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Democrat asks “How do you deprogram 75 million people” Re-education camp?

A Democrats Regional Director suggested that Trump supporters should be deprogrammed in similar ways to post World War II tactics.

‘How *Do* You Deprogram 75 Million People?’ —

Mary Margaret Olohan, Daily Caller

“No seriously…how *do* you deprogram 75 million people,” California Democrats  regional director and Democratic National Convention member David Atkins tweeted Wednesday. “Where do you start? Fox? Facebook? We have to start thinking in terms of post-WWII Germany or Japan. Or the failures of Reconstruction in the South.”

Alternately, they could try the old fashioned way: Talk to people. Investigate the fears of election fraud and do honest actual recounts where signatures are checked. Stop trying to dox, harass and intimidate lawyers so the Trump camp gets a fair hearing.

The Democrats can’t lose unless they were traitorous corruptocrats reliant on rampant ballot fraud.

There is always a way to rationalize anything, especially if you project your own flaws onto opponents:

“This is not your standard partisan policy disagreement,” he continued. “This is a conspiracy theory fueled belligerent death cult against reality & basic decency. The only actual policy debates of note are happening within the dem coalition between left and center left.”

Basic decency starts with a conversation, not a “reeducation camp”. Death threats are not OK?

There are no policy debates between the far left and anyone else because the national conversation has been destroyed. The losing left use pointless namecalling to hide an abject failure to reason.  Which racist bigot is next on the cancel culture list?

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141 comments to Democrat asks “How do you deprogram 75 million people” Re-education camp?

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    The people who need to be ‘re-educated’ are Progressive Socialists like David Atkins who use emotional dog whistles to build support for policies that to ‘save’ the future insure that there’s no future worth saving.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    There is a real question here.
    How can reasonable people deal with folks who are bat-shit crazy and untethered from objective reality,
    when these people end up with power in general, or worse, power over your life in particular?
    “Basic decency starts with a conversation” is moot when the opening gambit is a nuclear first strike that precludes
    conversation….which in their lexicon is your fault. Your disagreement with them is a macroagresson, your very
    existence offends them.

    You can’t reason with a zealot. Logic makes no inroads on crazy. You want a normal life, they want absolute power, and the two are fundamentally
    incompatible.

    You have genetic programming to deal with this.

    Fight or flee.

    “flee” is getting a workout, and will reliance on the concept of “States rights”, operative in different ways in both the US and Australia.

    In the US its “we’ll live in 35 red states and the countryside of many blue ones, you can have California, New York, New England and run your big cities that we’ll no longer ave much need to visit. OK?

    Since elections don’t work very well, we’ll have to consider what to do if the answer is no. It isn’t making the news, but there has been massive civil disobedience on the
    right. It began during the Obama years; was less necessary in many jurisdictions the last four.

    The Abuses of the leftist Loons who are public prosecutors in St. Louis of Philadelphia have been reported to conservatives.
    Below the level of reporting are the thousands of officials in conservative districts who had the good sense not to talk to news people,
    but also had the good sense to tell the townfolk the sitting in your store with a rifle to protect it being looted was a good idea and you would
    be supported by local law enforcement. Without trying to attract a lot of attention, Gov DeSantis has put bills into the Florida legislature to codify this
    into law. Might well pass. Didn’t see that on your local news? Conservatives in public jobs have power too, if they use it…and rights the left claims for localities
    will cut both ways, unless the Supreme Court’ brains turn to jelly. And now you know why the left thought that fight existential.

    If we win the state’s rights battle we might survive until the states run by the left collapse of their own perfidy or in internecine conflict.

    If not, learn the words to “Dixie”.

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      OriginalSteve

      Yeah well we have a watershed monent to crush the current Communist insurgency thats trying to topple Trump and his legitimate and elected govt.

      In effect, anyone trying to take doen the govt illegally is an insurgent, and needs to be treated accordingly….

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    Greg Cavanagh

    Where to start. There is a clear psychological divide between the left and right.

    The left are collectivists and socialists. The right are individualists and owners. One wants to shed the responsibility onto the government (the collective) the other wants to own their own responsibility.

    There is no way to reprogram an individual into a collectivist.

    The right can analyze and understand the left, the left cannot understand the right. This is the great divide which will never be conquered because the left can’t do self reflection (but they do projection well).

    Under the scenario above; there can be little common ground. Both parties must want to achieve the same goal to begin with to achieve anything at all.

    But it has been demonstrated so far, the Dems want to force their ideology onto everybody come what may. Not just threats and intimidation, but actual violence to persons, property and family. Expel your opponent from their jobs and destroy their livelihoods. This is not how to “deprogram” someone from being an individualist.

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      el gordo

      ‘There is a clear psychological divide between the left and right.’

      Yeah the right is primarily concerned with material security and the left want what they think is good for humanity. This is often poorly conceived, like with climate change, but their intentions of having universal health cover and PBS is not to be feared.

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      Yonniestone

      An impossible impasse of ideology is how wars are started, enforcing nations borders is how they are separated, if Atkins Et Al want their version of a Marxist Utopia go to a country that’s similar and suggest their changes there.

      After all isn’t that why millions of oppressed people suffering under Democracies have fled to Communist countries for? (/sarc. if needed)

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      David Maddison

      Those are very important points Greg.

      Conservatives typically don’t understand that the Left don’t represent just minor differences of viewpoint but are fundamentally different to free thinkers such as conservatives and classical liberals in every way.

      Conservatives also make huge mistakes when they give Leftists the benefit of the doubt on moral and other issues such as honesty. Leftists, or at least their leadership, typically the Billionaire Socialists, will do whatever it takes.

      The ideology of Leftism is extremely dangerous and destructive. The National Socialists and International Socialists taught us that. The ideology destroys countries and the prize objectives of current day socialists are the United States and ultimately Western Civilisation itself.

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        tom0mason

        David Maddison,

        That is because the socialist cause relies on infusing society with envy every level. Make the less well off, the less talented, and the unlucky envious of the socially awkward but rich, talented, or lucky.
        Also the main thrust within a socialist regime is to condemn greed, a basic human drive — part of the drive to survive — as wicked. Yes, greed for the sake of satisfying outrageous avarice, is very harmful and should be prevented. Greed for oneself can spur you on to do and be better, improving yourself, your family, your friends. properly harnessed greed can provide the good for society and the drive for progress. The key is to understand that greed just for itself is a destructive force.

        So are these Billionaire Socialists greedy for themselves and their legacy, or for the good of society? IMHO most appear to be very anti-social avaricious types, with large overbearing egos, continually misunderstanding their demented ‘good intentions’ for the real havoc they cause for no public good.

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          OriginalSteve

          Marx wrote an anti-human manifesto. At its core its an exercise in division…the interesting this is that it appears he was paid by the Elite to do this, so an artificial struggle could be created.

          Ultimately, the Elite control both sides…until the Donald came along and rightly stuck a tree trunk in their bike spokes. This is why the Elite hate him so much…the world was on its way to oblivion and God appears to have raised up a second chance for us. I think we would be stupid not to take this opportunity and rout the communist insurgency….

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            el gordo

            Extraordinary assumption, the Donald will go quietly or risk the ultimate humiliation, banned from twitter sphere.

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              OriginalSteve

              Clearly you dont get it….or choose not to…but thats your right in a democracy….

              By contrast, in the leftist world, there is no free speech….”tolerance” means compliance, “equalitt” means compliance, “peace” means the peace of the grave for those who refuse to bow to the leftist tyrants.

              I guess if you dont like it here you could move to North Korea….

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      Ted O'Brien.

      No way to reprogram an individual into a collectvist?

      Have a closer look at Lionel Murphy’s Family Law Act.

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    I feel like I’m already being reprogrammed by our politicians and media. I see they are even worse now then before this US Elections.

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      OriginalSteve

      They know whats coming I expect.

      If the trump legal team can show even a single example of orovable fraud by Biden, the law says Trump wins by default.

      Trump smartly has just put every armed forces special ops team under his own control as a type of Preatorian guard to protect him from the communist snakes in his own adminustration…..

      It could get ugly…

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        el gordo

        It could get really ugly.

        ‘Even Tucker Carlson said he was fed up with the lack of evidence produced by Trump’s lawyer.’ SMH

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          OriginalSteve

          It appears Tucker may know Hunter as a friend…so….

          At 15:20 mark….

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P4qUaBnSUWQ

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          So with court cases to be run does Tucker really believe that Sidney Powell is about to spill all and thus give the Dems a huge head start? If we had a footy grandfinal next weekend would we expect one of the coaches to give a point by point explanation of the strategy to be employed and what training the team had undergone, any weaknesses he saw in his lineup etc – of course not, but Tucker is saying precisely that.

          Tucker is normally good, but I think he has been got at by the Left, maybe had threats against his family or similar, and so he has had to start supporting the terrible narrative of the Left.

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            Sceptical Sam

            More like his ratings are falling through the floor and he’s been told to do something about it.

            But, you’re right. Why would the Trumpsters telegraph their evidence to the rabid socialist subversives?

            Remember, the left has no qualms about threatening people or worse.

            Seth Rich, anybody?

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              OriginalSteve

              Trump now has a praetorian guard of sorts ( wisely ) by setting up a new branch of the military that he has direct control over all military special forces. I suspect there is a reason for it…some unconfirmed reports appear to suggest some in the military very high up may have sided with the communist insurgency.

              Its also possible that those in the insurgency appear to be tr****ors, and they may release the special forces to either round them up or just neutalize them.

              I think people need to understand this is a fight to the death inside the US between communist turncoats and the US Republic….

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              OriginalSteve

              [delete]

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          tom0mason

          el gordo,

          That is because Tucker Carlson fails to understand, or willfully misdirects his audience, that sworn affidavits are evidence in a court of law. And like physical evidence can be scrutinized and tested by the law. IMHO Showing your evidence on some TV show before presenting it to the court wouldn’t be beneficial to Sidney Powell’s case.
          A court of law is the arbiter here, not the opinions of the MSM, not public opinion expressed on farcebook or twitturds.

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          GlenM

          keep your powder dry el gordo. We would all like the evidence.

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    Right and Left extremes will never get on the same page. Free and fair elections are won by the Party perceived to be the least controlled by their extreme elements. Concerning the current US controversy I have a post on my blog which some may find interesting.

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    Lance

    [SNIP! Jokes like this are too easy to misconstrue. All of the reponses have been removed. Email coming Lance. - Jo]

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    Harry Passfield

    Is there not a correlation here? Are Democrats really National Socialists? (name seems to ring a bell….)

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      el gordo

      No the Democrats aren’t national socialists in the way you imagine. In fact they are not socialists at all, just centre left similar to other western democracies.

      Nobody in Australia really thinks the labor Party is socialist, its only a centre left party of the old world order.

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        TIP

        Is this seemingly enormous divide and absolute disconnect between the left and right possibly fueled by the social media platforms?

        I am suspecting the constant (originally innocent and harmless) practice of “liking” content has become subversively very damaging.

        The “liking” of content results in more of the “liked” content and less of the “unliked” content being delivered to the consumer.

        This results in a very defined, blinkered and re-affirmed content being endlessly delivered to the consumer…

        ….Is that brainwashing? Not a tin foil hat moment – it started innocently as a business model – “they” like it, give “them” more of what “they” like and less of what “they” don’t…simple, good business.

        Ive noticed my own social media feeds have become practically “worthless” to me – all I see is liked minded people presenting like minded ideas.

        I feel i am becoming more and more “right” – or perhaps better put – less and less balanced.

        My Thought In Progress [TIP] – it is this activity of “likes”, the subsequent user profiling and resulting content delivery that needs discussion.

        Thinking – i might start new social media accounts and start “liking” only content i dont agree with. (after all no one is 100% wrong….right?)

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        Harry Passfield

        Yet they want to talk – however off the cuff – about deprogramming the Right. It’s the slippery slope. Do not underestimate the Left.

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        Binny Pegler

        True the USA is a step change to the right, but that won’t change any time soon. The behavior of the left over the last 4 years has ‘case harden’ the right.

        Fact is, Tony Abbott in politics, policy, and personality was to the left of Obama.

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        Sceptical Sam

        El gordo says:

        Nobody in Australia really thinks the labor Party is socialist, its only a centre left party of the old world order.

        You’d better tell that to the ALP. They think they’re socialists. Evidence?

        The ALP National Constitution:

        Clause 4. The Australian Labor Party is a democratic socialist party and has the objective of the
        democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the
        extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields.

        https://cdn.australianlabor.com.au/documents/ALP_National_Constitution.pdf

        It’s a short step between democratic socialism and the full blown catastrophe.

        As they say: “you might vote yourself into socialism but you’ll have to shoot your way out”.

        Ask Venezuela.

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        OriginalSteve

        Surely you jest…they behave like communists…talk like communists…

        hmmm….i wonder if?

        / sarc

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    feral_nerd

    If you’re in a mood to feel utterly hopeless, or perhaps heart-attack angry, read the responses to the Atkins tweet. Everything you hate about the Left is there, on full display: the preening self-righteousness, the towering self-regard, the self-serving mythology, and yes, the hate.

    There is no reasoning with such people. They don’t even regard you as human.

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    el gordo

    “The only actual policy debates of note are happening within the dem coalition between left and center left.”

    That seems fair, the left want to push ahead with extreme ideas like gun law reform, drug law reform and universal health cover, while the centre left have to convince them that their demands won’t see the light of day.

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    Binny Pegler

    I think flooding the country with ballot paper via the universal mail out, has led to widespread ‘noble cause corruption’ As the Dems knew it would.
    I believe we are looking at a huge number of small scale fraud. Individual cases are ‘no big deal’ not enough to make a difference.

    Finding and proving 1000s of these cases is mission impossible. Does anyone know if the return envelopes have been kept? Without them an audit is impossible. Grab 1000 envelopes at random and door knock – ‘Excuse me sir/madam can we please see a sample of your signature’ Just 4 miss matches in 1000 is margin in some states.

    Talk of a huge computer generated vote manipulation beggars belief, if true it’s indescribably HUGE.

    Anyway I think the Dems may have won a Pyrrhic Victory. Without Trump to unite them they will turn on each other. With in 2 years the full financial fall out from Covid19 will hit, Biden will be a lame duck. The media has totally lost the trust of 1/2 the population.
    At least some form of electoral reform will come out of this – Don’t admit fault… but fix the problem.
    Come next election there will be 70 million red voters committed to getting down to the polling station, and I seriously doubt a ‘universal mailout’ will be allowed again.

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      RossP

      ” At least some form of electoral reform will come out of this – Don’t admit fault… but fix the problem.”

      Binny, I’m sorry, but I think you are dreaming if you think this will happen, if the Democrats get into the WH. These games have been played in the USA for decades, they have just got more brazen and with computer technology, more creative. If Trump does prevail there is a chance it will happen, as he is a genuine outsider.

      “Talk of a huge computer generated vote manipulation beggars belief, if true it’s indescribably HUGE.”

      This I agree with you. I started reading up on the voting machines and the tabulating machines during the 2016 election. A number of things surprised me but the talk of how they could be manipulated was out in the open then. For example I can recall reading where data went via Ireland before it ended up at the data collection centre in a particular state.( obviously not Dominion machines, another brand)

      This time because President Trump was so far ahead they panicked and made mistakes, as Jo pointed out the other day.

      The Democrats thought what is occurring might happen, because they spoke of having to drag President Trump out of the White House a month or so before the election. Yesterday Obama was talking (maybe in a slightly joking way) that they may have to get the Navy Seals to take Trump from the WH.

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        Binny Pegler

        Yeah I realized some time ago, with any less than a Trump landslide. The Dems would declare Biden the winner and say ‘See see we told you Trump won’t step aside’

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          Peter C

          Which is exactly what they are doing.

          The problem is that Trump did win in a landslide and fixing that has meant that the supposedly undetectable influence of the voting machine manipulation is becoming all too evident.

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        Binny Pegler

        ‘These games have been played in the USA for decades.’ True but Trump has put the spot light on it.
        The Dems might get the W.H. but they don’t have any were near the power they imagined they would have, this will cause frustration and they will turn on each other like rabbid dogs.
        Trump has been the only thing keeping them together for the last year.

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          Louise

          If they can cheat to get the Presidency, then they can cheat in the Georgia run off and gain the senate. They can cheat to get the house back too. They can cheat. Period.

          They turned this election in many states into an utter cluster f%$& deliberately to hide the cheating. If they know the formula works and they can get away with it, then what’s to stop them in other states? Eventually, and if people are dumb enough to vote then in once, then they will never be able to vote them out.

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            bobl

            I don’t think so, Georgia has a Republican legislature, I’d not be surprised to see a full paper vote runnoff with no mail-in because of the current attention on the presidential election Georgia will want it as clean as possible.

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    David Maddison

    Donald J. Trump is the only person that is currently preventing or can in future prevent the certain destruction of the present form of the United States and Western Civilisation in general. If he doesn’t maintain power it is the end of the last three to four thousand years of the development of western Civilisation. The United States was and currently remains under Trump, the ultimate expression of those civilisational ideals. Tue Left will destroy it all. It really is that serious.

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      Binny Pegler

      Trump has kicked the door down. He may have been gunned down, but he’s opened a breach.

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        bobl

        Yes, electoral fraud is now a mainstream concern of 75 Million Americans and then some.

        I think if Trump continues with the rallies targets the fraud and exposes the Corruption (eg the laptop) using his own resources change can happen. Trump has many ways to win – will we see a Soros of freedom.

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          Saighdear

          Hope so! -but I fear for the rest of the, especially, Developing Countries if I may refer to them as such for years of Mal-governance. Could be riots and at what / who will they be steered towards in their justified Anger ?
          Astrologically, how long was it since 14-18 or 39-45? Patterns? Low Sun activity etc……

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            el gordo

            ‘Astrologically, how long was it since 14-18 or 39-45? Patterns? Low Sun activity etc…… ‘

            Had a quick look and found no correlation, but may I suggest you look at what the AMO and PDO were doing.

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        Peter C

        Trump not gunned down yet. It may happen (I hope not) but I didn’t think it will happen before the start of his next term.

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      el gordo

      ‘ … the certain destruction of the present form of the United States and Western Civilisation in general.’

      That is totally unfounded. The US is already outside the norms of western democracies and needs reform in health care.

      ‘The Left will destroy it all. It really is that serious.’

      No it isn’t, they have only a slim margin and four years to get the job done before a triumphant Donald returns.

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        bobl

        Try Ivanka or Don Jr

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          David Maddison

          Good choices, but if the Left get into power now, there will never again be another free or fair election in the US. The Left have a stated intention to stack the USSC by adding more justices (of their choice) plus disbanding the electoral college system. In addition today’s voter fraud by the Left will look amateurish by what they will do in future.

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          el gordo

          Not likely, in the game of ‘Dynasties Clash’ the Donald will make a comeback like a knight in shiny armour.

          He is getting more involved with creating his own media outlet and intends to humiliate the MSM which brought him down. Trump’s aim is to get reelected in four year’s time and in a democracy this is the strategy to do it.

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            How does anyone get elected against a machine that puts up a dementia puppet who doesn’t campaign and still wins through voter fraud.

            It doesn’t matter how popular you are if they control the media and the electronic tally. Hugo Chavez 2004 — the exit poll result of 40:60 likely flipped to 60:40.

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            Peter C

            Trump’s aim is to get reelected in four year’s time

            Where did you get that idea from EG? Trump’s aim is 4 more years in the White house From Now. He won the election in a landslide. He does not intend to give that up. If he is not in the WH he cannot begin to put things right. Fixing the mess is what he intends to do. That will wipe out a lot of villainy.

            I am not sure yet how things are going to play out.

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              el gordo

              There will be a peaceful handover and Biden become POTUS.

              The right may seethe we wuz robbed, but there won’t be a social uprising.

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                bobl

                But the legacy is an active movement on the centre right 75 million plus strong – remember the left have had the activism space pretty much to themselves. Look at the spontaneous gatherings in the middle of a pandemic. Thousands of people who think the integrity of the US is more important than their own lives. There’s a kind of civil war breaking out in the USA.

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      William Astley

      In reply to:

      “is the only person that is currently preventing or can in future prevent the certain destruction of the present form of the United States and Western Civilisation in general.”

      I agree, except this not Puppet Master (Puppet Master is responsible and pushes the Weird collection of anti-civilization ideas, such as unlimited spending) Vs Trump.

      This a coordinated attack on the US and ‘Western’ countries by the Puppet Master.

      This strange anti-civilization, politically and internet pushed and interforced, by taking over and controlling internet companies, ideologies like CAGW, BLM, no borders, no country, gender fights, indigenous claims, uncontrolled government spending on green stuff that does not work, and so on was all created to incapacitate the ‘Western’ countries.

      The strange anti-civilization ‘ideas’ are not allowed in China. There is no anti-China or anti-China plan, allowed in China and now out of China. China is threatening countries who speak the truth about covid. From the big picture this is all a evil plan to incapacitate the US and western countries. To enable China to take over the world.

      I have read a detailed ‘script’ of what is going to happen in the US. What I am saying and have said, is from that ‘script’. To date the ‘script’ has been 100% correct.

      Trump is now at arm’s length to a US Military investigation of a foreign/US plan to incapacitate the US and to interfere in the US election. The US military captured a CIA server that was located on German territory. The CIA server has information that unlocks and proves the existence of a massive coordinated evil plan that involves and was coordinated by a group in the CIA, to interfere in the US election.

      The US military is now planning and will start to release counter information that will help US citizens understand what has and is happening.

      The US Military are planning to release, their investigation’s findings including covid, to the American people mid-January. The US election is not going to be certified.

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      Richard Jenkins

      Sadly too many Republicans are in the swamp. That’s why some fear Trump. Many people should go to jail. Defeating Trump is essential to avoid prison. Hillary is not in jail because ????? Surely emails were destruction of evidence. Hunter’s emails should send both him and his daddy to jail. Quid pro Jo is on tape. FBI must explain why Hunter’s laptop did not cause exposure in January. Does that make President Harris? Trump must win to save our freedom!

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    bobl

    I’d agree, the Democrats have a massive problem Trump will go after the electoral fraud for the next two years. The rallies will go on over that time. He’ll not stop as the election is called. He’s not after the election, he’s after the swamp. He’ll shut down the cheats then he has the biggest following in history, over 75 million backers for Ivanka or Don Junior in four years…. No cheating.

    There are 75 million people now clamoring to get rid of electronic voting, 75 million watching for frawd, 75 million scrutineers and they are getting active.

    Now the attention isn’t on Trump, Biden can’t win next time without the cheating.

    Do you think Biden can retain interest of his side (given many are fakes) and take the house election in 2022 or in 2024? Do you really think he can retain 75 million plus?

    My prediction the court will hand the election to Biden in spite of the cheating and the frankly ambiguous result, just because the constitution doesn’t care about cheating. Trump will continue to knock over the cheating opportunities, tagged ballots, audited voting machines if they exist at all next time, tightened scrutineer laws / right of entry backed by force. Clean voter lists scrutinised by parties. Increased penalties for electoral fraud, here you can go to gaol for a year for each count of electoral fraud. Accountability of companies, US domiciled data secured by the courts, accountability of execs IE 6000 votes flipped by a machine means companies CEO and chairman face 6000 years in prison.

    Trump has 75 million people to ask for those things.

    My advice to the Trumps is have at it, take down the cheats for the next 4 years using rallies and your 75 million voters. Now is the priceless opportunity to hack at the swamp. Do it.

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      Crakar24

      Agree except Biden will never be president a lot of people will be shot before then just like when king George tried to take the country by force.

      I wonder if the French will weigh in again lol

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    Matty

    This interview talks about the seized servers. Sounds promising….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnZWfTVV4fY

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    Saighdear

    Uhuh, phew,….. never mix Politics with Religion ….. but what then exactly ARE, shall we say, Christian ethics? After all these years on the Planet with too much other stuff to HAVE to learn, and do, I never gave it a 2nd thought until some gonk in scotland implied that some Christian religions are more geared to Left Wing stuff ( But I am defiantly NOT) and hence the Scottish problems and not getting “off the bit” in our Politics, whether it be SNP is more Socialism.. …. Hmm so and with this affection for, by so many, for America…… who by what and where does that leave us all thinking. What then was Uncle Sam and all he stood for? and so what of Benevolence? Christian Love or Hegemonic Love? Just staring in the bottom of my empty Horlicks cup …….

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    Gbees

    I fear that the ‘old fashioned way’ does not work with the totalitarian left.

    ” … but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C.S. Lewis

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    Yonniestone

    “How do you deprogram 75 million people?” Just ask your China/CCP comrades Mr Atkins.

    Oh forgot about the 2nd Amendment, sorry Mr Atkins time for you to immigrate I guess.

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      David Maddison

      The Left intend to destroy the First and Second Amendments and don’t need a Constitutional change to do it.

      The First has already effectively been destroyed with the cooperation of the Socialist Billionaires of social(ist) media. It will only get worse without Trump.

      The destruction of the Second is already possible using a multitude of existing regulations or simply ignoring the law and Constitution as is done in New York City and State, for example.

      It’s all written up in their two operations manuals, “Rules for Radicals” by Alinsky and “1984″.

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      Lucky

      Yonniestone’s point is worth repeating- China is engaging in mass scale deprogramming. What we see has a clear objective to reduce countervailing belief and powers systems, China is not concerned if it works directly, it is the population size of dissenters which matters, dissenter population is being reduced, one way or another.

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    David Maddison

    As I mentioned above, the Left use two sources for their rule books. “Rules for Radicals” by Alinsky (1971) has the following rules, sound familiar?

    It’s like Sun Tzu’s “Art of War” (5th Century BCE) but for the National Socialists and International Socialists.

    The Rules

    “Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.”

    “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”

    “Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy.”

    “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

    “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.”

    “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”

    “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”

    “Keep the pressure on.”

    “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself. ”

    “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”

    “If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative.”

    “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”

    “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. “

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      el gordo

      “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.”

      Satire is healthy if spread evenly across the left and right, but in a world of strict political correctness there wouldn’t be much to laugh at. The right needs to develop a sense of humour and go on the attack from the get go.

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        Lance

        Therein lies the brilliance, audacity, humour, wit, and wisdom of :

        Candide – Voltaire
        Animal Farm – G. Orwell
        1984 – G. Orwell

        and, George Carlin.

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        Gbees

        Satire. That’s why the left is trying to cancel BabylonBee. It’s very effective against the moronic left.

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        mc

        “in a world of strict political correctness there wouldn’t be much to laugh at”

        Yes, i take your point but…
        In a world of strict political correctness there is no end to the lampooning and satire that can be directed at the deep and profound stupidity it promotes.

        “The right needs to develop a sense of humour”

        As for the Right needing to develop a sense of humour, have you not noticed that it is the right {and the non-partisan} from which the best humour is coming these days? Leftist humour has become lame, predictable rubbish, which is to be expected when you consider that genuine humour is unruly and pushes against social rules. The left has become a movement of ideological indoctrination within which the freedom of mind to create humour is prohibited, except for those few crowded and tedious areas approved by the arbiters of PC dogma.

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        bobl

        The right can’t attack anything, the collectivists are on the left, even your extreme supremacists are predominately collectivist IE they are socialists creatures of the left.

        The right are individualists capable of making intelligent decision for themselves. While they might group to a Common threat occasionally, they’ll atll have different ideas about it… Organising the right is like herding cats. Trump breaks through, he’s a cat herder why, because he sticks to the truth. He doesn’t lie to people and mostly does what he says. Individualists depend on truth to survive, they depend on fair trade to live. The right hate being lied to. Trump knows this, the left lie all the time, just look at the climate change rhetoric of the left.

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    Lance

    104 of 243 of the Dominion Voting Systems employees have deleted their LinkedIn accounts.
    Rats are jumping ship.

    But, not before the centipede autists at 4chan archived their LinkedIn pages:

    https://centipedenation.com/first-column/dominion-employees-delete-their-linkedin-profiles-en-masse-but-not-before-4chan-archived-them/

    Funny, that.

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    Mark D.

    “How do you deprogram 75 million people?”

    From past experience it is done by direct burial.

    Too bad for the dumbass David Atkins these intelligent 75 million are well prepared. I had hoped that his brainwashed ilk would wake up but instead they woke. Now unless they back down from these ideas and notions they are in trouble.

    Unfortunately they are too stupid to back down. Instead they will become more shrill and emboldened.

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    Crakar24

    Step one to reprogramming shutdown Twitter and face book

    Step two take a good hard look at the business models of our universities transform them from profit based to education based institutions

    Step three implement legislation that supports free speech and the rights of individuals

    That’s what you start with

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      James Murphy

      Make them accountable by removing their special privilege to be classified as a platform not a publisher. Currently, these big social media sites exercise editorial control, but cannot be penalised for it the same way a newspaper or magazine can be.

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    Small Footprint

    is there one skerrick of the claims which has not been debunked? Currently the courts have evaluated the evidence and have ruled 33 to 1 against. That one case allowed the scrutineers to be closer to the count. No claims of Fraud, rigging or tampering have been upheld

    Yet We Waz Robbed

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    Dennis

    Recommended reading, ignored by many as conspiracy theory, but nobody explains why the Keating Labor Government signed it circa 1990: UN Agenda 21, now Agenda 30.

    The Presidential Election voting fraud is part of the Agenda of the globalist left.

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    Geoffrey Williams

    Americans think that they live in a democracy. So do Europeans. But they don’t. They live in a controlled, brain washed society where people are programmed through the big government,it’s media their education and more. And they think the west has a superior system. I have my doubts.
    GeoffW

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      el gordo

      We have a superior democracy in Australia, the two major parties of the Westminster System are morphing into a unified government. The problem then is that the system breaks down because there is no Opposition, allowing corruption to prevail.

      At this point democracy would only be a facade and more amenable to international pressure.

      On climate change in the education system, its been a disgrace, but people can be reeducated with good humour and rational science.

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        Serp

        You need to have your psychopathology flushed out; “good humour and rational science” are no match for the CCP-WEF juggernaut which is rolling over us.

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          el gordo

          ‘You need to have your psychopathology flushed out …’

          Is that your professional opinion?

          ‘ … no match for the CCP-WEF juggernaut which is rolling over us.’

          We have this window of opportunity, a decade of renewed nationalism and cultural renaissance in Australia should see us laughing. Standing up to Beijing on commerce will make us more independent and even if Brussels and London abuse us over climate change, we’ll give them the finger.

          In the same way if the US under Biden threatens to punish us for not signing up tp the 2050 delusion, then the Alliance will be in tatters. The cartoonists will have a field day.

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            Serp

            Okay el gordo, again I surrender to your irrepressible optimism. Do you ever stop smiling? You’re definitely a candidate for open coffin obsequies. You’ll be the corpse that sits up at the wake and tells the best joke; rejoice, not mourn –hell let’s all kick in and charter a flight to DC for the inauguration and rejoice in style and consciously celebrate this best of all possible worlds opening up before us. Phwoar, go the winner eh.

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      Dennis

      I have long wondered about true democracy in Australia considering the events that have taken place since Australia signed on to the United Nations just after WW2.

      Former Attorney General Evatt (Labor but Communist – the split that developed and resulted in the Democratic Labor Party splitting from the ALP in the 1950s) gave his UN Comrades the plan to sign as many treaties and agreements as possible with member nations, the objective was to get around constitutional laws to impose UN based agenda.

      No reference to the people, no referendums conducted, Federal Government signed and State Governments created complimentary legislation and regulations involving local government as well.

      Agenda 21 now Agenda 30 is one of many examples. Kyoto Agreement and Paris Agreement on reducing emissions concentrating for sales and marketing purposes on Carbon Dioxide (CO2) referred to by the hoaxers as Carbon (C) pollution. From those agreements we have the transition to unreliable energy replacing reliable power station generators, electric vehicles on the list of transition, etc.

      Capitalism should be a free market allowing consumers to choose winners and losers, not woke government politicians who are globalists and socialists.

      I am sure than most who contribute here understand what the USA political issues and background are, “the swamp” and the international predators plotting to take control regardless of what the people want.

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      Crakar24

      They DO live in a democracy which is currently under threat

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    David Maddison

    Even if foreign interference with the US election can be proven, can the following executive order alter the outcome of the election? It appears to only provide sanctions against those foreign parties who did the interference. Is that correct?

    Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election

    FOREIGN POLICY

    Issued on: September 12, 2018

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

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    Ever wondered if there’s a lesson to be learned from all of this.

    I made two very long term friends in the U.S. from, of all places, The Mothers Car Care Forum, where people would write and tell of their experiences and use of the Mothers Car Care products.

    Outside of that Forum, the three of us would share emails on a daily basis, and with my good friend Bob who lived in Stockton California, that sharing of emails was three or four, plus, on every day for 16 years, and he only passed away in the last year. With Forrest, it was at least two or three emails a week. None of those emails was related to car care, all about our ways of life, and everything else. I learned about the U.S. and they learned about Oz. (and they loved how we call it Oz, and WHY we refer to it like that, the International three letter Country designator AUS, pronounced as Oz)

    When I told them how our elections went, they were literally astonished, not the fact that everyone was relatively happy with how they were run, the fact that voting was compulsory, done on Saturdays, wait in line, preferential, etc etc, but the thing they were most astonished by was ….. that it actually worked.

    Perhaps in all this situation with the U.S. there is a lesson which can be learned. Get your name ticked off, place a number in every square with a pencil, drop it in the box. Count every vote, and do it all by hand, every step in the whole process.

    It may be simple, it may be from the ark, it may be basic, but it works.

    No computers, and different types of computers, no programs, no State control of all parts of the process, nothing like any of that which can be ‘altered’ or played around with, or covered up.

    Just a simple basic manual system like we have here, that is so maligned everywhere, and that the left wants to so desperately change so many things about it all.

    Like a lot of people here, I fear for the future.

    Everyone hopes the U.S. situation can be turned around.

    I don’t think it will be. I think that then, Harris and the extreme left will soon find a reason to take over, they will institute their ….. ‘lists’ of those who they perceive are of the wrong ideology, they will have their ‘friends’ they have set up in every part of society, the media, the education system, control of everything online, Hollywood, TV, and they will come down on anything to do with what they will then term Conservative, no matter what, and they will then marginalise everyone else who even thinks that way, and there will be no need for elections any more. This will be the last chance election if they let all of this pass.

    They’ll just do whatever they want to, and what their masters tell them to do, and any of use who are left who disagree will be a little like we are now, thinking that there is absolutely nothing we can do.

    No matter how right we are.

    Tony.

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    Great Aunt Janet

    It seems impolite to mention it, but apparently sex works in the re-education process. For a current example, see the incredible new positions taken by Boris Johnson, after the influence of his Carrie. Wind powered cars etc. Someone should mention that to Mr Atkins. If we have to be governed by the left, at least we could get something out of it.

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      Crakar24

      Hitler playbook……I won’t ask you to detail the parallels between the two because it know you can’t.

      BTW recently trump orchestrated one the greatest peace deals in world history I don’t think Hitler was any good at that.

      People like you should be permanently banned for hate speech

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      James Murphy

      Stephen @ Aus, the more extreme your words and examples, the less substantial your evidence must be. Keep going, you don’t need help making yourself look foolish.

      I’m still yet to see how someone who, despite starting his term by devolving into a typical US government war-pig, is now actively removing troops from foreign countries, and has been involved in various peace deals. Seems to be following up on election promises…

      Can you point out hard evidence to show that he has promoted one race over another, or has denigrated people based on their gender, religion, or sexual preference, or has persecuted political rivals? Is trump perfect? No. Has he made some ridiculous statements and mistakes? yes. Is he a totalitarian dictator? I am yet to see anything to show that he is.

      Hard evidence, by the way, does not include opinion pieces by journalists activists who directly profit from publishing anti-trump pieces…

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    RossP

    If, like me you only knew of Sidney Powell due to her work for Gen Flynn, here is an interesting backgrounder to tell us all that President Trump has real fighter working for him. She must have a huge team (or a very efficient team ) with her to able to produce what she has already.

    https://stream.org/i-know-sidney-powell-she-is-telling-the-truth/

    This small twitter audio from an interview with Howie Carr from News Max is a real mind blower

    https://twitter.com/anonpatriotq/status/1329982466665361409

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    Louise

    Just saw a tweet saying Rudy and Jenna Ellis have tested positive for C-19. This is devastating on multiple levels. Hope both get the same level of treatment as Potus and pull through quick.

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    Another Ian

    “Vegas Oddsmaker Says, “The Fix Was In, Trump Was Robbed, This Election Was Stolen” ”

    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/vegas-oddsmaker-says-the-fix-was-in-trump-was-robbed-this-election-was-stolen/

    Via Tip of the Spear

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    Another Ian

    “Best performance by a Democrat in a nursing home massacre

    Posted on 2:56 pm, November 21, 2020 by currencylad

    And the winner is: Andrew Cuomo to receive Emmy award for televised Covid briefings.”

    https://catallaxyfiles.com/2020/11/21/best-performance-by-a-democrat-in-a-nursing-home-massacre/

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    RossP

    A cut and paste of a post from a US site sums up the situation well.

    “To believe Biden won, you need to believe that over 88% of the population of states like Georgia and PA registered to vote.

    You have to believe that 78% of those registered across the state actually did vote. In many cases breaking previous records for turnout by 20%.

    You have to believe that Biden could get more votes, despite Republican candidates across the state getting between 500k and 750k more votes than Democrats in total in house races.

    You have to believe that 100% of Democrats voted for Biden, plus 70% of independents, and 20% of Republicans in various swing states.

    You have to believe one million more people voted in PA than Ohio, despite having nearly the same number of registered voters and demographics. 97% of those extra one million, voting for Biden.

    Also to note is that every bellwether county other than one, with some never being wrong since 1964, got this one wrong.”

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    MP

    A little vid on another angle of the computer fraud.

    all the links are attached but you can follow them via the screen.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/DGWxw6iFOSp8/

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      Serp

      Sad to report youtube-dl is not able to download this stream a circumstance which I find curious since it’s fine with facebook videos; further investigation required…

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    MP

    Influence Watch keeps track of orgs and such.

    A little Known not for profit, controlled by the usual suspects.
    https://www.influencewatch.org/?s=voting+works

    Below is the first two from the above link

    https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/voting-works/
    https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/the-voting-information-project/

    I posted a vid on these crooks, but its in Guantanamo bay

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    Tarquin Wombat-Carruthers

    So where was it that 350% of eligible votes managed to cast a vote? That would be in a red state, right? Yeah! Sure! Nothing untoward with that! It is a mere anomaly!

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    tom0mason

    “How do you deprogram 75 million people?”

    Winston Smith knew …

    They have devices, just keep watching the screens for all the official news, history, and information.
    Also embrace the government’s official cryptocurrency banking, and get your regular ‘inoculations’ because the new big government cares.

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    MP

    You keep going down, take it the comment was removed and they left you hanging

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