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Done!
Merry XMAS Jo!
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hope you receive lots of chocolates, Jo. many thanks and more power to you.
wasting precious police resources again.
btw how many from XR or ABC have volunteered as firefighters? nothing politically partisan, of course:
20 Dec: ABC: Sydney news: Extinction Rebellion blocks Pitt Street, temperature drops but scorching weekend ahead
PIC: Police rescue team works to remove protesters off Pitt Street. (***ABC News: Antonette Collins)
Here’s what you need to know this morning.
Protesters block CBD streets
A number of Extinction Rebellion protestors have been arrested after a demonstration in Sydney’s Martin Place during morning rush hour.
Police used bolt cutters and glue remover to take the protestors off Pitt St, where they had been holding a Christmas-themed demonstration against Government inaction on climate change.
A man dressed as Santa Scott Morrison was removed from his sleigh and arrested, while protestors dressed as reindeer and elves who had glued themselves to the ground were taken away by police.
Pitt Street at Martin Place remained closed, as did Hunter Street westbound between Castlereagh Street and George Street.
Motorists were advised to avoid the area and use an alternative route…
The Bureau of Meteorology’s Neil Bennett said the drop in temperature would not last long, though, with the scorching heat expected to return tomorrow.
“[Tomorrow] there is another burst of very, very hot conditions for the western parts of the state, including Western Sydney, with a forecast max of 47C,” he said…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-20/sydney-morning-briefing-friday/11816298
what’s with this Sky video? background music; subtitles; “Morrison” mostly used instead of “PM”. then music & subtitles end, and you get the PM grovelling on 2GB over his holiday:
VIDEO: 3m: 20 Dec: Sky News: Extinction Rebellion protesters arrested for blocking Sydney streets
Extinction Rebellion demonstrators have been arrested in Sydney after clogging Pitt Street and Martin Place with a protest during which they denounced Prime Minister Scott Morrison as a “climate criminal”.
Dressed as elves, reindeer and lying on the ground pretending to be dead, the protesters surrounded a demonstrator dressed as Mr Morrison in a Santa Claus outfit in a sleigh with the slogan “coal slays life”…
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6117192215001
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Shouldn’t those protesters be charged under the “state of emergency” powers, as they interfered with the duties of the emergency service people required to attend to them on a day when a state of emergency had been declared?
Cheers
Dave B
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I believe that the climate protestors, the vegans, the animal rights activists, in the interests of equality, must be made to stump up $50,000.00 for security & police protection before being granted permission to stage any protest or meeting, carnival or event in support of their cause.
They must also have insurance to pay for any damage caused or loss of earnings incurred thru their activities. Do it now!
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Simple solution: Leave them glued. Don’t close Martin Place.
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Just wait until the street sweepers go through at 5am….let them clean them off….might lose a bit of skin though….
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Where is Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen when we need him?
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Bjelke-Joh was another Gladys.
What’s needed is the National Party Cabinet Ministers from the 70s who built power houses, mines, dams, ports, roads and bridges, and held the old reptiles feet to the fire when he wanted to surrender to the mob.
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protected species:
20 Dec: ABC: Reuters: Extinction Rebellion climate activists escape punishment over London train protest
Three Extinction Rebellion climate activists who disrupted commuters by gluing themselves to a train or climbing on its roof in a central London business hub have been told they will face no punishment over the protest.
Cathy Eastburn, 52, Mark Ovland, 36, and Luke Watson, 30, were convicted “with regret” by a jury but were handed conditional discharges, meaning they will face no further action as long as they commit no other offences for a year…
They were found guilty after Judge Silas Reid ruled the activists could not use the “law of necessity” as a defence and the jury could not consider their intentions when reaching a verdict…
At the sentencing hearing, the trio was ordered to pay a total of 1,766 pounds ($3,333) in court costs.
An Extinction Rebellion spokeswoman said the trial was the first where arrested activists were heard by a jury.
‘This is about life and death’…
19 Dec: Guardian: Extinction Rebellion trial jury express regret at convicting activists
by Damien Gayle
Speaking after the verdict, (Judge Silas) Reid said he was minded to impose a conditional discharge, referring to the defendants’ “noblest of purpose”…
28 Nov: Guardian: Charges dropped against more than 100 Extinction Rebellion protesters
Decision may prompt those detained in October protests to sue for wrongful arrest
by Owen Bowcott
More than 100 Extinction Rebellion protesters have had charges against them dropped after the ban forbidding protest in London last month was ruled unlawful.
The Crown Prosecution Service decision will affect about 105 cases immediately, mostly those involving defendants facing trial for allegedly breaching section 14 of the 1986 Public Order Act.
Others formally accused of obstructing the highway will also have the cases against them discontinued, the CPS confirmed. Many cases will still go ahead.
The announcement may encourage large numbers of the estimated 1,800 protesters who were held between 14 October and 19 October to sue for wrongful arrest and detention…
Extinction Rebellion said it believed charges against as many as 1,000 people would eventually be halted…
Jules Carey, of the London law firm Bindmans, which was instructed by Extinction Rebellion, said: “We welcome the police’s confirmation that they will not dispute the legality of their 8 October section 14 ban. While we wait for the high court to formally address the issue, it is now clear that the policing of the Extinction Rebellion protests was a mess: the right to protest was overlooked, police powers were overstepped, and a significant clean-up operation is now required in the criminal justice system to deal with hundreds of cases that should never have been brought.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/27/charges-dropped-against-more-than-100-extinction-rebellion-protesters
19 Dec: Brussels Times: Extinction Rebellion files complaint against police for ‘illegally arresting’ them for Black Friday protest
The Extinction Rebellion environmental movement will file a complaint against the Brussels-Capital/Ixelles police zone for “illegally arresting” 22 of its members during the preparations for a protest against Black Friday…
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Note that none is young.
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It would appear this confirms the link between XR and the Establishment.
No jail time and some waffle about “noble cause” sounds awfully like a protected species being released back into the wild…..
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Please keep up the great work Jo. I will be very happy to chip in ASAP.
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Will drop in to local branch. Enjoy all. There is always hope that reason prevails.
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Chocolates are bad for you, so I sent a ham.
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compare with the Yellow Vests. given the publication below, don’t expect any mention of CAGW policy, with its ever-increasing carbon tax on fuel, which inspired the movement. also ignore the political analysis.
remember French police shut down the Metro stations, banned protests at prominent tourist locations, such as the Eiffel Tower etc and, some would say, either provoked violence or overlooked the possibility of agents provocateurs infiltrating the movement:
29 Nov: ForeignPolicy: Emmanuel Macron’s Year of Cracking Heads
France’s past year offers a possible preview of the West’s future: growing protests against liberalism — and growing brutality against the protests.
By Pauline Bock
Patrice Philippe cannot shake off a “feeling of injustice” since he lost his right eye to a police weapon at the first ever protest he attended, on Dec. 8, 2018. “That day, my life took a 180-degree turn,” he told Foreign Policy. “As a hauler, without my eye, I automatically lost my license, my job, my source of income. Then my partner left.” As the yellow vest movement marks its first year of existence, Philippe remains unable to work, or move on: “I feel like I can’t start over.”…
Philippe was walking towards the exit of the march, which he recalls had turned “violent,” when his eye was hit with a rubber bullet fired from an LBD 40 gun, a “weapon of intermediate force” frequently used by the French police in law enforcement operations. It is forbidden in France to aim at someone’s head or genitals with such a gun. Its use is banned in Austria, Ireland, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and the U.K., and authorized in only two out of Germany’s 16 states.
Since November 2018, such bullets have been regularly used by the French police alongside GLI-F4 grenades (each of which contains 25 grams of TNT) and tear gas. These weapons have caused a staggering number of life-altering or serious injuries among protesters such as Philippe. As of November 2019, 315 people have been injured in the head, resulting for some in a fractured skull or jaw; 25 have lost an eye; five have lost a hand; and one woman died of injuries caused by a grenade, according to French journalist David Dufresne, who has kept a meticulous count of injuries for news website Mediapart (LINK). A third of the eye injuries caused by police weapons in France in the last 20 years have happened during yellow vest protests, Dufresne estimates. The French government has said that LBD guns are “at no time” used against protesters “if they do not commit physical violence.”…
The yellow vests erupted out of the nowhere in November 2018, when people from rural and peripheral towns across France marched in opposition to a new fuel tax introduced by the government, which many saw as the last straw in a series of economically regressive policies that ever more stretched their monthly budget…
Macron, a former banker who skyrocketed to power in May 2017 after serving as former President François Hollande’s minister of the economy, destroying the French political establishment in the process, campaigned on a platform to make France more attractive abroad. Then seen as socially left-wing and economically right-wing, Macron has so far mostly given priority to market-friendly measures…
Out of 212 investigations opened by the IGPN into police action during yellow vests protests, 72 are still being investigated and 146 are closed, including 54 dismissed for lack of proof, the Paris prosecutor said in November. Two cases of alleged violence from the police will be judged in criminal court and 18 are being examined by magistrates. Meanwhile, 10,000 protesters have been held in custody, and out of 3,100 convicted, 400 have been sent to jail, according to a provisional legal report from November. “Hundreds of yellow vests have already been jailed and thousands convicted while police officers have yet to be heard in court for the first time,” Dufresne, the journalist who kept count of protester injuries, has said…
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/29/emmanuel-macrons-france-yellow-jackets-police-europe-year-of-cracking-heads/
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WRT: French protests – they normally send in the CRS – the heavies. These are a separate specialist police force.
WRT: Macron – after his election he ran his new party for parliament. Only 40% bothered voting. Of those 60% voted for the party. ie he has 25% support.
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I’m living in the U.K. and I would very much like to contribute to the maintenance of your wonderful site and your efforts to spread the truth.
However, when I click on the £GPD button, the currency comes up in AUD. I’ve checked a few others and they seem to come up in the currency appropriate to that country. I think this was the case last year too, and I commentated on this then. Please let me know when you fix it.
All good luck to you in the fight to expose the biggest scam and political takeover ever.
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OhNo! The dreaded pounds button. I will focus! I like pounds. — Jo
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MikeA, hopefully the GBP button will work now? I have redone it again. I don’t know what Paypal have against the UKpound, but you are right, it’s a long running gremlin. Thanks so much again.
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GBP PayPal button is working 🙂
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Done. Merry Christmas Jo and family.
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Droughts, record heat, bushfires in every state. All totally unprecedented.
Farmers losing everything to the change in climate and you ask for money??? Fuck you!!!
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Mr Fark, farmers are here mate, not at the kiddies protests — they know how useless the current climate models are. What farmers need, more than windmills and sola-wands is climate models that work.
Jo
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It’s hard to say where FarkU is coming from though it is possible that he has a hobby farm with a couple of Andean camels.
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Inner-city soy latte cafe. !
Di Natale his local member.
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It appears to show in the spelling….tsk….strong on rhetoric, short on actual usefulness for anything. Does sound very smashed avo compatible….
In year 9 at school I’d have been well and truly roused on by the English Master for messing up such a simple spelling.
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How did that get through automatic moderation? I can mention every religion except Isl*m, cannot write fr*ud nor suggest that claiming *borginality is a National industry now. As for man made Climate Change, that is outright fr*ud.
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I think Jo let it through to highlight what she’s up against, sadly I don’t think its the worst of this type of drivel either.
Agree totally about the auto mod censorship, socially engineered software?
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How about Jo having a long fireside chat with The CSIRO and posting the transcript?.
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Sure. I’d love too. But only if it can be published in full, unedited.
They will never agree though.
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Of course, it’s not your lack of evidence, it’s the great global commie conspiracy that’s thwarting you.
[You mean the one where fossil fuel companies pay off bloggers and world leaders to stop them acting on “Climate Change”? Oh wait… that’s your conspiracy – Jo.]
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Jo it would be interesting to analyse the localities of current fires in MSW, and what amount of hazard reduction burning has occerred in the last 10 years in those areas. Then compare to other areas in the state with regular hazard reduction burns.
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Steve,
Down where I am at the moment – and I get over here every year and have done so for the last 30 years – there’s been bugger all cool burns done during the sensible time of the year. Hence the fuel build up is enormous.
As I’ve said many times recently, the forests have been negligently managed by authorities in the thrall of green policy and governmental resistance to its proper management. The poor old RFA firies have no chance.
Where am I?
On the south coast of NSW. Just down from Batemans Bay a bit.
The Kings Highway is closed again (still) and it has been for the last three weeks as the fires burn through a variety of National Parks, state forests, nature reserves and the like. Holiday makers are staying away in their droves.
Businesses – which bank on the 6 to 8 weeks over the Christmas/New Year, December/January, period to make the surplus that sees them through the rest of the year, are going to be in trouble.
The big fire that was raging on the north side of the Kings Highway (Budawang National Park) has now jumped the highway (at, of all places, Government Bend 🙂 ) and is now set to rage through the the Monga National Park and then the Deua and on, all the way south, to God knows where. The Deua abuts the Wadbilliga National Park seamlessly.
The next major road is the Snowy Mountains Highway, 100 + kilometres to the south. It’s all very rough country in there, and if the northerly keeps up, the fire will be unstoppable. There’s been no regular, active fuel control in any of it for over 20 years.
The tally of wildlife killed will never be known. No doubt the greenies will down-play it. Or not.
And, there’s all of January and February’s heat and dryness to come yet.
https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/visit-a-park/parks/deua-national-park/map
How did it start? Well, let me tell you, it was not as a result of lightning strike.
Why was it not able to be controlled? Fuel load. Massive fuel load.
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This happened in 2012 when Jo and David accepted an interview for the ABC “I can change your mind” documentary.
Their uncut footage of the interview is on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd6x9Q81RWk&list=PLZqlasNR4OUBrqNjqWc4a2XzlSmS4NEce&index=9
The details of what became of almost 2 hours of film is described in the links introduction by Frank Brus.
The CSIRO would use the ABC or SBS with the same modus operandi to make themselves completely innocent of any accusations of misconduct proven or otherwise for the eyes of the general public, while any actual proof of excessive video editing (above link) will be relegated to a YouTube account that will never be recognised by any MSM outlet.
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Still keen to frisk about the heels of important people, Michael? I wonder that you condescend to come here and snarl at mere bloggers when you can be flattering the Duke’s footman on his lord’s new snuff box.
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Hear that there is a new CSIRO paper, saying that renewables are cheaper than coal. Anyone have a link?
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Only references are from 2018 that I can find.
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How about simple mickey publishes something other than mindless rants on this blog !
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Fark I see you have
NO awareness of Australia’s drought & Fire
And then flood History.
And probably have never learned any history at all.
So your opinion as well as being abusive
Is not worth a tinker’s Fark.
Best you toddle off back to your Bubbs class at school.
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One might say Fark off please?
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As terrible as the present fire is, I was amazed to read that it has been reported as Australia’s biggest and possibly the world’s’ biggest.
The 1851 Victorian blaze covered 5 million hectares, and may well have been the world’s biggest known wildfire…
The year 1850 had been one of exceptional heat and drought. Pastures had withered; creeks had become fissured clay-pans; water-holes had disappeared; sheep and cattle had perished in great numbers, and the sun-burnt plains were strewn with their bleached skeletons; the very leaves upon the trees crackled in the heat, and appeared to be as inflammable as tinder.
The blasts of air were so impregnated with smoke and heat, that the lungs seemed absolutely to collapse under their withering influence; the murkiness of the atmosphere was so great that the roads were actually bright by contrast.
As the summer advanced, the temperature became torrid, and on the morning of the 6th of February, 1851, the air which blew down from the north resembled the breath of a furnace. A fierce wind arose, gathering strength and velocity from hour to hour, until about noon it blew with the violence of a tornado.
By some inexplicable means it wrapped the whole country in a sheet of flame —fierce, awful, and irresistible. Men, women and children, sheep and cattle, birds and snakes, fled before the fire in a common panic. The air was darkened by volumes of smoke, relieved by showers of sparks; the forests were ablaze, and, on the ranges, the conflagration transformed their wooded slopes into appalling masses of incandescent columns and arches.
Farm houses, fences, crops, orchards, gardens, haystacks, bridges, wool-sheds, were swept away by the impetuous on-rush of the flames, which left behind them nothing but a charred heap of ruins, and a scene of pitiable desolation. The human fugitives fled to water, wherever it could be found, and stood in it, breathing with difficulty the suffocating atmosphere, and listening with awe to the roar of the elements and the cries of the affrighted animals.
As for temps, the Melbourne Argus reported…
In the early morning the atmosphere was perfectly scorching, and at eleven o’clock the thermometer stood as high as 117 degrees ( 47.2 Celsius) in the shade; at one o’clock it had fallen to 109 degrees and at four in the afternoon was up to 113 degrees.( 45 Celsius )
Temps further inland can only be imagined.
Mr Fark is New Man at Year Zero. Anything can be “unprecedented” for him, as it suits. And if facts don’t suit, there is always obscenity. That’s the great thing about being New Man at Year Zero. You can make it all up, invent all the rules, and if things still don’t go right you can start chucking toys out of the cot.
Tonight I made a very small donation to this site but offered a very big one (for me) to our local rural brigade. I did say “offered”. What’s amazing is that our brutally-overworked captain said he had been swamped with generosity from all over and couldn’t really receive anything more at the moment.
Yep. Aussies are still that good.
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And a book they no doubt banned in school libraries long ago (Foley, J.C. 1957. Droughts in Australia. Review of Records from Earliest Yeas of Settlement to 1955. Bureau of Meteorology Bulletin 43. Bureau of Meteorology Melbourne, September 1957), said that towards the end of that unrelenting drought that started in some places in 1902 and most places by the 1920’s; between March 1943 and March 1947 Queensland sheep numbers declined from 25.6M to 16M.
By November 1948 there were a critical water shortages along the whole of the coast. Water was available for only 2-hours per day in Townsville, restrictions were imposed at Mackay and Cairns and the situation in Bowen was parlous.
Bushfires were springing-up in areas not already burnt and the Atherton Tablelands were at their worst. By winter 1951 some 6M hectares had been burnt; horses were dying of starvation in the Mackay district; in November Bundaberg and Mackay were the most drought-stricken cane centres and Rockhampton, Mackay, Bundaberg and Maryborough faced a “record milk crisis”. Water in the Pioneer River at Mackay was the lowest for 80-years.
Cheers,
Bill
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Far u,
Words are easy to type and post. Hate and bile are also easy to post, especially if you are able to hide behind a pseudonym.
If you believe the majority of the public, Governments and the 97% of scientists are in consensus on climate change, then you don’t have to bother posting bile on any website that questions it. You can do it.
You are wasting time. I suggest you concentrate on engineering a way to lower the earths catastrophic temperature increase rather than using abusive language.
Here is a challenging thought. Ignore us. let us be the insignificant ignorants you believe we are.
You will then be able to get on with your agenda to invest in renewables and carbon credits to enrich yourself and change either the climate or governments, without distraction.
good luck.
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I hope Jo blocks your filthy self ASAP. Comments like this don’t deserve any reply or attention.
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What utter nonsense.
Suggest you attend the Church of AGW and pray to Saint Greta and Pope Gore for more imaginary windmills to tilt at.
If you haven’t noticed, the ice caps are still there, the model predictions are wrong, and your green solutions solve nothing because they are resource constrained and incapable of ever serving grid scale loads with any reasonable level of reliability.
Spew your baseless drivel elsewhere and stop wasting everyone’s time with fantasy, hyperbole, and emotions.
G’Day.
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Oh. reply intended for the troll “FarkU”.
Apologies for any confusion on that count.
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We used to have a running joke at our pool table: do you want the near cue or the far cue?
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FarkU at least you can put words together to make a sentence unlike your fake messiah and false prophet Greta Thunberg.
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Droughts are not unprecedented
Heat is not unprecedented, (unless you ignore all the previous records or adjust them downwards and smear urban heat effects from a large number of unfit-for-purpose sites.)
Bushfires are not unprecedented , and the intensity is caused by the policy of lock-up and neglect.
So, wrong in every point.
Only one thing I can say
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I’m a farmer and earthmover FU, my family have farmed the one farm here on the Namoi river since my great grandfather arrived on horseback in 1860. 1949 is the worst drought we have been through, this one is no big deal, though losing income from pasture grass and grain crops grown from rain which has been lower than usual is always a difficult juggling act. The game changer now is modern farm equipment and huge diesel powered B doubles and road trains. I see maybe 50 of these behemoths carrying vast quantities of feed up from the bountiful Victorian farming areas each day along the Oxley Highway heading for the New England area, which is even more barren than usual at present. We couldn’t do that in 1949, though idiotic green policies want to ban diesel use! My father and grandfather fed our cows in 1949 (for the 18 months of the drought) by hand lopping (to 70% foliage so the trees survived) with axes the eucalypt trees, until it rained again. This was of course a daily activity. You would think it too hard to persist, but my Grandfather and his brother (they farmed together) were both in machine gun companies at Paschendale, nothing ever seemed too hard for them after that experience.
The mighty Namoi was often dry, my father was five years old when he first saw it running. He remembers someone running into the local school shouting “the river is running again”, whereupon the whole school ran down to have a look. I was born in 1961, the same year Keepit Dam was finished, and I have not seen the Namoi river dry until this year, due to the benefit of storing damaging floodwater during the regular times of excess, for use when rainfall is reduced.
What we need as farmers is less rubbish thinking and nonsensical global warming babble coming from our city media and self appointed non-experts like the “fire chief bureaucrats”, and more thoughtful investment in useful infrastructure like the big dams of the past. This site is a vital source of critical thinking and information from many older experienced sources, and is therefore precious, and worthy of support.
Happy Christmas Jo, and the many posters here who’s wisdom I appreciate!
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Good reading: past and present well covered.
Unfortunately what is unlikely is that Australian politicians could take the great messages contained and build a future for us.
It isn’t hard to extrapolate your story to a busy construction period to reduce unemployment and simultaneously build dams that reduce draught impact.
The first step towards this nirvana will be to de-radicalise the ABCCCC media propaganda unit.
KK
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The Great Barrier Reef cores, bored in the 60s showed that in the 1700s there were 26 consecutive years when no silt was deposited in the reef. None of Queenslands big rivers, the Burdekin, Fitzroy & others did not have even a moderate fresh for 26 years.
The marine biology PHD student who showed me this stuff suggested the state would collapse a if similar drought occurred again.
Captain Cook mentioned in his log that at no time while sailing the northern NSW or Queensland coasts was the sky free of the smoke of bush fires. Perhaps 1770 was a bit dry too.
Where did all this knowledge go?
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That’s real news about Captain Cook’s log. Amazing. Clearly the ab*rigines had already started Global Warming.
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As one farmer to another… I’ve never yet met a reasonable proposition for feeding the world without modern farming machinery.
When my Grandfather moved from Gippsland to here in the Eastern Riverina, west of the Sydney-Melbourne rail line was regarded a poor, semi-desert country. That was in 1920.
We know about climate change, we’ve been seeing it for generations.
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When they were queuing for brains, I’m guessing you were in the far queue. 😉
You and your AGW cultists got the left-overs or rejects..
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Your nom de plume says it all and accurately reflects my thoughts about your comments.
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FU…
Comment’s like yours display complete ignorance of the facts and the operative word is unprecedented.
1. Do yourself a favour and take a look at the Long Paddock recordshttps://www.longpaddock.qld.gov.au/rainfall-poster/. Clearly this drought is NOT unprecedented.
2. This heat wave has many precedents. Do yourself a favour and review related information on this blog about BOM and the homogenisation of temperature data. Do yourself a bigger favour and research more widely and you will find that the urban heat island effect on temperature records has been cited since the 1960’s. Read more widely and you will find that temperatures have always risen and fallen over millennia.
3. Now for the bushfires. The combination of drought and heat has historically resulted in fire. Eucalypts and many other native flora depend on fire to germinate the seeds. The early settlers noted that open forest dominated the landscape and the reason for this was the burning practice of the aborigines. My friend of 60 years is a volunteer firefighter and his discussions with an elder revealed different burning practices for different ecosystems.
If regurgitating recycled climate propaganda is the best you can do then FU2!
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Mr F, “Unprecedented record (heat)” is an oxymoron.
So you can understand what I mean, there’s always been a previous record!
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FU, precisely none of the issues you mention are unprecedented or even unusual in Oz. I’ll refrain from saying more.
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Well you’ve convinced me FarkU!
This is exactly the evidence I needed to push me over to the believer side once and for all.
Merry Christmas Jo and family.
Chocolates sent.
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Thanks for motivating me to get my donation in ASAP, FU.
And FU, FU.
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last nite was ABC’s Philip Clark’s final “Nightlife” program of the year, before heading off on a long taxpayer-funded holiday. his final Issue of the Day was about what were the big stories of the year, what was under-reported?
in a promo I heard before the hourly news bulletin, and in the intro to the segment, he read much of the following Guardian article, from way back in February. don’t know if he or his producers chose it. after skipping through the calls, it failed to attract zealots demanding even MORE coverage of CAGW on theirABC; in fact, I only heard one who briefly mentioned climate & her grand-children:
21 Feb: Guardian: Climate change ’cause of most under-reported humanitarian crises’
Report says few headlines sparked by food crises that ravaged Madagascar, Ethiopia and Haiti
by Arthur Neslen
Climate change was responsible for the majority of under-reported humanitarian disasters last year, according to analysis of more than a million online news stories.
Whole populations were affected by food crises in countries ravaged by by drought and hurricanes such as Ethiopia and Haiti, yet neither crisis generated ***more than 1,000 global news stories each.
In Madagascar, more than a million people went hungry as corn, cassava and rice fields withered under drought and severe El Niño conditions. Almost half the country’s children have been stunted, but their suffering sparked few headlines.
Sven Harmeling, the climate change lead for Care International, which commissioned the report, said…
Around the world, extreme weather events claimed about 5,000 lives in 2018, and left almost 29 million people in need of humanitarian aid and emergency assistance…
(Dr Viwanou Gnassounou, the ACP’s assistant secretary general) said: “We try always to show that these disasters are linked to climate change but we have to fight to get our points heard. We have not been very successful until now. The [media] coverage is poor and [reported] in terms of ‘disaster’ – not linked to climate change or its consequences.”
Gnassounou, who is also the ACP’s sustainable development spokesman, said that donor countries sometimes implicitly linked crisis aid to silence about climate change.
“They will never say it formally but it is part of the conversation,” he said. “They prefer that you condemn yourself by saying that you did not have a proper policy to prevent disaster and now you need their support.”…
Last year, the European Academies Science Advisory Council said climate change this decade had been “fundamentally responsible” (LINK) for driving a 50% increase in flood frequencies and a similar surge in storms, droughts and heatwaves.
In July, the World Meteorological Organisation described (LINK) extreme heatwave conditions as “consistent with what we expect as a result of climate change”.
Later that month, one of the world’s leading climate scientists, Prof Michael Mann, described accelerating extreme weather events as “the face of climate change” (LINK).
However, Dr Friederike Otto, the deputy director of Oxford University’s environmental change institute, added a note of caution. She said: “Not every humanitarian disaster has climate change as a major player. Some are actually being made less likely by climate change. And in some, climate change only plays a minor – if any – role.”
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/feb/21/climate-change-cause-of-most-under-reported-humanitarian-crises-report-finds
no need to listen but, for the record, it begins 3h02m06s in:
AUDIO: 3h54m59s: 19 Dec: ABC Nightlife with Philip Clark
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/nightlife/nightlife/11795294
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dreaming. funny how ***Macron could be a climate leader again!
18 Dec: E3G: 2020 will be all about the EU and China
By Quentin Genard, Jennifer Tollmann
COP25 has ended with a whimper and not a bang. International politics are not yet in a place to act on the growing global climate crisis. The good news? In 2020, Europe holds the key to turn these geopolitical tides.
It takes two to tango
The expectation towards the EU is that it will lead the dance. But it takes two to tango. In the absence of a climate-active US, all eyes are on Europe and whether it can bring the world’s biggest emitter – China – along with it. And with an all of heads of state extraordinary EU-China summit in the works for mid-September in Leipzig Germany, the question is not “can Europe do it” but “will it seize the opportunity?”…READ ON
Leadership
There are three natural champions that could successfully engage China…
European Council President Charles Michel is the natural contender…
***French President Emmanuel Macron is closely behind…
Finally, German Chancellor Angela Merkel could also rise to the task…
https://www.e3g.org/library/2020-will-be-al-about-the-EU-and-China
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centralisation!
The UK is stress testing banks for climate risk, others must follow
Financial Times – 18 Dec 2019
Mark Carney: “The transition to net-zero carbon emissions is both a physical necessity to stabilise the global rise in temperatures and the law of the land in the UK. To achieve net-zero, companies must put a transition plan in place, creating enormous opportunities and major risks…The financial sector can play a decisive role — provided it understands the risks and develops the tools to manage them.”…
19 Dec: Guardian: UK banks and insurers to be tested on climate crisis response plans
Bank of England to force firms to say how they would respond to temperature rise of up to 4C
by Kalyeena Makortoff
However, the Bank will not identify individual businesses through the tests and will release only aggregate results for the banking and insurance sectors.
Threadneedle Street has, however, not ruled out releasing individual results in the future, and plans to use the initial reports to inform how it supervises each company…
18 Dec: BBC: Banks and insurers to face climate stress tests
by Simon Jack
Bank officials told journalists that the value of every asset on the face of the planet will be affected by climate change. Where values change, there is financial risk and the bank wants to measure it – and then manage it…
It’s perhaps not intuitive to see how climate change affects financial assets.
Imagine that, after years of Australian bush fires, insurers decide that houses in the country are uninsurable. A house that can’t be insured is worth a lot less than one that can. The price plummets, to be worth less than the mortgage the owner has taken out.
The bank that offered that mortgage is left nursing a big loss – and so are all the other banks. Hey hey presto, you have an Australian financial crisis…
Unexpected consequences
This is a massive undertaking, and banks and insurers are being consulted on what information is most relevant and how it can best be gathered.
The European Banking Authority is considering doing something similar, while the Federal Reserve is expected to be watching closely…
Making banks ultimately pay more to finance climate changing behaviour is the kind of powerful stick climate activists have been crying out for.
But it is also the kind of thing that could have unexpected and possibly painful transitional effects.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50836228
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hot or cold – it’s CAGW:
18 Dec: IOP Science: Environmental Research Letters: Coincidence of increasingly volatile winters in China with Arctic sea-ice loss during 1980–2018
Yang Chen, Zhen Liao and Panmao Zhai
(from PDF: State Key Laboratory of Severe Weather, Chinese Academy of Meteorological Sciences, No.46, SouthAve., Zhong-Guan-Cun, Haidian, Beijing, People’s Republic of China)
Abstract
Despite intense discussions on the recent boom of mid-latitude wintertime cold extremes, co-variations of warm and cold extremes, i.e. winter temperature volatility, has garnered substantially less attention. Apart from using temperature extremes’ frequency and intensity, we also define ‘temperature whiplash’, which depicts rapid switches between warm and cold extremes, to measure winter temperature volatility in China…
Acknowledgments
We acknowledge funding support from the National Key Research and Development Program of China (Grant No. 2018YFC1507700) and from Regional Program of Natural Science Foundation of China (Grant No. 41565005).
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab5c99/meta
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must read all – long list of alleged sceptics:
19 Dec: WalesOnline: The climate change sceptics Boris Johnson has appointed to his new government
Boris Johnson’s new government has several members accused of denying climate change
By Will Hayward, Social affairs correspondent
Monmouth MP David TC Davies has been made a minister in the Wales Office, and assistant government whip.
Mr Davies has a long history of denying man-made climate change despite the overwhelming consensus of leading experts around world stating the opposite.
In 2013 he said in a parliamentary debate that it “is not proven that the carbon dioxide that has gone into the atmosphere is responsible for the relatively small amount of warming that has taken place since industrialisation.”…
He has used his regular column in the South Wales Argus to speak out against action on the climate emergency…
Jacob Rees-Mogg – Leader of the Commons…READ ALL
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/climate-change-global-warming-denial-17448313
18 Dec: DeSmogUK: Major Tory Donor and Johnson Backer to Lead UK Climate Science Denial Group
By Richard Collett-White
A major Conservative Party donor and financial backer of Boris Johnson’s leadership campaign has been appointed chairman of the UK’s leading climate science denial campaign group.
Terence Mordaunt, who donated £100,000 to the official pro-Brexit campaign and co-owns Bristol port with business partner David Ord, quietly took over the leadership of the Global Warming Policy Foundation at the start of December, according to Companies House records.
Mordaunt has previously claimed that the link between rising carbon dioxide emissions and climate change is unproven, and that he is concerned climate-friendly policies will push up electricity costs for his business — issues the GWPF regularly campaigns on…READ ON
https://www.desmog.co.uk/2019/12/18/major-tory-donor-and-johnson-backer-lead-uk-climate-science-denial-group
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Looks like Boris is following Trump. PM Morrison may yet grow a pair!
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“Mordaunt has previously claimed that the link between rising carbon dioxide emissions and climate change is unproven,”
As we have seen many times on this blog
The evidence just DOES NOT EXIST
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19 Dec: RenewEconomy: Collapse in Queensland renewables investment – the canary in the coal mine
by Tristan Edis
If we extract Queensland’s renewable energy commitments out from the aggregate, we see something very troubling. In 2019 construction commitments to large wind and solar farms in Queensland completely dried-up. Investment in LGC-registered projects to November stands at a paltry 29MW and is almost entirely confined to behind-the-meter rooftop solar systems…READ ALL
https://reneweconomy.com.au/collapse-in-queensland-renewables-investment-the-canary-in-the-coal-mine-62738/
Norway resists growing environmental pressure over oil
Financial Times – 19 Dec 2019
Norway will continue to pump oil as long as there is demand, the country’s outgoing oil minister has said, resisting growing environmental calls…
19 Dec: BBC: Climate change: Met Office says warming trend will continue in 2020
By Matt McGrath
According to the Met Office, 2020 will likely be 1.11C warmer than the average between 1850-1900,
The year ahead is set to extend the series of the warmest years on record to six in a row.
Scientists say the strongest factor causing the rise is greenhouse gas emissions…
The warmest year on record is 2016 when a strong El Niño made a significant difference…
Provisional figures released earlier this month by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) suggest 2019 is on course to be the second or third warmest year ever.
If those numbers hold, 2015-2019 would end up being the warmest five-year period on record.
The Met Office say they have confidence in their prediction for 2020 based on what’s happened in previous years.
This time last year they estimated that 2019 would be 1.10C above the 1850-1900 mark. The actual temperature recorded this year from January to October shows a global mean 1.11C…
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50839974
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they can’t predict the weather an hour in advance with any great accuracy but they can tell us what next year’s average temperature will be to 2 decimal places? Amazing.
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Pre-decided… or pre-ordained.
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Either way Andy it’s meaningless.
The IPCC tells us in it’s AR5 that:
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_SPM_FINAL.pdf
So, to pick out one year following the second average (2003-2012) is nothing more than speculative cherry-picking.
That’s what we have come to expect from a pseudo-science authority like the tax-payer funded BoM.
Time for an audit. PM Scomo needs to extend his Public Service clean-out to these charlatans.
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Let’s hope it doesn’t get as high as 1.12 C warmer !
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Maybe if we all stop eating and doing anything that helps us stay alive, it will only reach 1.10ºC warmer. !
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Maybe, were we all prepared to head down that path, starting today, but likely it would still only get us to 1.1063 degrees C.
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Should read: . . . . but likely it would still only get us down to 1.1063 degrees C warmer!
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19 Dec: Deutsche Welle: Russia’s Vladimir Putin doubts man-made climate change, backs Trump
The Russian president has turned heads with remarks on climate change, the eastern Ukrainian conflict and Trump’s impeachment. In his end-of-year press conference, he said he thought a new arms race with the US “is bad.”
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday held his annual end-of-year news conference during which he answered questions posed by journalists, including on subjects such as the impeachment of US President Donald Trump and peace talks with Ukraine.
Here are the highlights of his remarks.
‘Nobody knows the origins of global climate change’
Putin cast doubt on the man-made origins of global warming, saying “nobody knows the origins of global climate change.”
“We know that in the history of our Earth there have been periods of warming and cooling and it could depend on processes in the universe,” Putin said. “A small angle in the axis in the rotation of the Earth or its orbit around the Sun could push the planet into serious climate changes.”
Tens of thousands of scientists have collated overwhelming amounts of data pointing to the man-made destabilization of Earth’s climate system and the importance of limiting current and future greenhouse gas emissions…
https://www.dw.com/en/russias-vladimir-putin-doubts-man-made-climate-change-backs-trump/a-51736903
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19 Dec: News24: AFP: Putin says ‘nobody knows’ causes of global climate change
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said “nobody knows” what causes climate change, seeming to cast doubt over whether global warming is of manmade origin and stating it could be blamed on cosmological processes…ETC AS PER DEUTSCHE WELLE
But Putin acknowledged that climate change was a major issue, saying we “must undertake maximum efforts to ensure that the climate does not change dramatically.”
Speaking as Moscow is seeing unseasonably warm weather for December, Putin said that the rate of warming for Russia was 2.5% higher than elsewhere on the planet.
“For our country, this process is very serious,” he said. “We will undertake efforts to minimise the consequences for our country,” Putin said.
He insisted Russia’s emissions were far lower than those of major Western countries and that it stood by its obligations under the Paris climate accord.
He said climate change was a particular risk for Russian regions where buildings are built into permafrost and there “could be very big consequences if it melts”.
A weather station in the north of Moscow recorded a temperature of 5.4 degrees Celsius on Wednesday, the warmest seen in December in over a century…
https://www.news24.com/World/News/putin-says-nobody-knows-causes-of-global-climate-change-20191219
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Tell that to the Archangels (Arkhangelsks).
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/russia/arkhangelsk
It’s Christmas isn’t it?
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Today has been too exciting here in the Adelaide Hills.
45 degree day with North westerly winds
And a fire started at Cudlee Creek.
It looked for a while that we here at Mt Barker were in the gun
With spot fires a couple of ks. away.
And I know Woodside was evacualted so I wonder how #3 Graeme is doing there..
But around five PM a change arrived and the wind dropped.
At 9.30 pm the wind is now a South Westerly
And the fire is moving North East towards places like
Birdwood, Mt Pleasant, Eden Valley & Springton.
Still uncontrolled !
Of course the ABC has been propagandising
That the changing climate did it !
Bloody Horse poop !
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Thanks for the news Bill. I was wondering about Graeme No.3, and of others I know who live in the hills. There was a brief spot of rain in my area accompanying a “dry” thunderstorm around 3pm.
Jo – will get to it on the weekend!
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I’ve had an email from Graeme since then.
he’s home and safe.
But no power -due to the fires
And incidentally no power means
Limited SA Water pumps working.
A bed elsewhere may have been appreciated.
But I did not have the option
Mt Barker was a potential target as well
When he evacuated Woodside.
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19 Dec: ITV: Press Association: Met Office: 2020 set to be latest in series of Earth’s warmest years
Dr Doug Smith, Met Office research fellow, said: “The forecast for 2020 would place next year amongst the six warmest years on record, which would all have occurred since 2015.
“All of these years have been around 1.0C warmer than the pre-industrial period.”
Dr Nick Dunstone, an expert in climate variability at the Met Office, added: “Although the earth has warmed by about 1C on average since pre-industrial times, this isn’t spread evenly over the surface of the globe as much of the warming is occurring in the Arctic and over land masses.”…
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-19/met-office-2020-set-to-be-latest-in-series-of-earths-warmest-years/
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Jo did you see the interview of some climate activist on prime time Sky News UK.Total garbage and no dissenting voice on broadcast … 10 mins ago
Absolute dereliction of impartiality
Dont know how they get away with it ?Ofcom
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The cancer is spreading even to Sky News here in Australia but hasn’t taken over completely as yet. Sky News continues to push the line the current bush fires are the worst ever and caused by all time record temperatures, both points being a total lie. We know we had worse fires and higher temperatures in the past, not necessarily at the same time.
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At the ABC News link I posted below it made me laugh when I read BoM questioning the location the temperature gauges in the 1896 heatwave.
With due consideration for the present day BoM locations covered here from time to time.
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Sky news at least give you two sides to the same story and ultimately what is reality , something you will never get on any other channel.
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Done, a few chocolates for Xmas
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We sent some chocolates a few days ago…don’t eat them too quickly Jo!
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It’s fun donating to Jo. You feel a buzz from ignoring the media bullies while supporting a much needed blog.
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Done.
Thanks for all that you do to help return sanity to the climate discussion.
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100 chocolates sent your way via paypal using visa.
Appreciate all that you and David do for so very many people all over the world.
Merry Christmas 🙂
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Done. More to come later.
Thank you Jo for your efforts.
All the best.
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BoM in damage control;
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-21/1896-heatwave-killed-435-climate-scientists-cant-compare-today/11809998
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Love it! Damage control indeed. Love the bit about “average temperatures across Australia were lower in 1896 than they were this year”. That would be the average temperatures of where exactly? Do they include the made-up temperatures of the Simpson Desert, Karatha? Thought not!
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It’s now been officially denied. Therefore the BoM really agrees 1896 was worse!
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Merry Christmas Joanne.
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Seems we have the Bolshevik Collective running scared…..
The last line of the article quoted here is an absolute hoisted-on-own-petard howler…..
Apparently only Klimut Chunge can be so bad as this……nothing else can be so bad…4 legs good, 2 legs bad and all that nonsense.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-21/1896-heatwave-killed-435-climate-scientists-cant-compare-today/11809998
“435 people died in an 1896 heatwave — but scientists say the extreme heat events of today are still hotter
“In the late 19th century, Australia was struck by a heatwave so intense that 435 people were killed and hundreds more were sent fleeing for their lives.
“The 1895-1896 heatwave during the Federation Drought holds the record as Australia’s deadliest heatwave, closely followed by 2009, which recorded at least 432 heat-related deaths.
“The town of Bourke lost at least 40 people — 1.6 per cent of its population — during the 1896 event, while Sydney authorities reported hospitals at breaking point and pedestrians collapsing in the streets.
“Newspaper reports describe temperatures in Bourke reaching 48.9 degrees Celsius on three occasions, and the maximum temperature remaining above 38C for 24 consecutive days.
“As Australia endures a series of intense and record-breaking heatwaves this summer, the 1896 event is sometimes viewed as evidence that Australia has always experienced extraordinary heat, and that the effects of climate change are overblown.
“But climate scientists say that is an oversimplification, and the heatwaves we experience today are significantly hotter than those in the past.
“‘The town is panic-stricken’
“In January 1896, the Bourke Western Herald chronicled the rapid deaths of dozens of residents from heat-related conditions, warning that “living in Bourke under present conditions is … suicide”.
“”Since last Friday no less than 14 additional deaths have taken place in and around Bourke, all of which were at least accelerated by the continuous excessive heat,” the newspaper noted.
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“Australia’s three hottest years all happened since 2005
“The Bureau of Meteorology has listed 2013 as Australia’s hottest year on record, followed by 2005 and 2018.
“But 1896’s sweltering temperatures remain a common event often pointed to by climate sceptics
“The temperature recording methods used in 1896 were flawed
Methods of recording temperature were not standardised until the early 1900s, leading to inflated temperature readings before then.
“The global standard for temperature measurement includes the use of a Stevenson screen, which is a white louvred box allowing ventilation and ensuring thermometers inside are never exposed to the sun.
“A Stevenson screen was not installed in Bourke until August 1908, meaning temperature readings from before that could be inflated by as much as 2C.
“University of Melbourne climate researcher Linden Ashcroft said thermometers in Bourke were likely placed in sub-standard conditions in 1896.
“”Some thermometers were under verandahs, or they were against stone buildings,” she said.
The last line ( above ) is a howler…..er BOM…why do you place themometers surrounded by ashphalt and next to aircon units?
Saul Alynskis own advice for his radicals – “Never go outside the expertise of your people”
Oh dear….fail……..
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At this time of seriously bad bushfires and wild fires the Climate Council (Tom Foolery) are working overtime to blame the Federal Government, even have a group of former State Fire Commissioners led by former NSW Commissioner Mullins, a member of the Climate Council, claiming climate change is the cause of the fires and issuing rather silly accusations about NSW Government cutting budget funding for fire fighting services. That is a fabrication and relies on ignoring all expenses including disaster relief spending factors, in fact the 2019/20 NSW State Budget increased for both city and rural services, the latter significantly increased.
NSW Government purchased a customised Boeing 737 tanker fire bombing aircraft that can carry passengers when necessary. A DC10 fire bomber has been chartered and the aircraft fleet is formidable. Please note that the NSW Government Budget pays for fire fighting services because that is a state government area of responsibility, not federal.
Yet the climate change hoaxers tried to denigrate our PM because he declined a request from them to meet him for discussions on the likely seriously bad bushfire season they claim they predicted last April 2019. Well so did the present day Fire Commissioner and his colleagues, and the NSW Government heeded their advice. The Climate Council is performing another political theatre stunt.
Tom Foolery has a long track record of deceptive commentary, like the Sydney Opera House would be underwater by Year 2000.
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Regarding the Federal Government and bushfire fighting, Australian Defence Force aircraft and vehicles have been assisting the fire fighters with logistics support delivery people and provisions as needed, but ADF fire fighters are not trained for bushfires, and are few in number located at ADF bases to deal with any fire situation there.
The Minister for Defence has just announced that more Army and Navy Helicopters are being deployed for fire bombing purposes and Army Engineers are on the job with earthmoving equipment cutting fire breaks.
But the Prime Minister went on pre-Christmas family holiday for a week, with little mention from ABC/MSM that the Deputy Prime Minister is Acting PM. And therefore no mention of the heavy schedule the PM has during January including a meeting in India regarding closer relations and trade, one of the Commonwealth of Nations member countries that the UK is seeking to renew trade and relations with post Brexit. A trade group of countries that will be joined by the US and Japan. A very significant step forward for the Australian economy and future economic prosperity.
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Morrison should have appointed Abbot
PM ‘Pro tem’
While he was on holiday.
Now that would have been excellent
Abbot could have been PM of Australia
From the fire front in NSW !
Imagine all the inner city Geenists
Gagging in frenzy over their lattes & tempeh burgers !
Wonderful !
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The dingbats at BoM are so imbued with their own importance that they believe their data homogenisation has some relationship with reality. They completely disregard the expertise and diligence of the pioneers of weather records in Australia.
The dingbats sit in air-conditioned offices, remote from their measuring instruments, with world view dominated by their ABC. By contrast, the pioneers were out in the elements feeling what the weather was like; they experienced the weather first hand in every sense. I can imagine them weary from unrelenting heat but still keen to get the maximum reading for the day and the importance of observing and recording a new temperature record. Such an event would require a check and then check again before making the recording.
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Clean Energy Council (non government organisation) wants a new carbon tax introduced and is warning the Federal Government that investment in wind and solar will dry up unless something is done by the Government to encourage investment.
We all understand that unreliable energy is not cost effective or efficient, and that the real cost must take into account the feeder transmission lines, the land area required and the back up generators and storage costs. And that installed or nameplate capacity is theoretical, governments and others should be honest and use capacity factor when comparing with power stations.
I understand that the Federal RET and subsidies are being phased out, is that by 2022?
No wonder the merchant bankers, and other renewables investors donated to the Union funded GetUp activist organisation to campaign Independents against real Liberal and National MPs at the May 2019 Federal Election.
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Sorry, source The Weekend Australian newspaper.
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In answer to this question:
The RET is essentially met. The subsidies will continue till 2030. The federal rooftop subsidy is being progressively phased out since 2015 and will be non existent by 2030. This is an up front payment on the calculated production from the present year to 2030. A 6kW system installed now in Melbourne would be assumed to produce 88MWh to 2030 so gets up front subsidy of around $3200 from Federal Government. Some states offer additional benefits.
Retailers will not need to buy LGCs after 2030. While any new intermittent generators can produce LGCs and sell them, their value will diminish with time to reach zero by 2030. So the subsidy value is already declining for large scale intermittent generators.
So called “policy certainty” simply means to increase the target. That rekindles the upward price on LGCs and STCs.
I think most politicians are beginning to realise that more intermittent generation will not reduce electricity prices. You would have to be a true dingbat to believe that intermittents lower prices but are only economic to install if they are subsidised.
There seems to be this never ending cycle of forecasting that power prices will reduce by $x per household in two years but this year the retailers send out notice to say prices going up y%. I doubt where we will ever see the reverse – forecasts for increased prices 2 years out but next year retailers offer price reduction.
Who has been given notice of 2020 electricity price increase?
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Rick
We can only hope that proper sense prevails. I think that people are slowly waking up to understand that solar does not deliver all the time! Sounds stupid but people seem to have taken a while to understand night time = zero power from solar!!!
The Clean Energy Council are just a front for snake oil salesmen from merchant banks et al who want govt $$$ (actually yours and mine) to continue the con.
One last point, solar panels degrade steadily over time. That “200MW solar farm” will never deliver this in the first place but in 20 years time the output will only be at an absolute max of 130MW and even as low as 100MW, depending on whether their Chinese supplier actually sold them good panels or not… But the engineers who run coal fired plants can usually end up getting more out of the old girl via tweaks and know how best to run it – giving more than the name plate in 20 years time…
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Paris Accord destroyed! (my latest thinking)
COP 25: Paris Accord destroyed
https://www.cfact.org/2019/12/19/cop-25-paris-accord-destroyed/
“Action Now!” radicalism has destroyed the slow moving, consensus based Paris Agreement. It is not just COP 25 that failed; the UN climate change machinery has collapsed. This is good news, even though the reason is bad news.
I have been writing about the climate alarmism movement tearing itself apart for months now. For example here.
The new radicalism is at war with the establishment moderates. This great gulf between radicals and moderates hit the COP 25 summit in Madrid with a vengeance. These annual summits are normally protracted exercises in compromise among the almost 200 nations represented. Not this time.
In Madrid the Action Now! radicals would not even consider compromise. Their extremism then caused the moderates to take hard line positions as well, so the COP stalled out and failed to act on any significant issue. That what the radicals demand is impossible did not help. The negotiating machinery ground to a noisy halt.
So now we have two very different versions of the alarmist rhetoric and a lot of people on each side. I call them the “Action Now!” hysterics (Greta, XR, etc.) and the moderates. The Paris Accord reflects the slow moving moderate view. It turns out that a lot of national delegations now take the hysterical view, especially the small island states and the Africans (both of which stand to make the most money).
You could see the breakdown coming on, as Madrid was hyped as the “action COP” when it was nothing of the sort. Even the COP leaders took part in this foolish rhetoric. Yet the sorts of radical national actions being called for were simply not on the agenda. I doubt the moderate negotiators on the ground in Madrid had the authority to even consider the radical’s hysterical demands for immediate drastic action.
Nor is such radical action on upcoming COP agendas. It is not part of the Paris Accord process and therein lies the problem for the Action Now! radicals. They demand what cannot happen.
The hysterics are calling for radical action at next year’s Glasgow COP at the latest. This is highly unlikely, to say the least.
In fact the harassed moderates in Madrid pointed out that most countries, including all of the major emitters, do not have to file new emission reduction plans until 2030. China and India, the first and fourth biggest emitters, have already said that is their intent. Additionally, their plans allow for unlimited emission increases until 2030, which is intolerable for the Action Now! hysterics.
America, the number two emitter, is certainly not going to file a radical action plan. U.S. membership in the Paris fiasco officially ends before the 2020 Glasgow COP begins in November.
If the Action Now! radicals continue their intransigence then the Paris Accord is essentially dead. This is almost certain to happen. Ironically the Paris Agreement has been killed by the irrational fear of climate change that spawned it in the first place. Is that cool or what?
The death of the silly Paris Accord is fine by me. My only real concern is that the hysterics might somehow do real damage. So far this seems unlikely, given that what they are demanding is impossible.
This is why I cherish the hysterics. They are wrecking the climate scare political movement. It is like I am fighting an enemy force and suddenly it is having an endless civil war. I am all for that.
A wild year looms! Happy holidays.
David
Climate Change Debate Education Project (http://ccdedu.blogspot.com)
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Thanks for that David, you’ve elaborated on a question I asked a few threads back on the types of believers there were at COP 25.
Never interrupt the enemy when they’re making a mistake, civil war indeed!
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More chocolates Jo, Merry Christmas.
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Jo
I don’t know if I’m an exception or there are others like me but I have always really appreciated everything that you have done for our cause and I believe that without people like yourself we face a rather bleak and expensive future. That being said I had never contributed to your site because I am a bit old fashioned and have a certain paranoia that if I make an innocent contribution on line and next thing I know my bank account is wiped out. I still feel comfortable receiving and writing cheques as a form of payment so you can imagine where I’m coming from. I have never purchased a product on line ( although I’m happy to let my kids do it.
Anyway I decided to bite the bullet and follow the instructions and make a contribution. What’s the worst can happen? Some mysterious character maxes out my credit card , the bank notifies me and I get my money back. However if I don’t JoNova one of my absolute favourite sites could close down, the warmists claim another victory and the world becomes more intolerable especially for my kids and the next generation.
So I urge every supporter of this website who thinks like me and has major anxiety about transferring funds on the internet . Just do it. It might make you feel good about yourself.
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What is your bank account name? Presumably Jo Nova?
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http://joannenova.com.au/about/donations/prefer-a-different-option/
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Surge in JoNova readership!
Recent days have seen a surge in the readership of this blog, averaging about 150 readers at any time.
Most readers are interested in the posts about previous heatwaves:
Extreme heat in 1896,
Hottest day ever in Australia, if you ignore history,
Forgotten History, 50 degrees everywhere in 1896.
In the mean time
The Age; 21Dec2019
The fact that we even have a debate about climate and energy in Australia is due, in large part, to this blog.
Donations are money well spent in my view.
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Some regulars here have been posting extracts from “JoNova” on various blogs.
More should do it.
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Hi Jo,
Was listening to Their ALPBC yesterday (I know, I said three Hail Mary’s) and they trotted
out the “old” Ozone Layer Hole again, but with CFC11.
I am just wondering if they are frightened that the “climate emergency”
is running out of puff and getting ready for the next “scare”.
My understanding about CFCs is that they are HEAVIER than air and
should have a hard time affecting the Ozone Layer.
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Well carbon dioxide is heavier than air, molecular weight 44 versus about 29 for the nitrogen and oxygen combination of air, but that hasn’t stopped idiots the like of John Kerry instructing us that it forms an insulating blanket over the atmosphere. Logic is not the strongest suit in the alarmists’ hand, in fact their entire cosmogony is built in defiance of it.
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Jo,
Cicmstances cause my contribution to be in kind and not in $$$.
Jo, you continue to perform magnificently and with global importance.
This might help – I suggest that all readers think hard, dig deep and assist Jo and family appropriate to your own means.
Jo has earned recognition for honest, high quality Science and dedicated hard work. Geoff S
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Hi jo, would be easier if you gave me your BSB number to my work email you have and i can give you a late xmas peesent.
Cheers & xmas beers
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Try here;
http://joannenova.com.au/about/donations/prefer-a-different-option/
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Merry Christmas Jo! some chocky coming.
I just caught this on their ABC.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-21/1896-heatwave-killed-435-climate-scientists-cant-compare-today/11809998
Who is in denial now! LOL
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Ironically That chart provided at the bottom of the story debunks their claim and gives clues to when our hottest years were .
Modern air conditioning did not exist for the majority until the 1970’s perhaps later , by did not exist I’m saying affordable and common in houses .
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on Sky’s “Front Page” last nite, they showed a pic of wind turbines idle in Victoria, posted by Peta Credlin, in which she references the following. however, I can’t find the pic on her FB page, or anywhere else, just now:
Victorians told to avoid using dishwashers, washing machines …
The Australian – 19 hours ago
Victoria and South Australia are sweltering today, but Saturday is shaping up to … “But it is sensible to not turn on your dishwasher and your washing machine…
20 Dec: Daily Mail: Turn off your dishwasher and washing machine NOW: Australians are urged to switch off their appliances to avoid power outages as temperatures rise
•Temperatures are forecast to soar to 44C in Melbourne on Friday afternoon
•Victorians are being urged to take pressure off the electricity grid
•Health Minister Jenny Mikakos said people should turn off their appliances
By Australian Associated Press
‘The experts assure us that we have sufficient energy supply for today,’ Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos told reporters.
‘But it is sensible to not turn on your dishwasher and your washing machine and all your electrical appliances on days like today.’…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7812327/Australians-urged-turn-dishwashers-washing-machines-temperatures-soar.html
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On leave without pay for 5 weeks. 🙂
But I’ve been a bad boy, being rude to the protected species. 😉
…. so Jo deserves the chocolates more than I do.
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this has now been finalised. leave out the CAGW-infested-invested opinions of Reuters, the NGOs & some States, and you are left with:
21 Dec: Reuters: U.S. rolls back standards on energy saving light bulbs
by Timothy Gardner
The Department of Energy said that increasing the efficiency of bulbs could cost consumers more than 300% compared to incandescent bulbs and that Americans do not need regulation because many are already buying efficient bulbs.
“The American people will continue to have a choice on how they light their homes,” said Energy Secretary Dan Brouillette…
The move is part of the administration’s push to ease regulations by requiring agencies to ditch two old regulations for each one they propose…
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-energy-lightbulbs/u-s-rolls-back-standards-on-energy-saving-light-bulbs-idUSKBN1YO270?il=0
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A light bulb moment.
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Pat,
we in Australia have chairman mal to thank for FORCING
Australians to use the new, more expensive bulbs that were
SUPPOSED to last eons longer…which hasn’t been the case in
my household.
chairman mal, gone, but not forgotten….
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I was pleased to read in The Weekend Australian (printed copy) this morning that like the US and some other UN member nations our Federal Government is no longer contributing to the IPCC funding demands.
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Have a Merry Xmas Jo and the Family.
Sent you chocolate in the shape of [snip] a hockey schtick. JK.
If I’d had more would have donated more as you are must read for us at least three times a week.
CJ.
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Thank you Capn. I love chocolates in any shape. And all help is gratefully received. Thank you!
Jo
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Truckload of chocolates sent.
Your efforts are greatly appreciated.
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Thank you so much to everyone here. It is a delight to see the names and notifications coming through. I don’t like asking and never assume the help will come.
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Perhaps some forget the costs you personally bear and are oblivious to the extant situation.
I’m guilty of being short sighted. And I apologize for that.
Thank you for letting all know that things needed a push.
We can’t have you leaving us, at all.
Wish the top of the page had a “Choky Jar” that showed from full to empty, the relative condition.
Absent that, I’ll be more diligent in recognizing that I owe your efforts a great deal and promise to do better. 🙂
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Thank you, you are very much appreciated.
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Of course in the society you so stridently advocate, when you have absolutely nothing of value to offer, begging becomes the only option…
Still, conning the willfully ignorant keeps paying you very well, so stop the whining and have another glass.
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Either you are on the wrong thread or website, or might be looking in a mirror.
Tell us what Keith Wilson advocates, what he offers of value, and what evidence of whatever con he thinks exists.
My money is on a Drive By Troll.
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The more the elections prove them wrong, the more strident and inarticulate they become.
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Yep.
As that wonderful critical thinker, Jennifer Oriel, so subtly put it in today’s “The Australian”:
🙂
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Seriously? I check this site occasionally to see what the willfully delusional are engaging in now (‘but, but, but, it’s been hot and dry before !’), however I cannot be bothered to relitigate established science for a rump of mental midgets who are now – literally; deservedly; and thankfully – being consigned to the Ash Heap of History.
If you have any more questions, see my earlier post about the – proving nothing – report of EV charger lineups & my response to Jo’s witty (or at least half-witted) reply:
If you were open to objective facts, e.g.
1) humans extracting and burning fossil fuels are responsible for dangerous increases in GHG’s and resultant accelerated climate change
2) that climate change represents an existential risk for our civilization
3) PV panels are now the lowest cost electrical energy source in the world
4) solar radiation can supply all of the electrical energy Australia will ever need from less land than coal mines now occupy
5) massive electrical storage is the only technical barrier to massive electrification – but even that is quickly becoming price competitive with fossil fuels and offers the long-term advantage of a decentralized mesh grid (and all those EV’s can also be storage and power sources)
..then perhaps you could be convinced.
of course you won’t be, because you aren’t actually an intellectually honest person anyway. you know the science, and as an educated scientist you know it is overwhelming. instead, you sell you soul for celebrity, and are happy to discard truth while spewing misinformation. celebrity is all that keeps you from disappearing as the irrelevant fraud you are.
you will continue to obsfucate and make ‘the perfect the enemy of the good’, and your ultimate legacy will be to be forever known as the idiot who denied the obvious.
that’s 3 minutes of my life i’ll never get back
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Keith, delighted you visit here, even rarely. You are free to post as much evidence here as you’d like. You might want to check your definition of a “fact” though. It may be a “fact” that a foreign committee paid to find a crisis say they have found one, but scientists deal in observations, not “opinion polls”.
Re fact 3 — Name one country/state that has lots of solar panels and ALSO has cheap retail electricity. You won’t find it. Not in history, not now, but I can name scores that had coal power and cheap power. Brown coal wholesale is 3c/KWh. Solar is “free” for a few hours and sends the nation broke the rest of the day/year.
I see you can’t name one “fact” I get wrong, but do quote me when you do…
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if the issue of accelerating climate change weren’t so urgent, reading this website and the looney tunes it propagates would really be great for the chuckles … such a crop of wacko’s that it really should be seen as a comedy festival. unfortunately, future generations won’t have the luxury of laughing when they read it. more likely they won’t even piss on your grave to extinguish the flames.
peddling your conspiracies about a “foreign” “paid” “crisis” based on “opinion polls” has certainly worked – and most importantly, paid handsomely – for you, but it well documented that you are an intellectual fraud and con artist. the sick irony of you accusing them of being “paid” is lost on no person with critical thinking skills, although those are clearly in short supply here.
anyone willing to do a search on your name will instantly find the litany of detailed and documented rebuttals of the trash you and your acolytes spew. but you already know that, so you can’t dispute 1 or 2, and instead you keep yourself to your own controlled environment, eschew scientific peer review, and continue to milk the suckers who can’t quite deal with dissonance of both being, and seeing, the problem.
as for PV costs – in your usual slippery way you have distorted my 3rd fact to suggest it should be a comparison of currently scaled technology – which i do not claim. try (please) to think forward – it’s a concept called progress. do look that up.
buggy whip factories are not a growth industry either… although if there were a dollar to make promoting them, i’m certain you would.
of course pre-existing legacy technologies and infrastructures have the advantage – just as buggy’s & hay once did over ICE vehicles and gasoline. however, the ten-fold decrease in solar panel cost in the past decade and their rising efficiencies (with so much more just now entering mass manufacturing) ARE meeting or beating the cost of coal (without even pricing in the nasty ‘externalities’ of GHG’s).
to whit:
https://www.energyglobal.com/solar/12082019/portugal-awards-worlds-lowest-cost-solar-pv-contract/
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6449/108
https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2018/12/03/plunging-prices-mean-building-new-renewable-energy-is-cheaper-than-running-existing-coal/#3b5166f231f3
https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-now-cheaper-than-grid-electricity-in-every-chinese-city-study-finds
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2019/10/17/cheapest-solar-energy-in-the-world/#ea82da047727
be assured that i wouldn’t quote you if it were the act that would save my life. the past few days of occasional dips into what is posted here have convinced me that the investiture in delusion actually defies rational conversation – and i’m seriously disappointed in myself for indulging you with another 10 minutes of my life.
tomorrow we’ll be back to clearing brush in the increasingly faint hope we can save our homes, but while i’m here i’d like to suggest you consider another concept called responsibility. you should look that up too. then take full ownership of your own externalities – instead of continuing to treat our paper-thin atmosphere as a limitless sewer. route that harmless exhaust from your vehicle to the passenger compartment, and take a long drive.
[Well I’m shaking in my boots after that Skeptical Science link……And then the last two sentences!] ED
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Progress ain’t progress if people get poorer, can’t afford heating, die younger. Winter kills 6 – 20 times more than the worst of summer.
Keith, feel the hate. You’ve been wound up with lies by people trying to get rich. If you really care about the environment why not stick around and find out what makes skeptics tick? Perhaps you’ll convince us. Go for it…
The Bankers want global carbon trading. I suppose you think they care about the planet?
I’ve debunked Skeptical Science BTW: http://joannenova.com.au/2010/07/the-unskeptical-guide-to-the-skeptics-handbook/
He took two years and had 4 profs help. I took 4 days and he gave up and never replied. You have no idea how one sided this debate is until you read both sides.
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Keith is a solar energy snake-oil salesman.. Dodgy Bros would have a field day. 😉
Great for those few hours a day, USELESS any other time
And totally inefficient.
Here is the supply vs installed capacity curves for German solar.
Read it and LAUGH !!
What are you going to use for electricity on a cloudy day or for the 12+ hours a day when there is no sun?
Did you know that combined, Wind and Solar provided only 1.7% of Australia’s total energy usage last year.
Fossil fuels and derived products provided 93.8% of Australia’s total energy needs
Wind and solar are like CHILDREN’S TOYS,
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It is noted that in all your whole manic rancid ranting (quite hilarious though it was 😉 ), you never even attempted to produce any actual science to back up the very basis of your religious AGW cult scam brain-washing.
Now why would that be 😉
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Well Keith, I checked your Skeptical Science link just to see what SkS thought Jo had lied about. The first two hits in that search did not mention Jo at all. I can’t be bothered to check the rest, so I will conclude that SkS cannot find *anything*, which would have been my guess anyway.
The US$16/MWh PV contract awarded in Portugal is interesting, but without more details, I’d have to guess that both parties are going to be losing money. Solar panels cannot produce power profitably at that price today (my back-of-the-envelope calculation gives me about $140/MWh just for the panels), which tells me they are being subsidized, and utility buyers can only make those contracts work at all by guaranteeing purchases from PV providers at the PV provider’s whim (not when dispatch requires it). That imposes a LOT of external costs on the rest of the grid suppliers, which are of course not included, and instead are borne by electricity purchasers (regular citizens). Very misleading and underhanded of you!
And you are calling *us* the whackos? As others have said already, check the mirror…
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“I cannot be bothered to REGURGITATE established science FROM a rump of mental midgets”
Seems that you know that you have no science worthy of the name
Let’s start at the very basis, shall we.
Empirical proof of warming by increased atmospheric CO2.
Empty mindless comments is all you seem capable of.
Bring SCIENCE , not baseless AGW rhetoric.
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For the wilfully uneducated and unaware of the political world, a tiny bit of science.
Unfortunately, probably, those like you with clear minds would surely be unable to grab the significance of the straight line section of the graph in the link.
RKK
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http://joannenova.com.au/2019/12/what-id-really-like-for-christmas/#comment-2243316
D’missing Link,
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That’s him.
He’ll evolve.
That’s science.
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But Sam, he’s evolving into one of those dead end species.
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1) humans extracting and burning fossil fuels are responsible for dangerous increases in GHG’s and resultant accelerated climate change
No evidence of that except in fake models.
2) that climate change represents an existential risk for our civilization
Fantasy number 2. No evidence except with fake science.
3) PV panels are now the lowest cost electrical energy source in the world
4) solar radiation can supply all of the electrical energy Australia will ever need from less land than coal mines now occupy
Wacky Fantasy number 4..
Need 100% fossil fuel backup when they are covered in dust, soot, snow or there are clouds or its night time. Mining and manufacture would cause more CO2 that they would ever save.
5) massive electrical storage is the only technical barrier to massive electrification – but even that is quickly becoming price
Wacky idiotic comment number 5
There aren’t enough battery materials available to ever do that. Mining in Congo etc for lithium is slave labour, That much stored energy in one place is a disaster of explosive proportions, just waiting to happen.
Seems Keith has lived all his life in a nil-educated shell of far-left propaganda brain-hosing.
So long as they are heavily subsidised and have 100% fossil fuel backup when they are covered in dust, soot, snow or there are clouds or its night time.
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“you know it is overwhelming”
And you can’t produce even one real scientific paper to back up the very basis of the whole charade.. So funny ! 🙂
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Are you ok Keith? Just been let out out for Christmas, have seen?
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He’s on a supervised temporary humanitarian release.
That ankle bracelet must really hurt by now.
Keith and Fark must be clones.
Almost sounds like a Liberal Law Firm.
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Keith & Fark Lawyers.
– We make used car salesmen look good.
– First we lie on one side, then we lie on the other.
– A bad lawyer makes your case drag on for years. A good lawyer makes it last even longer.
– We welcome the lowest of suers.
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Farken keith has a nice ring to it
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“you have absolutely nothing of value to offer”
How introspective of you Keith.
Your life just flashed in front of you.
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“conning the willfully ignorant keeps paying you very well”
Are you a climate scientist, Keith ??
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Its a decision made by people of their own free will Keith, unlike your ABC that is a compulsory tax on every Australian and has treated its legislated charter like a toilet roll.
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In your case Keith its about time you put the bottle down mate, you’re making a damned fool of yourself.
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“words alone cannot express the bitter feelings of a torn soul, all twisted up inside..”
I hope the hatred doesn’t amplify and go anywhere from here.
We are all spiritual souls. Aham brahmasmi,
ॐ हरे कृष्ण ॐ
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20 Dec: AP: Activists cheer victory in landmark Dutch climate case
By MIKE CORDER
THE HAGUE, Netherlands — In a ruling hailed as an “immense victory for climate justice,” the Netherlands’ top court ruled Friday in favor of activists who have for years been seeking legal orders to force the Dutch government into cutting greenhouse gas emissions.
Activists in a packed chamber of the Supreme Court in The Hague erupted into applause and cheers as Presiding Judge Kees Streefkerk rejected the government’s appeal against earlier rulings ordering the government to cut emissions by at least 25% by the end of 2020 from benchmark 1990 levels.
The Supreme Court upheld lower courts’ rulings that protection from the potentially devastating effects of climate change was a human right and that the government has a duty to protect its citizens…
Urgenda, the Dutch climate and sustainability organization that filed the original case, hailed the ruling as “a groundbreaking decision that confirms that individual governments must do their fair share to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.”…
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet welcomed the ruling.
“This landmark ruling provides a clear path forward for concerned individuals in Europe — and around the world — to undertake climate litigation in order to protect human rights, and I pay tribute to the civil society groups which initiated this action,” she wrote in a statement…
Friday’s ruling came a day after Swiss authorities announced that environmental activists had collected enough signatures to force a referendum on setting specific goals for combating climate change in the Swiss constitution…
(Urgenda director Marjan) Minnesma said the problem of climate change is already clearly visible — citing the wildfires raging in Australia as an example — and things like risings seas pose a very real threat to the low-lying Netherlands…
https://apnews.com/5534fe18ac5352ba43c74c9a64d6a20a
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Did the court independently establish that atmospheric CO2 was capable of creating any heating effect specific to that has.?
Didn’t think so. Is the judge acting impartially as a judge or as an activist.
The Big clanger;
“citing the wildfires raging in Australia as an example “.
Every aware environmentalist knows that these “wildfires” have been caused by forty plus years of institutional neglect which, in the context of a wealth of past wisdom and experience, amounts to criminal action.
The science is there, CO2 increases do not lead to global warming.
Anyone unaware of the operation of the universal gas law up to 11,000 metres altitude only has to look up the lapse rate graphs for the atmosphere.
It is a straight line, and that means that PV=nRT rulz.
It also means that CO2 doesn’t act independently of the gas as a whole.
How has the legal process been so easily subverted.
Should government be made accountable for this irregularity.
Who is running Western “Democracies” ?????????
It’s certainly not the voters/taxpayers.
KK
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Fig 14.5
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/adiabatic-lapse-rate
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Easy, just turn off any coal or gas fired electricity generation.
That’ll fix things 😉
It really is time the gas and coal suppliers started playing hard-ball !
Maybe get society to WAKE UP
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Must be done, too hot for power stations now.
sarc.
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Wildfires raging in Australia, during the annual fire season commenced late Spring and through to Autumn, heatwave days normal this time of the year.
Decades of lack of land management resulting in huge fuel loads building up until the perfect fire storms flared up.
And the climate change gravy train takes advantage by scare mongering and not explaining the facts.
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I read that 98 arsonists have so far been charged; just in Queensland.
Penalties are nothing like the damage inflicted. Does the law not permit locking people up for psychological assessment to make sure that they are not a continuing danger to the public?
Lots of juveniles. Possibly psychologically abused by being fed apocalyptic, doomsday scenarios.
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Seeing that their ‘firechiefs for climate action’ didn’t do it, they’ve taken fuel reduction into their own hands. (sarc)
Cheers,
Bill
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Either that, or they’re their running dogs.
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Well the Dutch have long had a tradition of being dopey.
This means nothing !
Wait till the farmers there block the roads and cities again
Then maybe some common sense will emerge again
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Not a problem Bill, there are supermarkets in the cities.
lol
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Hi Jo, small donation on the way. I make it in the hope that through your ongoing hard work the great climate scam can be laid to rest Graham
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One thing that is pleasing is that a number of new contributors have joined the site.
Peter FitzRoy.
Michael 262.
Screaming NB.
Strangling something or other, and, on the other side, that queue over in the distance.
Thanks for your contributions and for sharing the load.
It makes it lighter when shared.
SKK.
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Despite making use of the blog to try to spread their mental disease,
… I bet none of them has contributed any chocolate.
ie, their positive contributions to the blog remain between nothing and zero.
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Andy, I’m sure that they would have social conscience.
Wouldn’t they?
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That’s a bit like saying “all serial killers are not psychopaths”.
Reassurance in the guise of an intellectual double negative.
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20 Dec: The Hill: Why Donald Trump will win 2020
By Jenny Beth Martin
(Jenny Beth Martin is the honorary chairman of Tea Party Patriots Action)
“I am concerned that if we do not impeach this president, then he will get reelected,” Democratic Representative Al Green of Texas said this spring, explaining his support for impeaching President Trump, long before the phone call with the Ukrainian President Zelensky that is at the heart of the current saga. Given all the accomplishments of the White House to date, it is easy to see why so many Democrats share that sentiment with Green…
Start with the state of the economy…Since Trump took office, more than seven million new jobs have been created. Unemployment has fallen from 4.8 percent to 3.5 percent, with African American and Hispanic unemployment at historic lows…Even with the largest workforce in our history, there are more job openings looking for employees to fill them than prospective employees looking for jobs…
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/475457-why-donald-trump-will-win-2020
even CNN found the following, tho they end up saying Biden, Sanders would beat Trump in 2020 and Warren is tied with him!
20 Dec: CNN: CNN Poll: US economy receives its best ranking in nearly 20 years
by Grace Sparks
As 2019 comes to a close, the US economy earns its highest ratings in almost two decades, potentially boosting President Donald Trump in matchups against the Democrats vying to face him in next year’s election, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.
Overall, 76% rate economic conditions in the US today as very or somewhat good, significantly more than those who said so at this time last year (67%). This is the highest share to say the economy is good since February 2001, when 80% said so.
Almost all Republicans (97%) say economic conditions are good right now, as do 75% of independents and 62% of Democrats…
Looking ahead, nearly 7 in 10 expect the economy to be in good shape a year from now (68%), the best outlook in CNN polling since December 2003…
21 Dec: HuffPo: Elizabeth Warren’s Climate Plan Would Create Up To 10.6 Million Jobs, Study Finds
The Massachusetts senator’s growing arsenal of Green New Deal proposals amounts to an industrial policy that could scale quickly, new research shows.
By Alexander C. Kaufman
The study, by the left-leaning think tank ***Data for Progress, calculated that the Massachusetts senator’s plan to spend $3 trillion on clean energy and transitioning the military and other federal programs away from fossil fuels would create at least 5.4 million jobs over the next decade. But that number could top 10.6 million when counting the way her proposalscould ramp up domestic manufacturing of batteries and renewable-energy hardware that could be exported…
The research draws on the work of economists ***Ha-Joon Chang of Cambridge University and the late ***Alice Amsden of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, whose work show that an active industrial policy like the Green New Deal “has as a rule been associated with economic success stories and development ‘miracles’ historically”. Using prior analysis from the Economic Policy Institute, the study projects how new federal goals would increase demand in specific sectors…
The measures still represent roughly half the investment Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Warren’s chief progressive rival for the nomination, has vowed to make. He has proposed spending $16.3 trillion in direct federal funding on a Green New Deal that would, by some estimates, create 20 million jobs…
At Thursday night’s Democratic debate, Sanders shone on climate, generating huge applause with forcefully delivered answers to tough questions on the climate crisis…
https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/elizabeth-warren-climate-change-plan-democratic-debate_n_5dfc48dee4b05b08bab2c3aa?ri18n=true
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some background on HuffPo mentions:
***Data for Progress: Who we are
Sean McElwee, Co-founder and Executive Director
His writing has been featured in The New York Times, The Atlantic, Vox and The Washington Post and is frequently quoted in those publications on progressive policy and strategy…
Prior to co-founding Data for Progress, Sean was a policy analyst at Demos, where he led the development of new research methods to study racial equity and democracy reforms…
Julian Brave NoiseCat, Vice President of Policy & Strategy
Julian has advised Senators, Members of Congress and Presidential candidates on racial justice, climate policy and economic inequality…
Julian has deep ties to the Indigenous and climate justice movements…
His writing has been recognized by the Livingston Awards and Canadian National Magazine Awards and has appeared in The New Yorker, The Guardian, The Paris Review and many other publications…
Brittany Bennett, Development Director
She is has worked for Engineers for a Sustainable World, New Era Colorado, the Sunrise Movement, and SustainUS.
Fellows
Kate Aronoff
Senior Fellow Kate Aronoff is a Brooklyn-based fellow at the Type Media Center and a contributing writer for The Intercept covering climate and American politics…and the author of The New Denialism…
Among other outlets, her writing has appeared in The Guardian, Rolling Stone, In These Times, Dissent and Harpers.
https://www.dataforprogress.org/who-we-are
InfluenceWatch: Data for Progress
Data for Progress is a left-of-center public opinion research group. It is a project of Tides Advocacy, a 501(c)(4) nonprofit organization. Data for Progress was founded by Sean McElwee, a political activist who also co-founded the far-left immigration agitation group AbolishIce…
Data for Progress supports far-left policies, including Medicare-for-All, the Green New Deal, and the dismantling of U.S. Immigration Customs and Enforcement (ICE)…
Coalition Memberships
Green New Deal Coalition.
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/data-for-progress/
Wikipedia: ***Ha-Joon Chang is a South Korean institutional economist, specialising in development economics. Currently a reader in the Political Economy of Development at the University of Cambridge…He has served as a consultant to the World Bank, the Asian Development Bank, the European Investment Bank, as well as to Oxfam and various United Nations agencies. He is also a fellow at the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, D.C. In addition, Chang serves on the advisory board of Academics Stand Against Poverty (ASAP)…
Chang’s contribution to heterodox economics started while studying under Robert Rowthorn, a leading British ***Marxist economist…
Wikipedia: ***Alice Amsden: Born in New York City, Amsden received her undergraduate degree from Cornell University and her PhD from the London School of Economics…
In addition to teaching and writing, she was a consultant to the World Bank, OECD and various organizations within the United Nations…
In 2009, she was appointed by the United Nations secretary-general to a 3-year seat on the U.N. Committee on Development Policy, a subsidiary of the U.N. Economic and Social Council…
In 2012, Amsden died suddenly at her home in Cambridge at the age of 68…
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Mmmm, noticed that Peter Fitzroy is quiet on this thread, but as we all know, Jo is paid by big oil.
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Considering the way Mr Fitzroy cops it here I hope hes in the pay of big lube……
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Mmmm, noticed that Peter Fitzroy is quiet on this thread, but as we all know, Jo is paid by big oil.
Hmm! Does that make those here at Joanne’s site who have made contributions part of this ‘Big Oil’.
Cue Curly
Tony.
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Hi Tony, surely they’d be happy to donate to keep Jo’s website alive so they can keep on trolling, eh?
I’m surprised that the likes of PF etc haven’t donated heavily to keep their options open. Without us climate farkalarkalarkaling schweppervescents where would they be?
They’d have nowhere to go.
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Tony, your contributions are huge, a hinge point and greatly admired by me and no doubt many others. Also, I admire Jo’s attitude re giving PF free reign – give them enough rope and they’ll hang themselves. The part we don’t see is them choking on their own words
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Was thinking of subscribing to a news service, but Jo’s work is better value.
I’m hoping that Scorched Almonds wouldn’t be in bad taste?
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Investment in solar and wind farms drying up
The Australian – 18 hours ago
A sharp slump in new investment in wind and solar farms will continue unless a price is put on carbon or the Renewable Energy Target is extended beyond next year, the Clean Energy Council warns…
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Yes…it would appear it translates to “unless someone can agree a subsidy price for bird shredders, its not worth the hassle of organizing them as tax deductions….or something…..”
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sad news from Scotland:
20 Dec: Energy Voice: BiFab yard to be mothballed despite firm cutting losses by £42m
by David McPhee
But the last remaining staff at the firm will today lose their jobs just days before Christmas.
GMB Union senior organiser Louise Gilmour last night penned an angry letter to Scotland’s Secretary of State, Andrew Jack.
She described the situation for BiFab as “a complete failure” by government to secure a reasonable share of industrial supply chain-work for Scottish firms.
She also accused offshore wind developers in Scotland of “shipping off” lucrative fabrication contracts abroad…
Ms Gilmour claimed the current “legacy” of offshore wind in Scotland is “empty fabrication yards” and wind turbine parts that are “shipped to our shores from Europe, the Far East and the Middle East”.
The Scottish Government refused to comment.
https://www.energyvoice.com/otherenergy/214418/bifab-yard-to-be-mothballed-despite-firm-cutting-losses-by-42m/
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Ho, yes.
There’s jobs in them there renewables, Jock, me old pipe-blower.
The jobs of the future. All piss and wind.
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Are you thinking that they got what they deserved and that the politicians who put people out of work in favour of EEU workers might have trouble at the next erection?
KK
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No.
They deserved better. But the cowardly and ignorant politicians have let them down again.
Hopefully Boris will do better; for them and Great Britain.
Hopefully.
I wish you a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year.
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On DSP but that doesn’t stop me – all the more reason to donate seeing as my pension comes from the Govt – just redirecting a little bit to you
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Merry Christmas Jo. I sent you some Chocolates for Christmas.
I am pleased to help in my small way so you can keep up the good fight.
Cheers
Diane
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Happy Xmas to you and your family, Jo. Sending a mini-bar of choc though yr true dessert’s a mega load for what you do keeping the torch of free enquiry burning.
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Jo and David, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year for 2020.
The Jones family…..sceptics all!
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Yes I can help you. Post should read:
“If you can help me, I can say more
thethings…..or, “more of the things..”
Pardon my pedantics…,
in the pursuit of correct Manglish…
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No I’m not.
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Merry Christmas all.
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Love your work Jo and David ❤❤❤
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Merry Christmas Jo and David.
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Roll up….roll up……..to the Climate Change Bandwagon! One bottle of this amazing elixir will save you from climate change, gout, and the common cold! Yir children and grandchildren will thank ya. We call it ‘Paris Agreement’. It aint cheap but no scam is, I mean but it’s worth it. Why we’ll even throw in a free T-Shirt signed by ya favourite celebrity! Roll up….roll up.
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What a joke. The biggest free-loader out there trying to avoid actually working for a living by sponging off her gullible readers. Seriously, just how much does it cost to write a blog post every day or so? Someone with integrity would be able to hold down an actual job while doing so. I pity the poor fools who don’t have the critical thinking skills or scientific literacy to see through the distortions and misinformation presented here and have been parted from their hard earned cash by a common con-artist.
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Two full-time workers here who can only keep writing / researching thanks to help from readers. Once upon a time we both worked for the government — boy that was well paid, easy money in comparison.
Feel free to explain all my distortions and misinformation… go right ahead.
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precautionary principle is vital, necessary (even to CO2 issue); thx for your work
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How’s your dole holding out, disgusted. !?
You could of course argue with SCIENCE, if you had any. 😉
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High EQ, Low IQ ie Emo,
Just like a few others who posted here.
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As repeated very often, people show support of THEIR OWN FREE WILL, I know its a tough concept for the weak minded that can only exist by following but try to remember the one time in your life you actually made and acted on a decision that didn’t involve government influence.
Disgusted is quite apt for that is what a growing number of Australians are of the spineless performances of the elected and the people (this is you BTW) that encourage or enable this destruction of a nation that showed so much promise, I find it beyond hypocrisy that your ilk are so outraged by democracy, Christianity and capitalism that instead of immigrating to a country that opposes such beliefs and living the Utopian ideal you imagine is so fair and inclusive you instead play the eternal rebellious student that talks a big game while reaping the spoils of everything you oppose.
Try throwing your social justice tantrums in the centre of Tehran and see how welcome they are to open debate, or free speech, or QWERTY rights, or public criticism of their rulers, or their religion, our system isn’t perfect but its a lot better than the alternative.
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Here Here Yonnie!
Disappear Disgusted or, alternatively, back up your offensive assertions about distortions and misinformation;
High IQ required if you take up the challenge.
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He’s just a random AGW green-sludge-for-brain bot !
Oozing green slime.
Cannot argue with any actual science.
Disgusting, he certainly is.
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‘Disgusted’: perhaps you’d care to present your reasons for thinking that we’re facing global disaster due to dangerous man-made warming of the globe (aka ‘climate change’)?
You say that you “pity the poor fools who don’t have the critical thinking skills or scientific literacy to see through the distortions and misinformation presented here” – but on the contrary, it’s those who have a scientific background who see through the nonsense peddled by the media scaremongers, alarmists, and second-rate scientists – and aren’t afraid to challenge it, because they’re used to debate and aren’t intimidated.
You are trying to give the impression in your condescending post that you are very knowledgeable and scientifically literate. If so, you shouldn’t have any difficulty producing something to back up your views for discussion here.
Here’s something real world data for you – graphs of UK temperatures, rainfall and sunshine going back to 1910 from the UK’s Met Office:
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/uk-temperature-rainfall-and-sunshine-time-series
Where is there any suggestion of anything remotely resembling dangerous change?
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Merry Christmas Jo & David,
Thank-you for all you have done.
Kitty Werthmann explained how Austria submitted to the Totalitarians:
I am a witness to history.
“I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history.
“We voted him in.”
Kitty goes on to explain why the Totalitarian is attracted to Fascism:
“We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables.
“ Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn’t meet all the demands.
“Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.
You are standing for the freedom we enjoy. I am sorry I cannot buy more than 100 chocolates, we are using what we have to help a group of small Dairy farms threatened by drought. I can justify the $100 dollars to you as it is in my opinion the best expenditure to ensure a future for their industry against the Fascists that have marched through our institutions.
Keep up your excellent journalism and all the best for the New Year.
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Thanks for that insight.
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Donation made.
Many thanks Jo to you and your team, and for all the hard work and research produced during the years.
Have a very Merry Christmas and looking forward to an increased strengthening of interest, and contributions in 2020.
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Jo
Just added to the tip jar.
In particular I love your facts about the BOM and their ridiculous attempts to distort our climate record. Keep showing up these con artists.
To be a climate catastrophist one must leave ones brain at the door…
As an older engineer and one who used to know power plant engineers and operators from when I lived in the NSW Central West, they did a great job then and were particularly concerned about being able to deliver power 100% of the time. The new renewable operators (there cannot be an engineer among them) actually want high prices and high power price volatility – which is the complete opposite of the old way, and the opposite of what the grid and this country needs…
Hope you are in touch with Senator Gerard Rennick, as he is well aware of the BOM and needs as much info as possible…
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IPCC Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change
GCM General Circulation Model (many, based on IPCC CO2 assertions)
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These eight links from five authors are all you really need to understand global warming.
My speculation: As the temperature went down into the Little Ice Age, limestone was deposited around the edges of bodies of water. As the temperature has recovered since, the limestone dissolved and added CO2 to the oceans, with a delay of 300-400 years. It was just an accident that this added CO2 coincided with our industrial revolution. Temperature creates CO2, not the other way around. There is proof of that. Read on.
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Pangburn
Shows that temperature change over the last 170 years is due to 3 things: 1) cycling of the ocean temperature, 2) sun variations and 3) moisture in the air. There is no significant dependence of temperature on CO2.
https://globalclimatedrivers2.blogspot.com/
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Connolly father & son
Shows the vertical temperature profile follows the ideal gas laws and is not caused by CO2. Millions of weather balloon scans and trillions of data points have been analyzed to come to these conclusions. One important conclusion is that there is no green house gas effect.
https://globalwarmingsolved.com/2013/11/summary-the-physics-of-the-earths-atmosphere-papers-1-3/
utube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfRBr7PEawY
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Pat Frank
Shows that GCM results cannot be extrapolated a few years, let alone 50 or 100.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/feart.2019.00223/full
and
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/15/why-roy-spencers-criticism-is-wrong/
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Joe Postma
Shows that the “flat earth model”of the IPCC is too simple. Their real models are built into the GCMs which don’t fit the real data.
https://climateofsophistry.com/2019/10/19/the-thing-without-the-thing/
https://climateofsophistry.com/2019/09/05/real-climate-physics-vs-fake-political-physics/
https://principia-scientific.org/webcast-no-radiative-greenhouse-effect/
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We got DSL (broadband – after POTS modem) in September of 2008.
One of the first things I found was a post by Edward Blick called
“UN Infects Science with Cancer of Global Warming”
. . . usually cited as the EdBlickRant
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/EDBLICKRANT.pdf
It is 19 pages, well worth reading. (I haven’t done so today.)
On Jo’s post today there have been at least two “rants.”
These have been information free.
If you have the time, read Ed Blick’s rant and compare to those of this post.
Just saying . . .
On a kinder gentler note:
Holiday greetings to all – daylight getting longer! (for us)
Merry Christmas and Happy New year.
John & Nancy
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Hitran, using Quantum Mechanics, calculates the relative influence of water vapor and CO2 on planet warming.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECWhyyDUYAA1P89?format=jpg&name=medium
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The CO2 shown there is at the more powerful end of the frequency spectrum, but given the fact that UV would be way off to the right, it probably doesn’t matter.
KK
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KK,
Good call! Shame on me for missing that before going public. It appears that the line-lengths should each be multiplied by either its wave number or its wavenumber squared. What makes sense to you?
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” it probably doesn’t matter.”
Merry Christmas
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Thanks, and Merry Christmas to you.
The WV/CO2 influence decreased from 37 to 10. Updated assessment is at https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.com
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Looks good, but too much at Christmas.
Agriculture, really, they want to find a way to blame us.
🙂
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Jo,
Iove your blog(s) especially the links to factual reference.
A recent indirect link lead me to a quote from Lord Christopher Monckton to the US Congress;
“The right response to the non-problem of global warming is to have the courage to do nothing”.
What a classic statement! Pity our elected climate policy regulators don’t have ‘courage’!
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merry Christmas https://aumladder.blogspot.com/2019/12/will-mundipharma-addict-more-than.html
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China sends regards https://aumladder.blogspot.com/2019/12/cheng-jingye-claimed-mass-detention-in.html
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Thank you, Jo. Fine American chocolates sent!
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One of the interesting issues about subsidies for silly energy projects is that compete, in government, with everything else.
Over a period of time, funding priorities will reveal much truth.
Why are subsidies for alternative energy fading?
Look to the immediacy of political motivation.
In many jurisdictions, backfilling underfunded public employee pension funds has risen to the number one priority, albeit one that is
not always trumpeted to the skies.
Direct subsidies of those of us on the dole is number two…in the US social security, medicare, and other nominally self-supporting programs that
have gone negative on cash flow.
Infrastructure; much of the money for bird shredders and sun reflectors cam from funds, and labor previously allocated to roads and bridges. Failure of these
reflects directly on government; potholes and lack of prompt snow removal are direct signs of government failure.
Progressive ideologies are straining the traditional coalitions in the center left, and “bought” voting blocks may need to be re-purchased. Hasty legislation and unintended consequences can be very disruptive. In some jurisdictions, population shifts are threatening public funding.
As people suffer the consequences of government, they need propping up. Direct subsidies to folks with high electric bills have more immediacy that subsidies to cronies building
wind farms.
The amazing thing is how little has been done on alternative energy. How quickly we adopted to flat screens, cell phones, wi-fi, and technical fabrics. All the while, most alternative energy languishes as demonstration projects and expensive failures. The market has rejected these “solutions” without needing to know whether the problems is real or not.
We vote with our feet, and pocketbooks. Most of us have smart cars now, with backup cameras and auto stop features. Not mandated by government. Few of us have electrics, characterized by far more announcements that sales, heavy subsidies not withstanding.
BY and large we are listening to bu****t but voting reality.
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From a Queensland perspective its good to see that the pipeline of solar projects appears to have dramatically dropped. The reason is uncertainty over govt subsidies and the fact that renewables snake oil salespeople may not be able to rely on rivers of cash from taxpayers to prop up their otherwise unviable projects.
Roll on the Oct 2020 election. If Labour loses, as they deserve to, then we can get back to reality rather than utter stupidity in this area.
Renewables are simply not ready to provide any more then small amounts of power to the grid. The best application I have seen is in remote mine sites where they already have the diesel generators there anyway. Then the finances add up, with solar being worthwhile to displace diesel fuel costs and generator maintenance. But they still have the ability to completely power the mine on the generators. In QLD we can completely power the grid, and some, on coal, but if Comrade Dan has his way then Vic will have to start relying on unreliable renewables if coal stations close, and pretty soon there will be a disaster…
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Here’s what anyone who would like to see or take part in a rational debate about the CO2 scare is up against:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooq_ZCmSIcY
Notice the pitying smirks of the brainwashed, the bias of the BBC , and the belief in ‘99% of scientists’- and the way that any dissenting view expressed by Piers Corbyn is simply ignored.
As I’ve said before, when sanity finally returns there’ll be plenty of PhD fodder for the social psychologists to research how it all happened.
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INFOGRAPHIC CHARTS ON CO2
https://www.ric-communications.ch/referenzen/simple-science.html
The whole climate debate is getting out of hand and too hyped up. The ignorance of the general public on CO2 and its importance as part of our atmosphere is why I created these infographic charts on CO2.
I’ll be adding more charts with more information on the topic.
DEAR JO
If you want to use these charts on you website for educational purposes I would make them available. My only request is that I be mentioned as the designer and author of the charts. 😉
Merry Christmas from Switzerland
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Excellent
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Raymond that has got to be the best ever graphic. I’m looking forward to seeing more charts.
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#77
Thanks
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