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Show this in schools: The CCP in 2020 banning doctors spreading illegal rumors of pneumonia

This is a pre-packed lesson in free speech:


How do we know when it’s propaganda — when all the news readers speak with one voice.

What’s the difference between the Western doctors and the CCP-docs? About a year. AHPRA are the communist party of medicine in Australia. Instead of banning doctors who talked about a new form of pneumonia, AHPRA bans doctors who talk about cheap treatments or problems with vaccines. What’s the difference?

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102 comments to Show this in schools: The CCP in 2020 banning doctors spreading illegal rumors of pneumonia

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    Annie

    What is truth?

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      Peter C

      I actually believe in Objective Truth!

      It was a shock when I found that science is Not the Truth.
      I mistakenly believed that science was objective and the findings from experiments would reveal the Truth. I have not given up on that but it has been a profound disappointment to find that that scientists are no more trustworthy that any other part of society.

      Human affairs are even more opaque than the the processes of Nature.

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        PeterS

        Spot on. It’s amazing that so many out there don’t believe in objective truth. Instead they believe it’s all relative, which is of course nonsense. It’s the root cause of most of our problems.

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        Here’s what serfs think…

        There is a real world:’I think therefore I am etc.’

        There is truth pertaining to this real world
        -(not some phantasmagoria percolating through
        human minds.)
        Truth! We do our best to grasp it but at second hand
        and with our P.O.V biases.

        Some among us, curious rather than jest incredulous,
        evolved the scientific method, operant despite human
        subjectivity, great when we manage to follow it-
        like Einstein and Feynman and Aircraft investigations-
        an industry that has to rely on remedying flaws in order
        to maintain the confidence of it’s clients.

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        Science is objective when it conforms to the scientific method. Unfortunately, most people are easily fooled, especially when burdened with conformance to a political ideology that’s in conflict with the scientific truth.

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        Earl

        There is an element of serpent in all of us which some keep in check with the help of scripture (not necessarily found exclusively through any form of religion) while others unprepared and unknowing in ways of containment become apprentices to it.

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      Forrest Gardener

      There are many standards for statements of truth. The most useful relate to objective truth as once held sway in the sciences. Less useful are statements which do not contradict objective statements of truth. Then come personal truths which can neither be verified nor refuted. And so on down to political rhetoric.

      So it is useful to look for the integrity of the person who claims to be telling the truth.

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        Annie

        Yes, I spoke in despair at all the supposed ‘truths’ being pushed at us. When everyone on ‘the box’ says exactly the same thing, my immediate thought is ‘here we go, more mantras to bamboozle the gullible’.
        I particularly bristle at people making self-regarding statements about ‘my truth’.
        There is truth and there is falsity.

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    Mark Allinson

    “What’s the difference?”

    No real difference at all – at one stroke in early 2020 most of them the “freedom-loving nations” of the West vanished entirely, replaced by pale copies of the Chinese CCP system.

    And within the next few years the finishing touches will be made to our cyber prison – a copy of the CCP “Social Credit” system.

    It is coming, no matter which way you vote because all votes inevitably lead down the same garden path to one-world Communism.

    Those who didn’t like the way Morrison handled the beginning of the conversion process will now have a chance to make things immeasurably worse by putting the Communist ALP in government.

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    What have schools got to do with this?

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      Mark Allinson

      Try organising any State School at any year level to accept a screening of this video.

      They will all refuse and you will have your answer.

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      Honk R Smith

      Schools are where you install the software for the collective.
      Genius really.
      You get your adversary to birth, clothe, feed and educate your occupation army.
      Wait patiently.
      Chatted with a college student lately?
      If not, approach with caution.

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      Kalm Keith

      I totally agree.
      Kids should go straight to University.

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      Every kid in the West should know that censorship is what losers and evil people do.

      When are health data secrets ever healthy?

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        RobB

        Unfortunately, the censors do not seem to be losing…

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        Honk R Smith

        Unfortunately kids have been taught to fear ‘hate’ and ‘carbon’ above all else.
        Next comes Western values.
        ‘Censorship’ is some antiquated thing bigoted Grandpa mutters about.
        Something only of concern to ‘Western’ values.
        (Note: I live walking distance from a very upscale University.)

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        Peter Fitzroy

        srsly, there is censorship everywhere, for example there are topics and words which are unable to be posted on this site, else the robot censor will block the post

        “Every kid in the West should know that censorship is what losers and evil people do.”

        where does that place this site

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          Forrest Gardener

          Seriously PF. Don’t come the raw prawn. On this site you, GI and one or two others are a protected species.

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            Just more hypocritical fog from Peter. We’ve published 101 comments of him since March 23rd and more than 5,000 all told, yet he complains about censorship.

            Dear Peter, most of the laws like Section 18C that restrain your voice here are pet projects of the left. If censorship bothers you, what are you doing to stop the politicians you say you admire from making it worse? It appears you quite like Section 18C. It means we have to “police” some keywords here, then you can complain “we” are censoring you.

            That allows you to “equate” the minor non-ideological weeding every blog site has to do, plus forced lefty-censorship, and pretend that is the same as state sanctioned censorship where whole careers are threatened.

            Self evidently, we allow you to criticize us, therefore you have free speech here. Thank you for your contribution to showing how wrong you are.

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              b.nice

              We love that you do, Jo. 🙂

              It allows him to self-expose the moral and mental turpitude of the standard sub-mediocre leftist, to anyone watching.

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          el+gordo

          ‘Where does that place this site?’

          Between a rock and a hard place. During the racial vilification period we were forbidden to use words that the ABC printed in bold.

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          Bozotheclown

          where does that place this site [? SIC]

          Very tragic that you need to ask that.

          Compatibility being important, Why are you here?

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          b.nice

          “where does that place this site”

          Basically every bit of so-called “censorship” on this site, seems to be to avoid issues with leftist self-victimisation.

          ie legal problems due to leftist complaining.

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      R.B.

      Continuing my rant down below, I was a substitute teacher in North Fitzroy. A very lefty area of Melbourne. I went into a Y9 class where they wasted a some lessons on making posters on the conflict between the RC and science, all using the example of how the Catholic Church tried to convince Columbus that the world was flat. Pure communist style propaganda to tell a lie often and for as long as it took to become the truth. Not one student bothered to check the numerous books and encyclopedias in the library that told them that it was made up history. The other teachers got angry at me for asking the students why they were taught that when it wasn’t true.

      Once they got over it and I had some good lessons, I had a conversation about getting more work there, but a short term contract popped out of nowhere at an all girls Catholic school. I took it but then, too late, I found out that I was being set up. The principals best friend’s daughter worked as a receptionist there. Her step father was a drug dealer for a bikie gang and her step brother was later convicted of a drug related murder and assaults (and suspected hit man of other murders). The teachers might not have known this but they knew that the three would go to night clubs to suck young males in for a beating to “protect” her (one of the younger teachers who was an old school friend was invited to join them. She was disgusted but hadn’t warned me). They were protected by the local corrupt police, so when this happened to me, I was threatened with being charged with assault for throwing his head through a plasterboard wall even though I had just been head butted and punched, needing 9 stitches in my lip.

      Pretty sure that if most of those teachers and police read this that they would say that it was extremely immoral, but they are sheep trying to earn a living so they played along with it. The union wouldn’t protect them for being moral, both the teachers and police.

      That is where we are as a country, all the result of needing to save us from what made the country one of the best in the world has put grubs into roles that that are supposed to stop this medieval s%t.

      As an aside, there was a member of this bicycle gang in Adelaide who was supposed to be executed. They planned to machine gun him in a cafe in Norwood but were caught by police. Amazing that that there are police who would look after such grubs. Good thing that we made guns illegal!

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      What a lot of non answers.

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        b.nice

        “What a lot of non answers.”

        Seems you have been counting your own posts.

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        R.B.

        I’ll make it simple. You can’t rely on teachers to do the right thing if it’s going against authority, even when it’s obvious that they should.

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    Graeme+P.

    I spoke to a local lady earlier today regarding the massive blood clots she got from her 2nd shot. Her doctor told her the booster that her work is pressuring her to have is very likely going to kill her and yet the doctor refuses to write an exemption for fear of what it would to to his career. This is where we are at.

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      David Maddison

      She or her lawyers should write to her employer that she does not consent to or want the injection but is doing only under duress to keep her job and they will be responsible for adverse effects.

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    Erasmus

    Couldn’t happen here. Oh, wait a minute ….

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    Doc

    Why worry? Abbott and Morrison said freedom of speech is of third order importance.
    Well, with cancellations, loss of employment, loss of social tolerance etc, I’d hate to see what comes number one and two in their minds when considering our so called ‘free society’.

    Evidently the latest way of assessing free society in the Democracies is having people compare how ‘good’ Australia (and the rest of the democracies) is relative to Iran, Russia, China and any autocracy one can think of. This is dangerous to accept because it doesn’t address just how rapidly our freedoms are being removed. It also doesn’t look at the rough house tactics our police forces now employ against innocent civilians using what free speech they used to have to demonstrate against policies of our increasingly autocratic governments. BLM demonstrations; no problems. Anti COVID restriction demonstrations get met by tear gas, riot police, citizens getting heads banged into the bitumen and elderly people thrown to the ground.

    The police forces around the country, and particularly their memberships should hang their heads in total shame and their hierarchies tossed into gaol for abuse of people and powers. Some of the Premiers should follow suit and I hope they all go down in infamy in Australian history. Brings to mind the gold rush days. At least citizens don’t get hanged – yet.

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    Old Goat

    The essential problem here is accountability . It probably doesn’t matter who gets into power in the coming elections – the common denominator has been deception by virtually all politicians and media . Why do we need vaccine mandates ? If you don’t want to take it its your risk . What is even more concerning is the bureaucracy running the country – “Yes Minister” was supposed to be humour….and that old adage about political jokes getting elected – see Ukrainian politics. Don’t even get me started on Dan Andrews…..

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      Rupert Ashford

      And if they come at you with the stupid argument of “a burden on the public health system if you don’t get the jab” than counter them with the fact that they’re welcome to throw you off the public health system as long as they stop taking your taxes to fund said public health system as well.

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    b.nice

    A bit off topic, but…. this doesn’t look good !! Will it get into the UK, US, Australian MSM…. or will it be banned and shunned.

    Hospitals being nearly over-run by vaxxine injury patients.

    https://notrickszone.com/2022/04/03/berlin-physician-estimates-cases-of-severe-side-effects-at-3-projected-one-million-affected-in-germany/

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    David Maddison

    Compare this with US “news” where exactly the same thing happened.

    Tragic.

    https://youtu.be/ksb3KD6DfSI

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    Gerry, England

    I would say that AHPRA are worse in withholding effective treatments and continuing a flawed vaccine programme. They are responsible for thousands of unnecessary deaths.

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      Simon Thompson.

      Correct. AHPRA are critically instrumental in this obvious PLANDEMIC.
      It is early April and 18% of Australians have been diagnosed with the ‘Vid. Prior to Jab rollout 22/2/2021 0.11 % had ‘Vid (73 times expansion). So the JAbJab took a cold virus with a prevalence of 869 cases first three months of 2021 to 4083495 cases first three months of 2022. Blind Freddy could see this is not a “Vaccination Campaign”. THE CASES RATE IS FOUR THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED TIMES what it was a year ago. If the injectables worked, it would be less than half (minimum standard of vaccination) so the FAUXINES have failed by FOUR orders of magnitude. (10000x).
      Oh Deaths is even more dramatic! ZERO deaths in the first three months of 2021, 3741 death for same period 2022.

      Awkeke?

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    Hanrahan

    Maybe off topic, but a Party that can sacrifice millions for a political goal could earnestly believe it could win a nuclear war. A few hundred million dead? Plenty left and less to care for.

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      Wet Mountains

      Well Said! The common man is considered expendable. Just put on your sad face and tell everyone (while on camera) how terrible it all is and then kill some more. We can all be appalled at the body count later, after the goal is achieved.

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      David Maddison

      Those who are primarily concerned about the well-being of the poor are likely to discover over time that much of the agenda of the left does not really do much good for the poor, and some of that agenda—environmental extremism, for example—actually makes the poor worse off. – Thomas Sowell

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    CHRIS

    The USA is in the grip of B1 and B2 (ie: Biden and Harris). With brain dead people like this leading the “free world”, what chance have we got?? Putrid (ie: Putin) must be laughing, along with the Chinese.

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      Forrest Gardener

      Does anybody actually believe that B1 and B2 have any role to play in US government other than being disposable talking heads for the powerbrokers?

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    David Maddison

    Oh dear, another Pfizer document dump.

    It looks like all those that had concerns about the vaccine weren’t “tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists” after all…

    https://youtu.be/5eJ5TIT6zvk

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      William Astley

      The test data dump included a Pfizer produced consent form for the recent RNA vaccine tests, on children. The Pfizer consent form, warned that the incidence of myocardia in young people caused by RNA vaccination, was 1 in 10,000. I see from this analysis attached below the incidence of recorded myocardial infractions in those who have been vaccinated with an RNA first release covid vaccine was 1 in 1000.

      This is an interesting power point slide presentation of the analysis and conclusion of the independent RNA vaccine safety review.

      https://www.skirsch.com/covid/Killed.pdf

      https://www.achgut.com/artikel/fda_impf_hearing_es_wird_ernst_sehr_ernst/
      FDA Vaccination Hearing:
      “With classic vaccines, one death is expected for every 5 million vaccinees, so the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are 2,000 to 4,000 times more toxic than classic vaccines.

      I had estimated for the first time in February, they are 100 to 200 times more toxic, which would have been bad enough. … two groups of types of death: Firstly, acute lethality from SARS-CoV-2 vaccine SPIKE-induced autoimmune vasculitis, fatal coagulation disorders and anaphylactic shock.

      And secondly, the lethality that occurs a little later due to autoimmune reactions against the patient’s own organs, which lead to …”

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        PeterS

        Using COVID-19 vaccines on children is about as low as one could get. I do hope one day we get to put those responsible in prison regardless of how high they are on the ladder. In fact the higher they are the greater the punishment. The buck has to stop with them.

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      PeterS

      Some of us here already knew something was terribly wrong over a year ago. I certainly did as I started to do my own research as soon as the pandemic was announced. There is still a lot of things we aren’t sure about but one thing we can be sure about is the cover up of the harmful effects of the vaccines, which are disproportionate to the benefits, if any.

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        Steve of Cornubia

        My “Wait … what?” moment came very early on, when the ‘vaccines’ were first announced.

        It was when the term ‘mRNA’ was first used. Of course, my frown and twitching antennae were based solely on the ‘RNA’ bit, because it hinted at genetics. I know nothing about genetics but, like many people, I was put instantly on alert and wanted to know more before I had the vaccine. I decided to take a wait and see approach.

        Well, I waited, I saw and I shall remain untainted.

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          Steve of Cornubia

          I suppose I should be glad they announced them as ‘mRNA’ vaccines. Had they simply been called Covid vaccines, I would have dutifully trotted off to my GP and got my shots.

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          b.nice

          My caution started when I realised that they were sending people home, who they said had a life-threatening illness.. and didn’t even try any medications to help, especially when good safe options were known to be available..

          That had to be a first in anywhere except medieval England (soon to reappear)

          I knew something wasn’t “right” and that there was an agenda somewhere.

          Something was being rigged from the start !

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    R.B.

    About 12 years ago, almost every single journalist was going on about those who are sceptical of climate change are like those who tried to convince Columbus that the world was flat. Was it a memo, was it Obama’s lead, or was it eater cooler talk, i don’t know. But how come not one of knew what is in every encyclopedia article on Columbus, even the kiddies’ ones, that the myth of the flat Earth was the myth?

    Just in case you don’t know, nobody who was educated, or even just worked on the coast, thought that the world was flat in Columbus’s time. It was a story made up the fairytale writer Washington Irving.

    It’s not just the journalists. I’ve seen a fact that is not on quiz questions a few times, including the Chaser. Which country was condemned to death entirely by the Spanish Inquisition? A. None. Certainly not The Netherlands. It’s a made up historical fact based on a single letter known to be a forgery.

    Interestingly, Pope Gregory IX created Papal Inquistions to stop mobs and dubious Lords from executing heretics. For his efforts, he is remembered for declaring in a Papal Bull that cats were sacrilegious leading to mass torture and killing of cats. This then lead to the Plague because there were few days to kill the mice.

    The truth is that he only mentioned the rumoured practice of a cult asking initiates to kiss the butt of a black cat. This did not lead to mass killings of cats around Europe. The rest is just made up. The Black Death killed as many in Islamic Asia and Both Africa start over 50 years later.

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    PeterS

    Florida is now on my list of places to escape to when things get too hot here, which isn’t that far away.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    are there topics that should be censored? I mean genuine topics, like say how to make a nuclear bomb, that sort of thing

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      David Maddison

      Bad example Peter. How to make a nuclear bomb has been in the public domain for a very long time. But even if you had the “instructions” you would need to be a very well funded state actor like Iran to do it with billions of dollars and hundreds of scientists. It’s not like baking a cake.

      Since pro-censorship people always choose extreme examples I will add:

      Material portraying and glorifying actual crimes such as murders or child abuse should be considered part of the original crime and not be published.

      Otherwise, I think all ideas should be published, even offensive and objectionable ones. Ultimately good speech will conquer bad speech in the free market of ideas.

      Sites such as this would not exist in a Leftist censorship regime because they question the climate and covid narrative.

      I know Leftists have a real problem with free speech that doesn’t involve their own ideology.

      And notice how Leftists can post here but we can’t post on “your” sites. Our “alternative” opinions usually get us banned.

      Conservatives can tolerate alternative ideas, unlike Leftists.

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        another ian

        David

        I went through that in radiation classes – not down to very specific details though

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      Peter Fitzroy

      military censorship, commercial and business censorship, political censorship.

      also please post a link to a nuclear bomb making site (bet you can not find one)

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        David Maddison

        Peter, you just have to Google it.

        And it’s not like a cake recipe.

        There are huge numbers of independent disciplines to be learned and perfected. Each with their own procedures. Each procedure will have to be researched but you will find the necessary material in the public domain. And once found you will have to build highly complex apparatus for enrichment and handling after first managing to find the nuclear material itself. And none of that is available on EBay.

        The first atom bomb required a huge effort with vast amounts of scientists, technicians and engineers, and money.

        You just don’t condense it to 10 or even 100 seperate instructions.

        You seem to think that like a cake recipe, you just go to the supermarket and buy the ingredients. It is not at all like that.

        I can’t believe you don’t understand this.

        Hostile state actors like Iran managed to do it from public domain materials.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          i did google it, it is censored

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            David Maddison

            I Googled it but wasn’t censored.

            You must have the child censorship enabled in Google.

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              Peter Fitzroy

              so there is censorship by age as well. See you are learning. Now how does child censorship meld with your assertion that “Otherwise, I think all ideas should be published, even offensive and objectionable ones. Ultimately good speech will conquer bad speech in the free market of ideas.”

              you have now proved that there are some things which can not be show in school, now all we are debating is the size of that list. Remember that the impetus for this post is that some topics should be shown at school and not showing them is censorship

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                David Maddison

                The Left advocate compulsory censorship which means ideas cannot be discussed or even seen.

                What consenting adults allow themselves or children they are responsible for to see is fine as long as the restrictions are voluntary.

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                Serp

                Away with ye, begone with your blather and come back when you’ve something novel and of substance to disclose.

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                b.nice

                We know the left relish the exposure of children to their moral depravity.

                It creates more of them.

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        R.B.

        You put together a critical mass of enriched uranium together. I learnt it in high school 35 years ago. To get U235 or plutonium and to get a big bang are the hard parts. They use explosives to compress sub-critical masses together. It needs to happen in way that gets the most fission occurring before the bomb disintegrates. The details to get it to work are out there.

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          Lance

          The mechanisms are well known. Gun and implosion. Implosion requires a Krytron switch to make them work. The hard part is getting 20% enriched U235 for a Gun and fissile Pu239 for a “soccer ball” device. Gun types are inefficient but simple, implosion is elegant but very difficult to achieve. Unless one is well trained, the chemical toxicity and radiation toxicity are tall hills to climb. Nobody does such things in their garage. At least not longer than a few seconds. I prefer woodwork.

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      Forrest Gardener

      Your deliberate misinformation, attempts to mislead and agitprop would be good candidates.

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    David Maddison

    There is somewhat of a free speech win.

    Elon Musk bought 9.2% of Twitter.

    He is not a member of the Elites or Left and believes in free speech and free markets.

    He is opposed to Twitter’s censorship- so he bought the company, well, almost. He might buy more stock so he can get a controlling interest.

    (Yes, I know he is not perfect either.)

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      Forrest Gardener

      Wait for it. I don’t see any more significance in that share purchase than if Berkshire Hathaway bought it.

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        David Maddison

        Except Musk preceded his purchase by complaining about Twitter censorship.

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          Forrest Gardener

          Correct but unless you want to elevate Musk’s motives to altruism it would pay to wait.

          Q: what does someone who has grown exceptionally wealthy on government subsidies want?

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        beowulf

        Except for this. Just days earlier Musk posed the question on Twitter:

        “Free speech is essential to a functioning democracy. Do you believe Twitter rigorously adheres to this principle?”

        Result: 70.4% NO

        At 9.2%, Musk now owns four times the shareholding of Twitter founder Jack Dorsey at around 2.25%, making Musk the single largest shareholder. Twitter stocks have jumped by 27.12% at last count. Some market analysts think this might be the beginning of a buy-out by Musk.

        I’ve been a seething critic of Elon Musk for years, but over the last few months he has made a number of stand-out statements against the Swamp/MSM/CDC party line that have partly redeemed him as far as I am concerned. His Teslas are still a techno-scam, but that aside, at least he believes in and actively promotes the basic values that once made our western society great. In my opinion he’s a jumped-up, self-promoting snake oil salesman, but if he uses his wealth to promote free speech then that’s a gold star against his name from me.

        https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/04/good-news-for-free-speech-elon-musk-now-twitters-largest-shareholder.html

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baXGLpmIc-o

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    Ross

    Groupthink and the unbalanced power of organisations like AHPRA appear to be products of the Medicare or NHS type public health systems. GP’s don’t dare buck the system, because of potential loss of income and ostracisation. Hospital doctors are even worse because there’s the additional layer of hospital policy. So, when we have a big bad foe like COVID and the “one size fits all” policy of vaccinations they are instantly captured. Early on in 2020 I witnessed lots of MSM interviews with doctors, medical researchers etc who were discussing openly all aspects of SARS Cov2, even proposing possible treatments. Then, it was as if a button was pushed somewhere and the discussion was all about vaccines, and obviously strategies to wait out the period until they became available. But, looking back now even those discussions were restricted. Clearly, those experienced with vaccine development (vaccinologists) knew that the viral vector and mRNA vaccines were going to be “leaky”. That they wouldn’t stop infection or transmission. In fact, some of the early trial data showed that ,with appreciable levels of COVID infection in the treated groups of the vaccine trials. I look at our Australian vax rates of 95% and I’m thinking that it was all a waste of time. Because daily there are 50 k official COVID cases in Australia, which probably means 1.5x -> 2x that amount.

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      Forrest Gardener

      Agreed. The root of the problem may have been the US requiring no other viable treatment before the powers that be could give emergency approval of the injections. Even now if word got out about an effective treatment the emergency approval would have to be withdrawn.

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      RickWill

      From a public health perspective, Australia has managed Covid extremely well. Excess deaths from all causes over the last two years has been negative compared with the pre-covid average.

      Australia is near the very top of most vaccinated country. Clearly the vaccines have not contributed to excess deaths because there are none.

      Covid has morphed into “common cold” risk with fatality rate at 0.13% in Australia and is now less deadly than other viruses circulating in Australia. It certainly appears that the vaccines are ineffective against the current strain spreading but could still contribute to the low mortality. For comparison, Russia’s case fatality rate is at 1.7%.

      Probably no point in continuing the vaccination campaign. Australia’s very high vaccination rate is certainly not doing much to reduce the spread now:
      https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=United%20States&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=Australia%2CSweden%2CRussia%2CNew%20Zealand#countries-normalized
      This chart could be interpreted that natural immunity gives broader protection against different strains.

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        Ross+Holding

        RW, you have to be careful with excess mortality stats, because they can interpreted in many different ways. A lack of excess deaths could be simply due to a significant proportion of Australian population being locked down for extended times ( eg. Melbourne). We also know those official stats won’t pick up deaths that may have been promoted by vaccine injury. I have direct family experience of that.

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          RickWill

          those official stats won’t pick up deaths that may have been promoted by vaccine injury

          So you are saying that the official all-cause mortality figures in Australia are wrong?

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            Ross

            Not saying they’re right or wrong – what I am saying is you cant use those as concrete stats for proving any trends, because they can be interpreted in so many different ways. It’s the same with people trying to compare COVID performance between countries. There are too many confounding variables that make the comparison baseless.

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      Simon Thompson

      Did ya know that one of the properties of ‘Vid is that it infects on a Monday? check the 2k jump mon-tues in case reports over the last few months. A weekly pattern to maximise the days off work! Lemon scented genius I say!

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    KP

    Don’t worry, the shots are not dangerous… Although it would be interesting to see if he catches Covid later on!

    “Berlin: A 60-year-old man allegedly had himself vaccinated against COVID-19 dozens of times in Germany in order to sell forged vaccination cards with real vaccine batch numbers to people not wanting to get vaccinated themselves.

    The man from the eastern Germany city of Magdeburg… is said to have received up to 90 shots against COVID-19 at vaccination centres in the state of Saxony for months until criminal police caught him,”

    SMH

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      Serp

      He’s not the only one; there’s an abundance of anecdotes about the operation of such enterprises for once exemptions were extinguished finding a substitute became the remaining option.

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    another ian

    Around the CCP theme

    “UK launches digital ID scheme for Right to Work and Right to Rent Premises”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/04/uk-launches-digital-id-scheme-for-right-to-work-and-right-to-rent-premises.html

    And to think that back in the early 1800’s the UK was a leader in abolishing the slave trade!

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    philemon

    Anything to shut them up: https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/pfizer-has-a-plan-to-murder-doctors

    Lots of money. They’re already murdering patients. I am not at all surprised by death threats for doctors who don’t go along. If there is anything crooked going on, anyone who is honest gets death threats.

    One thing I’m curious about is what is the government critters’ incentive to get the obviously dangerous and ineffective injections into everyone. Are they on commission? They already bought the stuff. If it passes the expiration date before it is used, maybe there’s a problem/expense due to disposal of hazardous waste?

    My guess is that they are scared sh**less that the chickens might come home to roost.

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