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    Serp

    A letter in Private Eye led me to this product page https://www.co2meter.com/pages/home-indoor-air-quality-monitor “When CO2 levels get too high, an alarm will sound.” Not for the submarine environment obviously.

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    RicDre

    New Evidence Indicates Critical Race Theory Escaped From A Lab In A College Humanities Department
    July 2nd, 2021 – BabylonBee.com

    U.S.—Scientists have discovered mounting evidence that critical race theory escaped from a lab in a college humanities department some decades ago. Originally thought to be a deranged conspiracy theory, the idea that CRT escaped from a liberal arts program is now accepted as mainstream consensus.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/mounting-evidence-indicates-critical-race-theory-escaped-from-a-lab-in-a-college-humanities-department?utm_source=Gab&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=Gab

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      Annie

      Where’s the commonsense vaccine?

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        Ian

        “Where’s the commonsense vaccine?”

        Why? Do you want to be vaccinated against commonsense? Seems a strange request.

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        Annie.
        What you missed the obit for Common Sense?
        Poor thing was laid to rest over a decade ago.
        I will have to go root thro my old files or try some Google Foo..for Common Sense’s Obit was well written a true lament for the passing of an old friend.

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          If Jo Permits,try this..
          “Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

          – Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
          – Why the early bird gets the worm;
          – Life isn’t always fair;
          – And maybe it was my fault.

          Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don’t spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

          His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

          Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

          It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

          Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

          Common Sense took a beating when you couldn’t defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

          Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

          Common Sense was preceded in death.

          -by his parents, Truth and Trust,
          -by his wife, Discretion,
          -by his daughter, Responsibility,
          -and by his son, Reason.

          He is survived by his 5 stepbrothers;
          – I Know My Rights
          – I Want It Now
          – Someone Else Is To Blame
          – I’m A Victim
          – Pay me for Doing Nothing

          Not many attended his funeral
          because so few realized he was gone.

          If you still remember him, pass this on.
          If not, join the majority and do nothing.”

          From some British Newspaper around 2015.

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            Kalm Keith

            Yes!
            That’s it.

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            OldOzzie

            Thanks John,

            That is fabulous

            He is survived by his 5 stepbrothers;
            – I Know My Rights
            – I Want It Now
            – Someone Else Is To Blame
            – I’m A Victim
            – Pay me for Doing Nothing

            Describes Australia and America today perfectly

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              Yarpos

              When we moved my mother in law down from Sydney we went to Centrelink to sort out her pension. While we were there there was a young bloke talking loudly about his “entitlements” He looked like he had never actually done anything with his life yet still felt entitled.

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        Kalm Keith

        I’m still confused about whether this commonsense vaccine stop you from getting it or ensures that you don’t lose it.

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          Keith,
          The Cheifio recommends a Clue Stick.
          Apparently when you whack a person who lacks common sense,it helps ..
          Or maybe just maybe..pain is the only way humans learn.

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            Serp

            The downside of having removed corporal punishment from schools being that kids come out having learnt nothing.

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              Yarpos

              Seriously? nothing you reckon

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                Serp

                In extenuation of my exaggeration I note that each generation supposes its learning superior to that its offspring are getting and, yes Yarpos, it is an injudicious statement deserving of challenge –where’s that over zealous moderation when one could do with it?

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      Ted1

      CRT, along with CAGW and other aberrations, was created by the Gnomes of OxBridge.

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    RicDre

    BBC Censors their Own Climate Change Page

    Guest essay by Eric Worrall

    The BBC has caved in to pressure from climate activists and academics, to remove any suggestion warmer temperatures might bring benefits to people living in Britain.

    BBC removes Bitesize page on climate change ‘benefits’ after backlash

    Study website made claims including warmer temperatures ‘could lead to healthier outdoor lifestyles’

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/07/02/bbc-censors-their-own-climate-change-page/

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      TdeF

      There is no greater evidence of the power of the anti democracy extreme left media than the complete absence of (man made, rapid, tipping point) Global Warming.

      The problem for the promoters of the burning planet catastrophe, the four horsemen of the Ecopolypse (James Delingpole) is that you can measure temperature very simply. In hindsight, that was a mistake because Global Warming has not happened in 33 years. Sea levels were a mistake. And melting Sea ice too as levels this summer in the Arctic are perfectly, average.

      Global warming, especially rapid tipping point Global Warming is now a ridiculous idea, so they have gone long. What is happening, our fault, is ‘Climate Change’. And in a totally coordinated way in the media, it is now the only prediction.

      But what causes Climate Change and below the surface, the old bogey man, “Warmer temperatures”. No longer a flaming planet but a very slightly warmer world is threatening our existence, the Climate Catastrophe, the Climate Extinction, the Climate Emergency. And the great thing about Climate Change is that you can survive one of the coldest winters in history and claim it is all due to slight Global Warming.

      If you cannot produce rapid Global Warming or rapid sea rise in 33 years, how does this terrible prediction of ‘warmer temperatures’ threaten anyone?

      Has the alleged and terrible 1.5C increase in ‘Global Temperatures’ since the end of the Little Ice Age in 1870 been so terrible? And why would another 1.5 or 2.5C be any different? And what if it is not true and ‘The Science’ of Global Warming , sorry Climate Change is just made up nonsense?

      You will now have to wait for another 70 years to find out. Keep shutting your factories, funding the UN/EU and those researchers on the Great Barrier Reef who are doing such a great job. You will find happiness in the world communist socialist movement.

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    RicDre

    Tesla Model S Plaid caught fire while driver was at the wheel, says fire chief
    PUBLISHED THU, JUL 1 20215:16 PM
    Lora Kolodny

    A new Tesla Model S Plaid caught fire on Tuesday while the driver was at the wheel, according to Charles McGarvey, chief fire officer for the Lower Merion Township Fire Department in Pennsylvania.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/01/tesla-model-s-plaid-caught-fire-while-being-driven-fire-chief.html

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      Wixy

      The look on this gentleman’s face says it all! To show their faith in renewables they’ve also purchased a neat looking fossil powered backup genset. Gee it must have hurt to pull that starter cord knowing the neighbours may hear it running.

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-03/battery-power-dandenong-ranges-tesla-agm-grid/100264988

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        Broadie

        Here is another one for the people who like to worry about everything. Do not worry the expert can come around for a small fee and minimize the problem.

        While celebrating the failure of the grid, largely due to the subsidising of their complex alternative power set ups, these people were, pick one or choose the lot:

        (1)Injured falling off a ladder while attempting to clean panels.

        (2)Suffered roof leaks due to the installation.

        (3)harboured increased vermin in their new cavities and conduits resulting in the chewing through of the DC cables. The house burnt down and the fire department refused to spray water on the fire due to the presence of the lithium batteries and solar panels.

        (4) Suffered Carbon Monoxide poisoning due to having to run a generator in an area protected from the weather.

        The list is endless. The fact is alternate power systems are expensive, require maintenance and compromise the safety and integrity of your dwelling.

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        Yarpos

        One couple at least see to have thought it through and built something workable. I can just imagine the knitted hats and birkenstocks on the Tesla couple.

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          GlenM

          I know many like them- well meaning but absolutely convinced about how to save the planet. Still, they had the sense to invest in a decent generator.

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            Richard Owen No.3

            I have posted it before – people building a new house in the Adelaide Hills went off-grid. Solar panels, batteries (NOT Tesla, concious choice), diesel generator and Computer controller. Cost about $50,000 but cheaper than getting a 200 m line put in by the electricity supplier for $74,000. The whole thing was automatic, even the (infrequent) start-up of the generator.

            Diesel as petrol “goes off” if sitting too long so too, maybe, diesel in a long term. Propane (or as we call it in Australia, natural gas) even better, but you need storage if not piped to your house.

            And DO NOT build with a tree (or trees) close to your house. Just heard of someone who had a very large tree (from next block) come down in or just after** a storm and destroyed her house and new car. She survived by being in the kitchen making breakfast at the time.

            ** cause either a last strong gust or the effect of a wet month soaking the soil.

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            yarpos

            Indeed they did but after the event when out of rainbows and unicorns. You would think if saving the whole planet was a priority they would have elected to take one for the team and go without.

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        Graeme#4

        Three very interesting anecdotes on the problems of maintaining house power from batteries and solar. As expected, a genset was required to top up the batteries.

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        Deano

        Just curious – does anyone know if Li-ion battery fires in these large capacity battery installations happen much with home systems? If they did, I imagine they’d be pretty severe.

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          yarpos

          It has happened but not a frequent as cars. My guess is probably just down to scale (less of them than EVs) and also lack of vibration and impact accidents. The fact that they can make those batteries , made up of thousands of separate cells , so reliable in the environment they operate in is a bit of great design.

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        Ronin

        The simple truth is that the home made system is streets ahead of the Tesla system.

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          Yarpos

          I dont think its really about Tesla vs other brands. A practical off grid system needs design and planning to meet demand and suit the location. Off the self sales guy systems wont cut it, they just want the quick sale, in and out. The virtue signalling crowd is easy meat for them.

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      Just Thinkin'

      Was he doing burn-outs?

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        Analitik

        He was trying to escape and had to force the door open as the electronic controls failed

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      OldOzzie

      Two crews of firefighters worked on the scene for just over 3 hours dealing with the emergency, McGarvey told CNBC.


      As NBC News recently reported, electric vehicle battery fires can take upwards of 25,000 gallons of water to be fully extinguished. By comparison, a typical car fire involving an internal combustion engine can be put out with around 300 gallons of water.

      Firefighters removed the 2021 Tesla Model S Plaid to a complex to safely store it overnight, McGarvey said. The owner since had the car removed from that facility, McGarvey said, and will have the vehicle investigated independently to try to determine the cause of the fire. McGarvey said his teams had been in touch with Tesla and should release more information via public records soon.

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        PeterS

        Ok great! Imagine everyone driving them. They better turn them into boats so they can float along the roads as the multiple fires are put out by millions of gallons of water, LOL.

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          RicDre

          We need a Tesla/Aquada hybrid so if your vehicle catches fire you can just drive it right into the nearest large body of water (Lake Erie for me). It might not work so well if your nearest body of water is salt water.

          (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbs_Aquada)

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            PeterS

            When people start using the driverless version it should do it anyway. Sort of like the Darwin Award.

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          OriginalSteve

          Turn them into fish environments, more like …..

          A couple of holes below the water line should do the job. 🙂

          I wonder what sort of chemicals are released when batteries burn? Bet its not good to breathe in … does anyone know?

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          OriginalSteve

          https://www.firerescue1.com/firefighter-training/articles/tesla-on-fire-how-to-extinguish-an-electric-car-fire-n8dDvmqLHqggmoXr/

          “On Nov. 3, a Tesla S with two people onboard raced at high speeds through Indianapolis before smashing into a tree. The violent impact killed the occupants, spread so much debris that responders initially thought it was a car vs. motorcycle crash and set off an incredibly hot fire.

          “Even days later as the remains of the vehicle sat in an impound yard, it needed a 150-foot buffer zone to keep from igniting other vehicles.

          “This was no garden variety car fire.

          “Over the past decade, nearly every automobile manufacturer has developed fully electric vehicles or hybrid vehicles that use both a small gasoline engine coupled with an electric motor powered by a rechargeable battery pack.

          ………

          “The impact of the crash left a debris field estimated at over 150 yards. Video of the scene shows the Tesla’s lithium-ion battery was ripped apart during the impact, spreading parts of individual battery cells over a wide area that also ignited producing popping, projectile-like fireworks.

          ……

          “Electric and hybrid vehicles can generate an electric shock that in some cases can unleash 600 or more volts to an unsuspecting firefighter.

          “While this is discussed in several training videos on extrication techniques, it is perhaps even more important when using large amounts of water to overcome the fire.

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            PeterS

            Perhaps they should make them such that they burn much hotter so there are no remains to worry about with minimal pollution. The tow truck industry won’t like it though.

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            Hanrahan

            “Electric and hybrid vehicles can generate an electric shock that in some cases can unleash 600 or more volts to an unsuspecting firefighter.

            F1 race cars are hybrid and you see the driver exiting a crashed car by jumping out, not stepping out.

            Speaking of F1, a new star is born though he is yet win the championship. The king is dead, long live the king!

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        Ronin

        Can you imagine spraying water on an 800v battery system, nasty.

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      Hanrahan

      Instead of airbags they now offer ejection seats as an option.

      Babylon Bee might have reported.

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      Richard Owen No.3

      I’ve lost the link (but I think it was one of Jeremy Clarkson’s former on-screne partners) who complained that “his Tesla had been bricked”.
      Apparently because of the Covid shutdown in the UK the car was sitting idle for some time and the battery ran down. One of the drawdowns was from a second battery which powered the security system. When that went flat as well there was no way to get into the car nor of recharging the security battery.
      My interest in Teslas being about the same as mine in the leader of the Greens I just noted the impracticality and got on with life.

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        Hanrahan

        That was James May’s car and flattening the 12V battery while parked can happen to any keyless entry car. While parked, locked the on board interrogator is constantly working waiting for a fob to come within range. I’ve read it draws nearly an amp. I never lock my car while in the garage.

        There needs to be an option where you can put the car into deep sleep* and can only be woken up by the emergency door key. If you don’t have one of those it’s a design flaw. I needed to use my emergency key once when the fob battery died. I used the key to get the new battery out of the console.

        * As with any puter it needs a keep alive battery but that can be on the board.

        ps Musk introduces unnecessary complexity to appeal to the geeks who buy his cars. The electric door handles which failed regularly and cost a few hundred to replace is an example. Owners merely shrugged and called it a feature of the model. If you can afford the car in the first place, what’s a door handle or two between friends?

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          Chad

          Hanrahan
          July 4, 2021 at 12:19 pm · Reply
          …..flattening the 12V battery while parked can happen to any keyless entry car. While parked, locked the on board interrogator is constantly working waiting for a fob to come within range. I’ve read it draws nearly an amp…….

          No way a1amp draw whilst parked. ,
          Most car 12 v batteries are approx 40-60 Ah capacity, so they would be flat in less than 3 days,.. 2 more likely.
          My car ( keyless with security alarm systems) has never flattened its battery, and it has been left unused, not on a charger, for several weeks at a time.
          I would guess the standby current draw is just a few mA !

          May’s Tesla was stored for months constantly on charge ….but,…
          The 12v battery is charged indirectly from the main battery via a sub system
          The problem was due to the dc/dc charger system for the 12v battery not functioning unless the main power circuits are activated. So whilst the main 400v pack was still at 100% charge, the auxilliary battery was drained over the many weeks by the multiple security systems ..recording cameras etc..but likely still only drawing a few mA.
          Note even just a 50 mA drain on a normal 40Ah 12v battery, would see it dead in less than 6 weeks !

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            Deano

            Agree with Chad.
            A full amp might be required if Tesla was using old 1940’s valve technology. I think an ordinary ‘proper’ car with a lead-acid battery of around 45 A/Hrs draws between 25 to 40 mA when ‘off’ and a fair bit of that is maybe a flashing LED and probably house keeping for security and keyless entry duties. And my trusty 10 year old Civic has a mechanical key so even if the battery disappeared I could at least get it open.

            Years ago when cars were simple, I had a Holden Kingswood (Aussie division of GM for you Americans) and I went overseas for almost 2 months leaving this car garaged. Upon my return, on a freezing cold day it started with 2 seconds. And I think the battery was already 3 years old!

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              OriginalSteve

              I had a mate with an SLR 5000 that used to start first kick and settle into a nice idle , when stone cold. This is back with it was all carbies, plugs, points and dizzies.

              Quite impressive. His previous HQ had no handbrake to speak of though….and coumd be started with a large flat blade screw driver in the ignition barrel in place of the key.

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        RossP

        My sister bought a new Impreza just before she started a fly in – fly out job. She parked the car at the airport for the 3 weeks she was working but when she came out for her week off, the battery was always flat. She tried the small solar panel devices that you on your dash board and plug into the cigarette lighter connection (or something similar) –that partially solved the problem.
        Essentially there were so many electronic devices in the car drawing very small amounts of power that the battery could not keep up.

        So she quickly traded it in for a car with less electronic technology –problem solved.

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          Analitik

          She could have just disconnected the battery when leaving it in the long term parking.

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            OldOzzie

            She could have just disconnected the battery when leaving it in the long term parking.

            On 2006 Honda Jazz need to keep battery connected when changing – so no-no to disconnect

            the warning is for the cvt as once the battery dies you need to recalibrate it

            honda has the correct tools to do this

            if you leave it your cvt will eventually go

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          Chad

          Essentially there were so many electronic devices in the car drawing very small amounts of power that the battery could not keep up.

          What devices ?
          Unless there were non standard devices fitted, she should take it back to the dealership !
          That is not typical , or acceptable , on any car .

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            RossP

            Chad —Devices may have been the wrong word to use. Computerised controls/components etc. There was nothing non standard on it and yes she took it to the dealership to have the battery checked etc. but there was nothing wrong. I spoke to a mate, who is an auto electrician. His answer was “these new cars need to be driven” as there are just so many components drawing the small amount of power.

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            Ronin

            ‘What devices’, Keyless entry, vehicle security and radio station memory for a start.
            My Hyundai i30 has a fusebox on the right side of the dash that has a large fuse with a handle on it so you can pull it out a bit and it isolates all power, just have to lock and unlock the drivers door with the key.
            Left it locked in my garage for two months while on a trip, it’s a diesel and started immediately on return.

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              Chad

              Ronin
              July 5, 2021 at 5:23 pm ·
              ‘What devices’, Keyless entry, vehicle security and radio station memory for a start

              Yep, as i said , those types of systems are common to most modern cars, and despite what Ross’s “auto electrician” said, most cars DO NOT kill their battery if left for 3 weeks !
              https://www.batterymodeon.com/how-long-can-car-sit-battery-dies/

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                RossP

                Chad
                I’m not disagreeing with you as I originally thought it was strange for a new car. Plenty of people must leave their car for lengthy periods without using them and so I thought they must have something like Ronin mentioned.
                I suggested to my sister, the dealership checks for some sort of electrical short, which she did, but they reckon there were no issues.

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    CHRIS

    BBC = ABC. As for Teslas…well, lightning (ie; electricity) doesn’t strike twice…or does it??

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      Dave in the States

      The left has been waging a war on agriculture for decades. Google Jeremy Rifkin. Torpedoing agriculture is extremely dangerous, because famine kills on a mega scale.

      Even causing high diesel prices, or diesel shortages by market manipulations could kill millions.

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      DonA

      David, do you have an opinion on this approach?
      About livestock and methane farts and global warming
      Grass grows by absorbing CO2 from the atmosphere via photosynthesis.
      Livestock eat the grass, digest it, convert it to sugars and use that to grow meat and fat, make manure and run about.
      Some of the grass ends up being converted to methane during digestion which gets belched and farted out into the atmosphere, where it is soon degraded and converted into CO2 by natural hydroxyl, but far less CO2 than originally went into the grass. This atmospheric CO2 is soon snapped up by CO2 starved grass and plants, and eaten by livestock, and so on.
      Nett result, there is less CO2 in the atmosphere, as some has been sequestered into meat and fat for us to eat, or hides and fibre for us to wear. Some of the “carbon” gets sequestered into the soil as manure.
      Thus livestock farming ACTUALLY reduces atmospheric CO2, or GHGs, and thus has a beneficial effect on reducing global warming! (If any).

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        Ted1

        David and Don. The truth is:

        1. it’s a fairly stable carbon cycle of long standing, and

        2. it’s a political heist, mounted by the “Gnomes of OxBridge” that I nominated at #2.2

        This started in December 1986. The Hawke government changed the management of the CSIRO, appointing a new board with party president Neville Wran as chairman. He was the first non scientist to hold that position. There had been no problems with the running of the CSIRO, which was and hopefully still is despite a few warts a quite marvellous organisation.

        They put their own brand of “social scientists” in charge of the real scientists.

        Some time later we saw the full page tabloid headline: “Cows Australia’s Biggest Source of Greenhouse Gases!” A CSIRO scientist named Galbally, working in Tasmania had discovered this.

        This was a monstrous lie. I don’t know if it was Ian or some other Galbally, but I do not believe that any self respecting scientist ever said any such thing. This had to be the CSIRO’s now Marxist publicity machine, which grabbed a bit of his work and twisted it to denigrate the farmers. Why? Because Agriculture was the last sector of The Australian economy still dominated by small business capitalism. The purpose of the lie was to convince the electorate that farmers are villains in society, not to be trusted with the management of land.

        I knew it was a monstrous lie, but so little research had been done that it was impossible to refute the lie. It stood for years, and was taught in our schools and universities. Eventually somebody did some proper research and Agriculture, including cows, was moved down the list of GHG emitters. However OxBridge have been regurgitating the lie in recent times, and Jack Cowin (of Hungry Jack’s/Burger King) is anticipating their victory with his vegie burgers.

        The original proposal for an Emissions Trading Scheme studiously refused to allow credits for the carbon sequestered in Ag’s carbon cycle. This gross inequity would have quickly bankrupted Australia’s livestock industries, thereby allowing the transfer of the 60% of Australia’s land area used for grazing into new ownership (socialism) without compensating the already bankrupt owners. Because Ag and Forestry are the only industries with a carbon cycle the sheeple didn’t notice the inequity and the Gnomes nearly got away with their heist.

        It was Barnaby Joyce, the only working business accountant in the parliament at the time, who, as the only only one fully understanding the situation, persuaded the Howard government to not install that ETS. Others had his letters, but none his expertise. With the change of government in 2007 he had created enough doubt to get Agriculture put into the too hard basket, but that inequity was never recanted.

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          David Wojick

          Ted, I think the amount of ruminant emissions is fairly well estimated. Given an estimated 3 billion domestic critters it may be large, especially with the supposed potency of 36 times CO2. I think ruminant methane is New Zealand’s biggest GHG emissions by potency, but I would think coal fired power was Oz’s. The methane scare is global so I doubt CSIRO is driving it, except in Oz.

          But none of this matters, given the Happer research results. As the methane chart in my article shows, even doubling today’s concentration would have virtually no affect ASSUMING AGW IS ALL TRUE.

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            Ted O’Brien.

            David I never saw any mention of what the “emissions” would be if no ruminants set foot on the land. And I doubt very much that they know. One thing we can be sure of is that it wouldn’t be very different.

            In any event, this is a cycle of long standing. It is not increasing nett emissions.

            The purpose is to get rid of the small business capitalists that operate the farming sector. Socialise is the word they use.

            I have another name for those gnomes. Pommie Commies.

            I remind you that Bill Clinton is an Oxford scholar.

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          Kalm Keith

          That’s a great outline Ted.

          Our farmers have been shat upon for too long and it’s time to tell their story.

          Farmers throughout the European Union, by contrast, have been subsidised with the effect that Australian rural produce was harder to market overseas.

          We need greater a accountability from our politicians.

          If they damage our lives, our country, they should Go.

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            Ted O’Brien.

            Keith, every Australian farmer’s worst enemy is the National Farmers’ Federation. They were educated by those Gnomes.

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        Analitik

        Greentards should think about the effects of the vast herds of ruminants in the African savannah. Maybe they’ll support a mass cull of he wildebeest,zebras etc.
        A good thing that the vast herds of bison were slaughtered, eh?

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          David Wojick

          Yes, I mention the vast numbers of wild ruminants. Deer are abundant in America. A green proposal to eliminate them would bring out millions of rifle toting hunters. Hmmm!

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            OldOzzie

            Deer are abundant in National Park South of Sydney – Camels abundant in centre of Australia, Donkeys in Old Mining Areas Outback QLD – Brumbies in VIC and NSW High Country – Feral Goats OutBack NSW

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          Yarpos

          They have that covered, its always been about “man made greenhouse gases”

          The tiny % we are involved in is clearly the unprecedented tipping point catastrophic part.

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        Chris

        DonA just a couple of things to add. Methane is produced by dead gut bacteria rotting in anaerobic environment – the gut.
        Big herbivores digest dead gut bacteria as their protein source. Their diet is mostly carbohydrates; grain when it is available is mostly fat with a tiny amount of protein. So their major source of protein is gut bacteria. Humans just excrete dead bacteria.

        Microbes in the soils eventually return carbon to the atmosphere as CO2. Soil bacteria produces far more CO2 than humans produce.

        Our atmosphere is not static, we could not have life on the planet if it was. Meat and animal products used elsewhere will be returned as CO2.

        There are 5 monitored inactive volcanoes which release CO2 and this is measured in megatons . Methane is produced by rubbish tips, mangrove swamps, rice paddies, white ants and any carbon based life form that rots in an anaerobic environment. As you said CH4 is quickly broken down by sunlight and forms CO2 and H2O .

        The carbon cycle is amazing and CO2 is an essential gas we could not live without it.

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          Kalm Keith

          🙂 🙂

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          Ronin

          There is a sometimes active volcano on Tanna Island in Vanuatu which you can hear ‘sighing’ from about 2-3 kms away, mainly belching co2 and h2s.

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            Kalm Keith

            My wife and I have been to the lip of that volcano, seen the explosion of molten rock and felt like ground shake.

            A month later a French tourist was killed by a blob of falling lava.

            The track up from where the guide parked was 30 cm wide.

            The scary bit was the lumps of solidified rock surrounding our path.

            Makes you think.

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        David Wojick

        Don, I think the scare assumes methane molecule lifetimes of a hundred years or so. They also assume it is 36 times more potent than CO2 as a GHG. This ignores the competition with water vapor.

        But Happer et al’s point is that methane is so saturated and scarce as to be inconsequential. Look at the methane chart in my article. Doubling methane from today’s leveled (which is impossible) makes virtually no difference.

        This is based on line by line spectral energy analysis, which is a breakthrough in radiation physics. It completely refutes the scare physics. Lifetime and relative potency become irrelevant. In fact the classic debate over methane becomes irrelevant.

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          Dave in the States

          Moreover methane is measured in parts per billion, with a B. It’s such a non issue in reality.

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        Kalm Keith

        Right on!

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      DonA

      It is said that each Methane MOLECULE has 25 times the radiation absorption potential of a carbon dioxide molecule. This MAY be true for each molecule but as CO2 is 400 ppm in the atmosphere and CH4 is 2 ppm, or 200 times less than CO2, this larger capacity of Methane to absorb energy pales into insignificance in the atmosphere.

      When a GHG molecule absorbs energy it increases its vibration. It has gone from its ground state to a vibrational excited state. Only specific amounts of energy can be absorbed, and only from specific frequencies for that molecule.

      When radiation is absorbed by GHGs, there is a transition from a low energy state to a higher energy state, until the energy is reradiated in all directions and the energy state returns to normal.
      Different molecular arrangements have different abilities to absorb Infrared Radiation (IR) frequencies and in different amounts. The most abundant gas molecules in the atmosphere, N2 and O2, are not able to absorb this IR energy and it passes through them and out into space.

      Carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, chlorofluorocarbons, and certain other gases absorb IR radiation from the Earth’s surface and re-emit shortly after, in all directions what has not been passed on to other molecules by collision (conduction).
      The portion that is directed back towards the earth cannot cause an increase in temperature of the Earth as the Second Law of Thermodynamics states clearly that a cooler body cannot heat a warmer one, so the only effect is to retain, for a brief time, the IR absorbed before re-radiates and it finds its way eventually to outer space.

      Methane in Earth’s atmosphere is naturally checked by methane’s reaction with a molecule known as the hydroxyl radical, a hydrogen-oxygen molecule formed when single oxygen atoms react with water vapour, and the methane is converted to CO2. The atmosphere, and more precisely the troposphere, is the largest sink for methane. Methane in the troposphere reacts with hydroxyl (OH) radicals, forming mainly water and carbon dioxide.
      Some 90% of methane is ultimately destroyed, or oxidised, in the lower atmosphere when it reacts with hydroxyl radicals. The rest is destroyed in the higher atmosphere and in soils.

      Consider the following diagram,

      (diagram did not copy so look it up yourself “Atmospheric absorption spectra”)

      From this diagram it can be seen that Methane has absorption wavelengths at about 3 and 8 micron. Looking at the spectra for Water Vapour it can be seen that at both 3 and 8 micron water vapour is strongly absorbing and as there is so much more water than Methane in the atmosphere (4%, or 40,000 ppm versus 2 ppm) that there is precious little (or none) radiation left at those frequencies for Methane to cause an increase in absorption. Its effect is so small it is insignificant.
      A similar effect occurs with CO2 at 15 micron where both H2O and CO2 have absorbed all the IR at that wavelength, and as H2O is 100 times more abundant than CO2 more CO2 has no effect.

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    tonyb

    I see Australia has sharply cut the number of new arrivals permitted, which will presumably impact on residents still trying to get back home

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-02/fortress-australia-moves-to-further-isolate-as-delta-cases-rise

    Its difficult to find any sources of current numbers of cases that warrant the majority of the OZ population being put under house arrest.

    Has anyone got any current facts and figures as I had understood the recent city lockdowns were only intended as a 5 day ‘circuit breaker.’

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      Tony any number greater than zero means a lockdown will happen sooner or later. The sooner it starts the shorter it is. So every day delayed makes it worse and longer. Given the unpredictable cluster spreading nature, perhaps it makes sense to wait to see if Case 1 spreads, then if they do, it’s time to get serious. 1 sole case (which has a known source) used to only have a 20% chance I think of spreading. I have not seen the K number (measure of the cluster spreading nature) of the Delta Variant. But this variant has an R0 of 5 or 6. Not the same creature as UK version.

      The only reason we are cutting incoming flights is because the hotel quarantine that worked last year is failing this year and the virus keeps leaking out. Each time it does costs something awful like $250m (WA) or $1b + (NSW). Given the pain and costs, it mystifies me why we don’t get serious about quarantine. How hard can tents and miners demountables be in warm northern Australian July’s? It pays for itself if it stops one leak.

      Halving the incoming passengers is not much of a solution. Sadly, it may still leak.

      PS: Useful to hear your recollections the other day of the vaccination program in the UK. Reports from the US don’t sound good. I filed away your report (in my head at least). Thanks.

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        John R Smith

        As you describe it, lockdown sounds inevitably permanent. I’m sure the important will be able to come and go. UK, I think, already makes exceptions for the important.
        So much for flattening the curve.
        We are all in this together.
        Stop Climate Change.
        Stop Viral Evolution.

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          John

          If you have a swingeing lockdown every time there are one or two cases this does not bode well if there is a serious outbreak of covid with thousands of cases and many deaths.

          Yes, the important will come and go like tennis players or EUGA officials or the G7 circus who then popped up the next day in Brussels without any sort of quarantine.

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            Yarpos

            One the other hand you would have to wonder where the major outbreak would come from. I guess if we lock down and just leave the doors open like they did in the UK we will get a UK outcome.

            If covid numbers in oz are of interest go to the covidlive website. It provides and dissects the numbers every which way

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            OldOzzie

            In the chart below, ABC News has classified cases confirmed since June 1, 2020 by the likely or suspected source of infection. It is based on information released by state health authorities at the time cases are announced.

            Of more than 24,740 infections confirmed in Australia since June 1, 20,425 have been in Victoria, compared with 2,705 in NSW.

            Only 2 per cent of cases in Victoria are returned travellers in hotel quarantine, compared to 57 per cent in NSW.

            If you look at Hospitalisations in NSW 19/06/21 to 03/07/21

            we started with 1 person in Hospital in NSW and now have 14 in Hospital and of those 2 are in ICU

            And for this we shut NSW down – Singapore is moving to only reporting Hospitalisations and treating as Flu – Sensible

            https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/coronavirus-cases-data-reveals-how-covid-19-spreads-in-australia/12060704#hospitalisation

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              Mal

              Totally agree
              The delta variant is not as virulent as other strains
              Should be reporting no of people hospitalised and no in ICU
              Singapore has done the right thing and got on with life
              We are living in fear due to empowered premiers and health beauracrats
              Why isn’t the media tracking bankruptcies suicides mental health issues which will now go on for decades
              There are trade offs in every descion that are made but in this case there is no balanced assessment of the disbenefits of lock down

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                Analitik

                Jo has been fixated with the case numbers and isn’t considering the very low hospitalisation rate. An odd case of cherry picking the data by her

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            MP

            The video here shows the trend of the Delta variant, the worlds most deadly most lethal disease ever in the history of mankind.
            https://thefatemperor.com/a-short-crucial-update-on-the-delta-variant-and-much-more-disbandnphet/

            In brain wave frequencies the Delta is the Deep sleep brain wave. You have to be asleep to buy into this.

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              OriginalSteve

              Well that includes the lame stream media then.

              Although the media appear to be deliberate propaganda organs of the deep state….

              To be fair, the critical mistake most australians make is believing anything the MSM tells them. The MSM have shown themselves to be complicit in the current major crime against humanity, namely promoting the covid scam.

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            OldOzzie

            Pandemic shows our political ‘leaders’ are not fit for the job

            The lack of leadership from both federal and state politicians reflects the lack of real world experience among our politicians,

            writes Piers Akerman.

            The Wuhan flu virus has exposed what many have long thought – our elected leaders at the state and federal level are incompetent.

            The national cabinet which replaced the Council of Australian Governments (COAG) in March last year has been as burdened with backbiting jealousy and petty rivalries as the most parochial local council.

            Meant to have the same status as the War Cabinet which met during the Second World War, it has dismally failed to rise to anything near the same level of authority let alone competence.

            Not a single state leader has an unblemished record and neither have the chief health officers each has used as a shield to deflect legitimate criticism.

            The Queensland chief health officer Jeanette Young seriously undermined the effort to encourage vaccinations with her confidence-sapping remarks about the risks associated with the AstraZeneca vaccine. Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has already appointed her Queensland’s next governor. Seriously.

            Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s approach to the pandemic has been little better than that of the premiers. Granting indemnity to GPs administering vaccines but not to those who may suffer is hardly confidence boosting.

            The majority of Australians have been unable to leave the country since March 2020 and there is still no clarity about when the travel ban will be lifted even for those who have received a full course of vaccinations.

            If anything was designed to reduce confidence in the efficacy of vaccinations, this half-hearted measure seals the deal yet the risk from the vaccine is less than that of a road accident, or death from murder.

            The damage to the national economy caused by this bungling has been as harmful as anything the global warming Greens would wish upon our hugely successful energy exports and the remnants of our manufacturing industry.

            The lack of leadership from both federal and state politicians reflects the lack of real world experience among our politicians.

            On both sides of politics we have former staffers who have never worked in private enterprise, let alone run a small business, making decisions without any basis in skill or experience.

            Leaders are meant to quell panic and confusion, not create chaos.

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              OriginalSteve

              Who ever it is in the back rooms who invent these “new” strains, have called it the Lambda variant. They will run out of letters soon.

              Rule no 1 – perpetual war (on covid) ….”1984″ style ( also cleverly mocked by
              the insightful “Starship Troopers” movie )

              Keep the sheep cowering in fright, as planned. Keep them locked down and obedient.

              Yawn…the “boogeyman” play book is so transparent now.

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        GD

        What of reports that this Delta strain is not as dangerous as previous strains?

        Some reports suggest it is no different from a strain of the yearly flu.

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          Here in the UK we are having many tens of thousands of delta cases every day. The numbers re large partly because there is so much testing, up to 1 million every day.

          However hospitalisations and deaths remain low, partly because the average age of someone infected has dropped considerably and many will not even know they had covid unless they were tested.

          I have wondered as cases have gone up but deaths have not followed, as to whether this is because the vaccination is extremely effective or whether the delta variant is highly infectious but not that deadly.

          I have seen no medical reports that confirm this one way or the other.

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            John R Smith

            How are ‘delta’ cases determined.
            Is a ‘delta’ sample being retrieved and identified from each patient alleged to be ‘delta’ infected?
            I doubt it.
            Does the PCR test detect ‘delta’ as opposed to the original?
            Is there a new test?
            Product rebranding.

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            Scissor

            Almost half of the Delta deaths in the U.K. were from fully vaccinated individuals, though the death rate remains low in either case.

            https://www.businessinsider.com/vaccinated-among-delta-deaths-but-older-relatively-few-uk-data-2021-6

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              TdeF

              It would be very interesting to draw the conclusion that the vaccine did not work. But these are all people who are very sick from the virus. In that case the deaths of old vs young should be 50:1 not 50:50. So the vaccine is helping greatly.

              However what is unknownable is how many more older people would have been very sick if the older population was not vaccinated.

              Vaccination does not stop infection itself but can stop the rapid progression of the infection by having existing antibodies. In some older people, the advantage of existing antibodies is not enough. But it is enough to put them on par with younger people.

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                TdeF

                Or put another way, in 2020 only two out of every 100 people who died of coronavirus were under 50. Now its 50:50. This means the innoculation is working, far fewer old people are dying as a proportion of all those who are very sick.

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                OriginalSteve

                “put another way, in 2020 only two out of every 100 people who died of coronavirus were under 50. Now its 50:50.”

                What is the source for those figures please?

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                TdeF

                It was a quick look on the internet. Hard to find the over 50/under 50 comparison to match the statement. 9 out of 10 over 65 is easy to find on the BBC.

                “Only two out of every 100 people who die of coronavirus are under 50” This was the Guardian last year.

                Where they obtained their figures I do not know, but these figures mean most of the deaths were over 50, 98% and 90% over 65, so 8% between 50 and 65.

                My point is that assuming wildly that random infection is comparable rather than just racing through nursing homes, the proportion of deaths over 50 has dropped from 98% to 50%, which means they are no more at risk than uninfected younger people.

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            PeterS

            There is a third possibility; more people are become immune to the virus, which is what is expected anyway over time.

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            MP

            It all comes back to the Virus isolate, this is a CDC doc on the isolation and purification of the virus.
            They could not get it to culture on Bat cells, it would not culture on human cells, they could only culture it on Monkey cells and only after they had poisoned the cell line.

            “The shocking thing about the above [CDC journal] quote is that using their own methods, the virologists found that solutions containing SARS-CoV-2 — even in high amounts — were NOT, I repeat NOT, infective to any of the three human tissue cultures they tested. In plain English, this means they proved, on their terms, that this ‘new coronavirus’ is not infectious to human beings. It is ONLY infective to monkey kidney cells, and only then when you add two potent drugs (gentamicin and amphotericin), These virologists, published by the CDC, performed a clear proof, on their terms, showing that the SARS-CoV- 2 virus is harmless to human beings. That is the only possible conclusion, but, unfortunately, this result is not even mentioned in their conclusion. They simply say they can provide virus stocks cultured only on monkey Vero cells

            https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article

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          Harves

          Despite daily press conferences with Australian State premiers and health officials, only one journalist has dared ask the obvious question; “So, how many Australians are currently hospitalised with covid?” The Premier who failed to answer, and the MSM basically portrayed her as rude for daring to do so. Free pass given to the Premier.
          Govt websites continue to publish ‘total deaths’ because admitting that the Delta variant has killed fewer Australians than the vaccine wouldn’t fit the narrative, eh?
          In Queensland we had 3 cases early in the week and went into lockdown. We had 5 cases yesterday but that was ok to come out of lockdown. Need I mention, the Broncos are playing at home tonight?

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            OldOzzie

            “So, how many Australians are currently hospitalised with covid?”

            https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/coronavirus-cases-data-reveals-how-covid-19-spreads-in-australia/12060704#hospitalisation

            18 June 2021 – 39 Hospitalised in Australia and 1 in ICU

            2 July 2021 = 65 Hospitalised in Australia and 2 in ICU

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              OldOzzie

              Oops sorry – 2 July 2021 = 65 Hospitalised in Australia and 4 in ICU

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                Hasbeen

                May be they have started using Ivermectin in hospitals, & are getting the results one would expect if they do.

                Pity we still can’t get it to use instead of some concoction claimed to be a vaccine. I took it or Hydroxychloroquine in the islands as a prophylactics for years, & it kept me safe from malaria. It would be nice to be able to use it to do the same against this virus.

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                OriginalSteve

                In Australia on average at peak of flu season in August/Sept 2014-2019, hospitalizations averaged 200-400 per month.

                https://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/BC3BED526F8FE7CACA258404001ADDFE/$File/flu-02-2019.pdf

                “FluCAN: Since seasonal sentinel hospital surveillance began on 1 April 2019, 386 people with influenza have been admitted to sentinel hospitals. Of those admitted, 24 (6.2%) were admitted to ICU. In the fortnight to 19 May 2019, 3 of the 67 people admitted to sentinel hospitals with confirmed influenza (4.5%) were admitted to ICU. A number of hospitals may also have a backlog of cases and it is expected that numbers may be revised upwards.

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                MP

                In QLD and the NT any positive test is hospitalised, or used to be.

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              Brenda Spence

              Question – are they inhospital with covid or because of the covid vax?

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              Robber

              More data on hospitalisation trends in Australia
              18 in hospital June 8, 66 July 3.
              Previous 12 months 263 April 8, 685 Aug 12, 51 Jan 15, 87 April 1, 75 April 28.

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              OldOzzie

              Ivermectin: Whole of Country Trials Updated

              by David Archibald
              3 July 2021

              India’s second wave was looking ominous until a number of Indian states started issuing ivermectin to treat Covid patients. Then, on 7th June, approval of ivermectin was revoked at the federal level. This was followed by an immediate reversal of trend until sanity prevailed again. You have to admire health officials who quite readily sacrifice the lives of several thousand of their fellow citizens in order to generate irrefutable efficacy data.

              The Czech Republic was also having a torrid second wave of the virus until ivermectin was approved on 8th March. On 30th June the death rate was down to two per day.

              In the United States, the National Institutes of Health approved off-label use of ivermectin on 24th January. Consequently or coincidentally, the US death rate from the virus started falling soon afterward. The FDA continues its campaign against the drug though. And against any other cheap and benign drug displaying efficacy against their virus.

              This paper found that the over-the-counter drug “N-acetylcysteine (NAC) is inexpensive, has very low toxicity, has been FDA approved for many years, and has the potential to improve therapeutic strategies for COVID-19.” And “NAC administration in combination with other antiviral agents may dramatically reduce hospital admission rate, mechanical ventilation and mortality.” The paper put forward a therapeutic strategy for using NAC against the virus:

              According to their work, NAC shows no benefit after multiple organ failure.

              So what did the FDA do? The FDA promptly banned NAC. The moral bankruptcy in the US health bureaucracy is breathtaking.

              There are plenty of risk factors for the Wuhan virus. The big one is obesity. And it starts from a low level. This paper has this summary:

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          greggg

          Page 8, Table 2 lists CFR for those who visited an NHS Emergency Department. Delta 0.3%, Alpha 1.9%, Beta 1.5%, Eta 2.8%. The CFR for all infected would be much lower.

          Page 13, Table 4 shows 53,882 unvaccinated, 19,957 partly vaccinated and 7,235 fully vaccinated visited emergency care with the Delta strain. 44 unvaccinated deaths, 20 partly vaccinated and 50 fully vaccinated deaths. The vaccine protects against hospitalisation much better than it protects against death. Do the vaccines increase the odds of dying from covid? No wonder they quote vaccine effectiveness for symptom reduction and not the vaccines effect on death rate.

          https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/997418/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf

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        Just Thinkin'

        If they are using the PCR testing “equipment”
        they will continue to “find” heaps.

        And, going on what the inventor of the PCR
        test said, “They’ll find whatever they want.
        Whether is is still active or not is another
        question.”

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          Sigh. And here in Western Australia we’ve done 1.2 million PCR tests and found only 25 cases in the entire 2.5 million population.

          “Heaps” Not.

          PCR tests can be abused and misused like any test. But to claim that the test itself is faulty in a generic way is not accurate. (To be as polite as I can). The number of cycles matters of course, but contact tracing shows that higher viral loads are more infectious. A positive test predicts who has a much higher chance of going to hospital. The sequencing of the viral code also predicts where cases are connected.

          Looks like a useful test, smells like a useful test, predicts outcomes…. like a useful test.

          Let’s stay on the highground scientifically. It’s so much more useful to point to specific cases where they are cheating. It will cut a lot more mustard in medical circles. When medico’s hear people say things they know are wrong, they dismiss the rest of the message. I don’t want to single anyone out, because a lot of people are using the generic argument. So many, I wonder if the misinformation is being deliberately fed…

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            MP

            Do you think there are people being paid to push a narrative?

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              Sceptical Sam

              Do you think there are people being paid to push a narrative?

              There certainly are people who have a motivation to push a false narrative.

              These are the anti-vaxxers. Some of whom are being encouraged by lefty activists at State and Federal level to try and even up the possibility of a close Federal election outcome next year. Some of those activists are employed by the political party that stands to gain from the confusion they cause.

              So, the short answer is: yes.

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                Hanrahan

                “Sceptical Sam” sneering at “anti-vaxers”. Am I the only one who sees it?

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                Analitik

                The left aren’t the “anti-vaxers” as they follow the narrative

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                Sceptical Sam

                Oh dear me. Here we go.

                Hanrahan: if you’re an anti-vaxxer you’re being played by political operatives who are much smarter than you. You might honestly hold the anti-vax views, and that’s your right. However, the political manipulation is palpable, and obvious for all to see, who have an eye to see it.

                Sneering? Nope. You might not like the observation. However, your accusation demonstrates your blinkers are firmly in place – if not your mask. You are being manipulated.

                Analitik: Not be the anti-vaxxers in totality, but the the left (Labor/Greens) can see a point of attack against their political opponents by using the anti-vaxxers’ message and some of the anti-vaxxers to achieve the lefties’ political ends. The anti-vaxxers are being used and their message is being subverted

                How does that work? Do I need to spell it out in detail for you?

                OK. By undermining and white-anting the inoculation and its roll-out the activists slow the roll-out across Australia by increasing the fear of adverse outcomes from the inoculation itself.

                The Federal Government is closely linked to the success of the roll-out. If the roll-out fails, the Federal Government is attacked as incompetent. That is likely to have impacts on the outcome of next year’s Federal election.

                If you’re a Labor or Green political activist you have a vested interest in ensuring the inoculation roll-out is sub-optimal.

                Capacitarsi?

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                Sceptical Sam

                Correction:

                Analitik: Not all…

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                Analitik

                Sam, the opposition are criticizing the government for failing to procure enough, vaccine, failing to procure the right vaccine, for not getting vaccines earlier, for not creating mass vaccination mandates, etc

                So you think anti-vaxers are lefties acting as undercover agitators to add ammunition to the opposition’s positions? I don’t think they’re that smart

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                MP

                What the hell is an anti-vaxer. Someone who questions an untested drug manufactured by the most corrupt industry in history. Someone who has every vaccine but refuses to take a chemical cocktail of unknown ingredients that meets non of the definitions of vaccine. Someone who refuses to be part of an experiment and it is a trial. Someone who questions the massive propaganda campaign pushed by media, governments and the Gates industrial complex, for a disease that’s less than the annual flu.

                The original test groups for efficacy only, not safety, where paid for their participation, you tards do it for free.

                For 18 months the governments of the world have been dangling the carrot in your face, if you just give up more of your rights we will allow you 5 more people in your house, 5 more K’s from home, all instantly taken straight back off you.

                Take your GMO, put your mask back on and get back under your bed, you will be safe there.

                You literally have no concept of reality, turn off the MSM and there is no virus, nobody dropping dead in the streets, no sirens constantly going past your front door, nobody welding doors shut, nobody handing out free oxygen bottles from the back of a truck, you will notice no difference to your life.

                Lefties WTF

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                Sceptical Sam

                So you think anti-vaxers are lefties acting as undercover agitators to add ammunition to the opposition’s positions? I don’t think they’re that smart

                No.

                The other way around.

                The lefty activists are using the anti-vaxxers, subverting their message, and white-anting the Australian roll-out for political benefit. The anti-vaxxers are complicit.

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                clarence.t

                “Take your GMO…. “

                I wonder how many people who totally accept the safety and efficacy of the current vaccines….

                … are also strongly against GMO foods ?

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                Analitik

                By your logic, Sam, those who are anti-renewables are also aiding the left

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                Sceptical Sam

                By your logic, Sam, those who are anti-renewables are also aiding the left

                Nonsense Analitic. You really don’t get it, do you.

                Some on the left are, I repeat, are anti-renewables.

                Fit that into your logic.

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            Peter C

            “Sigh”, I suppose means; how many times do I have to repeat myself before the message gets through.

            PCR is quite an interesting subject actually and there are a lot of good unanswered questions about its use as a Covid diagnostic test.

            I don’t think Just Thinkin’ said it was inaccurate. My impression was that he thought it was misused.

            contact tracing shows that higher viral loads are more infectious. A positive test predicts who has a much higher chance of going to hospital. The sequencing of the viral code also predicts where cases are connected.

            Q1. Contract tracing shows higher loads are more infections.
            I have not seen that information released. If so it would be useful. So far our health authorities have not even said how many cycles of amplification are actually used. It is said to be 35-40. Who knows?

            Q2. A positive tests predicts a higher chance of going to hospital.
            Yes OK. Having Covid has a higher chance of going to hospital, but is that quantified by the number of cycles of the PCR to a positive result?

            Q3. The sequencing of the viral code also predicts where the cases are connected.
            Yes that seems clear, if indeed the sequencing tests are conducted. I suppose they are. But has the viral genome been sequenced? If so how? If the viral code has been sequenced how come the virus itself has not been isolated?

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              Scissor

              I wonder if a PCR test is any better, or even worse, than a thermometer. I imagine that fever, as found via a thermometer, could also be predictive when it comes to illness.

              Is the situation similar to Merck downplaying its Ivermecten at $1/dose in favor of its new therapeutic at $700/dose?

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                Kalm Keith

                The thermometer to the forehead was widely used in Vietnam and alongside immediate isolation from China and relatively short localised shutdowns in spots where the virus was detected, they have progressed through in a sensible manner.

                They were guided by the best World practice, untainted by politics.

                If only we still had an unpoliticised CSIRO and CSL working for us.

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            Kalm Keith

            Hi Jo,

            my understanding of this area of biology is very basic, but there seems to be something wrong when a state is prepared to spend approximately Sixty Millionaire Dollars on testing to confirm that there are twenty-five “cases” of CV19.

            That’s a cost of over $2,000,000 to identify each case.

            Additionally it is likely that the cases were asymptomatic and otherwise healthy and required no treatment.

            What’s very worrying is the way politicians don’t seem to factor in the social damage being done under the lockdown remedy.

            Damaged schooling, reduced social contact plus when people do get back to work, a huge tax impost to pay off the accumulated government debt incurred so readily on our behalf.

            Drug use has apparently gone ballistic and those who have held on to the hope of reopening their small business are, I would suspect, teetering on the edge of complete breakdown.

            We need to remove the biggest threats and at the moment it doesn’t seem to be CV19.

            More and more doctors are voicing serious concerns over the push to jab the whole world; are they Wrong?

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              Kalm Keith

              My apologies,

              We will not have higher taxes, we will be “quantitatively eased” in line with the best Wall street practice.

              Are we suffering from an Australian form of mass “Arkancide”?

              We need to take back our democracy, urgently.

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            John R Smith

            25 cases in 2.5 million.
            How many of the 25 got sick?
            Close down the society and punish people for defiance?
            Viruses can be stopped at borders?
            If vax doesn’t enable a return to normalcy, what does?
            Truth lies in the unsaid.

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        David Maddison

        Interestingly, most states in Australia used to have purpose built quarantine facilities that had been available for use almost since European settlement. In Vicdanistan there was Fairfield Hospital which was a relatively modern hospital whose purpose was to treat people with infectious diseases. It was in use from 1904 to 1996 and then the government decided it was no longer needed and the site was sold to developers.

        Wikipedia has an article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfield_Infectious_Diseases_Hospital?wprov=sfla1

        Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital, originally known as Queens Memorial Infectious Diseases Hospital, operated from 1904 to its closure in 1996. Perched high on the banks of the Yarra River at Yarra Bend in the inner Melbourne suburb of Fairfield, it developed an international reputation for the research and treatment of infectious diseases. When it closed, it was the last specific infectious diseases hospital in Australia.

        Initially the hospital was devoted to the treatment of patients with fevers. Diseases treated included typhoid, diphtheria, cholera, smallpox, poliomyelitis and scarlet fever, and in its final years, HIV/AIDS became very prominent.

        Site and planning

        In the 1860s, the colony of Victoria was rife with diseases such as diphtheria, typhoid, smallpox and scarlet fever. At the time, Melbourne had two general hospitals, Melbourne and Alfred and three specialist hospitals, Lying-In, Children’s and Eye and Ear. These five hospitals were unable to cope with the annual bouts of infectious diseases which recurred frequently. The Colonial Government began discussing the idea of constructing a hospital to treat patients with infectious diseases. Two sites were considered, one at Yarra Bend and another further along Heidelberg Road. Yarra Bend was the preferred location however the local residents protested and the proposal was dropped.

        Plans for an infectious diseases hospital were again considered in 1874 however no significant moves were made until 1897, the year of Queen Victoria’s Diamond Jubilee. Queen Victoria had made it know that any funds raised to celebrate her Jubilee should be used to help the sick. By November 1897, £16 000 was raised by municipal levies. The government granted 15 acres (6.1 ha) of land at Yarra Bend, due north of the Yarra Bend Asylum. Tenders were listed in 1900 for the hospital’s first buildings and construction was completed in 1901. Unfortunately all of the funds had been consumed by building the hospital and further money had to be sourced to furnish the buildings and employ staff.

        [..]

        Spanish Influenza

        In 1918 Melbourne and Sydney’s ports were placed under quarantine in an attempt to avoid the introduction into Australia of the Spanish Influenza epidemic which was claiming thousands of lives around the world. While the quarantine had some effect in limiting the introduction of the disease to Australia, the first cases were eventually diagnosed and patients were hospitalised, causing a sharp rise in intake figures. Fairfield Hospital’s intake of patients had remained stable until 1918–1920; during these years the intake jumped to 6000 patients a year, which would remain the average until the late 1980s.

        See link for rest.

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          Chris

          My mother was a nurse at Fairfield for several years mostly around the TB wards. When the nurses came off the ward they were given a cigarette to smoke by the doctor in charge, and they had to smoke all of it to “kill any germs they had picked up in the ward”.

          She died of lung cancer.

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            Peter C

            Thanks Chris,

            I have not heard that before. I know a lot of nurses smoke cigarettes but I did not know they were prescribed at the Fairfield Infectious Diseases hospital as a prophylactic to Tb infection.

            When did your mother work there?

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        TdeF

        I was upset that until we are all vaccinated, all virus scares come from international flights. And Melbourne, 83% of Victoria, has been locked down for six months. Only now are other states starting to feel that. So it was with real concern that I read only half of the incoming people were Australian citizens.

        Then days later I read that 80% of the people coming were New Zealanders who while not citizens, came from a place with zero cases. So we were being deceived by cherry picked statistics, misinformation, perhaps in time for State Premiers to assault the Federal Government?

        The blame shifting between states and Federal has to stop. And of course Dear Leader Daniel Andrews has reappeared, wife in the frame, from his very suspicious accident. So the games will increase as he looks for a way to get back with the Belt and Road and to undermine the authority of the Federation. And he has to convince the population that the 820 deaths and total havoc and mass depression he caused were someone else’s fault, preferably Scott Morrison and the Liberals.

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        Mark Allinson

        Another study finds that lockdowns are – at best – totally useless:

        “We failed to find that countries or U.S. states that implemented SIP policies earlier, and in which SIP policies had longer to operate, had lower excess deaths than countries/U.S. states that were slower to implement SIP policies. We also failed to observe differences in excess death trends before and after the implementation of SIP policies based on pre-SIP COVID-19 death rates.”

        https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28930/w28930.pdf

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      mikewaite

      I have just been watching a young Australian woman, a Ms Barty, cross another hurdle on her way, possibly,
      to the Wimbledon Championship.
      Should she succeed and arrive in Sydney clutching a title shield last won for australia by,(I think ) Ms Goolagong ,
      she will be tested, quarantined and basically humiliated because Covid and arriving from that pit of delta hell, aka: England.
      Meanwhile Ms Thunberg a multimilionaire who has done not a shred of hard work in her life, neither athletic nor intellectual
      would be ushered off the plane (or millionaire’s yacht), by bowing and scraping priime ministers as if royalty.
      Business women whose only “crime” was to travel abroad to get contracts to generate employment back home will be similarly humiliated.
      Shame on you Australia. Shame on you now and for ever.

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        Chad

        Meanwhile Ms Thunberg a multimilionaire who has done not a shred of hard work in her life, neither athletic nor intellectual
        would be ushered off the plane (or millionaire’s yacht), by bowing and scraping priime ministers as if royalty.

        When did this happen ?
        Or when is she arriving ?
        OR.. are you just running a imaginary situation…..IE .. BS !
        The girl is seriously misinformed and mislead , but heaping false accusations on her is worse !

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        TdeF

        That’s not right.

        Australia is very poorly innoculated and miles behind the US and UK as a %.

        Countries stole our vaccines for which we paid in advance. Their argument remains that as an island nation, we have eliminated the virus and do not need the vaccines. So the only way we stop tens of thousands from dying, a daily total in the UK for example, is to totally isolate. This is not humiliating. It is sensible

        We have also manufactured our own Astrazeneca and we are ramping up the quantities, so the next thing we hear is that it is very dangerous for half the population when it is no more dangerous than most vaccines for most communicable diseases. In the game which is big Pharma, we are always being misinformed.

        And Ashley Barty is fine. Before anyone presumed quarantine is ‘humiliating’, consider that it is accepted as necessary when you leave and it is part of representing a very vulnerable place with only 8% of the population fully vaccinated.

        As for Ms Thunberg, her home country believed in herd immunity, which was wrong. And the proved it with 15,000 dead from 40% of our population. Our death total could be 40,000 people and if it entered the aboriginal community, vastly higher. Our sports people will soon go to the Olympics in Japan. Everyone has to be very careful about quarantine in a world where still thousands die every day.

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          tonyb

          “So the only way we stop tens of thousands from dying, a daily total in the UK for example, is to totally isolate. This is not humiliating. It is sensible”

          Did you mean to write that? Around 15 to 20 people are dying either OF Covid or with Covid each day in the UK. Some 1400 are dying of other causes each day. Covid is around the 25th leading cause of death. Flu is currently much greater not that you would know that from the media.

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            TdeF

            I think the tenses are mixed. Today in a highly innoculated country, the UK is finally winning the battle. And yes, 15 to 20 a day but not 1,000 a day. But the situation in Australia is that it is not highly innoculated and the risk of letting people in is to create a death rate comparable to the UK last year.

            As for flu, it is the remnant of the original Spanish Flu from 1918. There were no vaccines. The world lost at least 30 million people and perhaps 100 million and in Australia we were still losing 2,000 people a year to the Spanish Flu, even two years ago. In the last year, no one died from the H1N1 flu.

            So my comment was firstly in response to the deadly suggestion that because our sports stars have to quarantine like everyone else, it is humiliating and therefore we should change the rules for some. It is not. It is the tiny price you pay. That is the deal because we are all in quarantine. Or stay away.

            The second one is now the absurd idea that the Spanish Flu is more deadly when what we can take from the Australian experience with virus elimination is that the same solution works for both. Stop viruses entering your country. But with mass illegal migration to the UK every day, what hope do you have? We stopped that too.

            Australians decide who will come to their island and under what circumstances. That is the definition of a country. And a target for destruction by the elites who want cheap labour and damn the consequences.

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              TdeF

              And, the UK has 2,000 new cases a day currently. Which in a highly vaccinated society is very worrying.

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                MrGrimNasty

                More like 25,000 new cases a day, just as exponential as Autumn 2020.

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                MP

                Nooo not more cases, everyday, my god when will this ever end.

                But Asscott races reopened for the elite, no masks no distancing, one big pis$ up. Why aren’t they afraid of all the cases?

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          Peter C

          Australia is very poorly innoculated and miles behind the US and UK as a %.

          Countries stole our vaccines for which we paid in advance.

          Probably correct Tdef, but it highlights the vulnerability of outsourcing strategically critical infrastructure overseas. Australia had, possibly still has, the capacity to make vaccines. Our Government just did not activate that capacity early. We are still catching up 18 months later.

          Whether you should actually have the vaccine is another question.

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            Scissor

            Good comment. At this point, to me it appears that for healthy and young people, they would be better off to be infected with the Delta variant that to be “vaccinated.”

            Apparently, Muller’s Ratchet predicts that mutations should lead to declines in virulence.

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            MP

            Its been six months since the not a vaccine was available to you. Australia are building three more not a vaccine factories (QLD, NSW, SA), we have one in Canberra already. Why do you all need this amount of productivity for your shots, you think this is a one off, this shite injected into your body will be continuous.
            These factories are being sold to us as Jobs, Jobs and more Jobs, the pharmaceutical industry is robotics not people.

            The limited supply and all the hype is standard marketing practice.

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            clarence.t

            CSl was making a lot of vaccines (Astra)

            For some reason they are going to close that down and make them OS.. just dumb !

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          Analitik

          We should encourage the spread of the more infectious but less virulent Delta strain to naturally immunise the population. The lockdowns have bought us the time for CoViD to mutate to this far less dangerous variant as well as to prove that it can be treated effectively with off script drugs like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine along with suitable supplements like zinc and vitamin D.

          Sort of /sarc but something to ponder.

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            wokebuster

            That’s what I’ve been waiting for. I want natural immunity not some Frankenstein vaccine making the elites even richer.

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          yarpos

          6000+ dead and counting due to vaccine reactions in the US by their own reporting. I dont feel any great stress about the “falling behind” meme.

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    Richard Owen No.3

    I am reading a book by Richard Overy about 2 decades in the UK; despair, despondency about the future and a widespread belief that mankind was doomed. There was a loss of belief in democracy in that it didn’t seem capable of reacting quickly enough to the coming catastrophe. There was talk of a Great Reset of society coming.

    The Malthusians were agitated by the rising population. Euthanasia was considered desirable, based on Darwin’s theory. Many leading literary figures advocated a “controlled society” either Socialist or Communist, and in the end many felt that a war was inevitable and might bring a change for the better.

    The book is “The Twilight Years” and was published in 2009 and is about the years between the first and second world wars.

    All this angst on the back of rising wages and better living for most, although not the industrial working class. They had fallen victims to British complacency that had started about the Great Exhibition in 1851, and continued while buoyed up by colonial markets. Technical education and expertise had been dismissed by managements and inefficient work practices entrenched. (see Correlli Barnet’s The Audit of War published a decade before).

    The paperback edition talks of “parallels with present times”.
    PF would feel right at home.

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      Richard Owen No.3

      I know my comment was O/T but this is the Unthreaded Post. Why or what sent it to moderation?

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        Peter C

        Not OT.

        Just a gremlin in the moderation software.

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        Serp

        I’ve been unwarrantedly moderated often enough to have all sorts of suspicions about its engine.

        In this case maybe you were moderated by an actual living person who was struggling to absorb the wealth of exposition you supplied where each word is freighted with terror if the moderator is feeling below par.

        A polite email inquiry to support at joannenova dot com dot au is always effective in removing the block.

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    bill treuren

    Delta is much less of an issue that has been studied.

    We need a plan for normalization because the mutations will keep this industry rolling for ever.
    Remember the vaccine is single site antibody and infection is multi-site so the vaccine is selecting the next variant possibly stronger, we need to catch this covid with VitD and Ivermectin in play.

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      Just Thinkin'

      Unfortunately Bill, you and I both know your suggestions
      do not fit in with The New World Orders plans.

      They’re hell bent on getting EVERYONE to have “the jab”.

      Whatever happened to “by the people, for the people”?

      GOD, help Australia.

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        MrGrimNasty

        The UK gov. tone seems to have changed markedly, unless there is some massive increase in deaths they now want to ‘live with it’, end measures in 2 weeks, masks etc. to be a personal choice. They’ve finally woken up to the fact that the damage of the pretty useless containment measures are as bad as covid.

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      Broadie

      In the sequencing the Delta ‘ dot 2’ is currently making a run for it in Washington State

      Meanwhile the SARS-Cov_2 continues to crank along at ~5% of those presenting with pneumonia and influenza.

      Lock downs forever! Vaccinated or not!

      These lock downs are destroying small business, families and our freedoms. For what? Our Hospitals are overrun by lonely old people whose families cannot travel to advocate and care for and those mentally and physically destroyed by the propaganda and restrictions.

      We are about to enter the next phase where vaccinated will attack the unvaccinated. The Big-endians against the Little-ndians.

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        Serp

        Surely we don’t have enough of the population vaccinated for them to be turning on everyone else today and at the rate of take up in Australia it’s unlikely they’ll ever reach preponderance.

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        Kalm Keith

        Thanks Broadie,

        “These lock downs are destroying small business, families and our freedoms.
        For what?
        Our Hospitals are overrun by lonely old people whose families cannot travel to advocate and care for and those mentally and physically destroyed by the propaganda and restrictions.”

        How they’ve managed to offset all that, not see it, and go forward to “fight the most dangerous Epi Demic Evah!” is completely beyond me.

        The self indulgent leading the slaves.

        We need to get off our butts and protest soon.

        And, lest we forget; O’Biden won the election fair and square, the Florida tower collapse was caused by Global Warming, not corrupt developers and local government agencies, and Australia isn’t stuffed, it only seems to be.

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    Raven

    Two SA wind farms fined more than $1 million for their role in 2016 statewide blackout.

    But Justice Richard White found the wind farms’ “use of non-approved settings in the present case compromised AEMO’s ability to discharge its responsibility because it meant that it was making important decisions concerning the secure operating limits of the power system on the basis of incomplete information”.

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    Ossqss

    Surprise, an un-numbered sunspot popped out the first X class flare in 4 years a couple hours ago. An R3 is middle of the pack strong

    https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/news/r3-strong-radio-blackout-observed

    https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/noaa-scales-explanation

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    Kalm Keith

    Followup to the previous post on “five Asian countries”.

    A few years ago it became apparent that one of those countries, Vietnam was being covered with “renewables”.

    Given the situation it would be interesting to look at the financing of the wind and solar projects to see where the physical, installed “generators” came from.

    Anyone interested might look up Bac Lieu on Google earth, if you have it. Look in the water at the coast there and see if you can pick out the rows of wind mills.

    Are these projects donated by the U.N. or purchased by the government. What money flowed where.

    Has the fishing been affected?

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      Chad

      KK….
      Belt and Road. ..??

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        Richard Owen No.3

        Chinese scheme for getting control.

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        Kalm Keith

        I was thinking more along the lines of German origin items maybe funded by a poor nation grant from the U.N.

        Vietnam does business with China but I’m not sure that the system would be happy to put their independence at stake with a renewables deal.

        But who knows, money can do strange things to people’s judgment

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    Raven

    Saw a news article on the US pulling out of Afghanistan.

    It showed police and Afghan military shaking hands and hugging members of the (incoming) Taliban while handing over some installations. In another shot, they panned to what passes for an immigration centre saying women and girls in particular were looking to get their travel documents in order so as to leave.

    All that training of Afghan troops and all those lives lost, not to mention the $$ cost.
    I have a feeling it’s all going to be for naught as life returns to 2010.

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      el gordo

      The Russians spent a decade there last century and were forced to make an undignified retreat, the Western Alliance is little different.

      I pity the plight of Afghan women, returning to Medieval conditions.

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        Richard Owen No.3

        The British weren’t that successfull in the 1840’s and 1870’s either.
        The history of the first Afghan war was called A Signal Catastrophe. Lone survivor of the retreating army staggers into fort with the Regimental Colours wrapped around his body.
        Noted for a ‘falling out’ between the Army Commander and his second in command who felt that some action was necessary. The Commander, for some reason loaded his duelling pistols and dropped one, which went off and shot him in the buttocks. The second in command observed at large in the officers mess “He got us into this mess and all he does is try to blow his brains out”. Shortly after this the second in command was detached with some troops and made his way to safety. They were the survivors.

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          OldOzzie

          The Great Game

          Peter Hopkirk

          For nearly a century the two most powerful nations on earth; Victorian Britain and Tsarist Russia; fought a secret war in the lonely passes and deserts of Central Asia. Those engaged in this shadowy struggle called it The Great Game, a phrase immortalized in Kipling Kim.

          When play first began the two rival empires lay nearly 2,000 miles apart. By the end, some Russian outposts were within 20 miles of India.

          This classic book tells the story of the Great Game through the exploits of the young officers, both British and Russian, who risked their lives playing it. Disguised as holy men or native horse-traders, they mapped secret passes, gathered intelligence and sought the allegiance of powerful khans. Some never returned. The violent repercussions of the Great Game are still convulsing Central Asia today.

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        Maptram

        And any country that refuses to take Afghan women and children who manage to leave, for any reason such as Covid risk, will be branded as racist, sexist and any other ism that can be thought of.

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          Chad

          Of course i realise the plight of those Women and other faiths….
          But it would not be the first time that the refugee route has been used to export terrorist seed cells to unsuspecting countries.

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      David Maddison

      Yes, sadly, you can’t impose civilisation on people who don’t want it.

      Despite the Leftist doctrine of “cultural relativism” which teaches that “all cultures are equal” that is obviously not true.

      Interestingly, Leftists never complain about the mistreatment of women, children or various minorities in Afghanistan or those with “dissident” beliefs of various kinds.

      Efforts should have been focused on assisting people who genuinely rejected THAT defective culture and wanted to escape to countries that offered more freedom.

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        OldOzzie

        A History of Women in Afghanistan: Then and Now

        It may be surprising to know that women in Afghanistan participated socially, politically and economically in the life of their societies before the Taliban came into power.

        How did a woman like Malalai die on the battlefield as one of Afghanistan’s greatest heroine but today women in Afghanistan face difficulty leaving their home without a male escort? Interestingly enough, women have played a huge role in the history of Afghanistan. In 1964, women helped draft the Constitution and there were at least three women legislators in Parliament by the 1970’s. Women fulfilled roles as teachers, government workers, medical doctors, lawyers, judges, journalists, writers and poets up until the early 1990s. Moreover, women had constituted 40% of the doctors in Kabul; 70% of school teachers; 60% of Kabul University professors and 50% of the University students. It was not unusual for men and women to casually mingle at movie theatres and on university campuses. This is a far cry from little girls heading to schools today fearing an acid attack. Or 15-year-old Sahar Gul being kept in a basement for six months, tortured with hot iron rods, her fingernails ripped out, all for resisting [email protected]

        One particularly interesting segment in the history of Afghan women is during the 1960. The government oversaw various rural development programmes where female nurses were sent in Jeeps to remote areas and villages to inoculate residents from diseases such as cholera. The impossibility of this scheme today is almost too painful to consider. If it were to be pursued by the government now, the men in rural areas would scoff at the idea of their women travelling freely, entering the homes of male strangers, and in some cases, having to touch a strange man in order to treat him. Security concerns alone make such an effort impossible as government nurses (as well as UN and NGO medical workers) are regular targets for insurgent groups. Who cares if she is trying to save lives? She is a woman!

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        el gordo

        Beijing wants to have a try.

        ‘China has said it will seek to expand substantially Belt and Road Initiative projects to Afghanistan and deepen the “dialogue mechanism” for the region, in an apparent effort to raise its influence after the US withdraws its troops from the country.

        ‘Wrapping up a video dialogue on the peace and reconciliation process in Afghanistan with his counterparts in Afghanistan and Pakistan on Thursday, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said that while the withdrawal of US troops might bring uncertainties regarding security, it gave Afghan people an opportunity to “truly control their own destiny” and was good for the country’s long-term stability, according to China’s official readout.

        “The three sides agreed to deepen the cooperation in BRI, supporting the substantial expansion of it to Afghanistan, and enhance the level of interconnection between the three countries,” Wang said. (SCMP)

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        yarpos

        Yep its only 2021 in some countries, many others are trapped in a medieval time warp

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      GlenM

      Another foreign policy stuff up by the US. Again. The tribal confounding is timeless and combined with an anachronistic Is..m it was bound to come to nought. WMD? Road maps to peace or democracy. Absolute failure.

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    Kalm Keith

    The Florida disaster, a human induced incident, is now being blamed on “climate change”, every shoddy builder and building certifiers best new friend.

    https://weather.com/news/trending/video/climate-scientists-eye-sea-level-rise-as-contributing-factor-in-miami-condo-0

    Listen to the estimate of sea level rise in the area and you will be convinced.

    Oh no, it wasn’t bad design and cheap construction, it was carbon dioxide, that nasty gas.

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      Dave in the States

      I saw an “expert” trying to make a connection to climate change sound plausible last night on the univision news as I surfed into it briefly. He had adistressed look on his face as he struggled with his made up story. It was like an 8th grader trying to report a lab experiment which he had neglected to perform and he knew his report was getting more ridiculous each second. He was sweating it. The clueless and gullible news anchor was buying this BS entirely.

      Apparently the pool deck structure above the parking garage failed and began leaking the contents of the swimming pool. This in turn undermined the foundation of the building. The structure supporting the pool deck may have been comprised by some construction adjacent to it four years ago.

      https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/2021/06/28/surfside-official-sent-disturbing-report-told-board-condo-good-shape/117281430/

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    David Maddison

    This article is about CCP members in Western countries and companies,not about Western people of influence like politicians in the CCP although I’m sure there’s plenty of those.

    Our intelligence agencies have no clue whatsoever, in fact, they’re probably infiltrated themselves. Hence their pronouncements about concerns about “right wing extremism” which essentially means peaceful traditional political conservatives who support free enterprise, traditional families with only two genders, Judeo-Christian ethics, belief in reason and science and objective reality etc..

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/chinese-communist-party-database-leak-reveals-infiltration-into-western-companies/news-story/8fa8f08a2e29564413499f7769ae0bae

    Chinese Communist Party database leak reveals infiltration into Western companies

    DECEMBER 14, 2020 10:48AM

    An unprecedented data leak has revealed how alleged Chinese Communist Party members have embedded themselves inside some of the world’s biggest companies, including defence contractors, banks and pharmaceutical giants manufacturing coronavirus vaccines.

    The Australian newspaper has obtained the leaked database of almost two million CCP members – including their party position, birthdate, national ID number and ethnicity – and 79,000 branches, many of them inside companies, universities and even government agencies.

    Among the companies identified as having CCP members in their employ are manufacturers like Boeing and Volkswagen, drug giants Pfizer and AstraZeneca, and financial institutions including ANZ and HSBC, according to the reports.

    [..]

    See link for rest.

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      Serp

      Provides further confirmation of Clive Hamilton’s research as detailed in Silent Invasion and Hidden Hand; of course none of us in the database.

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      Peter C

      Thanks el gordo,

      I have been waiting on that.
      A few more cold months and the plateau (pause) will go all the way back to 1998.

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      GlenM

      Not a trend as such but looks like one. I’d be thinking that global cooling is on!

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        el gordo

        That is my impression too. We need to highlight global cooling signals and understand the natural variables behind them. In this way we can present climate change as a natural phenomenon.

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          Serp

          I don’t see why we should shy away from being held responsible for freezing the planet; best leave nature out of it el gordo.

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            el gordo

            The brainwashed masses need to be informed that the human input, for climate change on this planet, is negligible. The consequence of this is that we are at the mercy of nature and there is nothing to fear, it works like a clock.

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              Ian

              “The brainwashed masses need to be informed ”

              There are often disparaging comments on this and other Conservative sites about the “elites”. Your rather arrogant remark would seem to class you as one of these “elites”.

              Perhaps it is the climate sceptics that are the “brain washed”. As climate sceptics are in the minority they can’t be referred to as ” brainwashed masses”

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                el gordo

                Everyone I know in the real world, friends and family, have been brainwashed.

                Better we talk about the science, natural variability rules and CO2 has no part to play.

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                clarence.t

                And yet, there you are, Ian, a rabid “believer” without being able to produce a scrap of real scientific evidence for even the most fundamental facets of the whole AGW meme.

                We all know who is brain-washed here.. and its not us.

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                clarence.t

                Says someone who has said that he gets all his “facts” from journalist opinion comments and polls. !

                So funny, Ian. ! 🙂

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                el gordo

                Andy May post at wuwt.

                ‘ … observed changes in cloud RF in the periods: 2018-2019, 2007-2008, 2010-2011, or 2005-2006 are larger than the impact of human-emitted CO2. The impact of CO2 on climate is too small to measure, thus we are arguing and panicking over something that likely doesn’t matter.’

                Ian we have reached a stage where it can be argued that the biggest greenhouse gas (H2O) has a bigger impact than industrial CO2. It has to do with an increase in low cloud cover, do you know the possible cause?

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                el gordo

                ‘Your rather arrogant remark would seem to class you as one of these “elites”.

                The true elites are the high priests of climate science who use models as a bible.

                I am only a lowly heretic who believes the sun, moon and gas giants are the prime drivers of our earthly system.

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        el gordo

        There is a clear trend, global cooling has begun.

        ‘The Climate Impact Company PDO analog forecast suggests the PDO has entered a possible multi-year cool regime last observed in 2010-12, 2007-09 and with the strong La Nina of 1998-00.

        ‘There is a tendency for -PDO regimes to run parallel with La Nina. In each of the previous multi-year -PDO regimes of the past 25 years La Nina was present at varying intensity. Current ENSO forecasts project neutral ENSO into mid-year but La Nina may return later in 2021 and possibly faster if the -PDO pattern continues especially at the current intensity.’ (Climate Impact Company)

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    David Maddison

    One of the problems today is that no one advocates for Free Enterprise.

    Endless government spending, prohibitive taxes, Nanny Statism, government intrusion into people’s lives, unnecessary government regulations, “Crony Capitalism” are implemented without concern or complaint or any understanding about why they are wrong. Even supposed conservatives don’t complain.

    President Trump was the last major world leader that advocated for free enterprise and that didn’t end well for him.

    Milton Friedman’s classic 1980 TV series should be compulsory viewing in what passes for “schools” today.

    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXD32Z5YYifX8J3Kp-WBA9Ongy0p1C1u9

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    Custer Van Cleef

    Another question for Fauci …. and let’s include his tag-team buddy Daszak, because he’s implicated too. (and others – the Pentagon?, Intel agencies? etc.)

    Surely it’s obvious that standing behind the Bat Lady, was the ghostly figure of a CCP General, watching her work and taking notes … figuratively speaking, of course but it illustrates the pervasive nature of the CCP/Military complex.

    So given that wise heads understand that, what grounds did these “experts” have to be confident that Gain Of Function research would “never be harnessed” for EVIL purposes ie. a Bio-weapon?

    What is the difference between studying GoF for a good cause; and studying it, with the hope of designing a mass-killing weapon. How would you distinguish the motive?

    And if Fauci and Daszak and the Pentagon don’t know the answer … why the [bleep] was the Bat Lady allowed to study this stuff at an East Coast American University, and then afterwards, carry on her work in China … and STILL RECEIVE American funding?

    * I call them a tag-team because one of them orchestrated a letter, from “the scientists” saying the lab-leak theory was bogus – the other held up the Journal, waved it around and declared “the scientists say it wasn’t anything to do with me” (or words to that effect).

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      Kevin T Kilty

      No one with a functioning critical sense should have doubted that the Chinese military would be a silent partner in this. A whole raft of persons should be charged and stripped of position. But consider that we still don’t know the full fifty year-old story of the Whitewater Investment Corp and how a First Lady first helped bankrupt Madison Guarantee then through the Rose Law Firm worked to defraud the FDIC then “lost” records to avoid accountability. I do not know of a single government scandal in the past half-century in which the guilty ever suffered any punishment, and the citizenry ever got a full accounting.

      In fact, in a few cases people known to be not guilty spent time in prison for a “process crime”. The self-congratulatory press don’t care an iota, and the citizenry also don’t care as long as they get their snout in the trough for their alotted time.

      Was it always so?

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    David Maddison

    Apparently Windows 11 requires very high specification computers and few recent models will be compatible.

    And I bet they have just bloated it even more and still not fixed any existing bugs.

    Independent video: https://youtu.be/qrH4zEBmztc

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      TdeF

      Yes, but soon all computers will be very high specification computers. I thought Windows would fail because it came on 40 floppy discs at around 40Mbyte and tapes were the only portable media. Then the 600 Megabyte CD came along and it was a single disc solution. Now the CD is dead and the DVD was 6 megabyte and could take a whole video and now the blue ray DVD 50Gigabyte is being replaced by portable hard discs with 5 million megabyte for under $100. Microsoft make it a business to see the future, which is why they are the very best friends of the hardware merchants and it all seems to work in your favour. But you have to buy a new computer which will only come with Windows 11.

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      RicDre

      “Apparently Windows 11 requires very high specification computers and few recent models will be compatible.”

      Oh well, I guess I’ll have to buy a new motherboard and memory for my spare generic PC. At least I can use the old cards, DVD and SSD and tinkering together a new PC will give me something to do on rainy days.

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        Lance

        Install a 2nd hard drive. Then install Linux on the 2nd drive. Then choose Win or Lin on boot.

        Unless you need AutoCad or some Win specific programs, you don’t need Win. Even if you do, just keep the old OS and run those programs on Drive 1.

        I have an air gapped Win 7 machine. Haven’t used it in years, but still keep it to write VisualBasic and Access programs if needed.

        Linux has done well for 13 years. Works for me.

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          RicDre

          “Install a 2nd hard drive. Then install Linux on the 2nd drive. Then choose Win or Lin on boot.”

          I have done that in the past for different versions of Windows and occasionally for LINUX. I can run a GNU/LINUX subsystem on Win10 now but I have so many windows-only applications on my PC so I don’t use it. A lot of people here complain about Win10 but it runs 24/7 on my PC and has been rock solid for me, only requiring a reboot on rare hardware failures or after applying patches. Windows 11 looks interesting in that it is supposed to be able to run Android applications (it will be interesting to see how well that actually works).

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            Lance

            Just curious. What Win Only applications do you have that don’t have an equivalent in Linux?

            Yes, I use a Win Box for Access and Excel, used to use it for AutoCad, but other than that, Linux has pretty much all I need.

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      Hanrahan

      So the excuse that Macs are too expensive no longer applies.

      My Mini cost a grand. I’m using an old monitor, keyboard and mouse.

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        OldOzzie

        As a previous Mac denier and Windows user, with Family Apple majority – other than staying with Android, now Samsung Note 8 refurbished after cracked windscreen Note 3 finally developed some problems after 4 years, because can fit 512Gb mini data card. in addition to Note 8 64Gb Ram, as old Note 3 had 256 Gb Mini Data Card (in theory limited to 64Gb), had bought Wife early 2009 20in iMac and had been impressed.

        Finally broke resolve, and 2019 bought Max Specced 27″ Retina iMac, below iMac Professional and it is tremendous – would not go back to Windows.

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        GD

        the excuse that Macs are too expensive no longer applies.
        My Mini cost a grand

        Unfortunately, the Mac Mini won’t run my music software. I have to use a Macbook Pro, which is quite a bit more pricey. In 2009, I bought a new Macbook Pro, then in 2016, I had to settle for a refurbished update model.

        That machine is running well and is still in the range for all OSX updates. I also use third-party monitors and peripherals.

        In the past, sometimes I’ve bought new. Try 1987, I paid $9,000 for an Apple laser printer. The MacPlus and associated software cost a whole lot more on top.

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    Strop

    Seems that if you’re skeptical of the 2020 US election result, or believe it was dodgy, you are either a bigot or a terrorist.

    https://m.theepochtimes.com/why-the-ruling-class-makes-2020-election-skeptics-potential-domestic-terrorists_3884980.html

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    David Maddison

    Thoughts?

    https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/frontlinenews/urgent-british-report-calls-for-complete-cessation-of-covid-vaccines-in-humans/

    Urgent’ British report calls for complete cessation of COVID vaccines in humans

    Mordechai Sones

    June 11, 2021

    ‘Urgent’ British report calls for complete cessation of COVID vaccines in humans
    STOP VACCINE PASSPORTS

    An “urgent preliminary report of Yellow Card data” issued by the UK-based Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy Ltd submitted to the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) states that “the MHRA now has more than enough evidence on the Yellow Card system to declare the COVID-19 vaccines unsafe for use in humans.”

    Similar to the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), the MHRA describes the purpose of its Yellow Card system as providing “an early warning that the safety of a medicine or a medical device may require further investigation.”

    The report, signed by Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy Ltd and EbMC Squared CiC Director Dr. Tess Lawrie (MBBCh, PhD), says: “we have searched the Yellow Card reports using pathology-specific key words to group the data according to the following five [sic] broad, clinically relevant categories:

    Bleeding, Clotting and Ischaemic ADRs
    Immune System ADRs
    ‘Pain’ ADRs
    Neurological ADRs
    ADRs involving loss of Sight, Hearing, Speech or Smell
    Pregnancy ADRs”

    See link for rest plus link to the actual report.

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      OldOzzie

      There are at least 3 urgent questions that need to be answered by the MHRA:

      1. How many people have died within 28 days of vaccination?
      2. How many people have been hospitalised within 28 days of vaccination?
      3. How many people have been disabled by the vaccination?”

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      Peter C

      Sooner of later I am going to be asked why I have not yet had the vaccine and could be disqualified from working.

      Now I have something I can point to to explain why not.

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      dinn, rob

        7-1-21 Of the 117 people who died with the Delta variant, first identified in India, 50 (43%) had been fully vaccinated. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57610998
      ……………………
      https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/07/from-mojiang-mine-2012-and-3-dead.html
      ………………………
      https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/07/deigin-interview-of-6-21-21.html

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      Kalm Keith

      That report is not surprising given the anecdotal descriptions of painful response to the “vaccination”.

      Two people I bumped into describe feeling intensely cold and unwell after the “Jab”. A whole 24 hours gone from their lives while they endured the frightening experience and loss of control.

      I have never heard of such serious after effects from vaccination previously and this is a worry.

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        MP

        A mate working at a mine in Peru was flown to the US as he required to be inoculated, entry to the US was Neg PCR test only, no quarantine. He got the J&J (idiot), he is due back at the EOM and applied for Quarantine in Aus.
        The Australian Gov informed him they do not except J&J as a vaccination for travel to and from Aus, so he is at square 1 and has to get another poison administered in Aus before he goes back, thing is he only has a month off and cannot get both doses in that time
        Makes you wonder about all the US persons who got this J&J inoculation on the con-cept of the old normal being returned.

        He said the injection made him feel like he had been hit by a truck and put him in bed for two days, what vaccine does that?

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          Kalm Keith

          He’s obviously going to be a healthy bloke, but to get knocked down like that isn’t acceptable and maybe someone with health issues might not survive.

          Sounds dodgy.

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      OldOzzie

      Poll: Nearly One-Third of Americans Think Health Officials Are Lying About Vaccine Safety

      Nearly a third of Americans think health officials are lying about vaccine safety, according to a Rasmussen poll released Friday.

      “Distrust of public health officials is higher among the unvaccinated, particularly those who say they don’t plan to get vaccinated against COVID-19 in the future,” according to the poll report.

      Thirty-two percent of American adults think public health officials are lying about coronavirus vaccine safety, a number which rises to almost two-thirds among those who do not intended to get the coronavirus vaccine.

      Forty-eight percent of Americans do not think health officials are lying and 20 percent are not sure.

      Of those surveyed, 63 percent said they had already gotten a coronavirus vaccination and 32 percent had not. More than half of those who have not been vaccinated do not plan to do so in the future.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    On the efficacy of masks controlling viruses in exhaled breath. Glasses regularly fog-up as a result of masking-up, regardless of how well the mask is fitted. What conclusions can be drawn from this?
    What is certainly efficatious, though, is that wearing a mask keeps you out of trouble with the law.

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      Kalm Keith

      Thanks for putting that link up.

      Helps clarify things and gives some hope of pulling off the CV19 chains.

      I’m not an antivaxer, but after a very unpleasant experience with the flu shot a couple of years ago I decided to wait a bit. That was the same year as the incidents in WA when fluvax showed its fangs.

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        Analitik

        I’m all for vaccines that have been developed and TESTED according to the normal regime of trials with long term followups on side effects and efficacy. Emergency approval vaccines with only months of testing and observations? No thanks – the side effects are real and can no longer be ignored.

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        Hanrahan

        I’m not an anti-vaxxer either but I too have suffered a bad consequence, if you consider having TB bad.

        I had spent a year at an Ag college and we all had weeks assigned to the dairy. Later as part of the TB eradication program they had the Mantoux test where they broke the skin with an irritant. I you came up red you had been exposed and you had an Xray. Clear. A couple of years later I joined the services and would have been clear again. Three years later after getting the booster of jabs you knew nothing about, my health plummeted until one night I coughed up blood. Next morning the MO almost had a fit telling me not to worry, it wasn’t necessarily TB. I was calm, I had already self diagnosed some time before.

        In the months prior. whenever I felt ill my right upper arm sent me a message. Never got woozy working on a bench in the aircon though.

        Funny thing, I had given up smoking and while in confinement awaiting confirmation I took it up again, In a bloody hospital.

        So I’m entitled to be anti-vaxx but I am old enough to have seen the change of so many vaxxes against diseases which took out the young so I now call myself a selective antivaxxer, with only one I feel strongly about.

        Maybe I should come clean: I’m an anti-vaxxer, a racist, a homophobe …………….. Whatever life has taught me.

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      Grogery

      Thanks for that.

      I am sick and tired of this “anti-vaxxer” crap. I have had all the traditional vaccines growing up and have nothing against “normal” vaccines. However, I do have a problem with mRNA jabs which are largely untested and are only allowed for “emergency” use in countries as “small (sarc)” as the USA.

      How was it approved in Australia and by which “scientist”? (we are following the science of-course). When are we going to see the “science” people standing in a press conference explaining the basis of all these decisions they made to “keep us safe”?

      Short version: I am not taking the jab and I couldn’t care less if that means I am black-mailed (by our caring government) into being banned from my freedom (sacrifice of our forefathers acknowledged). I’ll wait and see how the guinea pigs went 2 or 3 years down the track thank you very much.

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    I’m working on a new long term project, showing the Seasonal changes in power consumption, showing the actual power generation from the sources. Long term because I wanted it to be recent, so it starts with the start of Autumn, 01March2021, and will end with the end of Summer, 28February 2022, so it will cover the most recent 12 Months.

    I’ve just about finished the first one, that Autumn one (end date 31May2021) and I’ll have all the data indicator points and images to show the sources for power generation.

    As a teaser here’s the image for the average for the previous year 2020. (shown at this link) Now, all the indicators on this image are as close to the year round average (for all of them) that there is, hence the one day in the year that is all closest to all the averages.

    Now the main thing (now) that I would like to point out is at the time indicator of 6PM, (18:00) and this is the time of the daily peak power consumption for virtually every day of the year. The dotted vertical line then shows the total power consumed at this time, where it crosses that upper black line, (total power versus time, across the page, the Load Curve for the day) and also where it crosses the total for all four renewables.

    The total power for each of those is then indicated at the left, and I have circled both totals.

    So, here, you can see the difference between what is actually REQUIRED, 25,600MW, (shown on the left vertical axis as GW, hence 25.6, and here, notice that this is Dispatchable power) and what is the total from those four renewables, 4,800MW.

    That Upper total is higher in Summer and Winter.

    However, again, notice that difference.

    That’s almost 21,000MW.

    That’s not an occasional thing. It’s the average for every single day of the year.

    Okay, now where do they even BEGIN to think that they are going to get that huge amount of power.

    They’ve been ‘at it’ now for ages and have hardly made the slightest dent on reaching that difference.

    Now think that all of that difference is currently from fossil fuels, that vast bulk of it, coal fired power, averaging (at that same 6PM time) 17,000MW of that difference.

    Those green followers and believers can wish and hope for batteries, whatever, but there’s the task, an insurmountable one if you ask me.

    Until the PUBLIC are told about this one image, then the belief propounded by almost everyone that this can be achieved with renewables will persist.

    This actually is ‘The Impossible Dream’.

    TWENTY ONE THOUSAND MEGAWATTS

    Good luck with that!

    Tony.

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      Lance

      Does the graph represent total power / apparent power, or Active/Real power?

      Is there any way to obtain data for reactive power from the thermal plants? That would be very interesting.

      Great job, Tony!

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        Lance

        Total power as you clearly stated. My mistake. Apologies.

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          Lance,

          there’s no need for you to apologise.

          I learn more from you than anyone commenting here at this site.

          It brings back all that theory I learned back in 1968 to 70.

          It’s funny. At the time, you wonder if any of that really complex stuff you had to learn would ever be used in real World ‘working’ of the trade as an aircraft electrical tradesman, and in nearly every case, none of it really was, or so you might think.

          However, subliminally, it actually does assist in the understanding of the work you do as that tradesman.

          The complex vector diagrams we had to resolve as the Maths part of Electrical technology I used to shake my head at, and wonder. Days on end of bl00dy vector diagram resolution of complex series and parallel circuits, Resistive, Inductive and Capacitive. However later on in life, it gets used, almost automatically, and without you even realising you’re even doing it. You look at a situation and almost instantly think ….. Yep! inverters, motors, inductive load, increases the power factor, there’s a need for compensation, and you work it out ….. without even correlating any of it back to those ….. complex vector diagrams.

          Tony.

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            Lance

            Tony: Is there any way to obtain the power factor or the reactive power for the same readings of total/apparent power you have now?

            If there is a way, it would show the magnitude of reactive power necessary to stabilize the grid voltage for each point. Something has to provide those MVARs.

            If the RE real/true power magnitude is also available, then the thermal generators were unable to supply that because preference was given to the RE. That translates into “lost sales of power” and is an economic factor in allocating financial impacts. One could also re-construct the Total/Apparent power magnitude by adding the Thermal/Hydro Real power to the RE Real power, then knowing the Reactive power, the “original” power factor and apparent power could be calculated. That’s what the grid would have to provide if the RE wasn’t available. The Reactive power has to be there at transmission levels or the interconnectors are meaningless.

            The point I’m getting to is this: Whether or not you have RE, something must provide the Reactive power. Each of the thermal/hydro plants have a maximum Reactive power capability. Whatever combination of synchronous gensets meets the required Reactive power requirement is the minimum amount of thermal/hydro that the present grid requires. That combination of generation cannot be reduced or voltage control is not possible. A necessary thing to know, as that is the “hard limit”. No more RE can be allowed after that limit is reached.

            When tweaking the exciter winding in a reactive power capable alternator, there is a limit for that alternator design as to how much reactive power it can produce and a time limit for producing it. Forcing additional reactive power causes overheating of the alternator windings, so such things have a time limit.

            Just asking.

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      Robber

      What’s in the pipeline?
      Snowy 2 is to deliver 2,000 MW, and Tassie is working on the battery of the nation via more pumped hydro.
      Indications are that the feasibility study includes a 1,500 MW link to Vic.
      But you are right, that’s still a long way from bridging that 21,000 MW gap.

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        Richard Owen No.3

        Robber: Any thoughts?

        https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2021/07/03/infinite-power-promotes-electricity-from-radioisotopes-concept/

        Claims to be able to generate electricity from a sealed module for 100 years?????????
        There is a video (on VIMEO) which doesn’t give much away. Thermovoltaic cells?
        Thermoelectric cells (Seebeck effect) were used on Voyager1 but this talks of UV & Gamma rays?
        The radioactive source seems to be an alpha emitter from the construction of the module.

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          Graeme#4

          Wonder if this process is similar to the power sources used in the latest Mars landers? Perhaps David M. can comment. Early days though as these are still just lab prototypes. Doesn’t look like they generate much energy for their manufacturing cost.

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          Lance

          For solid state PV cells, the maximum theoretical efficiency is 33.16%, the Shockley-Queisser limit. The highest efficiency solar panels on the market today can reach almost 23 percent efficiency. The average efficiency of solar panels falls between the 17 to 19 percent efficiency range. ( about 66% of theoretical maximum)

          I don’t know what material they propose, but if it is based on freeing electrons in an N region to flow into holes in a P region ( PN Junction) then it will face similar limits.

          How does that compare to a nuke reactor thermal efficiency of 33%?

          Just asking.

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        Hanrahan

        Robber, these things merely change the shapes of the curves, not any totals above or below them, less a little for losses. lol

        Any storage system, as far as it makes any difference at all, will improve the operating climate of the coal generators. I tried to explain that to an alarmist once. He refused to concede the point. It was blasphemy.

        Anything that flattens the duck curve while still meeting demand is for the good of the coal fires. [Assuming we are not building NEW hydro.]

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        yarpos

        Not much use Tassie doing anything until they have more capacity to/from the big island. They have already trashed Basslink with current capacity so 500-600MW wont cut it.

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    OldOzzie

    Chinese scientists say they have the key to building a space elevator. A what?

    It may sound like science fiction, but the idea has been around for more than a century

    Chinese scientists have developed a carbon nanotube fibre they say is strong enough to be used to build a space elevator. The Tsinghua University research team patented the technology and published part of their research in the journal Nature Nanotechnology earlier this year.

    They said the fibre would be “in great demand in many high-end fields such as sports equipment, ballistic armour, aeronautics, astronautics and even space elevators”. But is a lift that could travel from the Earth into space actually possible, or is this just the stuff of science fiction?

    A space elevator? Why?

    “Although generations of research have made the rocket the most reliable form of propulsion ever invented … space vehicles are still grossly inefficient,” science fiction author Sir Arthur C Clarke wrote in The Fountains of Paradise in 1979.
    The novel was the first popular account of an idea described by Russian scientist Konstantin Tsiolkovsky in 1895: the space elevator, a planet-to-space transport system just like the lifts we use every day but 300,000 times higher.
    The appeal of a space elevator comes down to potentially finding a much cheaper way to travel to space. It costs more than US$160 million to launch a satellite for a single trip, but it is estimated that a space elevator could reduce that to less than US$2 million per person per trip.

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      PeterS

      Nothing new. A Russian scientist thought of it over 100 years ago. It’s theoretically possible but I don’t believe we have the means to build one for a very long time.

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        Analitik

        Tensile strength of the tether is beyond any material we have available when the weight of the tether itself is taken into consideration. And this assumes that we have the launch capacity to deploy it.

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          TdeF

          The load would have to be in the tons. At least 30km long for low earth orbit.

          The tensile strength of carbon fibre is 10x that of steel and 1/4 of the density but 30km is a very long cable.

          Consider a 1/4″ steel cable can lift 0.6 tons at 0.1kg/metre. So 30km of steel cable would weigh 3 tons.

          Now reduce that by 40 for the additional tensile strength and weight, so 0.1 ton for a 30km carbon fibre cable to lift 0.6tons. 1 ton of such fibre could lift 6 tons, perhaps as 10 different cables twisted like a steel cable.

          As for the launch capacity, Soyuz 11 can lift 5 tonnes.

          The whole thing is fantasy for a very different reason. A geostatic platform in orbit would have to be very far away, 35,000 km. A platform in low earth orbit at 30km would have to be moving very fast at around 30,000km/hr, around the world in an hour. You could not dangle anything from that.

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            Analitik

            You have totally discounted the loading caused by drag from wind all the way up to the stratosphere.

            Also

            perhaps as 10 different cables twisted like a steel cable

            Don’t the additional 9 strands add weight (and drag) of their own?

            Additionally

            A platform in low earth orbit at 30km would have to be moving very fast

            And how can you tether to a moving object? Does the base follow the tether over the surface of the earth?
            A low orbit tethered platform is absolutely impossible unless the platform was itself tethered to a geosynchronous orbit platform

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      David Maddison

      I wonder if their carbon nanotubes are based on their original research or the technology is stolen from the West like most of their other tech?

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    OldOzzie

    Scientists find genetic differences between northern Chinese, Koreans and Japanese

    “The genetic relationship between the Han Chinese and Koreans or Japanese is closer than the relationship between the Han and ethnic minorities in China,” Li said in the paper.

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      Analitik

      Makes sense. The Korean peninsula is connected to the region of China where the Han were ‘indigenous’ and the Japanese are a migratory offshoot of the Koreans.

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        Dave

        I think Genghis Khan may have a few genes left around that area too!!

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          Analitik

          Nope. He was a Mongol.

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            Peter C

            He might have been a Mongol, but he conquered China. How many concubines did he have after that?

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            TdeF

            The Mongol gene pool is very diverse. They were and remain a long way from one people. There are at least 20 types of Mongol are recognized. And the catchment area was enormous, all the way to Lake Baikal. Some were tall and red haired, as Genghis Khan was supposed to be.

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      yarpos

      Pity they didnt work more on the cultural relationship ( at least lower levels of slaughter)

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    OldOzzie

    THE WEEK IN PICTURES: DR. STRANGEJILL EDITION

    This is the week we really learned that Doktor Jill Biden is in fact running the White House as the reincarnation of Edith Wilson. We know this because Vogue magazine, which put her on the cover of the current issue wearing a picnic tablecloth, called her a “goddess in stilettos.” We think they means shoes with the reference to “stilettos,” but better check with Kamala Harris about that, as she’s got a thin knife stuck in her back by someone. Who might that be?

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    David Maddison

    Riccardo Bosi asks if various Australian COVID orders are legal. Thoughts? Video is 15 mins.

    AustraliaOne Party – Riccardo Bosi – Masks, Lockdowns, Mandatory Vaccines

    https://rumble.com/vjd4p7-australiaone-party-riccardo-bosi-masks-lockdowns-mandatory-vaccines.html

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      Tel

      I do not believe any part of the Australian Constitution allows the Commonwealth to indemnify anyone from prosecution. That would effectively remove the common law for redress of a grievance.

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        Chad

        Maybe so, ..but remember, no part of the constitution allows the States to close their borders to Australian citizens either !

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    Hanrahan

    Does anyone know the ins and outs of hybrid tomatoes?

    It seems every tomato you buy is a hybrid to have a small bush, all fruit ripening at the same time, nicely coloured and hard as a cricket ball for obvious reasons. My research says any one fruit can be a hybrid of up to 7 heirloom varieties.

    Trouble is, any self sewn plants revert to a tiny fruit too small to be used in a salad even. How do the growers get seeds if they can’t be gathered from other fruit?

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      SteveS

      Just Generally, different plants are “seed Specific, meaning they will grow an identical plant with identical fruit to the parent. Others are not. Planting a “hass” avocado will not get you a tree with beautiful edible Hass avocados. They are not seed specific. Don’t know specifically about tomatoes, but generally, I belive it is somewhere in the range of 1 in 10,000 “non specific” seeds will grow to a commercially viable Product. Non specific plants are reproduced from already estabished 1 in 10,000 “winners” through cuttings, grafting …yielding identical fruit to the parent tree providing they are pollinated by the same (I think :0)

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      Richard Owen No.3

      They have to buy them from the producer of the hybrid; that’s the whole idea.

      Use heritage type seeds/plants that grow true in the next generation.
      Seeds of Plenty, Eden Seeds, The Lost Seed, Diggers, Greenpatch seeds etc.
      The first actually has ‘heritage’ type purple tomatoes that are of recent breeding. Don’t know what they are like.
      Most heritage types give fruit over an extended season rather than all ripening at one time, although Roma type tomatoes were bred years ago for sauce making so tend to ripen about the same time.

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      beowulf

      By definition hybrids won’t breed true, that’s why they’re hybrids. To breed a new variety — which is what you are after — the hybrid progeny would need to be heavily inbred, culled and selected over many generations to breed true for the desired traits in order to form a new stable breed.

      They can’t readily cross 7 varieties conventionally in a growing season so there must be relatively stable crossbred varieties they are using to hybridise from for the terminal cross. This is what is done in animal breeding for say prime lamb production, but that is only crossing 3 true breeds in 2 crosses to get to the terminal hybrid. The other alternative is that they are using direct genomic hybridisation in the lab to achieve their breeding goals, in which case you have no hope.

      I don’t know enough about dicotyledon (including tomatoes) genetic quirks, but a lot of monocot plants don’t crossbreed in the way that we animals do. Many grasses including the likes of wheat and ryegrass can take the full complement of chromosomes from each parent rather than half, and thus double their chromosome count with each successive cross. You end up with diploid, tetraploid etc. Things get very complicated very quickly.

      In the case of tomatoes they have an immense number of wild species to choose traits from. The genus Solanum is enormous. Many of our desert forbs with names like Wild Tomato and Bush Cherry are Solanaceae.

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      beowulf

      I checked up on polyploidy in the Solanum family of plants and it is quite common, so your hybrid tomatoes — if they have 7 heirloom ancestors — could have quite complex genetics with multiple additions of chromosomes after each crossbreeding event in their ancestry which would go well back beyond the 7 named cultivars.

      How all those extra chromosomes interact with each other would account for the small inedible fruits you have been left with. To get edible fruits again you would have to step back two generations, which is the point at which the commercial growers breed their seeds for you.

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      yarpos

      Quite a mine of information to tap into here?

      Off topic on serious tomato talk, but last night we were watching a comedy series we like. The episode had the characters at an organic winery making “wine” out of all kinds of weird stuff. They were making faces and has a range of sarcastic lines , one of which was “I think this one has notes of tomatoes”

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    Raving

    Look to R>1 Cases are increasing

    https://tinyurl.com/842zuf5u

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      yarpos

      R is not significant if the infection outcomes are trivial

      The chart is a classic of comparing apples and oranges. Australia is featured prominently but based on a tiny number of cases relative to others.

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    another ian

    “Here’s How Kids Are Using Soft Drinks to Fake Positive Results on COVID-19 Tests”

    https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-how-kids-are-using-soft-drinks-to-create-fake-positives-on-covid-19-tests

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    David Maddison

    Domestic solar power question.

    I have a friend who lives in an apartment block.

    As per Victoriastan law, the block has solar panels connected to one inverter.

    Because of only one inverter this means only one account can be credited, not individual owners as I understand it.

    I gather any solar generation would go to the benefit of the common property account such as to run elevators, outside lighting, basement extraction fans etc..

    Because at the time of building three years ago the solar installer never completed the appropriate paperwork, the system is generating power but no feed-in credits are being paid.

    The owner’s corporation has tried to resolve the situation but after dozens of emails and phone calls it seems insoluble so I volunteered to take over the issue.

    The first question is as follows.

    If nothing is done, and the power keeps being produced, presumably it will lower the amount of power drawn from the grid that has to be paid for on the common property account. An email I saw said that even without getting cash credits the system as configured will still lower the common property consumption.

    If something is done so feed in credits are paid to offset the common property account the bill will also be lowered.

    Would it be better to leave the system as is and let the system keep feeding the grid or would it be better to get feed in credits?

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      Hanrahan

      How big is the system? If your building is big enough to have lifts you are unlikely to have any export and @ 8c/kWh is it worth it?

      The installer might have known there would be no export, that might explain not doing the paperwork.

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        Richard Owen No.3

        David Maddison:
        I don’t know what the situation is in Victoria but in SA a change in the system means a new set of paperwork. If this is the same in Vic., would it be worthwhile to install a few more panels?

        Hanrahan
        I thought that Victoria has just reduced the FIT to 5¢ per kWh. Not likely to get much reduction from that.

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          Graeme#4

          Even at 5c, it may be worthwhile. In Perth I obtained export credits of $357 over 12 months @ 7c. for a 5.5kW system. Converting this to 5c gives $255 annually.

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        yarpos

        yep, they are also offsetting daily usage costs at whatever the SA retail level is. Sounds like a self inflicted storm in a teacup over a few cents of whatever is left to feed in.

        we did the same but by design, never applied for feed in.

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      Peter C

      If nothing is done, and the power keeps being produced, presumably it will lower the amount of power drawn from the grid that has to be paid for on the common property account. An email I saw said that even without getting cash credits the system as configured will still lower the common property consumption.

      I suppose it depends on the specific connections to the grid.
      Does the power produced get subtracted from the power used, either in total or minute to minute?

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    OldOzzie

    MUST SEE… COMPARE AND CONTRAST: Which Candidate Won the 2020 Election? – Independence Day Edition

    One of these candidates received over 75 million votes in the 2020 election.
    They tell us the other one had 81 million votes!

    On Saturday Joe Biden traveled to Antrim County Michigan. About 30 people turned out to see him.

    President Trump traveled to Sarasota, Florida. – Over 45,000 came out to see him in a rainstorm and another 375,000 watched his live speech on RSBN Rumble.

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “Why do I get the feeling they’re getting desperate?

    We’ve heard a great deal about the new “Delta variant” of COVID-19, which is being hyped around the world as a major threat. It’s said to infect even people who’ve been vaccinated, and has even led some areas to reimpose mandatory masking and other precautions.

    Trouble is, the symptoms of the Delta variant are indistinguishable from plain, ordinary, seasonal hay fever. The fact that the Delta variant was identified precisely during hay fever season in the northern hemisphere makes me suspicious, to put it mildly. Is it possible that the powers that be, desperate to hold onto their illegitimate emergency powers seized willy-nilly during the first COVID-19 outbreak, have invented the whole Delta variant schemozzle? If not, is it at least possible that the Delta variant is a less harmful variant than earlier ones, and is being hyped up as a political excuse? One writer went so far as to describe it as “panic porn dressed up as science”. ”

    More at

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2021/07/why-do-i-get-feeling-theyre-getting.html

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    Tel

    I think it’s quite normal for virus symptoms to get milder … people with hardly any symptoms are more likely to go out and do things, therefore spread it.

    That’s a good thing, you want those mild variants spreading around as much as possible to provide immunity, real immunity in as many people as possible.

    You also want a good supply of fallback treatments in case anyone gets really sick … remember the old days when doctors offered treatment to sick people?

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      Hanrahan

      Maybe asymptomatic people should be allowed to go about their business, just avoiding indoor crowds. Assuming their viral load is low anyone they infect will be with a low V load so they too will sail through the infection but still develop antibodies.

      “They” have down-played acquired immunity but the truth is it works and works well.

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    Hanrahan

    The bad of F1: Last weekend I said I didn’t see “We race as one”. I just missed it, it is still there.

    The good: They played the national anthem with wild electric guitars and drums, no sombre dirge.

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      Hanrahan

      We are silencing smart people so dumb people won’t be offended.

      WOW! That short sentence sums up the last couple of decades, and there is no reason to expect change. Statistically 50% are below average but they vote and without demanding careers they involve themselves in politics, from the local sports club, through school boards and the sky’s the limit.

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      John R Smith

      Peter S
      Excellent thanks.
      “scariants”
      18 months for the sane to break through the propaganda.
      Sad.
      The polite can blame incompetence if that makes them feel better.

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    Simon

    Australian wholesale electricity prices fell below zero a record 3662 times last year as solar power generation surged, threatening the profitability of coal power plants. (see page 9) This situation also drove fast-tracked new rules to prevent wind and solar generators deciding to switch off to curb losses.
    https://www.aer.gov.au/system/files/State%20of%20the%20energy%20market%202021%20-%20Full%20report.pdf

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      Richard Owen No.3

      And from Page 9 a little snippet.
      “To maintain the security of the power system, AEMO can instruct network operators in South Australia to back off rooftop solar generation, forcing them to draw power from the grid. These powers, which were used for the first time in March 2021, are being considered for other NEM regions due to the continued rapid uptake of rooftop solar PV.

      Looks like roof top solar won’t save you as much as you think.

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      R.B.

      Prices exceeded $5,000/MWh in South Australia across 7 trading intervals (30 minute periods)

      While the average comes out to a very high but still much lower $53 for SA, it highlights the problems with renewables – you don’t get it when you want it.

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      MP

      Australian wholesale electricity prices fell below zero a record 3662 times last year

      Wow a hundred times a day, (this makes sense to you does it) yet my bill goes up.

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      yarpos

      and what do people actually pay Simon? especially in SA

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    Dave in the States

    Today, on this 4th of July, there is different feeling than previous 4ths. Baseball arenas are not full. This is first since the take over of the government by a band of criminals. There is a feeling of sadness. A feeling of waning freedom. And a smoldering anger.

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      Lance

      Yes, and it has only taken 6 months to implement that change, although the seeds were planted in 2008-2016. The mid term elections and the 2024 election are just about the only way to peacefully change the picture. If the insanity isn’t dialed down, what happens next won’t be controllable.

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        David Maddison

        Lance, it is frightening how quickly the US has degenerated and it is well on the way to being a morally and fiscally bankrupt Marxist, racist dictatorship and losing its status as a world power.

        But the seeds were planted in the 1960’s with the deliberate Marxist infiltration of all societal institutions via Rudi Dutschke’s “long march through the institutions”. Sadly it worked because conservatives stood by and allowed it to happen.

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      David Maddison

      General Trump needs to return to lead a Second American Revolution.

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        David Maddison

        We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

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        yarpos

        I think he has access to Generals with actual work experience in all that military stuff.

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      David Maddison

      Dave in the States, did Imposter Biden and his handlers engage in any form of July 4th celebration?

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    David Maddison

    Recent interview with Dr “Zev” Zelenko on Covid vaccine and his concerns about it.

    Feel free to comment if you disagree with what he says.

    Information not in accord with the standard Big Pharma/Leftist narrative is not allowed to be discussed on social(ist) media.

    Thanks for allowing it here, Jo.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/XkXhI5vfGAEL/

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    Kalm Keith

    Ted’s comment about Oxbridge above reminded me of a radio interview I heard while driving yesterday.

    The female interviewer was being given a rundown on the subtle differences between misogyny and the other female domination system, sexism?, all very victimy and nuanced as would be expected from a visiting female professor of woke women’s business.

    That we are funding this stuff from our work and taxes is bad enough but then we have to pay to present and broadcast it.

    People whose businesses, families and lives have been crushed over the last few years by high electricity prices and lockdown must hear this junk and think that the world has gone mad.

    Where’s the ABCCCCs consideration for the workers.

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    MP

    In the UK you are paid 500 UK dollars for a positive Rona test, to isolate for two weeks. (From Jan 2021)
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/everyone-who-tests-positive-for-covid-could-be-given-ps500-b900706.html
    Great way for the kiddies to earn some real pocket money, things go better with Coke!

    They mail out tests to residents, 600 million have gone missing. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nhs-test-and-trace-lost-covid-tests_uk_60d48f44e4b0c101fc857eeb

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    TdeF

    Is someone driving this? In America, England, Australia, the Black Lives Matter movement. Now in peaceful Canada a movement for native Indians for events in the distant past. In ultra peaceful homogenous New Zealand, the rapid conversion to a dual society of Maoris and other, even renaming the country. They are even inventing a Maori language spoken by no one because the original language of 700 words is totally inadequate in a modern world. Australia too wants a separate parliament to give stone age nomads political power and change the Constitution to be racist. As in America, Canada, Britain, Australia is multi cultural and non racist. Racism is being invented. And what have the British done for us? A bit Monty Python if it was not so serious.

    You would think someone is planning, organizing and creating racial discord in otherwise peaceful countries, seizing on past injustices and revolving around an attack on whiteness. If that was really the case, what about the Irish and the Scots grievances, or the Hugenots or the Dutch? Or the people of Korea against the Japanese, or the muslims of Western Thailand? China is dealing with their Muslim Uigurs right now.

    Let’s stoke racism in every Democratic country in the name of fairness, to right past wrongs, to demand cash for compensation and to split democracies down the middle. It’s all the fault of Whitey. Slavery did not exist until America. Apparently.

    Racism is being stoked, in the name of anti racism. Fascism is being promoted, in the name of anti Fascism. And there were few countries more racist than Germany under the National Socialists. Herr Hitler was contemptuous of America as an opponent because he believed they were fatally crippled by not being racists and having a very mixed society. And of course the Untermenshen of the Slavic subhumans. What no one mentions is that Polish Catholics outnumber Jews in Auschwitz and the disabled and homosexuals and black people were executed in their hundreds of thousands too.

    Every day we read of a new wrong to be righted. Aborigines in Australia, Maoris. And when will the Mongols pay compensation for the murder of 1/3 of the population of Europe?

    My point is that these ’causes’ are so coordinated, it makes Climate Change/Global Warming seem trivial. Race is the new black. And the apology cash is rolling in, even in NZ and Canada. It’s hugely profitable for some. You can only think this is a coordinated attempt to undermine Western democracies using race, just like Global Warming/Climate Extinction used fake science. And part of that is to destroy their borders rapidly, an activity which the UN and EU totally approve. Neither want borders.

    So tens of thousands of highly paid unelected officials are plotting the end of countries and the creation of a gigantic World Government in which they are rulers. After all, what else are they doing? Stopping a pandemic? Saving the world from Warming?

    China, Russia and their allies in the EU/UN are throwing everything at racism and ending borders. Helped by Joe Biden, Angela Merkel, Macron and the IT trillionaires. The new world order. It’s all too obvious. And burning down churches, now in Canada, is just the standard stuff of communist activity.

    This is no conspiracy. It is just an observation. Three European Governments (Common Market, Common , Economic Community, European Union) there are tens of thousands of people of unelected nonentities who run Europe, a trans national government. And the UN sees itself as the same, even if no one is elected and they directly control perhaps 100,000 people.

    There are just too many powerful people who want to destroy successful societies so they can rule. And race is obviously now the way to do it.

    Perhaps partly because Global Warming didn’t happen in 33 years. And those millions of ‘Climate Refugees’ and ‘Climate Wars’ and those poor polar bears and caribou and black throated finches. It’s continuing, but will fizzle as the planet rapidly cools. So it’s on with the race wars. Especially in explicitly non racist Western Democracies. A bit of money goes a long way with agitators and one of the founders of BLM has just bought her fourth house and put a high wall around where she lives. To criticize is racist.

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        Kalm Keith

        Interesting, and the scytl bit.

        The next stage is not going to be pleasant.

        Remember Watt Tyler.

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      David Maddison

      TdeF there were plenty of Poles killed by both Nazis and Soviets but by far the largest number of people murdered in Auschwitz were Jews. “Dissident” Polish Catholics and others may have been present in Auschwitz but they weren’t murdered at the same rate.

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        TdeF

        Not what I have read, but other people could be wrong. This all came up when Catholics were stopped from building a chapel for the murdered Catholics because Auschwitz was a Jewish only shirine. I have read 2 million Catholics. And “even those professing to be neutral, cite numbers as high as 2.5 million Jews and 2 million Polish Catholics killed at Auschwitz” As I also wrote, there were vast numbers of disabled people and especially gypsies, romany and black people. Plus all those murdered simply for being bad socialists who questioned the authority of the state.

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        MP

        17 Million people were killed in concentration camps during world war 2 of which 6 million were Jewish, 11 million others, some Polish but who was the majority?

        Over 1 million Jews where killed in Auschwitz and cremated. 550 a day, every day/night for 5 years non stop and cremated in Auschwitz, plus the others?

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          MP

          Those numbers came from the Auschwitz web site and a Jewish holocaust web site. I did not make them up, just some perspective.

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      Len

      Geoff McDonald in his book “Red over Black – Behind the Aboriginal Land Rights” explains the World Communist movement to establish an independent Black communist republic in Australia. Lenin directed Joseph Stalin to write “On the National Question”. When a delegation of Australian Communists went to Moscow prior to the Second World War, they were asked what they were doing about the establishment of the independent black communist republic. In the 1950s the Australian Communist Party started to ask for volunteers to work in the Aboriginal Communities. The Land Rights movement was a communist project to implement divisions in the country. Now the Woke etc are continuing the plan.Once the independent republic is established they can invite foreign troops into the country.

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      Maptram

      “Every day we read of a new wrong to be righted.”

      Not every day but from time to time we read or hear of how much worse the health of aboriginals is compared to the rest, ie whites. It’s the wrong comparison, what should be compared is the health of aboriginals now compared with their health prior to the arrival of non aboriginal settlers.

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        yarpos

        yes of course, I am sure they have those records and stats readily to hand.

        I would be interested in how much of the adverse health outcomes are self inflicted, bit like incarceration levels really

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      Kalm Keith

      An important outline that must be acknowledged.

      Thirty years ago parts of Europe were being infiltrated and now it’s almost dust.

      Last year saw the USA lose it’s way completely and fall in a heap.

      Today there’s been a suggestion, here on the blog, that New Zealand used the same electoral tally system that O’Biden was blessed with.

      We are on the brink of something Horrific, and I feel apprehensive.

      If there’s a way out of this it doesn’t seem evident at the moment.

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    David Maddison

    The hazards of signing up to the Chicomm “Belt and Road Initiative as Daniel Andrews of Victoriastan did (hopefully stopped by the Feds) and NZ have done.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9753455/Road-Montenegro-1-billion-pocket-China-botched-270-mile-highway.html

    China could SEIZE land from tiny Montenegro for failing to repay $1 billion ‘Belt and Road’ loan for 270-mile road to nowhere – of which only a handful of miles was ever built

    See link for rest.

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      tom0mason

      China is doing to poorer countries just as the World Bank and the IMF has been doing for decades.
      “Exchanging what you got for nothing you want.”

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    another ian

    Some history on the hurricane lamp

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tURHTuKHBZs&list=RDCMUCy0tKL1T7wFoYcxCe0xjN6Q&start_radio=1&rv=tURHTuKHBZs&t=37

    And note that the third world puts about as much kero through them as the US does jet fuel.

    No doubt “fossil fuel free” will be a hit.

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    David Maddison

    I have friends, a married couple, who just returned to Australia from the UK and have had to pay A$12,000 for two weeks in compulsory hotel quarantine.

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      TdeF

      I have read that Daniel Andrews paid a Chinese hotel owner $30Million for Covid Accomodation which was never used. Money is flowing like a river, especially with accomodation. That is likely why purpose built isolated accomodation was never used. Nor the free Army. There is just too much money in a pandemic. And do not think that just because Andrews and friends gave themselves two pay rises last year alone that they are happy. Communism pays poorly. It’s all about getting kickbacks, pay to play.

      Really, what medical officer recommended quarantine 500 metres from Parliament in the middle of a city of 5 million people?

      And Andrews directly appointed Judge Coates decided amazingly that no one made the decisions. And no one remembers a thing. Even the police commissioner lied until they bracketed his phone calls with smss. Then he remembered that he had forgotten.

      They know when the major decision was made about private contractors, between midnight on a Saturday night and 6am, but no one knows who made it. You would have to be kidding. 820 people died. And in Victoria, that is mandatory manslaughter charges for the employer, one Daniel Andrews. But Fair Work Australia will never charge him. They are on the same side.

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    RicDre

    New Zealand Lawyers Sue Government Over Alleged Carbon Budget Miscalculation

    Guest essay by Eric Worrall

    When virtue signalling goes bad; Back in March, WUWT published an academic allegation that the New Zealand government is trying to cheat on their own carbon budget. Now the lawyers have moved in for the kill.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/07/04/new-zealand-lawyers-sue-government-over-alleged-carbon-budget-miscalculation/

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    David Maddison

    This is BIZARRE, and straight from the Leftist’s instruction manual, Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty Four.

    The Dems are now claiming it was the Republicans calling to defund the police, the exact opposite of the truth.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/dan-bongino-slams-democrats-for-claiming-republicans-defunded-the-police

    DAN BONGINO: Did you catch the Democrats’ latest scam? They faceplanted brutally on this defunding the police garbage. So now they’re trying to flip the script and say the Republicans are trying to defund the police. There are levels of insanity, and if there’s a 1-10 scale, this is a 10. And they’re going it all while doing absolutely nothing to stop the nationwide crime wave in the liberal cities that they’re causing. Crime up, what are they doing? Trying to blame it on Republicans. This is insane.

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    el gordo

    Humans found responsible for exacerbating wildfires.

    https://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Forest-Fires-USA.png

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    David Maddison

    A disturbing video. How much longer will the American people tolerate a President with dementia? He even pulls out his notes at one point to check what his handlers expect him to say.

    https://youtu.be/RcHEoSZF728

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      Serp

      At the very end of the clip “They gave me a list” he says implying that he is being instructed by a group but nobody pipes up with “Who Joe?”, who is it giving orders to the commander in chief indeed?

      And we’ve Harris and Pelosi for acts two and three.

      How quickly farce has descended upon us, not even six months.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Woolies has just lost a faithful, long term shopper as a result of their implementation of QR-code sign-in. In reality, this amounts to a de facto permission to shop. Woolies staff have now become deputised government agents. Coles has my custom now, along with many other defectors, I suspect. The excuse of contact tracing is bull. My geographic position is already recorded multiple times on CCTV, and via credit card transactions. The government can get off its derriere and check my whereabouts via that data instead of me making it easy for them via QR bundy-in.

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      yarpos

      bit melodramtic isnt it? we wander into woolies then aldi, nobody checks or cares much of we QR or not

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        beowulf

        Not any more Yarpos.

        Yesterday (5th) I went to Woolies, Rutherford, regional NSW, nearly 200km from Sydney CBD. A girl was manning the entrance with a tablet and everyone had to show their phones to her to prove they had signed in. My phone doesn’t do QR so I had to sign in manually.

        She took my phone number on her tablet, I was sent a code, I had to read that code back to her to enter into her tablet. We waited while her tablet digested the code . . . and bingo, I was allowed in to go shopping. Took a minute and a half to get in the door. It depends how slow their text message is getting through to your phone.

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    yarpos

    South Australia, the RE Giant and green energy thought leader , currently operating on 93% gas and a small import from VIC. I wonder how soon it will be before they start blowing up gas plants? surely if you blow up a working coal plant , gas cant be far behind.

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      Hanrahan

      Meanwhile Qld is feeding NSW with over a gig power.

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        yarpos

        business as usual for a long while now

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        clarence.t

        SE Qld power plants are much closer to the northern NSW coast growth area than the power stations in the Hunter Valley are.

        Same with Victorian power stations and the Wagga/Albury area

        Still… an extra couple of big coal powered stations in NSW wouldn’t be a bad idea at all !

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        Chad

        Hanrahan
        July 5, 2021 at 4:40 pm ·
        Meanwhile Qld is feeding NSW with over a gig power.

        I think you will find that is a simple economic choice by AEMO.
        IE:- it is cheaper oveall to keep the more efficient modern QLD coal generators fully loaded, and turn down the less efficient and more costly NSW coal and gas plants.
        Regeonal /State borders are not a deciding factor in a National Grid management scheme.

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    Ronin

    I see Gorton, Hawke, Abbott and Turnbull were educated at Oxford.

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      el gordo

      They sort of felt entitled. Premier Xi wasn’t so lucky, he went through the school of hard knocks.

      ‘In one of more pointed sentences in an hour-long speech, he said: “The Chinese people are not only good at destroying an old world, but also good at building a new world.” (SCMP)

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        another ian

        Doesn’t seem to be what

        “A Consice History of China” by Jian Bozan, Shao Xunzheng and Hu Hua (Foreign Languages Press Beijing 1981)

        would lead you to believe

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          another ian

          Oops – my spelling mistake

          “Concise”

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          el gordo

          His father was with Mao from the start and Xi is a princeling.

          ‘In 1966, Mao launched the Cultural Revolution, a sociopolitical movement intended to preserve “true” Communist ideology and purge remnants of capitalist society. All formal education was halted, and Xi, at that time in high school, was sent down to work in a remote farming village for seven years, doing manual chores and subsisting on rice gruel.

          ‘It was there that Xi grew up both physically and mentally. Considered a weakling when he first arrived, he grew strong and compassionate and developed good relations working alongside the villagers. Though the Cultural Revolution was a failure, Xi emerged with a sense of idealism and pragmatism.’ (Biography.com)

          He later entered university and did chemical engineering.

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        yarpos

        what they are really good at over time is missing opportunities and shooting themselves in the foot

        at present they are busily alienating the world, but I am sure this time will be different

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    another ian

    “David Bidstrup guest post. This Covid scare is ridiculous”

    https://catallaxyfiles.com/2021/07/05/david-bidstrup-guest-post-this-covid-scare-is-ridiculous/

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      yarpos

      should we be excited?

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        el gordo

        Sunday was Perth’s wettest day in a couple of decades and judging by the attack of low pressure later this week, its moderately exciting.

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        el gordo

        ‘The decline in rainfall over the south-west is consistent with increasing greenhouse gas concentrations and cannot be explained solely by natural climate variability or changed land use, such as land clearing.’ (WA Dept of Ag)

        They are wrong, of course, natural variability rules. Global warming has come to an end in SWWA.

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    Raving

    Really wish the Greens weren’t so single mindedly fixated on net-zero with near sigheted eco-friendliness

    Abundant sunshine and rooftop PV makes for an attractive oportunity to introduce some EVs. It allows for flexibity in soaking up excess electricity during the daytime and off peak.

    Not good to force everyone to jump in ASAP 100%. That will make things horrible

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      another ian

      From an email

      “Just another stone in the road to you know where, quarried from the pit of good intentions, and held tight with the mortar of unintended, intended consequences

      Author unknown”

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      Ronin

      Let the inner city leftard greens buy a few and set the used ev market going.

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