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Big news coming tomorrow: watch this space

All the info later on Sunday Australia time, first thing in the morning for most of the world. Just in time for the IPCC report Monday. Do come back. :- )

This will be the unthreaded line til then.

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    Don B

    I am hoping the surprise will be long awaited information concerning the solar model.

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      sophocles

      Hope on.
      The continuing existence of the IPCC is wholly dependent on their continuing rejection of the entire Solar Model. It threatens their very existence, Any different paradigm which does that, and that means the real Solar Model, will be resisted to the utmost. We can guarantee it.

      They will remain supremely confident in their own propaganda. What will be interesting is how they slant that.

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    Greg Cavanagh

    Or the release of Micheal Mann’s emails from the university.

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    Mal

    I started to have a battle of wits with a warmest true believer. Then I realised he was only half prepared.

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    John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia

    Australia will win a Rugby Test.

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    NB

    Brett Cavanaugh elected to IPCC.
    IPCC changes name to International Panel for Coal Consumption.
    Fusion works! (Oh, in 15 years, or was that 50 years. Whoops.)
    Nobel prize for physics announced for developments in fission reactors.
    Obama to present Nobel peace prize to Trump and Kim Jong Un.
    President Xi enforces international copyright law, and points out location of embedded microchips in 20 billion devices.
    EU decides to focus on free trade, slashes regulatory bodies.
    Pigs fly.

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    OK. None of the above, but I’m loving the suggestions. Keep them coming…

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      Roy Hogue

      All right, I’ll bite…

      Joanne Nova appointed Secretary General of the United Nations

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        Julian Feltcher

        Just dropped by to see if the deniers have woken up and all I see is grown men doting on JoNova’s every word, how sad LOL!

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          Mark M

          “Just dropped by to see if the deniers have woken up …”

          Who denies the benefits of CO2 as noted by NASA?

          https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

          Try again, darling.

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            Julian Feltcher

            Darling? looks like a hard line conservative blog has a few alt types in their ranks oh no!

            To most here an IPCC report that’s handed down from ACTUAL scientific work from ACTUAL scientists will be ridiculed and ignored by the dregs of academia, face it most here are too old to accept any new ideas or change in their lives let alone one that affects the world.

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              Mark M

              You say “denier”, I say “darling”.

              Quite so.

              “To most here an IPCC report that’s handed down from ACTUAL scientific work from ACTUAL scientists …”

              Guess Julian didn’t't get the memo.

              Don’t fret, champ, the expendable are always the last to know:

              “The head of the UN’s climate change panel has defended the use of unproven science to justify climate change by saying the “grey literature” cannot be ignored.”

              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/7725266/Climate-body-chief-defends-use-of-grey-literature.html

              ” … face it most here are too old to accept any new ideas”

              Perhaps it is the new who have not seen the old ideas regurgitated:

              1989: U.N. PREDICTS DISASTER (by 2000) IF GLOBAL WARMING NOT CHECKED

              http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1989/U-N-Predicts-Disaster-if-Global-Warming-Not-Checked/id-bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

              Good luck with your failed doomsday.

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              Roy Hogue

              Julian,

              You seem to be in some distress. You’re welcome to drop back out again if you don’t like what you see. I’m sure Jo wouldn’t mind. Or you could give some thought to the past umpteen years of global warming hysteria and ask yourself, what real evidence is there to support it?

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              el gordo

              You sir are under a misconception.

              CO2 does not cause global warming and as a consequence global cooling has begun, so we have to unravel this mess you helped create.

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              Mary E

              Julian – If I understand the process, and if you are speaking of the report for policy makers, the released “report” is not the scientific (heh) report, but the report that claims to explain things in easy terms for policy makers – it is a layman’s short-version without the caveats and error-bars written by (mostly) laymen and vetted by policy makers before publication – which is what the carnival in Korea was about, vetting the report.

              It wasn’t, and isn’t, science. It’s barely based on science.

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              Latus Dextro

              …are too old to accept any new ideas or change in their lives let alone one that affects the world…

              Clothing your litany of judgemental ad hominems, SOP of eco-Marxist globalists, in a thinly clad see-through gossamer of “ideas” and “change” is as intellectually bankrupt as it is transparently ideological.

              Hussein promised “change” and America never asked exactly what. The social and political division, inequity, inequality, and exclusion wrought by the Rainbow Cult has nearly wrecked the country as it has the West. The battle lines are now clearly visible, no longer concealed by a fog of political correctness and Alinsky enculturation. The Lefts hijacking of the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation process leaves most in little doubt what is afoot.

              When the choices are clear, the Left unfailingly and inevitably loses.
              The withering climatism charade is a good example.

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              William

              “ACTUAL scientific work from ACTUAL scientists”

              No Julian, sadly not the case. What the IPCC puts out is science by committee.

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              James Poulos

              Julian, I think you are most welcome to return any time – certainly increases Jo’s hits as opposed to SKS – oh dear SKS only had one comment this week…

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              Julian, you think it’s “men doting” but grown-ups call it satire.

              You think they are serious?

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              yarpos

              Seen and dealt with a lot more change than you have in your (guessing mental age) 15 years.

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          Yonniestone

          Oh yes we all love and worship our goddess Nova,

          I have constructed an idol in her image from my belly button lint and moulded it with the tears of my recursive fury!

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          James Murphy

          Thanks for the laugh, “Julian”, I needed it.
          Here’s hoping you recover from your obvious mental distress, and regain some perspective soon – or at least the ability to present cogent, reasoned arguments supported by evidence. Get well soon.

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          Annie

          Ah, Julian! I see you’ve been given a Sunday Troll duty! :)

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          yarpos

          Somebody has to wake up Julian, alarministas such as you never will. Its funny to hear attenpts at insults based on hero worship coming from the lovers of Gore, Musk, Man et al.

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          David Maddison

          Julian Feltcher, you are among learned people here. How pathetic you and your anti-science beliefs are.

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          NB

          Soy boys cheer as grown men declared helots.

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          Leo Morgan

          Ladies and Gentlemen, here you see the distinctive marker of the leftist.

          Like Julian, every leftist thinks the important issue is who said a thing, rather than what was said.

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    Mal

    Al Gores IQ has reached 85

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    James Poulos

    The Griss is back?

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    Ruairi

    I too will try to assess,
    What topic Joanne will address,
    Perchance would it be,
    From the N.I.P.C.C.,
    A report, but it’s only a guess?

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    Mark M

    Oh dear.

    97% ‘science’, unsettled.

    “During the Ordovician period, the concentration of CO2 in Earth’s atmosphere was about eight times higher than today.

    It has been hard to explain why the climate cooled and why the Ordovician glaciations took place”

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160707101029.htm

    via https://www.iceagenow.info/ice-age-occurred-co2-levels-800-percent-higher-now/

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    Yonniestone

    You will be pleased to hear I’m having a Bathurst 1000 BBQ to celebrate the internal combustion engine and people who can drive stupid-fast cars at stupid speeds, may your chariots remain intact along with your lives to the finish line.

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      Dennis

      A few years ago my son was gifted a V8 Supercar drive at a Sydney track, his instructor was a CAMS licenced serving NSWHP Officer sergeant. The group were lectured on safety and general driving instruction and asked if they could drive a manual transmission, and warned that if they said yes and couldn’t they would forfeit their drive. Automatic transmission option was available.

      My son chose the manual transmission and was taken for a couple of laps driving under instruction while his driving ability and skills were assessed, and then given permission to go for it. The instructor commented from time to time (advice) but did not interfere or call for a slowdown. After some very high-speed laps the driver was greatly impressed with the handling dynamics and speed, and how easy it was to drive when the correct lines and braking/gear changing were achieved. He said to me to imagine driving down a street at 160 kmh and turning hard right into another street without braking and the car sticks to the road like glue.

      Afterwards the instructor asked him what he drives day to day, answer at that time: a Pajero 4WD.

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        Yonniestone

        What an experience that would be, I think driving an F1 car would be a great challenge, the movie Rush gave great insights into the preparation behind the scenes.

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        Another Ian

        On downforce – from a recent Classic and Sports Car magazine

        Ford Capri Zakspeed Turbo Group 5 generated enough downforce that “at 250 km/h it could have been driven on the ceiling – or climbed the wall”

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        yarpos

        Sort of related , I was once treated to a fast lap with Jim Richards as part of a corporate plonker drive day. We were approaching a corner , and I thought gee he is leaving the braking a bit late (we had been driving the track through the day in other cars). By the time my brain was saying “a bit late” , we were going through the corner flat out. OK then, no braking point there at all then. Its an interesting experience going with someone who can actually drive.

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    Roy Hogue

    This is off topic but then all of this is apparently off topic until tomorrow so I’m proud to announce that about 20 minutes ago the United States Senate voted to Confirm Brett Kavananaugh as associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court.

    I remain ashamed of the behavior of some of my fellow Americans and a large part of the senate. This was political circus at its worst. But this speech by Senator Susan Collins will be my choice to down in history alongside that of Patrick Henry on March 23, 1775 as one of the most important all time speeches up to now. She was the only one who dared to stand up and show the whole world what honesty and integrity are like under pressure. She spoke almost 45 minutes during which I was dumbfounde by her thoroughness and fearlessness as she laid out the whole case for Kavanaugh and the case against his opposition.

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      Dennis

      The Socialist Democrat far-left have revealed themselves to be traitors and hopefully have reinforced President Trump’s message to patriotic Americans why it is necessary to make America great again, just how far the mob have dragged the nation down.

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        Latus Dextro

        Now America is restoring its dignity and place in the World, together with its industrial might and creativity and further, taking steps to safeguard these militarily, diplomatically and legally, the Left daily exposes its rancid ideology of post-modern secular neo-Marxism, allowing us all a glimpse into the abyss it routinely inhabits.

        Senator Collins speech echoed around the World. It will serve to underscore the growing gulf between globalist ideology and US liberty and prosperity.
        In Oceania, it is well past time to rid ourselves of the globalist shackles, political correctness and identity politics.

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        Dennis

        The situation in Australia is similar and there are many examples of crimes being ignored or covered up via political interference and/or partisan judiciary and other sections of government appointed public service.

        There have been police fraud squad investigations in Western Australia and Victoria into a union slush fund and monies extracted from a construction company that took place over 20 years ago. Both police investigations were shut down. A second investigation by VicPol spanning several years was shut down after the present state government was elected. Following several years of private investigation and investigative reporting, including publishing on line of documentary evidence that could not be disputed in a court of law, and former police detectives who worked on police investigations, now members of the privately funded and volunteers investigation team, a private court proceedings will be registered soon. One former detective sergeant who was in charge of the WAPol fraud investigation claims that his operation was shut down because of political interference.

        The people of interest to investigators include a former prime minister and a serving opposition leader as named many times on line.

        All of this can be found at Michael Smith News website.

        Consider too the implementation of UN Treaties with the Australian Constitutional Law being ignored. And the latest discovery that the proposed National Energy Guarantee contains a clause that attempts to quarantine politicians from prosecution for ignoring constitutional law. TdeF has posted many times here about the theft that the RET represents, another example of Australia’s “Swamp”.

        Americans are arguably Australia’s closest allies and President Trump has acknowledged this. Yet members of federal cabinet including the now former prime minister were critical of the POTUS and sided with his political enemies. The Australian Government has signed and ratified the UN IPCC Paris Agreement and in November 2016 sent a cabinet minister to New York to ratify it in defiance of President Trump’s announcement that the US would withdraw from that Agreement. President Trump is critical of socialism and globalism and has pointed out their unacceptable objectives that include interfering into the internal affairs of UN member nations and sovereignty.

        Is it therefore a surprise that President Trump has not yet appointed a replacement Ambassador here?

        Our situation is worse than too many Australians know about. There is no longer a two clearly defined party choice for government, Labor and Liberal with Labor supported by the Greens and Liberal in Coalition with the Nationals. The now former prime minister almost succeeded in achieving his long term goal of getting rid of the Nationals and conservative Liberals (Menzies Australian Liberals) and then merging the LibLabs with Labor to form a permanently governing alliance party. His other goal was for Australia to become a republic. And that too had a hidden purpose which was to change the Constitution which he believes is a badly flawed document created by not very astute people. And then, the ultimate goal was globalism and one world government UN. No more sovereign nations. All much in line with the American based globalism agenda that President Trump is tackling.

        All masked by compliant ABC/MSM and too few media members prepared to expose what is underway. Even that union slush fund matter has been avoided by them, with a few notable exceptions that includes Murdoch Newspaper Group journalists and 2GB Radio Sydney, and of course Michael Smith who has a military, police and journalism background who was forced to resign from Radio 2UE Sydney when, armed with legal advice, he was preparing to go on air and expose the slush fund affair when management ordered him to stop. And soon afterwards Michael Smith News website began and a now several year new investigation involving many members of the legal profession as volunteer advisors and commentators, and others who have supported him.

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          Dennis

          In moderation!!!!!

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          Dennis

          This goes with my in moderation comment;

          Hidden in the current Foreign Interference legislation before Parliament is additional legislation that should be of concern to all Australians. It changes Treason offences against our Country. It seeks to change the definition of treachery and “modernise it”. Politicians that undermine the Constitution of the Commonwealth by using illegal lawmaking will no longer able to be prosecuted by law after it is passed. The Attorney’s General Department is simply using Foreign Interference to rush this “modernised” treachery legislation through our Parliament.
          According to the Department of Attorney General website under TREASON TREACHERY and OFFENCES against the GOVERNMENT new changes are being proposed to existing legislation.
          “The existing offence of treason in the Criminal Code does not refer to modern international terminology relating to armed conflict. Existing offences for treachery and offences designed to protect the security and defence of the Commonwealth under Part II of the Crimes Act are archaic and outdated. Although rarely used, these offences are a critical part of Commonwealth criminal law and are being updated to appropriately reflect the modern Australian context.”

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            robert rosicka

            If true Dennis this is of great concern and needs to be addressed by the media and other political parties , mind you most pollies would like having socialist controls .

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              Dennis

              My in moderation comment enlarges the picture Robert.

              Yes, I agree with you that the current crop of politicians in the majority appear to embrace socialism and globalism.

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      Sambar

      Eloquent, well researched and without fear, what a marvelous presentation by Sen Susan Collins. Worth listening to just to see how politicians of any party should behave.
      No sniping, no point scoring just what appear to be well researched facts.

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      Annie

      Will continue to listen to this speech later…much impressed so far.

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      OriginalSteve

      Roy, the Left greatly fear Roe vs Wade being overturned, which is why they are fighting tooth and nail to keep abortion clinics open……from a Christian perspective, I see similarities with the Left and what is written in the Bible about children and Molech, so I shake my head….

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      PeterS

      If only we had the same sort of good news here in Australia. We need to step up the fight against he evil left before it’s too late and our nation crashes and burns under Shorten. The Wentworth by-election for example should be a resounding win for the new LNP under Morrison albeit still not being ideal but much better than under that leftist clown Turnbull. Instead the by-election is still doubtful. How sad Australian voters still don’t get it.

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      PeterS

      If only we had the same sort of good news here in Australia. We need to step up the fight against the evil left before it’s too late and our nation crashes and burns under Shorten. The Wentworth by-election for example should be a resounding win for the new LNP under Morrison albeit still not being ideal but much better than under that leftist Turnbull. Instead the by-election is still doubtful. How sad Australian voters still don’t get it.

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      Hanrahan

      Roy, Whenever the US “does the right thing” [which is not always the case] it is good for Australia. Even MAGA, which sounds selfish, is good for us because POTUS is doing the right thing on trade [among other things].

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    Robber

    A plan to lower electricity prices?
    Vic wholesale price in 2016 averaged $47/MWhr, but in 2017 that jumped to $92 after the closure of Hazelwood. In the 12 months to Sept 2018 the average according to AEMO is still $89, with Sept at $93.
    Interestingly, Qld averaged $68 in 2016, and in 2018 is still only averaging $71, but oddly averaged $103 in 2017 (Qld govt influence as the generators are state owned?)
    And of course the poster child for “free” wind SA averaged $80 in 2016, $106 in 2017, and for the 12 months to Sept 2018 the average is $96.
    Note that these wholesale prices exclude the impact of clean energy certificates that are given to “renewable” generators. (wind, solar, hydro). Those certificates are sold to retailers to meet their contribution to the renewable energy target, and the spot price is around $72/MWhr. That spot price is expected to drop as “renewables” generation is close to meeting the 23.5% share of market by 2020 under the RET.
    In Sept, wind provided 1.6 GW on average (range 0.4-3.2) and hydro 2 GW, for a total “renewables” share of 18%.
    Meanwhile in WA prices seem to continue to be around $60/MWhr.
    Gas prices continue to be around $8-9/GJ, up from $4 back in 2015, but ACCC reports prices for coming summer could jump to $15/GJ.

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      Another Ian

      A question re power and diesel consumption.

      I’ve just been up in the NT and that one station has an 85 kva alternator that runs 24/7 and a large diesel tank.

      And this is pretty similar with stations etc in the remote parts so there would be quite a few.

      Question is – is this use included in the official estimates?

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        Dennis

        I have driven extensively in the NT (and remote areas in other states) and noted that diesel generators are the main source of electricity, also observing the large number of fuel transport vehicles up to four trailers in length.

        With SA and now VIC using diesel generators to back up the electricity grid it’s no wonder that our strategic fuel reserves are so low, about two weeks I understand.

        I cannot answer your question but am interested in reading the answer.

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        I do not think any of the small diesels are counted. They do not even count the 3.9MW diesel at Cooper Pedy. When I went through there the locals said that the wind turbine hardly ever worked. It was still and the diesel working flat out. Seems they have added now a second wind turbine (maybe the old one has been retired-supposed total of 4MW) and 1MW of solar panels but the diesel is still required. Total cost of wind and solar with the diesel something like $0.48/kWhr which is more than the old diesel only cost. Seems locals are thinking of opting out and putting in their own system which would up the costs on the council owned system (guaranteed by SA gov.)

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          robert rosicka

          Pretty sure the locals spat it with both the govt and local council with many wanting their own stand alone systems but the power company insisted they all be hooked up to its supply .
          When we were there last year I believe the impasse had been broken and anyone could do their own system but had to be islanded from the grid .

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      yarpos

      Probaly a core please explain question to keep in mind. Why are the WA power prices low and stable, while eveything in the eastern States is the opposite? Lily “downward pressure” D’Ambrosio could probably spin it away with a look squirell!! announcement.

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        alas. WA wholesale prices are low but our retail is the same as the East. 28c/Kwh.

        The WA govt saw that there were no protests in the street in SA and figured that they could get away with jacking up the prices to the same level as NSW/Vic to help pay off state debt.

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    PeterS

    A new blog format that will allow us to edit our posts?

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        el gordo

        There has also been talk that large wind farms slow down the earth’s rotation, but from my research I found the theory unfeasible.

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          Dennis

          Isn’t that why large sailing ships were replaced with steam power?

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            Roy Hogue

            My understanding of fluid dynamics and friction in fluids is less than perfect for sure. But it makes sense to me that anything like ocean currents and wind are converting part of the Earth’s rotational momentum into heat — kinetic energy —> heat. And that energy transfer must necessarily slow the rotation of the planet.

            If I’m missing something please correct me. But I can’t see any other way for it to work.

            My argument is simple. Without rotation would we have those currents and winds? Probably not, especially the ocean currents. Then there are the tides.

            Interesting question and no doubt more complex than my argument but I’ve thought about it a long time and the answer always comes back the same. Friction in the air or the water is slowing us gradually to a stop. I’ve no idea how to even guess at how long it will take and it my be asymptotic, never quite reaching a stop, just slowing a little bit more forever.

            Fortunately you and I will never see it.

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              el gordo

              My thinking is that our magnetic field holds a clue, here they are comparing Saturn with earth.

              https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2018/10/06/latest-insights-into-saturns-weird-magnetic-field-only-make-things-weirder/

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                Dennis

                Years ago I viewed a video produced by television programme in Mexico, 60 Minutes, regarding a national day of celebration and in the clear blue sky above were 4 objects, not aircraft, hovering. The Air Force sent jet fighters to investigate but the objects were too fast and disappeared, but came back hours later.

                The 60 Minutes programme asked viewers who had videoed the objects to send their tapes in, and hundreds were received from any different angles that enabled investigators to view the objects and computer enhance the images for a closer view. They appeared to pulsate or shimmer. It is a long story and fascinating.

                However near the end engineers from NASA were shown the images and they commented that the objects were powered by “field propulsion” – magnetic. And added that NASA has been trying to develop that power system for years.

                No speculation was made about the origin of the objects which could of course be from this planet.

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                el gordo

                They might be earthlings from the future, but I have no faith in that theory.

                The speed of these craft is beyond our present capacity to understand, but probably involves some kind of electro magnetism.

                The clue might be found in the crop circles.

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                el gordo

                We can produce magnetism with electric currents, so in some inexplicable way these craft are able to manipulate the curvature of space time. They are antigravity devices.

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                Roy Hogue

                If they move like something that has no mass then they are something that has no mass. And if they have no mass they are mere illusions, lights or reflections from the ground or the shadow of something on the cloud layer. But they cannot be aliens or anyone else manipulating anything.

                It’s easy to make some outlandish claim but quite another to substantiate it.

                I may write fantastic things in a story. But it’s fiction and pure fantasy. It only has life of the pages of the book or the movie screen and it’s of no benefit to try to incorporate it into you life.

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                Dennis

                Whatever the objects were 60 Minutes Mexico obtained hundreds of video images from people all around Mexico City, so many angles viewed.

                I had an experience in Queensland about ten years ago in the early evening dining with several other people sitting on a Queenslander style home back verandah. Neighbours called out to us to look up into the sky and there were four objects moving south to north at very high speed, and no sound, just four constant red lights in a one two one formation.

                About an hour later another four red lights passed overhead heading north.

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              Kinky Keith

              Hi Roy,

              Two things to think about.

              If we think about the Earth’s atmosphere, it is effectively held in place by Earth’s gravity.

              There should be No friction between the atmosphere and deep space.

              If the Sun was absent I can picture the atmosphere being very still.

              All the above is describing Earth without the Sun.

              If we insert the Sun into the picture we end up with continuous heating and cooling twice a day.

              I think Solar energy causes the wind and atmospheric turbulence.

              Sunrise and sunset are associated with winds.
              Night is usually much quieter.

              KK

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                Jonesy

                Almost right…think of another celestial body that affects the tide….That celestial body used to be a lot closer and orbited a lot faster…with tides higher and more often.

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                Kinky Keith

                Jonesy, and I call myself a scientist.
                Yes the moon obviously pulls the oceans up and must therefore have an influence on the atmosphere as well.

                It’s just that I had to ride my bike to school into the morning wind and into the afternoon one as well. It seemed to be mostly the Sun.

                KK

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                Roy Hogue

                KK,

                May I differ with you a little? Wind and ocean currents happen because of coriolis acceleration. And in the resulting wind there is turbulence, therefore friction which creates heat and some of the energy in that wind necessarily comes from rotation of the planet and is converted to heat by the turbulence.

                Ocean currents are a similar thing with (maybe) a more obvious mechanism. But in both cases I can’t see how some of earth’s momentum is not converted to heat.

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                As simple as I can make it: The moon doesn’t pull on anything to cause the tides. The earth and moon are a binary pair that rotate together around their common center of mass. That center of mass is inside the planet because Earth is far more massive than the moon but it can’t be at earth’s center as a matter of basic mechanics. And the planet rotates on its polar axis as well as moving with the moon around that common center of mass. The direction down is always toward that common center of mass because again, it can’t point anywhere else. And with the daily rotation the center of mass is moving inside the Earth and water is fluid and is always pulled to that moving center of mass. Hence high and low tides not once but twice a day. On both sides of the planet it’s downhill toward the center of mass. And water flows downhill.

                I have found a lot of explanations that are not this simple and not correct. Other gravitational forces also enter into it but the moon and the Earth are the dominant ones.

                If I had the means to make a simple animation I could show convincingly how it works. So far I haven’t found anyone’s convincing animation. But understanding simple vectors is all it takes.

                Let me know if you disagree. I’m an amateur at this stuff and willing to learn if you can show me what I missed.

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                Kinky Keith

                Hi Roy again,

                Without looking up the Coreolis effect it may coincide with my earlier comment about the regular origin of wind, the Sun.

                I hadn’t really considered the off centre, centre of mass for the dipole Earth/moon rotation but appreciate that it may have some influence.

                Tides in our area are about 7 hours between high and low, but that’s from old memory.

                I’m pretty sure that the moon is still the main tide influencer and you can see that possibility as it moves across the sky.

                High tides are on the near side facing the moon and also on the far side of the Earth directly in line. Low tides are perpendicular to the high tide axis and trail the moon by 90°.

                Now, must look up coreolis.

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                Kinky Keith

                Too early in the morning,

                The explanations I’m getting for Coriolis are more confusing than useful but the best one is related to the idea of the air peeling off the equator. I did hear about this at school or uni 50 years ago but not being a pilot it wasn’t a big focus at the time. It’s also claimed to create ocean currents.

                Obviously it does a good job in explaining hurricanes, typhoons and cyclones but the Sun is a Big mover.

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              theRealUniverse

              The force that drives the atmosphere and oceans circulation is the coreolis force. Planets with slow rotation, Venus, have less wind and slow circulation.

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                I understand that Venus has high velocity winds high in the atmosphere where pressures are similar to earth ie 100 to 10 kPa. Little sunlight gets through to the surface and the surface temperature is high due to the high pressure. At the surface the slow rotation only makes small changes.

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                theRealUniverse

                The joke on NASA is that if you do the math on the gas laws with the received radiation and atmosphere pressure on Venusian surface you get the surface temperature (~450C) without any greenhouse effect! And its all CO2 Man!

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        Latus Dextro

        PeterS …the lurking spectre of fake-news.

        Predictably, UNScientific American has spun the article to highlight alleged climate change. There is in fact tellingly, no mention of ‘climate change’ or ‘anthropogenic’ anything in the abstract or in the article highlights.

        I refer to the published abstract of the paper, here.

        The important bits (truncated abstract):

        Understanding the origins of this secular polar motion (SPM) has significance for modeling the global climate, as it provides a link to ice mass balance and sea-level rise. A perplexing issue, however, is that while glacial isostatic adjustment (GIA) models satisfactorily explain the direction of SPM, the associated prediction of the amplitude is insufficient.

        While the convection-driven SPM has considerable uncertainty, the average direction of 283 recent models aligns with the residual SPM (within), significantly reducing the gap between observation and prediction. We assert that one key mechanism for driving 20th century SPM is long-term mass movement due to mantle convection.

        The highlights are as follows:

        • Earth’s spin axis drifted along ∼74°W at a speed of ∼10.5 cm/yr during the 20th century.

        • Glacial isostatic adjustment (GIA) explains of the observed polar motion.

        Environmental processes plus GIA cannot fully reconcile the observation.

        Contribution from mantle convection (MC) is essential to close the budget.

        • Polar motion based joint GIA/MC inversion may help constrain lower mantle viscosity.

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        yarpos

        If we all keep rushing to one side, we will fall off the turtles. OMG! they thought climate change was a crisis.

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    Dave

    Jo will have her own show on SKY?

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    robert rosicka

    Going through some photos of our recent outback trip and came across some pics I took of the Stevenson screen at Wanaaring and noticed someone has placed stones on the top of the unit ,
    Also a lot going on around the screen that would effect the operation .

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      aussiepete

      I will keep a lookout for reports of unprecedented nighttime warming in Wanaaring.

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      Another Ian

      Souvenirs from Flannery’s hot rocks project?

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        robert rosicka

        As long as they don’t use this site to Homogenise other sites , Hungerford is about a 100 or so kilometres to the north and the shop owner pumping fuel made the comment ahh your heading up where summer is .
        So there is obviously a big difference in climate even though so close .

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    6 Oct: GatestoneInstitute: ACLU’s Opposition to Kavanaugh Sounds Its Death Knell
    by Alan M. Dershowitz
    ◾So why did the American Civil Liberties Union oppose a Republican nominee to the Supreme Court and argue for a presumption of guilt regarding sexual allegations directed against that judicial nominee? The answer is as clear as it is simple. It is all about pleasing the donors. The ACLU used to be cash poor but principle-rich. Now, ironically, after Trump taking office, the ACLU has never become so cash-rich, yet principle-poor.

    ◾The problem is that most of the money is not coming from civil libertarians who care about free speech, due process, the rights of the accused and defending the unpopular. It is coming from radical leftists in Hollywood, Silicon Valley and other areas not known for a deep commitment to civil liberties…

    ◾When the ACLU’s national political director and former Democratic Party operative Faiz Shakir was asked why the ACLU got involved in the Kavanaugh confirmation fight, he freely admitted, “People have funded us and I think they expect a return.”…

    Now that Brett Kavanaugh has been confirmed, it is appropriate to look at the damage caused by the highly partisan confirmation process. Among the casualties has been an organization I have long admired…
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13087/aclu-opposition-to-kavanaugh-sounds-its-death

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      4 Oct: Youtube: 2min41secs: Former ACLU VP: ACLU has been ‘hijacked’ by left
      ACLU under fire for sponsoring ad comparing Judge Brett Kavanaugh to Bill Cosby; former ACLU vice president Michael Meyers speaks out on ‘Hannity.’…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTR2itXFU38

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      Roy Hogue

      Sounds about right. Money can buy you anything except an honest man. And the ACLU has been only a pretense of what they say they are for a long time, far longer than the Kavanaugh circus by many years. Their version of civil rights is called social justice, by which they mean that if I have something and you don’t, what I have should be taken from me and given to you in compensation for my having stolen it from you.

      They filled their coffers even while losing the battle and so they will go on into the future spreading everything but civil liberties. How can they lose? Only honest lawmakers, judges and juries can do anything.

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    American unemployment figures back to 1969 levels , go Trump .

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    RickWill

    Minister for Communications and the Arts has announced Jo Nova* has been appointed to the board of the ABC to replace the position recently vacated by Justin Milne. Jo brings a wealth of experience to the board. She has professional qualification in both science and communications and operates the most successful news and science website in Australia.

    *email coming Rick – J.

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    Greebo

    Peta Credlin appointed CEO of the ABC.

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    6 Oct: Guardian: Wentworth byelection: John Hewson says seat ‘ripe for protest vote’
    Former Liberal leader suggests a loss for the party might alter government’s thinking on climate change
    PHOTO CAPTION: John Hewson addresses Stop Adani activists campaigning in Bondi on Saturday, ahead of the Wentworth byelection.
    by Luke Henriques-Gomes
    Hewson said the Wentworth electorate, considered progressive on environmental and social issues, wanted “a decisive emissions strategy, they want a transition from coal and fossil fuels to renewables”…

    Sharma has said he believes anthropogenic climate change is real and needs addressing…
    He said on Saturday: “If I’m elected on 20 October, I will be a strong voice in government ensuring that we met our international commitments.
    “Better use of technology can help us to both meet our emissions reduction targets and improve energy affordability and security.”

    (Kerryn) Phelps said she was “delighted” by Hewson’s comments.
    “People are sick of inaction by governments and the Liberals have been paralysed on this for about a decade or more, ***and the Labor policy doesn’t go far enough,” she told Guardian Australia.
    Simon Fosterling, a Stop Adani campaigner and Bondi surf lifesaver, said on Saturday Wentworth voters wanted “an MP who will put the community and the future of our kids before coal companies like Adani”…
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/06/wentworth-byelection-john-hewson-says-seat-ripe-for-protest-vote

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    Greebo

    Something weird going on with the blog software. I posted #32 and it wound up #23 Very odd.

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    robert rosicka

    Brilliant sea level change indicator , well done ABC for showing it but do they realise it means the sea levels have changed before man first started an SUV .

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-07/wa-coastline-transformed-by-sea-levels-over-thousands-of-years/10338500

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      el gordo

      Very exciting, this is a terrific tool to reeducate the masses on the cyclic nature of climate change.

      ‘Similar methods of mapping and modelling can be applied not only to look into the past, but also to provide state-of-the-art predictions of what sea levels and shorelines might look like hundreds and even thousands of years into the future.’

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      Greg in NZ

      r r, I stumbled across the same article searching for ‘ABC + Sydney + Rain’ coz, like, y’know, it’s raining in NSW – unprecedented! However, the AlphaBetaCrapa News had the same sea level pic (reconstruction) for 125,000 years ago as today. So, according to their ex-pert models, the sea comes up, then back down, then back up again… ad infinitum. Hmmm, there could be something in that.

      As for Big News Tomorrow – the UNIPCCrap announces it was all a joke – they woz jes trickin’ us!

      https://www.metservice.com/mountain/southern-lakes

      Tue. Snow to 1,200 m.
      Wed. Heavy snow to 400m.
      Thur. Snow to 400m. Gale westerlies turning southerly.

      The Endless Winter continues in New Zealand…

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        theRealUniverse

        Saw there was a rattle, (mag 5.2 geonet) 30km Nth of Milford Sound.
        Yep SI NZ snow all summer..

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        el gordo

        Its also unusually cool in south east Australia and later in the week north Queensland will be receiving cool north-easterly winds. I feel this is the long awaited tipping point.

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      John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia

      Australian sea levels were up to 2m higher from about 8/7,000 to 2,000 years BP before falling to our present sea level. I didn’t see that represented. Another inconvenient fact for alarmists when atmospheric CO2 was supposedly in the 255-275ppm range.

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      robert rosicka

      And then I find this which conflicts with the main story , don’t think they read white they print .

      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-23/rising-seas-displace-millions-people-australia-must-be-ready/10155636

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      Amazing that this basic truth is seeping through. A glint of reform at the ABC? Normally you can talk about last week or the Paleozoic…but the climatariat wants all away from the changes of the last few bits of our geological period. Lest we draw obvious conclusions.

      Science is supposed to be the province of “Julians”…yet try telling a “Julian” about the realities of recent geological times. This present interglacial is not the warmest of recent ones, and this warming blip within our present interglacial is not all that warm.

      Essentially, those who talk climate change conceal climate change. Which is odd, to say the least. And frustrating. Very frustrating.

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    TdeF

    I am amazed that former Liberal leader John Hewson, the man who lost the unlosable election with his complete lack of understanding of the GST, should demand Liberal voters toss out the Liberals in Wentworth. All because it affects his solar business based on made up Climate Change.

    Where Mark Latham has written brilliantly in the Spectator and appears to have become a real conservative with an entertaining parody of leftist extremism as with Turnbull and Pyne and friends, Hewson is going far left, the mortal enemy of the Liberals. John Hewson. How low can you go? It shows that a PhD in economics does not make you clever.

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      Kinky Keith

      I’m chronically reminded of John Hewsons lack of self awareness when he speaks about wind turbines and global warming.

      In any other work situation outside of politics he would not have been able to function.

      KK

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    comment in moderation re:

    6 Oct: Guardian: Wentworth byelection: John Hewson says seat ‘ripe for protest vote’
    Former Liberal leader suggests a loss for the party might alter government’s thinking on climate change

    30 Sept: Luxembourg Times: Luxembourg among global leaders for green finance
    Global Green Finance Index places Grand Duchy among most ‘green’ financial centres
    by Roxana Mironescu
    Luxembourg is building a global reputation as a green finance centre, ranking among the world’s top performers, according to the latest Global Green Finance Index (GCFI 2).
    The Grand Duchy’s offering in green finance matches that of London but comes behind the infrastructure available in Amsterdam and Copenhagen.
    CHART: GGFI 2 RANKS AND RATINGS…
    https://luxtimes.lu/economics/35124-luxembourg-among-global-leaders-for-green-finance

    30 Sept: China Daily: China Construction Bank’s first overseas green bond listed in Luxembourg
    LUXEMBOURG – The first overseas green bonds with total value of 500 million euros ($581 million) issued by China Construction Bank(CCB) have been formally listed on the Luxembourg Green Stock Exchange this weekend.

    Luxembourg Finance Minister Pierre Gramegna, Chinese Ambassador to Luxembourg Huang Changqing, Luxembourg Stock Exchange CEO Robert Scharfe and CCB Europe Chairman Peng Gang all attended the opening ceremony on Friday.

    In his speech, Gramegna said that in the field of green finance, China is a global leader while Luxembourg has all the forces and know-how it needs in the development of green financial markets. He stressed that China Construction Bank and the Luxembourg exchange should continue to cooperate and together become a pioneer in the field of green finance…
    Currently, more than 50 percent of the world’s green bonds are listed on the Luxembourg Green Exchange.
    http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201809/30/WS5bb024e4a310eff30328059e.html

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    2 comments in moderation.

    lol.

    6 Oct: Guardian: How a homophobic, misogynist, racist ‘thing’ could be Brazil’s next president
    Jair Bolsonaro is the monstrous product of the country’s silence about the crimes committed by its former dictatorship
    by ***Eliane Brum
    (Eliane Brum is a Brazilian journalist, writer and documentary maker. This article was translated by Diane Grosklaus Whitty)
    Many people in Brazil cannot bring themselves to utter the name of the rightwing extremist expected to win the first round of voting in the country’s presidential election on Sunday. On social networks, the former army officer Jair Bolsonaro is often referred to simply as “the thing”…
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/06/homophobic-mismogynist-racist-brazil-jair-bolsonaro

    the writer/Guardian:

    12 Sept: Pulitzer Center Launches Rainforest Journalism Fund at Global Climate Action Summit (San Francisco)
    by Jeff Barrus
    The Fund is supported by a five-year, $5.5 million grant from the Norwegian International Climate and Forest Initiative…

    Jon Watts, global environmental editor at The ***Guardian, is chairing the Fund’s newly established Amazon advisory committee…
    Watts was joined on stage by Amazon advisory committee member ***Eliane Brum, a Brazilian journalist and filmmaker who was recently named “best columnist” by Comunique-se, and who has dedicated her career to reporting in the Amazon region. Brum stressed the importance of the Amazon in fighting the effects of climate change…
    https://pulitzercenter.org/blog/pulitzer-center-launches-rainforest-journalism-fund-global-climate-action-summit

    Ronaldinho endorses far-right Brazil presidential candidate
    Washington Post – 36mins ago
    The former Brazil and Barcelona star posted a picture in his social media channels wearing a shirt in support of Jair Bolsonaro…

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    pat

    FakeNewsGuardian – best picture available online that I have found – 3,000??? perhaps a bit more!

    7 Oct: Guardian: AFP: Thousands of anti-coal protesters celebrate German forest’s reprieve
    PHOTO CAPTION: Organisers said 50,000 people celebrated the unexpected court victory that halted the woodland’s destruction

    Organisers said 50,000 people had turned out for what they called the region’s “biggest ever anti-coal rally”. Police did not confirm the figure…
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/06/thousands-of-anti-coal-protesters-celebrate-german-forests-reprieve

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      There may well be a case for preserving the woodland (yeah, I’m one of them) but two things are not making sense here.

      First, the Guardinistas are identifying preservation of woodland with opposing coal as if the two made one issue (so it would be okay to hack if it was for whirlygigs?).

      Secondly, the article exposes the fact that Germany, despite the absurdity of solar panels at 50+ degrees N, has been expanding its coal at all ends while posturing as a world leader in renewables (which is why the EU trough-slurpers keep the carbon price in the toilet). This Energiewende myth has been circulated by the very luvvies who are all for hambibleibt. Huh?

      Of course, as a coal producer we need to learn from German hypocrisy, not condemn it.

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    theRealUniverse

    Twiddles thumbs in anticipation…..

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    6 Oct: OilPrice: Coal Use Rises As Renewables Fall In U.S. Electricity Generation
    By Ron Patterson
    The EIA released the latest edition of their Electric Power Monthly (LINK) on September 25th, with data for July 2018. The table above shows the percentage contribution of the main fuel sources to two decimal places for the last two months and the year to date.

    For the month of July, the total amount of electricity generated was the second highest amount generated for any single month since January 2013 at 410,148 GWh, 2,302 GWh less than the amount generated in July 2016. Coal and Natural Gas fueled almost 68.5 percent of US electricity generation in July and while the contribution from Coal increased from 27.36 percent in June to 28.18 percent in July, the contribution from Natural Gas also increased by slightly more than five percentage points, reaching an unprecedented 40.28 percent up from 35.02 percent in June. Nuclear power generated 72,456 GWh, 3.97 percent more than it did in June but, due to the increase in total generation, the percentage contribution to the total actually declined to 17.67 percent from 18.77 percent in June.

    In July, the contribution from All Renewables at 13.01 percent fell further below that from Nuclear at 17.67 percent, similar to July 2017 when the ramp up of total generation resulted in the percentage contribution from All Renewables falling further below that from Nuclear. The absolute contribution from Solar declined from it’s all time high in June of 10,880 GWh to 10,049 GWh, with the corresponding percentage contribution declining to 2.45 percent as opposed to 2.93 percent in June. The amount of electricity generated by Wind decreased by almost 35 percent, from 24,411 GWh to 15,897 GWh and coupled with the increased total generation, the percentage contribution declined from 6.58 percent to 3.88 percent in July. The contribution from Hydro decreased 13.53 percent from 27415 GWh in June to 23706 GWh, resulting in the percentage contribution decreasing from 7.39 percent in June to 5.78 percent. The combined contribution from Wind and Solar decreased to 6.33 percent from 9.51 percent in June. Consequently the contribution from Non-Hydro Renewables also decreased to 7.23 percent from 10.48 percent. The contribution of zero emission and carbon neutral sources, that is, nuclear, hydro, wind, solar, geothermal, landfill gas and other biomass decreased to 30.68 percent from 36.64 percent in June…
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Coal-Use-Rises-As-Renewables-Fall-In-US-Electricity-Generation.html

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    6 Oct: UK Telegraph: Coal plants set to generate highest profits in years as cost of gas spikes
    By Jillian Ambrose
    Britain will rely on its dwindling fleet of ageing coal-fired power plants as it prepares to face the coldest winter weather in a decade and the cost of gas hits new highs.
    The country’s seven remaining coal plants will be called on more than in previous winters because for the first time in years they are as economic to run as gas-fired power plants, even as global coal prices hit five-year highs.

    The cost of gas for this winter reached 10-year highs above 81 pence a therm last week, up by more than half from the previous winter when the average price was less than 50p a therm. The average wholesale gas price last month was the biggest percentage increase for two years, according to S&P Global…
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/10/06/coal-plants-set-generate-highest-profits-years-cost-gas-spikes/

    Door knockers heading your way today but are they welcome?
    Queensland Times-22 hours ago
    MORE than 1000 volunteers are taking part in a national doorknock this weekend in attempt to stop the Adani coal mine from being built in the Galilee Basin…

    6 Oct: MyWabashValley: Coal Festival Continues This Weekend
    by Sadie All
    DUGGER, IN – The population in Dugger more than tripled this weekend as close to three thousand come out for the Dugger Coal Festival.
    The festival is a celebration of the town’s rich coal mining history…

    “We also have a tram that is available to take you up to our Coal Museum which has quite a few items from past families, they have gifts to buy, little figurines made out of coal, very inexpensive. So I hope you come down and joins us here in Dugger Indiana today,” volunteer Debbie Heaton said.
    This is the 25th year for the festival. Organizers say the Dugger Fire Department, EMT’s and the Sullivan County Sheriff’s Department do a lot to help…
    https://www.mywabashvalley.com/news/coal-festival-continues-this-weekend/1503660998

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      robert rosicka

      Have a feeling they better stick to the inner city latte suburbs

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      yarpos

      “……………..even as global coal prices hit five-year highs”

      transition to renewables, death of coal, stranded assets blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blah

      they reject reality an insert their own la la land of wishful thinking

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    5 Oct: BayNews9: WEATHER BLOG: Some of Tampa’s ‘record highs’ caused by sensor error
    By Mike Clay
    In turns out the record highs you may have heard about for Tampa (International Airport weather station) were in error due to equipment problems with the sensors.
    The data has been adjusted in the official records (see below). We appreciate the Ruskin NWS office listening to our concerns about the data and the site location.

    We still believe the temperature sensor location, next to the highway and near new construction of parking lots and buildings, is giving an incorrect impression of the official Tampa temperature. But if the data is good from the sensor that is one big step in making sure the weather and climate records are accurate.

    It would be great if the weather station could be moved to a different location on airport grounds, but this is complicated and expensive. In a conference call with the TV meteorologists in Tampa Bay, the NWS office said they were still exploring alternatives and solutions to this so-called “Tampa Airport Heat Island” growth and urbanization has created…

    …PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT…
    Due to a malfunctioning temperature sensor unit within the Automated Surface Observing System (ASOS) at the Tampa International Airport (KTPA), erroneous temperature spikes were identified during the afternoons of September 29 through October 2, 2018. Therefore, maximum temperatures for these days have been calibrated down to values more representative of the area and the associated weather pattern. Updated Record Event Reports (MIARERTBW) and climate data have been disseminated in regard to these adjustments.

    RECORD EVENT REPORT…UPDATE…READ ON
    http://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/weather/2018/10/05/weather-blog–tampa–record-highs–caused-by-sensor-error?cid=share_fb?cid=share_email

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    6 Oct: UK Express: BBC Weather forecast: Temperatures to drop to 0C this weekend as POLAR air ravages Britain
    BBC Weather have warned Britain is on track for a dramatic 10C drop in temperatures as polar air splits the country in two over the weekend, bringing “widespread frost” in large areas.
    By Aurora Bosotti
    Thermometers in northern Britain will struggle to get over 2C on Sunday morning, with “widespread frost” expected to coat large areas of rural Scotland.
    Ms Willets said: “With the winds as well, temperatures 10C down from yesterday, It’s going to feel much colder. It will feel colder elsewhere even with the sunshine because we are in this band of chilly air at the moment, behind this weather front…
    ***Despite the cold weekend snap, long-range forecasts from the Met Office suggests October could be very hot before a colder front swoops in with freezing temperatures…

    Heading into November weather experts claimed we could then see temperatures reach lower than usual, especially overnight.
    Exacta Weather forecaster James Madden warned the UK could be hit by four months of snow: “November is looking like a mixed bag of weather this year and there are signs that amidst stormy weather will be the first proper snowfall, temperatures for the month are expected to possibly be below average.
    “All our long-range projections have been showing for quite some time that December is likely to be a colder than average month overall and we are expecting several widespread snowy periods early in the month.
    “The period between Christmas and New Year is looking interesting as there are likely to be some major low-pressure storm systems hitting the UK and these will clash with much colder air over the country bringing potentially crippling snowfalls and ice storms.”…
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1027681/BBC-Weather-forecast-news-today-weekend-polar-air-temperature-drop-Met-Office-latest

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    Dennis

    As people here would be aware the government has ordered Barracuda Submarines from France, a nuclear powered design with water pump jet propulsion. These will be redesigned for diesel-electric power for the RAN. They will cost five times as much as the German Submarine offered. The original front runner was a Japanese Submarine with convention diesel-electric power supported by the US supplying advanced technology for the RAN Submarines. Close to signing the contract, the Abbott Government favoured the Japanese-USA offer and, after all, both countries are Australia’s allies and a defence treaty was signed between them, similar to the ANZUS Treaty. So why EU subs and the most expensive of all?

    Andrew Bolt has questioned Defence Minister Freydenberg who waffles resulting in Bolt looking at him in disbelief.

    The reason for posting this here is the primary reason why the French subs were chosen: the RAN must operate in the Indian Ocean which is cooler???

    If so, what has that got to do with submarine operations, are there now special northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere ships? And therefore, why by from the northern hemisphere?

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      Dennis

      Correction: Minister Pyne.

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      Phillthegeek

      If so, what has that got to do with submarine operations, are there now special northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere ships?

      Pretty much. Wor to do with water temp and salinity. Designs are optimised for their likely areas of operation. Say we bought an A26 off the Swedes? Some mods needed as that designed for the Baltic.

      Japanese bid was the worst of the lot. Hull construction tech pretty much old school and the tech has moved on. They just launched one with no stirling and LIBs though.

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      You might find that the French had been persuaded to pull out of certain Russian contracts (though too late to stop Russia getting plans of the hardware) and dump to some chopper carriers meant for Russia in the specials bin for Egypt.

      Now, the French and the Thales-connected builder of the Barracudas expected a favour from NATO. Did NATO know any globalist automaton types with a history of doing favours for…I dunno…maybe I’ll have a light bulb moment.

      Well, the bad news is that the oiler subs are a woeful deal. The good news is that they don’t exist and probably won’t exist. Also, the borrowed money only exists when you have to pay some of it back, but if you borrow more non-existent money to pay back the money which never existed…

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    Blast of winter: Up to 2 feet of snow heads to US Rocky Mountains
    AccuWeather.com-5 Oct. 2018
    Small-scale storms have brought snow to parts of these regions already this season, including as recently as Friday…

    First snowfall of season recorded in Denver, earliest since 2012
    FOX31 Denver-6 hours ago

    Snow has started to hit Colorado’s mountains, and ski resorts are here for it
    The Known Outdoor – 5 Oct 2018

    Calgary just saw an ‘unprecedented’ amount of October snow
    Washington Post-3 Oct. 2018
    A major early-season snowstorm has left parts of southern Canada buried beneath up to two feet of snow…

    People Who Died in Snow Covered Highway Crash are Identified
    KVRR North Dakota – 6 Oct 2018
    Authorities have identified two people who died in a crash on a snow-covered highway in northwestern North Dakota…

    Kangra administration wants chopper to airdrop ration for shepherds trapped in Bara Bhangal
    About 100 shepherds with an estimated 7,000 livestock are trapped near 4,700 metre high Thamsar Pass on Bir-Bara Bhangal trek in Dhauladhar mountain range
    Hindustan Times – 3 Oct 2018
    The higher reaches in the state had witnessed early snowfall from September 22 to 24, besides cloudburst and floods…
    “Due to sudden and untimely snowfall over Dhauladhar ranges, some shepherds are unable to cross over towards Kangra valley. There is a possibility that they might have run out of their food stock,” Kangra deputy commissioner Sandeep Kumar wrote to the chief secretary BK Agarwal…

    can’t copy the following: massive rescue operation saved more than 4,000 people including tourists trapped in snow-hit places of the state (Himachal Pradesh). many lives were lost in the calamitous event and several others were trapped in four to five feet high snowfall. biggest ever counter disaster move. more National Disaster Response Force units to be set up, in case such a catastrophe occurs in the future:

    HP conducted biggest disaster rescue operation in state: CM
    United News of India – 1 Oct 2018
    http://www.uniindia.com/hp-conducted-biggest-disaster-rescue-operation-in-state-cm/states/news/1366599.html

    5 Oct: Forbes: Is There A Warming Temperature-Increased Snowfall Paradox?
    by Brian Brettschneider
    (Brian Brettschneider is a climate scientist in Anchorage Alaska. His PhD is in Environmental Geography with a focus in Climatology. He conducts climate research for the University of Alaska Fairbanks at the International Arctic Research Center and contributes climate and science stories to the Alaska Public Media Network (APRN). He is a sought after resource for station-based data within North America)

    Clearly, the overwhelming vast majority of the map is represented with orange and red dots. This means lower snow totals occur with warmer temperatures nearly everywhere…
    Only in very cold climates do we see areas where warmer winters have more snow. Here, the paradox works like it was envisioned…

    The warm winter-greater snowfall paradox seems to have worked out along the East Coast in recent years though; but has it really? The December-February temperate chart for Boston (below) shows the strong relationship between temperature and snowfall. Warmer winters mean less snow. There are always exceptions to the rule though.
    ***It just so happens that the biggest exceptions have occurred in recent years…
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbrettschneider/2018/10/06/is-there-a-warming-temperature-increased-snowfall-paradox/

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    TdeF

    The appointment of Judge Kavanagh to the US Supreme Court is a win against the odds of one of the most vicious smears in American history, totally without evidence or corroboration and everyone knew the purpose. What is amazing is that Kavanagh is an utterly fair and balanced judge without prejudices and therefore he was not acceptable to the Left of politics. Why?

    We get the same in the faux Climate science where really qualified scientists are howled down, fired, driven from the stage, people who get paid nothing for their honest and expert opinions. This by non science faux experts like Flannery and Gore and so many others who get their fame and earn their incomes from the 30 year old Climate crisis they promote.

    How is it possible that people who have no relevant science qualifications have a louder voice than superbly qualified people, that someone with no knowledge of meteorology can be Australia’s Climate Commissioner or where so many people with a clear conflict of interest can claim that they are experts in Climate. Even that climate has nothing to do with meteorology. It all beggars belief.

    So it is good to see an honest decent family man and very fair man survive some of the vilest accusations possible when everyone on both sides knew they were made up and why. He fought back. That was the defining moment. Plus the fight was taken to the world via the internet, particularly with Breitbart and against the might of the assembled media, including in this case, Fox news. So there is hope logic and truth will prevail. Great. The tide may be turning.

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      OriginalSteve

      I think any of the people who smeared Kavvanagh, without proof of thier claims, need to be legally taken to task for defamation, and that applies to any politician involved. Drag them out from thier rocks…..

      Some of the Democrats need to be pursued to the maximum penalty under law, and make exampkes of them. Its one thing to offer proof, its another to slander and get away with it. And they need to pursue these lefty jackals and deal with them uf they have done anything illegal, or the USA will be seen as allowing rule of law to collapse and letting anarcist Communists run amok.

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        Hanrahan

        And the chasm between the rabid “progressives” and the conservatives deepens. The left have absolutely no interest in whether the accusations are true or not, they claim that being a male it doesn’t matter, if he is innocent he just collateral damage.

        The demon-rats have taken the US another large step towards civil unrest in a population that has always shown a willingness to solve their differences at the point of a gun.

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          OriginalSteve

          Well here is the thing, and lets be real about this – if the rabid faction of the Left takes on the USA majority who are sick to the back teeth of PC, the lunacy of gender nonsense, the crushing badness of the Obama years and unemployment , what do you think will happen when the Leftists pick a physical fight with the long suffering armed majority by screaming in thier faces?

          Its going to be quick and brutal, and the Left will be routed. History tells us the only way to remove communists is to crush them.

          I abhor violence, the Left are rabid and will start it, and it will be fast and horrific, but i think the conservatives ( and most police and armed force people ) are right wing, so I think the Left will lose, and Liberty will be preserved….

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    tom0mason

    Joanne, are you finally going to make this a https: site instead of just plain http: ?
    Upgrade this whole blog?
    Declare independence from the Australian state?
    Take ownership of the GBR?
    Move to SA?

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    Phil R

    It’s first thing in the morning for those of us on the east coast of the U.S. :)

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    Sago

    Oh dear I see someone at 6.1.1 calls themselves Julian Felcher.Thanks to that most irreverent D.J. Doug Mulray many eons ago those of us on the East coast know what a felcher is.Suggest said individual is having a lend of everyone expecting us to suck it up.

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    pat

    Birdlife countering the Harvard study!

    5 Oct: Birdlife.org: Location, location, location: how to reduce bird collisions
    Wind energy has an incredibly green image. Yet placed in the wrong locations, wind turbines can harm birds and bats. The solution: strong science and technology that helps to avoid this unnecessary damage
    By Margaret Sessa-Hawkins
    From almost every perspective, wind power is one of the most environmentally friendly energy sources…
    The best way to avoid negative effects on birds is to ensure that wind turbines are placed in locations without sensitive species…

    BirdLife International has also worked in partnership with Conservation International, IUCN and UN Environment World Conservation Monitoring Centre to launch the Integrated Biodiversity Assessment Tool (IBAT), a subscription-based web resource…
    IBAT has over 100 public and private sector subscribers including the WWF, World Bank, Harvard University, JPMorgan, A Rocha Ghana, Shell, Rio Tinto, UPC Renewables, Cambridge Institute for Sustainability Leadership, and Mott MacDonald…

    “Importantly, wind is a ubiquitous resource,” says (Tris Allinson, Senior Global Science Officer, BirdLife International). “With sufficient forethought and planning, we can meet all our renewable energy requirements without the need to locate wind farms in areas where they harm birds and other wildlife.”
    http://www.birdlife.org/worldwide/news/location-location-location-how-reduce-bird-collisions

    the writer, Margaret Sessa-Hawkins. check out her career:

    LinkedIn: Margaret Sessa-Hawkins, Digital Communications Officer at BirdLife International
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/margaret-sessa-hawkins-727898110

    9 Dec 2015: PBS Newshour: UK petition to ban Donald Trump gets more than 300,000 signatures
    By Margaret Sessa-Hawkins
    The home affairs spokesman for the Labour party, Jack Dromey, tweeted his support for the petition, and Green Party leader Natalie Bennett is also in favor, according to the BBC…

    23 Apr: Ecowatch: One in Eight Bird Species Threatened With Extinction, Study Finds
    By Lorraine Chow
    A new report from BirdLife International finds that 40 percent of the world’s 11,000 bird species are in decline, with one in eight bird species now under some threat of extinction…
    “The data are unequivocal. We are undergoing a steady and continuing deterioration in the status of the world’s birds,” Tris Allinson, BirdLife’s Senior Global Science Officer and editor-in-chief of the report, said in a statement. “The threats driving the avian extinction crisis are many and varied, but invariably of humanity’s making.”
    Notably, the report also identified human-induced climate change as one of the most serious long-term threats to birds…

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    pat

    5 Oct: CarbonPulse: London Stock Exchange hires well-known carbon specialist to lure more green finance
    The London Stock Exchange Group (LSEG) has hired a well-known carbon and climate finance specialist to spearhead its drive on green finance.

    1 Oct: ClimateBonds.net: Flagship Market report: London Launch: Trillion $ potential of climate investment: Green & climate aligned bonds are the foundation
    by Andrew Whiley
    Flagship Climate Bonds report launched in London
    The green bonds market continues to boom, said Climate Bonds CEO Sean Kidney to an audience of investors at the Climate Bonds Initiative’s flagship report, ‘Bonds and Climate – Change State of the Market 2018′ (LINK), London launch earlier today.

    The new report; the annual international analysis of labelled green bonds and wider climate-aligned bond universe, is sponsored by HSBC…
    It identifies over USD1.45trillion of potential green bonds showing that the market has headroom for huge growth into the 2020s…

    “This demand for quality green product will be ongoing. It’s a natural outcome of institutional investors lifting their green portfolio allocations whilst increasing their engagement with corporates on climate risks, climate opportunities and the development of business models, and capex plans consistent with the Paris 2 deg. target.”…

    Download the full report…

    Acknowledgements: Climate Bonds would like to thank HSBC for their long standing support in the production of the annual State of the Market report series including the 2018 report. HSBC are also a Climate Bonds Partner. A full list of Partners can be found here (LINK)…INCLUES THOMSON REUTERS, BLOOMBERG, CITI, COMMONWEALTH BANK, STANDARD CHARTERED, HSBC, DEUTSCHE BANK, BARCLAYS, AXA, ALLIANZ GLOBAL INVESTORS, NAB, ABN-AMRO, BLACKROCK, MONASH UNIVERSITY, etc.

    Climate Bonds Governors includes:
    Nick Robins
    Nick is Professor in Practice for Sustainable Finance at the London School of Economics’ Grantham Research Institute of Climate Change and the Environment. Nick is also Special Adviser on Sustainable Finance with UN Environment.
    From 2014 to 2018, Nick was co-director of UN Environment’s Inquiry into a Sustainable Finance System. As part of this, Nick led country activities in Brazil, the EU, India, Italy and the UK, as well as thematic work focused on investors, insurance and green banking.
    Before joining UNEP, he was Head of the Climate Change Centre of Excellence at HSBC…
    https://www.climatebonds.net/2018/10/flagship-market-report-london-launch-trillion-potential-climate-investment-green-climate

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    Lewis P Buckingham

    You have put together an AI model that out performs BOM climate predictions and works in hindsight and foresight.
    You have worked out and demonstrated a proof of your calculations of GASTA given a doubling of the ‘well mixed’ atmospheric CO2 concentration.
    A journal has actually published it.
    The sensitivity of CO2 doubling with feedback is .6C.

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    Peter C

    The story is already up on Breitbart: Climate Bombshell: Global Warming Scare Is Based on ‘Careless and Amateur’ Data, Finds Audit

    The first ever audit of the world’s most important temperature data set has found it to be so riddled with errors that it is effectively useless.
    HadCRUT4 is the primary dataset used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to make its dramatic claims about “man-made global warming”

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      robert rosicka

      Jennifer Morahasy and Jo amongst countless others have known this for years , unfortunately Scientific Consensus outweighs commonsense , it also pays better .

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    Greebo

    No mention in the MSM. Why am I not surprised?

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    sophocles

    We could introduce some new prizes. Peter Gleick could be nominated to share a Non-Nobel Piece Prize with Mickey Mann. Half each.
    :-)

    I’m proposing a new category :-) – the Non-Nobels awarded for the greatest Scoundrelly Acts …

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    Greebo

    Is it true??

    It is being reported that ScoMo is saying the ban on nuclear power is being lifted!

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    The UN IPCC announcing its 2085 climate gabfest to be held in Melbourne? (if the coal boogeyman doesn’t get us first that is)

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