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Election Day in SA

South Australia, SA, MapThis is a thread for voters in South Australia to talk about today’s state election.  After the Labor Party wrecked the electricity grid in South Australia, the Liberals appear to be set to lose after only one term. Please, locals or anyone with insight, tell us what is going on. I’ve only listened to 20 minutes of ABC radio in the last 3 months, but even 2000km away, I was informed of the Ambulance Ramping deaths, which now turn out to be exaggerated to the point of being misleading:

South Australian Labor will go to the polls having profited from an ambulance attack advertisement that was ruled inaccurate by the state’s Electoral Commissioner. (ECSA)

The fact that Labor kept running its ramping advertisements on Friday despite the ECSA ruling prompted one of the strongest outbursts from Treasurer Rob Lucas in a 40-year career which ends with his retirement on Saturday, labelling them “despicable lies”. “Labor’s campaign slogan should really be ‘Lie like your life depends on it’,” Mr Lucas said in the final statement of his career. — The Australian

No one seems to be asking the obvious question about Ambulance Ramping (which apparently is a problem in every state?). How much is it due to banning nurses, doctors and paramedics from working if they refuse to get injected? How much is it due to injuries from the new major health program of 2021 that has no long term data yet, and only suppressed data that Big Pharma fights to keep secret?

9.6 out of 10 based on 60 ratings

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    David Maddison

    Liberals are only slightly less dangerous than Green Labor.

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    wal1957

    Regarding ambulance ramping.
    Ramping has been an issue in QLD for at least 20 years. I can only assume that the vax mandate has exacerbated the problem.
    As to the Liebor lies in their campaign advertisement. My understanding is that these are not held to the same standard as a commercial advertisement is. For example, if my company makes an ad that says we can convert horse manure into gold I have to provide proof that I can.
    Political advertisements are largely left alone. One of the over-riding reasons for this is that the truth really is a matter of opinion in a lot of cases. How would that be policed? I certainly wouldn’t want the ‘fact checkers’ anywhere near a political advertisement.
    Anyway, do as I do, record any tv programs you want to watch and then you can shuffle thru those pesky commercials when you watch the program.

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      Honk R Smith

      Ever notice that there weren’t any ‘fact checkers’ until the proliferation of the internet, and the truth started coming out?

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      TimiBoy

      As much as he was an arrogant ass, Newman just about had ramping licked. It takes strong leadership and real cajones. The electorate doesn’t like either, sadly.

      I always thought Marshall and his crowd looked like a not even that light Labor. So more of the same for my Southern Cousins.

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      Brenda Spence

      I left the ambulance service in WA in 2008 and we were ramping for hours at the major hospitals.

      The problems which were apparent then, were that the system was clogged up with nursing home patients, druggies and gp work.

      The nursing homes would send patients to hospital for minor issues because they would get flak from the relatives if they didnt. They just covered their backs. A visiting locum service would have fixed a lot of that.

      A fair few people go to ED with GP problems because its free, and easier than trying to see your own,- and drug related issues were becoming a big problem.

      Combine all that with covid anxiety, vaccine injuries and less staff and you have the perfect storm.

      Labor ran a scare campaign because no govt will be able to fix this easily.

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    Shy Ted

    The Libs deserve to lose for pursuing a left agenda. Amb ramping is a long term problem with many different causes but ultimately leading to too many patients at once. The N Adelaide area, once home to several car manufacturers and industry has fallen into decay as unemployment rose and drug use is rampant and this leads to acute and chronic health problems among very difficult and dangerous people. The paperwork is horrendous and much of it pointless. Management have qualifications in management and don’t understand health or the various disciplines. The answer to everything is more bureaucracy. I used to describe health departments as a job creation factories for the unemployed, there are so many people just pushing paper. And don’t get me started on the new RAH. Boy did the unions get rich out of that one.
    And say goodbye to $68m on the hydrogen farce. It’s just theft by another name, transferring money around with every one of the usual suspects getting a cut along the way.
    I was a nurse. I walked 2 years ago at the beginning. It was clear what was coming. I was lucky, I could. Others couldn’t. Things are going to get very bad.

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      Ronin

      How can you distinguish the SA Libs from the reds.

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      Doctor T

      It appears that every coalition government in the country would rather lose power indefinitely than fight for a principle- a principle that was previously the raison d’etre of the “conservative” political parties. That is- individual liberty and freedom, and all that follows from that principle. One can only hope that enough independent conservatives are elected both federally and in SA.

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    David Maddison

    Liberal and Labor “leaders”, both staggeringly clueless but at least the Liberals would have offered something that was arguably useful as opposed to a useless hydrogen plant.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/19/hard-to-read-labor-is-clear-favourite-in-south-australias-election-but-local-issues-muddy-the-waters

    Marshall’s signature announcement was a $662 million city entertainment arena, Malinauskas pledged a $593 million hydrogen power plant.

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    Betty Luks

    Jo,

    I have become so cynical as to the integrity of the political system NEVER MIND THE COUNTING OF THE VOTES – I have to admit I don’t have any faith in any one of them.

    There were lots of telephone surveys but I see them as the various parties’ way of finding out what people are thinking, so as to tailor their propaganda in the media (they call it PR).

    As to the Upper House candidates, one young lady checked all the candidates out for their links to the major parties – and guess what? She found only one candidate calling himself ‘an Independent’ actually was. The rest of the ‘Independents’ had links to the major parties.

    So, of course, the next step is to see where the second preferences went – and so on.

    Other than seeing them on the placards on telegraph poles, I certainly didn’t see/have any candidate knocking at my door.

    And the local MP ‘disappeared’ long before the election. He was often too busy to talk about the covid ‘jab’ – he obviously didn’t want to have to answer any hard questions.

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    el+gordo

    I admit to ignorance on ‘ramping’ but this cleared it up, its definitely a political issue.

    https://www.moreambos.com.au/the-campaign/

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    Ian Hill

    For me the election was such a non-event today that it wasn’t until 11am while doing the dishes that I remembered I had to go and have my name crossed off, or as is now the fashion, clicked off on a laptop. We were supposed to take our own pencil to lessen the danger of catching covid from a piece of wood, but I rebelliously refused, figuring they would have a contingency plan in place. Sure enough I could take a little golf scorecard pencil from a box, not that I necessarily needed it because both ballot papers (including the upper house tablecloth) stated that legally we did not have to mark them! First time I’ve ever seen that.

    It was impossible for me to vote for anyone in the House of Assembly but I found Pauline’s One Nation on the tablecloth and that was good enough to earn a “1”. I asked the man attending the ballot boxes with his ruler what do I do with the pencil and he pointed to a large box with about a hundred little pencils already in it and said “for recycling”! I supposed they will be deeply cleansed in some industrial washing machine.

    Jo – thanks for acknowledging the distinguished career of Rob Lucas whom I went to school and played junior footy with in Mount Gambier.

    Sorry I can’t give a more in-depth response but I’m still seething after that idiot Labor Premier blew up the Port Augusta power station several years ago.

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      “both ballot papers (including the upper house tablecloth) stated that legally we did not have to mark them! First time I’ve ever seen that.”

      Ask which parties benefit from a non-vote. Answer: The Duopoly.

      The last thing they want is people marking up and sending money to smaller parties.

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        Ian

        ‘The last thing they want is people marking up and sending money to smaller parties.”

        That makes sense as the smaller parties don’t have much in the way of policy so don’t attract much media attention so voters know very little about them so don’t vote for them.

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          b.nice

          Any policy would be better than the far left nonsense policies that the SA Libs, Lab/Greens have to offer.
          Its a race to the bottom rung of existence.
          Lab/Green will win, but the people will be the losers, by their own choice.

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            Ian

            “Lab/Green will win, but the people will be the losers, by their own choice”

            Lab/Green in fact have won so there are now four states and one Territory with Labor governments.

            It would seem you and those who share your politcal views are currently out of step with the majority of those voting for state governments and possibly also voting for the Federal government.

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              James Murphy

              You must be delusional if you think anyone could correctly identify which party a policy belongs to without seeing the party name. Mind you, based on your comment above, you are a nice obedient supporter, not voting based on policy, but on party name.

              Thanks for being part of the problem.

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                Ian, it’s not that the small parties don’t attract much media attention, it’s that the media ignores them unless they support their personal political positions.

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              b.nice

              Yes Ian, you will always vote for the party that takes society to a lower level. Its in your very nature.

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                Ian

                “Yes Ian, you will always vote for the party that takes society to a lower level. Its in your very nature.”

                Not at all. From 1972 to 2019 I voted for the Liberals in WA and the LNP in federal elections. However, federally, the advent of Morrison and Dutton showed that my liberal views were out the window as far as the LNP was concerned. That party now represents right wing Conservatives such as yourself, who care not a jot about their fellow man but only their own financial gain. It is certainly not in my nature to vote for such a party

                And Morrison is the PM that has presided over a LNPthat takes society to a lower level with his inability to stick to his policies and his crass behaviour in general. He is more a grocery manager than a PM.

                And you may well find that at the next Federal election most voters will also vote for the party that, in your blinkered self-centred opinion , takes society to lower level.

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                Ian

                “Yes Ian, you will always vote for the party that takes society to a lower level. Its in your very nature.”

                On current evidence It also appears to be in the very nature of most Australian voters.

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                b.nice

                Insipid leftism, a creeping oozing sewer. !
                People just have their noses pegged closed.

                “of most Australian voters.” The only thing that matters to you. !

                Morrison is of the left, certainly no conservative. A Turnbull clone. Being of the left, yes, he degrades the fabric of society. That is what leftism does, always.

                The current LNP does not represent conservatives at all, where did you get that fantasy from.!

                That is why he will lose the next election. He stands for nothing worthwhile, because of his leftist bent. Almost the perfect candidate for people like you.. Albanese is even worse.. so at least you have a choice of which leftist non-entity you vote for.

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                Ian

                “The current LNP does not represent conservatives at all, where did you get that fantasy from.!”

                From MPs like Dutton who won’t allow two little girls born in Australia to remain here despite pleas from their community. It typifies the uncaring hard hearted Conservative attitude toward families

                From MPs such as Alan Tudge who physically abuse their partners. It typifies the Conservative neanderthal attitude toward women. As does Morrison’s attitude toward Christine Holgate.

                From unprincipled MPs like Michaelia Cash threatening to reveal unsubstantiated rumours about members of the opposition, a threat she was forced to withdraw.

                From grossly distorted allocation of funding favouring Liberal held electorates. Perhaps you recall the Sports Rorts debacle.

                From the undisclosed receipt of anonymous donations by Christian Porter from a blind trust.

                As is apparent, these examples are not fantasy but hard fact that even those of the far right wing such as yourself cannot deny.

                There are many more instances of the money obsessed anti-women anti-immigrant attitudes held by Conservatives and their supporters. The sooner Conservative MPs and their supporters leave the LNP and join PHON and/or UAP the better.

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                Harves

                Not cherry picking there Ian?
                Did you accidentally leave out Albo’s preference for Thai (covered up by the media), Shorten’s accuser being treated totally different to any Lib accuser, and of course the bully Wong?

                These the values you support Ian?

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                Ian

                “Did you accidentally leave out Albo’s preference for Thai (covered up by the media), Shorten’s accuser being treated totally different to any Lib accuser, and of course the bully Wong?”

                No Harves I didn’t “accidentally leave it out”, I left it out because it was totally irrelevant as I was responding to this comment in 7.1.1.1.3

                “The current LNP does not represent conservatives at all, where did you get that fantasy from.!”

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          Bruce

          Having a huge raft of “policies” is NOT a valid or sane qualifier for political power.

          Having “practical” policies and actual fundamental principles? Good luck with that when it comes to the “majors”.

          “Democracy” is touted by the usual suspects as Nirvana.

          Literally “Mob Rule”, it is fragile at best, and as noted around the globe, permanently susceptible to becoming “bent”.

          Just cast your minds back to all the countries around the world with “Democratic” in their official title; DDR, DPRK, DR Congo, etc, etc..

          Paraphrasing the classics: “ANY “party” that promises to rob Peter to pay Paul, has the eternal vote of “Paul”. Voting for such people and “parties” is functionally a criminal conspiracy.

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            Peter C

            I fully agree that a Party should have clear and explicit principles. The Liberal Party has published principles but seems to have abandoned them.

            Detailed policies should align with the principles.

            How about these principles from the Liberal Democtrats;
            https://www.ldp.org.au/principles/

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          yarpos

          Ian only votes for parties certified by da media.

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        Ian Hill

        I was in a different electorate from last time (the joys of living rear the boundary) and had the choice of liberal, labor, the greens, two very high profile independents and the animal justice party. I can’t stand either of the independents – one was a former mayor who cancelled the Christmas Carols for being too religious. I won’t say why with the other. That left animal justice and I thought – no, just can’t do it.

        I think SA is an example of the sitting party being decimated by Covid. SA had a good start but lost the plot over the pizza shop lockdown fiasco in November 2020 and in the end our chief medical officer wasn’t up to it. I’ve already mentioned in a previous post her lack of support for a professor at Flinders Uni developing a safe vaccine used successfully in .. Iran I think it was – even though he is a colleague of hers.

        Other than that we were the only mainland state to remain relatively unscathed throughout the two years of covid before the current variant and our police were certainly very reasonable and kept out of the headlines. I can’t recall any silly fines. But I fear this result will be reflected in the national election coming soon.

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          Ian Hill

          I should clarify – “unscathed” includes the fact that SA was reasonable with state borders.

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          Thanks. Yes, Short of China attacking Taiwan, or Albanese really screwing up, it will be hard for Morrison to win.

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            b.nice

            “it will be hard for Morrison to win”

            He is so wishy-washy and pastie that he really doesn’t have anything to offer the voters.

            Like an off blancmange.

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            Tel

            If Morrison can just get Albanese to go ahead and talk for a while about anything, then Albanese will certainly screw up. Albanese is the last hope that Morrison still has left.

            A viable future for democracy in Australia requires that enough Australians realize neither of the major parties are on the side of regular people. No one should be putting any major party as first preference, for whatever reason.

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      GlenM

      On reflection it appears that the canning of that motor race was important in the election. Says a lot really. To be fair to Marshall he did a fair bit of reform and tax cutting.

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        Graeme No.3

        GlenM:

        The Liberals ran???? an incredibly inept campaign.
        Part of the ramping problem was that the previous Labor government built a new extremely expensive Central hospital (with less beds than the one it was supposed to replace) but also shut down other hospitals/health care units, in the City and the Country.
        The Liberals reopened (and up-graded) the Repatriation hospital and started building a Women’s & Children’s Hospital but did they ever mention that?
        Then there was the bureaucratic stifling by excessive numbers, all of whom generated forms to be filled out.
        And “in the end our chief medical officer wasn’t up to it” (Ian Hill 7.1.3) I never thought she knew what she was doing, and certainly belonged to those who think that a 90micron gauze would stop a 0.5 micron virus particle. Ever changing directions DO THIS -No, DO That.
        The other part of the problem is that the State Liberals have run out of people who can think. Rob Lucas was the last that I know of, and their standout performer. The ‘moderate faction’ (Chapman?Birmingham?Pynne) has gained control and the series of sitting Liberal members being forced out by ‘expenses scandals’ got rid of most of the conservatives left. I note that 4 of the 5 seem to have been re-elected. My local member walked out and was opposed by Liberal & Labor (both of whom made big spending promises for the area) and 3 others, and was re-elected. I don’t know the final results which will take weeks but on the TV he was shown as over 50% first preferences. (Not that I spent the evening watching much TV there are better things to do than watching an exPremier (Rann) and an ex Federal Minister (Pynne) waffling.
        So it is all up to Malinauskas because his team are all inept rejects from the previous debacle.

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          GlenM

          Thanks for the summary. At least there is one intelligent person over there.

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          Graeme No.3

          There are 7 seats where the Liberal candidate is fighting it out with an Independent. 5 are probably lost to the Independent (4 of whom used to be in the Liberals) and 2 are too early to call. The remaining ex-Iiberal lost heavily but his preferences look like pushing the other Independent to a win.
          Curiously in the inner-city seat of Unley there were only 3 standing, and it looks possible that the Liberal will win over the Labor candidate thanks to (yet verified) getting over 16% second preferences from the Green candidate.

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    NigelW

    Locked in quarantine with Covid (it’s a mild cold for me), so I haven’t been out to “check the crowds mood”. Those I’ve talked to report long, slow lines at the booths, with some booths still having long lines outside at close of poll.

    My electorate ( Newland ) has, after redistribution, 2 sitting members going for re-election, Richard Harvey (former research scientist with SA Health, so typical public service, drank the climate change Kool-aid sort) and Frances Bedford, now independent.

    The Labor candidate is Olivia Savvas, previously a City of TTG Council Member, your typical young, socialist, zero real world experience offering from the left.

    This seat is very much a swing seat, Dr Harvey won by the skin of his teeth on the platform of upgrading Modbury Hospital and reinstating its emergency ward (which previous Labor had downgraded from 24/7 to business hours). I met him on his first campaign (just got home from work as he was canvassing the street), definitely your public servant ideological set, Labor would be his more natural home, but I doubt they’d have him.

    Frances Bedford has been in parliament for years, generally does (minor) good things, she’ll get some votes from her former electorate, but that will just erode the vote from the L/L pair, meaning her voters second preferences will be the deciding factor.

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      NigelW

      With regards to SA Health, ramping etc. This is a consequence of trying to escape a budget blowout. As readers of this blog will (mostly) understand, the potential demand for something free (i.e. health care) is both notionally, and practically, infinite.

      At present, health consumes ~ 35% of the state budget, and is/was forecast to hit 90% by 2035 under the previous Labor government. This is the point in time where they (Labor) pivoted to the “Spinal” model, where the 3 major hospitals (Lyell-Mac, NewRAH and Flinders) would be the core health providers, and Queen Liz (west) and Modbury (east) would be satellites, losing their (expensive!!) 24/7 emergency wards.

      For all that Labor claims it is going to “fix” ramping, they know they can’t, unless they, or the Liberals impose either massive tax hikes, or massive service cuts.

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    Ronin

    Looks like SA are getting a red labor govt with a green arm up its orifice.
    Happy daze.

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      b.nice

      Good luck SA. You are going to need it.
      What you sow, so do you reap.
      From one leftist frying pan (Libs)… into the raging marxist/socialist fire !

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        Ian

        “From one leftist frying pan (Libs)… into the raging marxist/socialist fire !”

        That you’re supporting the right side of politics brings a smile to my face.

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          Kalm Keith

          O.K.

          So you’ve got a face, big deal.

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          b.nice

          “you’re supporting the right side of politics”

          What a weird interpretation. !
          There is no “right” side of politics in SA. I was not supporting any of the leftist parties.
          I am just wishing the SA people good luck in their race to the very bottom of the dregs of life under Lab/Green.
          You should move there to feel at home.

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    Yonniestone.

    I’m associated with Reignite Democracy Australia and they’ve had a campaign on Telegram and whatever social media they can stay on about how to vote the major parties out, its an uphill battle when you give voters a genuine option to get rid of the problem but they continue to vote with the same mistakes.

    The mice keep getting caught in the mouse trap because they can’t figure out why the cheese is free.

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    Philip

    Most people dont talk politics at all. They take no notice of small parties.

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      Ian

      “Most people dont talk politics at all. They take no notice of small parties”

      That’s because the parties are too small to be o fans consequence

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        Ian

        Sorry o fans should read “of any”

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        Hanrahan

        What have any small parties done to make you proud? They are wreckers in the Senate, like Lanbsey, dumb as dog do doo but always with a crazy opinion.

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          Ian

          “What have any small parties done to make you proud? They are wreckers in the Senate

          Agreed

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            The smart small parties are the ones the media fear the most and the ones they won’t cover at all.

            Because political debate is not allowed on any topic that matters most voters are 100% bored with politics.

            No one is allowed to discuss climate change, immigration, actual cultures, real history, politically incorrect anything etc etc. There are no real debates, just the illusion of disagreement.

            For the ABC, boring the viewers on the news is a feature not a bug.

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    Angus Black

    The problem is that the Liberals are to the left of Turnbull.

    They’re never going to change while they’re in power – State or Federal.

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    Ian

    Just read Marshall concedes defeat.

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    Chris

    Marshall floated an indigenous voice to parliament and went carbon zero 2050. Denied treatment for four babies that needed treatment in Melbourne that subsequently died. Jumped on the hydrogen band wagon (but not as big as labor). We are still wearing masks and have mandates in various occupations that will be tested in court *next* week. In general more or less indistinguishable from labor, so no point in keeping him.

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      Ronin

      Liebor will just give the proles the lib policies x2, be careful what you wish for.

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        Chris

        I used to subscribe to the ‘I know I am bad but the other side is worse’ policy, but that is what has got us to this point.

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    Ian

    Libs concede SA.

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    Turtle

    Covid favours the left. When people are afraid they cling to mummy government. It turns totalitarians into heroes.

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    Turtle

    Marshmallow is toast.

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    KP

    Well, can we all agree that democracy is a failed experiment and only those taking advantage of it would say it is better than anything else?

    Everyone except those getting rich out of it complains, yet they go back to vote until they die and refuse to see nothing has changed.

    Anyone who wants power shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near it!

    As for ambulance ramping, I have a sizeable chunk of tomatoe stake buried in my hand today, deep enough to be invisible. Wait time at A&E in NSW was 3hours, and they want a untra-sound before operating, but that doesn’t run on the weekends, so back on Monday. About 7 of us in the wait queue coming and going.

    Staff were good, although the nurse wanted to refuse to see me when she was told I’m unvaxxed, but we compromised as I had covid in January.

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      Gerry

      The problem with democracy and socialism is the same ….greed. It’s not that democracy is Amore flawed system than socialism. It’s that human beings letgreed take over their lives.

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      PeterS

      Democracy only works well when people are awake. As long as people pretend there is nothing seriously wrong and broken with our society they will perceive their interests in terms of the status quo. So, the problems are systemic and will gradually get worse to the point of complete subversion by some NWO. It’s just human nature. To stop it from happening people will first have to wake up. That awakening is happening but only on a very small scale; at the moment too small to make any real difference.

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      yarpos

      I wouldnt say so. I havent heard of a more effective altenative. It has delivered the life we all have and grizzle about on the web. Timing of non critical medical treatment rather unavailability of treatment doesnt really seem to be a failure, more of an inconvenience.

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    Ronin

    Now’s the chance to show the rest of OZ just how green they can be in SA, disconnect from those sinners with the black and brown coal.

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      yarpos

      Yes, they should reprise the power station demolition and blow up the substation terminating the main interconnector to VIC. Its the pure and virtuous path and would be greeted with applause by the SA Green cognoscenti.

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    David Maddison

    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.

    Attribution uncertain. It may have been based on Alexander Fraser Tytler or possibly Alexis de Tocqueville or someone else.

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    David Maddison

    Australians are now reaping the “rewards” of allowing themselves to be utterly dumbed-down over the last several decades and for their failure to educate themselves.

    All they want is “free stuff” at the expense of their fellow hard-working and saving Australians.

    It is now extremely likely that Labor will win the Federal Election. Not that it makes much difference as SloMo is a Turnbull puppet anyway.

    Look forward to more and bigger taxes, including death taxes and the most insidious tax of all, more inflation. Plus massively increased energy costs which will be built into everything, including food.

    It is not a waste of a vote for rational thinkers, those few who are left, to direct their votes from Liberal to conservative small parties or independents such as UAP, PHON or Liberty and Democracy Party (Liberal Democrats until Liberals complained about their name).

    What possible use is a vote for Liberals? They are nearly as bad as Labor. Slightly less dangerous at best. The best that can be hoped for is that small parties will get the balance of power so as to minimise further damage that can be done by LibLabs or Greens.

    Australia has blown it. Enjoy yourselves as Australia transforms itself into another Venezuela.

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    Weeny

    As a born and bred South Australian I think the ambulance ramping issue was the deciding factor. Marshall is just labor lite anyway. But the ramping issue was flogged for about 6 months with the unions and media. Appeared to get worse and worse closer to the election. I have no idea how true or accurate the ramping issue is, but if you beleived the media and what was fed to the punters week after week then it would make you vote labor.
    In relation to covid some people are scared of it and will do whatever they are told to, but most people are over it and just want to get on with there lives. So I don’t think it was a election changing issue. Most people don’t even know what labors position is on covid is. I would suggest same as the liberals.
    The only other fact us we are a labor state at heart. Which is probably why we were always one of the worst performing states.
    Anyway my thoughts on the election.

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    R.B.

    Why didn’t the Libs point out the Ambos played the same tactic in Melbourne and they have had deaths because it has taken 28 min to get a 000 call answered, after Labor was in power for 4 years.

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      Ronin

      Daresay the ambos union played a small part in the ramping, easy to ‘go slow’, ‘work to rule’, etc, the interesting bit will be if it improves at all during liebors tenure.

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    PeterS

    I’m disappointed. I was hoping for massive swings against both major parties as a sign of the Australians finally wakening up. Oh well, I suppose things have to get a lot worse before that happens. The federal elections will be more revealing.

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      Philip

      Im used to small parties full of hope and people believing they will make a big impact, yet they never do. This is just another example.

      People on sites like these are micro markets of like minded people. The people at my work are pure working class and they do not talk politics, ever, just the price of rent, beer and smokes, and overtime.

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    Ronin

    The IEA, Ambulance Employees Association, of SA seems fairly militant, they know how to put on a stoush, anyone from SA got any views.

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    mundi

    Labour are mostly honest in that you know you are getting a nanny state regulation loving rent seeker building party who will increase the size of government at every turn.

    The liberals however are the worst party in Australia. They get all attention of not being labour, and then deliver absolutely no reform, no deregulation, no abolition of rent seekers, no bringing back back our freedom or liberty.

    Australia has passed the tipping point where the majority of the population gets all their income from one of the three layers of government. This has the result of pulling both major parties down the big gov line. There is no country on earth who has escaped from this trajectory – it always ends with inflation and runaway devaluation of the dollar as the government becomes the only economy.

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      Bruce

      I watched the Libs being “white-anted” by Labor “activists” and “fellow travelers” in the 1970s here in Queensland. People were being conditioned to hate Joh and the “treatment” was soaked up by the “Libs”. There was, interestingly, one Labor Qld leader who openly admitted that he learned the “game” from Joh. Nationally, they were the plaything of the appalling statist, Malcolm Fraser, (he of handing The shattered remains of Rhodesia to the Chinese puppet, Mugabe, notoriety). Labor nationally had ex-Ipswich Copper, Bill Hayden, then rolled him for the odious Hawke. The shenanigans of “Solo” and “the Big Store” would have been a warning to anyone with a couple of neurons and a synapse, but….

      “Quality merchandise”, all round.

      “Voting” in Australia like “shopping” in a 1960’s soviet “department store”..

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      KP

      Dead right! Goes for NZ too! The ‘slightly less Left’ Party get in when desperate voters boot
      Labor out, then they never do what the campaigned on and never undo the damage Labor did!

      Its a downward spiral and only our technology has increased efficiencies enough to raise our living standards.

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    Shy Ted

    And the takeaway from the Libs loss is that Labour won because the Libs weren’t left enough. Shoulda gone greener. Winter’s coming. If it’s a cold one the grid won’t cope.

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    Peter C

    I fully agree that a Party should have clear and explicit principles. The Liberal Party has published principles but seems to have abandoned them.

    Detailed policies should align with the principles.

    How about these principles from the Liberal Democtrats;
    https://www.ldp.org.au/principles/

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    Alistair Crooks

    Hey Jo – since you are featuring SA – why not follow up this link …

    SAIF 39 – South Australia’s Stevens, Spurrier, Marshall and their Covidian Web of Lies

    Im guessing others will point it out but here it is (again?)

    [Jo will respond as she is able. – LVA]

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      Jo gets so many video suggestions she rarely is able to watch them. Sorry. I need convincing, but others may get something of this.

      Comments underneath are interesting.

      Otherwise, I got 8 minutes in, but the PCR stuff, while better than most — I like that they did FOIAs — wanders off from the main points that the audience need. It’s a distraction and waste of time, so I clicked off. If the SA Govt fakes up and amplifies the numbers of people scoring positive, that just artificially lowers the death and hospitalization rate, making the virus look less dangerous than it is. We’re in a swamp here. I don’t see the incentive to make the virus look less deadly. And contact tracing the false positives would make the virus seem less transmissible. I wish they just focused on the two things that matter (presumably they’ll get to that) but why waste a moment when they could talk about cheap safe drugs out of patent, and how doctors can’t prescribe what they want, or even talk about it?.

      The PCR tests are cross checked by several other methods. I’m not saying they are never abused, but it’s a rabbit hole that is not worth diving into. PCR tests have been used for three decades in courts and medical systems in millions of tests for hundreds of purposes. The only big deal I can see with them is that the governments restricted movements of people with high CT PCR’s that were highly unlikely to be infectious, and the medicos should have been more honest, transparent about the CT rounds, and as soon as it became known that people over CT 30 were unlikely to infect anyone they should have changed policy. I don’t know which month of the pandemic we finally got results of the infectiousness of high CT rounds. We obviously didn’t know that in March 2020.

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        with high CT PCR’s that were highly unlikely to be infectious,

        this assumes that the swab was done well or some other factor in the chain of custody. Variation occurs for reasons other than viral load.

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    Ronin

    SA is what happens when the right try to out left the left, why do they do it, it doesn’t work, as Morrison is going to find out shortly.

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    Forrest Gardener

    Never has politics seen any advancement of science or any form of rational decision making.

    And I have never seen any candidate for political power want anything more than power over others.

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      KP

      Dead right FG, even the most sanctimonious of them soon show their hunger for control once in power! I’m all for picking Parliament by ballot, a couple of hundred ordinary people go there for 4 years to do their best.

      Another good one is weighted votes- everyone gets one vote, but taxpayers get an extra one. Landowners & business-owners get more and so on. That pulls the weighting out from the non-achievers and moves it to those who have a vested interest in success.

      If we at least had some entrance qualifications for standing, rather than a lot of instagram followers.

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    Lance

    Best wishes and Good Luck, SA.

    You are going to need it.

    We shall see if S. Australians want more socialism or more individual responsibility and liberty.

    Quite the Canary in the AU coal mine.

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      another ian

      “Then there is hope – but hope is not a strategy”. E.M. Smith

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      yarpos

      Seems like they have made it perfectly clear they want socialism. I am betting their are also enough sheep to put Andrews back later this year in VIC. The case for going off grid in the mainstream societal sense gets stronger each day.

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    Dennis

    And today Sunday already SA Union controlled Labor is changing it’s story, a State Uluru Statement or agreement pending is one.

    Remember when Peter Garrett said in 2007 that whatever Labor campaigners said would be changed once Labor got into government?

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      Len

      As the Unions are controlled by Communists, it is the fulfilling of their project of establishing an independent Marxist Republic to divide the Nation.

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    Harves

    Always great to have SA run by Labor. It’s a small sacrifice to ensure the rest of the country has a first hand look at what they don’t want to be.

    State governments will increasingly be Labor now that they don’t care about balancing budgets, and encourage more and more people to put their hand out for freebies.

    We’ve pretty much reached the point where 50% plus of the voting population now depend on the Govt for their job or for payments in lieu of bothering to work. So, like junkies they’ll keep supporting the dealer who gives them their fix.

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    Betty Luks

    The headline in the Sunday Mail, 19th March 2022 reads simply: “SAINT PETER”

    It obviously meant to invoke in the readers’ minds a mental picture of the leader of the Labor Party as the new ‘righteous’ governing force in South Australia.

    I found the headline jarring, but let me explain why.

    The late French professor Rene Girard presented an insightful discussion about the denial of the Christian saint, Peter, and the problem of scapegoating and contagion. He sees in it an archetype of the whole human race.

    Peter is remembered for many things: his declaration of Jesus as the Messiah; his boasting of fidelity, followed by his threefold denial of Christ; and his subsequent repentance and heroic martyrdom

    Girard argued the scene is one of the most powerful stories in the Gospels, and in all literature. He said that “Peter is all man—and men cannot resist mimetic contagion.

    Girard warns that we should not simply think of this as Peter’s personal psychology and fear. Peter is not a “special case” or “weak individual.” He is representative of contagion and a willingness to go along with the crowd.

    And of course the political parties know very well how to use scapegoating to their advantage. How do you show you are part of the crowd? You join in scapegoating!

    In his acceptance speech for the 1978 Nobel prize for literature, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn also refers to the scapegoating in another context.

    He said: “The same old atavistic urges – greed, envy, unrestrained passion, and mutual hostility—readily picking up respectable pseudonyms like class, race, mass, or trade union struggle, claw at and tear apart our world. A primitive rejection of all compromise is given the status of a theoretical principle and is regarded as the high virtue which accompanies doctrinal purity…

    It is not even brute force alone that is victorious, but also its clamorous justification: the world is being flooded by the brazen conviction that force can do all, and righteousness—-nothing.

    Dostoyevsky’s Devils, who had seemed part of a provincial nightmarish fantasy of the last century, are now infesting the world before our eyes, reaching where they could not earlier have even been imagined…”

    But just in case you think yourself too clever-by-half to fall under the psycho-political spell of MSM think very carefully about Professor Mattias Desmet’s explanation of “Mass Formation Psychosis” now gripping 21st century man.

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      Len

      I remember reading about Archetypes in a book by John and Paula Sandford. It explains the Mass Formation psychosis but in the spiritual context.

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    Adellad

    Mali’s swimming pool shot – repeated ad nauseam on all media – apparently turned a very significant proportion of female voters towards the ALP. Good to know what issues really matters.

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    IanB

    The Libs have no one to blame except themselves, there has been continual purge of conservatives from the parliamentary ranks, particularly in the last 4 years. Every minister has been a so call moderate, even passing late term abortion legislation. Marshall is complicit in this, or has been unwilling (ie too weak) to put a stop to it. One particular person has been the chief antagonist, with the goal being the top job they have coveted for many years. So much for John Howard’s broad church, who was in Adelaide in the last days of campaign tying to salvage the unsalvageable.
    Four ex Lib conservative MPs contested the election as independents, three will hold their seats.

    The other disastrous move way back in last year was Marshall’s plan for a new stadium/entertainment centre costing $650 m. This has allowed Lab and the ambulance union to use this as a big stick to beat the Libs over the head with constantly ever since. Add to that the over egged ambulance ramping issue promoted by the union, caused by Labs disastrous Transforming Health program, closing hospitals and reducing available beds.

    To complete the stupidity Labor will take most of that $650 m and turn it into more green garbage in the shape of a hydrogen plant in Whyalla. Well I can point them in the right direction in a few years time to a plentiful supply of white paint at Pt Stanvac, the site of our never used two billion dollar de-salination plant. More white elephants encouraged by our not so conservative federal government.

    Unbelievable.

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      Kalm Keith

      “Four ex Lib conservative MPs contested the election as independents, three will hold their seats.”

      A look on the bright side; good news for them, a kick in the behind for the grine libls and a rejection of laba.

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      Graeme No.3

      I make it 4 out of 5 independents re-elected and the remaining one still with a chance.
      Yes, the new Entertainment centre was a disastrous decision so close to an election, whether it was needed or not.
      Marshall has quit as leader (which he never was) but says he will stay in Parliament. It will take weeks before the final result of his seat is known but with (about) 25% of people voting early I expect they won’t be part of the late surge towards Labor. I think that he will retire from Parliament in a year or two.

      His recent Deputy has gone which must rank as a victory as he wanted 100% renewables, and spent 3 years as Minister for Energy without learning the first thing about electricity generation. I suppose that he will be back trying in the next election.

      The hydrogen plant will be a white elephant but might help keep Whyalla steel going. Labor loves big, expensive white elephants.

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    Ronin

    Ronald Reagan had a saying, ‘dance with the one that brung you’, in other words, don’t forget how you got here.

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    Ronin

    It looks like the NSW ambos are taking a page out of SA’s playbook, massive industrial action beginning.

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    Ross

    You can read comments on blogs like this or even contributed to some of the MSM online “newspapers”. Some of them obviously from people in NSW who tend to be a little sanctimonious. That is, they project proudly how other states are run by the “lefties” and that their state is somehow better. The experience in SA, Vic, Qld and WA shows quite clearly that NSW LNP are probably living on borrowed time, in terms of time in office. All you need is a scandal, a couple of resignations, a new handsome young leader and a concerted media/social media push and bingo – you’ll get a Labor government just like that. When Perrottet started he projected himself as some true Liberal but has since gone back in his shell. I recently saw a video of him explaining how they brought back QR codes, not for any practical purposes, but because they thought the people felt safer by using them. When is the next NSW state election?

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      Regarding your last bit about QR. So what? They are there if you want to use them, they are not compulsory (insider knowledge as I am vacinated and get to go into public buildings)

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    Hanrahan

    So how do all you right of the crazy left people who advocate NOT voting conservative because they aren’t PERFECT feel now?

    How did that work out for you?

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      Wouldn’t they still put Liberal ahead of Labor on preferences and so their vote still ends up there anyway?

      Apart from that, it was not a factor.

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        Hanrahan

        If they put lib ahead of labor why not put lib No 1?

        This anti-lib attitude that is so pervasive here is nonsensical.

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          Why? Because their vote still goes to the same person but their primary vote gets counted and reported publicly. This has some potential implications. The most obvious is recording the support for the candidate and their policies. If you don’t put them at the top this support will not be recorded. Another is that money to the candidate if they achieved a certain level of primary vote.

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            ELECTION FUNDING GUIDE
            P a g e 4
            Eligibility and entitlement
            In summary, candidates who receive at least four per cent of the total number of formal
            first preference votes in an election are eligible to receive election funding.
            The value of the election funding entitlement is calculated by multiplying:
            ■ the total number of formal first preference votes received; by
            ■ the current election funding rate.
            For entitlements greater than $10,000 the amount of election funding payable is whichever
            is the lesser of:
            ■ the calculated election funding entitlement; or
            ■ the amount of demonstrated electoral expenditure.

            surely you want your preferred candidate to get some money?

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      I guess some never watched the. “how to use the preferential voting system”. video that was posted a while back !

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      IanB

      Our choice in the electorate we live in was, either the Liberal patsy that was only endorsed about a month before because they couldn’t find anyone to embarrass themselves.
      The other was a former Liberal now conservative independent who’s been ostracised and targeted since crossing the floor in support of his constituency. The local Liberal branch members deserted the Adelaide executive and supported the independent because of his support for them.

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    Scott Scarborough

    From Virginia USA. What is ambulance ramping? I thought I would be able to figure it out from the comments but I can’t.

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      robert rosicka

      Ramping is where you have more ambulances wanting to drop off patients than available beds and maybe staff to process each patient . So the ambulances have to line up and wait their turn .

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