JoNova

A science presenter, writer, speaker & former TV host; author of The Skeptic's Handbook (over 200,000 copies distributed & available in 15 languages).


Handbooks

The Skeptics Handbook

Think it has been debunked? See here.

The Skeptics Handbook II

Climate Money Paper


Advertising

micropace


GoldNerds

The nerds have the numbers on precious metals investments on the ASX



Archives

Sea level hyperbole: CSIRO, BOM, ABC and Kiribati President should apologize for wasting our time

Minister Peter Dutton made a joke about Pacific Islander time. The Offendotrons howled and called for him to be sacked. But the real problem here is not the small 1mm rise in sea-levels, it’s the the national media end up discussing global “offense” levels rather than sea levels. The scientific data shows there is no issue. Australian taxpayers pay the ABC, the CSIRO and the BOM to inform the Australian public, yet none of them explained that the real sea level rise recorded in Kiribati is less than 1 mm a year. Why not?  The ABC does not clear the fog for Australians, it generates it. Dutton apologized, but he shouldn’t have. It feeds the offendotrons. They didn’t accept it, won’t stop referring to his comment, nor start talking about real problems. Apologizing only extends the time our national conversation is wasted on mindless things.

Yet again, the unfunded bloggers report the scientific data and not the institutes we pay to do that?

Noting that today’s meeting to discuss the resettlement of refugees was running late, Mr Dutton quipped that it was running to “Cape York time”, to which the Prime Minister replied: “We had a bit of that up in Port Moresby.”

Mr Dutton riposted: “Time doesn’t mean anything when you’re about to have water lapping at your door.”

The president of Kiribati has since called the joke “vulgar” and “quite unbecoming of leadership”.

The president of Kiribati has lashed out at Immigration Minister Peter Dutton, labelling him morally irresponsible for making a “vulgar” joke about rising sea levels in the Pacific.

Responding more in “sadness” than anger, Anote Tong said Mr Dutton has “got to search his own soul”.

“What kind of a person is he? As long as there is this kind of attitude, this kind of arrogance in any position of leadership, we will continue to have a lot of tension,” he said.

But what’s unbecoming of a leader is panicking his own people about a 1mm sea level rise, which appears to have little to do with CO2. What’s vulgar is people demanding money for a threat that barely exists. The people who need to “search their souls” are the scientists at the CSIRO and BOM, who are supposed to serve the Australian public and their elected leaders and who know the tide gauges don’t support the scare — but these scientists say nothing.

Australian foreign aid to Kiribati is $27 million for 2015/16 (which is equivalent to 15% of nominal GDP, for its population of 103,000 people).  Are they grateful?

Did the Pacific Islanders who were late apologize?

Sea levels are rising at a very unscary 1mm a year

According to 1000 tide gauges, globally, sea levels are rising slowly at around 1mm a year. The rise started long before human CO2 output increased, and there is no sign of acceleration with rapidly increasing human emissions of CO2. Careful analysis of 60 beaches in Northern Europe to find one of the most stable gauges in the world agrees.  The Topex/Poseidon satellite sea-level data set also showed similar rates until they were adjusted up to fit climate models (or one sinking gauge in Hong Kong). Likewise the Envisat sea-level satellite data was also adjusted up. Vincent Gray graphed sea level around many South Pacific Islands. There is no CO2 induced disaster.

According to Kiribati long term sea level rise data is available from the Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level. Eyes On Browne, has graphed the five original datasets from Kiribati tide gauges going back to 1949 showing a long term trend of 0.8mm, which is similar to the global sea level rise shown by all the other gauges.

Kiribati Sea Level, Tide gauges, South Pacific.

Kiribati Sea Level, Tide gauges, South Pacific, 1949 – 2014. | Click to enlarge

The NOAA mean sea levels of Kanton Island Kiribati shows 0.6mm/ year rise from 1949 -2007 (PSMSL).

The Australian government cut its foreign aid budget recently and funneled more money to the UN climate program instead. The Pacific Islanders would  probably get more from  Australia if the money came direct from our government, rather than being filtered through more layers of bureaucrats.

 

REFERENCES

PSMLS: Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level

South Pacific Sea Level and Climate Monitoring Project [Bureau of Meteorology]

Michael Beenstock, Daniel Felsenstein,*Eyal Frank & Yaniv Reingewertz, (2014)  Tide gauge location and the measurement of global sea level rise,  Environmental and Ecological Statistics, May 2014

 

Related Posts on Sea level:

VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
Rating: 9.3/10 (41 votes cast)
Sea level hyperbole: CSIRO, BOM, ABC and Kiribati President should apologize for wasting our time, 9.3 out of 10 based on 41 ratings

Tiny Url for this post: http://tinyurl.com/pquomf3

54 comments to Sea level hyperbole: CSIRO, BOM, ABC and Kiribati President should apologize for wasting our time

  • #

    You can’t really blame the islanders for this, they just want to be on the gravy train like everyone else, so they have to show deep and troubling concern over these things to be seen as good warming worriers.

    102

    • #
      ColA

      Its nice to see that the DATA, the “ACTUAL PYHSICAL MEASUREMENTS” prove there is minimal evidence of SLR in Kiribati and that this SLR dose not correlate with CAGW.

      Just 1 thing to confirm:- Scientific data (UNAJUSTED!) to confirm there is no subsidence or rising of the land mass.

      As professionals, we should always start from a confirmed BASE LINE!!
      :-) :-)

      41

    • #
      ColA

      Perhaps EVERYONE should ask the Kiribati President if he was IGNORANT (poorly informed) of the ACTUAL tide data for his islands or was HE on the CAGW bandwagon for as much of the gravy as he could get!!

      51

  • #

    You can’t really blame the islanders, they also want to be on the gravy train, so they have to show deep and troubling concern over these things in order to be seen as good climate worriers.

    Apologies if this runs twice, but something went astray with the first post.

    141

    • #
      Ross

      You are right bemused.
      It always makes me laugh when I see the Maldive Islands being held up as the “poster child” for the sea level issue. On the one hand their leaders are milking AGW for all it is worth but on the other they are extending airports and building new expensive tourist resort hotels etc.

      181

      • #
        AndyG55

        “On the one hand their leaders are milking AGW for all it is worth”

        So YES, a poster child for AGW

        111

        • #
          tom0mason

          But no one mentions the massive population rise over the 20th century, and all the buildings/infrastructure that requires.
          From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kiribati

          Year Pop. ±%
          1921 3,122 —
          1931 29,751 +852.9%
          1947 31,513 +5.9%
          1963 43,336 +37.5%
          1973 51,926 +19.8%
          1978 56,213 +8.3%
          1985 63,883 +13.6%
          1990 72,335 +13.2%
          1995 77,658 +7.4%
          2000 84,494 +8.8%
          2005 92,533 +9.5%
          2010 103,058 +11.4%
          Last UN Estimate (July 1, 2015) 105,555 with over 30 new islanders born every day.

          Why is the population expanding so fast if the islands are rapidly shrinking?

          151

      • #
        Manfred

        Ross, The Maldives appear more than a poster child for a variety of ‘climate related’ issues it seems, or at least according to The Independent in London today.

        Whether by the UN or by their alter ego, the Maldivian populous must be considered a fairly receptive bunch.

        61

    • #

      Who do you blame, then? If the islanders are crying out for income redistribution, seems to me they are guilty. Wanting money from the gravy train is wrong no matter who does it. Taking from producers and giving to the non-producing is wrong. Asking for that to be done is wrong.

      20

  • #

    Minister Dutton… we’ll see in a few hours.

    Idiots if you ask me and not just because of personal impacts.

    bah

    24

  • #
    john karajas

    Darwin recognised that coral islands experience sedimentary aggradation in response to rising sea levels and, as a consequence, do not fall below sea level way back in the 19th century. This has been an acknowledged scientific fact ever since then. If anybody doubts it, just go and read a standard geological textbook. This unlearning of good, valid scientific knowledge is a disgrace!

    181

    • #
      ColA

      John,

      I am sure we would all be interested to read more about “sedimentary aggradation in response to rising sea levels” could you please provide some links??

      10

  • #
    Bulldust

    O/topic, the Libs have shown they learnt nothing from the R-G-R debacle… Turnbull has called for a leadership ballot:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-14/malcolm-turnbull-julie-bishop-liberal-leadership-ballot-blog/6774546

    Assuming Turnbull wins, the ETS will be straight back on the table.

    110

  • #
    Turtle of WA

    Get ready for Turnbull heroics in Paris. It’s the Rudd nightmare all over again.

    140

  • #
    Doug Killeen

    Nobody, including the panel on Insiders yesterday, questioned the statement by Tanya Plibersek “They’re (the pacific islander nations)are worried about storm surges eating away at their nations, that they can’t grow crops, that they can’t get freshwater, that we’re seeing climate change refugees leave their homeland. No data, no evidence. Just more dogma. If you tell a lie often enough it will eventually be believed especially if no one questions it especially the last claim.

    132

  • #
  • #
    Rob JM

    You should not be defending that idiot. The joke was about poor people suffering, disgusting and inexcusable! The fact it was in the context of the global BS scam is irrelevant. If he had said “Time is irrelevant when you have rubbish dumps to scavenge!” then you would understand how sick the comment really is.

    111

  • #
    William

    This non issue is a case in point as to why Tony Abbott has to go and the government needs to grow a spine. Any mildly competent government would have laughed off this criticism, and told the critics where to insert it. Instead, this bunch of duds apologise and beg to be forgiven.
    However, The Manchurian Candidate Turnbull has just announced his coup.
    While it is true that Tony Abbott has to go, replacing him with Turnbull will be the equivalent of replacing Tweedle Dee with Tweedle Dum.
    Have I mentioned that we are screwed?

    102

  • #
    pat

    News Ltd continue to play their part – Shanahan makes it sound like there’s no alternative to Abbott going:

    14 Sept: Michael Smith News: Malcolm Turnbull has met with Prime Minister Abbott to call for a leadership ballot
    excerpts from comment by Ulla -
    THE AUSTRALIAN SEPTEMBER 14, 2015 4:24PM
    Dennis Shanahan
    Announcing his resignation from the cabinet, Turnbull turned on Abbott spearing his credibility and leadership such that it will be ***impossible for Abbott to govern in any effective way even if he wins a ballot…
    Turnbull has forced his colleagues to choose between him and a now chronically injured Prime Minister who can be harried and destroyed by Labor, using the words of a ***popular alternative leader…
    http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2015/09/malcolm-turnbull-has-met-with-prime-minister-abbott-to-call-for-a-leadership-ballott.html#comments

    40

  • #
    pat

    14 Sept: ABC: Mark Scott confirms he will step down as ABC managing director in 2016
    In the interim, Mr Scott will focus on a number of major projects and his commitment to ensuring the ABC continues to serve the nation as the independent home of Australian conversations, culture and stories…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-14/mark-scott-abc-managing-director-announces-he-will-step-down/6774236

    30

  • #
    Mike

    It’s on again Jo time to fire up on the emails and phone calls folks. Abbott may not be great but a liberal party led by the minister for Goldman Sachs will never get my vote

    Tony Abbott leadership: PM wants the people to judge government

    The Australian
    September 14, 2015 4:55PM
    Save
    Print
    David Crowe
    Political correspondent
    Canberra
    https://plus.google.com/101091338212849916588
    Jared Owens
    Reporter
    Canberra
    https://plus.google.com/116039583906467076146

    Malcolm Turnbull has challenged Prime Minister Tony Abbott for the Liberal Party leadership.

    4.59pm: Tony Abbott is expected to contest a leadership ballot following Malcolm Turnbull’s challenge, Dennis Shanahan reports.

    The Prime Minister is expected to make his position clear soon after meeting with with staunch supporters such as Kevin Andrews, Eric Abetz and Mathias Corman.

    Some of Mr Abbott’s supporters believe, despite the claims of Mr Turnbull’s supporters, that there has not been a great deal of change in his support.

    4.58pm: Jeff Kennett has taken a savage swipe at Malcolm Turnbull, accusing the leadership aspirant of being selfish and undisciplined.

    Using his twitter account, Mr Kennett today likened Mr Turnbull to former Labor prime minister Kevin Rudd and of ignoring the government’s successes.

    “Malcolm Turnbull, You self centered, selfish individual. It has always been about you,’’ he tweeted.

    “You selfish undisciplined individual. If you win the spill you lose. You have ignored the Govts (sic) wins and put your own interests above all.’’

    The tirade was delivered over three tweets and sparked a swift response on social media, both for and against Mr Kennett’s sentiments.

    WATCH SKY NEWS’ COVERAGE OF THE LEADERSHIP CRISIS HERE
    Play
    -:-:-
    LIVE
    Fullscreen
    Mute
    Up Next

    Now Streaming

    4.55pm: Prime Minister Tony Abbott is holding a media conference shortly, Sky News reports.

    4.32pm: Malcolm Turnbull has challenged Tony Abbott for the Liberal leadership, promising “advocacy, not slogans” and a leadership that “respects the people’s intelligence” if he succeeds the Prime Minister.

    Sky News says a ballot could happen tomorrow morning.

    Dennis Shanahan says that by challenging Mr Abbott now, Turnbull has ‘gone for the jugular’

    4.12pm: Promising “a new style of leadership”, Mr Turnbull, who has resigned as Communications Minister, said Mr Abbott’s continued leadership would see the “catastrophically reckless” Bill Shorten elected as prime minister.

    “This course of action has been urged on me by many people over a long period of time. It is clear enough that the government is not successful in providing the economic leadership that we need.

    “It is not the fault of individual ministers. Ultimately, the Prime Minister has not been capable of providing the economic leadership our nation needs. He has not been capable of providing the economic confidence that business needs.”

    Mr Turnbull said the country faced enormous economic challenges.

    “We need a different style of leadership. We need a style of leadership that explains those challenges and opportunities, explains the challenges and how to seize the opportunities – a style of leadership that respects the people’s intelligence, that explains these complex issues and then sets out the course of action we believe we should take and makes a case for it.

    “We need advocacy, not slogans. We need to respect the intelligence of the Australian people.”

    Turnbull’s move risks the Liberal Party’s future, Dennis Shanahan writes

    Malcolm Turnbull holds a press conference at Parliament House in Canberra, announcing his challenge to Tony Abbott.

    “This is not a decision that anyone could take lightly.”

    Mr Turnbull said he made the decision after consulting with party colleagues and many Liberal supporters in every walk of life.

    “It is clear enough that the government is not successful in providing the economic leadership that we need,” he said.

    Mr Turnbull said it was clear that the Abbott government would be trounced at a general election.

    “The one thing that is clear about our current situation is the trajectory. We have lost 30 Newspolls in a row. It is clear that the people have made up their mind about Mr Abbott’s leadership,” he said.

    “We are maybe 10 months, 11 months away from the next election. Every month lost is a month of lost opportunities. We have to make a change for our country’s sake, for the government’s sake, for the party’s sake.”

    Mr Turnbull also called for a return to “open government” that recognises the wisdom of MPs and the broader public.

    “We need to restore traditional Cabinet government; there must be an end to policy on the run and captain’s calls,” he said.

    “John Howard’s government most of us served in, and yet few would say that the cabinet government of Mr Abbott bears any similarity to the style of Mr Howard.

    “Our party, the Liberal Party, has the right values … of free enterprise, of individual initiative, of freedom; this is what you need to be a successful agile economy in 2015.”

    The Aussie dollar has fallen to its lowest levels of the day following Mr Turnbull’s leadership move against the Prime Minister, dropping from US70.91 to US70.60c in less than an hour after the news of the leadership spill broke.

    Earlier this morning the currency peaked at US71.36c, its highest level since September 1.

    4.08pm: Malcolm Turnbull and Julie Bishop have joined forces to ask Tony Abbott to call a meeting of the Liberal Party as soon as possible to decide his fate, telling him he has lost the confidence of the party room.

    Ms Bishop approached the Prime Minister before Question Time to tell him that he no longer had the support of their Liberal colleagues.

    “A little while ago I met with the prime minister and advised him that I would be challenging him for the leadership of the Liberal Party,” he told reporters at Parliament House today.

    Mr Turnbull approached Mr Abbott as both left Question Time to relay a similar message – and ask that a meeting be called to settle the matter.

    One minister who supports Mr Turnbull told The Australian there was a “high probability” of change if and when a vote was arranged.

    A key factor has been the decision of the Foreign Minister to take the concerns of the backbench directly to Mr Abbott.

    The Australian was told that Social Services Minister Scott Morrison has not joined his two colleagues in taking this message to Mr Abbott, but is not standing in the way.

    Mr Turnbull has asked Mr Abbott to call a meeting but the timing is up to the Prime Minister, with no announcement on when it might be.

    A letter is being prepared for MPs to demand a meeting if Mr Abbott is reluctant to call a meeting.

    Leadership speculation

    Tony Abbott intends to submit his leadership for “the judgment of the people” at an election, rather than by his colleagues in what he termed the “Canberra game”.

    The Prime Minister is being urged to stare down his enemies in a looming leadership battle as MPs shift their support towards Malcolm Turnbull and prepare the ground for a spill motion within weeks to decide Mr Abbott’s fate.

    Mr Abbott’s allies have warned him against “taking the bait” and forcing a crisis after days of growing agitation against him ahead of the resumption of parliament today and a meeting of the full ministry in Canberra tonight.

    But some ministers believe a move to replace Mr Abbott is “absolutely inevitable” because he has failed to deliver on a pledge to colleagues in February to restore the government’s fortunes within six months.

    Mr Abbott, speaking in Adelaide today, said he refused to become “caught up in Canberra gossip”.

    “I know that sometimes the media particularly like to play the Canberra game but I’m not going to get involved in it,” the Prime Minister said.

    “My job is to do what the public elected me to do two years ago, and that is to govern effectively every day for three years and then submit myself to the judgment of the people.

    “But I expect that the government will go to the middle of next year and maybe a bit beyond because that’s what we were elected to do three years ago.”

    Asked if he was worried about the Liberals’ prospects in South Australia, Mr Abbott said: “I’m worried about being the best possible Prime Minister.”

    Leadership spill? What the politicians have said today

    Treasurer Joe Hockey said he “always has, always will” support the Prime Minister, whom he described as “the most selfless and dedicated person I have met in politics”.

    “We go back a long way and I know Tony Abbott is absolutely dedicated to the best interests of the nation. I have absolutely no doubt about that,” Mr Hockey told Melbourne radio station 3AW.

    Dumped speaker Bronwyn Bishop has declined to endorse Tony Abbott as leader, saying she believes there is “enough speculation as it is” surrounding his position.

    Asked several times whether the Prime Minister retained her support, Ms Bishop said she would not add to the commentary.

    “I think there is enough commentary around without me adding to anything,” she said.

    Social Services Minister Scott Morrison said this morning he had “no idea” if a leadership challenge was inevitable.

    He also declined to join calls for rival Malcolm Turnbull to rule out a challenge for the leadership position.

    “They are matters for him, I am not here to commentate on what others should do, I am focused on the job that I am doing and supporting a government that is doing a great job for Australia,” he said.

    Assistant Immigration Minister Michaelia Cash said she would not comment on the current round of destabilisation, saying: “I support the leader”.

    “I am not going to engage in leadership speculation,” she said.

    West Australian Liberal MP Dennis Jensen, who backed February’s spill against Mr Abbott, said the leadership rumblings were “media speculation”.

    Liberal whip Andrew Nikolic last Friday sent a text message to Mr Turnbull demanding he publicly declare support for the Prime Minister’s leadership.

    Finance Minister Mathias Cormann, asked if Mr Turnbull should publicly pledge support for Mr Abbott, described the Communications Minister as a “highly valued senior colleague”.

    “I’m not going to give advice to any of my colleagues through the media,” Senator Cormann told ABC Radio.

    “All of us — we are professional politicians — all of us know what we need to do in order to do our job to the best of our ability.

    “As far as I’m concerned, Tony Abbott enjoys the strong and overwhelming support of the party room.”

    Bill Shorten said the instability proved the “terrible dysfunction at the heart” of the government.

    “It’s not which salesman the Liberal Party pick that matters to Australia, it’s what they’re trying to sell Australians,” the Opposition Leader said.

    “Growth is down, unemployment is up, confidence is down and all we see is this ugly spectacle of Mr Abbott trying to save his job and other people in his own party, the Liberal Party, tearing Mr Abbott down.”

    Opposition frontbencher Michelle Rowland said: “I don’t care who they have as their leader; this is the same mob with the same policies.”

    Liberal parliamentary secretary Steven Ciobo denied his colleagues were immersed in leadership chatter, telling ABC Radio: “I have no doubt that Tony Abbott will lead us to the next election.”

    Assistant Education Minister Simon Birmingham, a moderate within the Liberal Party, declined to fuel the leadership speculation but described Mr Turnbull as “a great member of the team”.

    “We have our challenges in terms of what’s happened around the world with the slowdown in China, with the dropping of iron ore prices — they are of course putting pressure on different things — but jobs growth is still strong and that is fundamental,” Senator Birmingham said.

    “Many things are claimed by people at times to be inevitable; I don’t think you can ever say that anything outside of elections and budgets in politics are necessarily inevitable.”

    31

  • #
    nezysquared

    Jo – in all the vast discussions of climate / sea level / temperature variablity etc I rarely see or hear any reference to chaos theory or the work of Edward Lorenz. It seems to me on the face of it that these massively complex systems are as close to totally chaotic as they could be and thwart the best efforts not only of our scientists but also politicians in trying to pin down any sort of definitive argument. Do you think there is a reason behind this – perhaps we are attempting to frame arguments in terms more easily or comparatively understood by the layman?

    11

  • #
    Mike

    Australian Federal Members of Parliament (Coalition) 2015

    The Australian Parliament official page for contacting Senators and Members.

    Thanks to Michael for this list Feb 2015 which was used on these posts.

    john.alexander.mp@aph.gov.au karen.andrews.mp@aph.gov.au menzies@aph.gov.au (Kevin Andrews) Bob.Baldwin.MP@aph.gov.au B.Billson.MP@aph.gov.au Bronwyn.Bishop.MP@aph.gov.au Julie.Bishop.MP@aph.gov.au Jamie.Briggs.MP@aph.gov.au Russell.Broadbent.MP@aph.gov.au Mal.Brough.MP@aph.gov.au scott.buchholz.mp@aph.gov.au Steven.Ciobo.MP@aph.gov.au David.Coleman.MP@aph.gov.au Peter.Dutton.MP@aph.gov.au Warren.Entsch.MP@aph.gov.au Paul.Fletcher.MP@aph.gov.au josh.frydenberg.mp@aph.gov.au Teresa.Gambaro.MP@aph.gov.au Ian.Goodenough.MP@aph.gov.au natasha.griggs.mp@aph.gov.au Alex.Hawke.MP@aph.gov.au Sarah.Henderson.MP@aph.gov.au Peter.Hendy.MP@aph.gov.au J.Hockey.MP@aph.gov.au Luke.Howarth.MP@aph.gov.au Greg.Hunt.MP@aph.gov.au Eric.Hutchinson.MP@aph.gov.au Steve.Irons.MP@aph.gov.au Dennis.Jensen.MP@aph.gov.au ewen.jones.mp@aph.gov.au Michael.Keenan.MP@aph.gov.au craig.kelly.mp@aph.gov.au Andrew.Laming.MP@aph.gov.au Craig.Laundy.MP@aph.gov.au Farrer@aph.gov.au (Sussan Ley) Ian.Macfarlane.MP@aph.gov.au Nola.Marino.MP@aph.gov.au Louise.Markus.MP@aph.gov.au russell.matheson.mp@aph.gov.au Karen.McNamara.MP@aph.gov.au Scott.Morrison.MP@aph.gov.au Andrew.Nikolic.MP@aph.gov.au Higgins@aph.gov.au (Kelly O’Dwyer) Tony.Pasin.MP@aph.gov.au Christian.Porter.MP@aph.gov.au jane.prentice.mp@aph.gov.au Melissa.Price.MP@aph.gov.au C.Pyne.MP@aph.gov.au Rowan.Ramsey.MP@aph.gov.au Don.Randall.MP@aph.gov.au Andrew.Robb.MP@aph.gov.au Stuart.Robert.MP@aph.gov.au wyatt.roy.mp@aph.gov.au philip.ruddock.MP@aph.gov.au Fiona.Scott.MP@aph.gov.au Luke.Simpkins.MP@aph.gov.au Tony.Smith.MP@aph.gov.au Andrew.Southcott.MP@aph.gov.au S.Stone.MP@aph.gov.au Ann.Sudmalis.MP@aph.gov.au Michael.Sukkar.MP@aph.gov.au Angus.Taylor.MP@aph.gov.au dan.tehan.mp@aph.gov.au alan.tudge.mp@aph.gov.au Malcolm.Turnbull.MP@aph.gov.au bert.vanmanen.mp@aph.gov.au Nickolas.Varvaris.MP@aph.gov.au Ross.Vasta.MP@aph.gov.au Brett.Whiteley.MP@aph.gov.au Lucy.Wicks.MP@aph.gov.au Matt.Williams.MP@aph.gov.au Rick.Wilson.MP@aph.gov.au Jason.Wood.MP@aph.gov.au ken.wyatt.mp@aph.gov.au
    Members of Parliament – phone numbers Coalition 2015

    John Alexander (Bennalong) Tel: (02) 6277 4804 Fax: (02) 6277 8581
    Karen Andrews (McPherson) Tel: (02) 6277 4360 Fax: (02) 6277 8462
    Kevin Andrews (Menzies) Tel: (02) 6277 7560 Fax: (02) 6273 4122
    Bob Baldwin (Paterson) Tel: (02) 6277 4200 Fax: (02) 6277 8447
    Bruce Billson (Dunkley) Tel: (02) 6277 7930 Fax: (02) 6273 0434
    Bronwyn Bishop (MacKellar) Tel: (02) 6277 4000 Fax: (02) 6277 2050
    Julie Bishop (Curtin) Tel: (02) 6277 7500 Fax: (02) 6273 4112
    Jamie Briggs (Mayo) Tel: (02) 6277 7020 Fax: (02) 6273 4126
    Russell Broadbent (McMillan) Tel: (02) 6277 4233 Fax: (02) 6277 8485
    Mal Brough (Fisher) Tel: (02) 6277 4970 Fax: (02) 6277 2860
    Scott Buchholz (Wright) Tel: (02) 6277 4449 Fax: (02) 6277 8408
    Steven Ciobo (Moncrief) Tel: (02) 6277 2330 Fax: (02) 6277 8452
    David Coleman (Banks) Tel: (02) 6277 4188 Fax: (02) 6277 2353
    Peter Dutton (Dickson) Tel: (02) 6277 7220 Fax: (02) 6273 4146
    Warren Entsch (Leichhardt) Tel: (02) 6277 4803 Fax: (02) 6277 2238
    Paul Fletcher (Bradfield) Tel: (02) 6277 4240 Fax: (02) 6277 8457
    Josh Frydenberg (Kooyong) Tel: (02) 6277 7360 Fax: (02) 6273 4125
    Teresa Gambaro (Brisbane) Tel: (02) 6277 4331 Fax: (02) 6277 8515
    Ian Goodenough (Moore) Tel: (02) 6277 4651 Fax: (02) 6277 2082
    Natasha Griggs (Solomon) Tel: (02) 6277 2392 Fax: (02) 6277 8479
    Alex Hawke (Mitchell) Tel: (02) 6277 4430 Fax: (02) 6277 8522
    Sarah Henderson (Corangamite) Tel: (02) 6277 4172 Fax: (02) 6277 2043
    Peter Hendy (Eden Monaro) Tel: (02) 6277 4717 Fax: (02) 6277 4737
    Joe Hockey (North Sydney) Tel: (02) 6277 7340 Fax: (02) 6273 3420
    Luke Howarth (Petrie) Tel: (02) 6277 4018 Fax: (02) 6277 2361
    Greg Hunt (Flinders) Tel: (02) 6277 7920 Fax: (02) 6273 7330
    Eric Hutchinson (Lyons) Tel: (02) 6277 4918 Fax: (02) 6277 4299
    Steve Irons (Swan) Tel: (02) 6277 4337 Fax: (02) 6277 8494
    Denis Jensen (Tangney) Tel: (02) 6277 4156Fax: (02) 6277 8460
    Ewen Jones (Herbert) Tel: (02) 6277 4693 Fax: (02) 6277 8551
    Michael Keenan (Stirling) Tel: (02) 6277 7290Fax: (02) 6273 7098
    Craig Kelly (Hughes) Tel: (02) 6277 4366 Fax: (02) 6277 8567
    Andrew Laming (Bowman) Tel: (02) 6277 4258Fax: (02) 6277 8503
    Craig Laundy (Reid) Tel: (02) 6277 4345 Fax: (02) 6277 8577
    Sussan Ley (Farrer) Tel: (02) 6277 7220 Fax: (02) 6273 5188
    Ian Macfarlane (Groom) Tel: (02) 6277 7070 Fax: (02) 6273 3662
    Nola Marino (Forrest) Tel: (02) 6277 2318 Fax: (02) 6277 8450
    Louise Markus (Macquarie) Tel: (02) 6277 2371 Fax: (02) 6277 8463
    Russell Matheson (Macarthur) Tel: (02) 6277 2035 Fax: (02) 6277 8486
    Karen McNamara (Dobell) Tel: (02) 6277 4055 Fax: (02) 6277 4293
    Scott Morrison (Cook) Tel: (02) 6277 7860 Fax: (02) 6273 4144
    Andrew Nikolic (Bass) Tel: (02) 6277 4954 Fax: (02) 6277 227
    Kelly O’Dwyer (Higgins) Tel: (02) 6277 4155 Fax: (02) 6277 8453
    Tony Pasin (Barker) Tel: (02) 6277 4864 Fax: (02) 6277 4865
    Christian Porter (Pearce) Tel: (02) 6277 4275 Fax: (02) 6277 2231
    Jane Prentice (Ryan) Tel: (02) 6277 4426 Fax: (02) 6277 8512
    Melissa Price (Durack) Tel: (02) 6277 4242 Fax: (02) 6277 8554
    Christopher Pyne (Sturt) Tel: (02) 6277 7350 Fax: (02) 6273 4134
    Rowan Ramsay (Grey) Tel: (02) 6277 4967 Fax: (02) 6277 8440
    Don Randall (Canning) Tel: (02) 6277 2090 Fax: (02) 6277 8425
    Andrew Robb (Goldstein) Tel: (02) 6277 7420 Fax: (02) 6273 4128
    Stuart Robert (Fadden) Tel: (02) 6277 7730 Fax: (02) 6273 3897
    Wyatt Roy (Longman) Tel: (02) 6277 4646 Fax: (02) 6277 8539
    Philip Ruddock (Berowa) Tel: (02) 6277 4088 Fax: (02) 6277 8468
    Fiona Scott (Lindsay) Tel: (02) 6277 4270 Fax: (02) 6277 8422
    Luke Simpkins (Cowan) Tel: (02) 6277 4009 Fax: (02) 6277 8423
    Tony Smith (Casey) Tel: (02) 6277 4284 Fax: (02) 6277 8439
    Andrew Southcott (Boothby) Tel: (02) 6277 4283 Fax: (02) 6277 8476
    Sharman Stone (Murray) Tel: (02) 6277 4477 Fax: (02) 6277 8454
    Ann Sudmalis (Gilmore) Tel: (02) 6277 4141 Fax: (02) 6277 8482
    Michael Sukkar (Deakin) Tel: (02) 6277 4847 Fax: (02) 6277 4862
    Angus Taylor (Hume) Tel: (02) 6277 4662 Fax: (02) 6277 2389
    Dan Tehan (Wannon) Tel: (02) 6277 4393 Fax: (02) 6277 8538
    Alan Tudge (Aston) Tel: (02) 6277 4354 Fax: (02) 6277 8487
    Malcolm Turnbull (Wentworth) Tel: (02) 6277 7480 Fax: (02) 6273 3776
    Bert Van Mannen (Forde) Tel: (02) 6277 4719 Fax: (02) 6277 8553
    Nickolas Varvaris (Barton) Tel: (02) 6277 4626 Fax: (02) 6277 8428
    Ross Vasta (Bonner) Tel: (02) 6277 4632 Fax: (02) 6277 8535
    Brett Whiteley (Braddon) Tel: (02) 6277 4387 Fax: (02) 6277 2335
    Lucy Wicks (Robertson) Tel: (02) 6277 4738 Fax: (02) 6277 4739
    Matt Williams (Hindmarsh) Tel: (02) 6277 4429 Fax: (02) 6277 2375
    Rick Wilson (O’Connor) Tel: (02) 6277 4101 Fax: (02) 6277 2073
    Jason Wood (La Trobe) Tel: (02) 6277 4982 Fax: (02) 6277 4994
    Ken Wyatt (Hasluck) Tel: (02) 6277 4707 Fax: (02) 6277 8552

    Coalition Senators Emails and phones 2015

    To contact members in their Electorate Office use this Parliamentary list. The numbers below are for Parliament House Canberra.

    Eric Abetz (TAS) senator.abetz@aph.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 7320 Fax: (02) 6273 4115

    Chris Back (WA) https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Contact_Senator_or_Member?MPID=J7Q Telephone: (02) 6277 3733 Fax: (02) 6277 5877

    Cory Bernardi https://www.corybernardi.com/contact/ (SA) Telephone: (02) 6277 3278 Fax: (02) 6277 5783

    Simon Birmingham (SA) senator.birmingham@aph.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 7630 Fax: (02) 6273 5188

    George Brandis (QLD) senator.brandis@aph.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 7300 Fax: (02) 6273 4102

    David Bushby (TAS) Senator.Bushby@aph.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 3404 Fax: (02) 6277 3403

    Michaelia Cash (WA) Telephone: (02) 6277 7610 Fax: (02) 6273 7093 https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Contact_Senator_or_Member?MPID=I0M

    Richard Colbeck (TAS) senator.colbeck@aph.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 5814 Fax: (02) 6277 5823

    Mathias Cormann (WA) financeminister@finance.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 7400 Fax: (02) 6273 4110

    Sean Edwards (SA) senator.edwards@aph.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 3385 Fax: (02) 6277 5960

    David Fawcett (SA) Telephone: (02) 6277 3418 Fax: (02) 6277 5964 senator.fawcett@aph.gov.au

    Concetta Fierravanti-Wells (NSW) senator.fierravanti-wells@aph.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 3345 Fax: (02) 6277 3351

    Mitch Fifield (VIC) Telephone: (02) 6277 7280 Fax: (02) 6273 4138 http://www.mitchfifield.com/Contact.aspx

    Bill Heffernan (NSW) Telephone: (02) 6277 3610 Fax: (02) 6277 3614

    David Johnston (WA) Telephone: (02) 6277 3249 Fax: (02) 6277 5766 https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Contact_Senator_or_Member?MPID=00AON

    Ian MacDonald (QLD) senator.ian.macdonald@aph.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 3722 Fax: (02) 6277 5914

    Brett Mason (QLD) senator.mason@aph.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 3756 Fax: (02) 6277 5725

    James McGrath (QLD) Telephone: (02) 6277 3076 Fax: (02) 6277 5948 https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Contact_Senator_or_Member?MPID=217241

    Stephen Parry (TAS) senator.parry@aph.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 3300 Fax: (02) 6277 3108

    Marise Payne (NSW) Telephone: (02) 6277 7200 Fax: (02) 6273 4406 minister@humanservices.gov.au

    Linda Reynolds (WA) senator.reynolds@aph.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 3296 Fax: (02) 6277 5764

    Michael Ronaldson (VIC) Telephone: (02) 6277 7820 Fax: (02) 6273 4140 https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Contact_Senator_or_Member?MPID=xt4

    Anne Ruston (SA) Telephone: (02) 6277 3753 Fax: (02) 6277 5825

    Scott Ryan (VIC) http://scottryan.com.au/email Telephone: (02) 6277 3483 Fax: (02) 6277 5824

    Nigel Scullion (NT) senator.scullion@aph.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 7780 Fax: (02) 6273 7096

    Zed Seselja (ACT) Telephone: (02) 6277 3187 Fax: (02) 6277 5712 https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Contact_Senator_or_Member?MPID=HZE

    Arthur Sinodinis (NSW) senator.sinodinos@aph.gov.au Telephone: (02) 6277 3651 Fax: (02) 6277 5954

    Dean Smith (WA) senator.smith@aph.gov.au Telephone: 02 6277 3707 Fax: 02 6277 5792

    11

  • #
    pat

    19 Feb 2015: The Australian Climate Sceptics: Lord Monckton and the push to get rid of PM Abbott
    An extract from Lord Monckton’s presentation:

    “David King was asked whether all the nations of the world were now, in principle, ready to sign their people’s rights away in such a treaty. Yes, but there are two standouts. One is Canada. But don’t worry about Canada. They’ve got an election in the Spring of 2015 and we and the UN will make sure the present government is removed. He was quite blunt about it.

    “The other hold out is Australia. And Australia we can’t do anything about because Tony Abbott is in office until after the December 2015 conference. So that means you all have to guard Tony Abbott’s back. Because the Turnbull faction, in conjunction with the UN, will be doing their absolute level best to remove your elected Prime Minister from office before the end of his term and , in particular, before the end of 2015, so that they can get 100% wall-to-wall Marxist agreement. They do not want any stand-outs. And the most likely stand-out at the moment is Australia. So look after him.”
    http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/lord-monckton-and-push-to-get-rid-of-pm.html

    given Tony Abbott has been attacked mercilessly by the MSM for defending coal as being “good for humanity”, especially by ABC and Fairfax, it was strange timing to see Fairfax’s AFR publish the following today, particularly as it had already been reported that Turnbull would announce his challenge at the Press Club:

    14 Sept: AFR: Greg Evans: Coal remains best solution to energy poverty
    It is good news for hundreds of millions of people in Asia who still have limited or no access to power…
    (link in Unthreaded comments)

    11 Sept: Daily Telegraph: Simon Benson: Tony Abbott has been fed to the lions
    The question is whether it will be soon enough for some in the Coalition party room, from where chatter is once again focused on the intentions of Malcolm Turnbull.
    In particular a Press Club speech he is scheduled to deliver three days after the September 19 Canning by-election — straight after a Coalition party room meeting.
    The speculation is Turnbull isn’t doing it to talk about the NBN. There has even been a suggestion that he will announce he is resigning to go to the back bench in a Rudd style campaign to re-ignite his leadership ambitions. Of course, he could also be planning to talk about the NBN.
    What is not in doubt among his colleagues is that Turnbull will at some stage challenge Abbott for the leadership — this time properly…
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/tony-abbott-has-been-fed-to-the-lions/story-fni0cwl5-1227521697266

    41

    • #
      C.J.Richards

      Very timely reminder from Pat there.

      Not all UN diplomacy is an unsubtle as on Global Warming. Just who in the Party Room is playing to their tune, wittingly or otherwise.

      Only the people should decide on Abbott’s leadership, who they elected. Not a bunch of weak-knee’d plotting Pollies .

      71

    • #
      Joe V.

      On that other obstacle to UN hegemony: Are the governing Conservatives in Canada pulling ahead in the latest pre-election poll, at the expense of lefty Liberals ?
      http://www.nanosresearch.com/library/polls/20150912%20Ballot%20TrackingE.pdf

      20

      • #
        Bill

        according to the leftist Nanos polling group and the MSM, it’s a 3 way tie. Hardly, Canadians are not impressed by this nonsense and I predict a second conservative majority (perhaps a small one but still a majority). No sane people want either the corrupt liberals or the NDP (in the pockets of the big 3 unions) to get their hands on the keys to the till.

        20

  • #
    KinkyKeith

    Sea Levels Dropped 1.2 metres from a point about 2,000 years ago. See the harbour at Ephesus.

    To Geologists this “drop in sea levels” is not a secret, it is a well known part of the sea level history that took place after the last ice age ended.

    It has been carefully given the deep six and buried out of sight by the AGW mafia.

    Here in Newcastle, Geologists point to the beautiful rock platforms that are to be seen in the coastline from Newcastle to Redhead.

    These were cut by wave action dragging rocks , pebbles and sand back and forth from several thousand years before the latest drop of about 1.2 metres.

    The cries of “we’ll be swamped” by the Warmer crew deliberately and arrogantly ignore input from specialists

    in geology just as they have done with the specialist input from physicists, chemists, biologists and

    engineers to name a few groups whose specific knowledge of the CO2 – Warming claim has been “Inconvenient”.

    Against this background of sea level movement the claims of the catastrophists look rather stupid or perhaps

    more accurately, highly manipulative.

    The CAGW theme has created great wealth and financial advantage for believers and manipulators of this

    “scheme” but has set almost a billion people in Europe and the English speaking world onto a path of tax

    slavery, wasted research effort and outright theft of public funds.

    History will not be kind to the Global Warming movement as the cost in chasing this monster into a dark,

    blind alley has been enormous.

    It is not over yet until the leaders have been tried, convicted and publicly held up to the ridicule they deserve.

    KK

    http://joannenova.com.au/2012/10/australian-sea-levels-have-been-falling-for-7000-years/#comment-1133940

    82

  • #
  • #
    pat

    apologies, but just realised Turnbull’s Press Club speech has not taken place yet. got my dates mixed up.
    it was Hartcher who wrote it could happen as soon as Parliament resumed:

    SMH: Peter Hartcher: Canning byelection: win can’t save Prime Minister Tony Abbott from leadership challenge
    Some of Malcolm Turnbull’s advocates in the party are urging him to challenge Abbott for the leadership this week when Parliament resumes, even though the government is still in the midst of campaigning for Canning.
    A principal reason? They worry that Abbott might call an early election to head off any internal challenge…
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/canning-byelection-win-cant-save-prime-minister-tony-abbott-from-leadership-challenge-20150913-gjllqt

    10

  • #
    Ruairi

    A 1mm sea-level rise,
    Should not cause shock and surprise,
    As it happens each year,
    With nothing to fear,
    From alarmism’s doom-laden cries.

    50

  • #

    Does anyone know where our old friend Memory Vault is living.

    I have this sudden urge to go off and join him.

    What’s the point any more?

    Tony.

    70

  • #
    bobl

    It’s very interesting that back in February there was a LOT of chatter about Abbott needing to be removed before Paris. My guess is that this is it! I have already written to my member and will send one off to the QLD Lib senators later tonight.

    Folks, even you lurkers out there, write to your local member and senators, make the point that you will NEVER vote for a Liberal Party that has Malcolm Turnbull as leader ever since the ETS thing where Mal got tossed out. I also made the point that I personally sent mathematical proof of the stupidity of global warming action to Malcolm and was ignored, which proves him mathematically inept and ignorant.

    81

  • #
    bobl

    1mm a year, about the diameter of 2 grains of sand, in A YEAR, yup it’s a disaster, the islands will never keep up /sarc – in case anyone needed to know…

    51

  • #
    Don Gaddes

    The key indicator as to whether or not the planet’s climate is cooling, is the volume of sea-ice. It would seem it is increasing at both poles, thus the climate must be cooling.
    On the other hand,Glacial Ice should be decreasing as the Solar induced orbital ‘Dry Cycle’hierarchies take prominence – and precipitation decreases.(Glacial ice depends on snowfall.)
    These factors also influence temperature fluctuations and sea levels.
    Thus, the global climate is both cooling and getting drier.

    51

  • #
    Harry Twinotter

    Global sea level is rising at around 3mm a year, not 1mm a year.

    04

  • #
    Graham Richards

    The real cause of rising sea levels is actually ‘taxpayer handouts’ to islanders.

    11

  • #

    Only just saw this post tonight. Damn day job always gets in the way of more interesting pursuits. I was surprised to see a familiar graph on this blog, so thank you for that. Now to the clearly more topical subject.

    I still cannot believe that so many of my friends and family (including my wife) still get sucked in to the MSM misinformation. Tony Abbott has suffered a total and complete character assassination. The ease at which most of the public has been brainwashed is truly astounding. I am disheartened as others here are too.

    Where on earth do we all go to from here?
    RGB from Oz.

    00