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This day in history — All eyes on Washington DC and the Save America March

Will Vice President Pence toss out the Electoral College Votes (can he even do that?)
Will he send the dual voter bombs back to the States who were meant to choose the set their voters voted for.

UPDATE: Just in, Pence’s statement, which SidneyPowell calls “Coward and worse”. Trump has already vowed he will continue fighting challenges to the Election Results in as many as 8 states, regardless of the outcome of the joint session of Congress.

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March to Save America, Washington DC

Rudy Guiliani 1:06mins

The Democrats have not allowed us to see one paper ballot or one machine. It’s perfectly reasonable and fair for us to ask for 10 days. Who hides evidence? Criminals hide evidence. So over the next ten days we get to see the machines. If we’re wrong we look like fools. If we’re right, a lot of them go to jail.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency. Many States want to decertify the mistake they made in certifying incorrect & even fraudulent numbers in a process NOT approved by their State Legislatures (which it must be). Mike can send it back!

Trump is calling for Pence to send the dual electoral college slates back to the states and force them to choose.

“States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”

Senators in two five states call for decertification

It’s good, but it should have happened 6 weeks ago. Will the Republican surrender squad finally get the courage to stop the election being stolen? Will they get the chance? Neither PA or WI have actually decertified anything. Just that there are moves in that direction. It’s late, but the game isn’t over yet.

h/t Kat H.

Pennsylvania Senators are requesting a delay and questioning the certification of the Electoral College

“Requests from legislators for independent investigations have been ignored by the administration.

“Due to these inconsistences and questionable activities, we believe that PA election results should not have been certified by our Secretary of State.

“Members, we ask for more time given the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court is to hear Trump vs. Boockvar in the coming days. We ask that you delay certification of the Electoral College to allow due process as we pursue election integrity in our Commonwealth.

Wisconsin legislature will vote on decertifying electors

According to an official legal document by the Wisconsin State Legislature, it appears they will move to pass a resolution on Thursday to decertify their election results and award Trump a victory. The resolution also specifies that it does not require the Governor’s signature, one less step for decertification.

There is a letter from 88 state legislators now from five states requesting a 10 day delay. Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Arizona. This all helps to give Pence the justification to delay. Though there are plenty of rumours he won’t.

Predictably, Associated Press (AP) already has an Opinion piece saying that it can’t work which ranks higher in Google searches than any news that this resolution (or these letters) exist.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The resolution includes no language related to decertification of the state’s election results, nor would it make any difference if it did. As a nonbinding, one-house resolution, it carries no legal weight. Wisconsin’s 10 electoral votes have been cast for President-elect Joe Biden.

Protestors in Melbourne Australia rally for Trump

Led by the Asian Australian community, because they are more familiar with the Chinese Communist Party.

Free people’s of the world are watching…

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307 comments to This day in history — All eyes on Washington DC and the Save America March

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    Howie from Indiana

    All VP Pence can do is moderate the proceedings. As both houses need to certify any challenges and Democrats have a majority in the House the electoral count will stand. Welcome to the United States of China!

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    GD

    Protestors in Melbourne Australia rally for Trump

    When did this happen? I am in Victoria and saw nothing on any media about it.

    (Possibly because Geelong CBD has been blacked out for the last four hours.)

    It’s a great slap in the teeth to Daniel Andrews. He has already canceled Australia Day celebrations, but not Chinese New Year celebrations.

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      GD

      I’m surprised this demonstration was allowed to take place.

      Well done to the organisers who pulled it off.

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        Harry Passfield

        There’s some incredible four-dimensional chess going on here. Just think of the pressures some pksyers are under.
        I hope is as goods a player as we think he is.

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        Ian

        How sad that you applaud the organisers of an event where a woman was shot and killed. I doubt her family and friends will be applauding.

        [How sad you try the medieval reasoning of apportioning blame to people who called for peace. Guilt by association. Witchhunts-a-gogo. — Jo]

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      Annie

      I knew nothing of it. Well done the people there.

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        Klem

        Protesters rallied in Canada as well, but the MSM reported….crickets.

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          Why would they report a rally in Canada?

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            Because it’s extraordinary that Trump inspires movements all over the world to rise up in protest at obvious corruption, and if the media did report those protests imagine how big they might be?

            The media reported everything 16 y o Saint Greta did, I didn’t hear you asking “why?” then.

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              The real answer is that “klem” is actually incorrect. He just made that claim because this is the place where it would be appreciated. It does not matter here whether it is correct only that it brings you all joy.

              The media is reporting the multiple protests in other states and countries, some of which also involve storming of parliaments.

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                Analitik

                Maybe Klem was referring to OUR media. Yes, there are lots of reports about the rallies in Canada on OS media sites…

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                In other words an irrelevant comment since the news is not of interest to anyone outside of particular parts of Canada

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              Ted O'Brien.

              Who owns the main. stream media?

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              Steve of Cornubia

              Don’t feed the trolls, Jo. They’re only here to provoke.

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    Simon

    Pence will certify the election results. The more interesting story will be who will control the Senate. At this stage it looks to be the Democrats, Georgia is no longer a conservative bastion.

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      GD

      At this stage it looks to be the Democrats, Georgia is no longer a conservative bastion.

      Thanks to the Democrats’ extra tranche of votes brought in at the last minute.

      That and the rather disturbing videos of American ABC’s vote feed for Republican Loeffler. His tally suddenly decreased, while Democrat Warnock’s votes kept increasing.

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        tonyb

        There are some 20 or 30% of voters who are relatively uncommitted. They will not have taken favourably to Trumps actions over the last few weeks and he has been doubling down in Georgia.

        I would imagine he has alienated more voters than he has attracted. If he had played to the floating voters he might have swung it his way but it seems all the levers of power will be in the hands of the Dems.

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          It’s all very well red thumbing me but trump has not played this well and the result is the storming of the Capitol itself by his supporters.

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          Independent_George

          You are a real cuck aren’t you? No matter where you comment. So Trump should’ve just ‘played’ to the simpletons and ignorant just to get their votes, rather than be truthful and a patriot and get this s*it over with? You are part of the problem.

          Whether it be cucking to fraud or cucking to the ‘climate change’ hoax, you’re lack of spine is what allows POS leftists and other virtue signallers like yourself to continue to degrade western civilization.

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            Mike Jonas

            I do feel that Donald Trump has not played this well. I hope he proves me wrong.

            Various deadlines have passed with a lot of statements but not much action. I suspect that he and his team can see perfectly well that there have been some seriously dubious-looking irregularities, to the point that they are certain that there has been a major fraud, but they have not been able to put together enough solid evidence for a court of law. That’s not a criticism – I can understand how difficult that would be when half your own party are against you too. Donald Trump has continued to play to his base, while I feel that he should have tried to draw in a wider audience and support. When you cannot get any space in any mainstream media, that is very difficult too.

            The argument that the batches of Biden-weighted votes were legitimate, and happened because Biden had more postal votes, is prima facie credible and very difficult to counter without Democrat ranks breaking. NB. I’m not saying they were legitimate, just that it’s very difficult to prove they weren’t. The area where the vote looks dodgiest is in the many occasions in which Donald Trump’s tally reportedly reduced and the same number of votes miraculously re-appeared as Biden votes. That may well also have happened in the recent Georgia election. If genuine errors were being corrected then there would have been instances both ways. In any case it doesn’t exactly give confidence in the process.

            If Joe Biden truly believes that he has been elected legitimately, then it is very much in his interest to have a proper independent audit. It is clearly difficult for him if Donald Trump refuses to concede and tens of millions of Americans are implacably opposed to Joe Biden’s presidency. It is so much in Joe Biden’s interest to have an independent audit that I regard his failure to do so (assuming that he still does not) as significant evidence that he knows there was fraud.

            If the election result gets confirmed, as it appears it will, then I would like to see a stream of successful prosecutions of electoral officers. It won’t stop Joe Biden being president, but it would end any claim of legitimacy.

            Interesting times.

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              Serp

              Joe Biden will continue to do as he’s told but really, if possible, they should upgrade his cyber implant at least to the level of Zuckerberg’s.

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              Chrism

              Why then did Maricopa election committee refuse a state legislature subpoena to examine ballots and machines if everything is above board? Just for ‘shits n giggles’?

              Why did the GA electoral commission move to pulp ballots stored in a first-time (due to Covid) facility claiming that they were from a previous election – when there is photgraphic evidence they were blank ballots for the 2020 within hours of the GA Senate hearing authorising a forensic audit ? (More shits n giggles?)

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          John R Smith

          Tonyb,
          You may not understand the frustration of many Americans. (75 million at least)
          If one believes the election was fraudulent.
          If one has their life’s work destroyed by capricious government fiat, with no ending point offered.
          If one is continuously demonized by the press and Dem leadership for their culture.
          If the political class structurally eliminates opposition, and then has the unmigated audacity to expect ‘unity’.
          A breaking point is reached.
          We are not British.

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            John R Smith

            just want to add …

            ‘If one has their life’s work destroyed by capricious government fiat, with no ending point offered.’

            This one cynically used to create havoc for the purpose of this one …

            ‘If the political class structurally eliminates opposition, and then has the unmi(ti)gated audacity to expect ‘unity’.’

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        Ian George

        With 92% of the vote counted, Perdue led by 115,354 votes (@11.11). With 94% of the vote counted Perdue led by only 2000 odd votes. (So either the % totals were wrong or something untoward happened.)
        By 11:37, with 97% of the vote counted, Perdue only led by a handful of votes. By 2:59, Perdue was behind.

        Interesting
        According to the abc figures at 11:53 Perdue had 2,189,236 votes. 14 mins later he had 10 votes less. At 12:17 he had 2,189,206. He lost 30 votes in 24 mins.

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          Rupert Ashford

          I’ve been struggling with this as well, and it seems they report % precincts counted and not % votes counted. So more smoke and mirrors and deception at play…

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          markx

          If the Democrats have truly managed to pull off a massive multi-faceted complicated election fraud during the presidential election, and have now managed to repeat it with the senate runoffs, all without any sustainable evidence being produced, and without a single person breaking ranks, then they are highly organised and well qualified and to run the country.

          Alternatively, if they were simply elected by the appalled silent majority… they deserve to run the country.

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          Mike Jonas

          Ian George – are you able to provide a link to those numbers? We long ago reached the point where everything needs to be verifiable.

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          Chrism

          Lucky they stopped counting before he had a negative number of Votes

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      Rick

      If Dominion had any involvement in the process in the Georgia runoffs, there’s a BIG question mark.

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      Graham Richards

      Just wondering if Pence, like McConnell, has huge investment in China . McConnell is actually on the board of a Chinese arms manufacturing company. Wonder what Pence is up to?

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      Kalm Keith

      Unfortunately Pence has been evacuated before he could officiate.

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    Ruairi

    ‘We the people’ must rally and stand,
    For the freedoms and laws of our land,
    In a patriots fight,
    To defend every right,
    Like a fort that is ready and manned.

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    Kalm Keith

    Until hearing Trump say it directly in his speech just now I wasn’t sure.

    Were the news headlines correct in claiming that Trump criticised Mike Pence for not offering to disallow the five states with contested submissions.

    Yes, Trump did criticise Pence: and that concerns and disappointments me because he is dumping all the load on Pence rather than where it should be.

    From what little I know about this, Pence would have the responsibility to ensure that the meeting is carried out correctly.

    I understand Trumps frustration, but dumping on Pence seems out of order.

    KK

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    GD

    I’m currently watching the live feed from Breitbart, it is the most inspiring event I’ve ever seen.

    These people want to take their country back and they are doing it peacefully. The numbers are huge.

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2021/01/06/watch-live-save-america-march-at-white-house/

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      GD

      On the other hand, the live feed from the Electoral College count by the House of Reps and the Senate is increasingly depressing.

      Truly, these people are voting for communism

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      Rupert Ashford

      America is finished. For too long the decent conservative backbone of the country has been played into voting for a so-called progressive agenda with reassurances from their political home that “we will protect your interests”. It was relied upon that these folks would adhere to their conservative non-violent decent values and not rise up while those on the other side were given a free pass to misbehave, riot, cheat and steal to their hearts content. The wall has now burst, but I’m afraid it is too late – they are going to end up with only the liberals as their political voice against the radicals when they’re beyond the point of no return. This played out numerous times in other parts of the world already. Only option is to break up the country and that the conservative states band together, form a new country, learn these lessons and jealously protect what they have like Hungary, Poland and Austria are now doing.

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        OriginalSteve

        Americas have 3 options :

        (1) Leave the country – appealing but not available to most people. Note that a lot of wealthy people have bunkers in the US midwest and NZ. Why?

        (2) Fight back and remove the communists. I believe the US constitution legally allows for removal of a govt classified as tyrannical.

        (3) Submit. Look at any communist country and ask if thats a good idea.

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    Pence has released a statement saying he cannot determine which electors to count. I think this will force the states to clean up the fraud.

    At least he hasn’t or won’t blatantly certify the Biden fraud. Today will be interesting!

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      Harry Passfield

      Pence will not want to overplay his hand….this is a very serious poker game.

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      Tilba Tilba

      At least he hasn’t or won’t blatantly certify the Biden fraud.

      I don’t quite understand this … at the end of what will (possibly) be a very long day, the electoral votes will be tallied, 306 to 232 in Joe Biden’s favour. At that point VP Mike Pence will declare Joe Biden as the president (doing himself out of a job at the same time), bang the gavel to end the Session, and that will be that.

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      WokeBuster

      Exactly as I predicted. Pence is 100% establishment. His political career is effectively over now except if he stands as a Democrat in 2024.

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    Tilba Tilba

    I live in Melbourne – there was no pro-Trump rally reported by any media I saw.

    As I and others have been suggesting for many days, VP Mike Pence is playing a straight bat … prior to chairing the Joint Session, he put out a statement saying that he is limited in his constitutional powers, and cannot reject electoral votes from the chair. (His statement had an audience of one, of course).

    The first objection (Arizona) is being played out – and Mitch McConnell has dismissed Trump’s challenge to Joe Biden’s win. As I have been saying also, the place to challenge any state elections was in the courts, and the various administrative appeal tribunals in place.

    Welcome to the United States of China!

    I find the ongoing fascination with China pretty interesting, I must say. And also the notion that the Democrats are more “pro-China” or “weak on China” than the Republicans are. After all, it is big business (Republican backers normally) that moved production and jobs off-shore, while the Democrats in general try to protect those jobs.

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      GD

      I live in Melbourne – there was no pro-Trump rally reported by any media I saw.

      Yet that was clearly a real-time rally held by Australians and Australian Chinese.

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        Peter C

        It was definitely Melbourne, from the background.

        They seemed to go from the Princess Bridge to the beach at Port Melbourne. Does anyone recognise other locations?

        I don’t know when it happened. Mostly overcast but a few sunny patches. It could have been yesterday afternoon?

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        Kalm Keith

        The two red and yellow flags in the photo above do not belong to China.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      “it is big business (Republican backers normally) that moved production and jobs off-shore,”?

      In The Australian scene it was the unions who forced them to do it. Starting when Hawke took over the leadership of the ACTU inn 1969.

      There’s no greed like the greed of a Communist. Communists want everything for nothing!

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      truth

      As far as I’ve seen ‘Big Business’ are hugely Democrats in the US…and here in Australia are far Left Greens, Labor or WetLeft Liberal…all of that cohort in favor of and facilitating the veto of the people’s vote and the removal of a duly-elected PM by coup. They cheered it on.

      They ensured farmers and others were unable to defend themselves against fires and then used their MSM camp to blame CAGW for the fires so they could gain more power and double down on their far Left policies.

      Now…in the US and here ‘Big Business’ are chardonnay uber-Socialists… onside with and enforcing all the identity politics ..the ‘cancel culture’….CCP infiltration of universities…scrambling our children’s brains with lies about history…CAGW and climate…cancelling the vote of Australians to comply with the Paris diktat…with open borders.. .

      The uber-rich Left’s pursuit of big money and international cred at the expense of their country’s sovereignty and security increasingly makes elections irrelevant and the ordinary aspirational people more powerless by the day.

      After the coup in 2015 they announced that conservatives were now irrelevant…remember…and BigBiz…expecially in the CAGW hysteria business…. have aligned with far Left groups like GetUp and Market Forces egged on by people like Clinton’s Podesta…Gore…and other uber-rich American Socialist interlopers to pour huge money into continuing the purge of conservatives ever since.

      What’s happening in the US is a cry of abject despair IMO.

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    Lawrie

    It looks like corruption wins again. If we on the conservative side of politics do not start standing up for what is good and honest the other side will run over the top of us. We see our kids being fed socialist propaganda and let it pass. We see science being politicised and struggle to get a hearing.

    The race in Georgia is not a race at all but a lay down mezaire with the winners already chosen long before the first ballot was cast.

    It now remains to be seen if anyone will have the fortitude and the resources to take these cases forward and prove in court the level of corruption in the election?

    I was surprised that Pence did not send the question about which electors to accept back to the state legislatures.

    The Democrats may have won a pyrrhic victory. They will always be known as the party of deception and the running dogs of China.

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    David Maddison

    It’s disgraceful how the Left wing media (a tautology I know) are treating this.

    I notice the pro-Trump patriots who have invaded The Capitol have not committed any violence except for breaking one window.

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      David Maddison

      Compare the lack of violence from the Right with typical Leftist violence with burning, looting and murder.

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        Ted O'Brien.

        I saw a photo of a woman with a lot of blood on her face, with a caption that Trump supporters had tried to break through police barricades. Early on.

        It didn’t actually say that the woman sustained. her injuries at that event or on that day. Just inferred it.

        It’s a shame that a lie can be so easily told, but the truth requires so many words to refute the lie.

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        well that claim didn’t age well

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    Simon

    The storming of the Capitol building is insane. Trump is to blame for all of this. He should concede and tell his supporters to go home. The election was not fraudulent. Most of the stuff Jo publishes is pure fiction.

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      Peter Fitzroy

      Totally agree with you Simon. As Gee Aye has observed, not one thing claimed by the right has ever been proved. Everyone should get off the crazy train.

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      Trump is not to blame for this, but the Democratic leadership, big data and the MSM are to blame for starting this civil war by weaponizing hate against Trump and those who support him and then projecting their hateful behavior on him. They basically implemented the Goebbels’s strategy to push a stream of false narratives against Trump and too many people are too gullible and have fallen victim to the relentless propaganda. In the process, the MSM and big data provided the equivalent of billions of dollars of illegal campaign contributions to make a pliable swamp rat who’s family business is influence pedaling and who’s brain is rapidly deteriorating, the President of the United States.

      Can you see what TDS has caused? As a disease, it’s far worse than even the China virus.

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        So true. How could the people who stormed the building based on Trump’s words be to blame. It must be the democrats. Probably the chinese too.

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          These same lefties who started this war gave a pass, and indeed encouraged, far worse behavior during the recent riots by Antifa and BLM protestors. They’re the ones who let this genie out of the bottle by condoning violence as a vehicle to promote political change and it seemed to have worked. I don’t think it’s right in either case, but I can certainly see how we got here.

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          Neo

          It must be the democrats. Probably the chinese too.

          No Gee Aye, the lizard people and the alien masquerading as Trumps hair are in cahoots and running it. Must be true as i saw i on teh internet and nobody has denied it.

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    David Maddison

    This is how civilisations collapse. I will have no sympathy with Leftists if they ever realise if they, as the useful idiot army of the Elites, ever realise the enormity of what they’ve done.

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      PeterS

      I agree but I also have no sympathy for Trump if he keeps gas-bagging without enacting the Insurrection Act and EOs given he is so convinced the election was “poisoned” by foreign governments. If he feels so convinced that is the case then he is not only in his rights under the Constitution to do so he is in fact obligated to do so. If he doesn’t act accordingly then he is either not convinced himself the election was truly stolen and he has been bluffing all along, or he feels it’s not worth the angst and the risk of a violent reaction by the left. Either way, he would be lose a lot of credibility even among his strongest supporters. He has until Jan 20 to act. Let’s see what happens.

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        Kalm Keith

        That’s the real point: he pummels Pence for not being prepared to do the dirty work, but he’s the top dog and it’s his task to take the big risk.

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          I would presume Trump preferred to try every legal option open to him. Those who throw stones at Trump can ask how much they have done themselves.

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            Analitik

            That’s the thing – Trump is doing everything to keep his actions Constitutional so if he does win, the Democrats have no right for complaint (even though they would). Every action by Trump has been though legal and Constitutional proceedings – it’s just that the left are in a position to ignore things to time out the clock until Inauguration Day.

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            ian wilson

            in icu hospital for 235 days with gilliam bare syndrome can not use hands

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            Serp

            To whom does the Guillain-Barré syndrome apply ian wilson?

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            Pat Cusack

            Jo,

            Please check out the “Italy-gate” story broken yesterday by Maria Zack of “Nations in Action” #Italydidit.

            Patrick Byrne and Javon Pulitzer have been sitting on info, waiting for this story to break.

            A good set of tweets about it, including audio record of Maria’s story, can be found on the Twitter feed of @KanekoaTheGreat. Kaneokoa also has great coverage of election fraud.

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        David Maddison

        I think all options are exhausted now. The Left have engineered a backlash against Trump and he will have little support from Government agencies or the military.

        The Left have learned that lies and election fraud work.

        Conservatives should know that because they should have read the Left’s instruction manual, “1984”.

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          Analitik

          Conservatives don’t stoop to the level of the Left. Not on a large scale anyway (there are always extreme elements).

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          Serp

          Why the impatience? There’s a fortnight to go before confirming our future misery.

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          Ian

          “The Left have engineered a backlash against Trump and he will have little support from Government agencies or the military.”

          That’s not really correct as the major backlash against Trump has come from Trump.

          He told his followers not to use mail-in voting in the presidential election but to attend in person. As Covid-19 was a worry for many they voted via mail-in a method that suits Democrat voters.

          He rubbished the Georgia voters and tried to force Georgia’s Secretary of State to change the votes.

          He incited anger through his continual claims of fraud claims that were all refuted in the courts.

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    Travis T. Jones

    August, 2020: “House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is warning voters the decision over who the next president is may not be totally in their hands.

    Pelosi said Sunday that Russia is a major threat to election security heading into November and differentiated the issue from threats posed by China and Iran, which reportedly do not want to see a victory for President Trump.

    She added that China is believed to prefer presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden to win in November, an election interference threat she called “not equivalent.”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pelosi-election-threats-from-russia-and-china-not-equivalent-as-kremlin-is-actively-24-7-interfering

    >> It would seem China and Iran were more than “equivalent” in their election interference.

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    Tilba Tilba

    All eyes on Washington DC and the Save America March

    The march has morphed into a protest, and a large number have stormed the US Capitol, disrupting the Joint Session, and the certification of Joe Biden. Senators and Representatives have evacuated to safe places.

    I remain non-partisan – an interested outside observer and commentator – but it seems to me pretty outrageous that Trump supporters do this … what do they think it achieves, other than violence and mayhem? And at least one person seriously shot inside the Capitol … those people bringing guns are thugs indeed.

    More to the point – it was entirely predictable. Why wasn’t there a ring of law enforcement around the Capitol for the last day? America never ceases to amaze me!

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      I said much the same thing upthread and got red thumbed.trump and his supporters have not done him or his cause any favours and presumably he will not get the chance to run again in 2024

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        PeterS

        If Biden becomes POTUS he could do such a bad job that people might flock back to Trump like bees to a honey pot. It’s simply far to early to tell what will happen in 4 years. One step at a time (down to the abyss).

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          Howie from Indiana

          Trump very well could be tried for treason. The MSM is blaming him for protesters storming the Capitol. The MSM is so sickening I rarely listen to national news any more.

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          RossP

          No PeterS there is unlikely to be any fair and free elections in the US for a long time. They did the same thing in Georgia yesterday so why would they change tactics next time? They know the Courts will not do anything. The fix is in for a very long time.
          In my view the USA is now the most corrupt country in the world –from a political view point. They make most 3rd world country look like saints

          The people in Taiwan will be terrified. I expect China to make a move in the next 6 months.(For those that want to laugh at me look up the the five keys goals the CCP set at their last 5 year planning conference, held about 3 years ago.)
          China will move because they now have the US in their pocket and can guarantee the US will not support Taiwan.

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            PeterS

            The point is we just don’t know. If we are to talk about all possible scenarios, how about this one? In 2024 the Democrats had to insert so many fake votes the total count is greater than the total population of the US. Now that would be interesting to watch what happens next.

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              PeterS, who needs to?

              Dems have 4 years to get Chinese electronic machines in more states, to give amnesty to mexicans who don’t even live in the US yet, and besides, they will just delete the deplorable vote. They can iron out the “step jumps”. It will all look so perfect in 2024.

              Anyone who thinks a President outside the Swamp has any chance of ever winning again (if this corruption stands) is kidding themselves.

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                David Maddison

                Jo, it’s terrifying.

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                PeterS

                Jo, don’t you mean 2020? Congress is going to make Biden POTUS due to election fraud so what happens in 2024 is actually moot. Now they are talking about using the 25th to throw out Trump.

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            el gordo

            ‘ … and can guarantee the US will not support Taiwan.’

            Strongly disagree, strategically the status quo will be maintained. Also your suggestion that the US is more corrupt than Third World states won’t pass muster, they are on a par.

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              Analitik

              They’re in the process of absorbing Hong Kong. Taiwan will certainly be next on the agenda once that has progressed sufficiently. Biden and Harris will be paid off to look the other way so that the CCP can keep the masses placated (by not having any Chinese governing bodies that grant greater economic and political freedom than the CCP).

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            truth

            Australia too is hugely affected by this.

            A now emboldened, and already belligerent CCP that has wheeled its candidate into the American Presidency and has many of America’s powerbrokers in the palm of its hands or by the throat….has the power to shut us down in a heartbeat with its huge ownership of our energy infrastructure amongst other sectors…and our government is increasing our dependence on so-called RE at the diktat of China/Europe by the day …giving the lie to the PM’s shadow play and weasel words.

            America is massively diminished in the world now…not by Trump who gave them increasing relevance and positive leverage…who did more to lift America out of its relentless downward spiral than any other human being could have done….not by him but by the lawless Democrats and their facilitating Socialist monopolistic cabal that’s captured all the power in America and treats the people who make them richer by the second than any one on earth has the right to be……treats them like vermin.

            Now the world will belong to Extinction Rebellion…the statue-destroying mobs…the pronoun police….the indoctrinators…the tear-down, car-burning…bush-burning mobs who will cancel the 20th Century in order to ‘build back better’ for their ‘great reset’.

            I fear the people who only wanted justice…fairness …the right to educate their kids and get ahead …peace and prosperity to live their lives without having the ground pulled out from under them as their livelihoods were taken by industrial scale greed and a lust for power over ordinary people that the world has never experienced outside of the world wars and Socialism’s killing fields of the 60s…those people of reason will be the losers out of actions of despair …that will now be …in the hands of the malevolent media….made to look like the French Revolution.

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              Analitik

              Don’t forget the green revolution that will be pushed on us as the USA ratifies the Paris Agreement. Morrison has done a decent job of side-stepping when pushed on this (from both CAGW and the rational groups) but he won’t be able to resist direct pressure from the USA. Biden has already mentioned sanctions if we don’t green up to his (controllers’) expectations.

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            Orson

            Georgia Senate was stolen by the Enemy with a huge flood of D fake “ballots” at around 11:12, as seen in this vote counting graphic

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ad37d052b080e7d3c53b3bdd1956da28dbb004df37738c8d49e30623f0887cdb.jpg

            Precisely as documented in the November 3rd Presidential election crime.

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          Tilba Tilba

          Four years is way too far ahead … but my crystal ball tells me that Trump’s influence will fade, and other younger Republican stars will emerge (including retreads like Ted Cruz). Anyway the first test is the Mid-Term election in 2022, when Donald Trump’s influence will be assessed, particularly in relation to the primaries.

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        Tilba Tilba

        I try to stay moderate – fair and balanced – but even so I sometimes get a blizzard of red thumbs. An indication that a moderate position is seen as seditious I assume!

        And I agree that the win by Joe Biden shouldn’t have arisen – but Donald Trump made so many big mistakes that he couldn’t significantly increase his solid base of 40%-45. I think one of the core problems is that he listens to his “gut” rather than the political professionals on his staff. It is high-risk.

        He had to tackle the coronavirus head-on, rather than see it as a left-wing hoax and a losing proposition. He could have won easily if he had led the charge.

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          David Wojick

          Indications are that absent the fraud he did win easily. That is the issue.

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            Tilba Tilba

            Indications aren’t sufficient in a political-legal context. A court, state admin body, or election certifiers had to be convinced with proof. I think that is the issue – and Trump needed proper lawyers as well.

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              David Wojick

              I was referring to you assertion implying that he did not win big. We do not know that. To my knowledge the numerous allegations, many observation based, have never had a fair hearing. Just as with climate change, the authorities have stonewalled the issue.

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                Analitik

                He WAS winning big which is why the Democrats pulled the stunts to load up Biden ballots in the key districts. Their planned steal had to be marginal to provide plausibility but the extent of the Trump vote went beyond the left’s, RINO’s and MSM’s expectations so they had to scramble to produce a greater vote count for Biden in their selected districts.

                If Trump’s advantage had been marginal, the plan would have worked and we would never have seen the blatant (additional) cheats that took place.

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          RossP

          Tilba Tilba

          Even with all the fraud his vote count was up at least 10 million.

          The power for tackling the virus is, like Australia, largely in the hands of the states. Where he could he did act –military hospital ships sent, “mobile” hospitals supplied, co-ordinated fast tracking the vaccine developments etc. If he made any mistake it was the same as most heads of state around the world –he “delegated” too much authority to the medical bureaucrats who became power crazy and ended giving conflicting advice ( go back and look at the advice Fauci gave on wearing masks, as a simple example. he was spinning like a top for months on the issue earlier in the year.)

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            Tilba Tilba

            Even with all the fraud his vote count was up at least 10 million.

            Yes, but these figures:

            2016 Clinton 65,844,954 (48.2%) to Trump 62,979,879 (46.1%)

            2020 Biden 81,283,485 (51.4%) to Trump 74,223,744 (46.9%)

            His base of around 45% was never enough to ensure a victory.

            Notwithstanding the logistical things that happened, it was Donald Trump’s constant down-playing of the pandemic that I think did him no good. As national leader he had an important role to buy in, and act like a leader.

            I think Scott Morrison created the “national cabinet” precisely to ensure that his leadership was front and centre, even though most of the spade-work was done by the states. ScoMo has done his re-election prospects no harm.

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              Karabar

              Is that counting the 200,000 votes counted in PA over and above the number of registererd voters?

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                Red thumb from me Tilba Tilba. Trump could have done some things better with Covid, but how could anyone quote those election figures like they meant anything?

                Trump won 18 of 19 key indicators for the election. It’s likely he won the popular vote, plus WI, MI, PA and GA — despite the mass media lies, despite $400m Zucker dollars. That’s an extraordinary achievement.

                PS: If you are disappointed with the US response to Covid, blame Fauci not Trump.
                Trumps only mistake was not to sack Fauci and get better advisors.

                Fauci knew what he was doing and he did it anyway.

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                Tilba Tilba

                From Jo

                … but how could anyone quote those election figures like they meant anything?

                I can’t ascertain their integrity of course – but I don’t know they are necessarily false either.

                Anyway, I didn’t start the discussion … if you are going to use the figures to say Trump received ten million more votes than in 2016, then why can’t you use the same figures to show that Biden received 15.5 million more than Hillary Clinton in 2016?

                However if the firm belief is that Trump figures are accurate (even fraudulently down) but Biden figures are not (definitely fraudulently up) then I guess there is no basis for a reasonable debate on the issue.

                Whatever – one always has to be alert for cherry-picking and selective data use … both sides do it of course, as naturally as breathing.

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            Lucky

            RossP A person new to JoNova may not know that in both USA and Australia health and borders are states decisions. But TT put up many posts in many threads, and does read some. The heath/virus issue being state not federal must be known to TT so the TT comments are not genuine opinions.

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          James Murphy

          Obviously you have forgotten how Trump was lambasted by the media for taking the “racist” action of stopping flights from China from 2 February 2020 2020. US citizens were still allowed in, however.

          Meanwhile, a couple of weeks later, Nancy Pelosi and others said there was no problem, indeed, she recommended that people should get themselves out and about even more than normal. As Nancy said in February 2020 about Chinatown in San Francisco. “…That’s what we’re trying to do today is to say everything is fine here,” Pelosi said. “Come because precautions have been taken. The city is on top of the situation…”

          In hindsight, it’s possible Trump could have acted sooner, but in terms of his options, the US President cannot legally make the states do that much, so, as some state authorities chose to make a pigs breakfast of everything, it’s on them, or at least it should be, if the media was not blinded by hatred.

          Large scale action in a lot of countries didnt start until the end of February, and into March. As far as I can tell, March is later than February, yet I dont see you complaining about inaction elsewhere in the world.

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          Chad

          Tilba Tilba
          January 7, 2021 at 7:27 am · Reply
          I try to stay moderate – fair and balanced – but even so I sometimes get a blizzard of red thumbs. An indication that a moderate position is seen as seditious I assume

          No, ..its an indication that you do not realise your own bias.
          You may think/believe you are “fair and balanced”, but obviously others reading your comments think otherwise…
          . The true colour of your underwear shows through frequently

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            Tilba Tilba

            Thank you … I think you made my point for me nicely. 🙂

            But my bias is this – I don’t subscribe to the theory that there was a priori fraud and state malpractice, and that discussion flows from that “conclusion”. I think it’s reasonable that those claiming fraud and malpractice had to prove it somewhere that mattered.

            My other bias is adherence to the constitution and legislation – there has been a lot of incorrect assumptions or misinformation (and often wishful thinking) about the whole electoral college process, and I have tried to correct that where I can.

            And my third point flows from that: no matter how strongly people believe there was masterful and strategic fraud, I find it implausible that the Democratic Party is that smart, and I retain a very healthy scepticism.

            Hillary Clinton complained bitterly about the “vast rightwing conspiracy” – and I was sceptical about that too.

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              RossP

              ” I think it’s reasonable that those claiming fraud and malpractice had to prove it somewhere that mattered.”

              You clearly have not been reading Jo’s articles over recent weeks very well.

              But a few examples :

              The Wisconsin Court agreed that 200K votes were not valid under state law but they wimped out on providing a remedy.
              The PA state SC, Governor and SoS defied the US constitution when they “walked” over the election rules set down by the state legislature.

              In Georgia there are so many issues, but lets take one simple one –60,000 under aged ( below legal age to vote) sent in ballots (or more likely their names were used by others to vote illegally).

              Michigan : Very early on Dr Shiva A presented convincing evidence of vote manipulation.

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                Tilba Tilba

                But I think you make my point for me RossP.

                You could quote dozens of instances, but my statement retains its strength:

                I think it’s reasonable that those claiming fraud and malpractice had to prove it somewhere that mattered.

                Not one single matter has convinced a court – state, federal, or appeal. I have no idea whether it was a fair, clean election or not (no-one really has), but absolutely nothing from the Trump side has been able to convince a single judge that it wasn’t clean.

                What does this tell you?

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              Orson

              TIME FOR CW2!

              The time is now, because That man fought for us against odds no one foresaw, growing ever greater all the time.

              Now it is time for us, We the People, to fight for our own Liberty, because:

              “whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves… [But] when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.” — The Declaration of Independence

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          truth

          You flatter yourself Tilba Tilba.

          Self-styled ‘moderates’ of your ilk are often more damaging for democracy than the far Left because your pose as you pay timid lip service to the Left’s tearing down of our lives and their destruction of our children’s futures…..excuses them.

          Your lip service is meant only to exonerate yourself on your way to …and you hope… excusing …your excoriation of conservative resistance.

          That timid lip service to tick the right boxes as you see it…facilitates the future-destroyers…as I think you know.

          Your red thumbs are richly deserved.

          They’re in recognition of the fact that you …like others on the Left…including WetLeft Liberals here…expect conservatives …in spite of massive achievements…. to lose everything…to be sneered at and eviscerated worldwide…to be consigned to the dustbin of history should they make human mistakes. ..minor mistakes…some of them not even mistakes at all.

          And yet you pretend the massive incompetence ….the criminality…venality for self-enrichment and life-destroying …nation-destroying…. deliberate ‘mistakes’ of the Left either are not happening or you just give them a pass for the sake of your pose for your plausible deniability……..so they’ll be able to continue to beggar the lives of law-abiding people….unfettered by the conservatives you seek to crush for them.

          People like you would cheer the coup that destroyed Tony Abbott’s life after he’d achieved more than any other PM in history in the tiny 15 months the LW jackals allowed him…because of his ‘mistake’ in refusing to sell Australia out to the Paris diktat and his ‘big mistake’ in biting an onion and giving a gong to Prince Philip as the Queen is said to have requested.

          But no doubt you support Marxist Premier Dan Andrews with his Marxist Revolutionary adviser and Andrews’ ‘mistake’ that cost the lives of 800 citizens….his massive waste of TPM ….his militant indoctrination program in schools, posing as ‘Safe Schools’ that’s anything but safe and his Belt and Road sellout of Australia to the Communist Chinese Dictatorship.

          In Australia…each LW incompetent …including WetLeft Liberals who’s displaced conservatives since the political assassination of Tony Abbott has made myriad massive life-destroying mistakes…infinitely worse than any miniscule mistake by Abbott…and the MSM and people like you have given them a pass and helped them to become even more popular with an increasingly gullible and information-deprived populace.

          It’s the story of America too….and it will lead to loss of freedom in the world ….IMO.

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          MP

          TT, first rule of Thumb club, don’t speak about Thumb club or you will get a hail of thumbs and rightfully so.

          I like ya, but rules is rules.

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          shannon

          “He had to tackle the coronavirus head-on, rather than see it as a left-wing hoax”………..

          If your statement is correct……..

          Now… under Biden (in the next few months)…the World should see the immediate defeat/disappearance of the Coronavirus..!!?

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      Kalm Keith

      “America never ceases to amaze me!”

      I have the same feelings about Victoriastan.

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    PeterS

    According to certain reports, Capitol in lockdown mode, voting put on hold, Pence evacuated and national guard coming.

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    David Maddison

    I think President Trump has fought bravely and with fierce patriotic determination but I think that short of a Second American Revolution there’s nothing that can be done now. And most people aren’t yet suffering badly enough to be motivated to participate.

    The United States has been under attack from the Left since at least the 1960’s because it is the jewel in the crown of Western Civilisation which is what they most want to destroy. Sadly due to apathy of the Right, and the failure of the Right to recognise the determination and ruthlessness of the Left, the Left have finally succeeded.

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      Peter C

      I think President Trump has fought bravely and with fierce patriotic determination but I think that short of a Second American Revolution there’s nothing that can be done now

      Mike Adams does not agree with you.
      https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-06-trump-could-flip-script-and-win-jan6.html

      Don’t give up.

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        Analitik

        Trump will fight to the end but because he must limit his actions to those that are Constitutional (so that a win would be truly legitimate) he will ultimately fail. The Left, Deep State, MSM and RINO’s are too strong for any single person to stand against.

        It’s a miracle that he was able to win the Republican pre-selection let alone the election in 2016 and this will be recognised in hindsight.

        Now the USA must fall to the point of revolution before it can recover.

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      Serp

      Again I ask leave the defeatism until after inauguration.

      We’ve enough to contend with when el gordo comes in after his regular ouija board sessions and tells us everything will stay the same like Wittgenstein’s landlady.

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    dinn, rob

    1-5-21 11:34 pm Nearly a third of all voters consider President Donald Trump the legitimate winner of November’s presidential election with another 10% unsure of who won, according to a poll conducted by Scott Rasmussen for Just the News. https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/poll-trump-biden-polls/2021/01/05/id/1004424/
    ……………………..
    (Natural News) Overstock.com CEO and constitutional activist Patrick Byrne tweeted on Monday a trove of new information about the fraudulent election that suggests a printing shop in Michigan may have been responsible for producing fraudulent ballots for many of the key swing states this election cycle.
    In addition to the fraudulent mail-in ballots that were allegedly printed in China and sent to the United States prior to the election, a print shop in Michigan, according to Byrne, churned out fake ballots for Delaware County, Penn., some of which were diverted to Bethpage, N.Y.
    United States Postal Service (USPS) subcontractor Ethan Pease recently confessed that he was instructed to deliver these fraudulent ballots, and now we know from Byrne’s testimony that there was, in fact, ballot fraud taking place in other key swing states as well.
    “There, a boiler room of folks fill in ‘Biden’ (often without even voting downballot),” Byrne says of the printing operation in Michigan. “The ballots (which are forensically legitimate, given that they come from the same print shop as the good ballots) then get trucked into Pennsylvania and mailed. Hundreds of thousands.”
    All of this is fully documented, Byrne says, including texts, statements, affidavits, “everything.” There is plenty of evidence to expose the operation, in other words – if only those in the appropriate positions of power would listen and take action on behalf of the American people.
    More of the latest news about election fraud, by the way, can be found at Trump.news Byrne says that this same printing company produced fake ballots for Michigan as well, along with Wisconsin, Arizona and Georgia. All of these states, as you are likely now fully aware, have contested election results due to mounting evidence of fraud.
    As for the fake Chinese ballots, Byrne says that a number of them were delivered to Fulton County, Ga., where a phony “water main break” resulted in all but four people being “shoved out of the counting operation.” This “water main break” turned out to be “a toilet overflowed,” and it was quickly remedied long before the counting operation was shut down due to an alleged “emergency.”
    In the late evening on Dec. 30, thanks to testimony from Jovan Pulitzer about how easy it is to hack into Dominion Voting Systems machines through their illegal modems, Georgia’s Senate Judiciary Committee voted to approve an inspection of the operations – though this, too, was thwarted by the election thieves.
    “Hours later (as I have previously noted) an Enterprise van pulled up and got filled up with voting materials,” Byrne notes.
    While the election thieves further attempted to shred the fraudulent ballots before they could be discovered, some of them were found stuck to the side of the shredding bin. Upon further inspection, these ballots were discovered to have come from communist China.
    “They include some unshredded ballots (which 2 federally certified forensic examiners have affied do not match the legitimate ballots),” Byrne explains. “ALSO, A SHIPPING RECEIPT FROM THE CHINESE FIRM THAT PRINTED THE BALLOTS! IN CHINESE!”
    Byrne claims that both the Department of Justice (DoJ) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) were told to stand down after being made aware of the fraud. President Donald Trump, Byrne further claims, “has had to call agents on the ground asking them to continue.”
    In other words, the fix is in and the entire system is working against Trump to prevent the truth from being exposed. This is why Byrne is encouraging American patriots to retweet his messages to @TheJusticeDept letting them “know your feelings.” “Who ‘ordered’ the DOJ and DHS agents to stand down?” asked one Populist.press commenter. “We are sick and tired of the lack of accountability in D.C.” https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-06-michigan-print-shop-fake-ballots-pennsylvania.html
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    Solar winds streaming from the Sun are expected to cause a possible disturbance in the planet’s magnetosphere this week. The disturbance could trigger a weak solar storm with possible effects on satellite operations and power grids on Wednesday, January 6. The US Space Weather Prediction Centre (SWPC) forecast follows the eruption of two Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs) from the Sun on January 1 and 2.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1380042/solar-storm-forecast-space-weather-swpc-geomagnetic-storm-evg
    ………………………………………………………………….
    video from US Capitol of 10 minutes ago: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/us-capitol-lockdown/index.html

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    Orson

    Live stream of Wash, DC protests by PT Network, here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD_QatUHUgU

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    Orson

    Capitol chambers taken over by Trump supporters? Or Antifa posing as Trumpers? Leader photographed in Presiding Officers chair with raised fist like Antifa — a pose no R or Trump supporter would strike.

    Rumour that a woman was shot in the neck by Capital Hill police.

    FBI “Strike Teams” at the Capital Building now, according to PT News.

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      Lawrie

      Is t5hat the same FBI that pursued the lies of the Steele dossier, the same FBI that sat on Hunter’s laptop for a year, the same FBI that did not investigate ballot dumps? That FBI? Another discredited swamp dwelling organisation.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Swampy Joe wants to bring the country together …

    Fact check: Biden did not post picture of his dogs playing with a Trump chew toy

    “The images are authentic, but they were not shared by Biden himself, or official accounts associated with his campaign or transition team.
    Naomi Biden, Joe Biden’s granddaughter, shared the images on Twitter in July and then deleted them.”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-biden-dogs-trump-toy-idUSKBN28Q2PQ

    Come on, man. Joe’s authentic.

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    Lawrie

    That sanctimonious criminal China Joe was making a speech rebroadcast on 2GB moments ago. I gagged at the hypocrisy as he condemned the current disturbance in the Capitol but was silent while his friends in Antifa looted stores and burnt cars before the election. Joe will never get anyone to come together apart from his Chinese buddies and the corruption machine that is the Democrat party.

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    Orson

    Bomb threat at Capitol means lockdown and sweep of the building.

    FAKE NEWS BEGATE FAKE ELECTION! Re-run the Prez election under Federal troops aegis in the seven disputed illegal election holding state is the only way to prevent Civil War 2! Just as advocated by Lt Gen Michael Flynn.

    A FRAUD PRESIDENT MEANS WAR! The only last way to protect People’s Liberty from one party state fascism,

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    David Maddison

    I watched the speech that Biden’s controllers had him read out. He didn’t wait for questions but left the podium immediately as his handlers know he lacks the cognitive ability to handle questions due to his Alzheimer’s (plus the dementia induced short temper).

    It’s too bad the same level of concern and determination to prosecute offenders wasn’t displayed when Leftist domestic terrorists burned, looted and murdered.

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      Analitik

      6 months at the outside before it’s President Harris. The Biden’s foreign dealings can’t be hidden any more than his mental decline.

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    PeterS

    Vox Day made an excellent point that applies even more so here; “never trust a conservative. They are practitioners of the art of surrender.” He made that point in relation to Pence announcing he will not support Trump for a second term.

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    William Astley

    Our sneaky smart Plan is non-violent. It is not however with drama.

    The Plan (the plan was designed by AI who is working with the 305 Battalion Intelligence) knew (Zero probability the Washington Police would do their job in a non-political manner) the Washington police would purposely …… not guard the Congress because the Dems, who control Washington the city, want to ha, ha, …. Make it look as if the Trump protestors… was an angry mob.

    That enabled the Plan via Trump to call in the National Guard to GUARD congress. Why? What is coming later?

    Comment: Trump is part of the plan. Some in the US Milt thought a less controversial person would be better. The AI’s only, recommendation after US Milt changes to the Plan, was that Trump’s transformation from an elite politician, to a team member with a role in a Plan to save the US and the world, will gain the respect of both the Chinese and US people as to logic of the US’s congress replacement system. The US is selling our new system of government to the US’s allies.

    The Chinese have released a second version of covid in the UK which 40% to 70% more contagious than the first release of covid. The US Milt is going to say the Chinese did that for commercial reasons, sort of nazi CCP commercial reasons.

    This is going to be a big deal, when the US Milt explains that covid is a WMD; and explains why covid is not a problem in China and explains how to cure covid.

    Comment:
    The second release of covid has 14 ‘mutations’, 7 of which all occur on the virus’ spike, which the two Western vaccines used to trigger the human immune response. The Chinese released the second version of covid to enable their vaccine to be better and to sell more the Western designed vaccines.

    Unfortunately, the UK population is now severely Vit D deficient (First covid wave struck in the spring and disappeared in the summer)….

    The US Milt Intelligence will now start releasing information to cure covid.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55507012

    The most chilling finding from this piece of research is that the November lockdown in England, hard though it was for many people, would not have stopped the variant form of the virus spreading.

    The same severe restrictions that saw cases of the previous version of the virus fall by a third, would see a tripling of the new variant. This is why there has been such a sudden tightening of restrictions across the country.

    The new variant of Covid-19 is “hugely” more transmissible than the virus’s previous version, a study has found.

    It concludes the new variant increases the Reproduction or R number by between 0.4 and 0.7.

    The UK’s latest R number has been estimated at between 1.1 and 1.3. It needs to be below 1.0 for the number of cases to start falling.

    The new virus has been designated “Variant of Concern 202012/01” or VOC by Public Health England.

    It was detected in November and thought to have originated in the south-east England in September.

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    Orson

    Excellent coverage by Newsmax
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39WrSskl3XE

    Update every hour or half hour.

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    Bernard

    Antifa is storming the hill.

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    Tilba Tilba

    Our nephew lives in Washington, and says it’s insane there. He’s quite conservative and votes Republican, but respects law & order more than he supports Donald Trump stirring up the base.

    I wonder when VP Mike Pence will call the Joint Session back on?

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      TdeF

      When conservatives protest, it’s a violent dangerous riot, the likes of which have never been seen before.

      When the extreme left actually riot, murder, burn and occupy, it’s a ‘mostly peaceful’ protest and people do what they do according to Pelosi.

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        It looks like a violent riot. Is it not?

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          TdeF

          Mostly peaceful. I expect the ongoing occupation of downtown Portland is still going on after six months. Riots even on New Years Eve. All in a good cause, which is?

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            TdeF

            And I don’t remember the many riots at the barricades in front of the White House in Washington as being anything but peaceful and of course Trumps’ fault. Protesters should stay home unless it is BLM or AntiFA or some other approved riot. Destroying public property including ripping down statues is just ‘what people do’ according to the Democrat speaker of Congress There has been nothing like that.

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              false equivalence is just excuse making.

              These self-entitled white people stormed the building to try to subvert the political process that a majority of Americans voted to take place based on a delusion.

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      Peter C

      Can you give more details Tilba Tilba?

      How many people are marching in Washington? I had a very brief glance at the gathering for the Trump rally. It did not seem all that large.

      Trump supporters apparently got into the Capitol building, broke a window and erected a cross. One was shot and killed by police. Congress suspended.

      Are AntiFa and BLM present?

      I wonder when VP Mike Pence will call the Joint Session back on?

      In 4 years time hopefully.

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        Tilba Tilba

        In 4 years time hopefully.

        LOL … that’s clever. But I understand it is 8:00 pm Eastern Time, so midday here in Eastern Australia. Rain delay in the cricket, so I can watch Congress (not that it’s very exciting TV). I expect some would argue that Test Cricket ain’t that exciting either.

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      Kalm Keith

      I love it: so so subtle. 🙂

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    Kim

    The way the electoral system in the USA works is that the state legislators have the power to specify who they want to put forward to the electoral college. That’s where the action needs to be taken. If there’s a problem then fix it there. President Trump and the GOP have had many years to fix up the system. The problems have been glaringly obvious. What have they done?!!!

    There is an old expression: “the voters get the politicians they deserve”. Ultimately it’s up to the voters to ensure that they have good politicians who are enacting good legislation and regulations and are ensuring that a good job is being done.

    Under Democratic Capitalism people vote with their support and their wallet. That’s where the ultimate power lays.

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    thingadonta

    It’s not a game.

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      Tilba Tilba

      It’s not a game.

      No it is not … I agree. It is the pursuit of power.

      What is really concerning from a governance point of view – is if the House of Reps had a Republican majority today, they could install Donald Trump as president for a second term tonight, despite the state’s certified slates.

      You might find the Supreme Court would overturn such an abuse of process, but it would be a risk to rely on it.

      The Congressional Ceremony should not be a place where partisan federal representatives overturn the democratic decisions of the states.

      I think that mainstream Republicans recognise what a dangerous precedent it would set, and all objections will be voted down … but still, the future might be different.

      Perhaps wise heads in both parties will recognise that electoral reform is an urgent need. Perhaps one should not hold one’s breath.

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    David Maddison

    Above at #24 I commented that President Reject Biden didn’t hang around to answer questions after reading the speech his handlers required him to.

    He is unable to answer questions due to his dementia.

    Then I thought, the Leftist media will NEVER ask him hard questions and in any case the questions will be known well in advance and he will have practiced answers or he’ll just read them from the teleprompter.

    The questions will be no more difficult than asking him how his dogs, Major and Champ, are setting into the White House.

    Hopefully he’ll remember their names.

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    David Maddison

    We all know how evil and ruthless the Left are.

    Is it not at least possible that there were Leftist terrorists embedded in the pro-Trump group and it was they that caused a lot of the trouble?

    Not that it was seriously violent by the standards of the Left.

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      Just Thinkin'

      There was.

      There was.

      And if people did not expect this then they are crackers.

      Remember, The Deep State are fighting for their lives
      and will do ANYTHING…….

      ANYTHING.

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    not long now

    In a letter to colleagues, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced leaders of Congress have decided to resume the joint session tonight to certify President-elect Joe Biden’s win once the Capitol is “cleared for use.”

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    Geoff Sherrington

    At 10.30 am in Melbourne, watching mainly channel 9 news, I am struck by observing that not one invited commentator has been Repub. There has been a procession of Dems and/or people with Trump Derangement Syndrome, like Martin Luther King III.
    Why have our media folk not presented any (or if I missed it, many) Repubs? After all, that is the party of the President, The Senate majority and nearly 50% of the lower house. Geoff S

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    Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, a Republican from Washington state, will reverse her position on challenging the presidential election results.

    “We must have a peaceful transfer of power. The only reason for my objection was to give voice to the concern that governors and courts unilaterally changed election procedures without the will of the people and outside of the legislative process. I have been consistent in my belief that Americans should utilize the constitutional tools and legal processes available to seek answers to their questions about the 2020 election. What we have seen today is unlawful and unacceptable,” McMorris Rodgers said in a statement today.

    I wonder if she will also vote with the soon to be tabled articles of impeachment?

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      Tilba Tilba

      I have heard that Kevin McCarthy (Reps) and Mitch McConnell (Senate) might try to persuade their members to not proceed with objections, following the protests, and just get the confirmation over and done with, with as much decorum as can be mustered.

      Donald Trump must know that he cannot win this process – presumably he just wants as much support as possible so that he is at least seen as not giving up meekly. I don’t know – it’s hard to know what he is thinking.

      It could still be a long night.

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        Or a long one if Pence gets moving on the 25th amendment

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        Chad

        Donald Trump ……….
        ……. – it’s hard to know what he is thinking.

        No, its quite obvious…
        He is thinking ….” how can i prevent this disaster thats about to smash the USA ?”

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          RossP

          You mean you achieve that by ignoring widespread election fraud and running rough shod over the Constitution. Yeah –I suppose that will be a good long term solution. //

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          Tilba Tilba

          No, it’s quite obvious. He is thinking ….” how can I prevent this disaster that’s about to smash the USA ?”

          You think so?

          Anyway, it’s hard to run a democracy if 50% of the population think the other side are treasonous commies, and must be crushed like a bug. The other 50% think the other side are conspiracy-addled nutjobs high on junk-food. Not much common ground.

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            Neo

            No, it’s quite obvious. He is thinking

            I agree. He’s thinking “How can i pardon myself for everything before the 20th and how quickly can i go bankrupt..again..when Deutsch Bank come after me for their $$ ?????”

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      Tilba Tilba

      The proposed objection to the electoral slate from Georgia lapsed because no senators would support it (they changed their minds after the storming of the US Capitol earlier today).

      It could be a fairly early night after all – but Pennsylvania is still to come.

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    Chris

    Stacked across the road from Trump tower are bags of bricks, a pile of wood and 6 gas cylinders. That’s Antifa and BLM modus operandi …….scary stuff.

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    dinn, rob

    12-30-20 One of the Senate Judiciary Committee members asked her, “Do you know when you adjudicated a ballot, does the Dominion system keep a record of that—that this is what it looked like before adjudication and after the adjudication?” Latham explained that she’s not a Dominion Voting machine expert but that her supervisor cannot see any record on her end that there is any way to see what happened with the adjudicated ballots? Latham explained that they were never able to certify the Coffee County votes after the recount. Ms. Latham explained that during the recount, as ballots with the QR codes were being scanned they were jamming in the scanners and were set aside. Later in the day the supervisor put all of those ballots through. She also explained that 6 of 8 counties in GA were “forced to certify” their votes, even though their numbers were off in the recount. Latham added that all of the supervisors in these counties are willing to sign affidavits to confirm that they were forced to certify their votes.

    Near the end of her testimony, a Trump campaign lawyer asked Latham, “What steps the Secretary of State took when they came down to Coffee County? Latham responded, “Three people from the Secretary of State showed up with guns, and badges and handcuffs, and two Dominion tech reps.” She added, “They came with the intent of intimidation. She continued to explain, “Luckily the county attorney stayed with the supervisor so that she wasn’t by herself, and basically he said, ‘You want a recount, we’ll do a recount.’” Latham told the committee that there were no Republicans or Democrats present to watch the recount. The attorney who was with the group called on a group of high school sophomores from a private school to count the ballots. She explained that the Dominion machines wouldn’t scan the ballots and that the”Dominion reps sat on the floor for two hours with a Dominion manual trying to figure out why they couldn’t get the machines to do what they needed to do.” https://100percentfedup.com/coffee-co-gop-chair-testifies-at-ga-senate-election-hearing-3-people-from-the-sec-of-state-showed-up-with-guns-and-badges-and-handcuffs-and-two-dominion-tech-reps-alleges-they/
    ………………………
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-jordan-dems-changed-rules-142302075.html

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    Deplorable Lord Kek

    @PatrickByrne

    Last night we watched election data flow real-time from Georgia to Islamabad and China. They take a blank ballot, check live voter rolls overseas, pick one to attribute the vote to, and accept it.

    https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1346947147774660609

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    neil

    America is a country founded on insurrection they celebrate it every year on the 4th of July.
    Imagine how much violence would have been unleashed by the left’s civil army if Trump had won the election, it would have been a hundred times worse than their BLM riots.

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      if you say so. In the meantime, in the real world, Trump lost and his supporters stormed parliament.

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        GARETH LEWIS

        You know who they are do you? You are certain no Antifa/BLM stormtroopers were there? Isn’t it a wonderful reason for the oh-so tolerant Left to crack down on any and all normal Americans who do not subscribe to Marxism?

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          A false question… no one can know that there were no Antifa without interrogating every single person.

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            Lance

            Well then, no one can know there was not fraud without validating every voter, eh?

            Or is Ashli Babbit simply the new Horst Wessel?

            Disprove it, G.A.

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          Tilba Tilba

          Isn’t it a wonderful reason for the oh-so tolerant Left to crack down on any and all normal Americans who do not subscribe to Marxism?

          I would be interested in hearing about any examples where the left has cracked down on normal Americans who do not subscribe to Marxism.

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            neil

            Antifa/BLM Riots. It’s the great irony of Antifa they claim to be socialist but they are true fascists, unlike Trump supporters who are simply patriots.

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    “When the Capitol is cleared and secured, and the joint session of Congress and the electoral vote count is completed, the House and the Senate should proceed immediately to the impeachment and removal of
    @realDonaldTrump”
    https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1346983894298595330?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1346983894298595330%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2Flive%2F2021%2Fjan%2F06%2Fgeorgia-election-latest-news-senate-ossoff-warnock-democrats-republicans-trump-biden

    First there was Benedict Arnold (but at least he distinguished as a soldier before turning traitor)
    Then…. Jefferson Davis (arrested for treason)
    Now…. Donald Trump, a coward, a draft-dodger, a liar and now a treasonous Traitor!
    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/a-lying-draft-dodger-republican-military-veterans-slam-trump-and-declare-their-support-for-biden-in-new-ad/

    [Posted so people can discuss the toxic media message and if/how that can be overcome to get the real story out. – Jo]

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      Tilba Tilba

      “When the Capitol is cleared and secured, and the joint session of Congress and the electoral vote count is completed, the House and the Senate should proceed immediately to the impeachment and removal of @realDonaldTrump”

      I can’t see that happening myself … the smarter Democrats would prefer Donald Trump to have aspirations towards 2024, thereby keeping the other younger Republican presidential aspirations in a corridor of uncertainty.

      Will depend of course on whether Trump (and Trumpism) fades or thrives after 20 January.

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    Orson

    It was a fascist Antifa or Blac Bloc opp!

    I concur with one “Acker” who sums it up well:

    Now that I’ve watched a bunch of the video footage, and had time to reflect, I’m coming to the same conclusion as many others:

    This was an Antifa False Flag.

    Yes, the “Stop the Steal” rally was real, and 95+% of the protestors who marched to the Capitol were legitimate Trump supporters. But, the tiny contingent who engaged in violence (the scope of which is still undetermined) were mostly Antifa moles. That’s not saying no legitimate Trump supporters didn’t get involved in the melee and engage in violence. But the primary instigators were Antifa moles.

    Look at the videos. Do the people leading the melee look like Trump supporters? Or do they look like the typical leftist cavalcade of freaks impersonating Trump supporters? Also, the smoke bombs the protestors set off: I have seen Antifa and other leftist agitators engage in this tactic scores of times; I’ve never seen a right wing protestor do it, even on the rare occasions right wingers turn violent.

    This was a setup, pure and simple. How deep it goes remains to be seen (and might never be known). The fact that the Mayor asked federal forces to stand down yesterday is, of course, suspicious. Also, it is curious these protestors were able to get into the Capitol so easily with Congress in session, during the most consequential and intense session in many years.

    So, there’s a decent chance this goes deeper. Far deeper, into the depths of the deep state. This might be our very American version of the Reichstag Fire.

    But in any case, the main perpetrators were leftist moles. Of that, I am quite certain.

    Reposted from http://www.thenewneo.com

    So, the Right arm raised in clenched fist, the attire, the fake “MAGA” poses. Yeah: very likely Antifa.
    (Unconfirmed reports of hammer and sycle tats on their arms.)

    Reichstag Fire in DC, taking on the Capitol Hill chamber.

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    GARETH LEWIS

    The West as we knew it is over. Ordinary middle class people in the US (and soon all the rest of us in western countries) are disenfranchised and shall soon find themselves in ideological chains. Real chains might follow.

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    RossP

    This is an interesting snippet of news and it seems to me to be an easy way to do what they did.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbU5-NkbZ1A

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      MP

      Looks like Anderson Coopers brother.

      Where is all the info dumps promised, the lap top, the Kraken. O wait next week, its coming.
      Thought Lin Wood said Pence had been shot at dawn, did I just see dead people.

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      Serp

      A file of registered voters from which those who didn’t cast a ballot are drawn to vote for the Democrat candidates.

      A veritable Maxwell’s Demon of a process, running on how many tabulating machines simultaneously without conflicts arising. Still, if anybody could do it that’d be the Thousand Talents group.

      You’ve got to wonder what substances Guiliani and L Lin Wood Jr are being fuelled by in these heady times.

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    Furiously curious

    Come on guys. If you’re not going to loot, pillage and burn, stop wasting everyone’s time, and just go home at 6pm. You can’t be allowed to stay out late if you aren’t willing to put in, you’re giving genuine protests a bad name. At least burn some cars, maybe a building or two. Those are the only type of protesters we will allow, to stay out late.
    And isn’t it a marvelous illustration of the caliber of people we have governing us, and their bloodhound like following of the science, that the first act they tabled in Congress, was to ban the use, in Congress, of the terms man or woman, mother or father, husband or wife, boy or girl, son or daughter. Their very first act! This bodes really well for our future, in these rather challenging times. Don’t ideologues bring great leadership skills to the table!

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    David Maddison

    I suppose the Democrats will now be furiously destroying what evidence of fraud is left that has not already been destroyed. This will preclude any future investigations.

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    Tilba Tilba

    The Senate has rejected the objection to the Arizona slate by 93 to 6.

    The House of Representatives did likewise, 303 to 121.

    It’s difficult to see the point of going through more objections, since the results will be very similar, but I guess that’s going to happen.

    Georgia and Pennsylvania are the other two target states it seems (because those three states would have dropped Joe Biden below the 270 majority, causing a Contingent Election).

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    David Maddison

    Twitter and Farcebook have now locked President Trump’s accounts. Evil Leftist [email protected]

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    Jim in Newcastle

    I wonder if Ronald Reagan were alive today would he describe this congress as a Loony Tunes government?

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    David Maddison

    The Marxists finally have their prize, the United States.

    This is what happens when conservatives remain ignorant and apathetic end of decades against the utter ruthlessness of the Left and their view to “do whatever it takes”.

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    New Chum

    Not sure is fake news or not Rudy Drops a Bombshell ( 1:18 )
    https://stateofthenation.co/?p=45951

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    Lance

    This farce will not end well. Doesn’t matter which side one is on.

    So, a geriatric dementia ridden opportunist criminal has joined hands with a Marxist, to gain control of 22% of World GDP and some 3000 nuclear weapons, with a platform of crippling said economy and playing Neville Chamberlain with Iran and China.

    That’s going to work out well, eh?

    Tell you what. We shall see about that.

    Seizing power is not the same as holding it.

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      PeterS

      It’s not about Trump versus Biden. It’s about fair elections and the right of the people to choose their own leader without illegal interference on a mass scale. Election results can’t be trusted any more. What’s worse is the courts are turning a blind eye to it because they don’t care. If this is not enough for Trump to use the Insurrection Act and EOs to start a new set of elections then nothing is and he might as well hang his tail between the legs and scurry away like a coward and a fake.

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    Dr David Maddison

    “End of” was meant to read “over”.

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    David Maddison

    Jo, the reply box is not remembering name and email address, at least not for me.

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    OldOzzie

    The Burning Platform

    WE ARE ON OUR OWN

    Well, this is it, isn’t it? The storming of the Capitol is an event which will mark a watershed in our history. Make no mistake. This is the end of “Trumpism” and the Republican Party. Pence, needless to say, is political history. And you had better believe that the Democrats, and especially the Establishment Republicans, know it. Let us leave aside the fact that many of those storming the Capitol acted out of impulse and rage.

    The Establishment will now attempt to label the core population of America as “terrorists” and criminals. Good enough. They will get what they have been asking for. The mask has fallen. Ordinary Americans are waking up to the fact that “they been had” and things will only get uglier. The fools in Congress will react with fury and that will only turn up the heat. We are now two countries and only one can win in the end.

    In 1905 a crowd of peaceful protesters gathered outside the Winter Palace in St. Petersburg to beg “The Little Father” for bread. What they got was a hurricane of 7.62X54R ball ammo right in their faces. After that, the die was cast for Russia. Yes, things “calmed down” after a while but the fragile bond between the people and their government had been broken forever. It was called “Bloody Sunday”. We will have many bloody Sundays before the pot finally boils over.

    Tomorrow we will be overwhelmed by breathless stories from the MSM about the “mob” and how Trump incited them, rather than the corrupt election machinery that delivered the presidency to a human mummy and his Marxist sidekick. The Congressmen hiding under their desks will regain their “courage” and emerge to damn the very people who put most of them in office. Biden will spout gibberish, Pelosi will shriek, Schumer will demand our guns, Romney will be in high dudgeon. Nobody will give a [email protected] what they say.

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      Peter C

      Well, this is it, isn’t it? The storming of the Capitol is an event which will mark a watershed in our history. Make no mistake. This is the end of “Trumpism” and the Republican Party.

      What a load of BS. Not the end. It is a call to Patriots to defend the Republic, to the death if necesssary.

      A lot of Patriots have staged a last stand.
      Remember the Alamo.

      But I am not saying that this stand will not suceed. It may gather strength!

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      Peter C

      In 1905 a crowd of peaceful protesters gathered outside the Winter Palace in St. Petersburg to beg “The Little Father” for bread. What they got was a hurricane of 7.62X54R ball ammo right in their faces. After that, the die was cast for Russia. Yes, things “calmed down” after a while but the fragile bond between the people and their government had been broken forever.

      That is True. And they didn’t get what what they hoped for. The Tsar was gone, replaced by the Soviets, who may have been even worse, if that is possible.

      Is it a proper analogy for the current circumstrances?

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    OldOzzie

    Electoral College Successfully Overturned, Buffalo Guy Selected As President

    The protestors then invoked the little known 29th Amendment of the Constitution that says the first person to storm the Capitol while Congress is in session and stand there triumphantly shall become the next president of the United States.

    According to sources, the mantle of leadership has been placed upon a guy wearing a really cool buffalo hat, since he was the first person to make it to the front of the room and strike a triumphant pose while waving the flag.

    The newly elected buffalo-hat President will be announcing his cabinet members next week. Biden congratulated him on his victory and then fell back to sleep.

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      PeterS

      This is no time to joke, especially if it’s true that a woman was shot dead because she was a Trump supporter.

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        Peter C

        It looked like she was trying to crawl through a broken side window into the speakers area of the Capitol building.

        Was she a Trump supporter?

        I feel for her and her family.

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    OldOzzie

    A Time for New Beginnings and Ending That Which Must End

    Janus is an ancient Roman, a composite god who is associated with doorways, beginnings, and transitions. A usually two-faced god, he looks to both the future and the past at the same time, embodying a binary.

    If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.

    – Thomas Pynchon, “Gravity’s Rainbow” (1973)

    Two years ago, also during the month of Janus, I wrote a speculative article on Trump as two faces on the same coin and, specifically, considered the president as the “most interesting man in the world”: an enigmatic “ringleader”, of sorts, who always keeps us guessing between transitional episodes:

    What if the innermost circle of The Borg, or, at least, the mid-level components like the Deep State, Orwellian Media, Dems, Rinos, and punditry, were actually caught off guard by Trump’s 2016 win – simply as a result of underestimating the awareness and will of the American voters who overwhelmed The Borg’s systemic election fraud four years ago? What if Trump were real and Spygate, Mueller, Ukrainegate, and Covid, were the means to gaslight the dupes and tie-up the president as much as possible over the previous four years?

    In consideration of Occam’s Razor: What if everything we have seen during Trump’s presidency was merely a natural progression of events?

    Then, what if the same voter fraud occurred in the 2020 Election except, this time, The Borg was caught red-handed?

    Consider for a moment the kind of power we are witnessing: The mainstream media, the FBI, the Justice Department, the CIA, Big Tech, The Drudge Report, most of Fox News, and, now, even the American electoral system and Supreme Court… ALL assimilated by The Borg.

    How could this all-inclusive collusion exist?

    What follows will provide some of the answers to that question.

    Over the past four years, I, personally, enjoyed the presentation of Trump in the same manner I would the ringleader of a circus. Except, in this particular production, the tent has been set aflame by the owners of said circus and no one yet has been, truly, led to safety by the ringleader; nor have the owners of the circus been correctly identified, let alone pursued or prosecuted. But, then again, is that actually the responsibility of the ringleader?

    Perhaps the reason for the showman was only to show us the true size of The Borg.

    According to legend, Michelangelo was once asked how he sculpted the Statue of David and the ancient artist responded: “But I didn’t. I just chipped away everything that wasn’t David… until there he was.”

    And that’s how truth-seekers can view the near-completed high towers of The Borg: by chipping away at the surrounding walls of deception. Currently, it is an information war being waged by keyboard warriors, video whistleblowers, and voices over select radio frequencies. The demarcation lines now divide belief systems and the territories are ideological and, even, spiritual. Yet, the tyrannical encroachment, and its resistance, will progressively manifest in three dimensions as a continuation by other means

    Very long but interesting read that ends with

    Emigrate While You Still Can!

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    ian1946

    What is the most concerning about this is the number of so called Republicans who have sided with the Democrats to steal the election. How long before the CCP tells the US to cut Australia adrift and destroy our economy so they can march in at will.

    All those useful idiots here who said they wanted Trump out because they didn’t like him can repent at leisure as the Communists seize assets and destroy the middle class. I am retired so it won’t affect me much but my grand children will grow up at the direction of the CCP.

    As soon as they are not needed the useful idiots will be eliminated as per Stalin.

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    Roger Knights

    Here’s a comment I posted on two other sites:

    Robby Soave: “Indeed, what happened at the Capitol was no less a riot than any of the window-smashing and church-burning that occurred in the summer ….”

    On the contrary, it WAS “less a riot,” AFAIK:
    Fewer windows were smashed
    No fire-setting was attempted,
    Fewer objects were hurled at the cops
    Cops were less spat upon and kicked.
    Bystanders and passing cars were not attacked.
    Shots weren’t fired (by protesters).

    It was predictable that rioting would occur if the grievances of the election-protesters were not given a fair hearing. It was very unstatesmanlike to deny them their—so to speak—day in court, especially in light of their large numbers and high passion. It was very unwise to give the Deplorables a reason to consider the state illegitimate. That our “clerisy” thinks it can carry on in this fashion, dismissing objectors with the back of its hand and telling them to Move On, is an indication of its profound immaturity—and its out-of-touchness. (It seems to be living in the Fifties, when the public trusted mainstream institutions to have its interests at heart and not to be actively evil.)

    The clerisy’s arguments that objectors are trying to “overturn the results of the election” assumes what it tries to prove—i.e., it begs the question, Were the so-called “results of the election” really the results of the election?

    Rudy Guiliani said recently, “It’s perfectly reasonable and fair for us to ask for 10 days. Who hides evidence? Criminals hide evidence…. If we’re wrong we look like fools.”

    If the accept-the-results Consensus is correct in thinking that Trump’s claims are preposterous or toxic, it should air them before the nation and expose their foolishness. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, it’s been said. So let’s let it do its work and we’ll be one happy family again—or at least a happier one.

    Choir-member Lynn Cheney disagrees. She just said that reviewing the results of voting would set a bad precedent. On the contrary, voting-results-review is a badly needed reform. No close election’s results should be accepted until a review-panel has heard and evaluated the losers’ objections to the way it was conducted. This would discourage voting fraud, increase the legitimacy of the winners, and diminish social divisiveness. The current set-up, whereby precincts’ vote-counts are rubber-stamped by the local secretary of state, incentivizes dishonesty and creates a festering boil of resentment and alienation that impairs and discredits democracy.

    PS: I may have been unjust to our clerisy. It probably feels that it would be dangerous to allow an Electoral Commission to possibly find that cheating gave the election to Biden, as it would result in massive rioting by Biden’s supporters. So it thinks it’s being statesmanlike. But if Congress can be cowed by the threat of violence, that means that force rules, not consent, and we therefore ought to abandon the attempt to govern the nation by voting, and resort to gladiatorial contests instead. Or adopt massive decentralization.

    Here are 27 photos of the capitol Hill Riot by Buzzfeed:
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjb1M3T_ojuAhWLCjQIHcMeB1AQFjADegQIAxAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.buzzfeed.com%2Fmjs538%2Fcapitol-hill-trump&usg=AOvVaw2mgXUzUAH7hkZ5mdljOlHL

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    PeterS

    Let’s face it. Congress with the support of many Republicans will elect Biden as the POTUS. What Trump does next is up to him.

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    Tilba Tilba

    VP Mike Pence has just declared Joe Biden President … not President-Elect, but President, to be sworn in on 20 January.

    It would be good for the whole nation (bigly) if Donald Trump now conceded to Biden, wished him well, and retired gracefully.

    Anything less is pug-ugly. And dangerous – as we saw today. We’ll see.

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    Tilba Tilba

    Donald Trump has just made a statement to say that there would be an orderly transition on 20 January … he really had no other options.

    Those with fever dreams about the Insurrection Act or Martial Law might need to look elsewhere … perhaps consider Argentina or Iraq or Zimbabwe.

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    Tilba Tilba

    What is the most concerning about this is the number of so called Republicans who have sided with the Democrats to steal the election. How long before the CCP tells the US to cut Australia adrift and destroy our economy so they can march in at will.

    This is utter fever-dream nonsense … we are a huge two-way trading partner with China – we both benefit. The US could sink into the sea tomorrow and our relationship with China could continue uninterrupted … and in fact it might well be better.

    And the CCP does not “tell” the US to do anything. Get real.

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      GD

      fever-dream nonsense

      Check out this video of a Chinese professor telling a large audience just how China influences US government policy.

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      Lucky

      The peculiar opinions above-

      The CCP is certainly telling Australia what to do, stop all criticism, no movement in Chinese waters (ie anywhere) without permission, accept blame for virus and Afgan deaths etc..

      Trade, we sell agricultural products, minerals, universities, ports and politicians. They sell us trinkets, solar panels and other unreliable generating equipment with which to wipe out our industries.

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