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    RicDre

    Electric-Bus Inferno In Hanover-Germany…Explosive Fire Causes “Millions In Damages”

    Reposted from the NoTricksZone

    By P Gosselin on 11. June 2021

    A fire at a bus depot in Hanover caused millions of euros in damage. According to fire fighters, the fire broke out on Saturday afternoon at the Üstra transport company where electric buses were parked,

    According to Üstra spokesman Udo Iwannek, the fire caused damage running in the millions. Five e-buses, two hybrids and two combustion engines were destroyed, as were also the building and the charging station.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/12/electric-bus-inferno-in-hanover-germanyexplosive-fire-causes-millions-in-damages/

    I especially like these two comments:

    rbabcock
    June 12, 2021 6:11 am

    Looks like the design of the bus depot is going to have to be rethought. Probably more like an air force base where each aircraft is put into a hardened bunker surrounded by sandbags.

    They could also use the heat coming off the burning busses to boil water and make electricity.. like a cogeneration plant and stay green. Need to think outside the box here.

    TEWS_Pilot Reply to rbabcock
    June 12, 2021 7:29 am

    They will also need a bus factory next door to keep resupplying the fuel for the fires, er, uh, the new replacement buses.

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      Yonniestone.

      We had an E-Bike go up in flames at work last month due to a battery failure during charging overnight, destroyed it completely.

      We are in the process of getting these all electric EDV’s built by Kyburz Switzerland https://kyburz-switzerland.ch/en/electric_vehicles

      They have Lithium batteries 24v 160Ah, the bike fire was said to be extremely rare but on of these would be quite the little bonfire.

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        OldOzzie

        From WattsUp Article Referenced

        Although fires can happen anywhere, they become critical and dangerous when e-vehicles are involved. An affected battery acts as a powerful fire accelerant due to a chain reaction and must also burn out completely, which can take as long as two days. In February, Kulmbach in Bavaria became the first German city to close underground garages to e-cars as a result.

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        Ronin

        It would be quite risky and would probably void your home insurance, to charge any lithium battery vehicle in your garage, carport or under your house.
        Lithium fires are rare, until they aren’t.

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          Chad

          Ronin
          June 13, 2021 at 10:51 am ·
          It would be quite risky and would probably void your home insurance, to charge any lithium battery vehicle in your garage, carport or under your house.

          So, With the current range of commercial Ebikes costing anything up to $15-$20,000 …
          ……where do the owners store or charge them ?

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          I have seen one battery fire with a taxi on the Gold Coast. The firey I spoke to mentioned that it was not the first he had attended…

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        Analitik

        There have been 2 serious fires in Sydney caused by ebike batteries combusting while charging. One destroyed the owner’s home although the ebike itself survived as the battery was removed and taken inside for charging.

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          Klem

          In city accidents, motorcyclists sustain fewer injuries than e-bikers because motorcyclists have more training and wear safety gear. In many places, e-cyclists are not even required to wear helmets.

          The days of e-cyclists not requiring a licence, training, safety clothes and helmets are numbered. Its only a matter of time.

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      NSW Government is full steam ahead to retrofit their ferries with electric motors. Imagine 300 people on board halfway across Sydney Harbour, fire breaks out, can’t be extinguished – shades of The Hindenburg 1937. Human stupidity is a persistent devil.

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        Yarpos

        My mother in law says water and electricity dont mix. I often remind her of it when she puts on the kettle. That usually gets me “the look”

        She also has electric hot water but i dont go there.

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          Ian

          As the electricity in the kettle and the hot water system don’t come into contact your MIL is quite correct

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            OriginalSteve

            Have you ever seen a 4×4 electric ute being driven through a metre deep creek crossing?

            EVs are urban toys and will never be real world usable.

            The globalists are pursuing EVs as a matter of pursuing thier Satanic pagan eco belief system, not out of any form of logic or solid engineering.

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            NuThink

            Ian
            Some room humidifiers in Europe have two electrodes in water and heat the water that way. If the water does not have enough salts then you just add a little salt.

            The advantage of the technique is that it is self regulating. The electrodes are mounted in a tube which is fixed to the top half of the humidifier, and descends into the water. As the water in the tube is heated by the electricity passing through the water, steam exits through a small hole in the top to the unit. If the heating is too vigorous then the water is pushed below the electrodes and the heating stops until enough steam has escaped through the small hole in the lid, and the cycle continues. Run out of water and it just stops. Safe and very simple.
            So water and electricity do mix.
            Remember the old car batteries. You just add water.

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        Chad

        Aussie Pete
        June 13, 2021 at 8:11 am ·
        NSW Government is full steam ahead to retrofit their ferries with electric motors. Imagine 300 people on board halfway across Sydney Harbour, fire breaks out, can’t be extinguished – shades of The Hindenburg 1937. Human stupidity is a persistent devil.

        A).. it will never happen but….. !
        B) ..most reported battery fires occurr during recharging..IE , for a ferry,..in port .
        C) .. you can extinguish a Lithium battery fire with enough water,….. plenty of water around a ferry to quench any fire
        D) how many of the Ferries carry 300 souls ?

        And ..wasnt the Hindenburg a Hydrogen fire ?…..IE effectively a Fossil Fuel !

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          Ronin

          You pump enough water on a fire in a boat, it’s gonna sink. Simples.

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          gowest

          Electricity and water – great combination..

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            NuThink

            Azipods have been around quite a while.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTem7YZuDWY

            Just google Azipod Propulsion Systems.

            The electricity though does not normally come from batteries, but the electric drive makes them more flexible and maneuverable with reduced vibration, and if diesels are being used as the electricity source the diesels can run at optimum speed and save fuel. Just as diesel electric locomotives operate.

            Some German submarines use both fuel cells powered by hydrogen and diesel electric. Horses for courses.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_212_submarine

            I would hazard a guess that it may be possible to use Kinetic storage such as the technology from Amber Kinetic Systems for ferries to reduce diesel fuel consumption.
            https://amberkinetics.com/

            Germany was experimenting in the mid 70s with kinetic storage for busses. When they came to a stop the kinetic storage would get an added charge (spin the rotor) whilst boarding passengers.

            PS fishpond fountain pumps are submerged very often.

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          Graeme#4

          In the case of one damaged EV that was towed to a police yard in the U.S., the car spontaneously burst into flames three times over the next few days, despite being extinguished each time.

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            Dennis

            Several similar reports, one was at a Fiat dealership where an EV burst into flames and the fire brigade used a shipping container full of water and dropped the EV into the water.

            The fire restarted later after being “extinguished”.

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          yarpos

          “how many of the Ferries carry 300 souls ?”

          Most of the Harbour Ferries, the larger ones like the Manly Ferry are over 1100 capacity. The smallest ones do 150-250 passengers (about 20% of the fleet)

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            Chad

            From the SMH..

            The new vessels have capacity for 200, including 122 indoor seats, 18 outdoor seats on the lower deck and 10 seats on the upper deck.

            …i would love to see them electrify the Manly ferry !!

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              OldOzzie

              Class: Freshwater Class

              Service: 1982
              Capacity: 1100
              Speed: 15 kn
              Length: 70.4 m
              Displacement: 1150 t
              Route: Manly

              Origin of Name: Named after the Northern Beaches suburb of Freshwater.

              Freshwater Beach is between Curl Curl and Queenscliff and lies on the Manly to Curl Curl Beach walk.

              MV Freshwater is the lead ship of the four Freshwater class ferries. It cost $8.5 million when it was launched on 27 March 1982 by Olivia Cox and commissioned by her husband, Minister for Transport Peter Cox, on 18 December 1982.

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          Revo

          But water reacts with Lithium to produce Hydrogen and so a Li-Ion battery fire becomes a hydrogen fire if you put water on it ie 2Li + 2H₂O → 2LiOH + H₂

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            Analitik

            The lithium in batteries is not in a pure,metallic form so this is not a danger.

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              Chris

              So why does it take 3 days and 3 fire engines to put out an EV fire in Germany?

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                Analitik

                The intense fires are caused by the battery electrolyte acting as the oxidizer do smothering doesn’t put the fire out. It needs enough heat removed for the reaction to stop and then the charge needs to be removed from the cells so damaged cells don’t ignite from internal shorting.

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        Dennis

        I read recently about the history of NSW North Coast travel from Sydney, a combination of railway to Newcastle and then Horse drawn Coach, boats and coaches and across the Wallis Lake from Bungwahl to Tuncurry the boat in the early 1900s had an electric motor and was a small ferry.

        The point is that like circa 1900 EV electric boats apparently did not continue to be favoured.

        I wonder why?

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          Graeme#4

          Perth has a small electric tourist boat on its river that goes back and forth to a cafe spot upriver.

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            Dennis

            And a 2-seat including pilot aircraft with electric motor that flies to Rottnest Island, there the battery pack is replaced for the return flight, endurance allows a half hour for emergency situations.

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          Tonyb

          Electric boats, actually gentleman’s slipper launches, have been common on the River Thames since late Victorian times, but they wouldn’t use a lithium battery

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      David Maddison

      I am sad for the “two combustion engines” which were destroyed.

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        Chad

        Ironicaly , the 2 combustion engines were likely to be the only items to survive the fire.
        Sure a few ancilliaries would be burned and destroyed, but it would take more than a bus fire to destroy a large diesel engine !

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          Ted1

          Not so, and not so. And not so to A) and C) above.

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            Chad

            Sydney cannot even get their ferries the correct size to fit under all the bridges, or not stall when docking….
            …so i seriously doubt their technical ability to convert to EV drive …or afford the infrastructure to rapid recharge whilst docked .
            So no !..my bet is none of us will live to see it happen…..beyond a demo craft , someday, maybe ?
            And yes, i have extinguished a lithium battery fire with water !
            ..you have to fully immerse it with enough water to soak ALL the heat from the pack.
            (Flood the battery bay )
            Salt water is ideal as it will also discharge the pack slowly to a safe level and prevent re-ignition.

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              Dennis

              Incorrect Chad, the new ferries fit under all of the bridges on the Sydney to Parramatta route.

              The news story relates to one only low level bridge not far from the Parramatta Ferry Terminal and the requirement that passengers on the upper observation deck go below just before that bridge is reached.

              Agree with you about electric drive.

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                Dennis

                This news story annoyed me, it was of course aimed at embarrassing the NSW Coalition Government, like the claim that the new tram light rail is a failure because of low passenger numbers, and response from the Department of Transport that during COVID all public transport passenger numbers are down 80 per cent on previous periods.

                Consider ferry design and how to have an upper level observation deck and lower the hull and passenger section to suit one low bridge. It’s nonsense mischief making crafted to fool the gullible.

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                Graeme#4

                Fremantle in WA originally had a low railway bridge, and the steam-powered boat going to Rottnest Island used to lower its funnel and top deck awnings to go under the bridge.

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                Chad

                The news story relates to one only low level bridge not far from the Parramatta Ferry Terminal and the requirement that passengers on the upper observation deck go below just before that bridge is reached.

                The point is , they did not realise there was an issue until after the specification was signed off, and the “upper deck clearance requirement” was an afterthought solution ………though im sure they will claim otherwise.
                …Just like the engine stalling issue was preplanned also..
                ….And the vision problem for the helmsman..??
                I dont see why you blame the government for any of it though, it is just crap management by the project team.
                Personally i think electric drive for those ferries is a good idea…simply from a passenger comfort/sound point of view.
                But, like many other EV conversions , it will have to wait until batteries are much improved in capacity, performance , and cost.

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      Dennis

      Coming to a Sydney Bus Transport Depot sometime in the not distant future as the woke Environment Minister and wokeTransport Minister in the NSW Government get their way introducing electric buses.

      And wait for the City CBD carpark infernos, Sydney Harbour Tunnel, others.

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      Earl

      And not forgetting the Houston Tesla crash that took fire fighters 4hrs and 30,000 gallons of water to put out because of the batteries reigniting.

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    John R Smith

    Hey Australia,
    Just heard that here in my Mid Atlantic Eastern US region, one of the energy companies will be shutting down three coal power plants due to Biden administration policies.
    We’ll soon be joining you in peak load state wide power outages.
    Fun.
    I feel connected.
    Should I buy candles?
    G’day.
    (Did I do that right?)

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        John R Smith

        Nice, thanks.

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          Sambar

          JRS “Did I do that right” well yes and no. The greeting and inflection all correct, How ever the term” G’day” is used when people meet. If I go to the shop or meet a neighbour, the first words spoken are generally “G’day” and if directed at a male followed by” mate”. If directed at a female “G’day” is followed by your familiarity of choice as” G’Day Luv” of “G’Day Sue” Full names hardly never used in informal situations. So, Sue, not Susan, Marg, not Margaret etc. The parting terms are generally “See ya ” or “catch you later” or quite often just “catch ya”. The term “G’Day” is not used like the Italian ” Ciao” of Hebrew “Shalom” which are both expressions of greetings and farewells.
          As Churchill famously said ” Two nations divided by a common language”

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            John R Smith

            Thanks,
            of course I was born and raised in a former Confederate state, so I’m barely able to speak American English properly.
            Have to fake it when I’m in polite company.

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              Sambar

              Ha, its just gets worse John. In Australia we call the language we speak “Strine” a b*stardised version of Australian. Poms ( people from England) also have difficulties with our version of the mother tongue. So “poms” is generally accepted as an abbreviation of the term “Prisoner of Mother England” from when we were a penal colony. After living in Australia for near 80 years my mates still refer to me as the little pommie b*stard. When they call me by my name I know I’m in trouble !
              My daughter hosted a 30 something lady from Boston a couple of years ago and when we parted my daughter said “when will we see you again Dad”
              My response was” I’ll catch ya in a fortnight”. The young Bostonite looked at my daughter and said what the hell did he just say, my laughing daughter replied he will see us again in 14 days time. Not only the slang was confusing but the fact that Americans don’t use the old English term “fortnight” for a 2 week period just left our visitor shaking her head.

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            Annie

            A lot of names are shortened in Australia, as described by Sambar. However, single-syllable ones are lengthened, e.g. ‘John’ to ‘Johnno’, ‘Dean’ to ‘Deano’, etc.

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          dinn, rob

          tailored to your every need:
          7-24-20 China entered covert deal with Pakistan military for bio-warfare capabilities: Report
          Wuhan Institute of Virology has “lent all financial, material and scientific support for the project”. The program being entirely funded by China is formally titled “Collaboration for Emerging Infectious Diseases and Studies on Biological Control of Vector Transmitting Diseases”, according to the report.
          https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/china-entered-covert-deal-with-pakistan-military-for-bio-warfare-capabilities-report/articleshow/77139623.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

          ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,…………………………………………………………
          9-16-20 “There have been experiments carried out since 2015 with five different high level pathogens. The studies are being conducted in Pakistan. A lot of the Wuhan Institute of Virology scientists are working on Pakistan soil with Pakistan’s defence agencies which raises very serious concerns among the intelligence agencies,” said Anthony Klan….
          According to another report by The Klaxon, the results of five studies conducted by Wuhan and Pakistani scientists have been published in scientific papers, each involving the “detection and characterisation” of “zoonotic pathogens”.
          The studies involve experiments and genome sequencing of the West Nile Virus; MERS-Coronavirus; Crimean-Congo Hemorrhagic Fever Virus; the Thrombocytopenia Syndrome Virus; and the Chikungunya Virus.
          There is no vaccine or cure for any of those pathogens, which are among some of the world’s deadliest and most contagious.
          https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/exclusive-anthony-klan-shares-details-on-china-s-wuhan-lab-operating-covert-operations-in-pakistan-1722198-2020-09-16
          ………………..
          4-7-21 As reported by journalist Anthony Klan from The Klaxon, Communist China and Pakistan entered a three-year pact for potential biowarfare capabilities. The Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) signed a covert deal with the Pakistan military’s Defense Science and Technology Organization (DESTO) to collaborate on research in emerging infectious diseases — Communist China is funding the program and testing biological agents outside its borders to evade international condemnation. The Wuhan Institute of Virology provided all financial, material, and scientific support.

          Klan cited intelligence sources that the CCP-Pakistan joint program had successfully isolated Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT), a bacterium similar in structure to anthrax. The Wuhan Institute of Virology provided extensive training on gene editing for pathogens and bioinformatics to Pakistan, along with experimental reagents.
          DESTO is a Pakistani military organization outside the supervision of civilian health departments. The CCP-Pakistan joint program allows either country to add research projects on newly discovered infectious diseases. Communist China probably launched the program to counter India and to test biological agents in foreign territory. The joint program is also experimenting with the Crimean-Congo Hemorrhagic Fever Virus (CCHFV), which is a deadly class-4 pathogen—intelligence officers expressed concerns since Pakistan experimented with the dangerous pathogen in facilities not equipped to handle Bio-Safety Level-4 pathogens. 
          I found two science articles about the bacteria Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT). The first article, titled “Crystal structure of Bacillus thuringiensis Cry7Ca1 toxin active against Locusta migratoria manilensis,” explains the structure of a protein toxin in BT; the second article is about the whole genome sequence of BT 1. “Crystal structure of Bacillus thuringiensis Cry7Ca1 toxin active against Locusta migratoria manilensis,” Jing. X., and et al., Protein Science, Mar 2019, 28(3): 609-619
          2. “Complete Genome Sequence of Bacillus thuringiensis subsp. Jinghongjiensis Reference Strain YGd22-03,” Wu, Y., and et al., Genome Announcement, Sep 2017, 5(39):e00740-17
          The authors of both articles belong to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Chinese Academy of Sciences. These pieces of evidence illustrate the Wuhan Institute of Virology has researched BT.  BT is a type of harmless bacteria that only infects insects. It is commonly used as a pesticide in agriculture. However, if the CCP-Pakistan joint program genetically modifies the bacteria, a novel pathogen that is capable of infecting humans may be created. https://gnews.org/1062921/ 

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      Yarpos

      We are packing candle, small area led lighting, torches, powerbanks for the phones (just in case the mobile network stays up) and a generator.

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        Ted1

        Powerbanks. How to recharge them?

        I haven’t really looked, but have never been an exercise machine set up to charge a battery. With modern technology it would be so easy, and turn energy wasting exercise into energy saving exercise. It would be no trouble to generate enough to run a radio and a couple of LED lights.

        Surely they have been on the market for 50 years or more. If they haven’t they should soon be. They’ll be essential.

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          yarpos

          didnt read that last word I guess

          you can also charge them from a car 12V outlet

          the ones we have provide about 4 full phone charges so about 8 days , if not used for anything else and not recharged.

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            Ted1

            I remember we used the car radio during the 1955 flood. Had to be careful to not flatten the battery.

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      OldOzzie

      In the 50s here in OZ, we had Kerosine Lamps and Candles as backup for power outages

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        James

        What did Australia light their homes with before Candles? Electricity!

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          Ted1

          Believe it or not, they used mostly daylight.

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          Doc

          Farmers and people isolated from the power grid used a lead-acid battery stack to get a 32V system with a little wind powered generator to recharge, and kerosene powered refrigeration.

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            James

            I have heard of such systems. I have never experienced them though!

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            Bushkid

            That’s the system I grew up with. My father, an electrical engineer, built it. It was powered by a single cylinder diesel motor to drive the generator, and had a bank of batteries. It happily ran the lights and the radio/radiogram, but any heavier demand meant the generator had to be running, for things like vacuum cleaner, washing machine or clothes iron.

            Hot water came courtesy of the hot water jacket on the flue of the wood stove. Water was pumped by wind power to a header tank for the house. The fridges ran on kerosene, and Mum made the best ice-cream ever.

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            Chris

            We used a 50 year old kerosene fridge in the holiday shack every summer. Not much of a freezer but certainly kept the milk and beer very cold.

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              Ted1

              Mum’s kero fridge used to make dry (i.e. sub zero) ice which you had to be careful not to put your tongue on or it would stick to it.

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      David Maddison

      This video might help with saying G’day.

      https://youtu.be/6PDVJ_xYWiI

      Also, taking Australian language and word play to extremes is Austen Tayshus and his famous 1983 piece “Australiana”. Don’t worry if you can’t understand it. Most Australians younger than 50 wouldn’t either.

      Australiana: https://youtu.be/StcXGhuliRk

      The links in this Wikipedia article will help in deciphering it.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australiana_%28song%29?wprov=sfla1

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        David Maddison

        I noticed Wikipedia got the reference to “Barbie” wrong. They refer to the Barbie doll, not the BBQ which Australians sometimes refer to as a “barbie”.

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          OldOzzie

          And McDonalds is Maccas

          Macca’s® Story

          Where we’ve come from.

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            Ted1

            “1981. Australia’s first Ronald McDonald House opens at the Royal Alexandra Children’s Hospital, Camperdown NSW.”

            I was one of the first two clients, staying there the night it opened. Almost 40 years ago.

            It is quite a marvellous concept, too. The privacy of your room when you needed it, and other people with the same terrible problem to associate with when you came out. It was like a big family.

            In our time the Oncology Clinic didn’t have a set home. It moved around a bit, and when we were there you had to go through the outpatients queue to get to it, terrified that somebody there might have the dreaded deadly chickenpox or measles. So “the family” raised a million dollars to build a new clinic in a new level added to one wing of Wade House. It cost $1.3+ million. The NSW government paid the balance, not from government funds, but from the Channel 9 Telethon appeal money. Only a politician could for one moment have considered that such a necessity should have been dependent on charity.

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          Hanrahan

          Aussies have also taken to Cockney rhyming slang but there would have been Cockneys in the convict ships.

          China plate: mate

          Joe Blake: snake

          Noah’s ark: shark

          One explanation of the origin of rhyming slang was that the Cockneys operated at the edge of the law and developed an extensive vocabulary which fooled narks working for the police.

          And Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oh1 Oh1 Oh! started as Oggie, a Cornish pastie being dropped fresh to miners down the pit.

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        John R Smith

        David, that was fun.
        Never gonna be able to say it right but might be able to place more properly.

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      Ronin

      ” G’day mate”, get plenty of candles, some Coleman gas ( sorry, propane) or fuel lamps and a propane BBQ.

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      Dennis

      Aparently coal burnt in power stations and steel mills in developing nations, example China, is acceptable to the UN IPCC.

      And India, and many other nations including those receiving China foreign aid in the form of coal fired power stations, they are the cheapest reliable generators of electricity so poorer nations need them (I am being sarcastic).

      However Australia, being one of the few UN member nations that achieved all UN IPCC Kyoto Agreement emissions reduction targets and is well on track to do the same with Paris Agreement targets, is criticised for continuing to generate most of our electricity using coal for fuel, and some natural gas.

      The IPCC have even had the hide to try and deny Australia the emissions targets achieved credits to offset Paris targets.

      President Donald Trump is right, the UN must be forced to downsize, get back to the original basics and to stop interfering in the internal affairs of member should be sovereign self governing democratic nations.

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        Serp

        Yeah well these so called self governing democratic nations need to stop signing on to so much UN fol de rol and paraphernalia that has sprung up around the impotent nations which do not sit on the Security Council; the UN has become the font of all identitarianism –surely there’s a less binding membership available whereby one escapes the blanket of obligations that would otherwise be heaped upon us, or we could simply withdraw altogether.

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        Ted1

        All Donald had to do to fix that was stop subsidising the UN. Which he did, didn’t he, to some extent.

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        Doc

        Dennis. So the matter obviously, is little to do with the climate or emissions. The UN and the EU, by their attacks on Australia, are giving their game away. CO2’s postulated role they dreamed up, is very rarely talked of now; they 100%try to treat it as being an accepted ‘truth’. This avoids having to explain why they still cannot produce evidence of this ‘fact’, so avoid such a conversation at all costs.

        It all boils down to the arguments people were making right at the start when the policies were first formulated and available for perusal from the UN records. The most obvious point of it all to most people was, it’s a redistribution of wealth scheme from ‘rich nations’ – primarily the West – to the poor nations. But one can see further; even that was a veneer for the real aim to spike Western economies, to pauperise them (the people) to accomodate Globilisation with power increasingly based in the UN using the EU governance design (the EU Commission) as the template.
        The Achilles heel of the productive West was its cheap power supply.

        Australia is the most vulnerable of the Western nations because it won’t accept nuclear power, unlike the USA , Britain and the EU that can all live off France. Hence, despite us keeping our committments on emission reductions, we can be hammered and pressured by threats of import duties against our exports to force us to destroy our economy.

        WE are lead by politicians captive to their own stupidity that believe in green energy, despite its absolute failure in practice. They ignore that those nations hounding us make extreme ‘promises’ on emissions but never act accordingly.

        The proponents of this climate theory realise they will never scare Russia, India and China into following the nonsense. Those nations are permitted to keep their cheap means of production using coal. That’s the same coal so ‘poisonous’ for the West! Their cheap labour is used to hive off everything in the West that made it great.

        Our own businesses look after their profit margins and seek to push ETS’s on us. Their first principle is looking after their own competitive advantage. They move away. We get closures and job exports. Many of these businesses have the scientific, geological and mathematical means to thoroughly examine climate theory and call it out. They don’t! They simply look after their profits and allow the pied piper to take the nation over the cliff.

        What does it take when a nation is lead by weak leaders, in business and government, too afraid to call an end to ‘the science is in’ argument – when obviously it never is – and demand proof of theory before they lead us to destruction?

        The first responsibility of government is to look after the affairs of their own nation; not follow charlatans to the grave! Why don’t our leaders demand proof of theory from our own scientists – not just ‘advice’ from our official Chief Scientist who is but another person – before they further send us to the hell of blowing up fossil fuel based power stations, seek to idolise green power which creates few jobs except for those required to try to fix the mess, but costs many by an inability to perform? It’s beyond time to throw down the gauntlet before we get to stage of no return and no reliable energy.

        Those pushing these schemes would just applaud our demise seeing us as weak idiots, led like lemmings over the marxist cliff. Nobody even is willing to define what we will look like in another decade of this entirely pointless self-flagellation. Try asking our politicians and you will realise just how reckless this climate chasing farce really is.

        Where’s the leadership that demands proof of theory before accepting comical computerised pontifications about our climate future. They have so failed after 40years to even describe the current world as it is, yet purveyors of our ruin get away with ‘we simply can’t explain why the temperature stopped rising, the snow kept coming and those dams would fill’ (if we built them! It is apparent that those that are pushing us to destroy our nation don’t even believe their own predictions; they move to live by oceans and rivers that are supposed to drown everything nearby in the near future! What weak, unresponsive mugs are we really?

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          yarpos

          “Australia is the most vulnerable of the Western nations because it won’t accept nuclear power, unlike the USA , Britain and the EU that can all live off France”

          Struggling to see how USA lives ofF France. Is it the cheese?

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            Doc

            Simple error, but I thought most people reading it would realise that and that the USA does have its own nuclear plants, so the argument holds. But, there you go, have to be careful making allowances.

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      David Wojick

      I live here too, John. Which nutbar energy company are you referrin to?

      One of my favorite greetings is the Western Pennsylvania “How’s by you?”

      Spiraling further off: How do psychiatrists greet each other? “You’re fine, how am I?”

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        John R Smith

        Don’t know for sure yet.
        Is it Constellation?
        Sounds like you might be in Pennsyltucky.

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          David Wojick

          Eastern West Virginny. About 100 miles west of Fantasylad DC. We still burn a lot of coal out here.

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      Tides of Mudgee

      John Smith, this is in reply to No. 2 of yours. You spelt G’day perfectly. Well done. Now I’d like to hear you say it perfectly. That might not be so easy. ToM

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    Lawrence Edward Todd

    Coal, natural gas and nuclear power plants are fantastic base load producers which both should be available to provide greater reliable of the base load. Solar and wind should be used in areas where the electric grid is unavailable or selective use (i.e. home, farm or industrial). I would think smaller natural gas plants could be used for peak usage spikes and to minimize having to buy electricity from outside sources.

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      Klem

      Sounds very sensible Lawrence, but how does that fit with the Lefts ultimate goal of “you’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy”.

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      Ian

      “Coal, natural gas and nuclear power plants are fantastic base load producers which both should be available to provide greater reliable of the base load.”

      Which one of the three are you not including?

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      Richard Owen No.3

      Fortunately(?) in Australia our electricity grid is being redesigned by politicians.
      Nuclear is banned
      Gas exploration is banned (except for export)
      Coal mining is almost banned – although after last month’s disastrous by-election in a (normally) safe working class area when the Labor vote dropped into the low 20’s percent, there are a few members who want Labor to change policies.

      Meanwhile the Federal Government – to use a loose term – is planning for a coal-fired plant to shut down and be replaced by a smaller gas turbine plant. It will be 4 units totalling 660MW and replace(?) a 2,000MW plant. It indicates that their ignorance extends beyond engineering to simple arithmetic.
      Coal, we are told (repeatedly), is more expensive than renewables and emits too much carbon dioxide. Yet this ‘new’ plant will emit about as much as the latest coal-fired plants being installed overseas, and produce electricity at least twice as expensive.
      And those “cheap renewables” are being propped up by another $2,500 million** interconnector linking the Blackout State with a coal dependent State, so when the wind blows they can send the surplus cheaply to each other. As the weather patterns are usually similar in both States I hope they will install traffic lights.

      **Watch this figure climb as all government wishlist projects do.

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        Ted1

        Richard, can anybody point me to a sound analysis of these costings? Coal is in use because it was the cheapest at the time. I very much doubt that it is not still the cheapest when the costings are done properly.

        1. Government imposts tax coal and subsidise “renewables”. That should be accounted for twice in coal’s favour against the price.

        2. The cost of coal should be the marginal cost, not the cost after accommodating guarantees for renewables and other political imposts. Because it is marginal cost product that is being foregone to accommodate renewables.

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          Klem

          Ted1, one of the reasons why coal has been singled out for heavier taxes is BECAUSE it is likely the cheapest energy source available.

          Governments don’t want citizens using cheap energy, they want them using the most expensive energy possible.

          Expensive energy drives up the cost of everything, this generates more tax revenue for governments.

          So governments hit the cheapest energy hard, using climate change as the excuse.

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          Richard Owen No.3

          Ted1:
          Of course coal is cheapest, which is why you don’t get head to head comparisons, just cost to construct (comparing cost of A with B without noting that B lasts 3 times as long). The Finkel report has submerged despite him being hand-picked by Turnbull because he believed in AGW, yet his figures aren’t what the WOKE want. Compare (reliable) coal around $40 a MWh vs (unreliable) Wind at $77+.
          Natural gas with CCGTs costed at $72 per MWh (and lower emissions) v’s OCGTs at $135 (with higher emissions). The latter are the Peaking Plants so beloved by the Greens as making renewables work.

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            Serp

            As per the gas plant being built on a coal mine to complement the sporadic renewable output mandated by the carbon dioxide cult which is out to get the best value for its money in the annals of chicanery.

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        Ronin

        South Orstralia is trying to make out they are powered by renewables, what about all the brown coal power they suck up, and they have been using almost 100% gas recently. What a joke.

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          yarpos

          SA powered by renewables
          ACT 100% renewables
          TAS battery of the nation
          downward pressure on energy prices
          batteries as generators
          EVs reducing life cycle CO2
          easy and clean Lithium sourcing and recycling
          stranded coal assets and peak oil

          all bought to you from the same school of BS wishful thinking

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            Analitik

            Giles Parkinson will be issuing proceedings against you not not declaring RenewEconomy as the source for your Benefits to Society.

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        Tim C

        Richard, the interconnector makes perfect “sense”, SA can buy the electrical bananas during the day and sell the electrical banana skins back at night. And it will be cheaper because unicorn farts.

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          Doc

          Tim C. In other words, South Australia, using the interconnector set up is the equivalent of EU nations that, while burning ‘foetal coal’ ie wood without handicap, can build as many wind mill and solar panel units they wish, pretending to be good world citizens. They just buy French Nuclear sourced energy when nothing else works.

          Germany, the greenest of the green, under Merkel, chopped off its nuclear energy plants, ran itself short of power and built coal plants in desperation. It now waits the completion of the Russian gasline to keep it supplied. Nobody in any organisation such the WWF, UN, EU nor in Germany itself protested that German goods would suffer tariffs if it didn’t desist. But Australia… ?

          Why doesn’t Morrison call out the hypocrisy, the fact that true believers obviously don’t believe in the CO2-Global warming lunacy at all. They are hypocrits all. But Australians have to put up with Boris’and Biden’s bs every day of the week. Western civilisation is the strongest, most powerful culture in the world but is allowing itself to be torn down from within and without by forces seeking to bring it to heel, steal its wealth derived from the personal effort of its citizens and bring it to heel. Since WW2, western governments have totally lost their mojo, raison d’etre. They are being defeated without a shot being fired. Just ask Putin and XI as they celebrate, carry merrily on their way both economically and in armaments!

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      Yarpos

      Our pollies clearly think we dont need no steenking baseload power. Thats old world thinking and we should be getting on board with the spasmodic distributed power model operating mainly on wishful thinking.

      It will be great.

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    Lance

    Looks like Microsoft will stop supporting Win 10 after 2025.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-drops-windows-10-support-2025

    Not sure what Win 11 will look like, but I’m going to stay with Linux.

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      Fuel Filter

      Good Lord! Buy a new M-1 Mac!

      I have one (Mac Mini) and it blows the doors off any and all comers. Check out all the U-TooB vid about it. “Will delight and amaze!”

      This thing rocks, and it cost me only $699 (USD). A couple of peripherals under $100 and go from there as you will. There’s an absolute metric ton of them.

      This baby rocks!

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        Ted O’Brien.

        I don’t know how to rock it, but my old eyes find the 55 inch 4KTV screen easier to read. But I think it’s set to 1080. That worked, so I haven’t read the instructions yet.

        Can’t wait to see what the next iMac brings us.

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      Yarpos

      Oh well, there is my end date for Windows then. Half the machines we have are on Linux already and are far less trouble than W10. You have to wonder about an OS that spawns an army of youtube experts all trying to explain and fix its oddities and speed it up.

      Linux is much more mature now and some flavours are very simple to install. Certainly no more onerous than Windows.

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      OldOzzie

      I still have Netbook PC running on Windows XP, but have become a convert to iMac after using my wife’s early 2009 iMac

      On my wife’s iMac, I had done max memory upgrade and replaced original Hard Drive with 1 Terabyte SSD using Company in Pymble – has been very successful

      Since my wife complained about me hogging her iMac – bought myself iMac Retina 5k 2019 Max Loaded (felt Professional was overkill and not worth the extra money) and been really satisfied – Screen Resolution is amazing.

      In a household of Apple products, iPhones. Ipads. MacBook Pro’s, I am a standout with Android Phone – having enjoyed Samsung Note 3 with broken screen and lots of external memory, upgraded to new Samsung Note 8 with Max memory and 512 Gb of external memory and again very happy.

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    The diseased minds of the mental health experts.

    “That fact that sicko zealots like these can be given a platform at once prestigious places of learning like Yale merely indicate how much these places have become debased wastelands out of touch with everyday reality. They even put the words of the classic behavioural sciences psychopath up on Yale’s website.”

    Read more at – https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2021/06/11/the-diseased-minds-of-the-mental-health-experts/

    Pointman

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Murugappan a word which should make all Australians hang their heads is shame

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      Yonniestone.

      Yes its appalling……………what are you on about?

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        Yonniestone.

        So should, Lennin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Ceaucsescu, Pinochet but these names are admired if not worshiped by your political ilk.

        Glass houses stones etc……

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          Peter Fitzroy

          how many japanese civilians, english civilians, French civilians… in the 2 world wars. West on West but you are so indroctinatated

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            Yonniestone

            Oh boo hoo someone doesn’t agree with your warped world view, I’ll enjoy the public holiday tomorrow hope that doesn’t trigger you?

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      el gordo

      The family is a disgrace for making such a big fuss, we are avoiding making a precedence.

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        GlenM

        Well I have a deal of sympathy for this family- well settled in for a period of time and good citizens. Bureaucracy for you.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        What did the 2 children do to justify indefinite detention? This is just cruelty, this is the government you support.

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          el gordo

          Its the fault of the parents, economic refugees, who have been given false hope by woke lawyers.

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            Peter Fitzroy

            Sickening isn’t it, you are happy for your government to torture 3 year olds to teach their parents a lesson

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            Peter Fitzroy

            Define economic refugee

            The point remains, our government with your compliance tortures innocent 3 year olds. You have no morals or ethics.

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              el gordo

              They are not fleeing from persecution so they are economic refugees. Its realpolitik in a brave new world.

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                Ian

                I thought Australia was a country based on Christian principles. These principles seem markedly absent from right wing Conservatives.

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                el gordo

                Australia has the best immigration policy in the world, forget your christian principles we are keeping the rabble out. Oz will take migrants with skills who have English as a second language.

                These people are queue jumpers and have no right to be here.

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              Kalm Keith

              Another phallacious comment.

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              el gordo

              Breaking News

              ‘The Tamil asylum seeker family that has been on Christmas Island since 2019 is expected to be released from detention as early as Tuesday.’ (SMH)

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          Murray Shaw

          Peter, nobody is detained, they have just been removed from Australia as they are non-citizens. They are free to go to any other country including their home country of Sri Lanka.
          Please refrain from repeating these falsehoods.
          If they had obeyed our laws and gone home initially, they could probably have been back in Biloela by now.

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            el gordo

            I’m guessing the government is relying on the danger posed to the family if they are forced to leave Australia, a one off because of Covid. Smart move, politically correct.

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      robert rosicka

      The family knew and were warned even before they had children that they were economic migrants and not genuine refugees ,if they had of gone back to Sri Lanka and put in an application they would most likely have been granted resettlement.
      But no these cue jumpers decided to listen to the Green menace and feral ambulance chasing lawyers , they are now probably never going to get a chance to live here by their actions.
      I never hear the Green menace whine about the deaths at sea or the effect on defence force personnel after they pull drowned men women and children out of the sea .

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        Peter Fitzroy

        WTF is an economic migrant?

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          robert rosicka

          Considering the father was going back and forth into and out of Sri Lanka I’m amazed you have to even ask , did either of the couple enter another countries territory before coming here ? They played the system for all its worth and neither are fitting the term our courts call refugee so back they go , it’s their choice they are in detention and can go back home at any time they want and join the queue instead of trying to jump it .
          Again you don’t care about drownings at sea it means nothing to you or your ilk which says a lot about you !

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            Peter Fitzroy

            I see, torture of 3 year olds over their entire life is preferable.

            Robert, your parents or your grandparents were economic refugees, I fail to see the difference, except you are not on christmas island, but you are a hypocrite

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              robert rosicka

              Actually they were economic migrants after WW2 , they applied to immigrate to America (First preference) and to Australia (second) and waited in Europe for their applications to be assessed .
              My father had a criminal record which was courtesy of the Russians charging and imprisoning any landholder and their entire family that wouldn’t sign over their land for free to the Russians and details of convictions didn’t matter then .
              So in short yes they were economic migrants but did join a queue and fill out the relevant paper work and medical checks which we still have .
              And by the way when you did immigrate there was little to no assistance and no free ride like now.

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                PeterPetrum

                My wife and I were “economic migrants” too, I suppose, in 1966. But I had a job to come to and my wife had teaching qualifications that earned her a job, once our Aussie kids were at school. Despite the fact that I had a job to come to, we had to jump through the hoops of having a sponsor and go through health checks and security checks, etc. And we were leaving cold and wet Scotland, so maybe we were “climate refugees” instead, now that I come to think of it. Whatever, it was the best decision we ever made!

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                robert rosicka

                Yes PP all siblings bar one born in Oz and all have worked hard to make a life in this wonderful country that accepted my parents application for settlement.

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              el gordo

              Robert is correct and Mr Fitzroy is wrong. In the old days our people came here to escape poverty, but in the NWO we need to keep our borders closed.

              Of course these days there are no refugees or economic migrants. My understanding of the family in question, they were offered good money if they would just go back home?

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              Annie

              We are not ‘economic refugees’. We had to have proof of job plus sponsors, plenty of money and pass medicals to immigrate. We were far from economic refugees Peter F. We brought plenty of money, three hard-working offspring who have contributed much to this country; not to mention all my husband’s hard work looking after people in our various parishes and helping to rebuild the church in a bushfire area where the old church had burnt down.

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              Broadie

              While your on your high horse PF, how about advocating for children who are in serious danger.

              No doubt ‘crickets’ on this subject from your kind.

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              Doc

              Peter, If you consider a 3yo is being tortured in the presence of its parents then I suggest you make a complaint to the local police who will take it from there. In most people’s minds, 3yo’s are well looked after by the parents. If home life is a torture to them then something is wrong in the parenting – not the government.

              In the circumstances of trying to crash through another nation’s immigration laws, the utilisation of children for the purpose of this action is disgusting. The parents knew their circumstance before conception. Having children in these circumstances is actually an act of blackmail by the parents on the national authorities handling them, the idea being ‘see, we have children you must now consider and accept us’. That is attempted emotional manipulation trying to evade the laws of the land by the parents. I don’t see such manipulation as anything more than an unethical abuse of the act of parenting and an abuse of the kids involved in an act of gambling. To see this argument at its strongest I suggest you see the abuse of children being used to force parental entry to the USA on its southern border.

              I agree these people appear to have been good citizens in the time they have illegally been in Australia. Their plight, as has been pointed out, stems from their refusal to obey the immigration laws of the land. Had they not been so obstinate, probably even now, they could all have returned home and returned here unimpeded under the proper ordinances. Refusal to accept the laws of the land is not a great look if one is looking to immigrate to that land. What other laws are you not going to accept but which apply to everyone else? The principles behind immigration are strict and apply to a very emotive area of law.

              The fact is, the integrity of the national borders can only exist by taking an unemotional legalistic approach to its enforcement. Otherwise there is no law and no such entity as a border. We’ve had years, worldwide, of seeing just what it takes to enforce borders and immigration, and what happens when an emotional hole is used to breech those laws. Some don’t believe in borders. We get some idea of the mess that makes in action on the USA southern border. I hope we don’t get that here and a government that uses such policy to simply try to make permanent, by imported numbers, its own power. That threatens democracy everywhere.

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                robert rosicka

                Better still Doc I wonder how patient these bleeding hearts would be if every time they were in a queue someone pushed in so they were put back one spot in the queue.
                They would scream the house down if it was the queue for the soy latte .

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          Ronin

          Look it up.

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          yarpos

          please, the faux ignorance comes across so phoney

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          Tel

          https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/economic-migrant

          There’s this thing called “The Internet” which connects you to this other thing called “Knowledge”.

          Never in the history of humanity have people had such powers so easily available … and yet fail to be bothered.

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      Yarpos

      Only the professional outragers and hand wringers. I will just carry on thanks.

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      Strop

      Peter, quite the opposite.

      The couple arrived as individuals (they hadn’t met prior) each by boat and requesting asylum.
      Both were assessed and found to not legitimately require asylum. They were told they could not stay but were kindly given bridging visas and generously allowed to stay temporarily. They became a couple here.

      Come time for them to leave they started the multiple appeals and court action to stay. Each appeal has failed and the courts have supported the original decision that asylum was not a legitimate need.

      Australians have generously spent a lot of money giving these people every opportunity to prove their right to stay. We can be proud of that.
      That they started having children and had participated well in the community before their visa expired does not change the fact that they are required to leave.

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        Ronin

        “They were told they could not stay but were kindly given bridging visas and generously allowed to stay”
        That was the govts first mistake, they’ve gone on to make plenty more.
        Send them back to be with other Sri Lankans.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          The whole of Australia, (apart from the dispossessed indigenous) are migrants. This is just cruel yet you support that idea that a 3 year old should be allowed to almost die before help is applied. You have no ethics or moral values do you?

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            Len

            The Australoids came from India.

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            Chris

            That is not true. Aboriginal people didn’t evolve from the reptiles or rocks. There has been three waves of aboriginal migration to Australia each usurping the previous wave. The Maoris are quite happy to admit to the cannibalism of previous generations whereas here history has been rewritten and primary documents have been sealed. We are told aboriginal people lived in utopia and experienced blissful harmony with the environment.

            The best thing that happened to aboriginal people was the arrival of the British – how do you think they would have fared if it was the Spanish, Portuguese , Belgians, Germans, Dutch – Islam ?

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              Analitik

              Add to this that the current aboriginals drove the Tamsnian aborigines off the warmer, lusher mainland to the colder, more desolate island. This must have involved widespread use of force else there would have been pockets of communities of the latter group on the mainland, given that both groups were hunter gatherers rather than settlers.

              Furthermore, fighting occurred between aboriginal tribes just as it did between the North American indigenes.

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            Ian

            Peter Fitzroy “You have no ethics or moral values do you?”

            It certainly seems to be the case. I wonder how many profess to be Christians. Presumably none

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              yarpos

              how could we? Peter has sucked in all the ethics and moral values , not to mention virtue. Just ask him. More FIGJAM Pete?

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            James Murphy

            I was born in Australia. how does that make me a migrant…?

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        Peter Fitzroy

        generously open up Christmas island, allow 3 year old to get so sick she has to be medivaced

        To your other point, you obviously do not support the rule of law, do you?

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          robert rosicka

          Enough with the bleeding heart routine and using the kids as an emotive excuse , as far as a kid getting sick on that island go it happens and I’m sure the medical services offered are as good as most places but a blood infection does require specialist treatment .
          Again it’s the parents decision for them to be on the island they are not refugees just queue jumpers.

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          MP

          The children, what’s your view on abortion?

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          Strop

          The parents of the sick child chose to go to Christmas Island. Their time in detention has been their choice.

          As for supporting the rule of law. I do.
          I don’t understand why you interpret that I don’t given I said we can be proud of the fact we have funded their right to prove their claims of needing asylum.

          The fact that the law and the subsequent court decisions say they’ve run their legal race (at our expense) should leave suggests I’m not the one not respecting the law or the rule of law.

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          yarpos

          My mother in law got so sick she had to be medivaced. Oddly it wasnt the Governments fault. People get sick, it happens, especially lately, there is a lot of it going around.

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    pattoh

    It would appear that those that shouldn’t be are moving from fake science & “Greater Thunderbox”to actively starving the people into submission:-
    https://thephaser.com/2021/06/manufactured-drought-to-cause-food-shortage-climate-totalitarianism/

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      GlenM

      This is the way of the future – stuck in built up enclosures after the great culling. A grim future awaits if people don’t rise up and depose these evil oligarchs.

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      TedM

      Stalin did it, why not the warmanistazi.

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      Ronin

      It’s well under way here with the MDBA, it’s diverting water for ‘ environmental needs’, shorthand for , run it out to sea , don’t use it for anything useful.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Carbon (sic) coal causes bushfire update:

    Yallourn power station closed amid flood fears in Latrobe Valley

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-12/yallourn-mine-evacuates-brown-coal-mine-due-to-floods/100210504

    Yallourn produces 22% of electricity and is set to shut to end bushfires and return to a stable climate. Science.

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      Travis T. Jones

      Note: coal mined closed, not power station due to current flooding.
      My typo.

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      Analitik

      Amazing how that micro reduction in local CO2 emissions, dwarfed by the increases in China over just a month, will have such a profound effect but that’s what “the science” says.

      Note: it’s “the science”, not science that tells us this.

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    Neville

    Even more on the fra-dulent RUINABLES DISASTER.

    Will these con merchants ever wake up and start building RELIABLE BASE-LOAD power stns again and ditch the TOXIC,delusional S&W idiocy??

    https://www.advanceaustralia.org.au/canberra_still_dependent_on_coal_when_media_claims_it_s_reached_100_renewables?utm_campaign=2021_06_11_weekly_enews&utm_medium=email&utm_source=advanceaustraliaorgau

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    TedM

    A bit of information on Ivermectin for Peter Fitzroy and his ill informed Chinese friends.

    https://youtu.be/YV2H6_0i4f0

    Indian Barr association takes action against the WHO over Ivermectin.

    https://youtu.be/WenJhxVWekU

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    Robber

    Last night across the AEMO grid, wind and solar provided just 1,400 MW of the demand that peaked at 27,200 MW.
    Coal provided 15,000 MW, hydro 4,400 MW and gas 6,400 MW.
    Close Liddell 2,000 MW, Yallourn 1,400 MW, and let’s say Callide 1&2 700 MW (after all, isn’t Qld going to go 50% “renewables”?)
    What is going to replace that 4,000 MW of dispatchable power?
    Snowy 2 is planned to deliver 2,000 MW. What will make up the shortfall? More gas, more batteries?

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      TedM

      Snowy 2.0 produces nothing. It may be able to return 80% of of presumably excess power produced by wind or solar over a previous period of time. Excess power that probably won’t be there if coal or gas were not there to have maintained baseload during that previous period of time.

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      Yarpos

      Well you can discount Snowy2 really as you cant really guarantee the water. Batteries dont count for load purposes as they dont generate. Nuclear will never fly, so I guess that leaves gas. We have plenty of that but it will come into the Greenie crosshairs if coal plants close. The future is not rosey.

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        Chris

        The Weekend Australian Magazine ‘The sun kings :solar farms yield bumper crops
        As of April this year 37 distinct projects totalling 7000 megawatts of large scale renewable energy projects for New England either approved or processing through the NSW planning system. Its a combined $11 billion in investments and more are to come.

        NSW Agricultural Minister Adam Marshall says these schemes will provide a “once in a generation change to the economic fabric of the electorate”. When all the New England projects are complete they’ll produce more than 8000MW which will flow into the nation energy grid.

        Read and weep – poor fellow my country…

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        Serp

        Now the flood has admitted water into the Yallourn coal mine and created a fuel shortage necessitating shutdown of all but one unit sit back and watch the green agitation to bring forward the power plant’s scheduled closure.

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        Hanrahan

        A pumped hydro station only needs enough water to replace evaporation. Pumped hydro as an add-on to existing hydro is not available for peaking when the dam is full/overflowing meaning they still have to rely on OC gas for peaking at those times.

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          Chad

          Hanrahan
          June 13, 2021 at 10:54 am · Reply
          A pumped hydro station only needs enough water to replace evaporation. Pumped hydro as an add-on to existing hydro is not available for peaking when the dam is full/overflowing meaning they still have to rely on OC gas for peaking at those times

          ?.? That does not make sense H’ ..
          Pumped hydro generation (as Snowy 2) power capacity is additional to existing “gravitational” Hydro capacity
          (extra turbines and generators) ….and have most capacity when the dams are full and overflowing.
          ..meaning they are most useful for peak time support
          With Snowy 2, it will likely reduce the “duration” of available hydro capacity, but that is irrelevant for peaking coverage.
          Managing dam levels ,..upper and lower,.. is a key part for the success and effectiveness of PH systems……just as it is for Hydro flood control dams.

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          yarpos

          assuming you have the water in the first place held in a perfect system if you think evap is the only loss.

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    MP

    This is the Western Australian amendment to their health act, 2016. I have no idea what “currency start Sep 2019” refers to. 228 pages!
    Section 161 page 106, Authorised officer, can be anyone the government deems, not necessarily police. they can forcibly strip you down and and poison you, they don’t have to identify themselves, there does not even need to be a reason like COVID.

    https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/main_mrtitle_13791_homepage.html

    Opened in PDF. https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legislation/prod/filestore.nsf/FileURL/mrdoc_43155.pdf/$FILE/Public%20Health%20Act%202016%20-%20%5B00-k0-00%5D.pdf?OpenElement

    A video from BC where I got this gem will be nested after this as it will go into moderation.

    The little pig in this video having a bath, that’s a smile!

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    another ian

    “Funding alarmism: the iron triangle + back to the dark ages”

    https://catallaxyfiles.com/2021/06/12/funding-alarmism-the-iron-triangle/

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    MP

    The video from James Corbett (Corbett Report) is on the WEF, globalist agenda and the players involved. It will be attached to this comment as its BC also.

    He does good good work and all he speaks about is attached in his show notes. (links)

    Found it on YT, so it should avoid moderation

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV9c4GDNfxk

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    David Maddison

    Don’t kid yourself as to the true intentions of the Left. They are true to form to their predecessors, the National Socialists and the International Socialists and also following Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty Four to the letter.


    Andrews government secretly negotiating permanent pandemic laws to replace state of emergency

    The Andrews government is secretly negotiating with three crossbenchers to introduce specific pandemic laws that would permanently replace controversial state of emergency powers and significantly change the way the state manages COVID-19 this year.

    Demands made by the powerful crossbenchers in return for their support include a requirement that police record the racial appearance of people they stop or fine for breaching health directions, and that the government is forced to be more transparent with the information and trigger points behind interventions such as lockdowns. Disadvantaged Victorians would also be exempted or pay reduced fines if found contravening restrictions.

    See link for rest.

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/andrews-government-secretly-negotiating-permanent-pandemic-laws-to-replace-state-of-emergency-20210611-p5807t.html

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    OldOzzie

    Only a 4 min 42 secs teaser of NBC Interview, but Putin impresses with his thoughts and ability to express himself

    Putin Reveals Personal Thoughts On Trump & Biden In Rare NBC Interview

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      yarpos

      He is usually pretty impressive. I love the way he calls out the Wests BS and hypocrisy straight to their faces. Tough no nonsense people.

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    Rowjay

    Here in Canberra – “that clean, green bush capital situated on the banks of the Molonglo, surrounded by reality” (description thanks to Tarquin Wombat), we have all been eagerly awaiting the public release of the quarterly reports about network connection and feed-in tariff costs associated with generators that hold a feed-in tariff entitlement – read all about it here.

    In summary:

    These quarterly reports must be publicly released by the Minister within three months of being received by the Minister and must contain:

    – the cost of connecting the generator to the ACT’s electricity distribution system, and maintaining it
    – the quantity of eligible electricity supplied by the generator to the interconnected national electricity
    system in a trading interval
    – the feed-in tariff support payment paid by the ACT electricity distributor to the generator during the quarter.

    The last report released was for the Oct-Dec 2020 quarter. Could the Jan-Mar 2021 report be good news? Anyway, maybe we will see it soon as the ACT Govt has successfully applied for a rather nasty increase in our supply charges because of the increased use of low cost renewable energy. Maybe the reporting delay will allow the simmering heat caused by consumer rage to dissipate through the ozone hole caused by air-conditioning refrigerants. This could be made worse by the proposed reduction/shutting down of natural gas supply to the hardy residents.

    One trend that seems to have escaped our leaders is the forced shift in peak electricity usage from the summer months to the winter months in SE Australia due to the increased use of said air conditioners/?heat pumps during the cool seasons at the expense of gas/wood heating. I have relatives down in the Dandenongs (east of Melbourne) that have been without power for the last very chilly 3 days, hopefully back on connection tomorrow. You could not buy a portable genset for love or money in Melbourne right now, and according to my relo’s, the hills are alive with the sound of ICE’s. Theirs is powering their ducted gas heating system in the evenings to maintain a bit of comfort.

    So it is the cooler months that we in SE Australia will have to be concerned about losing power – not the warmer ones.

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      Ronin

      “Maybe the reporting delay will allow the simmering heat caused by consumer rage to dissipate through the ozone hole caused by air-conditioning refrigerants.”

      Just love it. !!!!!

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    MP

    A little mishmash of clips for your Sunday morning entertainment.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/orAr0k2zZwrw/

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    You wonder why the real situation with respect to electrical power generation is never reported ….. by anyone, unless of course it’s a fire caused by a coal fired power plant, or a flood closing a coal fired power plant.

    So here we have the Loy Yang brown coal fired power plant in Victoria. Loy Yang A opened in 1985, (so now 36 years old) and B in 1993. (so now 28 years old) Both A and B are now older than the best case hoped for life span of any wind plant.

    All six Units at Loy Yang have a total Nameplate of 3280MW. At the moment they are delivering 3240MW, so the whole plant is operating at just under 99% Capacity Factor. it rolls along at around that same output day in, day out over recent times. One Unit (A4) is only delivering at 75%, while B1 and B2 are operating at around 115% for most of the time, so that makes for the overall all but 100% operation.

    Now, on the other hand, we have the Macarthur Wind Plant, with a Nameplate of 420MW and costing $1.2 Billion and it’s now just 8 years old. It has NEVER delivered its full Nameplate of 420MW, not even for one five minute recording time period. The best it can manage is around 340MW or so, but those days are long gone now. It’s year round average Capacity Factor is 24%, lower than the whole wind fleet average of 29%, because it has extended periods of time totally off line. It is currently delivering (right now 10AM) ZERO output power. The average power delivery for all of Saturday was around 20MW, at a CF of a little under 5%.

    Across a whole year you get 3.7 times the power out of ONE Unit at Loy Yang than the whole of Macarthur wind plant.

    So, yesterday:

    Loy Yang – 3240MW Average. Total generated power 77,760MWH.
    Macarthur – 20MW Average. Total Generated power 480MWH.

    The total Nameplate for all wind plants in Victoria is 3105MW, so not much less than the Nameplate for Loy Yang.

    Loy Yang – total generated power 77,760MW (Capacity Factor 99%)

    Every wind plant in Victoria – total generated power 9,300MW (Capacity Factor 12.5%)

    Now, you tell me. Just which power source is ‘running’ Victoria.

    Tony.

    Incidentally, all four Units at the Callide plant in Queensland are still off line, coming up for three weeks now. Remember the talking heads saying power at the plant would be back on line ….. soon.

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      Chad

      …….all four Units at the Callide plant in Queensland are still off line, coming up for three weeks now.

      Are you thinking there is something common to other units damaged ?
      Or that they suspect there maybe a basic flaw in the turbine design, ( as with aero engine failure protocol ?)

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      David Maddison

      Tony, it’s not fully operational yet but could you please keep an eye on the Stockyard Hill Wind Farm. It is Australia’s newest wind subsidy farm and an horrific eyesore.

      It’s claimed nameplate is 530MW and it is Australia’s largest parasitic connection to the grid.

      It’s owned by Goldwind Australia, a Chi-comm company.

      I made a video showing a small portion of this monstrosity. It’s destroyed a beautiful rural landscape.

      https://youtu.be/obMDlcFNX8s

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      Brian the Engineer

      Hi Tony

      There is probably a good reason but can you clarify the statements below?

      The total Nameplate for all wind plants in Victoria is 3,105MW
      Every wind plant in Victoria – total generated power 9,300MW

      Probably a definition thing?

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      Raven

      Incidentally, all four Units at the Callide plant in Queensland are still off line, coming up for three weeks now. Remember the talking heads saying power at the plant would be back on line ….. soon.

      CS Energy have appointed an external engineer, Dr Sean Brady, to lead a full investigation into the incident.

      Return to service dates for Callide have been delayed, now as follows:

      B station:
      Unit 1 = 15 June
      Unit 2 = 20 June

      C station:
      Unit 3 = 2 July
      Unit 4 = Anyone’s guess….

      More here: https://www.csenergy.com.au/news/dr-sean-brady-to-lead-independent-investigation-into-callide-incident

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    OldOzzie

    Although from November 2019, excellent article on why not to do business in China

    How to Conduct Business with Chinese Companies That See a Dark Future

    NOVEMBER 13, 2019

    We are seeing the results of all this in many ways.

    Practically every week one of our China lawyers will get an email or a phone call from someone who bought product from China and received nothing in return or nothing even approaching what they actually ordered. This sending of “junk” instead of real product has spread to pretty much every industry in China and ordering your products from allegedly reputable online sites provides little to no protection.

    The below email (modified so as not to reveal anything) is par for the course:

    I worked with a company in China to manufacture doggy beds [I made this up] on which I have a U.S. patent pending and also have trademarked. I received samples from them and all was good. I placed an order for 50,000 pieces and they are of the wrong material and falling apart. They told me they would send me the right product but now they are ghosting me. I cannot sell the product they sent me. I’m still trying to get my new product to market but that is proving really difficult because I have been hurt so badly financially. Can you help?

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      OldOzzie

      Wolves in the weeds as Beijing’s harsh diplomacy backfires

      Looking tired and anxious, Beijing’s ambassador Cheng Jingye has almost entirely retreated from Canberra’s diplomatic social scene. It turns out enemies are everywhere.

      Some are worried that Xi has taken it too far

      Eight years on, with the wolf warrior volume turned up to 11, there is grumbling in Beijing about China’s anti-diplomatic diplomacy. Some voices have even sugg­ested that China may have clubbed Australia a bit too hard.

      Last December, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian caused a diplomatic storm by tweeting a provocative artwork of an Australian soldier murdering an Afghan child.

      The popular nationalist blogger Ren Yi – who writes under the pen name “Chairman Rabbit” – told his more than two million fans on Chinese social media that Zhao’s approach was not helping China. Ren even suggested the pugnacious Zhao had been unknowingly “Trumpised”, a cutting insult in Xi’s China.

      “This is very dangerous,” wrote the Beijing-based, Harvard University-educated princeling.

      While he agreed uppity Australia was a deserving target for a few “pokes”, he argued worsening China-Australia relations would hurt China. It would make the new Biden administration tougher on China.

      “Regarding this dispute between China and Australia, the ­author believes that China should cool down now. After all, Biden’s primary goal is to repair the relationship with allies, not to repair the relationship with China.”

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    MP

    YT vid on CO2 and sea level rise, presented by AJ.https://duckduckgo.com/?q=iceagefarmer+youtube&atb=v214-1&ia=web
    My whale caused sea level rise goes out the window.

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    MP

    This video is from “The ice age farmer and is on the coming food shortages. The drought in Australia, where farmers could not grow crops due to water shortages, while the rivers flowed bank to bank comes to mind, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7211833/China-revealed-biggest-foreign-owner-Australian-water.html

    https://youtu.be/sZ8NDupCAcM

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      Dennis

      Licences to access available water is not useful during a drought and when “environmental water flows” are released for the environment which is apparently more important than people and farming activities.

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      David Maddison

      It’s unlikely Australia will survive the next cold period because by then we will have destroyed most of our coal and gas electricity generation and we’ll still be terrified of nuclear.

      Solar and wind don’t actually count as useful power generation.

      And farmers will have no water due to a failure to build dams and pipelines and refusal to sell farmers water allocations.

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        el gordo

        The next cool period will only last 25 years before it warms up again, our farmers should survive that alright.

        Premier Gladys has been good on helping farmers to use water more sparingly, this quiet infrastructure building has been going on for awhile, Because of the drought, dams are being raised with new pipelines attached.

        Coal and gas will continue to support renewables, that is understandable, so the mix should alter over time depending on environmental and commercial considerations. Obviously I have factored in the assumption that AGW is falsified.

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          Serp

          Regarding AGW el gordo it seems you have yet to realize it is intended to be unfalsifiable. In enlightened times I’d suggest you head for the academy and pick up some units on Pseudoscience but alas the New Dark Age is upon us…

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            el gordo

            The new pause in temperature should falsify AGW because its not the scientific paradigm they have constructed with their models. As the PDO drifts into negative territory it should falsify AGW.

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              Analitik

              The initial ‘hiatus’ defies the modelling used to generate the IPCC “forecasts” so nothing will change on that front. Scientific falsification will continue to be ignored.

              Only economic pressure will cause the public to realize they have been hoodwinked on this will CAGW meme along with its associated “transition to renewables”

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                el gordo

                The renewables debate can only happen once the climate wars have come to an end.

                Its true that the first pause should have falsified AGW, but unfortunately the PDO returned to neutral conditions for a decade and global warming was back on the agenda.

                This second pause won’t be so easy for them to explain, whereas all of us here already know exactly what is going on. Natural variability rules.

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                Analitik

                The public will ignore evidence from a second hiatus because they won’t comprehend it in the context presented by the MSM. Pain in the pocketbook is the only sure means to really get people to pay attention and the eventual exposure of the renewables scam will take down the CAGW scam – not the reverse.

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        MP

        Almost like there is a conspiracy

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    David Maddison

    NSW coldest June day in 122 years.

    I wonder how long before this is stricken from the record?

    https://www.thechestnutpost.com/news/nsw-records-coldest-june-day-in-122-years-9-news-australia/

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      Dennis

      Removed and filed away with BoM before 1910 weather record data?

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      G’day MP,
      Today I’m claiming a personal ( and local ) best for an observation of a record error of 6 degrees C in the BoM forecast, noticed in today’s Weatherzone post at 3:42 pm:
      Forecast minimum: 0 = zero;
      Actual minimum:… +6.
      My previous best was 5 C. The location I watch is Mudgee airport, NSW.
      And the link, which would show the error, until midnight tonight:
      https://www.weatherzone.com.au/nsw/central-tablelands/mudgee&rss2=fc

      Cheers
      Dave B

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        MP

        Me?

        That says “forecast”, = best guess, not actual, unless I missed something?
        Do they like BOM run their 24hr clock 9 to 9, not midnight to midnight?

        Can’t un-email an email, much to my horror occasionally. Or comment!

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          David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

          A real G’day MP,
          Sorry about that. Will try to get it right in the future.
          I meant to tie it in to D M.
          Your question about their timing requires several answers. Their rainfall reports are the same as the BoM: 9 am to 9 am, with an hourly update when it’s actually raining, but their forecast rainfall is for the 24 hours midnight to midnight They also give a ” Currently at Mudgee AP” box which I think is true to label.
          Cheers
          Dave B

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    Dennis

    Country Gippsland Victoria, last week a power outage from 8 pm to midday the following day during a very cold start to winter, and reported to me by friends not to be an unusual occurrence in their district east of where the Hazlewood Power Station used to operate and generate up to 25 per cent of Victoria’s electricity.

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    Dennis

    It is annoying me that the EV propaganda sales and marketing publicity is so misleading on range.

    It is rarely mentioned that 10 per cent of battery energy cannot be used because of the management system protecting the battery life. Or that recommended and fastest recharging involves 80 per cent, so 20 per cent is not available when charged in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommendation.

    And no mention of variable energy drain like air conditioning on, how many people and luggage aboard, how many hills, any headwinds, speed driven particularly for highway travelling.

    In the Daily Telegraph recently the Motoring Editor commented: “The entry-level (Tesla 3) Standard Range Plus has an electric range of about 500 km …….”.

    Does it really?

    Or is the real world usable range more like 300-350 km driven sensibly?

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      yarpos

      You are worried about parameters when most consumers only care about effective range. They dont give a rats patootie how the battery management system works, although eyebrows where raised when Tesla “turned on” extra capacity over the air as people were fleeing a hurricane in the US. One of those “wait a minute….” moments.

      The variable stuff applies equally to ICE vehicles and we really only have generic city and hwy consumption rates for those as well.

      As my signature line in another forum (car one as it happens) “Reality is always sub optimal”

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        Analitik

        The range for an ICE powered vehicle is much less variable with loading changes than an EV. Also, fuel density does not vary greatly with temperature, unlike battery capacity.

        Towing with EVs will really demonstrate these limitations and the horse and boat crowd will not be amused when they are forced to recharge mid way to a reasonably distant paddock or body of water.

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          Dennis

          Approximately half the distance compared to an EV not towing a heavy trailer, so what I wrote earlier, around 300-350 km for the Tesla without trailer therefore 150-175 km towing a trailer.

          There was a video road test comparison of a Tesla SUV EV (much more expensive than a diesel Toyota Land Cruiser V8) and the Land Cruiser bothy towing an indentical caravan. The test route was from Penrith in the Sydney Western Suburbs to Bathurst just across the Great Dividing Range, test route chosen because the Tesla towing the caravan could not travel further whereas the Land Cruiser used less than a quarter of its fuel tank to reach Bathurst.

          The point?

          That a Tesla SUV EV could easily tow the caravan even climbing hills.

          Pity about the long wait to recharge, 40 minutes or more to achieve 80 per cent charge, as recommended by Tesla for regular recharging, so not enough to get back to Penrith.

          Meanwhile the electricity is generated mainly by fossil fuel burning generators in Australia.

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          yarpos

          Sounds like you dont do much towing

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            Dennis

            I have been driving for over fifty years and towing trailers often, from 2013 I drove 200,000 kms in a new 4WD and traded it in on a new 4WD which has now travelled 110,000 km despite the COVID restrictions reducing my away from home driving considerably since 2000. I have recently returned from Queensland.

            I have a large caravan, a large trailer and a small boat on a trailer and earlier a very heavy fibreglass half cabin trailer boat.

            Interstate touring is one of my pastimes since retiring.

            I don’t understand what this has to do with my comment about an EV verses ICEV towing road test?

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            Analitik

            I think yarpos was referring to my comment about the reduction in range for an EV vs an ICEV.

            EVs only have decent highway range with large batteries and good aerodynamics. ICEVs have greater cooling requirements so EVs can be designed to have a considerably lower drag coefficient. Hooking up a trailer largely destroys any aerodynamic advantage so the range of the EV drops off considerably more than for an equivalent ICEV.

            While I don’t tow much these days, I had to quite a lot when racing motorcycles.

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            Hanrahan

            Yarpos, my friend, you may have missed the fact that Dennis’ 4WDs routinely have large fuel tanks, or as a low cost extra, and a jerry can for emergency. With Tesla extra batteries would cost a fortune and make it a land barge. There is no jerry can of electrons on the market.

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        Dennis

        You did not understand my point, if the battery management system does not allow discharge below 10 per cent of battery capacity then RANGE is reduced by 10 per cent.

        If recharging more than 80 per cent of battery capacity is not recommended as a regular habit then 20 per cent of RANGE is not obtainable.

        So before considering the other variable energy usage factors to start 30 per cent of claimed theoretical RANGE is not achievable.

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          Hanrahan

          To be fair Dennis Tesla’s quoted range does not include the last 10% of battery charge.

          I get <90% of range in summer V winter. Even in my hybrid with an electric aircon this holds true.

          I sometimes drive Charters Towers to Clermont. It is not one you would drive at night, roos etc. For nine months a year it is hot and in my V6 Honda I once did much of it @ 140 – 50 kph [I didn't get home to T'vlle on a tank]. The thought of doing that @ 90 kph with no aircon [range anxiety] is unattractive.

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    David Maddison

    I am interested in opinions on this article.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin

    Vaccine researcher admits ‘big mistake,’ says spike protein is dangerous ‘toxin’

    ‘Terrifying’ new research finds vaccine spike protein unexpectedly in bloodstream. The protein is linked to blood clots, heart and brain damage, and potential risks to nursing babies and fertility.

    Mon May 31, 2021 – 5:22 pm EST

    By Celeste McGovern

    Editor’s Note: This article has been amended to note that 11 of 13 vaccinated subjects in a recent Ogata study had detectable protein from SARS coronavirus in their bloodstream including three people who had measurable spike protein. Whereas the article referenced a statement from Professor Bridle’s group stating that spike protein was present for 29 days in one person, the study in question states that spike protein was found in the person on Day 29, one day after a second vaccine injection and was undetectable two days later.

    May 31, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — New research shows that the coronavirus spike protein from COVID-19 vaccination unexpectedly enters the bloodstream, which is a plausible explanation for thousands of reported side-effects from blood clots and heart disease to brain damage and reproductive issues, a Canadian cancer vaccine researcher said last week.

    “We made a big mistake. We didn’t realize it until now,” said Byram Bridle, a viral immunologist and associate professor at University of Guelph, Ontario, in an interview with Alex Pierson last Thursday, in which he warned listeners that his message was “scary.”

    SEE LINK FOR REST

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      Analitik

      Perfectly logical and predictable that the spike proteins wreck havoc since they are the mechanism that allows the virus to enter cells.

      The binding and then cleaving action of the spike proteins will inevitably damage cells wherever they go before the antibodies are generated to clean them up. The damage that will be caused is unpredictable and inversely proportional to body weight since the dosage is standard. Women and children are therefore more likely to experience side-effects.

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      John R Smith

      We see the greatest hysteria of human history.
      A complex web of hysterias.
      At the core is the rise of the worship of ‘science’ as a religion.
      Consensus morphed into “We Believe Science is Real” … there are literally dozens of these signs in my neighborhood.
      Then came Trump.
      These same hysterics (most members of the Tech class) reacted hysterically.
      Then by chance (if you’re naive) came the pandemic.
      And the population appealed to the new Priests to be saved from the new fire breathing dragon.
      With in an injection.
      “Please deliver your Holy Science into my very blood for Salvation.”
      And conveniently blamed the new Devil.
      And were able to expel him from the garden.

      A guy that once ranted about overpopulation suddenly wanted every living human to be vaccinated.

      “We made a big mistake.”
      The Mother of all understatements.

      I sincerely hope I have this all wrong.

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        Hanrahan

        At the core is the rise of the worship of ‘science’ as a religion.

        The moment someone says “I believe the science” you know they wouldn’t know science if it bit them on the bum.

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    David Maddison

    Strange how the Left want to destroy nearly all statues but they don’t complain about BBC’s pedophile statue. This article written 2013 but statue still there.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313057/BBC-urged-remove-sculpture-naked-boy-outside-Broadcasting-House-creator-raped-daughters.html

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    David Maddison

    The Left hate white people (even if they’re white themselves) but it was white people who were first to abolish slavery.

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      TdeF

      But they don’t hate yellow, brown, tan, light black people. It’s racism. Even Hitler claimed the Germans were descended from the light skinned Indian Aryan tribes. Are there shades of white, from Irish to Hungarian? Who knows? And as 90% of US black violence is black on black, what do you call that? Systemic black violence?

      And no one admits that it was the British who hounded slavers from the oceans over decades, hunting down the slave ships. And the Americans with only three boats destroyed the Arab slavers in the attack on the slavers and pirate fleet in Tripoli, the Pirates of Barbary who had enslaved over a million white people, whole villages from the shores of Ireland. It’s in the National Anthem, to the shores of Tripoli and was the foundation rationale for the American Navy under Thomas Jefferson and their first overseas action.

      The left hate white people because they are continually attacking everything American and British. It’s absurd because racism is endemic in most non democratic countries but illegal in America and Britain. Christianity makes the West vulnerable because people are taught guilt. It’s not a concept which worries many others.

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        Dennis

        Germania was named by the Romans, now Germany, because of the Germanic Tribes that defeated a Roman Army who settled there from northern lands, often referred to as Vikings but that describes their sailing adventures or expeditions not their ethnic group.

        For example the Goths were from Gotland Island in the Baltic Sea not far away from the coastline of Sweden and became part of that country by mutual agreement hundreds of years ago.

        “Vikings” travelled very long distances around the Northern Hemisphere and possibly into the Southern Hemisphere, and even at times indulged in capturing and selling slaves. I understand that this was not unusual in the ancient world.

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          TdeF

          And the bulk of the Eastern peoples were known as Slavs, from which we get slaves. Before machinery, there was slavery in every socliety. And before the industrial revolution in Britain which expanded quickly around the world, everyone worked in heavy manual jobs, and with very long hours often from childhood and the difference with lifelong slavery was almost zero. Freedom was a great idea, but from what? Life was really tough for almost everyone. And medicine as we know it did not exist.

          To retrospectively rail against slavery is to be ignorant of it. In fact slaves were really freed by the industrial revolution, machinery, now robots. This BLM business is just another attack on the people who freed the slaves, by accusing them of being the slavers. And Churchill is now a racist? As James Delingpole wrote, you should see the man he beat.

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      Dennis

      It is conveniently forgotten that US slaves were purchased from African slave dealers who have been in the slave business for probably thousands of years.

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        Chris

        True. Joseph was sold by his brothers around 2000 BCE to the Arab slave traders and resold in Egypt.

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      John R Smith

      We could have ‘Wh!te Shame Month”.

      The calendar is filling up. Like Medieval religious days.

      “This is George Floyd Day. Those of us that survive this day, will strip is sleeve and say ‘these wounds I had on George Floyd Day'”.

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    TdeF

    Coal provides all the base load in Australia and perhaps 80% of the power, so it is really appalling to see a Melbourne tram advertising Clean Energy. Like the Clean Energy Finance corporation, the Clean Energy Council, the Clean Energy Regulator and spin offs like the Australian Renewable Energy Agency. It’s endless propaganda with our money.

    What is dirty about carbon dioxide? You cannot even see it? And you are breathing it out now, like every other living thing, but you are dirty. And humans are the problem, along with termites, sheep, cattle, crops, cars, planes, airconditioners, BITCOIN, computers, everything on the planet. And the payback for CO2 savings with windmills and solar panels can be 8 years, so Clean Energy is a lie, even based on carbon dioxide ‘pollution’.

    So why are we paying and paying for this propaganda. We are living in a reeducation camp at our own expense.

    There is nothing dirty about clean, invisible, tiny CO2. Our human output is utterly inconsequential. And in the list of environmental concerns the real concern is that there is not enough of it to feed a rapidly growing population because all plants are made from CO2.

    And as the CSIRO and NASA now admit, the world has greened by about 30%. They fail to point out that this has had zero effect on total CO2, so it is obvious that the biosphere does not control CO2 levels at all. A real scientist would notice. World green is proportional to CO2, therefore it is a dependent variable, not a controlling variable. It’s as if CO2 levels are subject to some giant equilibrium involving the sun and the vast oceans and we are irrelevant. But it’s still dirty, dirty, dirty. And our fault.

    We have to thank our government for forcing us to pay fortunes hidden in our electricity bills for Chinese solar panels and windmills for others, some of the world’s highest carbon taxes except they are gifted to strangers and foreigners, including the same Chinese companies. We feel so much cleaner with our Clean Chinese Energy while they buy our dirty iron and coal.

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      TdeF

      Australia’s needs are near constant over the day, so who has actually proposed a solution? There is only fossil fuel and nuclear.

      And I have yet to hear a plan to supply the base load. Solar is only available for half the day or less. Wind often not at all. Batteries last seconds. And in a very dry country, water is a very limited resource needed for farming. As Tasmania found out, if you sell all your water for electricity and the rains do not come, you cannot grow food.

      If you cannot supply base load, you have no country, no manufacturing, no jobs. But who wants manufacturing and jobs anyway? We can all work from home on computers, pedal powered like the early radios.

      We just have to sell more iron ore and coal to China. Their CO2 is not our problem.

      It’s like an aircraft without engines, socially responsible, borderline insane. Or Australia’s environmentally friendly Green diesel submarines when they are so slow and limited and we have no diesel. Like guns without ammunition.

      There is something very wrong when everyone is talking renewables when by the time 2050 comes around, it will all have to be replaced. With what?

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        Ronin

        My vote is for SMR to supply electricity during the day and desal water at night, supply dams and rivers.

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      Ronin

      It’s just a scam based on fear, just like the Ozone scam, now CO2 fears, and possibly Covid, what’s next, an asteroid tax or a magnetic field tax.

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    another ian

    “CDC Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Shows Stunning Increase in Deaths Due to COVID Vaccine
    June 12, 2021 | Sundance | 147 Comments

    According to the VAERS reporting system (within the CDC) there were 5,997 currently reported fatalities in 2021 attributed to vaccinations during the first half of this year.

    Of that 5,997 number: 5,888 are directly attributed to COVID vaccinations.”

    More at

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/06/12/cdc-vaccine-adverse-event-reporting-system-vaers-shows-stunning-increase-in-deaths-due-to-covid-vaccine/

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      another ian

      Comments on other blogs

      On the graph there

      “Now that is a real hockey stick”

      And

      “The cure is worse than the disease”

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    MP

    This video is by a couple of ladies and is called fall Cabal #14. They have a series called “Fall Cabal” or “fall of the Cabal” all in the +more section below the video. 35mins
    If you think everything is rosy, maybe this will/will not help.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/91zG8I6UIAAE/

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    Peter C

    The Election Audit in Arizona is almost complete. They should produce a report to the Senate in Arizona very soon, probably Tuesday.
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/06/11/arizona-update-from-kelli-ward-paper-ballot-counting-nearly-finished-several-states-reviewing-process-thousands-of-volunteers/

    This could be a very big event. Ten more states have sent observers and may move to conduct their own audits.

    A rumour is that there are not enough paper ballots to match the votes shown by the voting machines. That would fit with ballot papers being scanned multiple times, hence the missing ballots are going to be Biden votes.

    Standby.

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      Peter C

      They say we might have to wait another week.

      They are looking at duplicated ballots. Duplicated ballots are legal: The ballot paper may have been damaged. Armed forces and other overseas voters can vote by fax/email but the votes need to be copied over onto a form that can be read by the machine. There are braille ballots and large print ballots and a few other categories.

      However all the original material has to be kept. They are looking to see that there is a one to one correspondence between the original ballot and the duplicated ballot.

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    OldOzzie

    Review of General Manager Remuneration – Consultation Paper

    The NSW Minister for Local Government has announced a review of general manager and senior staff remuneration.

    A consultation paper has been issued to seek the views of the local government sector and other stakeholders and the broader community.

    Currently, councils are free to determine the remuneration they pay to their general managers and senior staff based on a range of considerations including the skills and experience applicants bring to the role, the size and operational complexity of the council, market conditions and industry benchmarks. Councils are required to publicly report on the remuneration they pay to their general managers and senior staff in their annual reports.

    The consultation paper examines how executive remuneration is set in other jurisdictions and at other levels of government. It considers a range of options from maintaining the status quo through to introducing greater regulation of the remuneration councils may pay to their general managers and senior staff.

    Review of General Manager Remuneration – Consultation Paper – PDF

    Send your written submission to:

    Post: Locked Bag 3015, NOWRA NSW 2541
    Email: [email protected]

    Submissions should be labelled ‘Review of General Manager and Senior Staff Remuneration’ and marked to the attention of OLG’s Council Governance Team.

    Submissions should be made by COB 9 August 2021.

    For more information, please contact the OLG Council Governance Team on (02) 4428 4100 or via email at [email protected].

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    OldOzzie

    Seasonal flu ‘nowhere to be seen’ in Australia

    Experts who have spent decades studying the seasonal flu in Australia have never seen anything like it. A virus once detected tens of thousands of times year is almost nowhere to be seen.

    “It’s either eradicated, or it’s at such low levels we’re having trouble detecting it,” said the Doherty Institute’s Professor Ian Barr.

    Influenza had already been pushed to record low levels in 2020, when just a few hundred cases were reported each month through winter after Australia shut its international border. But since then, cases have again dropped, almost to zero. In May, there were just 71 confirmed cases across the country, compared to more than 30,000 in the same month in 2019.

    This disappearance of the flu wasn’t necessarily expected. It was thought that cases could resurge as most Australians began freely mingling again.

    While experts say that is still a possibility — and there are some fresh warning signs it will — for now, the absence of cases is due to the fact they aren’t being imported from overseas. If they are, cases are petering out in quarantine.

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      el gordo

      ‘ … the absence of cases is due to the fact they aren’t being imported from overseas.’

      That is true, by stopping people flying in with the flu, its been successfully eradicated in Australia.

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    Jock

    Ok guys. Off mark I know and I am showing my lack if IT skills. I cannot get rid of the obnoxious adverts by greenpiss when I go to WUWT. I continually close them and give feedback that they are inappropriate. But they continually reappear. It’s harassmentand I loath it. How do I get rid of them or should I go to duck?

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      OldOzzie

      Surf the web with no annoying ads

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      Adblock Plus is free and open source (GPLv3+)
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      With DuckDuckGo as Browser on Chrome and Firefox, and AdBlock Plus on both browsers plus AVG VPN work excellently – when I want to read sites that won’t allow AdBlock – go to Safari with no AdBlock

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      MP

      You should be on DDG, but I have noticed results are going mainstream now, much like google.
      Can’t remember if I have ever had an add.

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      yarpos

      Keep it simple , download and use the Brave browser. The Web gets much quieter.

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        another ian

        Show your true colours – download the “Dissenter” version of Brave if you are going that way

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    OldOzzie

    Debunking Dark Emu: did the publishing phenomenon get it wrong?

    In 2014, Bruce Pascoe’s Dark Emu revolutionised interpretations of Indigenous history, arguing that Aboriginal people engaged in agriculture, irrigation and construction prior to the arrival of Europeans. Now, in a new book, two highly respected academics say that there is little evidence for these claims.

    When you have lost FauxFax SMH you are in deep dodo.

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      TdeF

      Or in Australian terms, deep Kakyadu.

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      Serp

      He’s already been debunked by Peter O’Brien’s book Bitter Harvest which could safely be ignored since it is spawned by the anathematised Quadrant community but these fellows are from within the pale so well may Pascoe be saying he feels more Cornish every day as was recently reported.

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      Dennis

      Journalist Andrew Bolt has researched Bruce Pascoe’s background and published details indicating that he is Anglo Saxon from the UK, and that Australian Aborigines Bolt discussed this with told him they do not accept that Pascoe is one of them.

      As far as I am aware Pascoe has not denied the Bolt claim or challenged him to retract it.

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    Chris

    if you are elderly and die of Covid -that’s terrible. However if you are elderly and die from the injection that’s OK.

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/272-deaths-tied-to-covid-jab-the-australian-drug-regulatory-body-reports_3854214.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink

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      yarpos

      I think the vaccine has killed more people than the virus this year in Australia.

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        MP

        One this year, with the Rona?
        272 without.

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          yarpos

          think you may be comparing apples and oranges, in Australia were the key words

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            MP

            One person has passed away after testing positive to the Corona virus disease this year to date. Apples
            272 people have died so far this year from the cure to this deadly virus. the “Vaccine won’t be going away this summer. Oranges

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    I have (finally) finished the last Part of my Series on the future for coal fired power.

    This was a really eye opening thing for me.

    You get so used to hearing that coal fired power is dying, and that it will be stranded assets, and even though I had a good idea there was a future for coal fired power, you hear the opposite so often, and from every source known to man that perhaps doubts come in.

    Not any more.

    This latest advancement means that this latest tech version of coal fired power is probably the most advanced form of power generation on Earth at the moment.

    And seriously, if you want the huge amounts of power required to actually run a Country, then it’s only coal fired power which can do this, because very few Countries have the ability (or the money) to do Nukes.

    Keep in mind here that this Advanced UltraSuperCritical coal fired power is three levels of technology higher than nearly every coal fired plant in Australia, and emits up to 30% less CO2 on an equivalent generated power basis, because it burns way less coal, and does that more efficiently.

    And the truth is that these plants are now being constructed not just in China, but in other Countries as well.

    Link to new Post – Coal Fired Power Dying – Not So Fast – Part Four – SteamH, The Future For Coal Fired Power

    Tony.

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      TdeF

      The real value in producing less CO2 is that you are burning less coal for the same amount of power. Great. That stretches the lifetime of our coal, which is true conservation.

      Not burning coal and selling it to India and China is rank hypocrisy, not conservation. CO2 like H2O are the essential elements of photosynthesis, without which life would not exist. How one of them is classed as pollution defies belief.

      How the conservation movement became the Green movement and the enemy of civilization is a story of manipulation and massive profits and communism. And it is driven by those who believe everything they are told, like so many cults.

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      Raven

      Hi Tony,
      Would you care to comment on this, please?

      From another site, there is a poster talking about the upcoming closure of various power plants over the next 15 years.
      Given the lead time to build major projects, there’s not going to be a lot left. Does this sound right?

      Coal:
      Liddell (NSW)
      Vales Point B (NSW)
      Eraring (NSW)
      Bayswater (NSW)
      Yallourn (Vic)
      Callide B (Qld)
      Gladstone (Qld)
      Tarong units 1 & 2 (Qld)

      Liquid Fuel:
      Broken Hill (NSW)
      Eraring (NSW)
      Hunter Valley (NSW)
      Port Lincoln (SA)
      Snuggery (SA)
      Mt Stuart units 1 & 2 (Qld)

      Natural Gas:
      Torrens Island A (SA)
      Osborne (SA)
      Dry Creek (SA)
      Hallett (SA)
      Ladbroke Grove (SA)
      Mintaro (SA)
      Torrens Island B (SA)
      Somerton (Vic)
      Roma (Qld)
      Swanbank E (Qld)
      Daandine (Qld)
      Barcaldine (Qld)

      All gone 15 years from now?

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        Kalm Keith

        A scary thought.

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        Raven,

        for me, it’s just a patient waiting game really.

        They can say, and write whatever they want, but soon, someone, somewhere, is going to have to come out and say just how much we really do need those power plants, especially those coal fired plants.

        They CANNOT replace them with renewables, or rooftop solar (which only supplies the Residential sector, and not even just a part of that sector) so there is no replacement for them.

        It’s not until you put the Nameplates alongside those power plants that the reality sinks in: (and here, I’ll just do those coal fired plants)

        Liddell (NSW) – 2000MW
        Vales Point B (NSW) – 1320MW
        Eraring (NSW) – 2820MW
        Bayswater (NSW) – 2640MW
        Yallourn (Vic) – 1480MW
        Callide B (Qld) – 720MW
        Gladstone (Qld) – 1680MW
        Tarong units 1 & 2 (Qld) – 700MW

        There’s a total of 13,360MW.

        The total coal fired plant fleet in those three States is 23,020MW

        Take out that 58% (Nameplate) and I don’t care what anyone says, that’s Australia going black right there.

        They will HAVE TO replace like with like.

        Someone will just have to come out and say it sooner or later.

        The politics of closing down power and the end result of doing that will be something akin to political $u1c1de, for ANY political party.

        And all this talk of changing to electric cars, and doing away with natural gas, well that will add a considerable amount of extra electrical power consumption across the board, and they want to close down those power plants (just those coal fired plants mentioned above) which already, right now, deliver more than 40% of ALL of Australia’s generated power.

        You just CANNOT take those plants out of the system without replacing them with something which CAN actually deliver that same amount of power.

        Australia’s current total power consumption per year is 204TWH, and rising each year. (and in the measurements you see on your power bill, that 204TWH is 204,000,000,000KWH)

        Those eight coal fired plants up for closure deliver 80TWH of that total.

        You CANNOT just arbitrarily close that. And put aside what happens if that occurs. Imagine the political fallout associated with that. That of itself is why it will not happen.

        Australia consumes on average 23,125MW of power EVERY HOUR.

        Across the whole year, that Nameplate above of 13,360MW delivers an average of 9250MW in generated power in that total average consumption of 23125MW. (40%)

        Soon now, someone is going to need to explain to the Australian public that we just cannot do without that power.

        Until that happens, I just wait patiently, safe in the knowledge that it WILL happen.

        Tony.

        Post Script – The Maths is all correct. You just need to differentiate between Nameplate and Generated power ….. as I have always said.

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          Raven

          Thanks, Tony. Much appreciated.

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          Kalm Keith

          And another thank you Tony.

          This is not just weird thinking; it’s politics with purpose.

          The purpose being to squeeze as much out of the voters as is humanly possible.

          Here in NovoCastria the “mooment” were so bloody minded that they milked the NSW State Dockyard stupid until it collapsed.

          The workers who lost jobs and future jobs were of no concern to the “mooment” whose thoughts and aspirations were always elsewhere.

          They played on the human vulnerability of envy without worrying about the consequences.

          That’s the model for modern politics; get it while you can because it may all collapse tomorrow.

          Tomorrow is not far away.

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        yarpos

        Tell ’em they’re dreamin’

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    greggg

    Tucker Carlson – Heart inflammation in some young vaccinated people.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/fyBglp0LNT0l/

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    greggg

    The series Utopia from 2013-2014 is based upon a group of billionaires who decide to release a fake pandemic that convinces the WHO and others to authorize emergency use of an experimental vaccine known as JANUS. The vaccine is designed to sterilise the entire world’s population for three generations. There’s a newer American version too.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2384811/

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    David Maddison

    I wonder how the “Solar Trams Project” is going in Vicdanistan?

    https://www.delwp.vic.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/on-board-with-solar-trams

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      yarpos

      Just superficial BS of the ACT kind.

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      Analitik

      They should unleash them on the CBD so all those leftists who keep Adam Bandt in Parliament can experience the joys of three transition. With many offices at low staffing levels now, there shouldn’t be too much traffic obstructed when they run out of power mid-intersection.

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        Analitik

        “the transition”, not “three transition”

        Of course the trams should only receive whatever power the solar farms are producing at any time but the electronic control to achieve this is relatively straightforward.

        This all reminds me of the project where a small urban subdivision was provided batteries and solar to run with only a light grid connection. Crickets on that one, too

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    Robber

    Can anyone explain how Victoria will get to 50% “renewables” by 2030?
    In the last 12 months, solar provided 8%, wind 15%, hydro 5%, sub total 28%.
    Coal provided 70% and gas 2%.
    Average demand 5,700 MW, peak demand 7,500 MW.
    To achieve the 50% target, coal and gas must be reduced by 22%, i.e. 1,250 MW.
    Yallourn W power station has a nameplate capacity of 1,480 MW, with announced plan to close in 2028.
    So close Yallourn, replace it with intermittent wind and solar – job done?
    Does that mean that in 2030, on average, solar will provide 15%, wind 30%, hydro 5%, sub total 50%?
    On occasion, that may mean solar providing 30%, wind 50%, with 20% coal/gas to provide stability. is that realistic?
    And what happens on those evenings when wind and solar provide essentially zero power?
    Hydro is unlikely to be able to increase from its current peak of 1,500 MW.
    Say 3,000 MW from Loy Yang, leaving 3,000 MW from gas/diesel? Or is a BIG battery coming?
    Is there a plan?

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      Chad

      Or is a BIG battery coming?
      Is there a plan?

      Oh yes !….you know Dan has a BIG battery on order… 800MWh if i recall correctly. !
      The biggest, most expensive , battery eva’
      So, that will smooth out a few ripples…….for a minute or two .!
      And of course there is a plan……..
      …….but the real question is ,…Will it work ?
      ( the answer has only two letters, not three )

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        Gary Simpson

        Yes, perhaps the battery could be used to power Dan’s ‘…great big supercomputer’ (anyone remember that?). Unfortunately for us, the battery would run flat in approximately 1 microsecond and we would then be totally screwed.

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      yarpos

      With a spreadsheet, anything can happen

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    Rocket Rod

    For those that don’t know, there’s a nice dump of info at https://peterdaszak.com

    Yes, the Dr Peter Daszak/Fauci connection, with lots of pdf’s too.

    I’m sure Jo will have a field day here !!

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    David Maddison

    PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG:

    – June 12, 2021 –

    Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America

    Have you noticed that they are now admitting I was right about everything they lied about before the election?

    Hydroxychloroquine works

    The Virus came from a Chinese lab

    Hunter Biden’s laptop was real

    Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op

    The “Russian Bounties” story was fake

    We did produce vaccines before the end of 2020, in record time

    Blue state lockdowns didn’t work

    Schools should be opened

    Critical Race Theory is a disaster for our schools and our Country

    Our Southern Border security program was unprecedentedly successful

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    Hanrahan

    If we hit on hard times we should be able to eat for a couple of weeks at least.

    We had seven turkeys in our back yard and three I could see over the back fence.

    I don’t mind these young/female birds but the dominant males can make a mess of the yard. A year ago I caught one that had destroyed my front yard in a possum trap and released him at the uni where they roam the grounds, taking no notice of the students.

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    another ian

    “9 Ways China Created a Pandemic that Have Nothing to Do with the Wuhan Lab”

    https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/06/11/9-ways-unrelated-wuhan-lab-china-created-pandemic/

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      Hanrahan

      The Chinese Communist Party may or may not have created the virus itself, but all evidence indicates that it absolutely did create a pandemic whereas there would have been at worst a regional epidemic.

      No sheet Sherlock. This matters far more than how the release happened.

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      el gordo

      ‘While Chinese officials now claim the “true” origin of the virus is an American Army laboratory in Maryland …’

      Much amusement, they also say the Spanish Influenza Pandemic started in Kansas.

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    another ian

    And not likely to last on the big board either!

    “Delingpole: No Masks, No Distancing – The Disgraceful Covid Hypocrisy of the G7 Elite”

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/06/12/no-masks-no-distancing-disgraceful-covid-hypocrisy-of-the-g7-elite/

    Looks like those free states must be on the right track (/s)

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    Kim

    Massive Protests Erupt in Mainland China. China has cancelled key imports from Australia including coal and food. Australian iron ore is high quality. Other sources are not. The Chinese people are suffering, The CCP are very concerned. Australia is the mine and the farm. It is a large country with a small population. …

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      Hanrahan

      I do think the CCP has overplayed its hand attacking Aus.

      I assume it is the middle class that could afford safe to eat Ozzy food and decent modestly priced wine. Not wise to upset them, they have the means and can organise.

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        Kalm Keith

        An unexpected insight into China.

        Sadly China is not alone in this expression of dissatisfaction with life in the modern world, it’s just that the knife and car are particularly the local method.

        Here in New South Wales up until just a few years ago, we had the late night “party and drink yourself to death” syndrome that culminated in lots of pain and the ugly one punch deaths and the jump in front of a train events. Of course our politicians only took action to limit this chronic party lifestyle when the population rose up and said enough.

        China is not alone and the social ugliness like this is world wide.

        The world needs a big rethink of what’s going on.

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        Kalm Keith

        Strangely, the BLM “uprisings” and acts of social discontent in the former USA are designed to make become, or stay, more like China.

        At least here in Australia we had a brief two decades post World War Two, when we were working and learning and building. Even though there was trauma, hurt and perhaps even anger at past events like the depression, WWI, WW2, the feeling that came through to me was that I lived in a fantastic society where there was caring government, work for all, and an outstanding education system for the poor.

        Then we got to 1970 and politicians became self interested in the extreme and the plunder began; it hasn’t stopped, just look at Matt Keane, Beris Gladachikliken, Victoristan Dan, who among many others of our leaders, have endorsed the ugliness.

        We are no longer building a society, we are no longer even maintaining it; politicians are simply creating a facade to hide the damage they’re inflicting on us until the final collapse.

        No future vision, just planning for a home in New York and a big account in the bank on the other side of New York central park. Go MalEx444.

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      Kalm Keith

      Again, an extraordinary insight into China and the West is no better off.

      It’s good to see the Chinese citizens confronting the problem and I wish them well.

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    Hanrahan

    Another Arkancide: Christopher Sign, the reporter who told the world about the Bill Clinton/Loretta Lynch tarmac meeting has topped himself.

    Delayed but still suspicious.

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      Chris

      That makes 53 people who have been associated with the Clintons have died. Accidents such as plane crashes, car crashes, shot in the head by a burglar, shot in the head by a mugger, shot in the head twice by suicide. The list goes on, drivers, body guards, secretaries all came to a sticky end.

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    Analitik

    Let’s all give Scott Morrison some kudos for resisting the pressure from all the G7 leaders and entourages to sign on for a zero emissions target.

    Having Penny Wong castigate him for not following along with bozo and the stobar (one for the Heinlein fans) is a good sign

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    RicDre

    Report: Wuhan Virology Laboratory DID Keep Live Bats on Premises

    The Wuhan Institute of Virology did keep live bats on its premises, a report by Sky News Australia revealed Sunday, contradicting the World Health Organisation (W.H.O.) which has always maintained such suggestions are a baseless conspiracy.

    https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/06/13/report-wuhan-virology-laboratory-did-keep-live-bats-on-premises/

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    Anton

    Excellent news – the Swiss have just voted in a Referendum to reject a car fuel levy and a tax on air tickets designed to help the country meet Paris targets.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57457384

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      Swiss voted also against prescription of bio farming in Switzerland

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      PeterS

      Proof not everyone is asleep. If the alarmists really wanted to reduce emissions on a global scale to avoid a CAGW event, real or otherwise (of course otherwise) then they ought to tell countries like China to stop building any more coal fired power stations given they are still building them by the hundr3eds. See how far the alarmists can go with that exercise. Preferably straight to prison. Otherwise, they ought to just STFU. In fact, they need to be shut down for acting like terrorists to their own nation. Same goes here in Australia. People need to wake up and understand that reducing emissions is just an act of economic suicide.

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      Kalm Keith

      Maybe we need to adopt the Canton system which effectively removes the Canberra Isolation Effect and brings accountability much closer to where you are living.

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    David Maddison

    This link

    https://www.hydro.com.au/clean-energy/hybrid-energy-solutions/success-stories/flinders-island

    is meant to show the output of the Flinders Island “renewable” power station but is currently showing zero output.

    For Flinders Island, it may actually be one of the few legitimate justifiable examples of using solar and/or wind but if I lived there, I’d want to have my own system.

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    el gordo

    This post talks of Covid and scientific fraud, using climate change to illustrate the point.

    ‘For example in climate science, emails exposed elites like Phil Jones, Thomas Wigley and Ben Santer who discussed how to “adjust” observed temperature trends to better supported their CO2 theory. Warming in the 1930s and 40s similar to today, suggested a naturally oscillating climate. So in 2009 they wrote, “It would be good to remove at least part of the 1940s blip, but we are still left with why the blip”. (WUWT)

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      PeterS

      Never trust what is typically presented to us as “science” by scientists who make bold statements, such as the earth is heading for a catastrophic global warming event due to man-made CO2, because by and large scientists are dishonest just like governments and big business. In fact, those scientists are funded by the dishonest governments and big business, so it is expected the scientists involved are also dishonest.

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    David Maddison

    I can’t see the link to the post you reference.

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    OldOzzie

    Kamala Harris slammed for marching in gay pride parade instead of visiting southern border

    Vice President Kamala D. Harris has yet to visit the southern border, but she did turn up Saturday for the Capitol Pride Walk and Rally in Washington, D.C., as critics were quick to note.

    Ms. Harris, who became the first sitting vice president to march in a pride event, took plenty of flak on social media for her appearing at the festivities with her husband Doug Emhoff after dodging questions about when she plans to witness the chaotic border situation.

    “Hey, look you guys,” said the conservative site Twitchy. “Kamala Harris made time for a photo op with her hubby at DC Pride … and still hasn’t made time to visit the border.”

    Other comments included: “Kamala went to pride but not to border,” “That’s funny, you can attend a pride event, but not visit or acknowledge a border crisis,” and “Maybe they should have a pride event at the border. Then you’d do your job!”

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      yarpos

      I like the recently elect Rep Boebert’s syle. She took a cardboard cut out of Harris to the border wall

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    PeterS

    Benjamin Netanyahu has been voted out. The new PM of Israel is Naftali Bennett who is far-right. Hmmmm.

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    OldOzzie

    Washington Times – Reporter who uncovered Clinton-Lynch tarmac meeting found dead

    Just some of the Comments

    – For anyone that has had any dealings with the Clintons having listed as dying from old age or disease is never one of the leading causes of death.

    – Hilarious in a sick sort of way. Going back to their days in Arkansas, what this, about a dozen give or take. Go back to the American Spectator’s archives where they documented something like 7 very suspicious deaths when Bill was governor. They’re making Bonnie and Clyde seem mostly peaceful.

    – Up to their old tricks

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    robert rosicka

    Better list of Clinton associates that have passed away in an untimely manner .

    https://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/the-list-of-clinton-associates-whove-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/

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      Peter C

      wow!
      Keep clear of the Clintons.

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      Kalm Keith

      Incredible.

      This, whatever it is, has been going on for over three decades and not only looks like the swamp at work, I can smell it from half a world away.

      It also gives some perspective into the forces that were working, pushing, shoving against Trump.

      What has emerged from America in the last two years has been devastating to watch and heartbreaking for the rest of the world who saw the US as at least an equal in the world’s democracies.

      Tragically; we truly are “All Equal” and have a lot of work to do.

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    another ian

    For users of Firefox and Thunderbird

    “Mozilla suggests regulators issue laws that curb recommendations of “conspiracy theory videos” ”

    https://reclaimthenet.org/mozilla-suggests-regulators-issue-laws-that-curb-recommendations-of-conspiracy-theory-videos/

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    Lance

    Doesn’t seem like a coincidence to me. More like “we’ve been had”.

    “Sharri Markson reveals how the Wuhan Institute of Virology kept live bats in cages with new footage from inside the facility. This footage proves the denials from World Health Organization investigators were false. The WHO previously said any suggestion the Wuhan lab was conducting SARS experiments on bats was a “conspiracy”.

    Additionally, all of the 15,000 bat research files were removed from the Wuhan Lab in September of 2019 right before the Pandemic exploded on the world.”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/06/13/sharri-markson-reveals-new-footage-from-inside-wuhan-lab-showing-live-bats-and-research-disproving-lies-from-who/

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      OldOzzie

      Memo ABC: Lab virus leak is a real story

      Newspaper editors and electronic current affairs producers need to look harder at the Wuhan Covid-19 laboratory leak story.

      Wuhan Covid lab-leak theory must be taken seriously by scientists and reporters

      Chris Mitchell

      Newspaper editors and electronic current affairs producers need to look harder at the Wuhan Covid-19 laboratory leak story.

      Not just because this newspaper’s investigations writer Sharri Markson has been leading the world on reporting of a possible leak that could have already killed close to four million people. It takes a bit of hard reading – not something today’s journalists, spoonfed by an army of PR specialists, are cut out for – to understand how seriously the leak theory is now being taken in scientific circles.

      And it requires journalists to ignore the false narrative absorbed by the media culture: in the US, largely because former US president Trump supported the lab leak story, and in Australia, thanks to last year’s two Media Watch programs slamming Markson on the basis of material published in The Lancet and Nature Medicine.

      Given Chinese sanctions against Australia over calls by Prime Minister Scott Morrison for a World Health Organisation investigation into the origins of the pandemic, inquisitive journalists should be doing what Markson is.

      Memo Four Corners: this is the real “story of the century”.

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    TdeF

    Unbelievable rationalization in the Australian while reporting on an oil and gas conference.

    “China is still building coal mines to power the manufacturing demanded by the West. So is India. And when the last sensible molecule is extracted, these businesses will have the wealth to buy into the new energy market through acquisitions.”

    So China may be the biggest ‘polluter’ but it’s not their fault. They are simply doing the manufacturing demanded by the West.

    And I suppose alerting us to the terrible dangers posed by bioweapons research while they are at it.

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      TdeF

      And I suppose Mussolini did make the trains run on time and Herr Hitler rescued the Germans by poverty by building a massive army, fleets of submarines, the world’s biggest air force and munitions industry and poor Japan dragged itself from a medieval country in the same fashion. So innocently. All while making manufacturers very rich. They were not evil and it was not their fault. They were just chasing profits for their stakeholders and making the money people very happy.

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        el gordo

        Its different this time and Australia is involved.

        ‘DoD tested a Common Hypersonic Glide Body (C-HGB) in 2020. According to Air Force chief scientist, Dr. Greg Zacharias, the US anticipates having hypersonic weapons by the 2020s, hypersonic drones by the 2030s, and recoverable hypersonic drone aircraft by the 2040s. The focus of DoD development will be on air-breathing boost-glide hypersonics systems. Countering hypersonic weapons during their cruise phase will require radar with longer range, as well as space-based sensors, and systems for tracking and fire control.’

        My argument is that UFO technology is more advanced.

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    Tides of Mudgee

    Don’t know whether this has appeared on Jo Nova before, but it gives a very sobering insight into the potential effects of the Covid experimental vaccine. I have a very old Facebook account, unused for years, but I was able to access it. Couldn’t find it elsewhere. ToM

    https://www.facebook.com/leslie.johnson.395891/posts/4418495034845980

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      Kalm Keith

      Excellent.
      I like my “innate immunity” from having “lived with nature” in my youth here in NovoCastria.

      No doubt those in Sydney who swam in the surf near the Bondi pipe would have similar.

      The comment that we are in the midst of a disaster is believable and frightening.

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    Dave in the States

    How Climategate got swept under the rug, was the prototype MO for how the establishment media and the governmental and academic swamps now operate in collusion.

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    Analitik

    Here’s the associated website for the video (the site of the interviewed vaccine scientist)

    https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

    Like ToM, is like someone with knowledge in the area of immune systems to assess his credibility (his credentials appear to be rock solid)

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Juuken vs Altamira

    Another example where Australia should hang its head in shame.

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    David Maddison

    The communist in charge of the World Economic Forum has an …err… “interesting” choice of beach wear. You’ll find a picture if you search “Klaus Schwab beach” without the quote marks…

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    robert rosicka

    Denzel Washington on the media , warning there is a 5 second advertisement first .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXYzjYBTlpA

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    TdeF

    It is amazing that the news is that the Wuhan Flu leaked from the lab. That’s not news. It’s obvious and always was.
    Now there is an attempt and concession to make it the news instead of the really culpable question of what the Communist Party did next. This is a military weapon, designed to do exactly what it has done.

    And it has not crippled the US and their ability to wage war and defend Taiwan and it did not kill the US President. That is the real news.

    Consider that 5 million people left Wuhan after the release. And many went overseas while the rest were welded in their homes to protect China. Once again, Donald Trump was right and reparations should be in the order of $100 Trillion.

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      TdeF

      Yes, that’s it. A change in plan. Suddenly we are seeing photographs from inside the lab. Scientists in pressure suits. Bats in cages. There has been a reversal, admission. The CCP have told their friends in the media that yes, it was obvious and it likely leaked from the lab.

      However it’s not our fault, Trump made us do it, we were against it and did our best but a leak was inevitable. Fauci paid for the gain of function development. So the US media and Biden will now throw Fauci under the bus and blame Trump. How could Trump not know about it?

      Wallace has already blamed Trump who had ‘a year to investigate’ and did nothing. It’s Trump behind the virus after all. He is responsible. The Chinese are innocent!

      And the CCP will demand trillions in reparations with the full support of the US media. Just like they position themselves as historic Carbon victims and entitled to catch up in manufacturing. And as the Australian Newspaper reported today, sacrificing themselves to do the manufacturing ‘demanded by the West’.

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    Dennis

    I was recently reading a book on Mid North Coast New South Wales history and noted a reference to coal seams, a claim that many extend in the ground way out to sea off the coastline that have never been mined.

    Of course there are mines extending out to sea from the Newcastle Region, John Hunter Coal Mine for example was shut down when the tunnel following seam being worked was so far away from the coastline that productivity became an issue and costs exceeded the value of the coal extracted. From memory that closure was during the 1970s.

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      Peter Fitzroy

      There are over 80 known mine sites around the Port Macquarie region, Including Iron Ore, and Talc

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      Peter Fitzroy

      Near Mt Seaview is a famous mine, known as “The Cells” which originated in the way the Chinese labour was treated, and later gave the local stream it’s name

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      Murray Shaw

      Dennis, if you draw a line from Townsville to Wollongong, that is the line covering one of the greatest coal seams in the world, ranging up to 300Km wide.
      At current rates of usage we have enough for 400 years.

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        Simon

        By which time, at current rates of usage, global surface temperatures will be 5-10 degrees warmer than they are today. Sea level rise will have accelerated too, with 100 metres ‘baked in’ for still further rise. Welcome to the PACM, the Post Anthropocene Thermal Maximum.

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          el gordo

          ‘ … global surface temperatures will be 5-10 degrees warmer than they are today.’

          That seems unlikely, during the climate optimum temperatures were much higher at the North Pole, but temperatures at midlatitude were only slightly higher and as we get closer to the equator temperatures cooled. The reason for this is that there was more water moisture along the tropics, low cloud cover cools things down.

          It was a La Nina like epoch and lasted for thousands of years, presumably CO2 was much higher than it is now.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum

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          another ian

          You might need something like this

          https://merinoandco.com.au/

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          Serp

          Keep an eye out for RickWill’s postings about sea surface temperature bounds which appear from time to time on this site (and there’s a four part series at WUWT); they annihilate your view of global surface temperatures, sea level rise and what not.

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    Joe Biden and Kamala Harris = Dumb and Dumber

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    Aunty Pravda’s rolling news feed of unacceptable articles for the 14th June – https://thepointman.wordpress.com/rolling-headlines/  #freepointy

    Pointy

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      TdeF

      Wow! There is so much of it.

      And as for allowing men dressed as women into women’s sport as in the Olympics, it defeats the entire purpose of having women’s sport if the people are not women and I am not going to define women? A century of achievement and advancement to equality for women is being wiped out. Why?

      You can identify as a chipmunk if you like and dress accordingly and wear big teeth, but you will not be accepted by other chipmunks or win the prize for biggest chipmunk. And they usually like nuts.

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        TdeF

        And then there are those battles, like the ban on women in marathons because sports people felt it was just too far. However I do not see any change in the idea that women cannot play more than three sets of tennis, for the same money. The rules are different, usually to allow women to compete but the games being played by men dressed up as women are destroying women’s sports.

        Perhaps women’s rights champion Germaine Greer said it best. ““Just because you lop off your penis and then wear a dress doesn’t make you a ******* woman,” Ms Greer said in a statement given to the Victoria Derbyshire show. “I’ve asked my doctor to give me long ears and liver spots and I’m going to wear a brown coat but that won’t turn me into a ******* cocker spaniel.

        She is no longer welcome at Woke universities who no longer support women’s rights, but the rights for men to pretend to be women.

        The other statement came from John Cleese (Cheese) in Monty Python’s Life of Brian.

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          Analitik

          like the ban on women in marathons because sports people felt it was just too far

          Earlier this year, a female pro cyclist made the comment that it was good that the UCI realized that their uteruses wouldn’t fall out if they raced over distances longer than 150km.

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        David Maddison

        TdeF, as for identifying as a chipmunk, transpeciesism (otherkin) is a thing, you know.

        https://www.vice.com/en/article/yvwknv/what-does-it-mean-to-be-trans-species

        “I feel my selfhood to be discrete from this body. It’s not inherently me—it’s just a vehicle I’m operating. Plus, what does it mean to be human, anyway?”

        Riviera identifies as a dragon. He decided this 15 years ago after having what he describes as prophetic dreams of a past life. As an “otherkin,” he is one of the hundreds of Australians who identify as another species—whether from Earth or myth.

        Sitting on the grass outside the University of Melbourne, Riviera shows me a large handmade magpie head. “I feel like there is a mix up between otherkins and furries in the media,” he says. “For many otherkin, it’s a quiet spiritual background to their lives, and not something that they can ever switch off.” He puts on an elaborate headdress, explaining that making and wearing costumes is a central part of acting out of his identity. Meditation, ritual dance, lucid dreaming, and trance work also factor in.

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