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Natural immunity, still strong and durable 20 months later (no boosters needed)

Handy!: A group at Johns Hopkins checked 295 people who had caught Covid before (and tested positive). Amazingly, all but two of them still had antibodies and there was “no indication” that the antibodies were declining.

Natural immunity doesn’t always work this well. There are plenty of diseases where protection wanes after six months, like RSV, or Norovirus, and many common cold coronaviruses.

Natural Immunity to COVID-19 Detected at 20 Months After Infection: Study

 Zachary Stieber, Epoch Times

Protection against the virus that causes COVID-19 among the recovered was detected by researchers at 20 months post-infection, adding to the body of evidence that such protection, known as natural immunity, is long-lasting.

Researchers found antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein receptor-binding domain (RBD) in 99 percent of study participants who tested positive for COVID-19, with some having had the illness as long as 20 months prior.

The major takeaway is that natural immunity … is strong and durable,” [Dr Dorry] Segev told The Epoch Times in an email.

Dr. Dorry Segev, the director of the Epidemiology Research Group in Organ Transplantation at Johns Hopkins University.

There were three groups involved in the study. Of the 295 people who “thought they had had Covid” about half of them actually had. And of 246  who thought they “had never had Covid” 10% appear to have had an asymptomatic infection.

There have been many anecdotes of reinfections with Covid, which doesn’t gel easily with this study. Perhaps some antibodies are just not protective? Cross protection between variants may be a hit-and-miss thing.

These results just mean people still have antibodies to whatever strain they caught. That’s good, but it doesn’t mean they will be protected against other strains of Covid. Nor does this result necessarily apply to the very high risk, or old or immunocompromised, who weren’t in the study.

It is nonetheless, indisputably better than immunity generated by vaccines.

So why don’t  we do more testing for natural antibodies?

These antibody tests exist and are called Serology Point-of-Care Tests. But The Australian TGA tells us that these are illegal to supply to Australian citizens direct. They are only available through their doctors, and maybe not even then (doctors argue they are too busy)?

“It is illegal to supply or advertise these COVID-19 serology point-of-care tests as self-tests or home use tests in Australia.”

Note: Some states and territories have prohibited or restricted use of serology point-of-care tests. Please visit the relevant government website for further information.

It’s not that the tests can physically hurt people, but they might give them dangerous ideas — like maybe that they don’t need to be vaccinated?

It would have been an easy way to see if Novak Djokovic had immunity. Better than a court case.

REFERENCE

Alejo et al (2022) Prevalence and Durability of SARS-CoV-2 Antibodies Among Unvaccinated US Adults by History of COVID-19, JAMA. Published online February 3, 2022. doi:10.1001/jama.2022.1393

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130 comments to Natural immunity, still strong and durable 20 months later (no boosters needed)

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    New Study ‘finds Evidence’ Over Coronavirus Origin: ‘Started In Wuhan Lab’

    A researcher from the University of Hamburg, Dr Roland Wiesendanger, has published a 100-page paper saying that the COVID-19 virus emerged in a Wuhan lab.

    The study isn’t new or actual, the context to actuality is given by interview the Swizzerland NZZ lead with Dr Wisendanger, as did the German online medium Cicero. So Drosten is a bit angry, and in the Rahmstorf style seeing “a campaign”, discrediting the study and the author and is fighting back, but without arguments.

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      TedM

      Shows a remarkable correlation Krishna. There again I’m already convinced of the risks from the mRNA and adenovirus vaxxes.

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    Erasmus

    The relatives, namely flu viruses, change every year too. Or so we are told. That’s why there’s a new jab every year for them.
    How essential the annual flu shot really is remains subject to some doubt.
    The big news (apart from the origin of Covid 19) is the obfuscation and downright lying and generalised deception of the MSM. We can’t trust them to be truthful about any topic these days, be it weather, energy, or politics.
    Dishonest media can’t guard the national interests or individual rights any more.

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      Mal

      My wife, now 72 was a infant’s school teacher. Never had a flu shot in her life. Has never had the flu in the last 45 years
      I never had a a flu shot. I’ve never had the flu. I spent half of my working life in an office environment where many of the staff got flu on a regular basis.
      Make what you will of that, but I believe in natural immunity wherever possible

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        Same here Mal. I have not had a cold or the Flu since last Century. My immune system rules OK. BTW, I have had many vaccinations in my lifetime including those for Polio, Smallpox and many other diseases. Not once was there any talk about a booster follow up. I have asked for my “top notch” gold plated immune system certificate but to no avail. Apparently, it is not possible to test the immune system and no certificates are available at this time. I will not compromise my natural immunity for a corrupt Government/Big Pharma Mafia Racket peddling an experimental (mental) gene therapy drug that only has emergency approval……..I am following the Human Trails closely and the results are confirming my suspicions as every day goes by…………………..

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          Furiously+Curious

          Doesn’t an AIDs test check the immune system? There was some non formal medi guy getting patients AIDS tests, to see what was happening to the immune system after vax shots.

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        John Hultquist

        Were the both of you raised on a farm or ranch, and got to play with the animals and in the dirt?

        The Hygiene Hypothesis

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          Erasmus

          I was, up to high school age, in a small country town with farmer’s sons for friends, so at most times quite rural.

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          Lawrie

          A lot of farm kids seem to withstand the onslaught of the yearly flu. I cannot recall my father ever being sick until he developed lymphoma. He might get a cold but the only time he went to bed was when we both got mumps. I get bronchitis but seldom get the flu. Nothing like a good dose of cow pox, BS and dirt to keep you relatively healthy. I have been laid low with Q fever and an unidentified virus that made me delirious with severe headaches for about ten days.

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      One of the questions perpetually on my mind is how successful have we been historically with cold/flu vaccines historically?

      Cold vaccines are largely non-existent and Coronavirus is in that family if I’m not mistaken. As you mention the flu vaccine, a different family from the colds, is dubious in its success at best. I’ve had it a few times, but at least they tell us it’s largely a “best guess” vaccine with variable efficacy.

      I’m not opposed to vaccination in the least and was late in getting my Covid vaccine due to the boondoggle in acquiring the vaccine in Canada and my doctor also recommending the shingles vaccine (which I had one heck of a reaction to the second shot). I have two Covid shots but zero interest in a third, though work may well mandate it. The shingles vaccine is a fascinating comparison – I’ve had my two shot and there’s no need for boosters. Ever. So the Covid vaccine is at best a therapeutic IMO. There are cheaper, safer therapeutics out there so why the mandates? I suspect it has a whole lot to do with wealth transfer. Not really a moral or valid rationale for mandates.

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        Ian

        “Cold vaccines are largely non-existent and Coronavirus is in that family if I’m not mistaken.”

        Strictly speaking you are mistaken. There are two families Rhinoviruses and Coronaviruses but both can cause “colds”

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          Common colds are also caused by adenoviruses and enteroviruses, Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), parainfluenza viruses, metapnumovirus, influenza viruses, as well as 99+ rhinoviruses and the four subtypes of corona common colds.

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      Katzenjammer

      Ditto. Never had a flue shot. I’ve let flues, fevers and colds come and go as they please and they hardly effect me. Last one I remember with any real difficult symptoms was back in about the late 60s when a rare fever raging in Melbourne had me shivering with hot and cold flushes and halucinating for a couple of days. Deep sleep, not much food, and water and orange juice beat it off.

      This latest virus came and went over about an eight hour period last August. I almost totally isolated in my unit for a few weeks because others in my inner city flats might be much more susceptible. Some people really suffer from it.

      They say the unvaxxed are selfish. They have no idea what we do to ensure our own and the health of others. And act with respect for their emotional fears even when we dispute the validity of those fears.

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    Kalm Keith

    Great news; the curtain of Covid Catastrophism is pulled back to reveal more of the truth.

    Another recent “outing” says that lockdowns have caused significant damage to society out of all proportion to any benefit in suppressing CV19.

    KK

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      Zigmaster

      I don’t know who you think it’s revealed to. As usual nothing in main stream media, nothing from government and the social media will tag this as misinformation. It might get some coverage if Novak can report it as some sort of expose in revealing about his issues in Australia but even then the forces that are controlling the narrative will drown him out.

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        Kalm Keith

        “I don’t know who you think it’s revealed to”.

        ?

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          Lawrie

          I don’t know to whom you think it has been revealed. Get it right Keith.

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            Kalm Keith

            What Mr. Z has written seemed to be correct English but I was just wondering why he addressed it to my comment when I was simply commenting on what Jo had “revealed” to all the world in her post.

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        I thought that the Djokovic saga might open up the issue of acquired immunity – but the government was not going to risk that. Instead, the Minister invoked his ministerial prerogative specious reasons relating to “civil unrest” .

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      Klem

      I dont know but it seems almost like the government is more interested in power and control than our health.

      (I better take off my tinfoil hat before I get into trouble)

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    TdeF

    When is the CCP going to pay a price for the misery and death they launched on an unsuspecting world, championed by their new friend heading the UN World Health Organization, Tedros Adhonem. Here he is as the finishing leg of the Olympic torch relay, champion to all and best friend of President Xi..

    Next to Dr. Fauci who funded the virus and berated all those sceptics and conspiracy theorists who dared suggest China was responsible. Is there to be only fame and fortune for these devils as Tedros is re-elected unapposed and Fauci gets richer?

    And why is the UN unscathed, the source of all the alleged conspiracies like Climate Change, mass migration misery and the allegations of xenophobia against Trump? There is no devastation from Global Warming. The virus was man made. All the devastation of Western democracies is being directed by the UN, assisted ably by the Democrats and the ultra rich Davos set who are rapidly getting richer with every disaster. Disband the UN. It is only bringing misery to the world. Fire Fauci and put Xi and Adhonem on trial in the Hague for crimes against humanity.

    So which virus is next?

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      Kalm Keith

      AUSUNEXIT

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      Ando

      Id say the ccp has bought enough influence around the world that they will never pay a price.
      High ranking ministers in this country sell off our ports then walk straight in to $800k jobs with the ccp company the port was flogged off to! That would be bad enough if it was a neutral country but we are talking about a brutal communist dictatorship here. Treason is not a thing anymore apparently. Dastyari is media darling now after being caught red handed taking chinese cash. No charges, no trial, no fines, no prison time. The uniparty looks after its own…

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    clarence.t

    Not sure if its been linked before, but it appears that NZ had a vaccine related “all death mortality” spike..

    The peak can’t be from Covid, because NZ remained isolated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVxmAIKjYM4

    Not sure what their normal annual “all cause mortality” curve looks like.

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      Scissor

      Funeral homes are doing booming business in the U.S. and their stocks are rising accordingly. The life insurance business is not doing so well as non-covid death payouts greatly exceed premiums. What could be causing this?

      https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/long-funeral-homes-short-life-insurers-ex-blackrock-fund-manager-discovers-some-disturbing

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        Mantaray Yunupingu

        Scissor; There are two listed funeral providers in Oz, both up by 40% or so in the past 12 months. Plenty of blue sky yet, and that’s all i’ll say.

        Meanwhile, latest guesses from real estate “experts” is a serious decline in home prices over 2022. This is supposed to be due to the threat of rising interest rates but, as with all markets the fundamental driver is supply vs demand regardless of which external factor (interest rates IS an external factor) affects supply or demand.Thus…

        Increasing deaths will drive funeral numbers and ALSO deceased estate home supply. Also, tough as it may be….with gene-jabs killing 10 times the number of younger men than is “normal” more mature fellas in good shape may have to step into the breach in places like Tinder, and all those other places where purebloods are in VERY high demand. Cheers.

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        John Hultquist

        With a high percentage of people in the oldest age groups, it is not a surprise that many are going to meet the maker or whatever.

        At this site: https://www.census.gov/topics/population/older-aging.html

        … there is a chart showing USA population by age cohort.
        Thin dark lines show the pyramid shape for 1900. This shape is the source of the name for the type of chart.
        Note the top cohort [85+] is currently quite large, majority female, and well past the average life span (78) of U. S. citizens.
        Numbers for the World show “Over 65” – – World 9.3% & USA 17%

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      OldOzzie

      Queensland records its highest day of Covid deaths along with 8,508 new cases – as top doctor issues an urgent warning to all the state’s residents

      – Queensland recorded its deadliest day with 21 new deaths reported on Saturday
      Of the new deaths, four were unvaccinated and only two had their booster shots
      – Dr John Gerrard said he was concerned some deaths could have been avoided
      – He told residents to get their third dose as soon as possible for better protection

      ‘We know 70 per cent of Queenslanders over the age of 70 have received the booster …and yet over 90 per cent of people who have died (in the state) …are unboosted,’ Dr Gerrard said.

      ‘There is plenty of booster out there, there is no need to wait … particularly for the elderly.’

      Public hospitalisations have fallen to 727 – down from 798 – while ICU rates have dropped to 46 – dipping from 52.

      In private hospitals there are 63 patients – a drop from 66 – and two in ICU.

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        Aaron

        “We know 70 per cent of Queenslanders over the age of 70 have received the booster …and yet over 90 per cent of people who have died (in the state) …are unboosted,’ Dr Gerrard said”.

        Two shots don’t work then?

        90 percent are also geriatrics with co-morbidities.

        The spin is getting desperate.

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      AC Osborn

      Your question is very important.
      They should have plotted their spike on the all cause chart.

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    philemon

    “It’s not that the tests can physically hurt people, but they might give them dangerous ideas — like maybe that they don’t need to be vaccinated?”

    Yeah, the push to get everyone to take the shots isn’t the least bit creepy./s

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      Klem

      Exactly right. When governments around the world began to push hard for the vaccine, and all in lockstep, that’s when the ‘creepy alarm’ went off for me.

      It was the feverishness and urgency of the push that made me avoid the jab at all costs.

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    el+gordo

    This story has been going around for a few days.

    ‘Chinese researchers say their ‘godsend’ new antibody may neutralise variant and future strains.

    ‘Surprise discovery – made while Fudan University researchers were investigating another disease – would put humans ‘a step ahead’ in race against the pandemic.

    ‘New antibody was synthesised from components of two different antibodies produced by human immune cells, according to paper.’ (SCMP)

    Link: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3165579/omicron-chinese-researchers-say-their-godsend-new-antibody-may

    [Added Link. – LVA]

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    David Maddison

    Do you recall that part of the propaganda was that you could get covid multiple times and that contrary to what we know about how the immune system generally works, there was no immunity conferred by prior infection?

    This of course was propaganda in support of the claim that the only way to produce immunity was by injections and multiple “boosters”. As I have stated before, the Australian Government has purchased enough doses of the “vaccine” for nearly ten doses for every person in Australia aged zero plus to be injected nearly ten times each.

    As regards to the government banning the use of DIY antibody tests, that’s another disgraceful aspect of living in one of the world’s most comprehensive Nanny States. If people want to know their antibody status, why not? They will be more immune than the vaccine provides for anyway. Obviously the government is determined to inject everybody, and probably up to ten times each. Follow the money trail!

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      RoHa

      ” the Australian Government has purchased enough doses of the “vaccine” for nearly ten doses for every person in Australia aged zero plus to be injected nearly ten times each.”

      Then it is our patriotic duty to get injected ten times each. We cannot allow our caring governemtn Ministers to feel they have wasted public money. It would upset them, and we don’t want that, do we?

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        The idea that we could get Covid multiple times is firmly backed up with the way we re-catch the same common coronavirus colds, year after year.

        That wasn’t propaganda. Just science. We really did need to “wait for data”.

        If we are going to fight battles, let’s pick the right ones.

        Quite a few instant virologists around. I caution against assumptions backed by no research.

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          Klem

          This is what I do not understand. Until the last two years almost no one ever went to doctors about their colds, they simply stayed home from school or work for a couple of days.

          And almost no doctors tested for the type of virus to determine whether it was a cold or flu because the treatment was the same same, just stay home and take Tylenol.

          So if almost no one went to doctors and almost no doctors tested them, where have health departments been getting their cold/flu data for the past 50 years?

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            Klem, No. People go to docs for colds all the time.

            And Doctors do routinely PCR test for serious “ILI” – which means Influenza Like Infections, and they do it a lot.

            See VirusWatch (WA) for example (but every state will have something like this) — it’s the weekly report — which has been running for years and is used by GP’s and researchers.

            See Figure 4. There is no influenza in WA (predictable with the borders closed and the short lockdown in April 2020 which easily extinguished influenza with an Ro of 1.4). Yet every week for the last 100 weeks of Covid, doctors in WA who suspect influenza ask for tests and in a state of 2.5m people they are still doing 500 tests a week. 500 tests and Zero cases.

            “Figure 5. None of the 551 specimens submitted for influenza PCR testing at PathWest were positive in the past week”. Week ending 5th Dec 2021 (I confess to being surprised this is out of date. Usually when I check it, it is within a couple of weeks. Hmmm?).

            People who are not involved in the medical industry have no idea has vast it is. Everything health related is 1000 x bigger than everything climate related.

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      Canada is in the same boat. We have purchased multiple doses per person, though I know not whether it’s as much as ten. But yes, I wonder what politicians’ investment portfolios look like.

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    Greg in NZ

    Listened to an interview (this morning on RNZ) with Prof. Lone Simonsen, Danish epidemiologist, who was talking on this very subject.

    She said in Denmark rapid antigen / serology tests (available to anyone) could distinguish between shot-induced and naturally acquired immunity: the jabees produced antibodies whereas the un-jabbed, hence naturally immune, produced nuclear protein(s), which weren’t present in the shot jabees’ blood.

    A lot of this lingo goes over my head yet I’m trying to comprehend the ins-and-outs of all this mumbo-jumbo haemoglobin talk, if only to fend off the verbal barbs from the now-addicted Jabberwocky massformation crowd.

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    Dave of Reedy Creek, Qld.

    More horrible information out of Israel, the four times vaxxed are dying at a frightful rate. The graph I saw showed Omicron death levels higher than Alpha and Delta. Now Australia is saying our citizens must have a the first booster or you are not vaccinated. Doesn’t the PM and Premiers know or care that the multi vaxxed are dying everywhere?

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      David Maddison

      Doesn’t the PM and Premiers know or care that the multi vaxxed are dying everywhere?

      No.

      And there are plenty of collaborators to help them cover up the truth.

      It’s a crime they know they can get away with.

      Until Nuremberg Mk 2, that is.

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        Please can we all write a bit more carefully thanks (not aimed at David specifically, many people are getting a bit too colorful).

        Comments with hyperbolic terms are slow to approve and I am pretty weary of the Nuremberg mentions too. I know it’s relevant, but there is no guarantee it will happen, and it’s very repetitive.

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      Ando

      They appear to be incapable of using this thing called the internet to see what is happening in countries that have already gone down the same path.
      More likely is that they know exactly what is going on and will continue to force these faux vaxxines on people until their immune systems are cactus.

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      Mantaray Yunupingu

      Dave, and Ando. When a Nigerian Prince next makes contact, suggesting you send $10,000 so’s he can transfer $50 Million into your bank account….then requests another ten grand…and then another and another, do not send any of the dough!

      He is not making mistakes, nor is he inept, nor hopeless, nor is he actually in it to transfer $50 Million. These Princes (there are many!) are not in it to help you at all.

      And so it is with the elites who want to get everyone in tip-top shape so’s they can resume their normal lives…..via endless gene-jabs. How hard can it be to accept this is malevolence…writ large?

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      John Hultquist

      I wonder if we are reading the same news?
      {RE: Israelis over 60 who are … }
      Asking for a friend.

      https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-omicron-in-israel-unvaccinated-die-in-much-higher-numbers-1.10586137

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        GreatAuntJanet

        How about Africans? John Campbell’s interview with Ugandan doctors last week (and the data from South Africa) reveals omicron has only mild symptoms, comparable to flu, in a higher proportion of instances. And they are not highly vaccinated, for economic reasons.

        His previous coverage of Israeli vaccination data seemed to indicate that the periods between boosters was needing to be shortened each time. Not a good sign.

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        Enthalpy

        Answer probably lies in the definition of unvaxxed.

        If you have had no jab and a jab is available then you are unvaxxed
        If you have had one jab and a second jab is available you are unvaxxed
        If you have had two jabs and a third jab is available you are unvaxxed
        If you …..

        When >90% of the population has had at least 1 jab then most of the people dying cant be “unvaxxed” unless the above definition applies

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        Lucky

        With such a high level of reported vaxing, and so many more non-vaxed dying that vaxed, you would have thought that Israel would not have any non-vaxed left.

        Yet, as Haatetz continues to report, the non-vaxed appear to be replenishing in sufficient numbers to be reported as dying faster.

        Yes, I will go with Enthalpy who explains,
        they are playing with definitions so a previously vaxed person who dies is redefined as non-vaxed.

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        Hbhp

        John
        Watch the slippery stats the article starts with true percentages and slithers over to number/100000 in over 60s only. Quick changes in focus and over different groups of statistics is a big red flag for cherry-picking.

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    David Maddison

    (Spelling note: Modelling with one “l” is US spelling, with two l’s is UK spelling…)

    One of the claims of reinfection and lack of natural immunity comes from “modelling”. I posted this earlier with respect to omicron.

    This reliance on modelling without validation is like warmist modellers making prouncements of a global warming catastrophe and never bothering to look out the window to see the snowstorm.

    On a previous thread I wrote:

    (It) doesn’t seem plausible that for a person with a healthy immune system that they can suffer multiple reinfections with the same pathogen within what I presume is a short period of time that omicron has been around. That sounds like propaganda.

    However, I think the report referred to is one with the principal investigator of Neil Ferguson. But it’s all “modelling”.

    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/omicron-largely-evades-immunity-from-past/

    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/report-49-Omicron/

    It wouldn’t be the first time Ferguson made a big mistake with modelling:

    https://www.heritage.org/public-health/commentary/failures-influential-covid-19-model-used-justify-lockdowns

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      Forrest Gardener

      At one stage Israel looked to be a leader in protecting its people. There was even talk of an antiviral pill. Somebody screwed up big time.

      A functioning government or a functioning media would take an interest in what seems to work and what doesn’t. There is plenty of guidance to be had from various regions and countries doing better and worse at managing infection rates.

      My only hope is that the doomsday scenarios of injection induced population scale harm are overstated with the effects of the injections wearing off over time.

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      John Hultquist

      Alex Berenson is a former New York Times reporter and the author of 13 novels, three non-fiction books, and the Unreported Truths booklets. His newest book, PANDEMIA, on the coronavirus and our response to it, was published on Nov. 30.

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      In Israel, the unvaccinated include the never-vaxed, the uni-vaxed, the double-vaxed, the treble-vaxed and the quadruple-vaxed up to fourteen days after the fourth vaccination.

      So in Israel, as Dave of Reedy Creek says, if the four times vaxxed are dying at a frightful rate. Then if they die within two weeks of being given the fourth vaccination, they are classified as unvaxed.

      Professor Kuhbandner found the same pattern of post-vaccination death in Israel as in Germany. Large jumps in mortality immediately following the vaccine campaigns.

      After Professor Fenton and others uncovered the 14 day scam and other statistical manipulations by the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA). An unprecedented letter of condemnation from the head of the Office for Statistics Regulation (OSR), Ed Humpherson, criticised the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) for providing statements “Unsupported by the data” and demanded much greater transparency on health data. Problems with the Office for National Statistics (ONS) data as regards the 14 day scam, originate from the UKHSA. In fact the Covid rules imposed by the UKHSA are identical to those imposed by the US Centers for Disease Control. This links the British rules with Dr Fauci. Both the USA rules and the UK rules classify people as unvaccinated up to 14 days after they have been vaccinated. All the data manipulation seems to originate from Dr Fauci, and then everyone else follows the consensus.

      The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) was a brand new agency set up at the height of the covid pandemic. The BMJ editorial described the creation of the agency as “extremely foolhardy”.

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    Yesterday the Therapeutic Goods Administration web site showed that for the 51 years of data collection, vaccines, other that for Covid, were 76 in number and they caused 19,360 reported adverse reactions which included 60 deaths.

    There are 4 vaccines reported for Covid and they caused 104,955 adverse reactions including 748 deaths. These vaccines were available for 10 months from 21 February 2021. This means that relative to the 51 years of all other vaccines, the four Covid vaccines caused adverse reactions at a rate 330 times greater per 10 month period than for all other vaccines. Further, the Covid vaccines caused deaths at a rate of 760 times greater per 10 month period than all other vaccines.

    Does this not imply that there is something very wrong with the Covid vaccines?

    Interestingly, in earlier years Australia had a large population of the homo sapien species. From current reports it would appear the vast majority are now a genetically modified sub-spies of homo sapien with the above figures showing that it may a regressive sub-species that will not be around for very long.

    Our doctors, nurses and pharmacists between them are killing 2 or 3 people every day and physically injuring hundreds. This has to stop !

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      David Maddison

      Interestingly, in earlier years Australia had a large population of the homo sapien species.

      To be replaced by Homo sapiens stupidus.

      (Term coined by N BIGELOW. Psychiatr Q. 1962 Jul.)

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      max

      Interestingly, in earlier years Australia had a large population of the homo sapien species.

      leftist usually subject enemies to an airbrushing from history, recent example is extinction of the Australian pygmies

      No one today with a lay interest in Aboriginal anthropology, and few of those doing introductory courses in the subject, would ever find out that Australia had a pygmy people.

      https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/history-wars/2002/06/the-extinction-of-the-australian-pygmies/

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        David Maddison

        The Pygmy Aboriginals had to be written out of history to support the narrative that Australia only ever had one ancient human migration, not multiple migrations like every other continent or areas.

        Australia would be unique if it only had one ancient migration as claimed.

        Of course, study of the Mungo Man remains are now prohibited.

        Even the Tasmanian Aboriginals who were part of a separate migration from the mainland are now claimed to be the same population group as mainlanders.

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      John R Smith

      The crime that of some us could see unfolding is becoming more visible.
      This will be a painful process.
      Many will be pretend, or even convince themselves, they didn’t know.
      The factions may become more entrenched, but I’m grasping faint that hope that the formation will unform.

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      James Reid

      And… how much under reporting is occurring? I know of many anecdotal but first hand accounts of doctors not reporting these as “post vaccination” events.

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      Hbhp

      Hi Bevan one of the 4 listed is TNS this stands for type not specified, there are deaths in this group people have died of confirmed vaccine injury and nobody knows which one it was.
      The TGA like the rest of the system is rotten to the core.

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    OldOzzie

    No Benefit, Many Costs

    Yet another study finds that lockdowns did little to slow the spread of Covid

    From the Comments

    Senator Ron Johnson is hosting a Covid 19 panel to address some disturbing DOD medical billing data from the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database.

    there was an astronomical increase in several serious illnesses and disorder diagnoses in the US military since the rushed rollout of the Covid-19 vaccine.

    From another press report, Israel is measured to have the highest vaccination rate in the world. Yet, recent statistics portray the unexpected — Israel also has the world’s highest Covid death rate per one million people. The graph displays a shocking rise in death rates from the beginning of 2022 — at a time when the fourth booster was being promulgated.

    Look up T-Cell Exhaustion. Previously associated with cancers and hiv aids diagnosis it’s a state where overstimulation of the bodies immune systems…bombardment of antigens renders your own natural immune system useless and it’s permanent. It’s akin to the body using up all it’s ammo and so can no longer fight the war.

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    Mal

    I sated this at the start of the “pandemic” and repeated many times over the last 2 years.
    The panicdemic was always going to be 10 times worse than the pandemic.
    I was wrong, it’s many multiples worse than the 10 times.
    The loss of freedoms,The rise of tyrannical governments, the transfer of burden onto the next generation from the out of control debt burden.
    This will also be compounded by the green renewable brigade who have had a taste of how easy it is to control the masses through propaganda and fear.
    Homo stupidis is now the dominant form of human.

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    Kippax

    Out of curiosity I am getting myself a Covid antibody test at Imedical.com.au

    No idea whether I have ever had it or not

    https://imedical.com.au/order/blood-tests/private-blood-tests?product_id=125

    I think they also do Vitamin D tests

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      James Reid

      Thx for that info.

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      Mantaray Yunupingu

      Kippax. The ONLY people who should be taking an antibody test….and ONLY via a totally independent lab…are politicians.

      We will then know that none of them have been gene-jabbed when they ALL come up negative.

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    Ando

    Ill take the 20 months over the 1 month double jabbed gives you. With the added benefit of no myocarditis or blood clots.

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    You may remeber some day earlier I posted the German change from 6 to 3 month to be accepted as recovered while others increased the acceptance to 12 month.
    What I read later was the unbelievabel, generating a lot of protests. The decrease in length was only valid for “normal” people, not for the members of the German “Bundestag” (members of the Federal Parliament) Can someone imagine that ?

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    Ronin

    I must have missed the part where it was stated if the test subjects were vaxxed or not.
    Anybody ?

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Natural immunity is like Kryptonite to the money making activities of super rort drug companies like Pfizer.

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    Gary H

    From Fauci’s NIH. Note the date. Best I could tell (from time to time) not a single MSM outlet covered this. And, we all know why.

    What’s more troubling, I don’t even think that Sen Rand Paul ever brought it up when Fauci was on the stand?

    January 26, 2021
    Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19#.YFfNntEk3ig.twitter

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    Steve of Cornubia

    In the UK’s Daily Mail today: “Does vitamin D protect against Covid after all?”

    I should be happy, but all that does for me is make me think, “It took them this long to even acknowledge the possibility?”

    Still, it’s one more brick OUT of the wall.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10477041/Does-Vitamin-D-work-Covid-Israeli-study-finds-nutrient-big-indicator-severity.html

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    robert rosicka

    Must be a glitch at the AEMO dashboard page , all states except Tassie are on $0.00.

    https://www.aemo.com.au/Energy-systems/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-NEM/Data-Dashboard-NEM

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    Ross

    Back in the good old days- you, know 2020, Trump hosted press conferences which were broadcast on Youtube. At the time they were better than Gladys and Dan who were continually droning on about ventilators and promises of icu beds. During one of those sessions Trump made a comment to Fauci about ” how we need to get those antibody tests out to people so they could check their immune response easily”. Fauci, looked at Trump and said “yes, that would be a good idea”. Not long after, those Youtube sessions were pulled, because they made Trump look good. After, like all those good suggestions early on in the pandemic, that idea obviously got quashed or restricted. Again, I suppose to not draw attention away from the the impending vaccine development. Wow, just imagine if all those early anti-virals had been approved back in 2020, we had readily available RAT’s and antibody tests. I can help but think the world would have been a better place.

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    Ian1946

    More evidence of the incompetence of Pfizer, their Omicron “vaccine” does not work.

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/very-concerning-news-for-the-vaccinated

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      David Maddison

      (A little off topic but this is extremely important.)

      Dr Suneel Dand’s latest video explaing how now, even the British Medical Journal is now complsining about Facebook’s “fact checking” who are claiming as misinformation the BMJ’s expose of incompetent or even fraudulent clinical trials of a certain covid vaccine as recently reported here by No.

      https://youtu.be/vBpbV2TGbac

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      Lucky

      The Pfizer Omicron vax ineffective-
      That means governments will double, or triple, the mandatory doses.

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    So Jo, if natural immunity is good (and lets face it, we knew it was good before this study) why are our govts only allowing a 6 month duration exemption against being jabbed???

    More evidence that our politicians are just Pharma salespeople and not actual representatives of us. …

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    John Connor II

    ‘80% of serious COVID cases are fully vaccinated’ says Ichilov hospital director

    Are Israeli hospitals really overloaded with unvaccinated COVID patients? According to Prof. Yaakov Jerris, director of Ichilov Hospital’s coronavirus ward, the situation is completely opposite.

    “Right now, most of our severe cases are vaccinated,” Jerris told Channel 13 News. “They had at least three injections. Between seventy and eighty percent of the serious cases are vaccinated. So, the vaccine has no significance regarding severe illness, which is why just twenty to twenty-five percent of our patients are unvaccinated.”

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674

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    GreatAuntJanet

    It is very annoying how little reliable information you can find in the public health system (probably anywhere). I’m an oldie who took the first two (AZ) jabs in my usual obedient habit, but since then have developed major doubt about the safety of these things, especially seeing the force and coercion being applied to the populations, the changed language, the banning of other treatments and attempted subdued reporting about vaccine side effects. Soon I will be getting cataract surgery and the eye specialist asks for current vaccination status proof. Pretty sure the Qld gov are going to change the definition of fully vaccinated any time now.

    I really don’t want the booster – especially an MRNA one – but it is impossible to find out if I will be safe enough to get AZ again if I have to have something. I don’t have a doc I completely trust any more either. Even catching covid in the meantime wouldn’t absolve me of the need for the booster, would it, even if I had then got a good dose of natural immunity?

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      Steve of Cornubia

      Hi Janet. I’m not a doctor and have no relevant expertise, but I think an important factor in the decision whether or not to have the ‘vaccine’ should include your personal risk factor. It’s very clear now that Covid mostly threatens the elderly, plus those with a vitamin D deficiency, obesity and/or the existence of other significant health issues; also those with compromised immune systems. I think ‘The Science’ shows that appropriate nutrition and supplementation (where required), combined with weight management, are far more effective than another trip to the Jabattoir for further boosters of the current ‘vaccines that don’t vaccinate’.

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      clarence.t

      I hereby donate my ration of jabs to more needy/deserving people..

      I’m sure they will roll up their sleeves for the extras. 😉

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    OriginalSteve

    “So why don’t we do more testing for natural antibodies?”

    Because the aim of all this is appears to be sticking needles in people.

    If we did antibody testing, people could avoid being held down and stuck with a gene therapy drug…..

    All around the world the covid lie is collapsing, which I think is why Bidet has been told by Zi to start a war.

    Interestingly ( and I digress somewhat ) if the USA and Russia wipe each other out, who is left ?

    China. And there is the silent manipulator of this whole mess. Always comes back to the CCP…..

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    Bill+In+Oz

    Thanks Jo for telling us about this study.
    It is heartening to know that once having got a Covid infection
    Our bodies retain anti-bodies to that strain for a lengthy period of time
    And maybe for a range of strains.

    But a few questions still remain :
    1: What is the impact of the vaccines on our body’s natural immunity ?

    2: Does this natural immunity following infection prevent further infection by that strain …. Or merely allow us to fight it off easily ?

    3 : Does this natural immunity prevent us becoming agents of transmission to others Or does stop the process ?

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    OldOzzie

    J&J tried to worm its way out of paying $3.5BN to victims of cancer-causing baby talc by forming a new company and declaring BANKRUPTCY and then tried to GAG journalists from reporting it

    – J&J secretly launched ‘Project Plato’ last year to shift liability from about 38,000 pending Baby Powder talc lawsuits to a newly created subsidiary
    – The subsidiary company, LTL, was then put into bankruptcy in October in order for J&J to limit its financial exposure to the lawsuits
    – Company said it placed LTL into bankruptcy to settle those claims rather than litigating them individually J&J and claims doing so was legitimate
    – The claims alleged J&J’s talc-based products contained asbestos and caused mesothelioma and ovarian cancer

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    OldOzzie

    FDA Quickly Deletes Moderna Vaccine Data Showing Rate of Heart Inflammation Post-Vaccination is 2.6x HIGHER Than Previously Reported (VIDEO)

    Earlier this week, the US Food and Drug Administration announced that it had ‘fully approved’ the Moderna Covid vaccine for use in all US adults over 18 years old.

    Just like the Pfizer vaccine ‘approval,’ the FDA ignored several serious red flags and circumvented their own expert vaccine advisory panel to ‘fully approve’ the Moderna vaccine. Also similar to Pfizer’s ‘Comirnaty vaccine’ approval, Moderna’s ‘Spikevax,’ is not actually available in the US, but, rather, is able to be swapped out with the previous version that is still under EUA approval.

    It is unlikely that the fully approved ‘Spikevax’ will be seen in the states anytime soon, especially considering the massive stockpile of Moderna EUA vaccines that has been compiled by the US government.

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    Steve of Cornubia

    Lots of talk now about how, factoring in the fact that the majority is allegedly ‘vaccinated’, the unvaccinated are still over-represented in the hospitalised cohort. Much talk of percentages. Fair enough.

    But it seems to me that a relative risk evaluation of the ‘vaccinated’ vs unvaccinated should include both those who nevertheless get sick or die, AND those who suffer adverse reactions to the shots. That combined cohort should then be compared with the unvaccinated who suffer serious illness or death from Covid.

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    OldOzzie

    Hey Canberra, do you hear the people sing?

    Just a reminder of the view from Pakistan.

    Screen Shot 2022-02-05 at 12.51.50 pm

    From the Comments

    Yes, wake up all of those bedwetting woke leftist battery hens in Canberra that actually work for us. Many of the supposedly “100%” vaxed ACT zombie population will be disrupted today from getting another booster, jabbing their kids, buying a new cardigan or checking out the latest feminist exhibit at the war memorial, done them a favour on any front………

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    Katzenjammer

    If you’re not vaccinated against a specific virus, and your antibody system rallies to successfully fend it off, that’s not due to memory cells. If it did it once, demonstrating how robust your defences are, then it can most likely do it again. Measuring remnants of antibody memory is a furphy that only has meaning for those who required synthetic prompting of antibodies via a vaccine. That type of antibody generation can only be viable agaisnt the specific virus it’s designed for.

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    Destroyer D69

    Short,sharp response from my GP (QLD) to a request for a covid serum antibody test additional to my annual blood test series”That is not available”

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    UK-Weather Lass

    A nicely written piece by Kwai Lou on China’s very weak attempt to deny complicity in almost everything SARS-CoV-2.

    https://dailysceptic.org/2022/02/05/china-two-years-on-from-hubris-to-hamsters/

    It’s time to put our politicians on the spot. “Tell us the truth or you will be permanently cancelled – Chinese style.”

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    OldOzzie

    Why Ivermectin was Disappeared

    Now let’s imagine another patient calls in. This patient also has a dry cough scratchy throat, muscle aches, and a low-grade fever. Only this patient had a COVID test kit at home and tested positive. The physician wants to prescribe a medication with no risk of bacterial resistance and a very benign side-effect profile. He’s read lots of literature to suggest it will be helpful. There are a significant number of double-blind studies showing it to be effective in the treatment of SARS Co-V2. It has been used in multiple countries with excellent results. Except, in this case, the physician will find it impossible to prescribe that medication. It will be impossible because that medication is Ivermectin. And somehow it has been removed from the market.

    Not only has this FDA-approved, Nobel prize-winning drug been made unavailable, but if a physician were to prescribe it, or advocate it as therapy, they are threatened with the potential loss of their medical license, their hospital affiliations, and their board certification.

    It gets even more ironic. I’ve noticed that some physicians are prescribing a very common antibiotic called azithromycin for their COVID patients. It is well understood that for COVID-19 when taken alone, it is of no value. There is absolutely no data to show efficacy in COVID-19. It has the same potential problems, as when it is prescribed for other viral infections. Yet the practice goes on, again unimpeded.

    So what’s the difference between prescriptions written for an anti-bacterial, versus Ivermectin, which is an anti-parasitic agent, for a viral infection? Both primarily target infectious agents other than viruses. If anything, even it was futile therapy, Ivermectin is safer than the antibiotics discussed. Yet it is the only medication that has been effectively banned

    Given all this, I think it’s easy to suspect that the FDA, the NIH, and the CDC actually understand the potential benefits of Ivermectin and other repurposed drugs. But they also realize that these medications threaten the profits of the pharmaceutical industry with which they are financially entwined.

    I hope that someday, our investigatory agencies can push past the vast political power these companies have acquired through their burgeoning profits, and find out the truth.

    I’m not optimistic.

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    Rod

    Injuring children to make adults feel safe is a new low for the human race.

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    John Connor II

    This medical data from the US DoD is explosive. Mainstream media has been ordered to ignore it.

    The DMED data exposed by attorney Tom Renz and Senator Johnson is a smoking gun. General Austin should order all military docs to speak the truth. But he isn’t. Why not?

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/this-medical-data-from-the-us-dod

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      OldOzzie

      Pentagon Responds To DoD Whistleblowers’ Claim Of Spiking Disease Rates In The Military After COVID Vaccine Mandate

      The DoD responded that the DMED (Defense Medical Epidemiology Database) data from 2016 to 2020 that the whistleblowers brought up was erroneous and incomplete, and is currently under review.

      “DHA’s Armed Forces Surveillance Division (AFSD) conducted a complete review of the data contained in the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database (DMED) and found that the data was incorrect for the years 2016-2020,” Maj. Charlie Dietz, a spokesperson for the DoD, told The Epoch Times.

      “DMED is a web-based tool to query de-identified active component personnel and medical event data contained within the Defense Medical Surveillance System (DMSS).

      “Comparing the DMED database to the source data contained in DMSS, AFHSD discovered that the total number of medical diagnoses from 2016-2020 that were accessible in DMED represented only a small fraction of actual medical diagnoses for those years. In contrast, the 2021 total number of medical diagnoses were up to date in DMED. Comparison of 2021 to 2016-2020 resulted in the appearance of significant increased occurrence of all medical diagnoses in 2021 because of the under-reported data for 2016-2020. AFHSD has taken DMED offline to identify and correct the root-cause of the data corruption,” Dietz said.

      Renz responded:

      “The DoD has claimed that the DMED data from the years 2016-2020 was incorrect. This is absurd. We spend millions of dollars per year on DMED and people monitoring DMED which is one of the premier epidemiological databases in the world. Accuracy in this database is critical as it is used to monitor for health issues in our troops.

      “The DoD would have us believe that the DMED database was wrong from 2016-2020 but then magically was corrected in 2021 despite the fact that they had not noticed it was wrong until we pointed it out in our testimony before Senator Johnson. Further, we are asked to believe that in 2020, the year of what they claim to be the greatest pandemic since 1918, and despite the fact that it is documented that the CDC was also watching this database, no one noticed an error of 20 million-plus injury/disease codes per year,” Renz told The Epoch Times.

      “The Department of Defense, the Biden administration is on notice they must preserve these records and this must be investigated,” Johnson said in the five-hour hearing in Washington.

      “Renz also informed me that some DMED data showing registered diagnoses of myocarditis had been removed from the database. Following the allegation that DMED data had been doctored, I immediately wrote to you on January 24 requesting that you preserve all records referring, relating, or reported to DMED. I have yet to hear whether you have complied with this request.” Johnson wrote in a letter (pdf) to Lloyd Austin, the U.S. defense secretary.

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    John Connor II

    The noose tightens for the NWO plandemic club.
    EVERY complicit politician, health experts, regulating bodies, medics, hospitals, media…all in the firing line of the biggest legal actions in history.
    You still have time to reverse your course but not much.

    Attorney Reiner Fuellmich Presents Opening Statements At Grand Jury, Court Of Public Opinion: “There Is No Corona Pandemic, Only A PCR Test Plandemic”

    Day 1: Opening Session of the Grand Jury Proceeding

    https://gettr.com/post/psoiulc122

    Grand jury livestreams, media releases:
    We, a group of international lawyers and a judge, hereby are conducting criminal investigation modelled after the United States Grand Jury proceedings.
    This Grand Jury Investigation serves as a model legal proceeding to present to a jury (consisting of the citizens of the world) all available evidence of COVID-19 Crimes Against Humanity to date against “leaders,
    organizers, instigators and accomplices” who aided, abetted or actively participated in the formulation and execution of a common plan for a pandemic.
    Crimes to be investigated include all acts performed or omitted by a person in pursuance of a common design to commit Crimes Against Humanity, and all such criminal acts condemned in the various communities of jurors around the world.
    https://www.grand-jury.net/

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      I admire their pluck, but the PCR issue is mostly a counterproductive diversion.

      Better to protest against real crimes.

      Suppression of safe cheap drugs.
      Suppression of vitamins and minerals.
      Use of not properly tested and leaky vaccines.
      Lack of transparency of data.
      Lack of informed consent.
      Failure to collect adverse affects notification.
      No free speech for doctors.
      Save The Children!

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        UK-Weather Lass

        I would not be so sure, Jo.

        A recent paper which involved Carl Heneghan who has been critical of UK Government policy throughout the epidemic demonstrates just how little care has been taken by ‘experts & those responsible for the whole PCR testing regime’ to make it fit for purpose meaning many people may have lost their jobs and incomes by being given wrong results. The fact that the writers of the paper got little assistance via FOI requests because answers to the questions were simply unknown even to the point of not knowing the cycle threshold used or the actual viral load identified for particular samples. The crime is the complete waste and total absence of available evidence to assist the next time we have a novel virus outbreak. We have had huge expenditure for a very amateur performance and someone needs to be held responsible for it. It is similar to the criminal use of public money on fraudulent PPE contracts.

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          I’m not familiar with those UK particulars — but even if all future PCR tests are done well and data on CT’s published in full as it should be, it won’t tranform the next pandemic, nor will it stop it being turned into another money making venture for Big Pharma. Not like shutting borders early would. Not like getting safe anti-virals out ASAP. Not like giving doctors their freedom to treat.

          When we win those battles we stop the next bioweapon. We can save thousands of lives, jobs, and billions of dollars.

          And when we get human rights and informed consent guaranteed, we stop Big Pharma getting control.

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            Kalm Keith

            “And when we get human rights and informed consent guaranteed, we stop Big Pharma getting control”

            That’s a great target but closing the borders is a separate issue to achieving the above.

            KK

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            Forrest Gardener

            Jo, the first problem with shutting borders is what happens when you re-open them. To exaggerate to make the point the aboriginal races had a sealed border until the first fleet arrived. They had no immunity to a whole range of european diseases. Who knows what us eastern staters will bring to the west when we are allowed back into paradise.

            The second problem is whether you have sealed borders or the pretend version which allows exemptions for public servants, sportsmen and assorted special cases. And of course had WA really had a sealed border then it would not have hosted the AFL grand final.

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              First problem is imaginary. No one is talking about 4,000 years of sealed borders. You have to dig pretty deep to find a problem with what was* one the freest, safest places on Earth? Free to live without CCP bioweapons.

              Is two years of freedom from almost all lockdowns, masks, school closures, restrictions, and zero deaths worth something?
              I thought that was what everyone wanted?

              The second problem is the perennial problem of hypocrisy and corruption. How exactly does open borders solve that?

              The Western World needs to learn the border lessons to order to win the Biotech War we’re in. Strangely, conservatives have missed the best chance they will ever get to enforce sovereign borders. If Gladys hadn’t screwed up the NSW border there would have been no reason to for domestic state borders. If you can’t fly to WA, thank Gladys and Scott. It’s their fault. Until their incompetence let Delta in, the whole of Aust + NZ was free to fly, and only 8% vacced too.

              *WA has it’s own petty tyrant now. See, get CCP viruses, and it gives the dictators an excuse. No virus, no tyranny.

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          Kalm Keith

          Thank you Lass for that statement which illustrates the ease with which modern society has been entrained into the “Plandemic”.

          Those who have watched in alarm as our “Governments” led us through the Climate Change impost can see the same hallmarks appearing now in the Covid19 crisis and fear that humanity has finally and irreversibly been enslaved.

          The only difference between the human origin CO2 induced Global Warming emergency and this current CV19 plandemic is that there are actually people who have caught this new virus whereas there’s no scientific reality to the CO2 thing.

          This disease, in my own local environment, has almost exclusively manifest itself through the significant number of adverse reactions to the CV19 VaXXines.

          There are so many avenues to explore in this Kovid19 Krisis and I hope that we can go down each one and drag the criminals hiding there out into public view and expose them.

          There’s little doubt that this CV19 Event has been “modelled” on the very successful Man Made Climate change and death by incineration due to human origin CO2 meme.

          Enough; we need truth in science and accountability in Governance at all levels.

          Maybe an exposee of the PCR test fiasco would be a good starting point.

          Money has once again spoken.

          KK

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    Kalm Keith

    “Thank you Lass for that statement which illustrates the ease with which modern society has been entrained into the abyss of political and bureaucratic control.

    More above in moderation.

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