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In 2015 Chinese Military Scientists said Third World War would be fought with biological weapons

China, dragon flag.

We already knew the CCP were acting guilty, destroying all the samples and telling us it was like the flu when it wasn’t. They were blocking it from flying around inside China, but exporting it internationally.

Sharri Markson, at The Australian, has received documents from the US State Department showing that in 2015 Chinese Military scientists were chatting  and strategizing in fairly malevolent ways, about how useful bioweapons could be. As far as weapons-of-mass-destruction go, bioweapons are as cheap as chips, could overrun hospitals, strike fear into the hearts of soldiers and people, and wreak chaos on the economy. Tick, Tick and Tick. These weapons are self replicating, as long we feed them new bodies. Think of them as like miniature F-111s that can disassemble the enemy infrastructure and turn our ploughshares into their F-111s so to speak.

Coronavirus structure

Image: Scientific Animations

The question for the last year, was not so much whether it was a man-made creation, but whether it was released deliberately or not.   To that end, we don’t know, but if a hostile state was going to release it deliberately, you’d think they would aim for somewhere other than “next door” to the virology lab it was created in.

That military chiefs may have been discussing this is not unusual. Probably teams in every major nation have run wargame scenarios with coronaviruses as bioweapons —  the thing that makes this different is that it can be traced to people at or near the top, and no one appears to be pretending to be a good global citizen. It’s all in the phrasing…

Chinese military scientists discussed weaponising SARS coronaviruses

The Australian

Chinese military scientists held talks on bio-weapon benefits

The paper describes SARS ­coronaviruses as heralding a “new era of genetic weapons” and says they can be “artificially manipulated into an emerging human ­disease virus, then weaponised and unleashed in a way never seen before”.

Titled The Unnatural Origin of SARS and New Species of Man-Made Viruses as Genetic Bio-weapons, the document outlines China’s progress in the research field of bio-warfare, saying a third world war would be fought using biological weapons.

It’s a bargain WMD:

… bio-weapons could be mass-produced at 0.05 per cent of the cost of traditional weapons when compared to the cost per square kilometre of damage.

The study also examines the optimum conditions under which to release a bioweapon. “Bioweapon attacks are best conducted during dawn, dusk, night or cloudy weather because intense sunlight can damage the pathogens,” it states. “Biological agents should be released during dry weather. Rain or snow can cause the aerosol particles to precipitate.

“A stable wind direction is ­desirable so that the aerosol can float into the target area.”

There were 18 authors, and one  Xu Dezhong, a top level scientist was reporting to the top honks of the CCP, especially during the first SARS outbreak. Curiously, he thought the first SARS was a bioweapon and one of his 50PhD’s wrote a thesis on that.

In a chilling echo of many states’ experiences of the COVID-19 pandemic, the authors note that the release of a bio-weapon could have secondary effects by placing enormous burdens on a country’s healthcare system. Using the example of an attack on a city of five million with 10 per cent of the population requiring hospitalisation, the document notes it could “cause the enemy’s medical system to collapse”.

Some of China’s senior public health and military figures are ­listed among the 18 authors of the document, including the former deputy director of China’s Bureau of Epidemic Prevention, Li Feng. Ten of the authors are scientists and weapons experts affiliated with the Air Force Medical ­University in Xi’an, ranked “very high-risk” for its level of defence research, including its work on medical and psychological sciences, according to the Australian Strategic Policy Institute’s ­Defence Universities Tracker.

Whatever we do, don’t let Tedros or the WHO run the “investigation”:

World Health Organisation ­director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has previously said there needs to be further investigation into the possibility of a lab accident in Wuhan, criticising his own team’s inquiry — that claimed a lab leak was unlikely — for not being thorough or ­extensive.

Tedros could have saved the world but worked for President Xi instead. As I reported on Feb 2 last year, this is the WHO Chief who told us to keep the borders open so the virus could infect the world. As I reported on Feb 4 this is the same man who was Foreign Minister of Ethiopia around the same time that nation became the largest African Belt and Road debtor.

Tedros is probably angling to run the second WHO investigation just to keep control of the process, stop other investigations and create another whitewash.

Right now, the rest of the world needs to form the G199 or something “Everyone but China”

The world needs to  band together to stop China getting away with anything, and to get it to behave like a good global citizen.

Sharri Markson has written a whole book — What Really Happened in Wuhan, soon to be released. It’s not clear why an Australian journalist got the info before US ones, but given the US had a role in setting up the lab at Wuhan, and US journalists have religious objections to discussing anything that might show Donald Trump in a good light (especially at the expense of the Guru-Fauci), it may have been easier to release in Australia.

There is some small consolation in knowing that if the CCP accidentally let this cat out of the bag, it will only help the West get ready for the next one.

h/t to GlenM

 

 

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86 comments to In 2015 Chinese Military Scientists said Third World War would be fought with biological weapons

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    TdeF

    We know they are guilty because they have declared war on Australia for even questioning the origin of the virus. Of all the cities of China, what is the chance it started in Wuhan?

    The development was obvious and well known, but the release was accidental. The spread with millions of visitors then sent around the world was intentional. For the Military General in charge of this military bioweapon laboratory, it was a why not? And he had permission. Then their communist sock puppet head of WHO, Tedros Adhomen in late January 2021 declared it was ‘not infectious human to human’. In doing this he committed a crime against humanity and should be on trial in the Hague.

    The action was a declaration of war against the world. Aided and abetted by another United Nation division whose sole purpose was to prevent a pandemic, not assist one. Man made Global Warming is run by the UN but no one has died from Climate Change. There is no emergency. But Wuhan Flu world wide is also thanks to WHO and war has been declared by the very UN created solely to avoid war. And denial is in the game plan.

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      TdeF

      And the one Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews who legislated to have his own redshirts above the police and even the courts with unlimited rights of indefinite arrest without explanation, the one who illegally signed the State (not country) up to the Chinese Belt and Road was the one responsible for almost all of the deaths in Australia. There are many questions to be answered and not by his own personally appointed whitewash judge. According to his judge, we are to believe no one at all made the decision to use an unknown, unqualified private company to handle biosecurity, a decision known to be made before 6am on a Sunday morning by no one at all? And then without explanation he fell very heavily down some stairs. It could happen to anyone we have to assume.

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        Sceptical Sam

        he fell very heavily down some stairs

        Seth Rich wasn’t so lucky.

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          Sceptical Sam

          he fell very heavily down some stairs

          He was pushed by unknown perpetrators for unknown reasons, but police suspected he had been the victim of an attempted robbery.

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      a happy little debunker

      That China decided to restrict travel between Wuhan and all other Chinese provinces – whilst allowing people in Wuhan to travel Internationally is evidence that this was no accident.

      A very deliberate attempt to infect the world…

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        TdeF

        And successful.

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          TdeF

          And conversely, if they had warned the world, if WHO had declared a pandemic, there would be no world wide spread.

          Both are preconditions of a viral attack on the world, especially the cooperation of the UN/WHO.

          The next predictable step is total denial and taking offence and using the virus as a cover for preparation for war and economic attacks.

          If you read it all backwards, everything is going to plan. It is how you launch war in a nuclear world.

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            OriginalSteve

            Reading a speech by a retiring Chinese General, China appear to be happy to lose 50% of its population in a nuclear exchange in order to win.

            Thats 750 million people. Nuked.

            So if in a hot war, it appears the only viable military option the USA really has is complete annihilation of China to remove the CCP.

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        stevem

        It was most likely their contingency plan should there be a virus leak. A deliberate infection would have seen it released in a suitable foreign country – one with sufficient contact with wild animals to make a zoonotic disease believable yet strong contact with the west to encourage its spread. Having it infect Wuhan first raises suspicions too much.

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      RicDre

      “… Tedros Adhomen in late January 2021 declared it was ‘not infectious human to human’…”

      I believe that was January 14, 2020 when he claimed via Twitter that there was “no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.”

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/10/5-shocking-facts-about-who-chief-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus/

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        TdeF

        And Taiwan had already delivered a full report on the infectivity. But thanks to Tedros as his very first move in the job, Taiwan was not a WHO country so he was not obliged to read the report, even if it documented a pandemic on the loose. What sort of head of WHO actually refuses to read a high alert on a terrible pandemic loose in China? This is the world organization to prevent Pandemics. It should be completely apolitical.

        Only one who works for the Chinese government. And he still made the announcement. Deniability is not plausible in his job.

        Tedros is personally responsible for at least 3.3 million deaths as of now. And he is still in the position.

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          Deano

          I continue to be astonished that the WHO can be regarded as a reliable authority on health matters. Most media outlets still calmly quote advice from the WHO as if they rightfully enjoy the status Encyclopedia Britannica has on quiz shows. The WHO have proven themselves corrupt so I fail to see why anyone should trust them until they are completely cleaned out and reformed.

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      OldOzzie

      Origin of Covid — Following the Clues

      Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

      Nicholas Wade

      May 3 – 43 min read

      The Covid-19 pandemic has disrupted lives the world over for more than a year. Its death toll will soon reach three million people. Yet the origin of pandemic remains uncertain: the political agendas of governments and scientists have generated thick clouds of obfuscation, which the mainstream press seems helpless to dispel.

      In what follows I will sort through the available scientific facts, which hold many clues as to what happened, and provide readers with the evidence to make their own judgments. I will then try to assess the complex issue of blame, which starts with, but extends far beyond, the government of China.

      By the end of this article, you may have learned a lot about the molecular biology of viruses. I will try to keep this process as painless as possible. But the science cannot be avoided because for now, and probably for a long time hence, it offers the only sure thread through the maze.

      The virus that caused the pandemic is known officially as SARS-CoV-2, but can be called SARS2 for short. As many people know, there are two main theories about its origin. One is that it jumped naturally from wildlife to people. The other is that the virus was under study in a lab, from which it escaped. It matters a great deal which is the case if we hope to prevent a second such occurrence.

      I’ll describe the two theories, explain why each is plausible, and then ask which provides the better explanation of the available facts. It’s important to note that so far there is no direct evidence for either theory. Each depends on a set of reasonable conjectures but so far lacks proof. So I have only clues, not conclusions, to offer. But those clues point in a specific direction. And having inferred that direction, I’m going to delineate some of the strands in this tangled skein of disaster.

      – A Tale of Two Theories

      – Doubts about natural emergence

      – Inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology

      – The Safety Arrangements at the Wuhan Institute of Virology

      – Comparing the Rival Scenarios of SARS2 Origin

      – A Third Scenario of Origin

      – Where We Are So Far

      – In Conclusion

      Worth the 43 Min read.

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    The problem with bioweapons is that of protecting one’s own people.
    But the Chinese have never been strong on that.

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      TdeF

      To make this work, a lot of people had to carry the virus.

      And 3/4 million Chinese went to the US before President Trump slammed the doors shut, for which the Democrats called him Xenophobic. And many more went to Wuhan’s primary entry point to Europe, Italy and Wuhan’s textile partner city in Milan. And even the mayor of Florence decided to inaugurate hug a Chinese day in February? Why? We have to believe everything is coincidence?

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        TdeF

        And I found this “Italian Communist,Dario Nardella, Mayor,Florence city, Italy made Italian COVID-19 deaths surpass Cihana by HUG-A-CHINESE after world distanced from Chinese immigrants.” Perhaps he knows Daniel Andrews? To make the virus work, you need friends.

        And the virus helped the US Democrats to an unlikely victory by allowing vote by mail for so many, sometimes more than the total number of voters.

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          TdeF

          Dario Nardella a communist? He is a member of The Democrats of the Left (Italian: Democratici di Sinistra, DS) a social-democratic] political party in Italy. The DS, successor of the Democratic Party of the Left (PDS) and the Italian Communist Party, was formed in 1998 upon the merger of the PDS with several minor parties.

          It’s all in the timing. Hug a Chinese day was the right move at the right time. Coincidence of course. So why did he do it? And why
          then?

          Deaths in Tuscany alone stand at 6,000, 5% of the 123,000 deaths in Italy. And he is still mayor. And Daniel Andrews is still Premier of Victoria after 800 deaths.

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            Hanrahan

            As a boy I loved a book [collection of short stories] Don Camillo.

            Don Camillo and Peppone are the fictional protagonists of a series of works by the Italian writer and journalist Giovannino Guareschi set in what Guareschi refers to as the “small world” of rural Italy after World War II.

            Camillo was the Catholic priest and Peppone the communist mayor so Italian communism is nothing new.

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              TdeF

              But the beacon of Communism is now rich China, not Russia. That is a big change. And the Belt and Road debt trap is there to ensnare premiers, mayors, politicians. Free money. I don’t remember Hug a Japanese day. Or hug an American day.

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                Dave in the States

                Rich hypocritical China. I wonder what the % among the population is that are rich?

                I recently saw a documentary on ZZ Top’s guitarist, Billy Gibbons, and entourage’s visit to Cuba to study their music and culture. They were shocked at the gap between the 1% rich and the 99% who still lived in abject poverty.

                [Can we stay on topic please? China, Bioweapons, Covid. – Jo]

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              stevem

              I think I read the French translation at school (in Sydney studying French).

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      Dave in the States

      Sadly, the death toll among the Chinese people has been horrendous going back 200 years now. Those people have suffered so much because of collectivism. It is what happens when people no longer have individual rights, but become numbers among a collective. Life becomes cheap. An individual is of virtually no value. It has been usually at the hands of their own elites.

      So now, one way or another, an engineered virus that affects mostly the elderly and those with underlying health conditions, but is not usually lethal among the young and healthy, gets first released among a communist nation with many past their working years, while the young and healthy become carriers to the west. You can’t make this stuff up.

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      neil

      “The problem with bioweapons is that of protecting one’s own people.
      But the Chinese have never been strong on that.”

      It helps when you have two (that we know of) fully developed vaccines ready to go before they released the virus.

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        Robert Sewell

        The trick, of course, is to have the vaccine already distributed into the bodies of the citizenry before you ‘accidentally’ release the virus.
        So what was in the last Tetanus/Rubella/Hepatitis injection you had? Hmm?

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    Broadie

    Fought with Biological Weapons!

    Yes it is called the ‘Human Brain’.

    The Chinese Communist Party has enlisted the brains of the Politicians, Press, Judiciary, Education Establishment and our own silly selves to destroy all our freedoms.

    There was nothing particularly clever about this, the playbook has been used through history to enable Tyrants to rule and taps two of the most powerful human emotions, greed and fear.

    Why have a dangerous biological weapon floating around that may destroy those close to you, when just the thought that one exists can have the conquered rounding each other up and submitting to slavery.

    The Great Reset is possibly the re-establishment of what was one of the largest slave economies the world had seen, the slave fleets sailing west to China.

    Time to wake up and ‘Grow a Set’ before you lose them!!

    Democratic peoples around the world have to retake their institutions peacefully at the grass roots level as their leaders are incapacitated by fear and greed. School boards , local political meetings and Community associations and service organisations first.

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      Broadie

      oops! Not West unless the magnetic field inverted!
      [Slight edit.]AD

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      So if a communist threatens you with it, it must be fake?

      Or maybe they can scare people with real threats too…

      Virology will tell us more about the virus than politics will.

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        Broadie

        Dear Jo

        There must be some element of truth in every good scam. If you are going to sell someone the Sydney Harbour Bridge you do not turn up in a dirty Datsun 120Y with a missing hub cap. That would be seen as a ‘Fake’. There are many elements to a good scam.

        I agree with your work here

        (a)There is a virus.

        (b)The virus causes a terrible death.

        (c)There is evidence ‘gain of function’ was being practiced in Wuhan.

        The unanswered questions remain:

        (1)Why does the virus exist at about a constant %5 of those being tested in Washington State independent of the test-a-demic.

        (2)Why is the virus found in the sewerage of healthy communities?

        (3)Why are the Queensland Hospitals ramped and Code Yellow with few positives in the community?

        (4) Why when John Cullen downloads the actual coded deaths from the CDC does Pnuemonia & Influenza deaths in the US exceed Covid19 yet do not rate as a biological weapon?

        In summary: This is not a biological weapon, it is a psychological weaponization of our own State apparatus against our freedoms.

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          RickWill

          Broadie asked:

          The unanswered questions remain:

          (1)Why does the virus exist at about a constant %5 of those being tested in Washington State independent of the test-a-demic.

          (2)Why is the virus found in the sewerage of healthy communities?

          (3)Why are the Queensland Hospitals ramped and Code Yellow with few positives in the community?

          (4) Why when John Cullen downloads the actual coded deaths from the CDC does Pnuemonia & Influenza deaths in the US exceed Covid19 yet do not rate as a biological weapon?

          Answers:
          1/ Australia and NZ Covid tests are regulating returning zero positive cases across many thousands.
          2/ Monitoring sewerage is an effective way of keeping communities healthy. People respond by being more cautious if they know there is virus in their neighbourhood. Local hospitals are more alert. We only ever hear of the few positive locations of hundreds tested every week across Victoria.
          3/Qld hospitals stretched by population growth, delayed health care throughout 2020 and inadequate funding.
          4/ John Cullen goes in the “utter drivel” department. Anyone wondering why a US state has more Covid deaths than Japan has likely never stepped outside the USA or if he did he kept his dark glasses on so he did not see anything. Taiwan was the first country to report the transmissibility of the virus and its death rate is just 5/M from Covid. Why not choose Taiwan as the example rather than Japan. On average, USA is an undisciplined rabble.

          This is one Aussie’s observation of the USA:
          https://7news.com.au/sunrise/entertainment/paul-hogan-left-swollen-and-homesick-after-battling-kidney-issue-c-2808640

          There is a another news clip where he was much more candid about some of the nutters in the USA.

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            Broadie

            Thanks Rick for your reply.
            This is not the ABC’s Q&A, you should answer my questions not your own question.

            What does your Answer 1/ have to do with my question?

            If 2/ a pandemic virus is detected in a community, what does the benefits of monitoring have to do with a question about its presence?

            Yes 3/ we have a pandemic of ageing, obesity. I am glad you agree.

            4/ Play the ball not the man. Cullen scraps the up to date information from the reporting database and steps you through the presentation of this data. ( You may learn something) Remember we celebrate diversity and this includes people who wear sunglasses and are concerned about near earth objects.

            And thanks for cuing the entertainment, another Q&A technique to discredit sound debate.

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              Broadie,
              Ricks point is that there are almost no false positives in Australia. The test is remarkably accurate. Almost all our cases are detected in quarantine, almost none in our community, as we’d expect given our quarantine measures. If Washington state is doing something fraudulent, perhaps you could find a link, a study, something to support your point?

              2/ Why test the “healthy”? It’s pretty obvious that without monitoring we’d have no chance of stopping outbreaks without locking the whole state down. Track and trace depends on knowing who is infected and separating them from more “fresh bodies”. Asymptomatic people spread it. Plus we should be treating asymptomatic cases with D, C, anticoagulants, oxygen meters. (Plus antivirals). They can suffer damage as well. And the virus anesthetizes some pain detecting nerves, so asymptomatic people don’t realize their lungs are being damaged.

              4/ Sadly John Cullen vastly overestimates his ability to do commentary on virology without understanding virology. Data crunching is meaningless if you don’t understand how this virus spreads. Cullen is working “single variable” analysis which is a waste of time when there are at least 20 variables. He is baffled at why there might only be 10 cases in Shanghai — as if he’s operating from an 1850 medical model where the virus is like a bad ether that ought to hit every nation equally on a per capita basis instead of a degrading chemical code package that can be stopped with quarantine, lockdown, and reduced with distance. China has the most brutally strict lockdowns and detection anywhere, it is utterly predictable that they stopped the spread. Cullen also seems to think people die of “one thing” when instead death is often due to multiple events simultaneously overwhelming multiple systems.

              It doesn’t matter how up to date the data Cullen is using is. It’s like giving a a monkey a supercomputer.

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        Ian

        It seems that this scare piece by the Weekend Australian is not based on leaked, top-secret military material.
        documents obtained by the US State department but on a 261-page book published in 2015 that can be easily bought on line.
        The lead author of the book was Xu Dezhong, a retired professor of infectious disease with the Air Force Medical University in Xian described by The Weekend Australian as a lead scientist in Chinese military who reported to top health and military leaders during the Sars crisis. The authors stated “Based on ample evidence in epidemiology, molecular biology and evolutionary biology, this book concludes that Sars-CoV may have an unnatural, or man-made origin,” HoweverXu, tcomplained in the book that his theory was not taken seriously in China.

        https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3132949/chinese-book-bottom-sars-bioweapons-claims

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    Contemptible Blackguard

    Sharri has a good friend in one S.K. Bannon esquire which might help. But one I can say about her is she gets her facts.

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    Penguinite

    These weaponised viruses are self-replicating! The new Transformers? I also note that China is sending a team up Mt Everest to install a line of demarcation at the peak. This must be peak stupidy!

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      el gordo

      A demarcation dispute?

      I want to pour cold water on the idea that the CCP deliberately released the virus and WW3 has started. Its more rational to think it was designed for any eventuality, but a lone wolf went to the wet market and then took the subway, which leads to the airport. In other words, the fish market was not a red herring.

      I have discounted the idea of a whistleblower.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    As I pointed out yesterday, Gain of Function research was sponsored by the USA, and was a project initiative of Fauci.
    https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

    The earliest known case of using biological weapons is in 600BC by the Assyrians

    16 countries plus Taiwan have had or are currently suspected of having biological weapons programs: Canada, China, Cuba, France, Germany, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Japan, Libya, North Korea, Russia, South Africa, Syria, the United Kingdom and the United States.

    Would you like Anthrax with that?

    /China, Orange Hair Man bad

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      David Maddison

      Orange Hair Man bad

      I’m always curious as to how Leftists feel it’s OK to make racist comments against President Trump based on his skin and hair colour (supposedly orange) and can get away with it.

      Imagine if a conservative criticised someone based on their skin or hair colour, not that we do that sort of thing.

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      OldOzzie

      Rand Paul and COVID-19 Engineer, Dr Anthony Fauci, Debate the Nuance of Funding Wuhan Labs -vs- Funding Collaboration With Wuhan Labs

      May 11, 2021 | Sundance | 100 Comments

      Senator Dr. Rand Paul calls-out the primary U.S. Engineer of COVID-19 chaos, Dr. Anthony Fauci, over the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic and whether or not the NIH has sent money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

      Dr. Fauci insists the National Institute of Health has not funded the Wuhan lab. Senator Paul notes Fauci is parsing words because the NIH funds the research partnership between the U.S. lab and the Wuhan lab that creates, and created, the modified (ie. “gain of function”) COVID variants. Sketchy Fauci is fraught with professional obfuscation in the form of ‘parseltongue’. WATCH:

      Why is COVID-19 being disproportionately hyped as such a dangerous threat, when the reality of the statistical danger is much less than the intense level of hype?… That is the key question.

      The answer is… social, societal and governmental changes, under the guise of COVID-19 mitigation, are the entry point for the goals and aspirations of the political left on a national and global scale. COVID-19 is a virus, but also a very important political weapon, and we finding out now exactly what the purpose of the hype was all about.

      What they are doing is weaponizing COVID-19 to attain ideological objectives. This is why they hyped the fear within COVID for almost a year. Nothing within their plan requires the approval or consent of any representative body in Washington DC.

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    GlenM

    How to contaminate the world- or a specific nation. A decaying rocket that breaks up upwind from the target. The mind of a paranoid? Possibilities. Just to think that eliminating large numbers of those Terran Humanoids for the good of the Planet. Suit any group(s) that you can think of?

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    Tony Dique

    the Chinese Communist Party has to go, by any means necessary.

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      GlenM

      Naturally. I hope somehow a bloodless coup by the good people of China will achieve such an end. Wishful thinking.

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    David Maddison

    It is of no consequence to the communists whether they lose (by death) one, ten, a million or 10 million people for the greater glory of China.

    And they know that with Beijing Biden and the Harris Administration, along with numerous other useful idiots in positions of power in the West, and in addition many other useful idiot supporters of no great individual power (but collectively significant power) that nothing will be said.

    Unlike Westerners, the Chicomms are long term strategists. They really believe that they are destined to dominate the world and will very likely do that with temporary alliances of useful idiots like Biden/Harris, Dictator Daniel Andrews in Victoriastan (Australia) and NZ PM Arden among many others.

    Sun Tzu gave them their strategy. E.g.

    All warfare is based on deception.

    The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy.

    The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.

    Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.

    Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

    Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.

    The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

    Opportunities multiply as they are seized.

    There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare.

    Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance.

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    Yonniestone.

    The confusion, distrust and uncertainty surrounding the covid-19 saga could actually be a good sign that the West is starting to reset itself and question its direction, while we lament all the negative effects of left politics we have forgotten the fundamental reason Western societies are successful which is the drive to keep it that way.

    While the behavior of viruses shouldn’t be underestimated neither should the people it infects we not only have to look at the governmental responses to its spread but the response from the people living under those measures good or bad, unless a virus can wipe out large amounts of a population the leaders of those countries always know there are more of us than them.

    The more people that become skeptical the better the self interested politicians will behave, unless a terrible plan is devised for the largest most developed nations those people only have to show public disobedience to get results from tainted system that can still be restored, if it sounds like wishful thinking or a dream then remember how the West rose in the first place.

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    PeterS

    It would not be a surprise all the major powers, including the US have been developing such weapons for the specific purpose of controlling their own populations as well as those of other countries. According to certain sources, they are also developing individual biological weapons for different countries. That is to be expected. That’s not possible with nuclear weapons that produce a lot of radioactive fallout so a biological weapon that only targets a certain country would be more advantageous. Also, biological weapons would be much easier to deploy. What is really concerning is evidence is unfolding to show that COVID was not only man-made in China but funded directly by the US to design the virus for human-to-human transmission, then the virus escaped the Wuhan lab by accident. Tucker Carlson first exposed the evidence and more is still coming out.

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      David Maddison

      I think anti-freedom Leftist governments could control the population by exploiting existing biological mechanisms known to be used by parasites to alter the host’s behaviour.

      E.g. Toxoplasma gondii, which many cat owners have got from their cats, when it infects rodents it makes them lose fear of feline predators.

      It is not too much of a stretch to imagine similar biological mechanisms couldn’t be exploited in humans to make for a more compliant and less rebellious population.

      Obviously, the Elites would be vaccinated against such infections first.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavior-altering_parasite

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      Kevin kilty

      Actually, the Chinese “bat lady” scientist did a pretty good job of exposing the evidence herself, through video and research proposals, then summarized by Nicholaus Wade in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, and then more broadly by Tucker Carlson.

      It is a tough job getting through the censors, but it may yet happen.

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        I read the bat ladies original research some years ago she stated that a small part of the HIV virus was inserted to make it people friendly and transmittable between people.
        She seems to have disappeared.

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      Len

      I heard that the Chinese bought Ancestry.com. This way they have all the DNA results that all the people have sent in to locate unknown relatives.

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    David Maddison

    Today, the West utterly lacks leadership. There is not a single worthy leader in any Western country now. Thanks to decades of Marxist indoctrination, not even most people of the West believe in Western ideals or their Judeo-christian moral foundation anymore.

    Trump in the US and Netanyahu in Israel were the last great defenders of Western values. Both now gone.

    Western Civilisation is doomed, thanks to the Left.

    And note to Leftists: Once you have fulfilled your role as useful idiots, the communists will be coming for you as well. They don’t tolerate dissent or civilisation destroyers like you.

    Alexander Tytler summed up the decline and destruction of civilisations as follows.

    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.

    Alexander Fraser Tytler

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      Bruce

      As they say in the classics:

      “Beware wishing for ‘strong leadership’.

      You may just get it; good and hard”.

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      Broadie

      When you reach that magic number where %51 vote that the other %49 work harder to support them your democracy is in trouble.

      The top of this slippery slope was the bureaucratic takeover of welfare and health care. When the community loses control of where the resources come from and who receives the care, everyone ends up with a number standing in the queue waiting for their entitlement.

      The Progressive Socialist watched the Revolutionary Marxist destroy themselves while they quietly removed caring from the Community. Their problem is like the revolutionaries they have reached the same end point, they destroyed the wealth and innovation of their people.

      The CCP are exploiting this ‘Great Reset’ the Progressives have been forced into by their poor management. Fear & Greed are at pandemic levels

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    Bruce

    Given that Tedros was a key member of the “Derg” and thus had close political /technical links to China, one may be forgiven for being more than a little wary and downright cynical.

    The carnage continues in that region to this day. Given its geographical significance, I expect it to become a UN “protectorate” a la Rwanda and post Pol Pot Cambodia; with all the attendant graft, corruption, brutality and political shenanigans we all know so well.

    Tedros is typical of the “breed”.

    But his media and diplomatic “boosters” are worse.

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    Ronin

    Looking back, I think Scomo made a big mistake in asking or accusing China directly, a better way would be to discuss it among Nato countries and pose the question through them, now we have China iniating a trade war on us.

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      TdeF

      NATO is not in their sphere of influence, as the Japanese would say. We are directly threatened by a military move. And Taiwan is a big trading partner of Australia, #8 in our export market and bigger than the UK. Taiwan is also a real democracy in our region and never historically a state of China. It’s so reminiscent of Hitler’s claim on the Sudatenland or Danzig/Gdansk. Hong Kong has already been militarily occupied, despite any agreement of independence.

      The UK did not defend Australia in WWII. We defended the UK and had trouble getting our troops back to defend ourselves. Only the Americans stopped the imminent seaborne invasion of Australia in the Battle of the Coral Sea and then Midway. Why should NATO give a damn about China? Their sworn enemy is Russia, their whole reason for existing and why everyone is in Afghanistan.

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        Ronin

        Yep, wrong hemisphere, my bad, how about something like the now defunct SEATO, or failing that the G199.

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          TdeF

          There is ANZUS. But New Zealand is now fully woke and wants no part in standing up to China. They are more concerned with compensating Maoris and writing a Maori language, which is absurd. There are no Maoris or Irishmen or Scotsmen or Englishmen. There are only New Zealanders, but they have to say sorry to themselves and compensate themselves. It’s a bit like forcing Australians to learn Gaelic, but that would be White Supremacy. Like standing up to China.

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      el gordo

      Strategically the Five Eyes have it covered and Morrison has been measured in calling for an investigation, but the Beijing fascists turned bitchy.

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        neil

        Four Eyes, NZ shut theirs covered their ears and used the Sargent Shultz defence, I see nothing, I hear nothing.

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      Annie

      Did he try to do that? Maybe the wets knocked him back. Someone had to try to find out what the CCP were up to or failed to do.

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    The essence of this and the article in The Australian seems to be, “someone said something once”. Is there evidence to suggest that the exact same words were never uttered in meetings in western countries?

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    Kim

    Right now, the rest of the world needs to form the G199 or something “Everyone but China”

    I have no problems with that. I do currently buy non Chinese in preference. Whenever I purchase just give me the choice. If the product is from “anywhere but China” I will purchase it in preference to the equivalent product from China. Generally I have huge problems with Chinese design and quality so am happy to switch.

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    Kim

    wrt Taiwan: Taiwan has a series of islands just off the coast of China. If China invades them what will happen then?!!! Taiwan is a major manufacturer of the World’s semiconductors so any invasion by China would greatly threaten that for all concerned.

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    Jo, I sent this to my friends:

    I’ve been reading Joanne Nova’s climate blog out of Australia for about 5 years, and she’s right on about the climate, but mostly I like the way she addresses American politics, and she is libertarian/conservative with a strong feel for rights, American style. I hope you get a chance to add her to your regular reading, best, Bill Capron
    https://joannenova.com.au/

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    It greives me that the CCP has such a snot-bag, all conquering attitude to other nations. This is a great pity for the Chinese, who in general are friendly, great to be with, love life and, like most of us want be on good terms with the world.

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    The truth is finally getting its boots on?

    The Western funding of “Gain of Function” research in Chinese Labs,is a logical continuation of “Out Sourcing”.

    Much is explained about our leaders strange response to this supposed pandemic.
    For all our fearless leaders threw out the tried and true pandemic response methods,learn through centuries of Pestilence..
    Instead,they went straight to Blind Irrational Panic..
    Threw out civil liberties and shut down productive society.
    Expanding the parasitic overload to absurd levels.

    Apparently we now learn why.
    Covid -19 is a Western designed product manufactured in China with the full knowledge and funding of our very own bureaucracies.
    5 Eyes indeed.

    For the real sickness here,is not this enhanced virus.
    The true sickness is in the minds of the fools and bandits who imagined such research was a sane activity.

    You want a deadly virus?
    Look no further.

    Hence,when Covid started flowing out of Wuhan,our fearless leaders “knew” for sure,cause they had the computer modelled results,that This was it.
    The Dread Covid was computed to be so deadly we were all going to die.

    And their terror was apparent from March 2020.
    Not that they had loosed a deadly virus,but that they would be exposed and held to account.

    For mans response to every deadly pestilence has been to use fire,to cleanse the source..
    Well when the source is the Bureaus,their terror,panic and Extreme Butt Covering of the past 14 months,becomes very understandable.

    Thus the observation that The dread Covid has been a bit of a wet sqib,as far as bio weapons go,has not registered with most Public Health Bureaucracies..
    How could it?
    For they have Computer Models,The Dread Covid is “Novel” a new strain that “only 80% of people seem to have natural immunity to..”
    Garbage In Gospel Out.

    Or as we all know;”Good Enough For Government”.

    Dread Covid Theatre.
    14 Months of the most Gorgeous Shit Show ever put on by the Ugly Actors.

    If you still have faith in government,there is little one can say.

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    https://www.bitchute.com/video/OwQpFgvLfrvt/
    [BREAKING] UNDENIABLE PROOF FAUCI GATES CREATED THE COVID 19 VIRUS UNDER GAIN OF FUNCTION RESEARCH

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    CHRIS

    WRT to US politics, the demise of Liz Cheney means at least 8-12 years of Democrat control of both houses. The decision of the GOP to follow Trump like a herd of lemmings is the worst ever decision for the West. The GOP is not a private bastion for people like Trump to parade their God-Complex.

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