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Be gone all you gas cookers and heaters in Victoria! We need colder weather. Seriously?

Evil weather-destroying equipment will be banished:

Photo KWON JUNHO

Photo Kwon Junho

Victorians building new homes will be denied the choice to pick their preferred heating  and cooking appliances in the hope that this will stop storms and droughts for their great grandchildren.

As household prices rise, the money that could have been used for holidays, health, or education will be used to enrich a few corporations and make a small percentage of the population feel important and calmer.

If only the low carbon revolution was clean, green and cheap, no one would have to ban anything.

Suffer the children:

Push to turn off gas to help reach state’s climate goal

Tom Cowie and Nick O’Malley, The Age

Gas appliances including heaters, hot water services and cooktops would be phased out under a proposed moratorium on new gas connections to Victorian households to help the state achieve its 2030 target to cut carbon emissions by up to 50 per cent.

Victorians are the nation’s biggest users of natural gas for heating, hot water and cooking due to the state’s historically cheap and plentiful supply piped in from Bass Strait since the 1970s.

But the state may need to cut back on gas if it is to meet its climate goal, announced on Sunday, to reduce greenhouse pollution by 28 to 33 per cent of 2005 levels by 2025, and 45 to 50 per cent by 2030.

“I love cooking on gas too, but there are certain luxuries that we are going to have to abandon if we are serious about climate change,” City of Yarra mayor Gabrielle de Vietri said.

h/t Eric Worrall, WUWT, via RicDre

Even though unreliable energy will “theoretically” fill that void (and raise those prices), what are the odds Victoria will just have to build new gas plants to make electricity? Instead of piping gas to homes and burning it there, gas will be burned at distant plants and converted to electricity, which will be transported miles.

First they came for Coal, and the Gas industry didn’t protest…

The Gas Industry was happy to see their competitor coal hit by unscientific weather-blame. They thought they could profit and the mob would be kind to them. But the wave of pagan angst rolls on. Now the gas industry bleats that they are too necessary to cancel. This was all so predictable as the tribal chiefs pick off one group after another.

Scientists and CEO’s in the gas industry could have spoken up to defend coal, science, and our electricity grid. Though it’s fair to ask, did any of the Coal Industry do that?

Photo by KWON JUNHO on Unsplash

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206 comments to Be gone all you gas cookers and heaters in Victoria! We need colder weather. Seriously?

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    Brian the Engineer

    Laugh chuckle roll about…..surely this is parody right…fake news maybe?

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      Now is the time…
      Introducing a nuclear stove.
      Let’s recycle our nuclear waste.
      It comes in a lead lined container for your convenience.
      Comes in a range of colors in grey.

      We’ve bypassed the health and safety laws for your convenience.
      Sponsored by Bill and Melinda Gates…Ops, Bill Gates foundation.

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      robert rosicka

      Brian it’s happening in England and I think some places in the USA so it was bound to happen here .

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      OriginalSteve

      No, sadly.

      The Satanic pagan religion the globalists and politician bootlickers belong to are deadly serious about it.

      Also, they will soon push for zero meat/compulsory vegetarianism.

      Have no doubt they consider humans a parasite on thier mythical goddess “Gaia” aka the earth.

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      Yonniestone.

      I thought so too especially the connection to Weather Cooking which sadly is exactly what we’re seeing here through Green wrongology again.

      The last thing a progressive stands for is progress.

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    Tim

    Jo and your team, you are national treasures. Thanks for the work you do to inform us all

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    tonyb

    Jo

    You are missing the point. As Greta tells us. ‘The planet is on fire’ therefore you won’t need any gas heating will you?

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      sophocles

      The planet is on fire’ therefore you won’t need any gas heating will you?

      I’m afraid Greta may just be shocked/surprised when it all goes cold on her.

      Davidson thinks the geomagnetic excursion will descend upon us sometime between 2030-2050.

      Interesting: that’s also the timetable for all the GlobaL warming. The cooling has already begun but not many are aware of it.

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        Simon B

        True, but the renewables investors changed the scare from global warming to climate change to account for that cooling and keep the brainwashed buying their products. That’s been ramped up by the recent marketing call to action ‘climate emergency’ to ensure they don’t tank their stock. If we aren’t actually going to take meaningful action to bring sanity back to this country, it might be a good time to buy stock in heating and cooking appliances as those enlightened oracles encourage thousands to dump gas appliances in landfill to ‘save the planet and end wastage’!

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    StephenP

    Let it come.
    The sooner the better.
    Then they may see sense.

    The only problem will be any cooling will be credited to their actions.

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      There will definitely be future cooling no matter what happens with CO2 emissions as the Sun that powers our climate and the gravity that controls our orbit and axis are far too powerful for mortal humans to control. Praying to the Sun God never worked for our ancestors and venerating ‘science’ that defies the laws of physics is no better.

      Just like the natural warming coming out of the LIA coinciding with the Industrial Revolution, natural cooling as we enter the next mini ice age will coincide with human ignorance thinking that destroying the developed world’s economies is what made the difference, until it starts to warm up again …

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      hypersonic

      No it wont because CO2 levels will still continue to rise no matter what they do

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        OriginalSteve

        We arent dealing with logical people, but rather religious fanatics, it appears.

        The old saying “you cant reason with a madman” …..

        The globalists appear to adhere to this Satanic pagan “earth-first” religion ( characterized by how they deal appallingly brutally with people – covid lockdowns anyone ? ).

        The most clear display of the Satanic mindset – is the CCP – and how it deals with the world, the West is infiltrated with these people as well, but they hide behind “global warming” to work out what appears to be equal brutality.

        https://blog.heartland.org/2021/02/worlds-deadliest-virus-isnt-covid-its-communism/

        “Communism in America

        “As referenced by D. Wells in his 2/22/21 article, The Deadliest Virus in the World is COMMUNISM :
        “We are being trained, corralled and ostracized like huge herds of cattle or sheep. The masks, social distancing, and virtual “distance learning” keeps us isolated and stripped from thinking as a group. No more planning for the peons. No critical thinking. We’ll all be too weak, poor and isolated from each other to rebel.”

        “…..upheaval convinces the masses to accept martial law for protection, and that is the end of our Republic. All of social media, television news, and every newspaper is in on it — sold out to Communism, the new highest bidder.”

        It is what it is.

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        OldOzzie

        China’s Greenhouse Gas Emissions Exceeded the Developed World for the First Time in 2019

        Global greenhouse gas emissions estimates for 2019

        Based on our newly updated preliminary estimates for 2019, global emissions—including emissions of all six Kyoto gases, inclusive of land-use and forests and international bunkers—reached 52 gigatons of CO2-equivalent in 2019, a 11.4% increase over the past decade. China alone contributed over 27% of total global emissions, far exceeding the US—the second highest emitter—which contributed 11% of the global total (Figure 1). For the first time, India edged out the EU-27 for third place, coming in at 6.6% of global emissions.

        China’s emissions exceeded emissions from developed countries

        In 2019, China’s GHG emissions passed the 14 gigaton threshold for the first time, reaching 14,093 million metric tons of CO2 equivalent (MMt CO2e) (Figure 2). This represents a more than tripling of 1990 levels, and a 25% increase over the past decade. As a result, China’s share of the 2019 global emissions total of 52 gigatons rose to 27%.[1]

        In 2019, China’s emissions not only eclipsed that of the US—the world’s second-largest emitter at 11% of the global total—but also, for the first time, surpassed the emissions of all developed countries combined (Figure 2). When added together, GHG emissions from all members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), as well as all 27 EU member states, reached 14,057 MMt CO2e in 2019, about 36 MMt CO2e short of China’s total.

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    Mal

    The world’s greatest scientific scam/fraud continues
    Australia produces a total of one molecule of co2 in ten million parts of the atmosphere
    We have essentially zero impact on temperatures or climate
    Where is the cost benefit analysis of these draconian measures?
    We are committing economic suicide for no environmental benefit
    Stupid, stupid, stupid
    Or possibly in the worst case, treasonous?

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      PeterS

      And where are the protests in the streets? Oh of course, most people are still asleep. Worse still they keep voting for the same politicians telling fibs about how important it is to reduce our emissions over and over ignoring the fact they are voting for the destruction of our nation. So who is treasonous? The politicians or the voters? In our form of democracy it would have to be both. Time for the voting public to wake up and take stock as to what is happening, or else don’t whine when things go pear shaped; they have mostly themselves to blame.

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        Lawrie

        The real problem Peter is that while we expect the ALP/Green blob to promote economy killing regimes to aid their friends in the CCP we also expect the conservative parties to put forward the facts and a counter argument. Alas they too are completely useless either believing the rubbish or afraid that the ABC and the Age will bludgeon them.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          Lawrie, how can the coalition policies be so different at the state and federal levels as we see here in NSW?

          While the state government seems not to have noticed that Malcolm Turnbull is no longer Prime Minister, (Who needs The Greens when we’ve got Gladys?) we are at last seeing signs of sense at the federal level.

          International criticism of Australia’s “lack of action” tells us that our government is on the right track, with ammunition to spare so long as they hold their nerve.

          The increasing turmoil that we are seeing in world politics creates opportunities good and bad. Encourage our leaders to grab the good and leapfrog the bad.

          I even thought I saw a partial abatement of TDS at the ABC, though the ABC is beyond redemption. Perhaps they are beginning to see that in the end Trump will win that fight. He has the resources, he has the expertise, and he has the motive.

          I might have been a bit hard on Gladys there. The problem was well established before she came premier. But the cap is now hers, she must wear the blame.

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          PeterS

          Indeed. In fact the lesser of two evils is still evil, so to speak.

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            OriginalSteve

            People will only learn when it truly bites….

            Its not Left vs Right, that is a manufactured “fight” to mislead people so they dont realize the real fight is humanity vs the Satanic globalists.

            By way of background, Satan hates humans because they are made in Gods image, so….

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      Single Malt

      I wonder how many idiot politicians, or the equally idiotic people that vote for them, have been confronted with this analogy. Take the water out of an Olympic swimming pool and fill it to the brim with white ping-pong balls. Then add three red ping-pong balls. The red ping-pong balls represent Australia’s contribution to atmospheric CO2. We can all look forward to cooling temperatures across the entire globe, flourishing reefs and an end to animal extinctions with the removal of those hypothetical balls. Where have all the great investigative journalists gone! Gagged or unable to find work in the woke news establishments is my guess. This farce is begging for an expose but the rest of the media, the politicians, and the chattering classes will quickly label such a whistle-blower as a ‘crack-pot conspiracy theorist’ then move on.

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        Single Malt
        On Linked In I regularly comment on articles promoting renewables etc. I have noticed that we have unhinged idiots who attack me and those who dare to question the narrative here.

        Most are aggressive and some are outright deranged, posting a rolling “shout out” of comments, and even pursuing me onto other articles unrelated to climate.

        I see none of this from those like me who post questioning. Its getting out of hand as they simply cannot bother to read the links we send or the comments made, as their responses are facile or repetitive. One idiot continues to crow that there are zero peer reviewed papers supporting the “denial” view, yet I have on several occasions sent this cretin links to said papers.

        Maybe others see these turkeys for what they are, but their aggressive nature obviously scares off many who may want to comment. Obviously that is the aim but its meaning that there is limited ability to properly put forward the anti climate change case. And since people post under their own name this reduces even further those prepared to stick their neck out..

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    John R Smith

    I think I’ve figured it out.
    Emissions from Chyna don’t count.
    So all our food can be cooked in Chyna and delivered by Amazon.
    Via robot electric car.
    Viola, Net Zero.
    (Can zero have a net?)

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    robert rosicka

    Time to move from Victoriastan then , but to where ?

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      Sceptical Sam

      We’re trying to keep it a secret, Robert, so I can’t tell you.

      However, here’s the hint:

      1. it’s not connected to the Eastern States’ electricity grid; and,

      2. it’s got more gas than you can poke a stick at, and pipelines to bring it to you.

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      el gordo

      There is nowhere to hide.

      ‘Australia’s retail energy markets have a multitude of private players but the big three are AGL Energy, Origin Energy and EnergyAustralia, which dominate southern and eastern Australia.

      ‘The trio jointly supply more than 70 per cent of small electricity customers and more than 80 per cent of small gas customers, as of June 30, 2015.

      ‘EnergyAustralia is owned by Hong Kong-based China Light and Power.’ (ABC)

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        Ted O'Brien.

        While you are at it, e.g. who owns the iron ore being mined and exported from WA? Why has that trade not been affected like coal?

        Could the real story be that COVID has so far disrupted Chinese industry that they don’t need/can’t handle that coal yet?

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          el gordo

          Reading between the lines they might be building a stockpile of iron ore in preparation for war, or more likely Chinese steel along the Belt and Road project.

          We have the best thermal coal, but they will try and source it elsewhere from Third World countries.

          Off the top of my head, ASX listed companies dig it up and are taxed according to terms agreed upon.

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    Damo

    What could they possibly do with all that gas from Bass Strait in the future? If only Victoria had links with some other Nation that was increasing it’s emissions, with massive plans to expand its energy use, it might be able to export it. Oh,… wait!

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      robert rosicka

      I wonder if they will be smart enough to stop people from getting LPG after the inspection is done ?

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    David Wojick

    This is global. No fiossil fuels means no gas, my take:

    https://www.cfact.org/2021/03/06/the-left-declares-war-on-gas/

    Maybe this will finally wake people up.

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      Hanrahan

      Dave, anyone who doesn’t see the impossibility of windmills now, never will. I’m in the tropics and my solar o/p is not brilliant compared to nominal, what fool thought concentrated solar could work in Europe?

      Keep up the good work, but don’t have high hopes.

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        David Wojick

        My thought is that when people are finally confronted with the reality of mindless mitigation they will start to question it. Blackouts for example, of outlawing ordinary cars, or forcing people to replace their gas furnaces. There is a lot of good shock coming.

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          ColA

          Worse than that they think they will provide all the extra power with sun shine, windy props and fairy farts!

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            OriginalSteve

            I took a millenial yo task this morning, asking how is he going to charge his EV when the coal power is shut down?

            And the pre-programmed answer was “renewables”.

            I proceeded to tell him he would need 10% of land areas covered in solar cells to produce power…plus lots of power lines to take the power to the consumers…and what happens when the sun dont shine?

            Most people have no grasp of Engineering. He learnt a hard lesson in front if his mates….

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      el gordo

      The green zealots will have to compromise, gas power is essential to back up intermittent renewables.

      ‘Gas-fired power generators can be ramped up and ramped down more quickly than coal-fired generators which makes them ideal for meeting peak demand as well as for providing baseload power. The facilities required for these generators use less land than that required for a coal-fired power plant of a similar energy output and they need less time for construction. Carbon emissions from gas-fired power generation are about 50 to 60 per cent lower than from coal-fired power.’ (APGA)

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        MP

        100 years of reliable coal fired power with none of the ramping issues you speak of until they had to work against weather dependant generators. Peaking issues never existed until a small group of persons with other motives decided the molecule of life had become the molecule of death.
        As CO2 is a non problem as you claim (when your not claiming the opposite, as your comment states) then Gas is a solution to a non problem.
        The issues with coal were created trying to fix a problem that does not exist, Interconnectors, batteries, pumping water uphill and the multiple of other expensive solutions that are not generators, somehow fail to be accounted for on the Intermittent energy tab including gas peaking plants.

        You have no idea what is required or the area required to replace all coal with gas, or the cost of the exercise.
        We are being forced to fix problems created trying to fix problems that never existed.
        “Carbon emissions from gas-fired power generation are about 50 to 60 per cent lower than from coal-fired power.” so now CO2 is an issue to you, make up your mind.

        Pandering to the vocal minority and the willfully ignorant is not a solution as the problem never existed until it was created from nothing.
        I try to ignore your comments as I assumed you had hit peak [Snip]AD, but you ratchet it up a notch every time.

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      OldOzzie

      David. thanks for that Link – supports what Jo has said above – First they came for Coal, and the Gas industry didn’t protest…

      The fifty year history of electric power in America goes like this:

      First they came for the nukes in the 70’s. Coal and gas smiled, saying we can do the job, so we built 350,000 MW of coal-fired baseload and gas-fired peakers.

      Then they came for coal in the 90’s. Gas smiled, saying we can do the job, so we built 220,000 MW of gas-fired baseload.

      Now they have come for gas. Wind and solar are smiling; their trade associations love this law.

      But there is a big difference this time. WIND AND SOLAR CAN’T DO THE JOB.

      Unlike nuclear, coal and gas, wind and solar only produce power when nature wants them to, not when we need it. Only when the sun shines bright or the wind blows strong. Low wind nights are common. A week without wind power occurs every few years almost everywhere in America.

      The wind and solar people say that storage of electricity is the solution to this problem of intermittency, as it is called. In the vast quantities required, the only viable storage technology available to meet the law’s mandate is batteries.

      But the storage requirements are stupendous, so the cost of batteries is astronomical. In fact it is economically impossible. (It may also be physically impossible to hook up this many batteries, or even to make them.)

      I have a standard cost calculation the applies here. It is imprecise but gives the flavor of the cost. Simply take the average hourly need for juice, with 7 days of storage, at the average cost of grid-scale batteries which today is roughly $1,500,000 per megawatt hour (MWh). There are reasons the real figure might be lower, and reasons it might be much higher, so this is a useful benchmark.

      Here’s the math. America uses about 4.2 billion MWh per year, which is roughly 500,000 MWh per hour. For 7 days this works out to 84 million MWh, costing around $120 trillion. That is ONE HUNDRED TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS just for batteries.

      Note that this does not include the cost of replacing all the operating coal and gas fired generators with a mind boggling number of wind and solar generators. Nor does it include things like the electrification of all our cars and trucks, our houses, our gas-fired industries, etc., which might double the amount of electricity needed. This would also double the batteries, so we might be looking at $240 trillion.

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        And then something, somewhere has to provide the electricity to charge those batteries.

        You either use the power as it is actually being generated, or divert the power to charge the batteries. (and there are substantial losses in doing that charging the batteries and then using the power from the batteries)

        You cannot do both.

        Tony.

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    The Insane Left has been in power and perpetrating the War of the Insane Left since 2008. (Their coalition members — insane cultists all– have wanted to do this since the ’60s, when “civil rights” finally broke through and was taken over by the revenge-minded lawless section).

    This is war. Everything, every dystopian event, should be looked at as an act of war, pure and simple. To do otherwise is merely avoidance behavior, to avoid the inevitable shooting part of the war.

    It is far too late for politics to cure the disease, or rather, cure the insanity.

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      Hanrahan

      Are you American? You sound to be so.

      If next year’s mid terms are rigged Greater America won’t cop it. Is bloodshed inevitable? I hope not but I also hope USA survives as a democracy. That may not be possible without civil war.

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        Democracy has already failed in America and has been replaced by a Marxist media that misleads so egregiously that it drives people to become self destructive for petty political reasons both in the voting booth and when tallying the results.

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        MP

        That’s what they said for the presidential elections in 2020, “they won’t cop it, there will be war they said” then they put their masks back on and got back under their beds.
        Trump called his supporters to the capital on January the 6th, the most important day since the last most important day, 1 million (guess) turned up, 73 million stayed home.
        It was like watching an episode of south park!

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    Aloha! Perth in the 1970s and we used a kerosene portable reflective heater that took just minutes to bake a cold room! No worries mate! Ah, those were the days when we took “common sense” for granted! Now they’ve even “came for that too”!

    Not even Elon Musk would dare to ask that you give him $80k for a Tesla S Model car today in exchange for actually driving it in 2040! Yet that is what our brilliant politicians who are leading the climate charge are asking! I guess there are still millions of uneducated who trust politicians! The fact that almost every major politician in the world is leading the climate change revolution should be a bigger red flag than the one flying over Xi’s palace in Beijing! But too many dolts make a good living off climate lies! That is how bureaucracies are born and how they survive! Pay enough people and you can look legitimate even when you lie and kill! Certainly the Mexican cartels know how that works! Pablo Escobar taught Xi that lesson!

    Yet whatever the West’s politicians are signing in Paris Xi signs and then does the opposite. I am sure the West scientists and politicians who pay the climate scientists have noticed that by now! Xi buys more and more coal and nuclear as the West buys more and more solar panels and wind turbines manufactured by China! A “win-win” for XI and communism pretending to be capitalism! Maybe in a flow chart Greta could see the glaring sore thumb flaw in her thinking.

    In the 1980s I volunteered for four years at food banks in Oakland CA hoping to do my small part in stemming the homeless crisis then. Now 30 years later there are more homeless and the crisis is worse! In layman’s terms yet again … Who here would give their car mechanic 30 years to fix their car? Yet failure after failure for 50 years Biden is elected President! It is the only profession where polls show that trust in politicians is lower than a used car(pre-owned)salesman and abject failure is rewarded with power and vast wealth. Sounds like the lawyer profession and that explains why there are so many lawyers in politics! Lawyers get paid whether they win or lose! If Trump proved anything it is that being President is a “no prior political experience required” job! I mean a carpenter could do a better job as president than Joe Biden is! Right now I trust a blind piano player more than Kumala! I think Xi must be laughing so hard every day he has to take pain killers for his side aches! Certainly Mao never had it this easy!

    Now, that said I am in negotiations with Orion Energy to lease our land in Louisiana for a solar farm to replace the local antiquated coal fired plant. Utilities do not invest in new coal plants! The BIG SALE to utilities is that Orion can tell the utility CLECO that solar and wind are not traded on commodity markets so therefore they can offer 30 year contracts with steady prices that do not fluctuate one week to the next. Kind of like the old Roman era of the “grain dole” only its energy. So we are back to “cura annona” again are we? The 1000 year old con job! Yet another one of political tactics is to base their entire career on the fact that humans have short memories! Yep! No debate there!

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      Kalm Keith

      I hope that the last paragraph began with a bit of sarcasm?
      🙂

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        Aloha Kalm! True enough but with Chesapeake Oil & Gas on the main lease and cattle grazing in between! lol! The Haynesville Shale is formidable!

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    Brett

    Victoria did vote these clowns in. Mind you, with the economy going the way it is there won’t be too many new houses built before they get voted out

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      Gerry, England

      To butcher a famous quote:- ‘If you don’t like these clowns, we have others.’ And if it is like the UK therein lies the problem. We are lumbered with an ignorant lying oaf as PM only because the other choices were even worse. It is local election day in the UK so interesting to see if it becomes an opinion poll on the lying oaf as he faces criminal investigation for funding his flat renovation with other people’s cash.

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      Hanrahan

      They will need to name a new syndrome, maybe “California Syndrome”, or “Victoria Syndrome” to describe those locked in a decaying state/city who are too dumb and too left to get out.

      If you come to Queensland please leave your lefty politics behind. Texas says the same. 😀

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        Yonniestone.

        I’ll stop you there, not all Victorians are ‘dumb’ like the sheeple that vote the same fools and policies in every election, some of us have been wide awake to the rot for years but get zero support from the public or are suppressed by media to make any difference to the decline.

        I’m not moving anywhere as this is my birth state and history and I love it whereas QLD is nice to visit but not my cup of tea, I consider Australia to be a unique beautiful country but like anywhere its the people that make a society and every place varies in its local culture.

        I wouldn’t be throwing stones as I’ve personally seen some self destructive behavior from Queenslanders when working there many years ago so lets just say every state has their moments, the point is regardless of where we live and ribbing aside I consider it a strength of Australia to have so many variations in people that when we are tested we all say yes and work so well together the whole world takes notice.

        Those that have fallen into the lefts trap can be led back out with the right leaders but some will never and it has always been so, the heading in Jo’s article immediately made me think of using natural gas turbines to make renewables look good but households have to suffer the cold, this skeptical thinking is what we need to get people motivated in the right direction so instead of 5k at a pointless climate march we get 500k protesting Andrews illegal belt and road deal that will impact their lives far more than a failed hypothesis.

        The more we fall for the marxist trick of divide and conquer the weaker we become, I’m sure many here can hold their own in a debate or have the mettle to stand against tyranny but having a few Horatius’s is useless when you don’t have a bridge and this is what we need, a way to give our opponents no other option but to be forced to confront the majority for all to see with no way of sneaking around or covering tracks to hide the truth, its a big task but hopefully we can again all say yes.

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      robert rosicka

      Brett I can find no one who voted for Labor and only a couple who voted green the rest liberal , but we are in country Victoriastan .

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    tom0mason

    Nothing ➙ that is no industry, no commercial business, nobody’s comfort, health, or mortality, is more important than politicians virtue signaling.

    And the banning of gas works on every level, promoting regional pea-brained idiot politicians to the realms of mega-stardom virtue signaler.

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    Deano

    Great example of how to lose support.
    Make Victorians suffer lack of heating and affordable cooking fuel and tell them they have to endure it to “save the planet”.
    Refuse to discuss the fact that China alone produces 1000’s of time more CO2 and even under an intolerant communist government, its citizens at least have access to fossil fueled cooking and heating appliances.
    When renewables keep failing, blame lack of wind and too much cloud cover as if this has never happened before.
    Express amazement at the next election when the Jobs, Energy and Economy candidate romps in.

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    Philip

    Humans often fail to grasp the scope and context of things, and make terrible decisions as a result.

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      PeterS

      Especially voters.

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      Hanrahan

      Humans often fail to grasp the scope and context of things

      I’ve been debating warmies for MANY years and this is my take away too. I’ve asked if they have ever flown into a big city at night and wondered what batteries would be needed to keep that city alive and vital. I don’t recall a response.

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    UK-Weather Lass

    If only the low carbon revolution was clean, green and cheap, no one would have to ban anything.

    My sentiments in a nutshell. You deal with reality and not some imagined evil invented to put the fear of god into any young child taught it at school.

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      PeterS

      No fear of god required. People are falling for it in droves. If they didn’t both major parties wouldn’t be on a unity tickets to reduce our emissions for some mythical man-made global warming catastrophe.

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      Philip

      Talk to any green and you find how obsessed they are about BANNING things. Its their instinctual go to thought.

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        PeterS

        Very reminiscent of the N.zis. Goes to show there is really little difference between them, and for that matter their cohorts the CCP. Yet we kowtow to both the left and the CCP endlessly. Go figure.

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          OriginalSteve

          We didnt defeat Naz*sm in WW2…..the globalist families funded both sides of WW2, they are now creating a global green Naz*sm.

          Naz*sm has always been with us, just working through communism to hone its craft.

          WW2 was just the final test run.

          It appears the official religion of Naz*sm is Satanism.

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            el gordo

            Nazism was a form of fascism and the Beijing princelings are fascists and Nostradamus reckoned the antichrist would come from the east.

            Putting that aside, its a restrictive yet benevolent dictatorship.

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        Deano

        Banning things and badgering people.
        I’ve heard some students in their late teens talking about “Becoming an activist”. They don’t mention the issue that fires up their passion, and it seems their isn’t one at that stage, they simply want to “Be an activist”. They usually aren’t well liked at school and I think activism provides camaraderie with other social rejects who need an excuse to seek revenge on society.

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    dp

    The incredibly foolish Canadians have beat you in this race to third-world living.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/2958288/city-of-vancouver-votes-to-ban-natural-gas-by-2050/

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    David Maddison

    I am no chef but I do know that chefs and other people who love to cook prefer gas for the power and control it gives.

    So is the plan to use coal-made electricity to cook since unreliables are not up to the job?

    Could it also be related to the fact that Dictator Dan, who has been missing for weeks now, has banned exploration for gas in most areas? Vicdanistan might run out of gas with no further exploration or development allowed.

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      OldOzzie

      Could it also be related to the fact that Dictator Dan, who has been missing for weeks now, has banned exploration for gas in most areas? Vicdanistan might run out of gas with no further exploration or development allowed.

      It’s allright – when the Chinese take over Victoria in the next couple of years they wil Drill, Baby, Drill

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    David Maddison

    If gas supply to new homes is banned in new developments, it will cost a fortune to install it at some future time in the unlikely event that a rational government is ever elected.

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    James

    I guess this is one way to stop you eating meet. Once the unreliables take over, you will not be able to cook meat very often!

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    PeterS

    If this comes to pass it’s just another sign confirming we have lost the plot due to our insanity and complete lack of awareness as displayed by our voting pattern.

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    PeterS

    I suppose next they will put an end to raising farm animals such as cattle. That will reduce meat consumption, another goal for the emission reduction nation destroyers. Still all this madness will come to an end sooner or later but not in a nice way. Politicians think people can be exploited forever, which of course has never worked and always backfires in a catastrophic way for the politicians and for the nation. History is proof of that but of course we keep ignoring history and end up repeating the same mistakes over and over. Stupid is as stupid does.

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      Kalm Keith

      France has recently seen a non violent uprising of former French army Generals.

      For their patriotic, non violent efforts they were stripped of their army pensions.

      Things are looking rather ominous there especially with the unresolved matters raised by the Yellow vest group and similar social unhappiness with government has to be on the boil in America.

      The rest of 2021 could become very exciting.

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        PeterS

        Me thinks the rest of the decade will be even more “exiting”. Crunch time will come I have no doubt. Only the exact timing is unknown.

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        Flok

        From memory, original Mad Max was shot in 2021?

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      el gordo

      ‘I suppose next they will put an end to raising farm animals such as cattle.’

      I just heard on the news that if Australia got rid of its cattle the reduction in methane would be astronomical. That is, it would virtually eliminate our emissions footprint.

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    Penguinite

    Does this mean no BBQ’s or Asian restaurants?

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      Tilba Tilba

      Does this mean no BBQ’s or Asian restaurants?

      Will they be able to stop bottle gas? In Darwin for the period 1994-2004 there was no reticulated gas, so anyone who wanted gas stoves or hot water had bottled gas. Ironic give the huge LNG industry that is based there, and piped from there. I don’t know whether the situation has changed, but I think not.

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    Kalm Keith

    What has politics in Australia achieved in recent times.

    Earlier;

    “The ABCCCC and modern political institutions all the way down from the U.N. to local government councils are like a scum that floats on top of a pond and smothers it.

    We are a nation of three month smokos, courtesy of government avarice.

    Of closing industry and universities bursting at the seams with the unemployed. Empty shopfronts everywhere.

    Of schools teaching about rainbows or maybe just the idea of rainbows: anyhow, just go to uni and do a degree in rainbowism, or whatever.

    We are a nation which failed to look up and see the trees reaching in from both sides of the road and touching above us.

    We are a nation which failed to acknowledge that these trees would block our escape from the green fires.

    We are a nation which failed to pay tribute to the Two Hundred Fire victims of the last ten years and Fix The Problem.

    They died for nothing.

    After two hundred years of experience being ignored we need a political upheaval to return Australia to Ethical Governance.

    KK

    And since that was written we have watched our brothers and sisters in BrexiBritain and the former USA being subjected to serious social decay and government endorsed violence.

    KK

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      another ian

      Got this in an email


      Subject: Quote from Sheikh Rashid “Never a truer word was Spoken” [cid:[email protected]]

      The founder of Dubai, Sheikh Rashid, was asked about the future of his country, and he replied, “My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I ride a Mercedes, my son rides a Land Rover, and my grandson is going to ride a Land Rover, but my great-grandson is going to have to ride a camel again. “Why is that, he was asked? And his reply was,

      “Hard times create strong men, strong men create easy times. Easy times create weak men, weak men create difficult times. Many will not understand it but you have to raise warriors, not parasites” And add to that the historical reality that all great “empires”…the Persians, the Trojans, the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans and in later years the British…all rose and perished within 240 years. Each “rotted from within”. America has now passed that 240 year mark and the “rot” is visible all around us and now accelerating quickly. We are past the Mercedes and Land Rover Years and the camels are in our yards. And 75 million Americans demonstrated last November by voting for Biden that they know nothing of history and/ or think we should all be riding camels!”
      [cid:[email protected]] ‘

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        Forrest Gardener

        Talking of 75 million americans voting for Biden, the sad reality is that there is great uncertainty about that number. My guess is that there were less than half that many genuine votes for Biden.

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        Annie

        I saw that somewhere else; a pretty good illustration of the cycles of society. Our societies are decaying, unfortunately. Too much being taken from the workers to prop up the drones.

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      And yet they say our economy is booming and we will all be rich!

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    PeterS

    What about gas water heaters? How insane can this get before the people rise up and say enough is enough?

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      Yonniestone.

      I live in Ballarat Victoria with average summer day temps of 18-25c and winter 12-7c below 0c overnight is not uncommon for most months of the year, gas cooking and heating is very popular for its speed and efficiency and WAS the cheapest way to run a home until Vic governments placed taxes and levies on it to slowly make it an expensive luxury for many to have, sound familiar?

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      el gordo

      Chefs demand gas cooking in restaurants, virtue signallers can eat at home.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    “Suffer little children”

    A quick check on childhood respiratory disease and gas cooking shows a clear link between gas used to heat and cook inside a home and the incidence of diseases like asthma.

    What’s a few sick kiddies? We don’t send them down the mine anymore.

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      Kalm Keith

      That’s terrible.
      Thank heavens we have universities full of researchers to bring these things to our attention.

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      Yonniestone.

      A clear link you say?, a quick search finds many such articles but with words like “claims, might, do, can, possible, etc etc”

      Oh and most are from climate/environmental interest groups and affiliates so a big surprise there and also fits the core subject of Jo’s article.

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      robert rosicka

      Peter I’m sure the pensioners and poor will love having only one utility Bill they can’t afford to pay instead of two -Gas – Electricity into just electricity, of course those like you advocating for this have your subsidised solar and batteries so it won’t matter to you and if you’re ok who cares if if folk freeze and go hungry .

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      el gordo

      ‘What’s a few sick kiddies?’

      Obviously those households which are susceptible should go electric, freedom of choice.

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        GD

        Obviously those households which are susceptible should go electric, freedom of choice.

        Or clean their gas heater filters.

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      MP

      Saw that on the tel-lie-vision last night, study sponsored by the climate council?
      You get the results you pay for.

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      Damo

      You got a link to one of these /quality/sarc studies? What do you suppose the mechanism would be? Burning hydrogen and methane produces water and carbon dioxide, not particularly antigenic compounds!

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      Peter Fitzroy

      I See – making kids sick, and imposing a lifetime burden on our medical system (mind you phama profits from this) from a source which could be controlled, is unimportant to the commentators here

      At least there is a consistency here – price is king, Collateral damage does not matter to anyone here

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        MP

        Look at the comment above this one and answer that.

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        Yonniestone.

        Oh the its “think of the children” strawman now is it Peter, wow you must be running out of material to try that one here.

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        Kalm Keith

        What a weird unqualified comment.
        Still what else can we expect.

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        el gordo

        Peter the baby boomers grew up with gas stoves and heating, collateral damage minimal.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          How do you know?

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            peter

            Fitzy,
            We have to stop this BS you’re promoting about gas cooking/heating right now. The levels of NO2 are so minute, a couple of ppb, that it would never be a threat to most people. The very few who were sensitive to such low levels can seek alternative heating. The 99.9% who have no problem with it should be allowed to continue with gas heating/cooking. I’ve spent a career measuring things such as NOx in the workplace at 1000 times the levels some little idiots are concerned about in the home. This is the stuff of greenie leftie ratbags. Oh, sorry, you are one aren’t you? Get a life.

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          Geoffrey Williams

          I’m with you gordo, perhaps they’ll compromise and allow us to wear gas masks in our homes !
          GeoffW

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      Chris

      Perhaps they don’t sell state of the art gas appliances in Victoria or they don’t have flues or exhaust fans or windows in their houses. Gas hot water systems are placed outside the house . Carpet / rugs and dust mites can give susceptible kids a hard time.

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      BriantheEngineer

      Stronger Range Hood Fans problem fixed

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        OriginalSteve

        Exactly.

        But hang on…that means we cant have any victims…

        The leftist cult of divide and conquer Universal Victimhood requires a victim as a rallypoint.

        Watching Q and No Answer last night, it was like watching a university-level grungy lefty “save the whales” conference held in a uni back bar…..it was a complete joke.

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      sophocles

      Guess what Peter?

      Asthma is a sign and a symptom of vitamin D Deficiency.

      Such a Deficiency is easily fixed … as you would have known had you read all Jo’s posts …

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    david

    Are you serious Peter? Asthma like mine is generally caused by many different sources of allergies and gas is not a major one. There are positives and negatives to most things in life but for sure I’d like to be warm in winter and not freeze to death.

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      Yonniestone

      Yes the cold weather takes a toll on the lungs, I think most asthma sufferers would prefer cooking with gas than dung fires which are proven to damage respiratory systems but Green zealots will try to demonize anything if it suits the narrative.

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      another ian

      David

      ” There are positives and negatives to most things in life but for sure I’d like to be warm in winter and not freeze to death.”

      With current statistics methods that would count as curing your asthma wouldn’t it?

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      Peter Fitzroy

      Knibbs, L. et al. Damp housing, gas stoves, and the burden of childhood asthma in Australia. Medical Journal of Australia. 2018 (7): 299-302.
      Australian Bureau of Statistics, Energy use and conservation survey, 2011
      National Asthma Council, Australian Asthma Handbook-Managing avoidable triggers. Available at: http://www.asthmahandbook.org.au/clinical-issues/triggers/avoidable-triggers

      Do a bit of reading David – this is not about you

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        another ian

        Knibbs, L. et al. Damp housing, gas stoves, and the burden of childhood asthma in Australia. Medical Journal of Australia. 2018 (7): 299-302.
        Australian Bureau of Statistics, Energy use and conservation survey, 2011

        “Results: 26.1% of Australian homes have dampness problems and 38.2% have natural gas as the main energy source for cooktop stoves. The PAF for childhood asthma attributable to damp housing was 7.9% (95% CI, 3.2–12.6%), causing 1760 disability-adjusted life years (DALYs; 95% CI, 416–3104 DALYs), or 42 DALYs/100 000 children. The PAF associated with gas stoves was 12.3% (95% CI, 8.9–15.8%), corresponding to 2756 DALYs (95% CI, 1271–4242), or 67 DALYs/100 000 children. If all homes with gas stoves were fitted with high efficiency range hoods to vent gas combustion products outdoors, the PAF and burden estimates were reduced to 3.4% (95% CI, 2.2–4.6%) and 761 DALYs (95% CI, 322–1199).”

        National Asthma Council, Australian Asthma Handbook-Managing avoidable triggers. Available at: http://www.asthmahandbook.org.au/clinical-issues/triggers/avoidable-triggers

        “Always avoid – tobacco smoke

        Avoid or reduce where possible – Fuel combustion (nitrogen dioxide-emitting gas heaters) as one of many

        Do not avoid – exercise, laughter”

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          another ian

          And Knibbs et al only considered piped natural gas fuelled

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          Peter Fitzroy

          So as far as you are concerned, all those deaths, lost years and lost productivity is totally worth it. Might as well send them back down the mines, get more productivity that way.

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            Forrest Gardener

            Just a hint PF. Try to speak for yourself and refrain from speaking for others.

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            Graeme#4

            What deaths, lost years and lost productivity Peter? You cannot just make these claims without backing them with actual data. Otherwise folks will think that you’re just making baseless assertions.

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          tom0mason

          So Knibbs, L. et al. Damp housing, gas stoves, and the burden of childhood asthma in Australia. Medical Journal of Australia. 2018 (7): 299-302.
          Australian Bureau of Statistics, Energy use and conservation survey, 2011 infer that damp microbe laden air could bring about as asthma.

          Doesn’t rebreathing damp air through through a mask not achieve the same?

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        Graeme#4

        I did some reading Peter, and it seems that most of the research concerns were understandably with unflued gas heaters in schools, not gas cooktops, and certainly not gas cooktops that had venting systems. This appears to be yet another alarmist attempt to raise an issue where there wasn’t one.

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    William

    This push was started by research done by, of all people, the Climate Council who decided poorly vented gas cooking was causing serious health problems. Not sure why the Climate Council was looking at this is odd other than they were looking for more sticks to whack non-believers with. It strikes me as well outside their remit – but as always, the gullible useless idiots jump on and run with the insanity.

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    Geoffrey Williams

    And what about the iconic gss barbecue will that go too ?
    On aside, here in Sydney I am told that wood burners can no longer be installed in new homes.
    Greens are running the show and people like myself have no say in these decisions.
    Pisses me off . . .
    GeoffW

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      robert rosicka

      I did hear this was also a proposal in Victoriastan.

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      PeterS

      What else does one expect when much of the population is asleep, clueless or doesn’t give a damn? As a consequence, slowly but surely we are being taken for granted by big business and politicians on both sides of political spectrum, which happens to be shrinking. I’ll be watching with much anticipation as the population start squirming and squealing in the coming years but have to cop it in the chin and backside hard and fast until they either shut up or rise up.

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      Chad

      Geoffrey Williams
      May 7, 2021 at 9:14 am · Reply
      And what about the iconic gss barbecue will that go too ?

      …i will just revert to Charcoal instead !….much tastier.
      Now, what about my garden firepit ?

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        Geoffrey Williams

        Charcoal could become problematic it is still carbon . .
        But does give superior results . .
        GeoffW

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          Kalm Keith

          Charcoal was a basic item in the country areas of Vietnam.

          Beautiful to burn.

          The only problem, like most renewables, was the process used to produce it.

          Just imagine the resins, oils and liquids removed from the tree material, aka wood, to make it.

          Essentially pure carbon plus oxygen, from the air, plus heat > more heat plus CO2, that life supporting gas.

          CO2, the gas of life.

          KK

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      Geoffrey Williams

      And the UK is, or has, gone the same way regardind gas fired heating & domestic boilers . .
      Perfectly efficient and economic the ‘balanced flue’ boilers mounted inside on the kitchen (outside wall) are being phased out in favour of heat pumps. When I bring this up with my greeny friends over there they just look at me with a sublime smile; they have all been so brainwashed on global warming that they will conform to whatever they are told by their political masters at the BBC!
      When the time comes they will all freeze in their cotton pyjamas, see if I care . .
      GeoffW

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    Greens in Canberra have floated a phase out of gas asap. Labor has said that is stupid and they will consider it to be done by 2045 to allow people to transition.

    Gas infrastructure is no longer required to be provided in new housing developments which of course means it wont be put in.

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    Philip

    Gas is the best stove fuel. You simply can’t beat it. Those LP gas tanks never seem to run out (don’t know about oven). For heating via a propane radiator (if that’s what they’re called) it’s terrible, very expensive.

    I live in a bushfire zone so they ban gas on me and I hate it. The electric cook tops are rubbish and expensive these days too.

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      robert rosicka

      Gas is for cooking and heating , nothing beats a gas oven for cooking .

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        Philip

        yes ive never used one but do note that lately we have taken to cooking meat in a bbq with a lid and it is far superior than meat from the electric oven.

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      Ban gas in a bushfire zone? Absurd. Quite safe as long a precautions are taken with the location of the LPG bottles. Do they know that one can get them “buried” now? They’ve been available in some areas for quite a few years now.

      I have an “emergency” electric cooker; it’s by induction heating of the pan/pot which makes it much better than the resistive heating element of the electric cooktop that’s been in the kitchen wince the house was built in 1969. Price of induction cooktops ranges widely/wildly … and a lot of existing cookware won’t heat directly by induction (workarounds available but they defeat the advantage of inductive heating.

      For space and water heating, it makes little sense to first heat water to make steam, to turn turbines that connect to generators to provide electrical power for a an electric resistive heating device at the other end. In situ combustion is the most efficient. Even if one runs an electric motor to turn a refrigerant compressor to pump heat into the water or living space. And the latter has its limits as people in Texas found when it got really cold and the evaporator of the heat pumps couldn’t evaporate because it got too cold; resulting in the units switching to resistive heating and overloading the supply grid.

      You can always burn legislation to keep warm. 😉

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    Phillip Charles Sweeney

    I hope the Climate Gods will be appeased when Victorians freeze to death on a cold overcast winter’s day when the wind is not blowing.

    The stupidity of some politicians knows no bounds.

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    Phillip Charles Sweeney

    In Germany people are cutting down trees in forests for firewood since energy prices have doubled and heating by electricity has become unaffordable for many.

    Burning timber produces much more CO2 than natural gas.

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      Richard Owen No.3

      And Russia is increasing its output of wood chips that they export to the EU.
      About 2-3 years ago they were selling a million tons of wood chips in bulk and about 0.5 million tons of chips in bags.

      Burning wood also produces particulates, such as those nasty diesel cars were said to produce. How’s the air quality in London these days? Perhaps nostalgia for “the good old days” will result in the return of “the London Particular” smog.

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      vince whirlwind

      Honestly, where do people get these sorts of tall stories?

      Aren’t you embarrassed to be typing up lies?

      https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-power-retail-idUKKBN29C1XC

      “FRANKFURT (Reuters) – German households are paying 2% less for electricity than a year ago, …”

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        Lucky

        True, comparing with last year .. ” lower renewable support fees ”
        Now provide the price data so we can compare with 3-4 years ago which is what is being discussed as there is change in fuel.

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    David Maddison

    People will be able to circumvent the ban by installing LPG (US = propane) compatible stoves and get gas cylinders delivered periodically like they do on some farms or off grid houses.

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    Serge Wright

    They will need to rename Victoria the “Earth hour state”. A place where you get to experience Earth hour, every hour.

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    David Maddison

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

    George Carlin

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    David Maddison

    In the future I expect lots of gas fired and explosions as people improvise with DIY LPG/propane installations to circumvent the ban.

    There will also be no gas fired BBQs so just chop down some more trees for firewood. Wood burning will also create air pollution, of course.

    I bet the Elites and their personal chefs will continue to use reticulated gas.

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    Serp

    Saboteurs of our well being this Labor government. I expect it’ll be reelected with an increased majority again next year; baffling.

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    David Maddison

    In Vicdanistan I used to use gas heating until Dictator Dan increased taxes and charges on it and banned a lot of exploration and development.

    I now use coal powered electric reverse cycle air conditioning for heating which is now cheaper than gas. (There is very little useful contribution to the grid from wind or solar.)

    Gas produces less CO2 than coal per unit of energy for those that think it matters.

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      David Maddison

      I now proudly generate more CO2 with coal powered heating than I did with gas.

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      Gas heating at the point of use is naturally almost 100% efficient.
      Conversion of coal to power to drive a heat pump electrically from an Australian power station is seldom even 30% efficient.

      What’s worse is that if it get really cold (as it did in Texas, recently), then the heat pump (reverse cycle airconditioner) has to stop working as it’s too cold to evaporate the working fluid (aka refrigerant). So keep the gas camping stove for emergency heating.

      But it’s likely that DRED will be used before it gets that cold due to the need to shed of electrical power demand to maintain a semblance of grid stability.

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    David Maddison

    There’s plenty of BS in Victoriastan so why not use dung fires?

    How to cook with cow dung:

    https://youtu.be/GnTFTfF5b94

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    another ian

    Some on the legal aspects of getting Ivermectin prescribed AND ADMINISTERED in the treatment of covid in New York hospitals.

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2021/04/27/w-o-o-d-27-april-2021/#comment-143325

    Note that one advisory body (NIHS iirc) has gone from anti its use to “discussions between patient and doctor”

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    Ronin

    To me, this just sounds like a push to get rid of the competition by the unreliable power producers, you know, the ones who want to save the world with cowfans and solar panels.

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    Gerard van Rijswijk

    They want to run everything on electric power so they have ultimate control. They can switch you off at will. Smart meter anyone??

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    Ross

    We bought a new unit in Richmond in 2014, slap bang in the middle of the Socialist Republic of Yarra Yarra. (City of Yarra Yarra). All cooking is via induction technology. So, I assume all new housing would do the same. It’ almost as quick as gas and much safer.( no open flame to burn etc) So, Ok for residential but I couldn’t see it becoming popular in commercial kitchens in pubs and restaurants.

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      Ross

      Just as an aside- during the 1970’s the SEC in Victoria once promoted “all electric houses”. Back when electricity was, you know. cheap. Not Angus Taylor cheap, I’m talking really cheap. In effect, they couldn’t give it away. Then during 1970′ gas was the trend, particularly for heating. It would seem the wheel has rotated around a little and we have regressed. Next everyone will be wearing flares, sporting mullet hairdos and shoving shoulders pads into their shirts, while listening to the Bay City Rollers, or ABBA. Actually, some of that stuff has already returned. Pity the cheap electricity prices cant. )-:

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    Maptram

    So we will have no gas and reliance on intermittent electricity to provide the energy required for heating, cooling, washing, cooking, light, refrigeration, transport, hot water etc.

    Hopefully, by stopping climate change there won’t be another drought where we have to rely on the desal plant to provide water. I’ve heard that the desal plant requires large amounts of energy, which would most likely put more pressure on unreliable electricity supply system

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    Dennis

    The Arab saying that best describes Australian politicians’ relationship with their constituents – “The Dogs Bark, But The Caravan Moves On.”

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    Chad

    When will the “populace” and someone in a position of authority with brains ,…realise how dangerous Victoriastan DAN is ?
    Apart from all this mess with energy restrictions, covid Kok ups,, and general idiocy, ..it was Dan who opened the back door to the Chinese (BRI) without thinking (or did he ?), such that when Dutton kicked them out again and shut the door, they (China) got pissed off and put the screws on all australia.
    Even out Military men are saying “the drums of War are beating” !
    At best we are going to suffer Economically, trade will have to be restructured, and much delicate diplomacy massaged to keep things civil……at worst,…well how bad can it get ??
    All thanks to Dan !!
    In any rational society, he would have “Disappeared” by now

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      Dennis

      The simple explanation is, as a mate in Queensland explained to me just after Union controlled Labor formed government again after the state election: “the old farts believe they are being protected by the Queensland Government”, and nothing else matters.

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      Kalm Keith

      Disparu Dan.

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      OriginalSteve

      Communists can never be trusted.

      They have only one aim, which is destruction of the middle class.

      Question – would it be sensible to have our leaders associate with and/or idolize such people?

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        PeterS

        Yes they can’t be trusted that’s for sure. They are very devious and hardly ever tell the truth. Yet look at what happened to Trump at the hands of conservatives all the way to the SCOTUS. I say conservatives can’t be trusted either. The Wets is in a no win situation as long as we stick to voting to the two main parties.

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    UK-Weather Lass

    In the UK our central heating suppliers once had a range of boilers on offer and the important feature was their efficiency since this equates to fuel burned for heat supplied. THe customer would find that high efficiency boilers were cheaper to run but more expensive to buy and a wise consumer might sit down and do the arithmetic just as the engineers responsible for supplying electricity look for maximum efficiency from generators when running under load.

    These days you cannot easily find gas fires to heat rooms let alone gas boilers. And the problem with this is that the electric replacements are inefficient meaning they cost more and provide less heat more slowly. What consumer should be made to replace an efficient gas unit for an inefficient electric unit at greater cost to buy and run? Our politicians and co-conspirator ‘scientists’ are suffering a madness and they are determined that the rest of us should suffer the same fate.

    Gas, coal and oil still have a major role to play until we sort the nuclear alternatives out and start developing efficient electric fires and boilers that can respond to heat required controls quickly and easily in both directions i.e. more and less heat.

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    Maptram

    What about my solar hot water heater, not by choice mind you, it came with the house I’m in. As well as the solar connection that provides hot water some of the time, it has a gas connection and two electricity connections. Electricity is needed to pump water through the solar system when the weather gets cold to stop the water in the lines from freezing. The other electricity connection is required as a primer to start the gas hot water heater when the sun don’t shine.

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      Read the nameplates on the devices to find out how much power they draw.
      See if you can route the power to be provided by a small UPS.
      UPS should cost less than $200 which gives peace of mind and hot showers when there’s a power outage.

      Connected to my “instantaneous” gas water heater for ignition and air-boost fan (power consumption ~170W peak) is a 650VA UPS rated at supplying the rated load for 10 minutes. So at least half an hour of hot water “from” the UPS.

      We live in strange times. Prepare for extreme strangeness.

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    Dave

    Time for the Victorian Government to get serious!
    Turn off the Gas Power Turbines for electricity (and the coal)!
    Hydro, wind & solar for elite selected GREENS!
    Only a few megawatts in total!

    That’ll stop the rampant earth heating!

    And the Tesla EVs!

    They can start hunting Humpback whales for oil heating and cut down all the national parks for Charcoal!

    Introduce compulsory insect and seaweed eating instead of Belt Galway Cattle renown for their beautiful rump steaks!

    All bicycles to be registered with the central Victorian Government and only the elite to have car access!

    Aboriginal scavenging skills will be taught to all children prior to release in the bush for 5 years survival testing.

    Then it’s going to get FARKING colder, much colder, even with rising CO2!

    IDIOTS are in charge!

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    greggg

    The asthma study dates from 2017-2018.

    https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2018/208/7/damp-housing-gas-stoves-and-burden-childhood-asthma-australia

    It is not a climate council study. People are letting their (justified) dislike of the climate council influence their opinion.

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      Graeme#4

      That is NOT the actual study or studies, more a set of conclusions based on the actual studies. Please read the actual studies to find out how they were done and their results. The asthma foundation has a series of very good links to the actual studies, and some very interesting comments about the studies.

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        Richard Owen No.3

        Curiously this very subject came up today in discussion with – how do I put it (one of the gullible working class that the Greens think they lead) and he regarded it as B.S. He’d been brought up in a poorish family, and they had gas heating and cooking. He was the youngest at 62 and all of his siblings had not suffered from asthma.

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    Bruce

    I’ve been trying to tell people for years that the greens are a Death Cult.

    That nasty little Austrian corporal was the GENUINE original “Eco-Nazi” and animal lover. Track down his thoughts on the environment and diet; You will hear some bells, tolling for YOU.

    Always remember the words of Irma Bombeck:

    “The grass may be greener over the septic tank, but it it greenest over the mass graves”.

    Is AGL involved in any of this caper?

    Their name says it all: Australian “GASLIGHTING”.

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    I’m old enough to remember when indoor use of natural gas was thought to be a health hazard. Even heating was problematic. I recall noting one advisory on that years ago – and anthropogenic global warming had not been conceived. https://eatbeautiful.net/natural-gas-propane-major-health-risks-best-cook-food-dry-clothes-heat-house/ https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/5/7/21247602/gas-stove-cooking-indoor-air-pollution-health-risks
    A friend with multiple chemical sensitivity ( he had worked as a janitor in a cracking plant )claimed not to be able to tolerate gas heat, yet wood was fine. Even wind from the wrong direction set off breathing problems. And yes, he died years ago.

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