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The Al Smith charity dinner, a weapons grade roasting of Clinton

The Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner was a few days ago.  The traditional charity event is the last time both candidates will probably speak at the same place before the election. They were roasting each other. The jokes get sharpened to bleeding point.  I love the idea of this charity bash as a quasi fourth debate. The two candidates are jousting with satirical jabs, able to say things that they may not have been allowed to say in any other context. It is a high and difficult art.

I’d like to see it in Australia (though I fear the laughs would be few and far between). Both US candidates are high caliber performers, both can deliver a line with the right timing. Both were composed. Both probably had good speech writers.

Some would say that Trump crossed the “line” with his pointed barbs, where the jab is a little too sharp, and too thinly disguised. (There’s a certain ratio of joke to message that carries the meme to the most people.)  I would say satire is meant to make to make a point, otherwise it’s just stand up comedy.

In terms of the psychology of speeches, for this 15 minutes, Trump is the alpha-male commanding the room.

UPDATE: Definition of alpha male: a billionaire at the most expensive gig in the world, on a first name basis with half the audience, scores laughs by tossing insults at the most powerful media heads and political players in the US.

Watch Clinton’s roast of Trump. She is a master politician. Smooth, with good delivery. Clinton took most of the roasting with admirable grace. It would not have been fun.

Donald Trump had heavy ammunition:

And even tonight, with all of the heated back and forth between my opponent and me at the debate last night, we have proven that we can actually be civil to each other. In fact, just before taking the dais, Hillary accidentally bumped into me, and she very civilly said, “Pardon me.”

And I very politely replied, “Let me talk to you about that after I get into office.”

Has any other Republican candidate played hardball with the media like this?

These events [the Al Smith dinner] gave not only the candidates a chance to be with each other in a very social setting; it also allows the candidates the opportunity to meet the other candidate’s team. I know Hillary met my campaign manager, and I got a chance to meet the people who are working so hard to get her elected. There they are, … the heads of NBC, CNN, CBS, ABC. There is the New York Times right over there, and the Washington Post. They are working overtime.

It was said to be the first time that the charity event drew boo’s.

The NY Times responded by accusing him of making the charity event dour, as if the only point of this event 3 2 weeks before an election was to be a clown:

By then, he had decisively lost the room. Those on the dais with him seemed to almost visibly writhe away from him at points — brows furrowing, smiles turning to grimaces. One man beside Mr. Trump became a viral sensation on social media, his face frozen and eye bulged by a quip gone awry.

Trump pulled no punches and got laughs while discussing the most important issue in politics today — the corruption. The writhing was because it hurt.

The transcript of both speeches.

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112 comments to The Al Smith charity dinner, a weapons grade roasting of Clinton

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    Sonny

    This is why I turned off the television 7 years ago. Got through about 5 minutes of this to have my suspicions confirmed – both Democrats and Republicans are identical. They are the flipside of the same coin and either way it lands the House wins. American politics is nothing but a crude form of “reality TV” entertainment. These are simply actors playing out their respective roles at the behest of the true rulers of this world, which remain unnamed, unelected, unknown and unacountable.
    God help us all!

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      UPDATE to the post:
      I love the idea of this charity bash as a quasi fourth debate. The two candidates are jousting with satirical jabs, able to say things that they may not have been allowed to say in any other context. It is a high and difficult art.

      I’d like to see it in Australia (though I fear the laughs would be few and far between). Both US candidates are high caliber performers, both can deliver a line with the right timing. Both were composed.

      Some would say that Trump crossed the “line” with his pointed barbs, where the jab is a little too sharp, and too thinly disguised. (There’s a certain ratio of joke to message that carries the meme to the most people.)

      I would say satire is meant to make to make a point otherwise it’s just stand up comedy.

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        The chilling effect of 18C would ensure a boring event.

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        Peter C

        I would say satire is meant to make to make a point otherwise it’s just stand up comedy.

        Fair enough! And Trump made a lot of points. The point that resonated with me was this one:
        ” I got the chance to meet the people are working so hard to get Hiliary elected. There they are: the heads of NBC, CNN, TBC, ABC, the New York Times, the Washington Post.”

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      Raven

      . . to have my suspicions confirmed – both Democrats and Republicans are identical.

      Yep . . and that’s what makes it interesting this time.
      Neither of them support Donald Trump.

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      craig thomas

      You’re not wrong. This obsession with meaningless foreign politics is puzzling.

      The *real* news is being made in the boardrooms of the corporations that start the civil wars that drag the government into spending money and wasting lives in foreign places.

      ISIS filled a spot precisely where the oil companies wanted a pet government to protect their pipeline to Turkey, for the purpose of which they manufactured this anti-Assad “revolution”.
      300,000 lives later, they don’t have the pipeline nor the pet government, and everybody is paying higher taxes to deal with having to bomb arab terrorists and having to re-house millions of other arabs, some of whom aren’t terrorists.
      Meanwhile we’re supposed to care about a fat, lying politician who never served his country supposedly fondling various prostitutes.

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    philthegeek

    Having watched both of them myself……seriously?? What planet are you actually from?

    Trump is the alpha-male commanding the room.

    Ahhhhh…i get it now…….this material comes from your doing a diploma in satire ??? In that context a damn fine funny, congrats!!

    Anyway, will be interesting to watch American politics after Nov 8th and see how GOP goes about doing the rebuilding thing or if they go the “We Wus Wobbed we better Wreck the Joint” Abbott route? Trump is approaching a natural political use by date (although he is pretty toxic already..) and what they do with any Tea Party tanties will be telling.

    Either way and any outcome, a lot of disappointed Repugs come Nov 8th.

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      Definition of alpha male: a billionaire at the most expensive gig in the world, on a first name basis with half the audience, scores laughs by tossing bombs at the most powerful media heads and political players in the US?

      And how do you define “‘We Wus Wobbed we better Wreck the Joint’ Abbott route“. Is that where Abbott wins a 90 seat majority, and Malcolm wrecks it?

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        philthegeek

        Is that where Abbott wins a 90 seat majority, and Malcolm wrecks it

        No, that’s where Abbott lost in 2010, tantied till 2013, then won a majority, did bugger all of any value with it, AND performed sooooo badly that smug git Malcolm to was inflicted on us early by a bunch of bed-wetting doofuses . Malcolm now doing 1/10 of bugger all in terms of actual, useful policy and wrecking the place by inaction with far more sophistication that Abbott, (hardly the “Alpha Male” on the block given his dependency on dAh womenfolk for direction wot?) and spending his time trying to guard his back rather than governing.

        Be interesting to see just if and how Trump may try to stay in the spotlight after the 8th? The theory that he will go full conspiracist “we wus wobbed like every thing else when ive EVER lost it wus wigged” , and parlay that into a Grump Old Dude protest channel may be the go?

        Anyhow, the main question about politics at the moment? What to buy??

        Shares in popcorn, or in producers of computer screen wipes?? Or just sit back and enjoy the funnies on the net?? :)

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          TdeF

          “AND performed sooooo badly”

          Who says? The Age, The SMH, the ABC, Malcolm. Not the huge number of people who voted for Tony, not Malcolm.

          With a total roadblock in the senate Tony as promised repealed the Carbon tax, repealed the Mining tax, signed three major free trade agreements and personally stopped the endless and massive drowning of over one thousand men, women and children in the Timor sea. Our navy stopped being an international Uber service and our sailors just undertakers and taxi drivers.

          Then Palmer lost control and the senate slammed shut.

          Meanwhile his Communications minister, his Foreign Minister and some scared bed wetters supported by his ABC were planning to take his job because Malolm wanted his own Green Liberal party.

          Now a very unpopular Malcolm, less popular than Abbott ever was and despite the full support of the Left and zero criticism from the ABC/Fairfax is unable to even get any policies through.

          Does Malcolm have any of his own? No, unless you count a Very Fast Train, an ETS, more windmills, an open door policy on refugees, gay marriage, a new constitution separating Australians on race and a law which allows all rich bankers to take the afternoon off after a long lunch.

          All this while our national debt grows by $1Billion a week and we are about to lose our AAA rating and Hazelwood is scheduled to close because the latter day Luddites of the Labor party want to close all our power stations. Remove the RET, sell the ABC,SBS and BOM and give Tony back his stolen job. Maybe then we can start to fix the mess.

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            TdeF

            Plus Tony’s warnings about uncontrolled mass migration to Europe where he was so ridiculed by our press.

            Now Tony is being proven right as Britain slams the doors, Eastern Europe passes laws and everyone studies closely how Tony solved our problems. The press were utterly wrong. Tony was right. Everyone knows it except Malcolm’s ABC/SBS, the out of control $1.5Billion a year group who planned the physcial assault on Tony Abbott as opposition leader on Australia Day in admitted collaboration with Julia Gillard’s own staff! The SMH even published a cartoon of Tony punching an aboriginal elder, clearly prepared already.

            If Tony has any fault, it is forgiving his enemies. He is almost too nice but this week he finally said, enough. He will no longer accept the blame for Malcolm’s endless mistakes.

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          el gordo

          While watching US democracy flounder I think popcorn with a grain of salt would be a perfect accompaniment.

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          delcon2

          I think I may have mentioned this before,Abbott had his hands tied behind his back,by a”Hostile”senate,hell bent on stopping him from putting in place policies that would have helped us get our “Finances”back on track.Thanks to the”Traitors”from the “Left”who are happy that we are going down the”Gurgler”

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            Dennis

            Not only a hostile Senate, the last Labor Budget, financial year 2013/14 was deliberately sabotaged by them. Many budgeted items were not funded, no provision was made to pay for items such as the Gonski education grants to the state governments and other items and accordingly the estimated budget deficit for 2013/14 was under-estimated by over $25 billion. These problems were discovered by the independent auditors commissioned to examine the Labor Budget.

            And there were no funds to use to pay for the “black holes” Labor handed over so the Coalition was forced to borrow money and add to the debt Labor handed over. Noting that they inherited zero debt from the Howard Coalition and years of budgets in surplus including over $22 billion for 07/08 which Labor spent within months of taking office and then commenced to borrow to spend or squander more.

            Therefore Abbott & Hockey had major budget repair issues to deal with that Labor deliberately created for them. And via the hostile Senate Labor did everything possible to block budget repair measures planned, including blocking over $30 billion of proposed budget savings.

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            philthegeek

            Abbott had his hands tied behind his back,by a”Hostile”senate

            Sorry, thats just such egregious and delusional crap.

            When the Abbott govt came in they actually had a Senate that was leaning to the Right. They then proceeded to do the “born to rule, get out of our way and roll over on orders” thing that they do to the crossbenchers. Who flipped them the bird. :)

            The Abbott Govt created their problems in the Senate by showing a complete inability to work with the properly elected parliament that the Australian people gave them. Nothing unfair about it, just incompetence and a massivley overblown sense of entitlment on the part of the Libs.

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              el gordo

              It wasn’t all Tony’s fault, Credlin should take some of the blame for his demise. Shielding the PM only encouraged ‘white anting’ and on the day of the coup he was completely shocked.

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                philthegeek

                It wasn’t all Tony’s fault

                Respectfully disagree eg. Credlin was an employed staffer who has gotten above herself, yes….But Abbott is an elected MP and was PM. As such HE had a duty to try and make the Parliament work, do actual governance stuff and i my opinion he failed. In particular by failing to manage Senate relations in a practical manner.

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                el gordo

                Yeah, I can’t argue with that.

                Talcum is more charm school but he still falls into all the usual traps, the honeymoon is well and truly over.

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              yes, the Abbott senate leaned so far right that the head of one group of four “right leaning” senators stood on a podium with Al Gore and then insisted we need international carbon trading. And he was a coal miner (in theory).

              Australian politics is so amateur that one has-been celebrity flies in and thwarts the voters…

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                philthegeek

                You should probably try and be cognizant of opinions a little broader that the groupthink here to put things in perspective. At the time there was a lot of worried discussion among more center/left people who had been following the make up of the cross bench which you may have missed. :) Much relief when Abbott and Abetz fwarked up so badly and scuppered their own agenda.

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              TdeF

              “egregious and delusional crap”

              That’s not an argument. That’s just abuse.
              Apart from being completely wrong, why did you start with an absurd and facetious Sorry?

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                philthegeek

                [ an absurd and facetious Sorry? ]

                Because i have sympathy for anyone stupid enough to swallow the line that Abbott was in any way hard done by. A bit like DLDondon. He wallows in self created mess then tanties that it the world agin him..

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                TdeF

                Phil, there is a reason you have sympathy for anyone stupid.

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                philthegeek

                Phil, there is a reason you have sympathy for anyone stupid.

                True, but i never boast about what a kind and thoughtful individual i am. Thank you for alluding to it though. :)

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          Dennis

          Effectively the Abbott led Coalition defeated Labor at the 2010 election and forced them into a minority alliance based government to retain office. Labor lost a substantial number of electorate seats in 2010 despite a substantial win of seats at the 2007 election.

          And of course at the 2013 election the Abbott Coalition defeated Labor in a landslide victory.

          Despite his criticism from 2009 onwards and claim that he would save the government and its majority of seats Turnbull led them almost into defeat at the 2016 election.

          He promised so much to his followers and delivered very little, many of them lost their own seats.

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            TdeF

            What he promised them was obviously a Green Liberal government which would devastate Labor using simple preference deals. Labor are utterly dependent on Green votes. However Green voters could not stomach the deal and Di Natalie walked away at the very last minute, devastating Malcolm who did not even bother campaigning, he was so sure of victory.

            Now a faux Abbott with Abbott’s policies which he hates, Abbott’s job which he loves and surrounded by the same ministers who want his job, even his ABC cannot save him.

            He is doing nothing about the farce with 18C, even though most people want it gone. Why? Banker Malcolm says it will not create a single job, so freedom of speech is not important. Who agree with that?

            However while Malcolm looks after himself and his friends like Triggs, who looks after the country? Without the extreme Unionist Premier Daniel Andrews in Victoria, Malcolm would have renovated the Lodge for Shorten with his own money. No wonder he was cross at the result. Australia had let him down. A bit like a bunker in Berlin in 1945.

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              philthegeek

              Labor are utterly dependent on Green votes.

              Terrible, terrible that a minor party such as the Greens would have that kind of influence! They only polled 10.2% at the last election.

              Now the Nationals ( who by tradition have a firm grasp on the Libs short hair region) consistently poll in the 3-4% range so are obviously much more worthy. :)

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                el gordo

                Good point, but our man is deputy PM, the Greens will never achieve that status.

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                TdeF

                In some electorates they polled 25%.

                What mattered is that in the previous parliament, only 8 Labor members would have had their seats without Green preferences. Most Liberals and Nationals sit in their own right.

                Country electorates are smaller by necessity as in places like Victoria, 83% of all Victorians live in Melbourne. Otherwise please explain how someone with only 3% can sit in the House of Representatives where there is only one Green member?

                This leverage is how a Green minority who had no democratic representation could dictate Gillard and Rudd and Shorten policies. That was Turnbulls dream. Swap preferences with the Greens or even null preferences and Labor and the Greens would swap, except they would be Malcolm’s Greens. The cost would be those ‘deluded conservatives’ who thought the Liberal party was conservative and the National Party.

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                philthegeek

                [ Otherwise please explain how someone with only 3% can sit in the House of Representatives where there is only one Green member? ]

                Simple! The system is rigged by the squatters and their forelock tuggers so that true democracy can never prevail!!! DLDondon would fix it up for us in a trice!! Multi member seats and Proportional Representation for all with Recall Election provisions is wot we need. :) Go on…you know it makes sense.

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                el gordo

                ‘The system is rigged by the squatters …’

                That’s old hat, these days we are agrarian socialists.

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                philthegeek

                That’s old hat, these days we are agrarian socialists.

                Morphing Squatters!! Quickly! Burn them at the stake! They are obviously all Witches!!!

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                What Class?

                You’re correct there. They are much more worthy, even when they don’t poll so well. There is a section of the populace large enough to keep the socialists at bay. They vote National, or One Nation, or ALA. The right is sorta fractured at the moment. You must be concerned that they’ll unite. They eventually will and a growing number of people is joining them. We’re fed up with the destructive idiocy that your ilk is foisting on our country.
                Politics in this country is cactus, as in most of the western world. There is an increasing divide in the community. You’re to blame. Be warned. You will pay.

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    Ruairi

    N.Y.T. and the Washington Post,
    And four Networks from coast to coast,
    At the A.E.Smith dinner,
    Where Trump, the clear winner,
    Gave Clinton and them a good Roast.

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    J.H.

    Perhaps this poll will Roast Hillary’s confidence a bit….. “Donald Trump 2 points ahead of Hillary Clinton in Poll that has accurately predicted the outcomes of the last 3 elections”.

    Anyway, just a bit over two weeks till the only poll that matters.

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    TdeF

    The Left in the US have had their black president. Now they might get a woman president. It would be great if this was all about the future of America, not about repressive ‘progressive’ politics.

    Hilary has had her time at the very top for 30 years from the White House to Secretary of State and her record is awful, bordering on criminal. From Whitewater to the death of the US ambassador as mentioned by Trump to the Clinton Foundation which is undermining even Australian democracy and economy.

    The most worrying part of her speech is her continuing attack on Russia. Never before has a candidate openly threatened nuclear war, especiallyhaving presided over the rolling disaster of Obama’s Arab spring which has devastated the Middle East and Europe and threatened the world and brought the US into direct conflict in Syria and the Ukraine.

    As the person in charge at this time, you would think Hilary had nothing to do with Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Turkey and the mass invasion of Europe. According to Hilary, it is all Russia’s fault and Trump is the problem. She was not joking.

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      craig thomas

      What’s the Arab Spring got to do with Ukraine?

      And here’s a quick quiz for you:

      Who invaded Ukraine in 2014:
      a. The USA
      b. China
      c. Russia

      Who sent forces across the border into Estonia to kidnap a customs agent who had been making life hard for Russian smugglers
      a. The USA
      b. China
      c. Russia

      Which country is currently run by a member of a brutal secret police force belonging to a totalitarian communist state
      a. The USA
      b. China
      c. Russia

      In which country have dozens of journalists critical of their government died in mysterious circumstances over the past 15 years
      a. The USA
      b. China
      c. Russia

      Good luck. I hope you can figure out how to not be part of the cheer squad for a very bad man who runs a very nasty regime.

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        crakar24

        Here is another quiz

        Who is the only country in the world to commit crimes against humanity by deliberately targetting energy and water production.

        a, USA
        b, Israel
        c, Russia

        Which country/countries openly defy the international atomic energy agency and continues to produce high grade atomic material for their nuclear weapons stock pile

        a, USA
        b, Irael
        c, Russia

        Which country/countries use DIEBOLD meachines to count votes in an election, machines which have the programming to allow them to flip or delete votes

        a, USA
        b, Israel
        c, Russia

        Which country/countries continue to commit human rights atrocities by using banned weapons such as cluster and phosphour bombs

        a, USA
        b, Isreal
        c, Russia

        Which country is the only one on earth to deliberately destroy an entire city by dropping a nuke on it

        a, USA
        b, Israel
        c, Russia

        Which country is the only one on earth to do the above twice?

        You need to remove the half of your brain that stops you from using both eyes.

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      craig thomas

      Incidentally, Obama is less “left” than most Republican presidents prior to about Ronald Reagan.

      You’ve been suckered into believing this left v. right thing instead of figuring that what’s really going on is that the boardrooms of america believe they are the ones who should be calling the shots, not the voting citizens.
      They’ve done a bloody good con job, too, judging by how many people believe their nonsense.

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        crakar24

        And if Clinton becomes the next president what you describe above will increase ten fold as she has a lot of debts to repay.

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        el gordo

        Bernie Sanders said the US has ‘more people in jail than any other country on Earth’

        It sounds like a police state, externally the US and other first world leaders have been exploiting the Third World for too long.

        Craig did you catch my lecture on The Third Way?

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        “oardrooms of america believe they are the ones who should be calling the shots, not the voting citizens.”

        So interesting to hear you say that Craig, so who lobbies for carbon trading? The boardrooms of Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Deutsche Bank,JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, BNP Paribas, Barclays, Credit Suisse, Royal Dutch Shell, BP, Panasonic, GE, ….

        Citigroup commits $100 billion to “climate change”.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        Jo,

        Craig isn’t very good at this agit-prop stuff. He is just no challenge at all. Can you please see if you can find a replacement? I am sure we would all chip in, if money was an issue.

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      Rod Stuart

      TdeF
      This completely different take on the situation might well be of interest to you
      In the world of international intrigue, the drama on the world stage often has no resemblance to the plot being worked out behind the curtain.
      I am interested in your comments.

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        Annie

        Interesting and sobering.

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        TdeF

        Nuclear war does not mean bunkers, as Craig suggests. Rations of bread in St. Petersburg. That’s a joke. 100 megaton hydrogen bombs are not the 15Kton tiddlers of Hiroshima. The small US bombs are 600-2200 Kilotons. There would be nothing left at all.

        Be assured that nuclear war would be the end of life as we know it. Mankind would be stone age. How many people can grow food? How many cities work at all without power, water and food? Some countries would survive better than others, even after all the fallout, but anyone planning to live in a city after a nuclear strike has no idea what they are talking about. There would be no city. 10,000C, shockwave, vaporization. This is not WW2 where the people of Leningrad can survive on 200g of bread a day. Even Stalin thought it, so all the underground stations are 80 metres deep. Even he realised it was pointless. There is no survival.

        What is distressing is the orchestrated attack on Russia by Hilary as part of an election campaign? It was the Russians who last year forced the handing over of the 2,000 tons of Sarin gas in Syria, the real WMDs sent by Saddam from Iraq in its last days. Hopefully it is all gone now, quietly destroyed by factory ships in the Mediterranean. 30x worse than cyanide, a drop will kill instantly. This nearly fell into the hands of Obama supported ‘freedom fighters’. There has been almost no press over this, as it would have justified the invasion of Iraq. This is the one good thing to come out of the Civil/Holy/Proxy war in Syria, another Vietnam.

        I could go on, but Russia is likely not the enemy. If you were them, you would be terrified now at what Hilary is saying. First strike. MAD alone has kept the world safe for 70 years, unprecedented in the modern world where world war was every generation. Now for the first time in my lifetime, a US Presidential candidate is openly accusing Russia of meddling in their election, their emails and hacking their phones and being the entire problem and in response she is really threatening a nuclear first strike? A former Secretary of State? How incredibly irresponsible!

        This is clearly diversionary tactics, not reality. Create the enemy, just as you suggest. Except the enemy Hilary has in mind is not her devastating foreign policies, her appalling disregard for security, the huge money machine which is the Clinton foundation and her public performance from Whitewater to Libya but Donald Trump and Russia. Never before has one candidate accused the other of criminal behavior and worse, the argument has merit. If Trump’s crime was illegally minimizing his tax, he would be in jail. If the FBI were bought off or warned off by ex President Clinton, that it illegal.

        Believe if you like that Russia is the problem and that Russia has not left its communist history behind, but this campaign has been taken in an incredibly dangerous direction by Hilary herself. Putin was even ridiculed in her roast speech. It was not funny. This is desperation politics and beyond dangerous. The one playing the scare game is Hilary.
        Here we are talking about windmills. Hilary is talking simultaneously about nuclear missiles and sustainability?

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          TdeF

          Can you even begin to imagine the devastation of a 100 megaton Hydrogen bomb. 6,000 x Hiroshima. There are tens of thousands of atom bombs aimed currently by both sides. So multiply by another 1000x. 6 Million Hirishimas, one Hiroshima for every 1,000 people on the planet. There is no point taking cover under your desk.

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          Yonniestone

          Tdef I have a theory about the aftermath of a nuclear war where the people struggling now will do better than the ones from a developed nation as they already know basic survival skills opposed to your current average westerner who’s entire world is in turmoil because their internet is down.

          Perhaps a melding of the best from both would occur in the spirit of survival of the fittest?, if so I hope conservative politics is applied when needed or it will be game over for sure.

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            TdeF

            As long as they do not forget about agriculture. Then the iron age. Who really knows how to make steel today? Plastics. Anitibiotics. Aluminum. Weaving. We would start from scratch. Sorry, no one I know would be alive.

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              Yonniestone

              I recall seeing a clay pot furnace method for smelting iron at an old trades fair, I reckon I could do it, I can also throw a good yonnie for hunting. :)

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                TdeF

                Yes, but will the people who survive have any skills at all? The world even forgot how to make concrete after the collapse of the Roman empire! It was reinvented for building lighthouses in the ocean in the 1880s and trademarked, Portland Cement. In the middle ages, they had to use masonry, not concrete which is why there are all the flying buttresses in European Gothic churches, something not needed for the colloseum.

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                David Maddison

                Here is a video of a guy in Queensland who starts with no tools whatsoever and makes some very respectable structures and tools and even smelts iron. What he makes is vastly superior to anything the Aborigines made. He has 21 videos in his channel.

                This is the first one: https://youtu.be/nCKkHqlx9dE

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                crakar24

                The aborigines sharpened a piece of wood and threw it at things some may construe this as tool making but they certainly never smelted iron.

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                Mark D.

                Maybe some copper here and there?

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    pat

    26 Oct: Australian: Wotif’s Graeme Wood backed $2m strike at Rupert Murdoch
    by Ean Higgins & Jared Owens
    The claim was made in an email last year from veteran US liberal public relations guru David Fenton to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign chairman, John Podesta, revealed in the ­latest dump of Podesta emails on Julian Assange’s website WikiLeaks.
    In the email, Mr Fenton tells Mr Podesta that a “Graeme Wood in Australia” has made a “real pledge” of the first $US500,000 towards what he ­describes as “A Campaign Against Rupert Murdoch’s Climate Denialism”….
    One tactic would be to “target key Fox and WSJ advertisers to withdraw their ads until Murdoch outlets acknowledge humans are changing the climate”. “Such a strategy worked brilliantly to force Fox’s Glenn Beck off the air,” the document says, referring to the 2011 departure from Fox News of the conservative media personality.
    Beck said this year he left Fox because his superiors ordered him to “stop talking about God”…
    Mr Fenton’s document says the plan would be to “replicate these and other relevant tactics in Australia and the UK”…
    Efforts to contact Mr Wood yesterday were unsuccessful. The general manager of one of his philanthropic organisations, Artology, said the request had been relayed but he was overseas…
    In 2014 The Australian revealed a $262,000 pledge from Mr Wood to GetUp! was provided to green group Friends of the Earth, meaning the funds could be treated as a tax deduction…
    In another of the WikiLeaks emails, a liberal US lobby group, the League of Conservation Voters, wrote to Mr Podesta advising him of a campaign to encourage the public to sign an online petition urging travel website Orbitz, which promotes eco-tourism among other activities, to pull its advertising from Fox News.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/wotifs-graeme-wood-backed-2m-strike-at-rupert-murdoch/news-story/dcbdb1ab4dcaec67038642065957b418

    25 Oct: SBS: AAP: Wotif founder offered to embarrass Murdoch
    “Some of us have spoken to members of the Murdoch family about this situation,” the document says.
    “What we hear is that the children are embarrassed.”
    Mr Murdoch has described himself as “a climate change skeptic not a denier”.
    But in a piece for the The Washington Post in 2009, his son James wrote about how it was “crunch time” for the environment, with climate prediction models suggesting “we’re on the worst-case trajectory, and some cases worse than the worst case”.
    Comment was being sought from Mr Wood, who donated $500,000 to the Greens for their 2016 election campaign in Victoria and another $130,000 to help candidates in Tasmania…
    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/10/25/wotif-founder-offered-embarrass-murdoch

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    Wikileaks: Murdoch climate campaign
    From David Fenton To John Podesta Date: 2015-02-19
    CLICK ATTACHMENTS AT TOP
    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/27241

    Politico has number of other stories, besides WikiLeaks, check all:

    25 Oct: Politico, Morning Energy: Clinton’s innermost green money donors
    By Anthony Adragna
    (With help from Annie Snider and Joshua Posaner)
    CLINTON’S BIG MONEY ENVIRO DONORS: Hillary Clinton’s campaign set up a call with nine major green donors (LINK) in August 2015 to “discuss how climate and energy issues are playing out within the context of the race,” according to a hacked email from campaign chair John Podesta’s email account newly released by WikiLeaks. Those who made the cut: Prelude Ventures co-founder Nat Simons; green building pioneer Daniel Tishman; Centerbridge Partners co-founder Mark Gallogly; Antha N. Williams, leader of the environment program at Bloomberg Philanthropies; Linden Trust for Conservation founder Larry Linden; billionaire environmentalist Tom Steyer; Berkshire Partners co-founder Carl Ferenbach; and Corridor Partners principals Kathleen Welch and Bill Roberts…
    War threat against Murdoch (LINK)…
    http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-energy/2016/10/clintons-innermost-green-money-donors-217042

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    Ross

    A couple of side effects of this election is the USA has been shown up like never before –because I think Trump and his performance so far has got so many outside the USA following what’s going on and we are seeing how “bad” their system is.Also the MSM has been totally exposed and I don’t think many around the world will look at the USA in the same way they previously did for a long time.
    As for the MSM –they cannot fall any further.

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    25 Oct: Guardian: Michael Slezak: Hacked emails reveal plan to counter Rupert Murdoch’s climate denial
    Emails sent to Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta reveal $3m campaign aimed to put media mogul ‘on the defensive’ and help conservative politicians support global warming action…
    The plan to use “guerilla tactics”, civil disobedience and targeted advertising appears to have been hatched by David Fenton, founder of Fenton Communications, a US public relations agency.
    The proposal aimed to “make Murdoch’s climate denial a major issue,” and “bring the scientific facts on climate change to his audiences directly in print and on television”. It would involve adverts in his and other publications, and the creation of websites that disseminated facts about climate change, and directly challenged the reporting in Murdoch media…
    One email said: “Here is the plan to go after [the Wall Street Journal] and Fox [the TV network] on climate. I have 500,000 [dollars] of this pledged if I can raise another million. It’s a real pledge from Graeme Wood in Australia. I sure hope something like this can happen it’s long overdue.”
    Graeme Wood is the founder of travel website Wotif and an internet entrepreneur who provided a loan to help launch Guardian Australia.
    ***Wood told the Guardian: “It sounded like a good idea at the time but in the end I didn’t proceed with any funding.”…
    “Unless and until Murdoch is put on the defensive on climate change, opening political space for conservatives to come forward, it is unlikely that bipartisan efforts on climate change will be achieved ***in time.”
    “Fox News is the biggest single factor keeping almost 40% of Americans from believing humans are changing the climate, while only 10% know that 97% of climate scientists agree we are warming the earth at our peril.”
    “In some ways, the effect of the Wall Street Journal is even worse, as it sows regular confusion among its 3 million daily subscribers – business leaders and investors among the most influential people in the country.”…
    Fenton concluded: “We have let Rupert Murdoch get away with this atrocious behavior for too long. It’s time to make his endangerment of national and economic security a prominent, inescapable issue.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/25/hacked-emails-reveal-plan-to-counter-rupert-murdochs-climate-denial

    24 Oct: Bloomberg: Emily Cadman: Climate Change May Trigger Next Financial Crisis, Fisher Says
    Businesses should expect more regulation due to climate change
    Climate change could spark the world’s next financial crisis, according to Paul Fisher, who retired this year as deputy head of the Bank of England body which supervises the country’s banks.
    “It is potentially a systemic risk,” Fisher said Monday in an interview in Sydney. A sudden repricing of assets as a result of climate change “could be the trigger for the next financial crisis,” he added…
    “You don’t need to believe in climate change, you don’t need to believe that it is man-made,” Fisher said. “You just need to believe that governments are going to do stuff and that is going to affect your business. And then it is a material risk.”…
    Risks associated with climate change come both from the effect on valuations of the transition toward a lower carbon economy, as well as from the cost of adapting if global warming isn’t checked, according to Andrew Gray, an investment manager at AustralianSuper, the country’s largest pension fund. “Climate change is a genuine investment risk,” Gray said at a Citigroup Inc. conference in Sydney last week…
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-24/climate-change-may-trigger-next-financial-crisis-fisher-says

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    this says he’s in Oz as a guest of the Climate Alliance; ends with “joke” about how 9 out of 10 top issues at Davos were climate-related & the tenth was WMDs. haha.
    CAGW begins at 2mins50secs:

    VIDEO: 6mins01secs: 25 Oct: ABC Business: Elysse Morgan: Paul Fisher speaks to The Business
    Following the 2008 financial crisis, Paul Fisher became the deputy head of the United Kingdom’s banking regulator, playing a key role in shoring up the country’s banks and managing systemic risk in the economy. This year he retired after 26 years at the Bank of England, just as the central bank waded into the climate change debate.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-24/paul-fisher-speaks-to-the-business/7961086

    Climate Alliance: About Us
    Climate Alliance Limited is a not-for-profit, membership-based company that engages with business leaders to help them become better informed about the opportunities and risks presented by climate change.
    Since 2009, we have run conferences addressing a range of topics of interest to the business community. They have tackled issues such as director fiduciary risk, carbon accounting, energy efficiency, business continuity and the risks associated with investments in the fossil fuel industry…
    The Climate Alliance Leadership program identifies Boards, executives, innovative companies and Company Secretaries and ensures that they are appropriately recognised…
    Hendrik Karsten
    Chairman of the Board
    Hendrik came to Australia in 1988 on a working holiday visa and never returned to the Netherlands to live…
    He is aware that our consumption orientated live style is not sustainable and that action is needed to become a more sustainable society…ETC
    BOARD OF ADVISORS includes:
    Liz Bossley
    Liz Bossley is the author of ‘Climate Change and Emissions trading: What Every Business Needs to Know’, and is a recognised expert in the emissions trading industry. She is a member of the UK treasury’s carbon market expert group and an adviser to the City of London…ETC
    http://www.climatealliance.org.au/about-us/

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    PeterS

    As expected you won’t find this news on our mainstream media. Instead they show how Obama made a funny comment about Trump on some dumb American show, which thankfully I don’t watch but excerpts were aired on one of our almost equally dumb morning news shows (which I watch sparingly since they mostly spew out useless information and BS). The mainstream media is definitely against Trump, which is not surprising since they did and still do the same with the AGW scam by attacking and rubbishing the truth.

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    Rod Stuart

    Pat Condell wades into the election selection of POTUS in fine form.
    America’s moment of Truth.

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    PeterS

    Meanwhile George Soros has already named the victor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr0fXwMr2ZQ

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    pat

    Clinton doesn’t need to do as much “bashing” – her MSM minions do it for her. this is Networks only study:

    25 Oct: Newsbusters: Rich Noyes: MRC Study: Documenting TV’s Twelve Weeks of Trump Bashing
    In the twelve weeks since the party conventions concluded in late July, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has received significantly more broadcast network news coverage than his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, but nearly all of that coverage (91%) has been hostile, according to a new study by the Media Research Center (MRC).
    In addition, the networks spent far more airtime focusing on the personal controversies involving Trump (440 minutes) than about similar controversies involving Clinton (185 minutes)…
    For this study, the MRC analyzed all 588 evening news stories that either discussed or mentioned the presidential campaign on the ABC, CBS and NBC evening newscasts from July 29 through October 20 (including weekends). The networks devoted 1,191 minutes to the presidential campaign during this period, or nearly 29 percent of all news coverage…
    Our analysts found 184 opinionated statements about Hillary Clinton, split between 39 positive statements (21%) vs. 145 negative (79%). Those same broadcasts included more than three times as many opinionated statements about Trump, 91 percent of which (623) were negative vs. just nine percent positive (63)…
    Even when they were critical of Hillary Clinton — for concealing her pneumonia, for example, or mischaracterizing the FBI investigation of her e-mail server — network reporters always maintained a respectful tone in their coverage.
    This was not the case with Trump, who was slammed as embodying “the politics of fear,” or a “dangerous” and “vulgar” “misogynistic bully” who had insulted vast swaths of the American electorate. Reporters also bluntly called out Trump for lying in his public remarks in a way they never did with Clinton, despite her own robust record of false statements. [For a flavor of the kind of coverage Trump has been receiving from the Big Three networks this year, watch the video embedded below.] MUST WATCH VIDEO 3mins45secs…
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2016/10/25/

    yet, as record numbers vote early across the US (surely a good sign for Trump), in what MSM has suggested 24/7 is an election with two of the most UNPOPULAR candidates in the history of US elections, some still see Trump winning, no matter MSM – from Fox to CNN – are announcing Clinton has already won in a virtual landslide!

    Oct 25: American Thinker: November 8th: Trump +5
    by Andrew Grant White
    Conventional wisdom says that Trump’s a dead duck, and we all know how prescient is conventional wisdom…
    Presidential polls are split into two camps: MSM polls and non-MSM polls. They have starkly different characteristics and results. MSM polls come from those you already know, and the companies themselves have already shed their last shred of dignity and objectivity to throw in with Hillary. They also poll in discreet measure (i.e. release a poll whenever they want one to come out).
    Non-MSM polls are not as well known but quite accomplished (e.g. Rasmussen, LA Times/USC, IDB/TIPP – the most accurate in 2012 election, btw). They also poll daily (actually an average of the last three days). Finally, MSM polls consistently show Hillary up by an average of 8%, whereas the non-MSM polls have shown variation based on events and a logical current tightening of the polls down to basically +/-1% or so per candidate (e.g. Trump in the lead right now by 2% in Rasmussen’s poll)…
    What if the polls change more favorably for Trump? Great, but I’m not counting that here. What about the 2012 party sampling (or worse) adjustment to data? Have you seen the difference in the candidate’s rallies? But so what? I’m not factoring that in either. No, I’m not talking about polls changes or the supposedly awoken silent majority giant. I’m talking about the Bradley Effect…READ ON
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/10/november_8th_trump_5.html

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    Dennis

    On ABC National radio this morning discussion on Hillary Clinton using a private server for US Federal Government business (illegally) and a denial by President Obama that he was aware of her using the server. He later retracted his denial when it became public (Wikileaks) that he had in fact used her server but created a nickname for himself.

    It is taken a while but now the US media is reporting this.

    Maybe they will now expose the whole Clinton Foundation can of worms too, and much more from the Clinton history books.

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      I heard that too, which has lead me to think “what is Wikileaks”, “who is running it” and “how did they get all that info”.

      Whomever it is they are intent on getting Trump into the whitehouse, what is interesting is all the info seems legit, you never hear anyone denying the validity of an email which gives one great confidence in the material being released but also shows they have access to info at the highest of levels.

      Perhaps the perception that all members of the US government are socio-paths is false, perhaps there is a group of people that actually still believe in government for the people by the people and as such have taken great risks to release these emails, I say great because if caught they will be “disappeared” by those being affected by the leaks.

      Perhaps it is a foreign power? Perhaps they hacked her private server? One thought is the server was used to sell state secrets, the foreign power hacks the server (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) and then makes a generous donation to the Clinton foundation perhaps one foreign power took the liberty to hack a bit more than they paid for?

      In the end we now have this fascinating war, the unknown party releasing damaging info about Clinton/Obama attempting to ruin their campaign and the bought and paid for media doing their best to keep it all buried.

      And in the middle you have Joe Simpleton who in reality dont give a toss and probably wont vote anyway, the power and the money at work behind the scenes would be staggering.

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        ianl8888

        … the unknown party releasing damaging info about Clinton/Obama attempting to ruin their campaign and the bought and paid for media doing their best to keep it all buried

        I agree, this part is amusing :)

        But mostly those people getting kicks from the “he said, she said” hype … sheesh, just boring. Ad homs are for children, just low level toilet humour.

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          Mark D.

          I could not take so lightly, regrettably as you have, that all this has severely corroded the iron pins supporting the USA.

          When a fastener in a large and complex structure fails what is the result?

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    Dennis –

    plenty are saying the Obama/Clinton email server story could be the game-changer, e.g.:

    “We need to clean this up” #1 trending on Google News! She’s done!

    or it could simply provide an opportunity for MSM polls to get real, given the early voting patterns, and save some face.
    remember, at least 40% are expected to vote early:

    some RedditThe_Donald threads today:

    TEXAS COUNTY SWITCHING TO PAPER AFTER SOFTWARE GLITCH! Keep reporting the voter fraud! IMPORTANT (Breitbart)

    TEXAS RED ALERT! MULTIPLE COUNTIES REPORTING BALLOT “MALFUNCTIONING” ACROSS TEXAS!!

    Texas County Declares Emergency, Orders Electronic Voting Machines Removed Due to “Software Glitches.” (Breitbart)

    So much voter fraud happening in Texas, it’s now trending on Facebook

    TRUMP UP BY 3% IN NEVADA: 22% OF AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTE – POLL SAMPLES 4% MORE DEM, 8% MORE WOMEN (Real Clear Politics)

    TRUMP UP BY 3% IN NC: 20% AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTE – POLL SAMPLES 8% MORE DEMS, 8% MORE WOMEN (Real Clear Politics)

    Thousands of People Are Not Able to Get Into (Trump) Tallahassee Rally! Venues Can’t Hold Our Supporters, Folks!!

    TRUMP WITH 29% of AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTE IN PENNSYLVANIA – POLL SAMPLES 6% MORE DEMS AND 8% MORE WOMEN (Real Clear Politics)

    The reason the polls were way off for Brexit was turnout. You’re seeing with record turnout in TX why the polls will be wrong this time as well.

    Texans Shatter Turnout Records in First Day of Voting

    ***POLL FRAUD ALERT*** SurveyUSA expects us to believe more men are voting for Hillary Clinton than women IN TEXAS! RIDICULOUS!

    the ABSURD SurveyUSA poll, suggesting Clinton was more popular with pro-2nd amendment, secessionist-leaning Texan men who vote Republican, was probably a cover for massive fraud, which may now have been stopped with the WikiLeaks “oversampling” revelations and ongoing public complaints since yesterday, asking for paper ballots to be provided because of machine malfunctioning. people are watching.

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    Steve needs help from Julie to ensure they get the NYT spin exactly right. easy when you only report the story from the Clinton side. still, you have to laugh:

    26 Oct: NYT: Steve Eder: ‘We Need to Clean This Up’: Clinton Aide’s Newly Public Email Shows Concern
    (Julie Hirschfeld Davis contributed reporting)
    In a March 2015 interview, President Obama said that he had learned about Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state “the same time everybody else learned it, through news reports.”…
    “We need to clean this up — he has emails from her — they do not say state.gov,” Cheryl D. Mills, a top aide, wrote to John D. Podesta, another senior adviser, on March 7, 2015.
    Two days later, Mr. Obama’s spokesman, Josh Earnest, tried to clarify the president’s remarks, saying that he had, in fact, exchanged emails with Mrs. Clinton through her private account.
    But Mr. Earnest suggested that the president had no idea the emails could be a problem, because he had relied on Mrs. Clinton to make sure that using a private account did not break any laws.
    “The point that the president was making is not that he didn’t know Secretary Clinton’s email address — he did — but he was not aware of the details of how that email address and server had been set up, or how Secretary Clinton and her team were planning to comply with the Federal Records Act,” Mr. Earnest said on March 9…
    The president’s spokesman said Tuesday that Mr. Obama’s original comment that he had not known about the private email server was accurate.
    “I recognize that some of the president’s critics have attempted to construct some type of conspiracy about the communication between the president and the secretary of state, but they’ve failed to put forward a conspiracy that withstands any scrutiny,” Mr. Earnest said…
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/26/us/politics/wikileaks-hillary-clinton-emails.html?_r=0

    nothing to see here. move on. same at Politico, which barely reports the story at all:

    25 Oct: Politico: Josh Gerstein: Clinton adviser: ‘They wanted to get away with it’ on private email setup
    In the exchange (dated 3rd March 2015 – link to Wikileaks), Center for American Progress president Neera Tanden complained to incoming Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta that Clinton lawyer and former State Department Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills had allowed the email situation to fester to the point where it became a liability to Clinton’s presidential bid.
    “This is a cheryl special. Know you love her, but this stuff is like her Achilles heal. [sic] Or kryptonite. she just can’t say no to this shit. Why didn’t they get this stuff out like 18 months ago? So crazy,” Tanden wrote.
    “Unbelievable,” Podesta replies.
    “I guess I know the answer. They wanted to get away with it,” Tanden said, urging that Clinton turn over the emails to the National Archives immediately…
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/clinton-private-email-server-wikileaks-230294

    this story is now on all Networks in US, plus Cable etc.

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    OriginalSteve

    Uh oh…destroying ecomonies to create jobs…..

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/environment/climate-change/million-new-jobs-in-prospect-by-2040-even-as-emissions-dive-study-finds-20161024-gs9qww.html

    Presumably the jobs are in debt collection agencies and repo collectors….

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      But didn’t you like Hannam’s reporting? His use of the video was a masterful choice of a 2 minute segment from a 7 minute complete record. And using its prevarication by Finkel to claim rebuttal of Roberts. Near perfect propaganda. Except… It didn’t show Roberts digging a man trap, and getting Finkel to help him.
      Cheers,
      Dave B

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    VIDEO 41secs: 25 Oct: DavidMartosko, Daily Mail: Estimate for Sanford, FL @realDonaldTrump crowd: 12,000
    TWEET: The final crowd estimate: 12,000
    REPLY: Where are they getting these polls from. I smell BS. Un-decided do not stand in line all day
    https://twitter.com/dmartosko/status/791017217282416640

    VIDEO: 12secs: 24hrs ago: Dustin Stockton: What a full house for Trump in Tampa looks like!
    https://twitter.com/DustinStockton?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    25 Oct: GatewayPundit: Jim Hoft: TRUMP on Track to Win More Black Votes Than Any GOP Candidate Since 1960
    Black Likely Voters for TRUMP @Rasmussen_Poll (AVERAGING 16% NATIONALLY FOR OCTOBER TO DATE)
    Blacks today make up 22% of the Democratic vote…
    If Democrats lost 25% of the black vote they would lose Virginia, Florida, Ohio and North Carolina…
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/trump-track-win-black-votes-gop-candidate-since-1960/

    GOING DOWN:

    25 Oct: Entertainment Weeklt: James Hibberd: Fall TV: What’s a hit, what’s not
    Here’s how all the new broadcast shows — and their networks — are doing
    So, yes, everybody is down…
    COMMENT:
    Doug Clinton, Louisiana: We are sick of the garbage the networks pump out including their so called “news”
    My wife and I have not watched nbc, cbs or abc for years. I stopped watching espn when they decided to get all left wing political and start commenting politics.
    I have stopped with the nfl as well. dont need them, nothing but a bunch of overpaid bitches.
    Ken Williams, Texas: I will never watch any news or programs on THE BIG 5 ever again except sports which is about the only show that is unbiased and free of politics for the most part!
    http://www.ew.com/article/2016/10/25/fall-tv-ratings

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    Rod Stuart

    the hostile Senate Labor did everything possible to block budget repair measures planned

    Therein lies the bulk of the problem. The senate’s insane behaviour is along party lines. The senators are there to review legislation and introduce objection in cases in which their particular State is unfairly treated; not to merely vote in blocks as they now do to defeat the government.
    With the nation’s finances in the current mess, it is unconscionable that any senator blocks legislation intended to correct that problem.
    Any one with half an eye and an anus can identify the unmentionable waste in Commonwealth spending.

    It goes without saying that the Human Rights Commission should be seriously cut back or eradicated. That said, what about all the other government departments and quangos that are similarly run? Something tells me it would go a very long way towards repairing our diabolical federal budget.

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    philthegeek

    Hmmmmmmm….67% chance the Dear Leader Dondon delivers Hillary the Senate as well as the Presidency??

    Go boy Go!!!

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      el gordo

      The Republicans worst fear, irrelevancy.

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        AndyG55

        If that were true, they wouldn’t continually position themselves on the left of centre.

        RINO’s will always become irrelevant because no-one wants them.

        Just ask Turnbull.

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    pat

    just on Fox: same topic…day after day. Kelly had just launched the same attack against Trump VP Mike Pence…and now it was Newt Gingrich’s turn.
    I don’t even like Gingrich, but this is fun:

    25 Oct: Youtube: 7mins54secs: Megyn Kelly Newt Gingrich FULL Interview Trump Polls , Fight Over Sexual Predator – 10/25/16
    COMMENTS ARE SCATHING:
    Nice to see Newt Gingrich stand his ground with her. Sick of Megyn Kelly!
    I loved his fire…
    “Let’s assume she’s corrupt.”
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!…
    Megyn kelly tried to say Fox news is NOT AN ESTABLISHMENT news media. When did Fox invest into this comedy show called Kelly File?…
    Wow I knew she was deep with the Clinton camp but this was a CNN type smear. Sad Kelly. And that electoral map was hillarious…
    HAHAH Megyn, nobody likes you and your ratings are falling …
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Uhd8Jg8P4&app=desktop

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    pat

    comments on freerepublic re Kelly/Gingrich interview:
    She flat out lied about what Trump said (about the accusations against him)…
    Oh I guess the Fox News poll “guessers” are infallible.. And Fox is impartial LOL!…
    She spoke very rudely to Pence: “You know as well as I do” followed by a garbled version of her personal truth. To Mike Pence, for Pete’s sake!…
    She used the same phrase to Newt. He started out answering her question and interpreting in a straightforward manner, but then she interrupted to really slander Trump. She sounded furious and obsessed with an overwrought interpretation of what Trump had said. Really bizarre…

    comment on freerepublic re the following interview with Pence. a true observation:

    “Just watched the vid with Pence. It certainly seems like Pence’s responses were edited as to where they stopped and allowed MeGYN to come in and ask the next “pithy” question. I’m pretty certain they sliced and diced the end of Pence’s responses, noticed this at least 4 times. The ending of sentences were simply too abrupt and that is not Mike Pence.”

    Pence interview begins at 3mins11secs in, but Carl Cameron reporting on Trump in Florida at the beginning is ok:

    25 Oct: Youtube: 10min38secs: Gov Pence On Suggestion Trump Camp Has Surprises – The Kelly File
    COMMENTS:
    I’m a FORMER Democrat that switched to vote for Trump in the Primary in CT. Here in CT, a deep blue state, I don’t know a SINGLE person that is voting for or can stand Hillary. Let’s not believe the polls at this point! Pollsters are trying to discourage people from going out and voting Trump.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_LQPJjYS1k&app=desktop

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    Rod Stuart

    “The essential characteristic of the Argument from Intimidation is its appeal to moral self-doubt and its reliance on the fear, guilt or ignorance of the victim. It is used in the form of an ultimatum demanding that the victim renounce a given idea without discussion, under threat of being considered morally unworthy. The pattern is always: ‘Only those who are evil (dishonest, heartless, insensitive, ignorant, etc.) can hold such an idea.’”— “The Argument from Intimidation,” The Virtue of Selfishness, Ayn Rand.

    http://bit.ly/2f0H0SG

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    pat

    PIC: 24 Oct: Clinton rally, Manchester, New Hampshire – from a drone’s eye view
    https://i.sli.mg/l2xJ8H.jpg

    comment at RedditThe_Donald: OMG that’s pathetic for any nominee, let alone one up by 3566 points in the nbccswsjabcnytcnn poll

    MSM, except for a tight pic on Heavy.com, doesn’t show the “crowd” at all. but they write about “A big crowd attended the event”, “Both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are going strong in rally appearances” or mention it was a “raucous crowd” no figures given anywhere!!!

    ABC America shill gushes: “TAKE a look at this crowd” but the camera shows no more than the above image!

    VIDEO: 41secs: ABC America: (Elizabeth) Warren joins Clinton in New Hampshire Battleground
    http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/2016-15-days-warren-joins-clinton-hampshire-battleground-43023939

    Fox covers for Clinton; no view of crowd at all, just the usual bus-ed in group behind her, & chooses to play anti-Trump “nasty women” spiel by Warren:

    25 Oct: Youtube: Fox News: 1min50secs: Sen. Warren helps Clinton with women, youth vote in New Hampshire
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GWzyAzYkc8

    meanwhile, new RedditThe_Donald thread:

    Trump had a rally not even two hours ago in Florida — 2.4 MILLION PEOPLE have streamed it on Facebook !!!!!

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    pat

    25 Oct: WCPO: Good news for Trump? Butler County’s absentee voting shows steady increase for Republicans (Ohio)
    HAMILTON, Ohio — If you’re trying to read the tea leaves, this could be very good news for Donald Trump: Absentee voting in Republican stronghold Butler County is up 9 percent this year compared to 2012, and 21 percent over 2008…
    Two weeks before the election, the Butler County Board of Elections has seen 40 percent more requests from Republicans compared to 2012, and 51 percent more requests from Republicans compared to 2008…
    Tuesday’s figures seem to show Trump’s controversial comments about women haven’t dampened the enthusiasm of his supporters, and that his claims of a “rigged” election aren’t suppressing voter turnout as some have predicted…
    “Given the increase in overall absentee voting and early voting in particular, we continue to anticipate record turnout in November,” said Jocelyn Bucaro, deputy director of the Butler County Board of Elections…
    http://www.wcpo.com/news/government/elections-national/good-news-for-donald-trump-butler-countys-absentee-voting-shows-steady-increase-for-republicans

    24 Oct: WESH TV: Dan Billow: Candidates discuss plans for space program
    Trump wants big changes for NASA, which his campaign said has become little more than a logistics agency supporting the space station…
    Trump’s advisors said in a statement that “human exploration of our entire solar system by the end of this century should be NASA’s focus and goal.” That goes far beyond NASA’s plan to send people to Mars in the 2030s.
    Clinton’s plan keeps NASA part of the effort to “tackle the urgent threat of climate change,” aides said, while Trump’s campaign turns up its nose at what it calls “politically correct environmental monitoring.” …
    http://www.wesh.com/article/candidates-discuss-plans-for-space-program/7159750

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    pat

    u don’t say:

    25 Oct: Gateway Pundit: Jim Hoft: FOX News Reporter: Seeing Trump Rally Crowds “How Could He Possibly Be Losing?” (VIDEO)
    Guest post by Tom Franklin at American Lookout:
    FOX News reporter John Roberts was with Trump in Florida yesterday. He reported on the enormous crowds welcoming Trump to St. Augustine and Tampa. For video and pictures of the crowds in St. Augustine, click here.
    All this prompted John Roberts to say,
    “By looking at the crowd that you see out there, you have to wonder: How could he possibly be behind?”…
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/fox-news-reporter-seeing-trump-rally-crowds-possibly-losing-video/

    what an original:

    30 Sept: Australian: UK Times: Barry Gibb: dancing out of the shadows
    by Ed Potton
    These days he spends most of his time at his house in Miami — he has a US passport and is a fan of Donald Trump — but his famous toothy lisp is still full of Manchester, where he lived until he was 12…
    His politics swing rightwards: “You’ve got to watch out for your family, protect your own territory. Go back to the Stone Age, you know!” He says he’ll probably vote for Trump in November. “I want to see a big character,” he says. “If it was some guy with spectacles and a side parting, that’s boring. During the war we had great characters that led us.” He met Trump at a charity event in the 90s and found him “very pleasant. Behind this big, rich guy is probably a really big heart.”
    The Donald’s support for the second amendment is also a factor, you suspect. Gibb likes his guns…
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/barry-gibb-dancing-out-of-the-shadows/news-story/e03af509a837707b616094a5e48228a8

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    Roy Hogue

    So! Very soon now we shall see what happens, who the voters pick and from then on we shall see the result unfold in front of us. And whatever happens, I will at least be free of this miserable campaign season that has seen 20 on up to 50 emails come into my inbox every single miserable day from Donald Trump or his campaign. And along with them come the appeals for money from everyone who can call himself Republican or an attempt to shame me for not responding. I could not possibly send them as much money as they want. And frankly, I don’t have enough hours in a day to read all of the political email I’ve received. I’m glad I’ve no Twitter or FaceBook account or I would be bombarded there too. I have never seen so much desperation before a presidential election. And everyone seems to want a piece of me.

    I do not see what anyone with even a modicum of wisdom about governing a nation can see in either one of them, Trump or Clinton. If it were possible I would hope for them both to lose.

    I watched the roast and it was hilarious, even including the boos and the squirming celebrities. But I asked myself, is this the place we want to be, squirming in discomfort, going way out of line to land a punch at an event that should not be used to land punches on anyone? I cannot possibly be the only one who sees the harm we’ve done to ourselves. Yet I don’t see anyone saying the things I’ve said, pointing out what I’ve pointed out.

    We’ve become a nation at war with itself. It cannot possibly lead to anything but trouble. A few days ago I had to tell someone with whom I trade emails where to go and wash my hands of him, so offensive had his partisan position become, complete with foul language and accusations.

    Politics has always had a foul odor about it. But we have gone far beyond that point by now. I hope we can come back again.

    Whoever wins, the inaugural address is going to be one for the record books. I thought the two from Obama were the worst I’d ever heard but January 20, 2017 will be worse.

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    Amber

    After clearing it with Hillary the FBI “discovered ” 3 new Emails .
    Hillary is now demanding her friends at the FBI provide further copies of the “none confidential” E mails
    so she can act indignant and proclaim, see nothing here .

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