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Todays front page of The Australian while Albo honeymoons
Taxpayers’ exceptional bill to fund counsel of war on Reynolds
Jews’ nightmare with no end: two years of hate, violence as anti-Semitism takes root
OECD warns on fiscal discipline as Australian government spending grows
ABC spends $45,000 on David Anderson farewell party
BoM chief’s cyclonic spin on blowing $96m for website rebuild
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I don’t need to buy that newspaper now, I’ve got the headlines.
Seems that the government has p*ssed some more of our money against the wall, on multiple fronts. And that’s the news for today.
Ta.
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Jet-setting eSafety Commissioner Julie Inman Grant racks up millions in travel expenses flying to more than 20 countries
The eSafety Commissioner Julie Inman Grant has spent millions of taxpayer dollars jet-setting to summits and panels around the world, raising questions about her role.
The eSafety Commissioner, Julie Inman Grant, and her staff have racked up millions in taxpayer-funded travel since her appointment to the role in 2017.
The revelation has renewed questions about the office of the eSafety Commissioner and whether taxpayers received value for money.
According to new figures provided in response to senate questions taken on notice, Ms Inman Grant has spent more than $3 million on travel for her and staff since 2017.
Between 2017 and 2024, overseas travel costs amounted to $1,091,521.97, including $200,466 funded by other government agencies.
Domestic travel costs between 2017 and 2024 totalled $2,467,478.03, including for “official business” and “stakeholder engagements”.
These figures included costs for Ms Inman Grant and her staff to various summits, panels and seminars.
The multi-million dollar travel bill paid for by taxpayers comes on top of the eSafety Commissioner’s $450,000 annual salary.
In 2024-25 alone, the Commissioner spent $349,702 on overseas trips and $669,298 on domestic travel.
Since 2017, Ms Inman Grant has undertaken 22 overseas trips, often hopping between multiple destinations in a single journey.
Countries on her travel map include Canada, France, Switzerland, Belgium, Ireland, Japan, United States, UK, Germany, Italy, Singapore, Ethiopia, UAE, and New Zealand.
In October, it was revealed the eSafety Commission had spent over $40 million on temporary employees since 2017, including six-figure contracts for short-term roles.
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Disgraceful.
All so she can try and impose a global censorship regime but particularly in Australia.
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Video.
How Vitamin D reduces ageing by helping to preserve telomeres. (Note that not everyone subscribes to the telomere theory of ageing).
https://youtu.be/CzUuCzLaShg
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Molybdenum Disulfide mitochondrial nanoflowers anyone?
I worked with MolyD decades ago (made a packet) but it was toxic stuff…
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Video by Simon Webb.
Apart from stopping destructive narcotics entering the US, is another reason for US action against Venezuela enforcement of the Monroe Doctrine and to force the Chicomms out of Venezuela and South and Central America in general?
https://youtu.be/_Z6RhFCtYHo
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Ellen DeGeneres and her Aussie “wife” left the US for the UK because “orange man bad” but can’t stand the UK weather so are returning to Commiefornia.
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So, the UK climate hasn’t changed all that much. They better move down to a beach house off the Pacific Coast Highway then, where they can enjoy driving a sporty convertable.
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They might pick up a cheap block of land in the Palisades, apparently it may take a while to get all the permits necessary to build but the views will be fantastic.
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Weird how they didn’t decide to move to Mexico or Haiti or Senegal. If they want warm weather those places have it in spades, and no Bad Orange Man.
Why do the expats who flee America to escape Trump always wind up in Europe or Canada? Are they racists who only want to live in white-majority countries? What gives? What’s the matter with Brunei or Mauritania or Nigeria? Well, aside from the whole death penalty for homosexuals thing. That might be a problem for a lesbian couple. But isn’t that a price worth paying to escape Trumpism?
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Those fleeing the Trump world have primarily set up camp in Portugal, followed by Spain, Italy, Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica, New Zealand, Australia, Thailand and Greece.
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We seem to keep on paying “homage “ to these distortions of nature. As with the
“Sussexes” if the media would simply ignore them they would go away, self destruct or whatever. But we the public wouldn’t have to suffer their existence & this constant attention to irrelevant chattering by irrelevant nobodies!
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Permanently overcast with high risk of gimmigrant knife attacks and Allahu Akbars in low lying (lying low?) areas…
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That’s more of a London thing.
The Cotswolds are an idyllic rural area with lots of old historic homes and, oh yeah, it’s 96% white. It’s one of the wealthiest and whitest areas in England. Like Martha’s Vineyard in the United States, any dusky immigrants who showed up there would quickly be rounded up and shipped right back out. Hate has no home here … and neither do any filthy proles.
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Add them to the number of climate refugees.
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More and more companies are refusing to send snail mails.
I got this from a service provider. It’s easier to miss invoices and important notices when they come via email due to the sheer volume of email received, most of it useless.
And I’m sick of the “smarter, more sustainable” mantra used by so many companies. They are not smarter and things are quite sustainable as they are.
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You forgot the part where the company gave up the inside front cover to acknowledge the land they stole from someone who never owned it.
If there was ever a need to save paper, those lines are the evidence.
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Some countries are already shutting down their letter postal services.
Royal Mail (in name only now) in the UK has become so bad at delivering letters that you can’t really trust time critical post any more. No doubt their aim is to get so bad the gov. let’s them stop trifling with it. They only want the profitable parcel business.
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DM,
Who cares?
Geoff S
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“Who cares?” was supposed to follow the de generis gossip.
Geoff S
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It’s the constant removal of freedom of choice that’s the problem.
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I’ve had 2 untracked small parcels from eBay never arrive, just in the past 2 months.
Wonder where they go? 😎
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Thanks but next time can you order something that I can use.
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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/12/02/death-of-trial-by-jury-uk-thinks-it-must-destroy-village-to-save-village/
More political clap trap leading to ultimate control of citizens
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Wait till you front court and are told that your conviction has been confirmed before you even present evidence. The judge has read the summary and decided already.
The appeals process went the same way but they used AI instead. And based on the training that the system was provided, no one has ever won at appeal.
Good luck.
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You can already be convicted via the Single Justice Procedure without knowing anything (e.g post goes astray – see above!) about it, and it’s hard to appeal.
Apparently only a very low single % of all cases have a jury trial anyway. The latest idea is Judge only if the max. sentence is below 3 years. In reality it might not make much difference.
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Australia is a nation full of government endorsed scams where it’s easier to make money scamming such as through ruinables, NDIS etc. than doing honest work at a fair price.
Here’s another one I discovered.
At a complex of villa units in Victoriastan, of which I own one, there has to be an expensive asbestos report and management plan done every five years. It used to be done once for buildings built before 2003.
Now the 2003 date still applies but it has to be done every five years.
Asbestos building and all other asbestos products are illegal and have been for decades.
There is no good reason for this work other than to benefit those who do this work, and likely a make-work program for members of unions like the brutes of the CFMEU (extremist building construction union).
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David,
You have to stay vigilant and keep searching for asbestos. You never know when someone is going to be playing with some sand or has installed a new windmill with internal lift.
How long before the Noddy cars are inspected for fibres in the brakes and someone finds a few of the nasties lurking there. There is also a lot of cement sheet products being imported now, how many of these are produced in factories where one or another production line still uses asbestos fibres?
And of course, if you want to save yourself some money, just let the authorities know that you stopped all fibres by using the magic barrier tape. Nothing ever crosses that barrier.
https://www.eurosigns.com.au/products/warning-tape-asbestos-dust-hazard-60mx75mm
Do I need to insert the /s control character?
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Tell them to p… off, as there’s nothing to report on, and if they don’t believe you, tell them to refer to their previous report. Insane.
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$30,000 fine for not complying…
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As I said, insane.
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$20,000 quote to get ours removed – no Santa this year. Covers their portable washing facility where the safety attired workers walk through sprays, peel off their suits and then shower after the job.
Bonded internal or external sheeting (100m2): $2,500–$3,500. Good rundown of costs and what involved here.
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DM,
Re costs of housing imposts.
We own a unit in a block of 14. Each quarter, we get a bill for Owners Corporation fees. The price has just gone up, now over $1,000 a quarter. It has been rising above 6% per annum for the last decade. The big item by far is compulsory building insurance. It is also rising well above ABS cost of living levels.
In current dollar terms, we have paid some $60,000 over our 20 years here for compulsory insurance. In return, we have got nothing.
We should at least have the option of no insurance, cop the bill privately if harm happens. Insurance companies enjoy their luxury at my expense, lovely buildings, comfortable staff doing nothing of national value, simply because they conned politicians that they were like an essential service when reality says they are just another money churn machine.
I like freedom of choice.
Geoff S
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Geoff, have you read the articles on the Strata insurance issue, where most strata insurance companies and brokers are linked through one company? This is the case for our strata insurance, a cosy relationship that prevents us from obtaining competitive quotes.
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Asbestos is a must-have , so that one can have a lockdown at very short notice.
The nearby city had an asbestos lockdown recently when an old pub went up in what may have been an insurance “job”.
The fact that there was no risk is quite beside the point.
One cannot be too careful.
And it’s good practice. Keeps the sheeple on their toes(hooves?).
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Re “may have been an insurance “job” ”
A bloke here refers to that as a “clearing sale”
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I thought we used asbestos because it DOESN’T burn.
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Quote.
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I firmly believe that every ‘transgender’ preteen is the victim of Munchausen by Proxy (if learned at home) or Marxist indoctrination (if learned at school) or a combination of both.
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What hope has reason, truth, and sanity got when pitted against brilliant insanity, vituperative energy, and a woke left agenda?
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Dr John Campbell presents part 6 of a talk with Australian Professor Robert Clancy about treating post covid “vaccine” syndrome.
https://youtu.be/1a66MG-wCAc
Note to Leftists. Reminder that it’s time for your 54th booster.
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This is an absolutely brilliant discussion of the most recent work done in respect to the effects of the C19 mRNA vaccines and the effects they have on the immune system of many of the vaccinated. It was particularly interesting to learn that, on present calculations, significant adverse reactions are detected in roughly 10% of the vaccinate population. I actually thought it would be higher, but then, they are calculating more than minor effects.
The marvellous Prof Bob Clancy continues his work in attempting to alleviate the sufferers of adverse reactions. It would seem that Ivermectin is still the “go to” medication, though the symptoms appear in most cases to return if IVM is discontinued. He also notes that the adverse symptoms are very similar to to those noted in cases of “Post Viral Syndrome”. This is a non uncommon response of some to a virus infection. My mother suffered it after contracting Ross River Fever many decades ago. She suffered real (some doctors claimed imaginary!) muscle weakness and various other symptoms.
Since the mRNA delivery instigates continual responses in the cells, it is not surprising that total recovery is prevented in some people. Whether the special cohort is due to genetic susceptibility, “hot” batches of vaccine or other factors, is still not determined.
I personally know of a number of victims of the vaccines. In one case the medical mob have scratched their head and noted that my friend appears to have “a continuing virus” that is causing his problems…….you do say!!!!
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RIP ROM
For those that missed my message late yesterday I am sad to report that one of our contributers, ROM has passed away.
https://joannenova.com.au/2025/12/tuesday-137/#comment-2883732
ROM used to write quite long messages, generally based on his own experiences of life. One of those can be read here;
https://joannenova.com.au/2016/09/polarization-of-climate-debate-depresses-believers-but-jonova-has-a-solution/#comment-1835601
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Condolences to his family. RIP.
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I am so sorry to hear that Peter. ROM was a very smart and special man.
I did miss his contributions when he was unable to keep writing.
🙁
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Oh how sad. Rom was a lovely man and adventurous.
He flew a glider to a great height with an oxygen
bottle strapped to his leg.
RIP, Rom.
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It’s increasingly difficult to identify anything whatsoever that any Australian Government does, at any level, that is morally, economically or scientifically correct.
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They’ve created laws that remove your rights.
They’ve destroyed the power grid.
They’ve raised the influence of unions.
They’ve mandated a medical treatment that has most probably done more harm than good.
They’ve raised taxes to promote left wing ideas over the needs of the masses.
They’ve contrived schemes to better their own outcomes at our expense.
They’ve made illegal the tools that make life easy.
They’ve banned, prohibited or heavily taxed goods and services to prevent their use.
They’ve installed potholes to justify lowering the speed limits.
They’ve done all this for our own good.
….Ohh, you said correct. My bad.
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Here’s a fantasy question because it’s not going to happen, but suppose Australia’s ruinables scam ended tomorrow and we had to revert to existing coal, gas and real hydro (not SH2), would the remaining power stations carry us over for 5 to 10 years until new power stations could ne built?
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An interesting question David. We should of course, have been building new coal fired generators 10 years ago so we could gradually retire the present fleet, but then politicians and idiots got involved. We know how to build them, and have the necessary knowledge and workforce, but as we now make nothing, presumably, we would have to order bits from overseas or contract the jobs out to off shore companies…but…can you just imagine the furore if an announcement was made that a new coal fired generator was going to be constructed next to say, Eraring ?
The Unions, the Greens nutters, Liebor, the climate change religion zealots….there would be a riot on the Courthouse steps as to who was first to stop this planet destroying monster.
The opposition energy Minister ( Dan Tehan ) was asked only a day or two ago on Sky, ” would you allow the construction of new coal fired generators “…he waffled on for an eternity but never answered the question. The correct answer is ” Yes ” and it should have started years ago and we would not be in this unholy mess we are in now. However, Dan and his cohorts are still well and truly captured by ” emissions ” and ” decarbonisation ” and are terrified to apply real science and simple common sense, convinced they would lose even more votes, but it is becoming more obvious that the general populace may have just about had a gutful of the climate change scam.
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Thanks Glenn; a retort when the local Liberal candidate should he come round trying to improve his chances of election (in the State poll next March).
Frankly he will be lucky to get to third place.
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Dan Tehan is the epitome of the LNP’s position on Climate Change. They suddenly start preaching NO to net zero but have absolutely no intention of following through. They won’t walk away from the Paris Agreement, they are very reluctant to mention nuclear.
Ley is vociferous about everything but there is no conviction in her statements about net zero. The first obvious move to kill the whole scam off is to kill off the tax payer funded subsidies payed to foreign & local leeches. No subsidies = no wind & solar. There’s not even a hint about how the retreat from net zero will be achieved for the simple reason that the opposition has no intention of stopping the current destruction of our country.
The only option is a third party. The UK had an opportunity to walk away from these Uniparty morons some years back. The British National Party would have stopped the rot but the electorate were scared off by the UK version of the Uniparty. Just look at them now.
Our 3rd party is One Nation & we cannot afford to rely on the majors at this critical time.
When opportunity knocks we must make full use of it!
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I don’t think the current fleet will last 10 years. And that would be the minimum to go from our current position to the completion of commissioning of a new power plant. Of course you’ll need more than one, so parallel paths are required, not sequential.
Of course you can always replace the corroded steam pipes and you can always reline fireboxes, this is something that can happen forever, offering almost limitless lifespans. The turbines and the generators are a different beast though. If you damage one of them, through corrosion, erosion or mechanical failure, then all bets are off. Due to their unique designs, now very dated, you would not be able to secure a replacement that will fit on to the existing foundations, (the bolts are probably fatigued by now anyway). As an absolute minimum you’d need to remove the old concrete to sufficient depth so that you could embed new hold down bolts to a different specification and of course location. The bolts will likely be over a metre long, so get ready with the jackhammers. The concrete would be good for another couple of hundred years but you’ll need to change the platform shape by chiselling and recasting.
Most buildings would not have a functional overhead crane sufficient to remove or land a replacement unit either. You could always lift out the old plant in many pieces but you would be unlikely to ever want to lift in a generator, (or similar), in multiple parts, (it’s possible but no where near ideal), getting the mechanical alignments would be a nightmare.
The likely outcome of a major plant failure would result in the demolition of the building and all contents. About the only thing that could be infinitely reconfigured would be the steam source but even now technology has made the old systems redundant, newer plants operate at much higher temperatures and pressures raising thermal efficiencies. And all that extra heat has to be managed, it would be unlikely that the old transfer steam pipes would be rated for the increased pressures so they’ll need replacement.
And of course, there is that lovely mineral to consider. Asbestos lagging will be everywhere if the plant is currently due to expire, it’s of the age. Once you start unwrapping you’ll be there for at least a year cleaning up the mess and that’s if you can afford the costs of this service and the unionised demands.
So… sadly, I doubt that refits will carry us ten years either. We’re already on the path to blackouts. When will AEMO sign off on reality?
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Thanks Ian.
It’s even worse than I thought.
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It begins to sound as though some Oz cities with a harbour should get themselves a frigate or two to plug into the network , as Auckland had to do when they cooked some very big old cables.
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Ian, I recall the poignant remark of one of the managers at the closing of the Liddell plant. He said that after they switched off the power, the old girl laboured on for a while – seemingly refusing to die. It was strangely moving….
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As we learned from COVID, the feds have very little say in what happens down at state level.
The only state that could turn this around would be Qld at this stage. Victoria- not a hope with both Labor and the LNP conned by the climate scam. NSW, probably not unless Minns has an epiphany. South Australia- sorry crow eaters, who cares and your power needs could just be supplied by either Victoria or NSW anyway. Tasmania- similar. Western Australia- they should just go gas generated electricity, but with Labor in power and Libs hopeless, who knows?
I hate to say it, but we actually need a whole east coast blackout as soon as possible. Or at the very least either Victoria or NSW. People stuck in elevators, lives lost, maybe even looting in the streets.
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Yes, but if the died suddenly climate crisis continues, power need 10 years from now could be met by a backyard generator.
/wit
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FWIW
“Geothermal Engineering Breakthrough Announced Involving Cascade’s Largest Volcano”
https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/12/geothermal-engineering-breakthrough-announced-involving-cascades-largest-volcano/
But then
“Legal action continues over failed $4m geothermal power plant in outback Queensland”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-04/legal-battle-over-outback-geothermal-power-plant-continues/102301012
And
“Another Flannery fail: geothermal project scrapped”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/another-flannery-fail-geothermal-project-scrapped/news-story/331390329e1af9da27ec28a80163b45d
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And some commentators in The Australian are still promoting geothermal, tidal, wave and pumped hydro…
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From Weatherzone (not the BOM)…
Canberra plummets to -0.3°C, its first sub-zero summer temperature on record
Just a little nitpicky, because…
So they were both 0 in the real world.
Hypothesis – with the industrial revolution dead in the southern hemisphere, the atmosphere is so clear of particulates that on days with low atmospheric moisture, the heat escapes (like desert areas at night).
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Alternative hypothesis.
It was recorded during a cool change.
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It was recorded
duringafter a cool change.60
All cold records likely eventuate for the same reason. So the trigger is not of significance.
And of course, it’s all weather until a long term trend emerges.
Canberra wrapped up in iceage…. I can wait. At least for a little while.
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Alternative hypothesis.
It was recorded during a cool change.
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They don’t mention the original cause or the significance.
Does it have something to do with Sudden Stratospheric Warming, which on my cursory reading is caused by large blocking high pressure.
The polar blast might be related to a negative Southern Annular Mode, the normal phase during the Little Ice Age.
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Fake news…. I can find no confirmation of that anywhere on ABC.
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Of course, as we all know – cold is simply a lack of heat. Do I get my physics degree now?
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FWIW – more BBC vs Trump
“The Last Trump for the BBC”
“But Trump does not need to win his case to damage the BBC. Just like with the frivolous lawsuits mounted by liberals against our brave servicemen, the punishment may be the process. The BBC may be forced to settle, not for the headline figure of $1-5Billion, but certainly somewhere in the region of $20Million.”
More at
https://countrysquire.co.uk/2025/12/01/the-last-trump-for-the-bbc/
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Crazy idea … but maybe they could stop broadcasting lies that leave them in legal jeopardy. That might work. But it’s probably asking too much.
On the plus side, Trump suing the BBC has two potential outcomes that I can see if it goes all the way to court, both good.
1. Trump crushes the BBC and pissed off taxpayers decide enough is enough and successfully push to kill the television license system.
2. The British government pulls out all the stops to protect the BBC and rewrites some of it’s preposterously lax libel laws in regards to public figures. Part of the reason Trump figures to absolutely crush the BBC is because they have written their libel laws to protect the Royal family from tabloid rags. Those same laws work in Trump’s favor and against the BBC. Getting them changed would be bad for Trump, but great for freedom of the press in the UK.
That said, I agree that a settlement is by far the most likely scenario. Trump gets a scalp to brag about and a little bit of cash, while the BBC gets to eat a bit of crow and spend the next decade worrying about the next lawsuit from a public figure.
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The fact that everyone is talking about the how the BBC faked the video is The Win. It’s not the money.
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This also has a “passing look” at using “The Guardian” as a source of information
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FWIW
“Energy Affordability Has Become the Kitchen-Table Issue of the 2020s”
“Years of flat energy demand and relatively stable electricity prices dulled Americans’ understanding of energy economics. Now, new data center demand, the end of cheap natural gas, and President Biden’s policy of replacing baseload nuclear and coal power with wind and solar have screwed up electricity price signals enough to shred household budgets and stun homeowners — just in time for a colder-than-average winter.
The numbers are as stark as a slate-grey November sky. Household spending on electricity for heating is expected to rise 10% this winter to more than $1,200. Utilities requested a $29 billion rate increase in the first half of 2025, double last year’s rate rise. Residential electricity rates rose 6.6% year-on-year as of June 2025, according to Utility Dive, after already rising nearly 30% between 2021 and 2024.
The causes of these electricity increases are multifaceted, yet, as a policy brief from the National Center for Energy Analytics reveals, subsidies to wind and solar are major culprits. Subsidies like the federal Production Tax Credit (PTC) distort electricity markets by artificially lowering prices, sometimes into negative territory, forcing otherwise competitive but unsubsidized generation out of the market.”
More at
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/12/02/energy-affordability-has-become-the-kitchen-table-issue-of-the-2020s/
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FWIW
“I REMEMBER WHEN THEY USED TO SAY COFFEE WAS BAD FOR YOU: Researchers find heart benefits in tea, coffee, nuts and berries.”
https://instapundit.com/759707/#disqus_thread
Celebrate- have another!
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It’s illegal it’s immoral or it makes you fat!
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Given that the November UAH is out, I though it worth making a comparison with the Sun excursion out of Earth’s elliptic:
https://i0.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Sun_Z-Axis_1980-2040-1764709948.6709.png?fit=%2C&quality=75&ssl=1
And this is the November update of UAH TLT.
https://i0.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/UAH_LT_1979_thru_November_2025_v6.1_20x9-1536×691-1.jpg?resize=720%2C324&quality=83&ssl=1
The peaks in either direction correspond closely with the timing of solar activity. The southern excursion in 2016 corresponded with a peak in solar activity that contributed to Northern Hemisphere warming and SH warming.
Compelling evidence that the Sun and its position relative to Earth is the driver of climate change – even over decades.
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I agree with you Rick but the Official Lie from Australia’s “premier” “scientific” research organisation says otherwise.
And what is their “evidence”? Why it’s another Official Lie by another organisation, the IPCC, and others!
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Not quite – Cycle 1 to cycle 23 lengths have varied from 9 years to 13.5 years – there is no single value for cycle length.
The cycles should also be read in pairs – the suns magnetic field “flips” after each cycle, so it takes two for the north to re-align. I wonder what effect this has on earth’s protective magnetic field?
Planetary and sun positions are not constant in our solar system – they vary just enough for traditional statistical analysis to be questionable.
Note that it takes about 2,500 years of spinning and positioning for the planets to realign to a similar solar system start position – 30 years is a blip in time.
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The Sun and Jupiter orbit around a common barycenter. See the link for what this means if you need clarification.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter_(astronomy)
The distance of that barycenter to the centre of the Sun is around 742,000km. This means that the disk of the sun, which has a radius of around 696,000km is fully outside this ‘balance’ point.
The Earth also orbits around the Sun but because it is much lighter, you can practically ignore any off set for an Earth/Sun barycenter. Just assume that the Earth orbits around the centre of the sun.
And now the crunch. Solving the orbital positions and effects of more than two bodies is a nightmare. It would be easy if Jupiter were tightly orbiting the Sun and the Earth were a long way out, say at Neptune. You could quickly analyse the Earth’s orbit not to the Sun but to the Sun/Jupiter barycenter. However, we’re clearly not in that category of alignment. We sit within the orbit of Jupiter.
I’d love to see a plot of the actual distance to the Sun from Earth over a full Jupiter orbit, starting and finishing on an opposition event. Even a basic grasp of the physics would suggest that there will be variation in the distance as Jupiter goes behind the Sun compared to when the Earth is between the pair, with Jupiter pulling at the Earth to raise the Sun/Earth distance.
Rick, do you have this data or can you point out a source? If it was the full Sun wobble, then you could expect +/- 742,000 km out of 150m km. +/-0.49% by distance and due to the small changes, similar for intensity. A variance of this magnitude swamps the 11 year solar cycle numbers. So maybe this doesn’t eventuate…. else it would be known/measured already.
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That is incorrect. The Sun has quite an erratic orbit. Its speed goes from about 7m/s to 16m/s. The distance to the barycentre changes accordingly.
NASA JPL show the Sun shortcutting the barycentre in 1998. I doubt that happened because the sum of the integral pull of all the other planets in one direction never exceeds the integral pull of Jupiter. I can get it to track a path that always orbits the barycentre by making slight adjustments to the initial velocity.
This link shows the actual orbit in 3D with the Z-acxis distance magnified 10X. It also shows how sunspot activity I related to the square of velocity:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mYLSuI66J4F0fCrC1V19wdsxQx2f67-0/view?usp=sharing
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This is the orbital path:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1r9GEuaAExUkzDr5K8ej-_NunXCdkJxJL/view?usp=sharing
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You telling me that Wiki lies? I never. Apologies to those not interested about the maths below.
And with regard to the barycenter of the Sun and Jupiter, I’m sure the numbers in the Wiki table are for a TWO body system, I could check them if you like, (as a two body exercise only). Once you add more and more planets you start getting some nice patterns, like you linked to previously. With regard to the velocity numbers you have quoted, have you ever looked at them and wondered if they are reasonable?
The data quoted says that the sun has a speed that goes from 7 m/s to 16 m/s. Let’s look at the work done to make that change. Work = the change in kinetic energy from one point in time to another. The work done to make this change will be 0.5 x (16×16 – 7×7) x ONE SUN MASS UNIT = 103.5 x a solar mass. Sun mass is about 2×10^30kg. So the work done = 2.12 x 10^32 J
Jupiter has a mass of 1.9 x 10^27 kg and travels at an orbital speed of 13.06 km/s. Giving it an orbital kinetic energy of 1.62 x 10^35.
The Jupiter orbital energy is about 764 times the energy required to accelerate the Sun to the velocities as you have noted. For stability the Sun has to gives the energy back to the planet(s) else it will keep getting flung about, (this is a reasonable assumption if the Nett solar system is a closed AND stable system).
How does it know to give it back to the planet that donated it?
If it doesn’t go back to the correct source, then if that energy were given to an inner planet in the form of a gravitational sling shot, then for the Earth, that would be a disaster. Earth’s orbital kinetic energy is 6.0 x10^24kg and 29.8km/s gives Ek=5.3 x10^33. The energy required to cause the Sun’s velocity change would represent 4% of our orbital energy, this could really ‘kick’ us into a different part of the cosmos.
So… are the velocity numbers correct? If yes, then how does the Sun ‘know’ how to give it back to the correct planet? The solar system has been around for 4B years, a long time for everything to be working so well and so stable that we are here to talk about it.
I’m thinking it more likely that the velocities noted are not real accelerations of the Sun, instead they are just the velocities of the Earth RELATIVE to the Sun as IT orbits around it’s entire solar system/combination barycenter.
It would be good to get more info on these velocities and to see if they are relative to a fixed point in space, (adjusted for the entire solar system’s drift, etc), or whether they are the output of a model. If the latter, I’d like to know how they deal with the energy exchanges and what this could do to an inner planet as I calculated above for the Earth.
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Your thinking is wrong.
You are forgetting about all the other planets. Venus has the second largest pull on the Sun but it rotates in less than an Earth year so it does not move the sun much. Jupiter has about 8X the gravitational pull of Venus. However Jupiter’s integrated pull is about 47X that of Venus. Saturn has the next highest integrated pull but it is still 1/6th of Jupiters.
Jupiter has 4.5X the integrated pull off all the other planets but when Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are in opposition to or in conjunction with The Jupiter, the Sun feels it and produces high solar activity.
When Saturn is in opposition to Uranus and Neptune, the Sun goes into a quite period.
I am currently working on the plasma cloud of the Sun. It has high propensity to accelerate similar to a hammer thrower spinning up a hammer. I am now trying to determine what limits its velocity – shear stress or speed of sound in the plasma or something else.
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Rick I checked the barycenter distance for the TWO body system of Jupiter and the Sun and the number, 742,000km is correct.
The barycenter distance, (from the centre of the Sun), for a TWO body system, is equal to (Planet orbital distance x Mass of planet)/(sum of the mass of the Sun and the planet).
The planets with the largest offsets are Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and Uranus, these being 742,000, 409,000, 231,000 and 125,000 respectively. Venus, with it’s much lower mass, moved the barycenter 264km.
It would be a quick process to sum the barycenter offsets for each planet at their current position in their orbit and then run the clock forward or backward as required to simulate a date, (I bet you’ve already done this). This would form the basis of the lobed plots that you have posted.
With regard to the Sun being moved, it’s not the duration of the orbit that does it, it’s the mass of the planet and it’s distance. See equation above, there is no orbital time co-efficient in the equation. It’s just a simple mass balance, like a see-saw, the equation above just finds the position of the fulcrum so that the planet and the Sun balance LHS(mass x distance) = RHS(mass x distance).
I’d be interested to see your plasma outcomes, especially with regard to a sound wave traveling in them. Are the particles going to be close enough together to do the shuffling or will it be a result of an electrostatic, or other, interaction.
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The linked article give a more detailed picture of how the Sun movement relative to Earth has altered over the years:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/05/04/high-resolution-earth-orbital-precession-relative-to-climate-weather/
It explains the reason for the MWP and the LIA and that is without changes in the solar constant.
I have since added variation in the solar constant.
Climate models are immune to solar intensity. The are based entirely on solar energy and cloud parameters. In other words junk science.
Very few people who claim knowledge of the climate realise that the Sun zenith spends 9 days less over the SH than the NH in the present era. So same amount of energy in 9 days less. That means higher intensity and why Australia is the hot continent. But it has been gradually shifting toward the NH for 300 years and will continue for another 9,000 years. So lots of warming to come.
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The big picture, La Nina is active and temps haven’t fallen, there is only an outside chance that its solar forcing.
https://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_November_2025_v6.1_20x9-scaled.jpg
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FWIW – from “Once Great Britain”
“Death of Trial by Jury: UK Govt Insists It Must Destroy The Village to Save The Village”
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/12/02/death-of-trial-by-jury-uk-thinks-it-must-destroy-village-to-save-village/
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FWIW – spreading
“Pfizer mRNA Influenza Vaccine ‘Failed’ In Clinical Trial Among Seniors: FDA Commissioner”
“Pfizer’s experimental influenza vaccine will not receive approval absent new data proving that it protects seniors against the flu, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration suggested in a new interview.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/pfizer-mrna-influenza-vaccine-failed-clinical-trial-among-seniors-fda-commissioner
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FWIW
“AI is Killing Australia’s CO2 Emission Plans”
“A surge in data center demand is forcing politicians to revise energy transition roadmaps.”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/12/02/ai-is-killing-australias-co2-emission-plans/
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I wonder if anyone has considered whether we actually need massive data centres or not.
I mean, if they didn’t want to turn us all into hackable animals and track, trace, police and micro-manage us all using AI and all the multitude of “systems” springing up everywhere, maybe they wouldn’t need so much electricity.
There might be more for us plebs to use for useful purposes, or even for merely living – but they can’t have that I suppose, not in their new utopian world.
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How long before the medical sector admits their mistakes THIS time?
1950s: Doctors recommend smoking to pregnant women.
“It calms the nerves. Helps with stress.”
Evidence of harm: Mounting.
How long until doctors stop recommending it: 20+ years.
1990s: Margarine recommended over butter for heart health.
Evidence: Trans fats in margarine actually cause heart disease.
How long until trans fats banned: 25 years.
https://x.com/SamaHoole/status/1995526950191002043
Asbestos, DDT fly spray, lobotomies, Mercury, radiation, opioids…the list goes on.
Those around 10 years from now will no doubt read “shocking revelations” about when doctors once dispensed Covid vaccinations which they said were safe.
Unfortunately those doctors can’t be sued as they were forced to take their own medicine too…
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When Iron Man meets Cyberdyne’s T800
“All real footage, no CGI, no AI, no video speed-up.”
Chinese company EngineAI (Zhòngqíng) has unveiled the T800, a powerful, full-size humanoid robot.
https://x.com/TheHumanoidHub/status/1995759737145589843
https://www.streetinsider.com/dr/news.php?id=25685343
Just $85k USD.
I’ll take one! 😁
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An Upper House Rep in the Tasmanian Parliament is more than likely to vote yes for the Stadium. But her fatuous reasoning that she will vote in the affirmative on the basis of a capped price payable by Tasmanians of 875 million dollars. If that CP is exceeded TasGov must seek additional funds from The Federal Government but no indication from The Feds that they will come to the party. So TAS can start building and suddenly discover additional monies are required by which time all the people that gave this dopey Bec Thomas their assurances have all retired. Where to then Bec Thomas? You’re relatively young but will be carrying the shame for this egregious and limited use of the power that a few Tasmanians have entrusted you with. Your Reign will be very short and voted out before the Stadium is finished! Bec Thomas Tasmania cannot afford it!
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There is a lot of this sort of thing about in Godzone also ; city and regional councils regard this sort of caper as core business.
They need to be given the message :-
“The lifestyle you ordered is currently out of stock, and there is none on order”.
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Hence Tori Whanau, Wellington’s ‘indigenous’ ex-mayor, flying the coop for greener pastures ($) overseas… haere ra 👋 good riddance.
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I heard that the City of Dandenong has more people thaa the State of Tasmania. Dandenong had a team in the VFA now VFL
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It seems like only yesterday that BoM called La Nina and its already showing early signs of collapse.
https://climateimpactcompany.com/weekly-enso-diagnostics-is-la-nina-starting-to-end-2-2/
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Talking of the BOM.
Not only their recent fiasco regarding the $96m upgrade to the website but also now recruiting. The BOM have paid one firm ( Hays ) nearly $98m since 2020 to hire specialist staff. Apparently 298 positions awarded to Hays over 6 years. Which averages out at $327k each!
There seems to be a lot of budding meteorologists contributing to Jo’s site. If you’ve got your own company maybe go to the AusTender site and put in an application in. Or go solo. You too could become an “observations stream lead” on $564k/ year. Beats writing up comments for this blog for nothing.
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Sudden Stratospheric Warming linked to Blocking High Pressure.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2025GL115257
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Why don’t they call it what it is: a Cold Wave. No one lives in the stratosphere, we all live on the ground, where the result is … cold.
It’s like: Spend More and Save!
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A three day cold snap is a cool wave.
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Hold a referendum in Ukraine to decide how much territory Russia gets.
Great idea.
That should give Russia time to complete the SMO.
https://www.rt.com/news/628815-kiev-painful-concessions-peace/
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This propaganda says-
“Chancellor Friedrich Merz, who had previously claimed that all diplomatic options had been “exhausted” and his nation was “already in a conflict” with Russia.”
and this propaganda says-
““We are not planning to go to war with Europe, but if Europe wants to and starts, we are ready right now. They have no peaceful agenda, they are on the side of war.” Putin told reporters in Moscow.”
Well, are we all at war with Russia or not?
This propaganda says-
“Pokrovsk did NOT fall! Russia has been rejected – Putin is lying again”
and this propaganda says-
“Russia’s General Staff, Valery Gerasimov, reported taking control over the key frontline city of Krasnoarmeysk (Pokrovsk)”
The odd one is-
“Another tanker was attacked in the Black Sea on Tuesday and was said to be carrying sunflower oil, but Ukraine denied it was responsible.”
So… who blew up the Russian tanker carrying sunflower oil?? Is it really Ukraine that is blowing up Russian tankers at all?
Reality is slowly coming home to the Denys Davydovs, Jason Jay Smart and Military Summary people, they can push all the Youtube propaganda saying ‘Russia is losing’ as hard as they like, but Russia will win and in a decade it will all be forgotten, just as happened with Japan and Germany after WW2.
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Why do you call fact propaganda?
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Its gone H, look at the battle maps. Now the Russians have the road Eastwards out of Pokrovsk, they have closed any Ukie exits from Myrnohrad, trapping any troops left in there too.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1V8NzjQkzMOhpuLhkktbiKgodOQ27X6IV&ll=48.33483558522313%2C37.26303289902997&z=12
or Defence Politics Asia here-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUCfhKoDv6Q
The Ukies better worry about Zaporizhzhia, I don’t think they have the deep fortifications that they had around Donetsk, the Russians could move very quickly across the farmland beside the river.
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Europe is on the side of territorial integrity.
Putin is the warmonger, having commenced a goading, hybrid warfare with some European countries together with his continued push into Ukraine.
According to Putin, you are a warmonger if you fight back against his expansionist agenda.
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Re “Europe is on the side of territorial integrity.”
Do you mean like recreating Charlemagne’s empire?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne
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“Europe is on the side of territorial integrity.”
Funny, America isn’t-
“The Trump administration has dramatically escalated the US war in Somalia, launching more than 10 times the number of airstrikes that the US conducted in 2024, and more than the combined total of airstrikes launched during the 12 years that Presidents Obama and Biden were in office….”I can assure you this is an America First Department of War and president, so we aren’t conducting forever wars in Somalia, we aren’t seeking regime change, and we’re not nation building,” Pentagon spokeswoman Kingsley Wilson said ”
Not a forever war?? Who can still remember when they first invaded Somalia?
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-defends-little-known-forgotten-forever-war
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FWIW
I recall the story of the WW2 German who worked out how the war was going by how much closer to Berlin the latest “Glorious Victory for the Fatherland” was.
I guess you could use the Dnieper River here?
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FWIW –
“Political Lie Detector Test”
https://youtu.be/hef7v6fp_DQ
Via
https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2025/12/in-response-to-reader-comment-on-my.html
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I have always argued that the UN (or a member nation such as Australia in the Cambodian elections) could supervise elections. That this was never considered is a telling point in the fact vacuum in relation to this conflict.
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FWIW – in comments
“Story tip (sorta)
A Singapore company built a wind turbine installation vessel for Maersk, which Maersk canceled, and they want justice. $475 million seems high for a ship, but it’s not clear what special functionality it has or how much of the contract’s payments were canceled, since it is 98.9% complete and three months from delivery.
What it really shows is the collapsing wind turbine market.
https://gcaptain.com/seatrium-launches-arbitration-against-maersk-affiliate-over-terminated-475-million-wind-vessel-contract/
On November 28, Seatrium Energy (International) Pte Ltd issued the notice of arbitration in accordance with London Maritime Arbitrators Association terms, seeking a declaration that Maersk wrongfully terminated the $475 million contract on October 9, 2025.The Singapore shipbuilder is also demanding specific performance of the buyer’s obligations, including taking delivery of the vessel on January 30, 2026, and paying the delivery installment due under the contract.”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/12/02/does-the-global-sea-level-rise-have-a-sinusoidal-variation/#comment-4137259
(My bold)
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Though the worry might be that it is much closer to Oz and “ElBowen” might get excited about removing another lump from Australia’s cheque book.
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Doonesbury on the files question:-
https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2025/11/30
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Global warming is good for the planet.
‘In a new study, scientists have determined that northeastern China’s droughts were far more frequent and intense during the Little Ice Age (LIA) than in the 1950-2021 era of supposedly “alarming” global warming.
‘During the LIA, which the study clarifies as spanning from 1568 to 1850, there were 59 extreme dry events (droughts) in this region, whereas from 1850 to 2021, there were only 8.’ (Notrickszone)
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The 5 hour meeting between the American “make Money not War” delegation and the Russian “make Empires not Peace” delegations has broken up with a predictable outcome – nothing but new Russian demands.
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“nothing but new Russian demands.”
Not that I’ve managed to find… He still has the same ones he started the SMO for-
A neutral Ukraine not in NATO. No NATO missiles in Ukraine.
A smaller ‘denazified’ army that would not threaten the Donbass.
Donbass area becomes Russian.
He talked about it very plainly before starting military action, but no-one in the West listened. They still think Russians are just Communist Americans and open to any deal that can be reneged on later. No, he won’t deal or compromise, those are his objectives and either Ukraine stops the fighting by agreeing, or the fighting continues until he has those demands met. Don’t even think about a ceasefire so the West can build up Ukraine’s forces and put their mercenaries in there, it will never happen.
Lets see if the Euro whiners are true to their word. They are destroying their countries with their woke ruinables, and now want to cut off Russian gas so they can buy far more expensive American gas..
“The EU has announced a deal to ban all imports of Russian gas by autumn 2027. According to the regulation, there will be a legally binding and stepwise prohibition on both liquefied natural gas (LNG) and pipeline gas imports from Russia, with a full ban from the end of 2026 and autumn 2027 respectively.”
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Is the US entitled to invade Cuba to de-communist-ify it?
If not why do you approve of Russia involving itself in a neighbour’s politics?
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That’s a dodgy hill to stand on H, after all the Yanks did blockade Cuba to stop Russian missile being stationed there. …and here we are, NATO want to station missiles 15minutes from Moscow in Ukraine, and Putin says NO!
Now, is America trying to take over Venezuela the same as Russia trying to take over Ukraine?
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Much like renewable energy, which is only winding down from hitting the technological wall (that the screaming passengers in the bus saw coming ten years ago) … the Ukraine war will only wind down once the laboratory for development of drone warfare has sufficiently produced.
Of course Russia has a history of being able to throw a lot of lab rats at the experiment.
Both MICs are rolling hard.
Don’t know about Russia, but the US MSM MIC sycophants never miss an opportunity to undermine Trump’s goals on anything.
I myself have had espresso and a brioche at the quaint little coffee shop in SOHO NYC where Dick Cheney would feed Iraq propaganda to the NYT.
Only the carry out counter.
Too low status to rate the indoor seating.
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I’d bet the mOds could not tell me why my post is hidden a couple of hours after posting.
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As Putin has stated many times in the past, he thinks that Ukraine does not “exist” and his ultimate goal is to reconstitute the Soviet Union’s territories back to the pre-1992 breakup. The groundwork for this has been underway for some time, like splitting the US from Europe who have now woken up.
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Muscovites are experiencing blackouts on a regular basis and winter has only just begun. The war should be over soon and Putin might fall on his sword.
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Goodbye UK, goodbye Europe.
Likely goodbye US once the Dems get back in control.
Man Jailed For Possessing “Extreme Right Wing Music”
Count Dankula
Yeah, the guy that was put on trial in the UK for making a joke video with his dog … nearly a DECADE AGO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKrBDsFBlxw
I’m a bit shell shocked by the fact that that managerial intelligentsia has gone utterly mad.
And we were driven here with the help of the punk alt movement.
How do we undo the punk generation that now jails people for being punk.
The puzzle doesn’t seem to fit.
I can’t see this ending well.
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