Every Watt in Europe is shockingly expensive

Blistering high prices flow through the interconnectors too.

The energy price cap in the UK is now predicted to reach the £6,552 in April. Pretty soon only the Royal family will be able to afford electricity. If this continues, inflation in the UK may hit 18% by January.

As Javier Blas says: Day-ahead electricity prices in Europe are eye-watering, with lots of countries setting record highs for today. Notable to see the Nordics close to €400 per MWh, and Germany at €600. Before 2020, anything above €75-100 was considered expensive

It doesn’t matter who has the wind turbines, and who has the coal or nuclear power, everyone connected to junk generators gets expensive electricity. Denmark has more “free” wind power than nearly anywhere in the world but they are still paying €600+.

 

Meanwhile the German Energy Minister has decided he really should close the last three nuclear plants. Apparently it would only save 4% of their total gas bills, he says, not the 15% they need — like turning down a jerry can of fuel because it won’t fill the whole tank. I guess he’s not the one having cold showers.

Imagine how different it would be if low carbon fuel sources could actually save the world?

All the countries around Germany are feeling burned:

Andreas Kluth, Bloomberg: The EU’s eastern members, from Poland to Romania and Slovakia, are especially annoyed. They spent decades urging Germany not to make itself dependent on Russian gas and vulnerable to Putin’s blackmail. The Germans either ignored them or smugly lectured them on Kremlinology, refusing to acknowledge any connection between their policies on Russia, gas and fission.

Let’s hope it’s just a cult, and not a plan:

What many foreigners don’t appreciate, however, is that the German controversy is less a policy debate than a religious war — not unlike the American debates about guns or abortion, say. Many Germans have spent their entire lives protesting against the splitting of atoms.

Meanwhile gas is setting new price records (again)

It sure has that historic-international-crisis feeling:

Nordpool, Gas price, Europe, Graph.

https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1562019059570556929

From the Daily Mail:

“‘The nervousness of the market appears to increase day by day as we edge closer to winter delivery, now just five weeks away, and no big positive news on the horizon,’ Auxilione said.”

“A spokesperson for the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy said the UK has ‘one of the most reliable and diverse energy systems in the world’.”

It’s a Woke grid. Who wants “diverse” energy?

h/t MrGrimNasty

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    Natural Gas from the United States is delayed…

    https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/us-natgas-slides-2008-levels-after-restart-delay-freeport

    But our bonus here, is our Natural Gas will be cheaper.

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    sectokia

    Just got my notice in QLD, power prices up about 30%. It begins.

    At this price it will finally make sense to switch to heat pump hot water, and convert pool pump to solar, especially since it’s almost certain prices will keep rising. When the next few coal plants drop off later this year expect 100% increases in power prices and regular blackouts.

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    David Maddison

    How will the Elites afford to pay for their electricity?

    Don’t worry, they will have a plan.

    See link.

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2022/08/how-the-elites-will-keep-their-lights-on/

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      Steve of Cornubia

      My expectation is that the wealthy elites will simply go ‘off grid’ by installing generators – either green or not so green – and/or batteries. Of course, we could all theoretically do this, but in reality can’t afford it.

      The future will in fact resemble a return to feudal times long, long ago, when the ‘elites’ of that time sat toad-like in their walled and protected compounds, insulated from the travails that affected the plebs. In fact, their wealth was frequently used to gain ownership of resources such as farmland and forests which further impoverished and starved the less fortunate. These same elites had their own ‘security’ in the shape of a household guard of men at arms, who rode out with the lord and protected him from angry peasants (among other things).

      Our future overlords will live in similar style, in high security walled compounds/estates. They will own all the farmland, forests, rivers and even the seas. They will be immune to uprisings and revolutions thanks to their heavily-armed household ‘staff’ and zoom over our heads in private jets, as they already do. The plebs will be left to pick up the crumbs and, if AI, robots and automated everything continues to make actual humans redundant, it won’t matter if energy poverty, lack of food or another pandemic wipes half of us out.

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        Elites already live in suburbs with hospitals etc, and so are probably last on the rolling rotation list.

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        StephenP

        Hasn’t Bill Gates already bought up vast areas of farmland and forest?
        Also the Chinese are spreading their ownership of farmland as well as getting a stranglehold on essential mineral resources.
        What chance the elites will have to live under the same restrictions as the plebs – zippo!
        Maybe Klaus Schwab could lead in setting us an example of how we should live.

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    David Maddison

    Remember when the Germans at the UN laughed at President Trump when he warned them about dependence on Russian gas?

    They laughed.

    https://youtu.be/FfJv9QYrlwg

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      Ronin

      “They laughed.”

      Now they are crying. !

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      el+gordo

      Xmas will be dim.

      ‘Strunz continues: “I envision Christmas police who come around and say, ‘What? Christmas trees with electric lights? This year, and they are turning them on already at 5 pm and don’t turn them off until 9 pm? That’s a 50-euro fine!’” (Notrickszone)

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      Frederick Pegler

      All this grief is down to Volodymyr Zelenskyy. He was SURPOSED accept the evactuation offer, everyone would have tut tutted and it would have been bussiness with russia as ussual.
      Instead he stood his ground and embarrassed Europe into helping him. A real leader with courage and integrity was beyond their comperhension.

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    erasmus

    The Big Lies: wind and solar will be clean, reliable and cheap.
    Nuclear is expensive and dangerous.
    The vaccines will set you free.
    Offshoring manufacturing and oil refining is sensible.
    Privatising the power system is rational.
    Electric cars are viable and clean.
    Compulsory preferential voting gets the best results.
    The national broadcaster is unbiassed and worth over a billion per annum.
    The mainstream media does not affect attitudes or voting patterns.

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    Morg

    Last visit to the uk no-one I stayed with understood the concept of unit per KWh cost but all were paying the capped rate of 28 pence so abt double Australia. When we tried to fix in with a provider for term at my brothers the 2 year quoted offer was 100 pence.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    The French government has frozen gas prices and limited the increase of the regulated price of electricity to an annual 4%. The total impact of the cost of living squeeze from higher energy prices this year will remain well below 5% of consumption for all French households. In the UK it will be more like 15%.

    So a leftist government is protecting its citizens from energy price shocks. While the conservative UK government could not care less.

    For those in Australia, compare the market prices in The leftist WA to the liberal dominated east coast

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      David Maddison

      Price controls never work. The distributors still have to buy the product at a high price or if they are the gas suppliers they will sell the product elsewhere. The distributors therefore won’t be able to even buy the gas to sell. And price controls will also limit the investment in finding new supplies.

      There was no problem with the supply of gas or energy in general until your civilisation-destroying comrades went to war against the established energy supply to replace it with expensive and unreliable energy that only benefits the Elites, all to supposedly solve a problem (supposed anthropogenic global warming) that doesn’t exist.

      Non-Elites don’t deserve to freeze in the dark or have the economy they rely upon be destroyed.

      Market forces are natural forces and like other natural forces can’t be interfered with or things become unbalanced.

      See my post elsewhere where the Germans laughed at President Trump when he warned them about the gas situation.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Every country has a central bank – that bank sets interest rates which a price control on the cost of money. Or do you mean a market like say healthcare. in healthcare the phamabros in the USA set the price and resist any form of control, and price out a large portion of their population (unless they can get to Canada or mexico). In Thailand for contrast, health costs are controlled and in the reach of the entire population, and tourists, and the country is booming.

        Market forces are natural? that is the funniest line you have ever written.

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          Central banks (as I told you only a week or two ago) are artificial bureaucracies that set the price of money. ie they are socialist and not free market. How’s that plan going to avoid booms and busts and keep inflation under control?

          Just like all Big Gov ventures — crashing and burning.

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            Peter Fitzroy

            The point is, that in Western Australia, where this blog is based, the market controls are limiting energy price fluctuations. Eastern Australia is more toward free markets, which is why the price is spiking (both west and east have the same mix of renewables)

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              And how well does that gas reserve system work Peter? How much do you know about it’s operation?

              I spoke to a former long serving Minister in the WA government today and he couldn’t say how it worked or whether it worked. The details are complicated. I’d like to know. I’ve heard, and so had he, that it wasn’t even activated, and he’d heard that the gas companies weren’t happy and that “it did have a cost”. I pointed out that if we had brown coal power in Victoria the East coast would have cheap electricity and be able to sell more black coal and more gas at exorbitant prices thus making more jobs, profits and tax for Australians. He agreed.

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              Sceptical+Sam

              Name those “market controls” that you presume operate specifically in WA and keep the price of electricity down Peter.

              Name them.

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      MrGrimNasty

      EDF is majority owned by the French government, they were looking to acquire the final 15% a short while ago.
      The cost will be paid on bills or by taxpayers, it’s a disaster which ever way you slice it.
      EDF is a major player in the UK electricity market, I can’t help but worry UK consumers will somehow end up subsidising French?

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      el+gordo

      The Conservatives are also aware that the electorate will give them the boot if they don’y act quickly.

      ‘Business and Energy Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng has met with the boss of Scottish Power over the energy giant’s £100bn plan to freeze energy bills until 2024.

      ‘Scottish Power chief Keith Anderson said that the minister and Liz Truss ally is ‘seriously considering’ plans to loan energy companies the money to fund a price cap freeze.’ (UK Mail)

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        Kalm Keith

        Do you really not understand that the “low price” you quote is paid for out of sight with money from taxes, or more likely, from borrowed money?

        One way or another, “the people” pay! and pay and pay.

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      Ronin

      It’s still early days, let’s have another look come midwinter.

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      yarpos

      “For those in Australia, compare the market prices in The leftist WA to the liberal dominated east coast”

      makes no sense whichever way you read it, what are you smoking?

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        Kalm Keith

        “what are you smoking?”

        The latest stuff: dried Koala offloads.
        Apparently it has a strong smell of eucalyptus.

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      Ross

      Isn’t that just putting off the inevitable Peter? Sooner or later, someone has to pay.

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      Bozotheclown

      Peter F. says:

      So a leftist government is protecting its citizens from energy price shocks.

      Peter, just who’s gas is it in the first place? Start there and then tell us, with mathematical precision, how that works?

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      Strop

      How did you arrive at a Liberal dominated east coast when only one of the three states is Liberal. (not sure if you consider Tas east coast)
      In the last 25 years the Libs in Vic have one only one election, the Libs in QLD have won only one election, and in NSW it’s been three each to Lib and Lab.

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      Rupert Ashford

      And how do you think the French government pay for the shortfall? 🙂

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    David Maddison

    After having “invested” trillions of dollars for the benefit of the Elites in economically destructive and draining wind, solar and Big Batteries, there is not a single example in the world of (1) any beneficial effect on the environment (even assuming there was an actual problem to correct and there isn’t) and (2) any reduction in consumer electricity prices, they always go up dramatically and especially it is the non-Elites who suffer (and also die from cold due to energy starvation in cold countries).

    Why do the destroyers of Civilisation keep being allowed to get away with the lie that unreliables are the cheapest and most reliable form of electricity production?

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      Dianeh

      People will believe what agrees with their world view, regardless of the facts.

      I was in a FB stoush the other day and said to a true believer of vegsnism that just because something doesn’t suit her world view , doesn’t make it wrong, selfish or evil.

      She answered with, why are you talking about the world, this is about Australia.

      Seriously.

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      OldOzzie

      EDITORIALS
      Climate hypocrites are all tell, no show

      by Washington Examiner

      Many celebrities are full of sermons about how you need to save the planet. Often, they are the very same ones maximizing their own carbon footprints by flying on private jets. This has long been known, but the internet has now made it significantly easier to quantify their hypocrisy.

      Data from ADS-B Exchange, for example, show that director and climate activist Steven Spielberg had burned at least $116,000 worth of jet fuel in 2 months on his private jet, which represents an emission of 179 tons of carbon dioxide. If extended over the course of a year, that consumption alone represents 66 times the carbon footprint of the average American, and that’s before counting any driving or electricity use by Spielberg. (Guess what — his house is probably a lot bigger and more electricity-hungry than yours.)

      Taylor Swift turns out to be the queen of carbon pollution — her documented use of jet fuel in the first seven months of this year, according to the U.K.-based organization Yard, emitted 8,293 metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent. That implies an annual carbon footprint almost 900 times that of the average American. That’s just her jet use, not even counting anything else she does. Oh, and by the way, she wasn’t even on tour during that period!

      [snip]

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      OldOzzie

      Greta Thunberg Cult Has Gone ‘Bust’: Sky News

      Greta Thunberg’s guilt-trip climate shame tour appears to have hit the wall, as green pipe dreams with zero practical solutions meet the realities of, well, reality.

      Or, as Sky News Australia’s Andrew Bolt puts it; “A mere child, full of rage, obsessed with doom, totally devoid of any practical solutions – but here she was lecturing the world on how to fuel their 21st century economies.”

      Over the past year, Thunberg’s movement – described by Bolt as a “cult” – has fizzled out.

      “Thunberg is now a victim of her own success in scaring people into doing very, very stupid things that we’re now paying for.”

      Watch:

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    Mike+of+NQ

    Sounds like what Europe really needs – is some global warming.

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    RobB

    “They spent decades urging Germany not to make itself dependent on Russian gas and vulnerable to Putin’s blackmail.”
    But Putin isnt blackmailing Germany. Germany is sanctioning Russia. For what? Ukraine isnt an ally of Germany – it isnt in NATO, and it isnt in EU. Ukraine is none of Germany’s business. If Germany wants gas, they can open Nordsteam 2 any time they want. The truth is, whipping up anti-Russian hysteria is part of the German Green agenda, because they now have the perfect excuse to de-industrialize Germany.

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      Mike Jonas

      Ukraine is in Europe. Russia invading a European country is very much of interest to Germany.If European countries don’t stand up for each other, then they get picked off one by one. If Russia does knock over Ukraine (fortunately a bit unlikely now that the USA (mainly) and the UK among others have helped Ukraine) then who’s next? Poland? Moldova? Latvia?

      Oh yes, Ukraine does matter to Germany.

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        Geoffrey Williams

        Russia ‘invaded’ Ukraine because they were potentially threatening Russia with Nato weapons of mass destruction. Putin asked only that Ukraine would not allow these weapons on Russia’s border.
        I do not think it was too much to ask . .

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          Mike Jonas

          “ask” is a strange word to use to describe a full-scale military invasion.

          Ukraine is not in NATO, and one of the reasons for that is that it signed a non-aggression treaty with Russia. What they got doesn’t look much like non-aggression to me.

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            Tel

            The Russians interpreted NATO missiles sitting on the border and pointed in their direction as aggression.

            Exactly the same way the USA interpreted missiles in Cuba as aghression.

            NATO made a promise not to move Eastwards and that promise ended the Cold War. Breaking the promise restarted the Cold War over again … and happened to guarantee bigger budgets for NATO of course.

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              Chad

              The Russians were fighting on Ukraine soil for years before the NATO missiles were positioned.
              The war is not about NATO, Cold War, or even East West tensions !…
              …..it is simply Russia wanting to regain territories lost when the USSR broke up.!
              And the Ukraine is a very valuable piece of property with energy, agriculture, Commercial Ports, and access to the Crimea.

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            Skeptocynic

            “ask” is a strange word

            Ukraine, (with the help of NATO & the Deep State), had been in violation of the non-aggression treaty for many years and escalating.
            There had been many years of “asking”, (diplomatically), before the inevitable and well-forewarned consequences were activated, (i.e. military retaliation).

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          tonyb

          Which Nato weapons of mass destruction would those be? Russia has been a very belligerent nation for 200 years (don’t forget St Petersburg used to be part of Sweden) forcibly subjugated a dozen republics, and allied with Hitl*r in order to carve up Poland in the run up to WW2. They then acquired much of Eastern Europe and have annexed Crimea Attacked Georgia Syria and Afghanistan.

          What ended the cold war was the Soviet Union collapsing as it ran out of money in its attempt to keep up with the west. Ukraine agreed to give up its vast stock of nuclear weapons in response to a promise of non aggression by Russia which they failed to honour.

          Budgets for Nato have not kept pace primarily as most Nato countries, especially Germany, have preferred to spend money on social benefits rather than defence

          Putin has said quite openly that he intends to redraw borders according to those after Peter The Great.

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      tonyb

      Ukraine is very much part of Germanys business as it is in Europe. Russia wants to divide and conquer and Moldova and the Baltic states plus Latvia and Poland feel themselves at risk.

      If New Zealand were invaded would you believe it was none of Australia’s business?

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    David Maddison

    The Left know that to control society you need to:

    1) Control the energy supply (as in this case).
    2) Remove your right to medical options (covid).
    3) Control the food supply (the war against “nitrogen” (sic)).
    4) Make an issue of personal identity (e.g. race, gender, highlight rather than ignore differences etc.)
    5) Control communications via a highly compliant, unquestioning and Leftist oriented social(ist) media and Lamestream media.

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      Kalm Keith

      In other words, take all of the common sense guidance we applied immediately after World War 2 and totally reverse it.

      The collapse since about 1970 has been devastating, with our once world leading education system smashed along with our manufacturing and industrial base gone.

      The CV19 coup de gras on personal initiative saw the demolition of the last holdouts: small business.

      Why do we allow our Politicians to get away with this?

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        Sceptical+Sam

        We vote for them.

        Remember?

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          Kalm Keith

          We?

          I’ve never voted Laba and only voted Libl twice in over fifty years of voting. The two Libl votes were only cast in an effort to get rid of entrenched, self entitled Laba incumbents; and it worked both times which was amazing looking back.

          The point I was making though, was about the rampant illegal/inappropriate/corrupt application of power once in office. It’s there and it’s rarely “borderline” and there must be money flows in and around, through and under, Australia’s extensive Political Swamps.

          The problem isn’t totally the voting; the larger issue is getting a government to investigate itself! If I hear of another “Independent Investigation” into something or other I won’t be too confident that it’s working for Us, it’s paid for by the grubberment being II’d.

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            Sceptical+Sam

            OK.

            The ‘We’ was the plural sense not the Royal.

            Of course governments don’t investigate themselves. Why would they, unless they know they’re in the clear and their enemies are likely to be besmirched as a result. A Royal Commission is held at the behest of the government of the day. Investigative journalism is a thing of the past. The media, by-and-large is a mouthpiece for the socialist-left.

            However, there is hope. The Auditor-General, if he hasn’t been politicised, is answerable to Parliament not government.

            With that exception all you have is the vote. And your pen and paper or word-processor.

            You can always stand as an Independent candidate for election. Who knows, you might win a seat in the House or the Senate. Maybe, if the goddess of politics is kind, you might even fluke the balance of power.

            How would you use it, Senator Keith?

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      Ross

      Your shorthand for no 3 is very apt, as I was just thinking about that the other day. First we had a war on “carbon”, now we have a war against “nitrogen”. You can only assume the next war will be against perhaps oxygen? We’ll be taxed on the air we breathe and it will be like that sci fi movie. Fiction becomes reality!

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    Neville

    AGAIN this graph proves that the entire basis for their change to TOXIC, UNRELIABLE S & W is just more BS and FRA-D.
    Look up the DATA for yourselves and ask yourselves if they’ll ever WAKE UP?
    Then ask yourselves why they’ve refused to WAKE UP for the last 30 years? Or are they happy with the current misery and hardship they’re causing to so many countries? None of the DATA is difficult to understand, yet nobody seems to understand this last 30 years of countries’ co2 emissions history?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions#/media/File:World_fossil_carbon_dioxide_emissions_six_top_countries_and_confederations.png

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      Neville

      BTW I’m playing Devil’s advocate with the above graph + DATA and not trying to endorse their co2 is POLLUTION idiocy.
      Of course the same argument can extend back 52 years to 1970 and yet not one of their so called scientists seems to understand the data? Why is that the case?

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    Graeme No.3

    The (low) ‘outliers’ are Norway 73%, Sweden 88%, Poland 87%, Bulgaria 73%, Spain (& Portugal) 41%
    Those much Higher than average are Denmark, Germany, France, the UK and a raft of countries from Austria to the south & East (except Bulgaria),
    Ireland & Finland are above the average but less than most.

    So Norway has hydro & gas but very, very little wind & solar generation. Sweden similar with some nuclear.
    Poland has coal-fired and Bulgaria I think.

    Denmark, Germany, the UK are/were Gung Ho for wind & solar, yet “the cheapest source of electricity” seems to have lost something in translation. What would that expression Go WOKE…. indicate?

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    david

    Unfortunately I am renting on the Sunshine Coast for a while trying to find a home to buy.

    The Body Corporate of the unit had to negotiate a new deal with the electricity suppler a few weeks ago. The BC obviously doesn’t know the meaning of “negotiation” as they accepted the proposed increase of, wait for it, 66% !

    Seems I’m the only one to complain.

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      Ronin

      “Seems I’m the only one to complain.”

      That might change when their next bill arrives.

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      John Connor II

      Forget buying a home now. It’s the Aussie dream but don’t jump on the bandwagon or you’ll just get wiped out like the lemmings will.
      The real estate bubble is bursting, driven by inflation, energy & food costs, looming global war and what you’ve seen so far is nothing compared to what’s coming.
      People will be selling (or trying to) en-masse to exit the debt-death spiral they’ll be in. People won’t be able to or want to get a 20 year mortgage for the same reason. A large swathe of properties will just end up as toxic debt on bank balance sheets.
      It’s a recipe for bankruptcy so save yourself the future grief…

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        Fran

        I think you are right wrt the real estate bubble. However I am wondering where people will go if they are forced to sell at a loss. Rental property is becoming scarce due to decades of protections for tenants and building regulations.

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      Bozotheclown

      No air conditioning or refrigeration should make up for about 66%. If not, add in; no hot water. All will be good from there unless they are running a BitCoin mining operation.

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      Lawrie

      My son-in-law and his mate have developed a system whereby each apartment in a condo is independently monitored for electricity and hot water use and so one only pays for what they use. Their system is installed in Brisbane’s largest apartment complex.

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    yarpos

    “Apparently it would only save 4% of their total gas bills, he says, not the 15% they need ”

    A great example of the perfect getting in the way of the good. Bit of a pathetic rationalization for pursuing an anti nuclear agenda.

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      In reality it just means they made up a reason for closing nuclear plants. The real reason is “we hate them” perhaps. Or Mr BlackRock told them to…

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      Graeme No.3

      So if they need 15% what would they need after they close 4%? 19% by any chance?

      Yes, I know that he thinks he is talking about usage so I suggest this: SHUT DOWN the Chemical Industry – BASF alone uses 4% of gas consumption in Germany. That would cause the loss of at least that from the 100 specialty chemicals users (downstream of BASF) followed within no more than 2 weeks by the entire German Automobile Industry (although some plants in Slovakia and The USA).

      Avoid angry (ex)workers, Minister..

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    Ronin

    More waving the white flag than negotiating.

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    TdeF

    Behind all these ‘high’ gas prices are all the hidden Green taxes, up to 50%. And now the Australian announces a Carbon Capture bonanza. And our government is back forcing all our manufacturers to buy carbon credits. And who pays for all this? We do.

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    Graham Richards

    And our mob in Canberra are taking us all down exactly the same path to energy oblivion.
    The path we’re on does not lead to a Green nirvana & unicorns.
    I would also remind the Australian people that this is a very similar path that the Coalition had us on as well! The Coalition still has more than 50% members with the same crazy policies as Labor!
    The pain has not even started yet.

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      el+gordo

      The green slime has infected both sides of politics, so we’ll have to wait until the lights go out. Then it will be too late, but at least we’ll feel vindicated.

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      Ross

      Even today, Madeline King (Resources Minister) is pushing CCS projects in the middle of nowhere – another green fantasy. Add it to pushing water uphill (Snowy Hydro II), intermittent unreliable energy production (solar/wind), temporary power storage (batteries), energy neutral fuels ( hydrogen). Doesn’t matter if it’s LNP or Labor or the the public servants, none of them seem to understand basic physics, chemistry or engineering.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Soon to be at our bookstores? “Serfdom For Dummies”.

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    OldOzzie

    THE GEEK IN PICTURES: DATA DUMP EDITION

    A lot of new charts and graphs have emerged such that my data folder is groaning. So here they come.

    • Let’s start with some energy charts, germane in the aftermath of the recent climate bill:

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    Neville

    AGAIN we shouldn’t forget the important data that the Co2 Coalition has provided us with about this vital co2 trace gas in our atmosphere.
    Check out their points at the link and start to think.

    https://co2coalition.org/facts/

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    OldOzzie

    And Where will the Electricity come from?

    Loans for petrol and diesel cars to end, bank declares

    From 2025, one local bank will only offer new-car loans for customers purchasing electric vehicles.

    Buyers looking to finance their new car through their bank may soon be limited to electric models.

    Bank Australia has announced it will be stopping loans for petrol and diesel cars from 2025, with the goal of the customer-owned bank to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2035.

    The decision means customers will be limited to buying pure battery-powered vehicles, with traditional and plug-in hybrid models to be excluded from its new-car loan eligibility.

    However, despite future new-car loans being limited to electric vehicles, the company’s Chief Impact Officer, Sasha Courville, says second-hand cars won’t be subject to the same guidelines.

    “While we will cease car loans for new fossil fuel cars from 2025, we are deeply aware that we need to support people not yet able to afford an electric vehicle while the market grows,” Dr Courville said at the announcement.

    “We’ll continue to offer loans for second-hand fossil fuel vehicles until there is a viable and thriving market for electric vehicles,” she added.

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    John Connor II

    From 2020:

    Government mulls emergency measures that would enable networks to SWITCH OFF your electricity without warning or compensation

    The Government is considering giving energy networks the power to switch off a household’s energy supply without warning or compensation for those affected.

    A series of ‘modifications’ to the Smart Energy Code have been proposed by officials and look set to pass into law by next spring.

    These include giving networks the right to decide when they consider the grid to be in a state of ’emergency’ and the power to switch off high usage electrical devices such as electric vehicle chargers and central heating systems in British homes.

    Under the plans all homes would need to have a third generation smart meter installed, to include a function that allows meters in the home to receive and carry out orders made by the energy networks.

    This would dramatically alter the role of smart meters, which are currently capable only of sending data on energy use to energy networks.

    If passed unchallenged, these ‘modifications’ to the law would mean that electric vehicle owners could plug in at the end of the day and wake up without sufficient charge to travel the next morning.

    Similarly, central heating systems could be turned off in homes across a whole area if too many electric vehicles are plugged in to charge at once, for example.

    Currently, consumers are entitled to compensation if their power supply is cut off, but under these plans, this recompense would likely be scrapped.

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-8706033/Smart-meters-used-switch-electricity-without-warning-compensation.html

    The government controls the power, decides who gets power, how much and what it’s used for.
    Protest away!

    Best bet – move to the country and become self sufficient.
    Or buy a motorhome and go grey nomad.

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      Plain Jane

      I justified buying myself a motor home that is off grid because it is only double the cost of taking the house off grid and i don’t have to project manage the transition.

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        Chad

        But you are still exposed to fuel cost increases and supply !
        And how is the power for your “cumforts”..heating, cooling, fridge, etc ,…produced ?
        Going “off grid” is easy,….but living a comfortable, normal, lifestyle off grid ,..is not so easy !

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    TdeF

    I always am puzzled as to why people believe Global Warming, which isn’t happening, the Great Barrier Reef is in mortal danger (have UNESCO taken it off the endangered list?), that carbon dioxide is toxic, as is now openly said.

    But I also asked myself how people could believe in BLM, Anfi FA, CRT, the Rapture, Scientology, communism and socialism and the fall of mankind when the world is getting better, richer, healthier, safer every day. These are religions, not science. And remember David Flint’s first rule, that when people stop believing in God, it’s not that they believe in nothing, rather they believe everything.

    The entire assault on energy, prices, taxes, agriculture, travel, meat, fertilizer, food, cows is madness. Fully supported by politicians of all sides. We need Tony Abbott back. And in America, Trump is looming like Godzilla over this absolute mess of contradictions. The crazier it gets, the more most people and I mean most working class people want it to stop. The University and bureacratic and techno elites are getting crazier by the day.

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    another ian

    Saving gas and electricity – the German way

    “Can’t You Smell That Smell?”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2022/08/22/cant-you-smell-that-smell/

    And comments

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    Neville

    So what do our true BELIEVERS really BELIEVE about the mitigation or reduction of co2 in our atmosphere? In this article in “The Conversation” they tell us we can’t make a difference for THOUSANDS of years. Here’s their quote and the link.

    “Slam on the climate brakes”

    “What would happen to the climate if we were to stop emitting carbon dioxide today, right now? Would we return to the climate of our elders?

    The simple answer is no. Once we release the carbon dioxide stored in the fossil fuels we burn, it accumulates in and moves among the atmosphere, the oceans, the land and the plants and animals of the biosphere. The released carbon dioxide will remain in the atmosphere for thousands of years. Only after many millennia will it return to rocks, for example, through the formation of calcium carbonate – limestone – as marine organisms’ shells settle to the bottom of the ocean. But on time spans relevant to humans, once released the carbon dioxide is in our environment essentially forever. It does not go away, unless we, ourselves, remove it.

    In order to stop the accumulation of heat, we would have to eliminate not just carbon dioxide emissions, but all greenhouse gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide. We’d also need to reverse deforestation and other land uses that affect the Earth’s energy balance (the difference between incoming energy from the sun and what’s returned to space). We would have to radically change our agriculture. If we did this, it would eliminate additional planetary warming, and limit the rise of air temperature. Such a cessation of warming is not possible”.

    https://theconversation.com/if-we-stopped-emitting-greenhouse-gases-right-now-would-we-stop-climate-change-78882 END of quote.

    And the Royal Society and the USA NAS also agree with The Conversation article above. Here’s the link for their claims using the Zickfeld et al 2013 study. So according to the true BELIEVER’S bi-polar fantasy we’re damned if we do something and damned if we don’t.

    But who gives a stuff let’s WASTE TRILLIONS of $ FOREVER and rely on their S & W TOXIC fantasy and leave ourselves at the tender mercy of China and Russia. What could possibly go wrong? SARC.

    https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/question-20/

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      TdeF

      Neville, it is so obvious that no one believes in mitigation of CO2 growth. There is no sign of that at all. CO2 is a dead straight line.

      So the pushers of the Climate Crisis/Climate Extinction/Climate Change concentrate on strangling CO2 output in Western Democracies. The rest of the world do not have to do a thing, particularly China, India, Russia, South America, Africa, SE Asia. So 1.4+1.4+0.14+0.36+0.4+0.4 = 4Billion people are exempt. Especially China as they are historic carbon ‘victims’ and a third world country. Europe at 350million, America at 350million and another 100 million others are the only ones hanging themselves with an electricity cord from the nearest tree. Why?

      And everywhere I see the heavy hand of the UN, the unelected rulers in waiting. And the EU who now want their own ‘Climate’ army.

      The UN run WHO, UNESCO, IPCC are driving this caravan of climate baggers along with the 1,000 ultra rich companies private organization WEF. They even invited Grumpy Greta to address them, a modern Joan of Angry, a creature of this total fantasy.

      And revolution is their aim, a new world order where they will be called up to run what used to be democracies, a Fascist world where the socialists join up with the capitalists of the WEF. For the people at the very top of society, it is no less than they deserve.

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    CO2 Lover

    The riots in Germany cannot be too far away

    Octoberfest may not have any beer!!

    I for one enjoy the schadenfreude of the Germans who were too dumb to realise where the “Energiewende” was bound to lead Germany

    I will be enjoying a few beers during Octoberfest even if the Germans are unable to have a stein

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19365010/breweries-stop-beer-putin-energy-germany-octoberfest/

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    John Hultquist

    closer to winter delivery, now just five weeks away,

    5 weeks away – – – Say what?

    I missed the memo.

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    Senex

    The value for Sweden in the electricity price map is somewhat deceptive as it represents an average for the country. In fact, Sweden is divided into four zones for electricity prices, and the southernmost zone has essentially the same price as Germany and Denmark. The next zone to the north, which includes Stockholm and Göteborg, is not far behind. These twosouthernmost zones also have very little baseload generation capacity, especially with the shutdown of the Ringhals 1 and 2 nuclear generators. Only the northernmost price zone, with abundant hydroelectric generation, enjoys the low rates that bring the average down.

    Oh, and because of the EU’s integrated electricity markets, Sweden is obliged to both export electricity to Germany and to charge its southernmost zone (where the interconnect to Germany is located) the same price.

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