A wind farm near Emerald, Queensland (ABC)
By Jo Nova
Turns out National Policy is set by Namecalling…
Finally, twenty years too late, some Greens admit that wind farms and renewables damage the wilderness they wanted to save, but they’ve stayed silent because they are afraid they’ll be called a climate denier.
People may have missed this significant turning point in The Australian ten days ago. Because climate change is essentially a grossly exaggerated scam, it levitates on billions of dollars and a layer-cake of coercion and intimidation. And so it goes that the economic craziness is tearing the Liberals apart, but the environmental destruction is tearing the Greens apart too.
Never underestimate the power of petty put-downs. Many on both sides didn’t speak up because they didn’t want to sound stupid, or selfish or “far right”.
If the Greens had spoken up against the dehumanizing petty names, instead of staying silent or joining in the namecalling bonfire, we wouldn’t be killing so many eagles and whales and cutting down trees “to save the planet”. Let’s not forget, saving the animals and trees is supposed to be the driving force of The Greens, yet they were willing to look the other way, or ignore something if the social cost was too high.
Wait til they find out they’ve been helping the bankers….
Environmentalists at war over wilderness in ruins
By Matthew Denhold, The Australian, September 12th 2025
Major fault lines have emerged in the environment movement over the renewables rollout, with peak groups accused of turning a blind eye to “biodiversity-destroying” projects, while a senior campaigner likens its impacts on nature to the industrial revolution.
Veteran conservationist and former federal Greens leader Christine Milne told The Australian peak environmental non-government organisations were too “frightened” to oppose renewables projects.
If only the horrible people on The Right hadn’t already opposed wind farms, it wouldn’t have been so hard for the Greens to protest:
“The reason that the larger groups have got to this point is because the right in Australia oppose renewable energy.
“And so the environment movement have been reluctant to stand up and say ‘well, actually, on this particular wind farm or this particular transmission line it’s not appropriate’. They are frightened of being categorised in climate denier (terms) …”
Not quite at the state of accepting personal responsibility then…
Bullying is such a widespread problem — even the campaign director of the Wilderness Society has quit recently because of the bad behaviour and the dire threat of industrial renewables:
Ms Milne’s intervention comes as Wilderness Society national campaigns director Amelia Young quits the group after almost 20 years, citing “intolerable … attitudes and behaviours” – and warning of a dire threat to nature posed by the renewables rollout.
“The renewables revolution threatens nature in many of the same extractive and colonial ways that the industrial revolution did,” Ms Young told colleagues in a farewell email, obtained by The Australian.
It’s amazing the effect namecalling has. It’s not just a schoolyard thing, social mockery and ostracism keeps adults in line very effectively.
Christine Milne talks about the city versus country divide within the Greens. Often it’s the rural locals who are opposing the destruction and the city based NGO’s wont help. The the traditional Greens find themselves on the nasty end of their own activist inner city Green forms of bullying:
“To denigrate those people as just Nimbys or anti-global action on climate is just wrong, and it just alienates people.”
Perhaps if the Greens didn’t teach their underlings to smear and attack everyone for fantasies like “fossil fueled funding” they might foster a healthier community of their own?
It’s interesting, isn’t it, that the climate denier insult worked even better on the Greens (and for longer) than it did on the skeptics
If the Greens had spoken against the bullies, they wouldn’t have just helped skeptics, they’d have set themselves free. Everyone would have been able to speak, and we’d all have figured out unreliable low density generators were not going to stop the storms or cancel the floods, or save the spotted quoll. And most importantly, we’d have realized that it isn’t about left and right, but about the people versus the parasitic Blob.
And that’s the thing the Blob is most afraid of — the left and the right talking to each other. (Vale Charlie, eh?!)
ht Old Ozzie and El Gordo
The Greens are against windfarms, notably former Greens leaders Christine Milne and Dr Bob Brown. More specifically they want location of windmills to be subject to local approval, so just NIMBYism on steroids. That way they can be against fossil fuels, for windmills and for the environment. You could just call it blatant hypocrisy. Destroy the National Parks, landscapes and farms, just not any near me.
Like the upper middle class Teals who enjoy all the benefits of running their expensive, super heavy electric cars on everyone else’s coal power and distribution systems and roads while getting all the discounts and registration and tax exemptions as if they are the environmental good guys, not the total users they are. And where do they pump up their tyres? Again for free at the local petrol station. More privilege and hypocrisy posing as decency and caring.
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Probably had something to do with the fact that the Teals have essentially taken over the Greens role in the climate change wars. That now the Greens are the bit players, not the heavy hitters they once were. As usual, with politics either follow the money or the votes.
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But the Teals campaign for election as independent candidates, the truth is that they are backed by so called renewables lobby groups of vested interests like Climate 200 and related organisations.
Teals campaign for environment no doubt to target Green environmental voters but renewables are environmental vandalism increasing and so far not even reaching the Renewable Energy Target 32%, now 82%.
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Hard-nosed, life time politicians resort to name calling constantly because the know it works, even against other long term politicians.
I, like a lot of others not chasing votes, wear such insults as a badge of honour: If THEY are abusing me I must be saying something right.
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So, no one will insult you if you are saying something wrong?
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[Hanrahan is suggesting that the abuse is inserted when there is no rebuttal to being right. Let’s not drag this off topic. (I say that for those contemplating a reply too) – Raquel]
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The so called concerned Greens are still wrong about the Industrial Rev, because it saved the trees and forests of Britain and around the world and obviously saved the whales as well.
Human life expectancy has increased from 28.5 years to about 74 years today and population from 1 billion in 1800 to 8.2 billion today.
Deaths from extreme weather events have dropped by 98% over the last 100 years and yet these liars and con merchants continue to lie.
When will they stop lying and wake up?
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England would be like Easter Is. if they had continued building wooden ships and promptly putting cannon balls through them.
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Before the first steam engine Ireland was green with trees as was (parts) of Finland. Trees for heating as well as ships.
The steam engine made coal mining more profitable (and somewhat saved the trees).
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Well done to Christine for belatedly confirming what conservatives have been saying for years, that problems are generally made worse because the Left won’t approve a cure if the cure has been invented by the Right. In other words, climate boondoggling is in essence just like rape gangs in Rotherham: it’s all about who you barrack for.
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Don’t forget, Bob Brown, founder of the Greens in Australia, got his start in Tasmania opposing a large renewable energy project – Gordon Below Franklin Hydro, a project with a 100 year working life, unlike to 20 year life of solar and batteries and 25 year life of wind generators.
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Garry,
What should people believe about this Gordon below Franklin history? Which of these two scenarios is more important?
Was it an example of avoiding harm to the environment, or of stopping an expansion of much-needed electricity for Tasmania?
There was so much dubious rhetoric that a neutral observer finds it hard to decide and so (possibly) decide how to judge similar future examples in other locations. Geoff S
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Some years ago I joined the Wilderness Society as a response to local issues – namely the culling of old growth forest ( Chaelundi) and the damage by bulldozing. It was a good cause in my view and a bad operation in the name of timber workers locally. I voted Bob Brown in the Senate. Fortunately there was a good outcome, but some of the methods used were dangerous – namely idiots who insisted on bringing their children and infants and putting them in harms way – others spiked logs with metal rods. I also got involved in the wider politics and found that the innocence had gone and the Society and other green groups were overrun by odious types who run the organisation like the Politburo. We all wish for better outcomes for nature but one wonders about the motives of some.
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This post fits the local Audubon Society, and I think the national organization {“supports wind farms and solar power as part of a transition away from fossil fuels“}. I go to the local meetings when they announce a speaker that sounds interesting. Otherwise, I do not want to be associated with their name and positions.
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More positions than the Kama Sutra?
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It is possible to evaluate all Kama Sutra positions in a lifetime and so be informed to avoid the epithet of “position denier”. Drawback – it takes some further study to work out what each position is because the translation is “hard” reading.
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That photo represents environmental vandalism.
What a disgrace.
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Imagine the unholy shrieking rumpus from the professional outragists on the Left had that windfarm been built by the Right.
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The cognitive dissonance of many in the Left has been on full display in recent years. Just recently, protesters who have been lamenting the loss of lives in Gaza suddenly lose their sense of compassion and openly celebrate the death of Charlie Kirk.
I was reminded of how many Lefties stated that they wished Joe Rogan would die when he caught covid a few years ago because he was an anti-vaxxer. Unfortunately for them, Rogan had a few unorthodox therapeutics in his medicine cabinet and made a quick recovery. Rogan had only said that he didn’t think young healthy people didn’t need to be vaccinated, but that view was distorted by MSM media and the Leftist sheep lapped it up.
Now we see them bestowed with an unwavering confidence in a climate change narrative rooted in pseudoscience. Climate denier is the new anti-vaxxer- any person that opposes their view is an irrational unhinged enemy of humanity…
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In fact our clueless Greens want stronger action on their so called climate crisis and want even more toxic, unreliable W & S and built at a faster rate.
Here’s a quote from their site and they would stop all of our reliable, BASELOAD Coal and Gas ASAP and leave Aussies with no national security at all.
The extra TRILLIONs of $ cost would have to be paid back and ordinary Aussies and pensioners would have to suffer the consequences.
Here’s the Green’s idiotic quote.
“SEND LABOR A MESSAGE: CLIMATE AMBITION, NOW!”
Labor has given up on the science and caved in to their coal and gas donors”.
“Just this month, they’ve approved a coal mine extension, approved the North West shelf — the biggest new fossil fuel project in the Southern Hemisphere — and they’ve set a climate target that their coal and gas donors will love.
That’s not ambition, that’s betrayal. Now is the time to send the government a message.
We need climate ambition, not more coal and gas”.
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“ climate ambition “
or as NZ Greens say: ambushin’
as in, ‘Me and my comrades, hiding in plain sight, are planning on ambushin’ the 90% of New Zealanders who never voted for us, coz we are on the left-right left-right [wrong!] side of herstory’ – to paraphrase their C-grade English as the loudest, whackiest ones are foreign-born recent arrivals with an attitude.
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I’m laughing my R’s off. Texas has over 100 pending applications for power generation plants. If there’s a gas pipeline and an electrical substation somewhat close together, there’ll be an application for an electrical generator. Companies that manufacture turbine generators are currently booked solid for at least the next three years. If and when the blackouts start in earnest in Australia, there’s not going to be a quick fix.
There was an article in Master Resource the other day which stated that AI is expected to use 20% of the electricity generated within the decade. The Labor party might talk an optimistic game on AI, but it’s not going anywhere in Australia without the reliable, dependable electrical infrastructure. Good job Bowen. Australian industry is not just stagnant but going backwards while other countries (think China and now the USA) are powering ahead. Europe is finally starting to realize the mess it’s gotten itself into. Net Zero is sending Germany, France and the UK back to the Dark Ages.
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A couple of days ago I watched the Sky documentary on energy for the second time, presented by journalist Chris Uhlmann.
Images and a map of existing and planned wind and solar locations revealed the hidden from most Australians environmental vandalism underway, access roads, hilltops flattened, transmission line corridors and even forests destroyed along the Great Dividing Range and elsewhere.
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Not to mention clubbed koalas.
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It makes no sense to build so many wind and solar installations and replace tried and proven power stations each with established locations, water supply and existing transmission lines based on not at all free energy and no emissions.
Nuclear power stations offer zero emissions and power station generator efficiency and controlled supply.
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Hele coal fired power stations are state of the art until fusion power kicks in.
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While Renew Economy tells us that Aussies will need 100 times more energy in the future they also claim that W & S would cost up to 9 TRILLION $.
Here’s the quote from their site and note they have 23 September 2025 date at the top of their page.
So do any of our bloggers think we could afford this toxic 9 TRILLION $ lunacy?
And who wants to pay for the replacement every 15 to 20 years?
“Australia will need nearly three terrawatts, or 3,000 gigawatts, of wind and solar if it is to meet its goal of a net zero economy by 2030, a plan that could cost up to $9 trillion, according to a new study”.
“The astonishing numbers are revealed in a new report – Net Zero Australia – put together by Melbourne University, the University of Queensland, and the Nous Group, and released on Wednesday”.
“To put the 3,000 gigawatts of wind and solar in some context, Australia currently only has about 30GW of large scale wind and solar across the country. So it has a lot to do”.
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“Emissions Impossible”, staring a cast of Muppets – AirBus Albo, Blackout Bowen, Wenny Pong, Dim Jim, Tony the Burke, Murray T Watt and a load of others.
It’s an XXX rated Horror movie that goes nowhere fast.
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I calculated AUD1.5tr to do solar/battery for just electricity.
The light vehicle fleet runs to about 20M. To get BEVs for that requires another trillion. Then the charging infrastructure another 1.5tr.
So total there is only AUD4tr. By then there is no industry other than mining that will primarily run on gas and diesel. It would be feasible to spend another trillion or so on water electrolysis to make gas but even Blackout is coming around to the view that that would be pointless.
The whole thing will end within the next decade and Australia will get back to replacing clapped out coal fired plants with more modern versions.
The reason why I know it will collapse is because Australia will become a laughing stock of the countries that abandoned netzero. Also rooftops will prevail over grid wind and solar causing grid scale wind and solar to be uneconomic. This is becoming obvious to many now.
AEMO are now promoting virtual power stations based on rooftop solar and battery because they can see the cost of new transmission lines and their environmental hurdles are too high to be serious options. Rooftops are their only option now.
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Rooftops are their only option now.
with luck a few more open air car parks will get partial roofs as a result. Meaning less heat into the car during the afternoon….
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Rick,
President Trump has just addressed the UN with 58 minutes alleging an international climate change con and predicting woes for any country continuing net zero plans.
Australian politicians would be extremely risky if they react by doubling down. Interesting times ahead.
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A quote from a Quadrant article today. It resonates with Jo’s thread today.
“Prime Minister Albanese and his Ministers have mastered the art of personal attack—a tactic that may work in trade union circles or in the corridors of Canberra, but it has no place in science or policymaking. This approach has led to financial waste and social division. As a father, grandfather, and geologist with decades of experience in sedimentary geology, I care deeply about maintaining our living standards and believe decisions should be grounded in evidence-based reasoning, not personal bias or political allegiance.”
https://quadrant.org.au/news-opinions/doomed-planet/the-climate-mind-virus/
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The really crushingly stupid component of Labor government is the insistence upon allocating portfolios according to factional allegiance. Victoria’s treasurer recently went to New York to plead with the ratings agencies for no further downgrades and being economically ignorant was obliged to take the head of the Premier’s department with her to argue a case.
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A good article but the authors shows he does not understand precession of the orbit. It is THE driver of Earth’s climate with obliquity and eccentricity modulating factors for precession of the orbit.
Over the past million years, each time the NH has been largely ice free, glaciation followed the increasing peak solar intensity in the NH. The heating began around 1700 in the current cycle. Greenland is already gaining altitude.
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Fair enough. I’m way behind a lot of the regulars on this blog, playing catch up all the time. It took a pandemic for me to start asking questions about what other areas of the media and science have been hijacked.
I guess the one point I want to emphasise is that so many politicians react to name calling. As soon as Dutton, during the last election campaign, or Ley (right now) are described as a climate denier they scramble to create an impression that they are nothing as such.
Most of us, once we left school, don’t put any emphasis on name calling.
An open discussion on long term historic weather phenomena will not persuade the average person that climate change isn’t man made. Unless someone high-profile refutes their position….
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Again the CSIRO and ABC tell us a large Nuclear power stn would cost 8.5 billion $ and I’ll round that up to 10 billion $.
Therefore 70 billion $ to cover the Coalition’s Nuclear power plan for Australia compared to 7000 to 9000 billion $ for Labor’s toxic, unreliable W & S + batteries plans by 2035.
So can anyone tell us why we should choose Labor’s toxic, unreliable W & S lunacy over reliable and safe Nuclear power plants?
IOW why should Aussies have to pay 100 to 128 times for Labor’s toxic, unreliable lunacy and destroy thousands of klms of our environments as well?
And then replace this ongoing toxic Labor mess every 15 to 20 years?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-22/nuclear-power-double-the-cost-of-renewables/103868728
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No one thinks the Labor Party/Greens are trying to improve our power supply. Or even replace what we have. We are being shut down, manufacturing first. Blowing up working power stations and replacing them with windmills and solar panels is beyond stupid. Tens of billions of our money down the toilet, no more than the Snowy II disaster. Chemical industries closing, no plastics or fertilizer. Car manufacture gone. Electronics near non existent. Manufacturing, the use of cheap energy and materials to make things we can sell, as dead as a dead thing. New employment is 80% government, faking it.
Then Albanese’s absurd involvement in Israeli politics, as if Australia has any business in the Middle East. The politics of the Middle East go back 10,000 years while we have been around for 124 years and our PM and Mr Wong are in New York talking as if Australia is a big player. As Lee Kwan Yew said to an Australian reporter, you dig it out of the ground or grow it on the backs of sheep. You have no business here telling us how to run our country. So Albanese and Wong are prancing around New York as if they are anything more than a side show. Trump would rather talk to nuclear powered dictators than two clowns from Australia. The Ambassador will tell Trump they don’t matter and they don’t.
As for the Greens, it’s an international coalition of useful idiots led by devout communists like Adam Bandt. As is the Labour party, Trots, Marxists, Stalinists, petty dictators all. And trying to blow up AUKUS on behalf of their friends in China as if a 36% vote gives them an absolute mandate to do what they like, regardless of the other 2/3 of the country.
What I will deny is that Albanese and Wong speak for any more than a third of Australians and even half of the people who voted for them. They have no right to wreck the place and our long standing alliances. Without the US we would all be speaking Japanese. Deny that.
And nothing these two say about energy, security, manufacturing, exports, tariffs, climate or international relations has any basis in reality. More like unhinged unrepresentative rabble . Deny that.
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Can any Greens or Labor person answer this question?
W & S + batteries must fail, so how do you recharge them and how do we recover from a blackout?
Don’t forget Nuclear has a capacity factor of 93% and wind just 24% and solar about 15%. See Wikipedia.
So how do we recover from a W & S drought?
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The Australian”. Just now. Joe Kelly.
“Chris Bowen has taken aim at climate change denialism on the global stage as he promoted Australia’s 62-70 per cent 2035 emissions reduction in New York, saying it would usher in a “revolution” in both power generation and consumption.
Australia’s Climate Change and Energy Minister sounded the alarm on new forms of denialism while attending Climate Week in New York – the world’s largest annual climate event held in partnership with the United Nations General Assembly – where he was accompanied by ambassador Kevin Rudd along with climate advocates from across the world, business figures and global leaders.”
Also in the Australian, Human Rights Commission: climate action ‘urgent’ and Labor must regulate on ‘misinformation’ by Noah Yim
So any idea that the World Leading team of Alabanese and Bowen are not across “the science’ may be subject to legal action by the AHRC.
“The Australian Human Rights Commission told the government “false narratives (on climate change) distort public understanding, erode trust in science and institutions and delay urgent climate action”
We are living in a country ruled absolutely by people who do not tolerate disagreement.
Apparently I could be arrested for disagreeing on matters of science with people with Economics degrees. Science denialism will not be tolerated by Albanese, Wong, Bowen or Chalmers, geniuses all.
We are heading to a police state under the Labor/Green coalition with 36% primary vote. Why not just outlaw other parties? Though hardly necessary with extreme Green leader Sussan Ley who has moved left of the Labor party.
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The pendulum has reached the limit of its swing to the left.
As it comes back, accelerating all the way, it will be a wrecking ball for lefty green ideology.
Trump has united the resistance in the MAGA movement and it will spread around the world.
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‘ … and it will spread around the world.’
Highly unlikely.
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OHHH….Australias woke gullible leftist loony GREENS are upset because the ruinables baby they gave birth to has turned into an environmentally destructive MONSTER!….BWAHAHA…So instead of the LOONY GREENS “saving the planet ” they are the architects of its environmentally DESTRUCTION!….BWAHAHA.How F…G moronic can you get? Now we wait for the Hollyweird movie “GREENS ARMAGEDDON “
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Interesting, isn’t it that Bob Brown and the Greens got their start pointlessly (if successfully) protesting against dams in Tasmania – which would have modified the environment somewhat by adding an artificial lake – beautiful and recreational as well as generating clean green electrical power- where one hadn’t been created by nature.
But now they support grotesque and vastly extensive scarring of the landscape, destroying communities, native flora and fauna to enable square kilometers of solar panels, “forests” of bird-killing windmills visible for scores of miles…
…and all for nothing (because of their intermittent nature, they retire very little traditional generation), costing billions upon billions of dollars (which could have supported health and/or social services).
The greens have been taken for a ride by anarchists with an entirely different agenda…and now, 40 years later, some are begin8ng to see they’ve been taken for utter fools.
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Why are windmills called “turbines” … because it sells these monsters to the techno geeks as “new”
Why are windmills called “environmental” … because it sells these monsters to the idiot eco-nutters
Why are windmills called “free” … because it sells this most costly way to create energy and make money to economically illiterate politicians.
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Serfs call them landscape destroyers.
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My wife Colleen and I have just entered the class of great grandparents. A tiny, lovely daughter was born to a granddaughter.
We have been called “climate deniers” but we seem old enough and wise enough to regard such epithets as water off the duck’s back.
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Congratulations Geoff! Great news. Wow!
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Jo and other nice people,
We have not experienced the GGP state for long enough to recommend for or against attaining it yourselves. But, it is one big event in personal life that is not debatable or even able to be classed as good or bad because it is mainly beyond control.
I add that the many, many “client deniers” that we have met are not “bad” people. They have been normal people acting normally, many of them well qualified scientists doing what scientists do – forever challenging the prevailing wisdom to improve it. I can’t knock that. One such denier from interstate and his lovely wife are visiting us again this arvo for an enjoyable catchup.
Overnight, President Trump addressed the United Nations. I have not had time to hear his speech, which is being reported as an anti UN, anti climate change harangue. Looking forward to comments on JoNova.
The President yesterday covered aspects of immunisation of babies, so that is relevant to new GGP folk like us. I shall risk a discussion of differences by recommending the replies listen to what he and his medical specials said.
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That’s lovely Geoff! You have joined a great club.
We are great grandparents twice over. One boy and one girl to our eldest grandson. Unfortunately for us, they live in England so our visits are rare but our grandson sends us photos of them.
We hope that all the climate nonsense is long gone by the time these lovely little children grow up.
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The Greenies blaming the sceptics for getting there first.
Now that’s what you call ironical.
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[snip. LVA]
The roll out of renewables instead of nuclear has been particularly insidious and some of the greatest critics have been natural lefties who have turned eg Shellingberger and Patrick Moore. Ironically if the renewables roll out had been entirely replaced by a nuclear roll out even skeptics like myself who argue about the integrity of the claims that the world is in fact warming or that CO2 is dangerous or that we actually needed to change anything in the delivery of energy woould at least concede that a nuclear based energy system is a harmless exercise that an economy can thrive with, whereas renewables actually have no redeeming features whatsoever.
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Had the Greens had any balls, the whole idea of solar and wind on the grid could have been stopped before it started.
These are for ‘last mile’ applications only, where the grid does not make sense. eg bore filled dams for watering animals. Remote aboriginal communities (instead of shutting them down).
But instead, the pollies got their net zero dreams and new ribbons to cut on the solar and wind farms – new capital is fun, maintenance is boring
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