martin A:
    Biden is a completely corrupt fool. They are going to push for WWIII – N O W – before 2024! They rigged the last election. They will do it again in 2024. But they are pushing the people to the edge here. They do not care about America or our economy and our future. They are pushing their GLOBALIST agenda forward and will now do whatever it takes to create WWIII. 

    By the time we get to 2025.90, this does not look good in the least. It is highly unlikely that we are looking at this lasting as we have known it until 2032. It looks like everything unravels starting in 2027.

    2027 – just before the magical JC2 date of 2028 AGAIN.
    😎😉
    I’d suggest everyone spend their time well.

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    TdeF

    It’s a chess game.

    Trump could ignore it. It’s a state matter and they are presuming to prosecute with Federal law, which is almost outrageous. A New York business law beyond the statute of limitations to create an expired and alleged not proven misdemenour but then invoking Federal election law to claim it was a felony at time, even though the responsible authority refused to prosecute it and it was unproven. But they also claim 61 other tax matters regardless of the unproven allegations. Maybe a parking ticket or two. It’s a ridiculous assembly of tortured law with one intention. Get Trump.

    Then they start seizing his property in New York, perhaps. Closing his businesses. However he doesn’t have to attend. Governor De Santis correctly says he will not support the extradition. So it becomes impossible for him to travel as a Democrat Governor could have him arrested and shipped in handcuffs and an orange suit to New York to be treated as a felon, even though he is not a felon yet. The bad orange man in a bad orange suit. The injustice of it all will have all the independents on side and many of the liberals.

    Or he could go along with it and surrender, like Jesus before Pontius Pilate at Easter. Timely. Present himself to be photographed as an alleged criminal. Handcuffed. Maybe even stuck in a cell. A crown of thorns perhaps?

    Then there might be a real revolution, which would play into the hands of the Democrats who ignored Portland as ‘mainly peaceful’ while Jan 6 was organized by Pelosi and peaceful but they lied that six policemen were killed and was a riot and so imprisoned hundreds and jailed some for years. People who did nothing in jail for being Republicans.

    With the media on their side, the Democrats feel they can do anything. They are invulnerable. And can abandon tens of thousands in Afghanistan and the press will say nothing.

    But I expect Trump will challenge it all legally while staying home in Florida. And simultaneously the Republican dominated Congress under speaker McCarthy will subpoena everyone involved, especially as they are using Federal law for the unproven felony. It’s really farcical but the hatred of Trump is visceral and in talking about ending the war in Ukraine in a day, he has made himself an even greater enemy for the Military-Industrial complex of which even President Eisenhower warned. Especially Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Milley who openly detests him. For them Ukraine is the best war in a long time and makes up for the complete debacle in Afghanistan and covers up whatever the Biden family were doing in Ukraine for a decade.

    However Trump will be even more of a hero to the Republicans and many Democrats will start ducking because it is so obviously wrong and going too far. Any idea that the DOJ, FBI, CIA, Justice departments are not the pawns of the Democrats/Soros/Clinton/Obama/Biden/Rice will be blown. Even former FBI director Comey who wore a wire into the Oval Office to trap Trump is grinning. And the prime witness is convicted liar Michael Cohen who is out of jail. It’s a wonder Avernatti has not appeared, but he’s still in jail for extortion against Nike while both convicted criminals were directly commercially involved with Stormy Daniels.

    But I expect Trump will sit it out and let the outrage build, while all the usual suspects make it clear that they have no interest in justice. Pelosi in particular has already said he has a right to defend himself, which as the long term Speaker of Congress shows how corrupt the system has become. But she’s not serious. He has no right to defend himself.

    Really they should have waited until he was in New York, but the pressure was too much. So it’s next move Trump. And doing nothing is an amazingly good option, making him even more famous than he is and staying on the front pages for months. Who needs to campaign when the Democrats are doing all the hard work to make him the most visible victim of government overreach in US history? Meanwhile serious felons walk free in New York, more than half not prosecuted by the same chief prosecutor. Extreme white privilege is the real crime. Maybe they plan the same cell as Jeffrey Epstein, where the lights and camera failed?

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    Donald Trump, they want to arraign,
    As they go for his jugular vein,
    On his downfall hell-bent,
    By dark forces are sent,
    From the swamp that he failed to drain.

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    Jim

    Interesting, but, it has to be remembered, all the delays, reset the dates. What delays, irs, is investigating my business. This is about business payments, not personal payments. He just took the first checkbook out, unfortunately, it applied to his business, unfortunately tucker is fanning the rhetorical flames, as he does so, he’s setting up a constitutional conundrum, is it okay to lie and claim it’s news. Is it appro to yell fire in the theater. To raise a rebellion, that is violent in nature to prove democracy, even implied, is bad. But, in my opinion, every four years, we have a rebellion, peacefully, and tell the country, to be civil.

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    KP

    A lot of it has to do with the Yanks electing their prosecutors & other lawmen. They have to set up large political theaters for the media in order to make themselves famous and get re-elected, so who better to have arrested than Trump?

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      Kevin T Kilty

      I served on a governing board where members were elected by the public. This model of constructing a board turns out to be people not knowing anything about the institution voting for people equally ignorant. A bad model it seems.

      I have also seen the operation of boards appointed by politicians — Governors usually. Political hacks who know very little and utterly unaccountable. Bad model again.

      The U.S. school MIT has an even worse model. Governing board has a minority that stand for election, but a majority with permanent seat and who can nominate others to join in some way. There may be something like 50 people on that board. Bad model.

      One cannot obtain legitimacy without a board or government obtaining consent in some way from the public, but putting the public, with all their flaws (biases, ignorance, etc) in charge of anything ends up badly at times…There we are.

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    czechlist

    C’mon, man, here’s the deal. Trump has been preparing to be arrested since he left office.No joke. He likely has tactics and strategy in place and this may just be what he wants. You think I’m kiddin’? On my word as a hygienic toilet!

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    Reader

    I am surprised the Demoncrats haven’t demanded this misdemeanor they are prosecuting as a felony, be a Capital (ie. Death Penalty) case.

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    SimonB

    Of course it’s all about provoking violence, that’s what calling January 6th an insurrection was all about. Every Marxist regime needs an enemy and clear and present danger to galvanize the useful idiots to follow the regime of hate!
    It’s even more imperative now that they haven’t locked down one party rule with less than two years until even the useful idiots look at the reality of New York, the Pacific North Woke and Californicated under the ‘care’ of Trump deranged Democrat political hopefuls like Bragg.
    That is, those who haven’t already left for personal safety, abrogating their responsibility for the carnage they created with lack of critical thinking!
    The differences in results from policies in red and blue states is stark, that means the Marxists misdirection playbook is in full use.
    The best option for the right, even the far right, is let those blue states self implode and all that will be left to support the Dementiacrats is their true useful idiots, Antifa…mily!

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      Kalm Keith

      If ever the feral government in the USA ran short of cash, there’s an untapped debt awaiting recovery.

      O’Biden Jr. should be made to refund the cost of all those free trips he had on Air Force One; millions.

      Go Brandon go.

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