Over 300 “low emission” surveillance cameras stolen or damaged in London since April

By Jo Nova

The war on the poor has become a war on surveillance cameras

The ULEZ “Ultra Low Emission Scheme” in London will force drivers in outer London to pay a draconian £12.50 daily ULEZ fee when the scheme expands to their area from August 29th. But many of these people are poor and can’t afford to buy a new car or pay the fee. People who own diesel cars older than 2015 or petrol cars older than 2006 will have to pay the fees, so this will hurt the poorest people the most.  Not surprisingly, this is very unpopular, as it has a large impact on some people’s lives. Tradies are wondering if they should give up their business, and older people are already being forced to sell their cars. Healthcare workers on late night shifts may end up trying to get home to outer suburbs in the dead of night on sparse bus routes. Everyone inside the ULEZ zone will also end up paying more to get tradies from outside the zone to come into it.

This affects a lot of people, and perhaps as many as 850,000 vehicles registered in London are not compliant. The RAC says that “it will have a massive financial impact on motorists and businesses”.

Neil Garratt AM points out that while Sadiq Khan thinks the poorest Londoners don’t own a car the TfL (Transport for London) data shows that most do own a car, and they are more likely to own a car than the very highest income houses in inner London. (See the graph below).

Not surprisingly, people are angry

Officially some 339 reports have been received of damaged or missing ULEZ cameras —  but an unofficial map tally suggests the number is more like 460 or 28% of all the cameras installed so far.

If only there were a better way to solve this, like say with a referendum? Let’s give people a vote instead. Perhaps they won’t want to give up their cars to make the world 0.000 degrees cooler in one hundred years time?

These rules are so invasive, people are getting desperate.

Ulez: More than 300 cameras damaged or stolen in four months

By Yasmin Rufo, BBC

Over four months, the Met received 339 reports of camera cables being damaged, or cameras being stolen or obscured. The actual number of cameras affected is likely to be even higher as one report can represent multiple cameras.  Unofficial data mapping the location of disabled cameras suggests that almost 500 cameras could have been affected.

The force has not revealed the locations of any of the disabled cameras but a group of people calling themselves Julie’s Ulez map, who are opposed to the Ulez expansion, worked to track the locations and damage caused to cameras.

The map shows there are 1,619 cameras outside the North and South circular roads with 461 of those reported as vandalised or stolen – equating to 28% of the Transport for London’s (TfL) network cameras.

ULEZ Map vandalized cameras

In the graph below “no car” is the blue line, and in Central London around 75% of the rich and poor don’t own a car. But in the outer zones only 20-40% don’t own a car, and presumably poorer people would own more cars if only they could afford it, since that’s what everyone else in their area with more money does.

Click to enlarge:

Car ownership in London Graphed.

More than 50% of the most deprived people in outer London own at least one car.

This graph above shows the phenomenal success of the invention of cars and the industrialization and free-market that made it possible. In a little over a century, more than half of the poorest citizens were able to buy something far better than what the richest of the rich once had.

Alfieri Maserati in 1908

Racing car of 1908

1908 Grand Prix des Voiturettes at Dieppe was Alfieri Maserati in his Isotta-Fraschini, |Bibliothèque nationale de France. Agence Rol.

Resistance is growing

Groups, apps and interactive maps are springing up to protest and to map the locations of the cameras. Some councils have refused to allow cameras on the roads they manage, but most main roads will be covered with 2,750 cameras when the full set are installed.

Stop Ulez.com reports 

Currently two people have been charged with criminal damage but one case has now been dropped the night before a crown court appearance (congratulations Kingsley – common sense prevailed) and the other is on-going, with a not guilty plea, crown court date and a lack of evidence.

The ULEZ Camera Conundrum

The ULEZ Extension will be monitored by cameras, which are going up at an alarming rate on a traffic light near you (in you live in the large expansion zone). Although some councils have refused to allow TFL and Sadiq Khan to install cameras on council property and council owned roads, TFL are allowed to install whatever they fancy on routes that they manage. They are also installing ULEZ signage, the legality of which is being disputed, as discussed here by Bexley Council. These routes cover virtually all the main roads that run through each borough.

This prolificacy means that the chances of avoiding the cameras and finding a sneaky back route to the a school or allotment is severely limited.

Other links:

Photo Ford Model T: ModelTMitch

 

 

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88 comments to Over 300 “low emission” surveillance cameras stolen or damaged in London since April

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    davefromweewaa

    Planet saving Greens are to this century what Nazis and Bolsheviks were to last. Funny how tyrants are always so righteous!

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      Steve of Cornubia

      “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

      C.S.Lewis

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      Arw

      Elysium but on earth

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    mundi

    Don’t worry I’m sure the government will come up with a brilliant plan: like cash for clunkers…

    I bet the watermelon areas of melb are drafting up camera systems like this now.

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      KP

      I bet the watermelon areas of melb are drafting up camera systems like this now… for everyone else’s suburb!

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      Old Goat

      Mundi,
      Every intersection in Melbourne now has a “traffic monitoring” camera . Couldn’t possibly be used for that….or could it , Dan? Don’t forget to smile .

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      John Galt III

      “If only there were a better way to solve this, like say with a referendum? Let’s give people a vote instead.”

      London did vote. Calcutta on The Thames voted for the Marxist Muslim Mayor in 2016. Then they re-elected him in 2021. What the hell did these stupid people expect would happen?

      It’s no different in Chicago, NYC or San Francisco.

      People will eventually vote with their feet. First out of London and then out of the UK, then even out of Western Europe. Staying and dying is not an option for some people.

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    ghl

    Next “White Flight”
    Then “No Go Zone”
    Bye Bye London.

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      Lawrie

      A friends grand daughter has been working in London for 4 years. She says she would never walk any street in London after dark, never. Lots of muggings and knife crime.

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    This crazy idea will not work and will not last long. Full stop.

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    Graham Richards

    Let’s ( hope ) Mayor Khan doesn’t go missing or have a serious accident in the ULEZ zone.

    One never knows what surprises climate change has in store for us.

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    MH

    Since the beginning of time, when have governments ever represented working people? Governments have always represented the elite interests whether they be big business, monarchy or other wealthy interests.

    It’s only when working people realise that government is the enemy of the people, things change!

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    Richard C (NZ)

    ‘Blade Runner’ Brazenly Sabotages Mayor Khan’s Emission Cams Using Tree Lopper

    https://climatechangedispatch.com/blade-runner-brazenly-sabotages-mayor-khans-emission-cams-using-tree-lopper/

    ‘We are going to take down every single one no matter what’

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    czechlist

    more big brother watching per Eric Blair.
    if Londoners had guns big brother would likely go blind
    defend the 2A and freedom USA

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    OldOzzie

    Meanwhile

    August 18, 2023
    THE MORNING RANT: Electric Vehicles Are Exploding In Popularity!!

    I frequently mock electric vehicles for their propensity to spontaneously combust, but these things are seriously scary.

    We just keep hearing more disturbing stories about EVs that burst into flames, many while they are parked, turned off, and not charging.

    Here are some more of these stories since the last time I discussed the topic.

    And

    Battery fire destroys Lancia Delta Evo-e RX team cars, shuts down World RX event in UK

    Special ONE Racing’s cars were lost, including Sebastien Loeb’s

    A battery fire has destroyed both of Speed ONE Racing’s electric Lancia Delta World Rallycross cars, Carscoops reports.

    The two Lancia Delta Evo-e race cars were reportedly in the paddock at Lydden Hill Race Circuit in the UK on Friday morning when a fire originating in one of the cars’ battery packs spread and consumed the team’s road tent, taking both cars with it.

    The fire shut down the World Rallycross Championship event while race authorities attempted to ascertain the cause of the fire.

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    It is good to see that South East London is fighting back strongly against these insane installations which impact people’s lives and finances for no possible purpose.

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    Neville

    AGAIN all of the OECD countries including the UK have wasted TRILLIONs of $ and 33 years of their lives for NOTHING.
    From 1988 (11.54 billion tons per annum ) to 2021 11.70 billion tons per annum or an increase of just 0.16 billion tons per annum over the last 33 years. But the NON OECD countries have added another 14.40 billion tons per annum or 90 times as much co2 as the OECD countries over the same period of time. The London Mayor is a classic left wing loony who doesn’t understand the co2 emissions DATA since 1988 and therefore London drivers have to suffer the consequences of these extreme changes. And all for a ZERO change to their WEATHER or CLIMATE.
    See the OWI Data link from 1988 to 2021 for the last 33 years.

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?country=OECD+%28GCP%29~Non-OECD+%28GCP%29

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    Mike Borgelt

    Brits have been sabotaging roadside speed cameras for a long time. Hasn’t happened in Australia. Australians are nation of sheep named Karen.

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    Philip

    The question I ask is would Aussies be so rebellious? This type of action is the best way to combat such draconian nonsense.

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    Philip

    I’d personally like to sabotage signs in Australia. There are far too many of them.

    After the 2019 fires they were given loads of money and spent on new danger meter signs. One was put near us and shines in the window at night. Or did, until they decided to change the categories and so that came down and hire trailer light was installed with the message that categories have changed. After about 4 to 6 months, the trailer was returned, and just a non-electric regular sign has gone up that categories have changed. Actually, I’m not sure what it says, I don’t bother reading it, like everybody else.

    The money they spend on all these signs and cameras is absurd. And someone being paid enormous sums is making these decisions. What a waste and failure of bureaucracy! Examples abound.

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      Annie

      The thing that is so bad about so many roadsigns is that they are far too reflective. They are like lights shining straight into your eyes at night and therefore leave unseeable pools of darkness behind them, harbouring goodness-knows-what large animals ready to leap out to cross the road.

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        KP

        Exactly! Get well out in the country and the old road signs that haven’t been replaced are a glow, not a flare. If the sign is warning you of a 80kph corner you only need to know 50m away from it, not 150m! Then they put reflective chevrons all the way around a corner after the sign telling you there is a corner coming up, so you are navigating the corner in darkness.

        My 40km drive home through the country at night is nightmare of signs and so many cars with badly adjusted headlight, clowns who don’t know their lights are on full, and manufacturer’s disasters of new headlights that look cool from the inside but are blinding when driving towards them!

        The next Highway Patrol that stops me will get an earful!

        …and its all on a potholed, broken road with signs saying “Roading upgrade for safer travel from NSW Govt’ or something stupidly similar!

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          Annie

          It’s just as bad in Victoria. What is more, potholes are hard to see by day when there are lots of regrowth small trees which give shadows and a strobe effect, or at night. Infuriating and very damaging to vehicles.

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        Geoff Sherrington

        About reflective signs.
        Forty years ago a rep from 3M told me they made 40 cents a square foot profit from signs coated with their night light reflective hollow spherical glass beads.
        Geoff S
        p.s. This Geoff also loves cars. The 1998 statesman supercharged 3.8 litre V6 is quite good for long distance relax. Geoff S

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      ‘What a waste and failure of bureaucracy!’

      ‘Waste’ and ‘failure’ are syn-onyms for ‘bureaucracy,’
      serfs think.

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      Ian George

      New fire ratings are – Moderate, High, Extreme and Catastrophic.
      Used to have a Low rating but the new ratings appear ‘scarier’.

      They do have a ‘No Rating’ but it is rarely used. Does ‘NR’ mean a low rating or they can’t decide?

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    Philip

    Labour parties should be fighting for the poor and their $2000 Toyota Corollas, condemning anything that will part them. The car is the great equalizer, the equity provider. The very definition of it! It is simply astonishing politicians act against the lower income brackets yet claim they only exist for them. And even more astonishing the lowers don’t realise it.

    I think I saw mention on here recently of a Bible verse that says something about woe is those who call light dark and dark light. Shows it’s a characteristic that has been around for a long long time.

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      Tel

      It is simply astonishing politicians act against the lower income brackets yet claim they only exist for them.

      It makes more sense once you consider the Jonathan Gruber Factor … these people think they are smarter than anyone else and will say whatever gets the response they are looking for.

      I’ve come to the conclusion that the majority of ordinary people do actually love being treated like that … what they don’t like is being called out on it.

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    David Maddison

    This is very good news.

    A “V for Vendetta” scenario is emerging in Once Great Britain…the people are sick of being ruled over by the totalitarian Left (a tautology, I know).

    Make Britain Great Again.

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    Lance

    Those CCD and CMOS imaging cells truly do not like laser light. 200 milliseconds at appropriate power levels and frequencies seem to be their threshold.

    An interesting scientific paper :

    https://www.spiedigitallibrary.org/journals/Optical-Engineering/volume-56/issue-03/034108/Laser-induced-damage-threshold-of-camera-sensors-and-micro-optoelectromechanical/10.1117/1.OE.56.3.034108.full?SSO=1

    Isn’t science a wonder?

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    Ross

    Climate change
    The made up catastrophe used by globalists to instill fear and guilt so that they can tax, regulate and remove our freedoms while pretending to save the planet.

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    Dave in the States

    Pretty soon you will be surveilled all the time, such as when you buy gasoline, at the grocey store, just walking down the street, surfing the web, everywhere your phone goes, watching TV, driving your car, riding your bike, at the hardware store…

    .. Oh wait.

    I’m pretty sure had such technology existed at the time of the framing of the US Constitution such practices would be prohibited or severly limited. If there’s no pushback it grows like vegetation in a rain forest.

    About 20 years ago, local counties and municiplalities started installing traffic cams all over here in America as speed traps. It was really getting onerous. People were getting tickets for going 33 in a 30 and crap like that. Police were harassing people for having dark window tint and not having front bumper plates. But there was strong push back. People began complaining to their elected representatives and voting out those who supported such practices, and challenging it in court. Pretty soon such practices ceased.

    One of my favorite stories from that period was a man got a photo cop ticket in the mail, so he photo copied some money and sent it in. He wrote on it; ‘send me a photo ticket and I send you a photo payment of the fine’ or something to that effect. He was arrested and sent to jail, of course, but sometimes stuff like that must be done.

    I heard that Orwell has been removed from many public libraries and school libraries.

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    Kim

    Captain Gatso – photo needed – (I’m on the mobile). 😁️

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    Neville

    The 38 OECD countries ( 1.34 billion population) have wasted TRILLIONs of $ since 1988 and only increased their co2 emissions by 0.16 billion tons by 2021.
    So why haven’t the other 157 countries or 6.7 billion population not suffered any PENALTIES at all even though they’ve INCREASED their co2 emissions by 14.4 billion tons over the last 33 years?
    That’s according to the latest OWI Data link.
    Here’s Worldometer link for number of countries in the world.

    https://www.worldometers.info/geography/how-many-countries-are-there-in-the-world/

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    David Maddison

    Katie Hopkins discusses the cameras and what to (not) do about them.

    https://youtu.be/H_0e82gEd5o

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    John Connor II

    Tangential, but I remember many years ago when an enterprising person quietly removed the licence plates of a police speedgun van at night, fitted them to his own car, then sped past the van.
    😄

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    Neville

    OWI Data seems to find a very low life expectancy by 1913 for all Humans and not much better than 1800.
    But by 1950 that global life expectancy has increased to 46.5 years , but Africa is still very low.
    And today the global life expectancy is still lower than macrotrend at 73+. But all are supposed to be quoting UN data. Who knows?

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-expectancy

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    James Murphy

    Seems like the Greens and possibly getUp have been attempting to hire actors to play outraged “locals” who oppose drilling and hydraulic fracture stimulation in the Beetaloo Basin (NT).

    A cursory search seems to yield that articles are all paywalled.

    I guess it’s the same group of idiots who tried to over-rule the section of the local Aboriginal community wanting job opportunities for their people.

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      James Murphy

      Sorry, it’s really off-topic. For some reason I was thinking this was an “unthreaded” post…

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    John Connor II

    What good’s video without sound?

    Councils to Install Microphones on Thousands of UK Streets to Catch ‘Noise Polluters’

    ‘Listening cameras’ will join the AI trackers, ANPR cameras, pollution sensors, speed cameras, and 3D facial recognition cameras already installed.

    The UK Government have given the go ahead for local authorities in England and Wales to install ‘listening cameras’ on thousands of roads across the country following a successful trial in Kensington and Chelsea last year.

    The listening cameras are claimed to be needed to combat the ‘modern scourge’ or noisy car exhausts, and loud music. The microphones, which can detect anything above a whisper, will be set at 80 dbs. Upon hearing anything louder than that the camera will record an image of the vehicle, and its noise level, and automatically issue a fine set by the local Council.

    Trials on the device took place last year with the Department for Transport unveiling funding of £300,000 for the initial phase. Two of the boroughs that fitted the devices were the London districts of Kensington and Chelsea, with locals being unaware of the scheme in most cases. Borough officials issued a warning for the driver’s they caught for a ‘first offence’, but warned that a repeat offence could carry a fine of up to £2,500.

    According to the Department of Transport road noise can be linked to people suffering from health problems like heart attacks, strokes and dementia. Roads minister Richard Holden said: “Boy racers are an anti-social menace and we have extensively trialled noise camera technology in various parts of the country over the past year.”

    To push through the listening cameras advocates have enlisted the help of the RAC who have published a supposed study claiming that the majority of drivers want to see the new “noise cameras” installed around the country to crack down on loud vehicles on the roads.

    https://www.visionnews.online/post/councils-to-install-microphones-on-thousands-of-uk-streets-to-catch-noise-polluters

    Won’t be any hoons, “$500 rocket” cars or Harleys at all before long. GOOD!

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    James Murphy

    It’s all too easy to install surveillance and restrict all manner of things “for our own safety”.

    What happened to the really advanced CCTV / AI systems installed in Darwin, and to be installed in parts of SA?
    Ironically, there seems to her very little news on this.

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    Kalm Keith

    This is disgusting and they aren’t even trying to cover it up.
    Control, corale and crush.

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    Serge Wright

    There is no doubt this is deliberately aimed at the working class. Socialism only works when you have lords and serfs and removing the privilege of private travel for the working classes is the first step and what follows gets far worse.

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    Gerry, England

    The legal position regarding Khan’s TfL putting up cameras and signs on roads that are under the control of the boroughs is set out in the Greater London Authority Act 1999. Normally TfL would need to get an agreement from the boroughs to carry out works on their roads under the Highways Act 1980. However, this is not required if the works are to introduce a charging zone that covers the borough roads. When it comes to the county councils around the outside of Greater London, the 1999 Act does not apply so for example Kent County Council has refused an agreement.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    Mobility and freedom for the masses is the curse of the feudal elites; if the serfs can vote with their feet
    they might not bring in the harvest for the pittance left after the Duke’s levy. Thus California now hopes to assert the
    right to tax your income for a decade you leave the state, because, no doubt, you were imbued with a golden aura.

    A pox upon his royal highness, his heirs and assigns. May he starve and rot in his castle keep.

    As a Floridian used to being reviled from out left coast, I am looking forward to see how the green hosts of superior being handle a hurricanr, as they have always insisted
    we can’t. I am especially interested in how electric vehicles do n the storm and aftermath, knowing what these storms usually do to power lines.

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      Dave in the States

      I once did some contract work in a nearby state which has state income tax. The state in which I reside does not. So because I was doing work in that state I had to pay that state’s income tax. After the job ended they still sent me tax paper work to pay tax for two years afterward. I ignored them.

      This is what people should do. Just not pay the ULEZ fines. If everybody refuses to pay up what can they do? Give em the finger as you drive past the cams at least-and then don’t pay.

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        MrGrimNasty

        The only time justice in the UK is highly efficient and robust is for issues like these.
        You won’t go to jail despite having a string of convictions for burglary, drugs and knife crime, but a pensioner who won’t pay his council tax – straight to jail. People have been fined for giving the finger to cameras, even when they were doing nothing else wrong.
        20mph limits are becoming increasingly pervasive too, blanket 20 limits in some areas, people are being done for 23 mph at 3am. Confusing bus lanes are another great money earner.

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          Dave in the States

          “but a pensioner who won’t pay his council tax-straight to jail.”

          Yeah, they can’t allow that kind of thing to get started. It’s too powerful. They also don’t like symbols of contempt for their polity apparently.

          In America the establishment hates the display of Revolutionary War Flags. Especially in place of the current ensign. That’s why I fly them. It’s the American way.

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        Dave in the States

        On reading my above post it might be understood that I failed to pay taxes owed. Let me clarify. I paid the tax for the income I earned in the state in question. They still wanted to collect additional taxes after I was no longer earning any income in their state, on income I was earning not in their state.

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    Energywise

    The whole climate alarmist nut zero con is being forced on global citizens – no debate, no challenges allowed, no referendums allowed – a united push by WEF aligned leaders to get this transfer of green tax cash from the masses to the elites
    It’s one big con, a sham, a deceit
    With all mainstream political parties signed up to this, you cannot escape its gravitational pull, unless you vote for a smaller party that doesn’t subscribe to the drivel
    This kind of authoritarian tyranny by nation leaders and their international, globalist cohorts, will only be countered by organised and spontaneous civil disobedience and resistance, that is patently clear, because in this new world war, surrender or capitulation is not an option

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    Energywise

    The whole climate alarmist nut zero con is being forced on global citizens – no debate, no challenges allowed, no referendums allowed – a united push by WEF aligned leaders to get this transfer of green tax cash from the masses to the elites
    It’s one big con, a sham, a deceit
    With all mainstream political parties signed up to this, you cannot escape its gravitational pull, unless you vote for a smaller party that doesn’t subscribe to the drivel
    This kind of authoritarian tyranny by nation leaders and their international, globalist cohorts, will only be countered by organised and spontaneous civil disobedience and resistance, that is patently clear, because in this new world war, surrender or capitulation is not an option.

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    MM from Canada

    Forgive my ignorance of “Aussie-speak” – what are “tradies”?

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    “People who own diesel cars older than 2015 or petrol cars older than 2006 will have to pay the fees”
    Indeed.
    But – if your car or van is ‘old’ [I gather over 30 years; I haven’t checked] it’s exempt.
    And it’s supposed to be about clean air [not a massive tax grab, oh no!].

    Mr Khan is not very popular.
    His leader, Keir Starmer, has splinters in his arse from sitting on the fence on this – as on many other issues.

    Auto

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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12425109/Sadiq-Khans-office-silence-scientists-Mayor-Londons-ambitious-Ulez-plans-little-impact-pollution.html
    And, paywalled:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/19/khan-tried-silence-scientists-questioned-ulez-claims/

    “Sadiq Khan’s office has been accused of trying to ‘silence’ scientists over publishing research that showed his ultra-low emissions zone (Ulez) policy had ‘insignificant’ effect on pollution, as protestors brought traffic to a standstill on Saturday to fight against expansion of the scheme.
    “The claims were made following a series of emails between Shirley Rodrigues, the London Mayor’s deputy for environment and energy and Professor Frank Kelly, director of Imperial’s Environmental Research Group, which has received £800,000 of funding from the London Mayor’s office since 2021.
    “In the emails, seen by The Telegraph, Ms Rodrigues said she was disappointed that Imperial College had published a study by the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering that showed Ulez cut nitrogen dioxide by less than three per cent and had achieved an insignificant impact on ozone and particulate matter.
    “Such research undermined the London Mayor’s policy, argued Ms Rodrigues.
    “Prof Kelly is said to have agreed to co-write a statement with her that contradicted the research and positioned Ulez as having helped to ‘dramatically reduce air pollution’.”
    Goes on to say that the scientists are ‘discouraged’ about continuing their research.

    Also cited elsewhere on the interweb.

    This goes to the heart of science today.
    A politician gets an idea, cranks up some support for it from someone who may be plausible [never mind that the qualifications are in a different field, perhaps – a Professor is a Professor (even of Mayan dance)]; when proper scientists look at it with an open mind – the claims are not backed [and may be contradicted].
    And then theere is political [and grant monies] pressure applied.

    Result – “A perfectly good civilization is going to waste” – exactly as Jo says at the head of this page.

    Auto

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    Steve

    Of course the diminutive Ayatollah of Londonistan has no time for real science in his quest to turn all londoners into donkey riding, goat-herders.
    https://dailysceptic.org/2023/08/20/khan-tried-to-silence-scientists-who-questioned-ulez-claims-emails-show/

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    Beertruk

    Time to go back to the horse and cart.
    Tons of horse crap in the street causing a massive stink and attracting billions of flies.
    Will be awesome when it rains and it turns into a river of slop.

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    Saighdear

    Well you would think so: “Not surprisingly, people are angry”…. as I am, BUT tv street interviews often show OTHERWISE.
    However, it is the COPYCAT link that annoys me most: When Councillors up as far as RURAL INVERNESS & Draughty ABERDEEN Also want to implement these regimes, THAT really annoys me. You wanna live in a City, that’s what you get ( Vote) for ! and results ?

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    Anton

    Oh dear, what a shame.

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