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    scaper...

    Attending the Bolt book launch in Brisbane. An IPA get together. Any guesses on how long Turnbull will be PM? I’ll leave my ‘guess’ until after the event.

    “Karma” comes to mind.

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      Peter C

      Thanks scaper.

      Melbourne book launch cancelled. I forget why.

      In relation to Karma I liked this car bumper sticker: MY KARMA RAN OVER MY DOGMA. Not sure what it means.

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        toorightmate

        Melbourne launch was cancelled due to death of a family member or close friend of the Bolt family.

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          scaper...

          Andrew’s sister. MS.

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          Yonniestone

          Initially it was thought a security scare due to the Melbournistan Geenfilth promoting public disorder, but yes sadly it was a family tragedy.

          These same outraged SJW’s are the ones that aligned themselves with the Socialist Alliance and Antifa with regular counter protests to Patriot rallies/marches or anything else resembling democracy or national pride.

          Going by actual action they should consider themselves lucky the large numbers of highly equipped Victoriastan police have been there to separate clueless lefty students from real Australian Men and Women who realise they have more to lose than hurty feelings on social media.

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        Karma trumps dogma. You get what’s coming to you, not what you think should be. “The best laid plans of mice and men gang aft agley.” “Pride goeth before a fall.” “Starve a dogma or you’ll feed a karma.” etc. (I made the last one up, so at least you’ll know how “starve a cold…” should go).

        Or, his car ran over his dog–who knows?

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    Robert O

    The King Is. Renewable Energy Project.

    The system incorporates wind turbines (2450 Kw), solar panels (390 Kw), diesel generators (6000 Kw) and a battery system which stores 1600 Kwh, as well various controlling mechanisms, flywheel, resistors and electronics. It is difficult to find out much about costs, somewhere around $350 million, but the system incorporates existing facilities.

    The aim of the exercise was to determine the proportion of renewable energy generated and used on the island. It is also of interest as the same type of facility is proposed for the Coober Pedy community in S. Aust. The results obtained come from taking figures on 25 occasions over the past 6 weeks. During this time the solar panels only gave data on two occasions, both were less than 10 Kw. This suggests some problem with the system.

    The usual pattern of power generation and usage was either 100% diesel, or mainly both wind and diesel, wind plus battery input, or 100% wind. The battery was recharged using both diesel and wind input.

    Overall, diesel generation provided 60% of the island’s electricity and wind 40% with a tiny amount of solar noted. The maximum use for the Island noted was 2400 Kw in the morning and evening and a minimum of 1150 Kw. after midnight, and the average use was 1750 Kw.

    Most days both wind and diesel in tandem provided the electricity for the island. However, on 2 occasions (out of 25) the wind turbines were the sole generators with the diesels being shut down, and upon another 2 occasions the wind turbines were idle and the diesel generators provided all the island’s electricity. Over the six weeks the mean capacity factor of the wind turbines was 29%. Other sites would be less since King Island is well supplied with wind.

    There are a couple of salient points coming from this study:

    That it is possible to provide electricity for an isolated community such as King Is. using renewable energy, as long as there is sufficient diesel back-up to cover for times when there is little wind. If there weren’t the diesels one would have to have more wind turbines and a much larger battery capacity.

    That the projections of 60-70% of electricity would come from renewable sources are not supported by the data.

    There appeared to be little input from the 390 Kw of solar panels, perhaps some fault, but an estimate of input would be about 100 Kw per day in winter and 160 Kw over Summer.

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      Analitik

      Where do you get the $350 mil? AndyG55 found a KIRIEP page saying it was $46 million although the vanadium redox battery has been replaced since then by the Ecoult UltraBattery.

      The 2 “Diesel-UPS” units appear to be 500kW diesel generators with massive flywheels, controlled by frequency montoring of the grid. I have a strong suspicion that the periods when these diesels cut in are not included as diesel operation in the KIRIEP figures.

      The green crowd on the Whirlpool forum have been complaining about the solar not being reported for quite a while.

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      ianl8888

      What is neither reported or commented on here is the obvious question:

      HOW is the diesel generator takeup signalled ?

      By this, I mean who or what decides to start up the diesels ? Is there a dangerous time gap between the wind drop and the diesel startup ?

      I did a project on King Is. in 2005-2006. Despite the then “mix” of windmills, batteries and diesels, the diesels were on 90% of the time. The inhabitants of the island were extremely bland about the usefulness of the windmills.

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      Graham Richards

      If Coaltion opposition party’s want to make a change for the he betterment of state or conceivably federal electorates why don’t they come clean on energy generation??

      State & Federal government’s OWN the electricity generators and when they put up prices to subsidise the so called (PC) ” sustainable” energy they don’t as such blame the retailers, but hint that if we had more retailers (competition) that prices would be lower. NOTHING IS FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!

      The price of electricity is set by the generators, that is the state or Federal government. Why else would prices rise? The retailers automatically increase their prices to remain profitable & in business.

      Coal prices will not rise in the current world economic environment so why do prices increase??
      You don’t have to be an economics professor to work out that government is low on funds and a quick fix is to increase the already bloated INDIRECT TAXATION SYSTEM and simply at the stroke of a pen increase electricity price. Conveniently they can then blame the retailer and give us a lot of BS propaganda about climate change & the greed of the retailers.

      To those in opposition & would like to be in power simply tell the electorate the truth and make a commitment to re-regulate electricity and freeze prices for 5 years and increase prices only in relation to the CPI.

      Yeah!! Pigs will fly!

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    Robert O

    Sorry meant 100 Kwh and 160 KWh for the solar estimates.

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      KinkyKeith

      I was thinking you were reporting those figures as hourly averages for the 24 hrs.

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        ROM

        For the probabilities of the King Island renewable energy system working as advertised I suggest that a read of Euan Mearns latest post on his blog Energy Matters which does an analysis on the Scottish Inner Hebrides Island of Eigg

        The island of Eigg is about 31 sq Kms in area and has a permanent year round population of around 85 to 90 people with a large influx of tourists during the summer months.
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        The Eigg renewables project revisited

        Eigg’s generation sources;

        [ Quoted ]

        The increase in the percentage of diesel generation as hydro dries up in the summer months is evident. Also of interest is that in only five of the 53 months (March, October and November, 2009, October and December 2011) was Eigg able to get by with no diesel generation at all.
        Nevertheless, during the period shown – which covers 4 years and 5 months – renewables filled 84% of island demand, well in excess of comparable projects like King Island (65% projected but apparently yet to be achieved), Gorona del Viento (37% to the end of June 2016) and Gapa Island, Korea (32% after 5 years of operation).

        Figure 2 shows the data for the 13 month period between March 2012 and March 13, when renewables generation is broken down by source:

        [ Graph ]

        During this 13-month period Eigg supplied 82% of its electricity with renewables – 61% from hydro, 12% from wind and 9% from solar – ,although hydro generation dried up almost entirely in June and wind and solar could not come close to replacing it. At least some diesel generation was in fact needed to fill demand in all 13 months. Table 1 provides details on actual monthly generation, percentages-of-total and capacity factors (note that figures are approximate):

        &

        Concluding Comments:

        Despite its small size the Eigg system contains the basic ingredients common to all high-penetration renewables systems, such as energy storage and a smart grid. It also suffers from the same failings, chief among which are its dependence on weather conditions and inadequate energy storage capacity. The project is over-reliant on hydro generation, which dwindles or sometimes even dies out altogether every summer, and the 220kWh of battery storage is again orders of magnitude too small to allow surplus winter hydro to be stored for summer re-use. The hydro shortfalls could be eliminated by increasing solar and/or wind capacity by a factor or four or five, but this would result in substantial curtailment and reduce the system capacity factor even more. As a result Eigg will probably never be able to get rid of its diesel backup, although with 80-85% renewables penetration this is not a major issue.

        What is a major issue is that Eigg, like its sister projects at Gorona del Viento and King Island, requires hefty subsidies to make it pay. Renewable energy will never take off until it can stand economically on its own two feet.

        [ end quote ]
        ——-

        Total capital cost of this Eigg renewable energy project, almost all of it British taxpayer’s funds that is used by around 90 people in 38 households came to a total of 1,664,828 pounds [ AU$2,900,000 at today's exchange rate.]

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    Gary in Erko

    WUWT has an interesting article about a recent ABC Media Watch piece on the barrier reef.
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/07/23/a-response-to-abcs-media-watchs-shoot-the-coral-messenger-flimflam/

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      Peter C

      The objectivity of the ABC and Media Watch in particular is again in question

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        Analitik

        I thought there was no question at all that Media Watch is now totally leftist greenthink.

        I posted an apology to Jim Steele for his mistreatment

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      TdeF

      Very good reading. Some quotes.

      “Clearly Media Watch was trying to suppress a public discussion about the varying scientific opinions”

      “I became quite concerned for the Australian populace. If Media Watch was their watchdog, the fox is guarding the hen house.”

      “But Hoegh-Guldberg mistakenly equates his perspective the “scientific” perspective.”

      It is this last one which is of great concern, that someone has an opinion and calls on the ABC to belittle the reporter and the author because only one person has the truth. Only one person is the expert. This is “THE Science” and self proclaimed experts are never wrong.

      How then did hard science unqualified Tim Flannery become the media darling, Australian of the year, Climate Expert and Australian Chief Climate Commission with a very basic degree in English and a doctorate in ancient dead kangaroos?

      Richard Feynman also argued “Science is the belief in the Ignorance of Experts.” That would be Flannery and Hoegh-Goldberg then.

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        OriginalSteve

        Hey they gave Obama a Nobel for nasically just being a nice guy…so nothing surprises me…..

        Feynman also realised they were stacking raw radioactive material in the corners of 4 rooms that abutted each other…..
        Thankfully it never reach critical mass, but was close….

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    Analitik

    Let’s all give Sonia Kruger a big hand for having the courage to speak her mind in mainstream media over her concerns about Muslim immigrants. That Channel 9 management say she will keep her role in The Today Show is a good sign that PC is becoming less pervasive in parts of the MSM. Let’s hope they keep their word.

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    TdeF

    It’s not like the French to be grumpy.. from “The Telegraph”. Waits of 14 hours to cross the channel for British holiday makers.

    “Dover misery could last for two more days as holidaymakers are left stranded overnight after French put one border guard on
    duty

    So they have closed the Brexits?

    At least some satisfaction for the French as the British take home the prix of the Tour de France. Again.
    Plus the best young rider award.

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      Analitik

      7 stage wins too – can’t see any of the remaining Brits winning on the Champs Elysees unless a miracle happens and the suicidal breakaway succeeds with a Brit winning from the group.

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      TdeF

      Someone’s reading.

      The Telegraph now carries the byline “French facing accusations of triggering Dover chaos in ‘revenge’ for Brexit.
      Yes, they have closed all the BREXITS, punishing the ordinary people motoring holiday to Europe. This nonsense has been going on since 1066 when the Danish Harold and the Norwegian William fought for control of England. No EU then.

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    el gordo

    ‘#Brexit and climate scaremonger and soon, we suspect, not to be IMF chief, Christine Lagarde is to stand trial over a 404 million euro payment of taxpayers money to controversial tycoon Bernard Tapie, who supported former president Nicolas Sarkozy.’

    Tallbloke’s Talkshop

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    ROM

    Just a bit of history from the days of long ago, the late 1950′s in fact.

    Every now and then we get yet another blast on melting ice caps, the Greenland Ice Cap sliding into the ocean or was that the West Antarctic Ice cap.
    But as everybody knows today of course, the Greenland Ice Cap is just too high and too severe in weather and climate for anybody to survive there for long periods

    Well way back in the late 1950′s at the height of the Cold War with the USSR and through until about 1966 there were some 200 men living continuously under all that ice some 150 miles [ 240 kms ] inland from the Thule Airforce base in NW Greenland and 800 miles [ 1300 kms] from the North Pole or a bit less in distance than the almost direct route between Sydney and Adelaide.
    And all of them were totally dependent on a small real nuclear reactor to keep them comfortable.

    It was all an American Army operation called “Project Iceworm” complete with an under ice city called Camp Century where it was proposed to create a system of some 4000 kms of under ice tunnels to install up to 600 nuclear equipped missiles aimed at the Soviet Union and its satellites.

    “Camp Century” was established to test the feasibility of this concept.

    It was built by US Army engineers in 1959 and was manned by the Army and then a handful of ice field researchers until about 1964 when the nuclear reactor was removed and the site closed down as the ice pressure destroyed the under ice structures much faster than anticipated and the Cold War wound down as destalinisation and economic pressures took hold in the USSR where over 50% of the USSR’s budget was being spent on its armed forces.

    It is a little difficult today to get a coherent account of the entire story of Camp Century today as it was all classified information until a decade or so ago but if you would like to get some more information on this quite fascinating project from the past, the following links cover most of what is known on Camp Century and the building of it along with both the installation of the nuke reactor and its removal.;
    .

    Camp Century : Top Secret US Arctic Nuclear Base in Greenland -Classified Documentary
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    Inside the Army’s Secret Cold War Ice Base
    The photos on this site are repeated but somewhat scattered about elsewhere.
    .

    Camp Century Greenland by a guy who was there and the removal of the nuclear reactor.
    .

    This link is a restored and fascinating 31 minute long American Army [ YouTube ] film on the building of “Camp Century” under the Greenland ice cap.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ujx_pND9wg

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    pat

    from ClimateDepot…read all:

    23 Jul: BournemouthEchoUK: Catherine Bolado: Scientist James Lovelock: “It’s easier to save Dorset than the planet”
    Chatting down the phone from his west Dorset home, the 96-year-old is everything (as a surprisingly nervous science geek) you hope he will be – witty, insightful and engaging…
    He was pleased the Navitus Bay wind farm development didn’t get the go ahead, as the energy that would be produced “wouldn’t be very reliable.”
    A more sensible idea would be to create a solar farm in the Sahara, he suggested. This would create enough energy for Europe, but was unlikely to happen, Mr Lovelock added.
    Climate and energy production is not surprisingly one of his main concerns. But as to predictions about the future, he is far less certain, saying: “I think anyone that tries to predict more than five to ten years ahead is a bit of an idiot, so many things can change unexpectedly.” …

    So should we be trying to save the world? Or perhaps we should look closer to home?
    “Don’t try and save the world, it’s pure hubris. We might be able to save Dorset. I don’t know how we do it. It’s up to us. I think it’s easier to save Dorset than the planet.”
    Adding: “There’s one thing to keep in mind here. We don’t need to save the planet, it’s looked after itself for four billion years. It’s always been habitable and things have lived on it, so why worry.”
    http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/14626537.Scientist_James_Lovelock___It___s_easier_to_save_Dorset_than_the_planet_/

    found this elsewhere, but ClimateDepot has it too.

    Change.org: Petitioning US Department of State
    Remove air conditioning from all US State Department property.
    Hopalong Ginsberg United States
    WHEREAS, Secretary of State John F. Kerry has suggested that air conditioners are as big a threat as ISIS, and
    WHEREAS, it is the duty of our elected and appointed government officials to lead by example,
    THEREFORE, we call upon the U.S. Department of State to remove air conditioning from all property that the Department owns, rents, or otherwise employs, including but not limited to embassies, consulates, office buildings, etc., all vehicles owned and/or operated by the Department, and any other property, real or movable, owned, rented, or otherwise employed by the Department….ETC
    https://www.change.org/p/remove-air-conditioning-from-all-us-state-department-property

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    pat

    comment #7 is in moderation.

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    Analitik

    The combination of the increasing Duck Curve, the closure of the Aliso Canyon gas storage facility and the summer heat has started to stress the LA grid. Last Monday as it got up to 112 Farenheit (44 deg Celcius), emergency measures were taken and residences were urged to minimise power consumption limiting it to 5000 households being blacked out.

    Lucky that the Diablo Canyon nuclear plant (2.2 GW) is still running but San Onfre (2.1 GW) would be very handy if they’d fixed the steam generators instead of shutting the whole place down.

    What the Duck Curve Says About Renewable Energy
    California faces summer blackout risk amid gas shortage

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      Roy Hogue

      And here I sit, with temperatures the last two days hovering around 100° F (38° C). 102 was the highest I saw, which, by the way, is not outside of previous experience here, even if it is a bit unusual. My Crepe Myrtle tree, which absolutely loves the heat is looking spectacular.

      Fortunately the same distribution circuit that serves me also serves the local hospital and hospitals are going to be the last things they shut down. So during past hot summers I’ve never lost power.

      Also fortunately, during most summer conditions we’re subject to the cooler onshore breeze off the ocean which makes us as much as 5 or 10 and sometimes 15 degrees cooler than just a few miles farther east. Unfortunately the condition that’s causing this heat wave also stops that nice onshore breeze. You can’t win them all. The weather bends to no mans will, Al Gore notwithstanding.

      What has cut me off several times is someone taking out a power pole with his car. The line runs right next to one of the two major streets into this area for just far enough to be a tempting target.

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      tom0mason

      That is today’s madness, demand has to fit available generated power.

      Just think for decades the customer demand dictated (to a large degree) the deployment of power generation. When more was needed more was supplied. The customer paid for what they consumed.
      All good, stable, and reasonably obvious to the consumer what they were getting was what they paid for.
      To do this electricity companies accurately predicted, through models, the demand based on histories of demand going back decades. Factors such as weather, population changes, etc., were part of the model. By this means the correct number of generators were deployed to cover the demand, and some spare capacity just in case there was a spike in demand, and mostly customers happy most of the time.
      To a large extent –
      The customer demand dictated the supply availability.

      Today we are moving to supply-side regulation of demand.
      You’ll get what you are given, like it or not!
      You the customer must now fit your demand to the generator’s requirements. With wind and solar ‘in the mix’ the utility companies want to reduce your demand when these ‘unreliables’ are not running — and you pay and, please to ramp up your demand the demand when the ‘unreliables’ are running to keep the grid stable — and you pay. Oh, and if the ‘unreliables’ generate excess for whatever reason it is uselessly dumped — and you pay because to allow it on the grid destabilizes the grid and everyone loses.

      Of course trying to find out what you’re paying for from you electricity supplier fraught as the system is now very complex. When are the conventional generators covering to stabilize the grid from the random output of the windfarms? How was that paid for?
      Everyday the system is used this way is a gamble on the grid’s integrity surviving. And the grid is the most important component in the whole system.
      Supply-side regulation of demand, how is that working for you? Paying more getting less?

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        Roy Hogue

        So far I’m getting all I want to use. But I think trouble is just around the corner.

        My wife likes to watch some of the BBC and Australian productions that PBS runs on Sunday evenings. Yesterday after one of them we were subjected to about a 5 minute harangue on the terrible danger of global warming and how we must change our ways. It was complete with the, “97% of scientists agree,” fallacy to nail the lid on the coffin of energy use as we know it.

        Now PBS (the Public Broadcasting System) accepts no advertising, they live on donations, some of it from pretty big spenders but all of it is donations. Unlike NPR (National Public Radio) they get no government subsidy. So from whence cometh this 5 minute completely one sided propaganda piece? PBS has taken on an advocacy role, something they were created to avoid. You were not supposed to be subjected to the positions of advertisers while watching a PBS station. They are in fact, nonprofit corporations which are forbidden by law from advocacy, especially something as politically charged as this. There was a web site given at the end so I suspect there’s someone with an agenda pushing PBS to run this kind of stuff. They should fact check first. But why would they? After all, it comes from someone with the appearance of authority, in this case 97% of scientists.

        Where is the IRS when you need it to do its job the right way instead of the wrong?

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          Roy Hogue

          The evident reason that PBS runs so much BBC and Australian produced stuff is that they don’t have the money available to do the job themselves (no government subsidy). You won’t see hit series like NCIS coming from PBS. But they will run garbage when asked by some nonprofit. The web site I mentioned was .org. I wish I had written it down so I could go there and see what they have to say for themselves but I wasn’t quick enough to go get pencil and paper. Nuts!

          The audience that PBS has is exactly the people who need to hear the other side. But they’ll never get it.

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            Roy Hogue

            I should mention that the Aussie produced program is the most interesting and by far the best of the several we watch. I missed the opening and the credits of the first several episodes I watched and would have thought the same as my wife did, that it was BBC until I started hearing familiar city names and knew they were in Oz, not the UK. Then I paid closer attention to the credits.

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    James Murphy

    These gentlemen are almost certainly the wrong gender, age, religion, and skin colour to warrant support from the Victorian state government.

    Not that I expect a government to support every cause there is, but when I read stories of suicide being prevented by such programmes, then I tend to think they are worthy of support – far more so than any “environmental” causes being championed by the ignorant and sanctimonious inner-Melbourne Greens voters.

    I can also just imagine that the petty-minded, self-important bureaucrats on a federal, state, and local level felt quite pleased with themselves at the thought that they had stuck to the rules, and had done “a good job” here.

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      Yonniestone

      You’re spot on James, I’ve had a little to do with “Mens Sheds” and while the structure might vary a bit between them the underlying theme is the forgotten Australians that due to any number of circumstances dealt out in life seem to slip through the cracks of society, which is not surprising considering the thin veneer that passes for a society today.

      Looking at your link made me think of my father who is not much older, he worked so hard to give us kids a good chance in life that he is physically worn out not that you would know as I never heard him complain once about his lot in life, such are men like this it drives you to be a better person and to appreciate what a great country we were gifted by selfless men and women.

      I strive to teach these values to the younger generation where possible and lead by example, nobody’s perfect but there’s no harm in bettering yourself, in a Nation influenced by shallow people the men and women that made a difference should not be forgotten, these people and the young are what drove me and my wife to get behind the patriot movement, not racism, phobias or thuggery but a genuine love of our Nation and it’s people and the will to see it spread into the hearts and minds of all Australians.

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    DMA

    A note of thanks and “The rest of the Story”
    The other day I asked about a story claiming a 20 deg. temperature change in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem. Several here suggested misinterpreted data or typos. Jo thought it could be a font error. Jo is the winner. I checked the e version of the paper and it shows 2 degrees using the small raised “o” everywhere it is mentioned. The process of getting from the submitted version to the printed one changed the little o to a 0.Thanks to all who helped me out on this.

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    handjive

    Once a thriving port that dominated the Mediterranean, at least 2000 years ago Pavlopetri was mysteriously lost to the waves.

    Discovered in 1967, nestled in a natural harbour just off the southern Greek coast, this is the oldest submerged city in the world.

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    pat

    what a surprise…not:

    Dismayed by Donald Trump, Michael Bloomberg Will Endorse Clinton
    Highly Cited-New York Times-6 hours ago

    Mike Bloomberg returns from political retirement to back Clinton: Report
    CNBC‎ – 4 hours ago

    Bloomberg set to address Democratic National Convention, endorse Clinton
    Fox News – ‎6 hours ago‎

    24 Jul: Forbes: Beware of High Profile Endorsements in 2016
    by John Zogby, veteran pollster
    As I am posting this on Forbes, word is out that former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg will endorse Hillary Clinton for President very soon. Under normal circumstances, this would be very significant for the former Secretary of State. Clinton is about to be nominated but is in a very tight race with Donald Trump, something that should not be happening. She should be trouncing him. Her problem is that she is not producing any real excitement among younger voters nor those on the fence, and she is also not doing well among self-described independents – about one third of whom are undecided…
    But this endorsement will not mean much of anything for a bunch of reasons. First of all, it was all too predictable. Bloomberg has been a Democrat most of his life, became a late-in-life “New York City Republican” in order to run on the Rudy Giuliani mantle in 2001, and is very liberal on most issues. Second, Bloomberg was a good government policy guy and to think that he would endorse Trump was never even a fantasy…
    Third, Bloomberg the billionaire is a treasure of the New York elite, something the Clintons redefined their lives and moved their bodies to become…
    If Bloomberg had chosen to endorse Trump that would have been the man bites dog story. Instead, ho hum…
    It is only going to make her look more as she already does – as a member of an elite of politicians who is “responsible for the way I am today.” This is among the reasons why Donald Trump is so formidable and should not be dismissed. As many pundits scoffed that Trump could not find GOP party leaders willing to speak for him at last week’s convention and that he had to rely on his family for validation, that may ultimately prove to be his ace in the hole this year. Railing against the machine can prove to be much more useful, in the final analysis, than getting that machine’s endorsement.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2016/07/24/beware-of-high-profile-endorsements-in-2016/#3ec2aea8538d

    and having Bloomberg’s CAGW Risky Business partner & one of the main architects of the 2008 financial crash endorse you, ditto:

    George W. Bush’s Former Treasury Secretary (Hank Poulson) Will Vote For Hillary
    TIME-25 Jun. 2016

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      Once those swing voters hear about Bloomberg’s limits on fizzy-drink sizing they’ll flock to Hillary. Especially when they learn how Giuliani totally missed this huge issue when he was fussing over trivia like crime and urban decay.

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      theRealUniverse

      Let the crims endorse the crims!

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    Retired Now

    A year ago or so I found it almost impossible to find people who thought like me and this site was almost completely about climate change – as it was intended – but I was seriously starting to think I must be deluded not to go along with what everyone else thought – TV, radio, schools, universities, politicians, etc.

    I am very, very pleased to find I am no longer alone. Firstly I discovered Whale Oil (a New Zealand website), the Australian Liberty Alliance, then Breitbart, then Brexit occurred and the rise of Trump with great challenges to the SJW/progressive leftie dominant ideas. I’m no longer alone in my ideas – its a bit of a relief.

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    OriginalSteve

    Any thoughts….?

    This is a bit desperate I’d have thought, given the IPCC said glaciers were retreating..oh hang on….er….

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/climate-change-the-third-pole-under-threat/7657672

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    cedarhill

    20% is a number that almost always reflects the percentage of Left-leaning in the US population. This aligns exactly to the Pareto Principle to explain the current political environment where it appears that 80% of the problems are caused by 20% of the people. Science…

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    Peter Yates

    The high seas and storm surge during the last weekend (23/24 July) in the vicinity of Wellington, New Zealand, was due to very low air pressures, which occurs naturally during that type of storm. There is a large bulge of seawater just above the normal sea level since there is less pressure pushing down on the sea. The surge is at the leading edge of the storm. It will happen whether or not there is any climate change, which is suggested by the Green Party in this article: .. http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/5/258378

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    el gordo

    Trump and Xi Jinping have a lot in common, they are a couple of larrikins.

    http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/why-xi-jinping-might-get-on-well-with-donald-trump/

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