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    TdeF

    I find it amazing that we Australians with 1/300th of the world’s population and almost alone in the bottom third of the planet are prepared to shoulder responsibility for all the Climates of the planet.

    It’s so generous of us to cripple ourselves in the Medieval way. Chinese Windmills, Chinese solar panels, American electric cars, shutting all manufacturing and prepared to lock up our natural resources so our gas and coal will not be used for evil purposes, like heating homes. I just wonder about the cost of hair shirts for school children, so everyone can suffer adequately. And with the cost of energy and petrol, we will all soon be walking anyway.

    As I said, it’s really generous of us. Maybe we will get a prize from the UN, an award? It will not be for quality of education.

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      Will+Gray

      Strata the worlds ‘climate CHANGE’S’ Martyr.!!

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      Serp

      We’re always first with the worst ever since Lima and GATT, happy to sacrifice our economy to set an example for others to emulate (they never do).

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      Yonniestone.

      Don’t know about the UN but we’re definitely heading for a Darwin award.

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      Simon

      I find it amazing that Australians don’t acknowledge that they are one of the highest per capita emitters of CO2 (about 10th) and also one of the highest countries in total (about 14th).

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        they do admit it. Maybe not here though.

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        clarence.t

        “that they are one of the highest per capita emitters of CO2”

        So What ! Atmospheric CO2 is much needed.

        Weren’t you aware that Australia is actually a net carbon sink !

        Did you know that even the “simplest” creatures on Earth absolutely require good levels of atmospheric CO2.

        Yes, even you. !

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        Kalm Keith

        A complete and total irrelevance.

        And that applies to the unscientific rubbish about CO2 as well.

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        clarence.t

        At the moment, we are still considered a “developed” country

        We got that way because of our use of Coal Fired Power, as did every other developed country in the world.

        As we continue to build unreliable electricity sources into our grid, that “developed” status will gradually dwindle.

        Manufacturing already pretty much gone.

        Country is surviving on iron ore, coal and other mineral exports.

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        Han+rahan

        The carbon (sic) footprint of miners must be incredible. There would have to be about 100 train drivers on the ore trains from Hamersley to Dampier.

        The largest railway network is larger than any other Australian heavy freight rail network and private ownership having a total length of about 1,300 kilometres.
        Trains are up to 2,400 meters long and fully loaded weigh approximately twenty nine thousand five hundred tonnes having an average cycle time of 28 hours.

        Imagine the carbon (sic) footprint of those few workers and it isn’t for our own steel mills. The whole industry is energy intensive so if you want Aus to emit less CO2 you need to close our mines. And we couldn’t replace our mineral exports with agriculture, it too uses heavy machinery or raises farting cows.

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        el+gordo

        ‘ … highest per capita emitters …’

        That is the problem, it should be about saving the planet, so forget about this per capita nonsense. China’s output dwarfs our small contribution.

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        Mantaray

        Australia is #10 according to the latest figures. It is at roughly 533 million tonnes pa overall which equals about 21 tons per capita per year.

        Against this Australia’s rapidly increasing vegetation is believed to absorb about 1.5 billion tons of CO2 pa = about 60 tonnes pa. thus Australia is the #1 NET REDUCER per capita of CO2 in the world.

        This should make you very happy but I BET it doesn’t, eh?

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        R.B.

        Per capita is important when talking about calories or beer consumption. Its irrelevant when 2 billion people are, sanely, using fossil fuels.

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        Tel

        Show how you calculate that.

        Would it help if we blocked all coal and gas exports for example?

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          Brian+the+Engineer

          If they count our coal and oil exports that would be insane. That is not Australia using fossil fuels that is some other country.

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        TedM

        Yes Simon, on behalf of other countries. I note you overlooked that.

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        Brian+the+Engineer

        Logically we just need more people!

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        Ronin

        Highest per capita ??, huge hot country, longest integrated power line in the world, long distances to go anywhere.
        Suck it up, at least our skies are blue.

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        Ronin

        So you ride a bike simon.

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      Saighdear

      Hmmm, yes – like ‘our’ Scotland – ‘proud to be fighting above our weight’ …. leading the world,…… – to the bottom! and glad that I can call myself a Black Isler from Nigg, no’ a Weegie, look: https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-city-council-bans-polluters-21363436?fbclid=IwAR20DtuFdRQNgKeHUJ327NXFnRBPZDp71EzZfV7zsON82TgW9LeiipZmVis

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        Han+rahan

        Without North Sea oil Scotland would be reduced to exporting kilts around the world to expatriates and their pipe bands.

        Like the Irish, the majority seem to be around the world singing about being homesick. Without Sean Connery and Billy Connoly we might be able to ignore them.*

        *I’m mixed race: English, Scottish, Irish and a rogue Norwegian Seaman.

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      Fran

      If the international news media is anything to go by, Australia is not even a country at present with its state barriers to internal movement.

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    Strop

    From Friends of Science newsletter #352

    The IPCC’s Attribution Methodology Is Fundamentally Flawed

    Dr. Ross McKitrick published an important paper in Climate Dynamics showing that their “Optimal Fingerprinting” methodology on which they have long relied for attributing climate change to greenhouse gases is seriously flawed and its results are unreliable and largely meaningless. He summarized the paper in this blog post. The paper is highly technical, but the results are important and simple. Ross wrote “Some of the errors would be obvious to anyone trained in regression analysis, and the fact that they went unnoticed for 20 years despite the method being so heavily used does not reflect well on climatology as an empirical discipline.” The paper is largely a critique of a paper (At99) that set out the flawed attribution methodology. The IPCC promoted it the third assessment report and falsely claimed in the new AR6 report that attribution to greenhouse gases (GHG) is “Unequivocal”. The growing confidence of the IPCC that GHG are largely responsible for global warming is based on the flawed methodology. The IPCC and climate journals fail to involve people with relevant statistical expertise. The methodology violates an important condition for unbiasedness and tells us nothing about whether the results of an optimal fingerprinting regression are valid. Climate models are constructed assuming that GHG are the major driver of climate change and urban and natural warming factors are ignored. Climate model results are used to test that GHG are the major driver of climate, which is circular reasoning.

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    Ivan

    When will the Arizona audit fiasco results be revealed ?, quite a circus the Reps don’t need.

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      Tilba+Tilba

      When will the Arizona audit fiasco results be revealed ?

      I suspect they’ll keep it going for as long as they can … possibly to November 2022. The purpose of the circus is not to run a forensic investigation and deliver an impartial report – nobody is even remotely suggesting that that will happen – the whole point is to keep the pot boiling, that there was a Big Steal in 2020, and that Nov 22 should be retribution time.

      The Arizona fraudit is the electoral equivalent of endless war. The point is perpetual fear and mischief and doubt, not victory and resolution.

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        And the Left of course want to end the circus and the speculation which is why they allowed all votes to be audited immediately and didn’t run hide and protest at the mere thought of cross checking their “80 Million Record Votes”.?

        Sure. We believe you.

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        Hanrahan

        TT, don’t you find it curious that Cali found it important enough to do a 100% audit of the 9 mill signatories to Newsom’s recall petition but no one ever thought to check if postal ballots had been creased to fit in an envelope?

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      TedM

      Not at all Ivan. The auditing crew are determined to cover all bases. They know it has to work first time.

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    Mark+Allinson

    A Marxist Love Song

    “COVID is God’s gift to the left”

    – Jane Fonda

    My darling Comrade Covid, what a wonder bug you are,
    You’ve brought down more of Capitalism than “climate change”, by far.
    For decades past we did our best to de-industrialise
    By using fear of CO2 and scientific lies;
    And yes, we shut down businesses and industries like this,
    But nowhere near the millions of jobs you’ve killed with your mortal kiss.

    The workers of the world were never going to go our way,
    They had to be forced to lose their jobs and go on Government pay.
    Now millions of those businesses that were the Capitalist spine
    You helped us kill to break the back of that once productive line.
    These businesses, family businesses, once allowed so many to be
    Anti-collectivist, independent, self-supporting and free.

    But best of all, my darling Covid, you’ve given us a stick
    To thrash the conservative, sexist, racist Oiks who make us sick.
    Get back inside, we threaten them, stay under house arrest,
    Muzzle up you running dogs, supporters of the West.
    Oh darling Comrade Covid what a gift you are from God,
    The God named Karl who wields a most severe and punishing rod.

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    Analitik

    German pathologist Professor Schirmacher found that of the 40 bodies he examined of people dying within 2 weeks of vaccination, 40% died because of the vaccine and wants more autopsies performed. Extrapolating from the DAENS reports for deaths associated with vaccination, that would be over 160 deaths caused by the vaccines.

    Peter Schirmacher with the University of Heidelberg in Germany reports that his group has studied 40 people who have died within two weeks of vaccination; he concluded that around 30% to 40% of the total did truly die from the vaccine. This particular researcher believes that the overall deaths following vaccination are underreported.

    https://trialsitenews.com/in-germany-some-groups-suspect-covid-19-vaccination-deaths-are-undercounted-but-not-the-majority/

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      TdeF

      The virus has killed more than 4 million people. The vaccines very few. And people have died despite vaccination. But why did the vaccine cause their deaths?

      Consider that the deaths from the vaccine are likely related to the virus, so the question for those who died is whether they would have also been killed by the original virus or whether the vaccine alone is responsible through a different mechanism?

      I ask this question because I have read about deaths from blood clots, which as discussed at length here is a major way this virus kills. And the question which arises from this is whether these people were killed as a result of even a fraction of the virus. If so, the vaccine could not save them because even a tiny exposure to the virus or a derivative was enough to set in chain the events which killed them. They were potentially far too susceptible to the virus.

      And the reason I raise this is that if it is true, the fear of the vaccine is misplaced. It is the virus which is deadly for these people. Who then knows what their exposure to the raw virus would have done, but you can guess that it would be lethal as well.

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        OriginalSteve

        But by that reasoning, any old thing could be foist upon people……its a slippery slope.

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        PeterS

        A lot of the deaths were with COVID-19, not from COVID-19. Even NSW now admits to that. People die all the time for various reasons. Also, consider the fact that over 400 Australians died so far this year with COVID vaccines not necessarily from CODID-19 vaccines. So to be consistent one could say far more people have died this year with/from vaccines than with/from the virus itself.

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          7 but using your numbers do some simple math (and I did this for you or someone of your ilk a few weeks ago).

          Get the total number of deaths for adults in a calendar year. 20/365 to get the number expected in a 20 day period (ie the reporting period for deaths after a vacc). Multiple that by number of first dose recipients/25 million.

          If you can’t or wont do that then your number waving has absolutely no meaning as what I have given you is the number expected by chance – it is not even corrected for age or morbidiities.

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            PeterS

            Wrong as usual. According to the Australian Government Database of Adverse Event Notifications, there are over 400 deaths suspected of COVID-19 vaccines. This is fact. Check it yourself at https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-entry.aspx

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                PeterS

                That’s right, 7 Australian deaths in ONE DAY with Covid-19 vaccines on the 18th of this month.

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                PeterS

                last month

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                Mantaray

                I explained this to you yesterday….

                There are about 50,000 notified Adverse Events in Oz at the moment. By definition these are unexpected events since a guy with chronic migraines will not be reporting a headache following a vax, while a fella with no migraines might. Similarly someone with chronic asthma / bronchitis will not be whining about coughs and wheezes following a vax. Adverse Events = NEW, unexpected “symptoms”.

                Of the 50,000 notified, about 480 have ended in death. These deaths, obviously enough, are notified by someone else…usually a doctor since hardly anyone knows about the DAEN (ask 100 people at random: do not be surprised that NO-ONE knows). A relative tells the dead person’s doctor, or the doctor is already aware of the EARLIER, new symptoms and the notification is made

                THAT is the chain: Vax… then NEW symptoms, then persistent symptoms and then death = the vax “probably” caused it. Bureaucrats investigate to cover their backsides as their multi-billion dollar vax programmes are duds AND killers. CMOs and CHOs do not tell us plebs where the DAEN is, DO THEY? why not? The biggest arses need the biggest covering.

                Nope, they obfuscate. The bureaucrats ask the doctors if their Medicare Number is important to them. They also ask if “Vax = Good, Everything Else = Bad” is known to them. They ask if they know that recommending some non-vax thingy can get you struck off or even five years in gaol.

                And then the Doc says “I see what you mean. Probably was just bad luck. I won’t report any more such trifles”

                As a result…any reasonable onlooker can guess that the real death count is probably ten-fold what’s on the DAEN. Are you reasonable?

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                PeterS

                Yes Mantaray, very good. Also, on the other side of the coin the deaths reported as a result of the virus itself are over inflated for a number of reasons. They have been covered before several times.

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              TedM

              Was 454 at last count.

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x-biB_JrcU
      CDC Reveals Hospitals Counted Heart Attacks as COVID-19 Deaths

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    Brenda Spence

    Great map of Africa showing the countries using Ivermectin and the corresponding death rates (Craig Kelly on Telgram from Dr Robert Malone). The contrast is stark.

    https://t.me/craigkelly/734

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      Dennis

      Spectator …

      “Hon. Greg Hunt MP, Minister for Health and Aged Care, has written regarding ivermectin in a reply to Sen. Malcolm Roberts (27 July 2021). “It remains open for doctors to prescribe existing medicines ‘off-label’ based on their own clinical judgement”. Indeed, this has always been the case.”

      Minister Hunt commented in November 2020 in reply to a question about Ivermectin that patients are being prescribed Ivermectin by doctors in hospitals administered intravenously case by case decisions.

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        Ronin

        “It remains open for doctors to prescribe existing medicines ‘off-label’ based on their own clinical judgement”. Indeed, this has always been the case.”

        I wonder what the AMA think about this.

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          Robert Swan

          Why would you care? The AMA is just the doctors’ union.

          AHPRA and TGA (and who knows how many others) are the regulators.

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        Analitik

        Meanwhile, the TGA continues to warn doctors against prescribing it for CoViD

        Treatment of COVID-19 is not a permitted indication for any TGA-approved Ivermectin products, which means that the TGA has not assessed the safety and efficacy of these products for this condition.

        https://www.tga.gov.au/media-release/risks-importing-ivermectin-treatment-covid-19

        So while there is no explicit ban, the TGA warns off doctors from using it to treat CoViD unless a patient is willing to explicitly sign off on it and the TGA is a government department under Greg Hunt’s portfolio,

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      Chris

      Brenda, That deserves 5 thumbs up . 👍👍👍👍👍

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        Serp

        Agreed; I forwarded the link to a pair of logic recalcitrants in the hope of generating a small eddy of cognitive dissonance in the MSM treacle washing their brains.

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    Analitik

    For the prior 24 hours, 120 new cases in Victoria, 23 in the ACT, 75 in NZ – all well up on the previous 24 hour period

    Yep the lockdowns are going swell.

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      Dennis

      What might the situation have been if there were no lockdowns and restrictions in place limiting exposure opportunities generally?

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        Mantaray

        Dennis. Like townsville where the Delta Sheila had 900+ contacts and Cairns where the Delta Cabbie had hundreds in his taxi? Ummm..NONE?

        The Oz govt already told us when they put out their dud tracking app that they would only be following up on close contacts OF 15 MINUTES+, and you can bet that was quite a buffer as well.

        I’m guessing you’d need to be VERY close for a VERY long time to get enough virus to become “infected”, like say locked down with someone in Victoria or NSW…maybe?

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          Yonniestone.

          Up close and personal eh?, lucky for us Dan Andrews hasn’t got covid-19, he’s been rooting everyone for months.

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            and falling down stairs LOL

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            The virus is a cluster spreader. It’s expected that people who are not superspreaders (like in Townsville) will not super-spread it. So it’s just luck (until we figure out how to understand and predict who is a superspreader).That’s a priority. If we knew who wasn’t a superspreader we wouldn’t need so many restrictions.

            AS for lockdowns, Taiwans cases with alpha variant went from 16 – 600 in two weeks in May. The lockdown is stopping that kind of exponential rise. It’s working but not well enough. And Dan’s biggest mistake was in letting the virus cross the border so many times. Too many times. No virus = no lockdown. Though that is now history probably thanks to one leaking Limo driver in NSW.

            But Big Pharma are very happy that Australians suddenly have a reason to get triple vaxed..

            Shutting down is entirely about hospitalization rates. It is inevitable, and sadly, it will probably happen for a while longer in some form even with magical fairy vaccines here to save us. All depends on what mutants we let in.

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          OrignalSteve

          Were forgetting one thing – this virus is not worth shuting down anything for.

          This is not ebola or the black death.

          Why are we letting whole countries be held to ransom over some lightweight virus?

          This is about vaccine numbers.

          Recently the ACT said it would basiclaly keep a lockdown until the rest of Oz was at some stupidly high figure like 80 or 85% or even higher.

          OK, so thats putting a whole nation effectively under house arrest for some lightweight virus.

          But the real driver is “getting vaccines into arms”. They have been blatant about it.

          So in real terms, its not about the virus, its about the vaccine.

          Why?

          What is it that has taken on a religious-like “crusade” to double-tap every man, women and child?

          History lesson :

          Australians didnt want to get involved in Iraq. The population wanted to avoid it.
          Then Bali bomb happened…destroyed our sense of peace…..people couldnt sign up quick enough.
          Significant trauma.
          Social engineering 101.

          Australians didnt want the vaccine ( smartly ).
          Crush freedoms with arbitrary lockdowns until people comply.
          Significant trauma.
          People comply.

          Australians didnt want gun registration
          Port Arthur happened….significant trauma.
          Australia got gun control.

          Same pattern.

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            Wow- did John Howard organise Bali?

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              OriginalSteve

              Why dont you ask him?

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              Mantaray

              Funny you mention John. I recall the tidal wave of mockery and derision when he very calmly said, “Ne Alert but Not Alarmed”

              And here we are now with full on ridiculous and preposterous hysteria and histrionics: Ooga booga from every politician…screaming “be alarmed. be alarmed. be afraid. be very very frightened. we is all gonna die…and THAT unvaxed scoundrel over there wants to kill your granny!”

              Which response was more that of a mature adult, do you reckon? And the other more that of frightened imbeciles?

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              ghl

              I think he was more a “Never let a crisis go to waste ” kind of a guy.

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            Ronin

            1941, The American people want to stay out of the ‘European’ war, the govt/military look the other way as Japan bombs Pearl Harbour, mad scramble to ‘avenge the sneak attack’.

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        Serp

        That’s a bit if-me-auntie Dennis, anybody’s guess surely; remember, real life outcomes are very often counter-intuitive.

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        Tilba+Tilba

        What might the situation have been if there were no lockdowns and restrictions in place limiting exposure opportunities generally?

        Exactly … you beat me to it. It’s the same as the Y2K fizzer syndrome – it was only a fizzer because people put in huge amounts of work for the years prior.

        The tough decision for state governments is determining the “sweet-spot” – what is the number of cases that each state must live with to lift lockdown, without being unrealistically low, but also not so high that contact tracing gets out of whack, and 100 cases become 1000 pretty quickly.

        The Delta Variant is a tough gig. The other big drama is when will the various states open up their borders to the other states … will anything happen much before 70-80% full vaccination, or some other time?

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        Gary+Simpson

        Dan and his pet Brett apparently had access to some brilliant ‘modelling’ which showed their lockdown strategy has saved 6000 Victorians from contracting the China variant. We ought to be on our knees giving thanks. As if we are not on our knees already.

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      Will+Gray

      Yep outside covid dies.

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      Tel

      Sydney is getting warmer weather and more sun, we are through Winter at last. That’s going to have more benefit than all the lockdowns put together.

      Melbourne and Canberra eventually will follow for the same reasons although the cold weather hangs around perhaps a month longer.

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    Dennis

    Regarding restrictions and lockdowns in NSW, notably in some Sydney suburbs, an earlier general lack of cooperation by migrant communities ignoring social distancing, home visit numbers or ban on visitors etc., is why those suburbs have the highest by far number of COVID-19/Delta patients.

    And so many ordered into home quarantine ignoring orders and leaving the quarantine dwelling as discovered by police patrols consisting of a police officer and an ADF member carrying out welfare checks and when necessary arranging for food supplies or whatever is needed to be delivered.

    But generally too many people from lockdown suburbs have ignored the restrictions and travelled into regional areas.

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    Will+Gray

    CompleteTRUTHAUSTAYAH. https://youtu.be/ktxW4Og3uDA
    Reposted because it’s a cracker .

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    Peter Fitzroy

    The USA played the coal China game really well, but at Australia’s expense. Despite all the rhetoric USA is exporting more coal than ever to China, and Australia is exporting virtually nothing to China. All this is after the USA convinced Australia to take a poke at China about Covid. With friends like the USA, we get to go to war, loose markets, and with our response to climate change, become a laughing stock of the world

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      Klem

      You’re letting your self-loathing show again, Pete. It must be difficult being you, you have my sympathy.

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      RickWill

      but at Australia’s expense.

      Yeh – tough being a coal miner in Australia in 2021:
      https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/coal

      Exports from North Queensland for July up on last year:
      http://www.sxcoal.com/news/4633262/info/en

      The woke world needs more RE energy collectors from China and that bodes well for Australian exports. Australia needs to applaud the woke policy of EU and USA with their endless push toward random energy extractors. Never has there been such a massive waste of resources and it is underpinning a HUGE demand for Australian commodities.

      The greatest economic threat to Australia is the prospect of low cost, low risk nuclear fission or fusion – that appears a long way off.

      Australians do not need to do a thing other than support the highly productive gas, iron ore and coal exporting industries. Australia can bring in the low paid workers to support primary industry to keep the population fed. The rest is just shuffling money about, looking busy, buying everything made in China and spending up on overseas trips once vaccinated.

      Australians need to get behind RE. They can even pretend to use the woke monuments to make electricity from random weather.

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      Tilba+Tilba

      Despite all the rhetoric USA is exporting more coal than ever to China, and Australia is exporting virtually nothing to China.

      All the more reason why we should have our own modern, state-of-the-art coal-fired power stations. If the Chinese aren’t buying it, why not use it ourselves and save the cost of costly windmills and solar?

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        Graeme No.3

        Tilba
        Great idea. Replace our coal-fired plants and generate reliable electricity (except when the wind blows or the sun shines which rather stuffs the economics). Of course when they are running we would get lower CO2 emissions (for what that is worth in brass razoos).
        Or we could close down our expensive, unreliable wind turbines and chinese solar panels and get even cheaper and reliable electricity and about 22% drop in CO2 emissions. No need to waste those renewables – we could ship them to Africa (the same as the EU is doing, except they wait until those renewable aren’t working) if we can find any country gullible to want them..

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      Dave

      Peter, you state Australia

      “loose markets”

      Absolute rubbish, despite the Chinese Communist Party’s unofficial edict to state-owned steel producers and power stations to stop importing Australian thermal and coking coal, we have enjoyed a boom in coal by exporting to more reliable countries. Monthly coal exports hit $3.16 billion – the biggest in four months, to January 2021 and to June it is looking even better!

      Send you Super to a CCP super fund to help them Peter!

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      clarence.t

      https://www.worldcoal.com/coal/30062021/argus-media-australia-sees-stronger-coal-exports/

      https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2221124-australia-exports-record-high-thermal-coal-to-india

      Do try to keep up !

      And yes, anyone that follows the “climate change” meme of installing irregular, unreliables that cause grid disruption and price increases, really should be a laughing stock.

      And yes, with Biden blithering and stammering his demented way as US president, USA really have become the laughing stock of the world.

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      el+gordo

      The Alliance leader encouraged us to poke Beijing in the eye with a burnt stick, over the accidental release of a WMD. The FU form of American capitalism, free market rules, is on the wane. We should quit the Alliance before a demented old codger drags us into war with our biggest trading partner.

      Our response to climate change is rational on the national and international stage, best not mix your memes.

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      Peter Fitzroy

      Cleaver to miss the point – USA China trade in coal up, despite the rhetoric, Australia China trade down.

      Please try to address the points I make and although that would require thought and not sky/fox news

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        Dave

        Peter,

        Wrong, ONLY Australian – China trade in coal is down.
        But we’ve picked up other markets, that happens when customers get the poos with you!

        But the USA is a net exporter of coal.

        China is about 11th on their list as of June 2021 and represents less than 4% of total exports.
        USA couldn’t care less, (And Joe BID DIM wouldn’t have a clue) they love INDIA and will never support CHINA as a huge supply!

        Why do you think trade with CCP is the ultimate goal of traders in Australia?

        You were talking about COAL weren’t you Peter?

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        another ian

        “Cleaver to miss the point ”

        You doing a Chopper on something?

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        clarence.t

        You didn’t make a point, as usual, PF

        Australian coal is going gang-busters, its just the market arrangement that have changed

        Is that too much for you to comprehend !

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        clarence.t

        “and not sky/fox news”

        Not one of the links cited by anyone had anything to do with sky/fox news.

        [SNIP insults. Attack the message not the man. – Jo]

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    Brenda Spence

    Pharmacists come between dr and patient over Ivermectin.

    “Therefore the PSA recommends that pharmacists do not supply ivermectin for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19. Should pharmacists be unable to establish intended use of an ivermectin prescription, supply should be declined.

    As a Member of PSA, we are here to support you. If you identify unusual requests for ivermectin, please make contact so that we can pass your concerns to regulatory authorities”

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/public-health/2021/08/ivermectin-chemists-place-themselves-between-doctor-and-patient/

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      Analitik

      Pathetic. And we can’t even discuss agricultural ivermectin here anymore

      [You could if you supplied an email that I could reach you on. I tried? – Jo]

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        RightOverLabour

        What’s this ban on Agricultural stuff?

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        RightOverLabour

        Well, have a look at this blog across the Ditch. It’s founded on absolute Freedom of Speech https://ysb.co.nz/

        Be warned that anything goes and the language is far from restrained. And there are no topics that are off-limits, and virtually no moderation. Agricultural products ingested by humans are widely and keenly discussed.

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        beowulf

        Have I missed a moderator’s directive somewhere?

        [No. You have not. Some people are assuming things. – Jo]

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          RightOverLabour

          I posted a comment on having a chat at another blog. May have used banned words but never mentioned the “I” word. Ho menzionato i prodotti agricoli e il consumo umano and that may be naughty.

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        RightOverLabour

        Australia – Land of the Free… Pity about “Incitement”

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        Tilba+Tilba

        [SNIP ]

        There might be some very slight argument for HUMAN Ivermectin – that used for River Blindness in Sub-Saharan Africa – but the serious medical data supporting this is very skinny indeed. Ivermectin cures certain parasitic diseases – there’s no serious evidence it has anti-viral qualities.

        To discuss or promote, or in any other way endorse, the use of horse de-wormer by humans – that is right up there with the most fruit-loop. Darwin Awards I reckon.

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          RightOverLabour

          I suppose this is not serious evidence. Just a crappy medical journal

          https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

          Ivermectin is Ivermectin. Period. As long as it’s only Ivermectin.

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            Lucky

            That is a very good paper. It squelches what TT says.

            From the paper-
            Ivermectin is not a new and experimental drug with an unknown safety profile. It is a WHO “Essential Medicine” already used in several different indications, in colossal cumulative volumes.
            Corticosteroids have become an accepted standard of care in COVID-19, based on a single RCT of dexamethasone. If a single RCT is sufficient for the adoption of dexamethasone, then a fortiori the evidence of 2 dozen RCTs supports the adoption of ivermectin.

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              Tilba+Tilba

              I haven’t seen “a fortiori” used for a long time.

              Human Ivermectin is effective in treating River Blindness, and other parasitic disease. It doesn’t have anti-viral qualities that have been medically proven – neither does HCQ.

              We hear anecdotally of “miracle cures” through the application of Ivermectin … we don’t hear so much about maybe lots of people who either caught or succumbed to Covid-19, despite using Ivermectin.

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                Chad

                Tilba+Tilba
                September 2, 2021 at 7:44 am · Reply
                Human Ivermectin is effective in treating River Blindness, and other parasitic disease. It doesn’t have anti-viral qualities that have been medically proven – neither does HCQ.

                We hear anecdotally of “miracle cures” through the application of Ivermectin … we don’t hear so much about maybe lots of people who either caught or succumbed to Covid-19, despite using Ivermectin.

                ? Just as a small indicator…… i guess you didnt bother looking at Brenda’s previous post at #6 ?

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      OldOzzie

      Thanks Brenda – Sent to MPs

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      Destroyer D69

      Pharmacies are soon to become vaccination centres as I understand.This is obviously a source of great income. Repeat consults and “Jabs” for as long as the fear can be upheld. Contrast with the dispensing of ONE script for Ivermectin which almost totally removes the need for vaccination or “Booster” stabs. Chemists are in business to make money first.That is unfortunately, their right and their decision.

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    The ACt update because YOU demanded it. 23 today, 11 infectious for a period in the community.

    19 17 22 16 11 8 19 16 30 9 14 21 26 13 12 13 23

    On a question Jo asked about unknowns and contact tracing. Links are being made but IMO not fast enough. Total numbers are trendless at this point sticking to a 17.5 average and a static SD over a long period. However the “infectious in the community” number is creeping up with an almost upward trend (soon to be significant I fear). The contact tracing has to stop this rise and soon, otherwise total numbers are going to go up and they will lose control.

    The cause – according to the press release – is transmission in workplaces where adherence to distance and masks has been poor. hmmm maybe.

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      OrignalSteve

      Im convinced they just make random figures and provide zero transparency.

      Until they show us the actual tests and can certify full chain of custody of the results, its not really believable……

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      Dave

      Just wondering about Vaccinated people?
      ACT has 2nd highest full vaccinated rate in Australia after Tasmania.

      Do you think this could result in some behaviour changes of QR checking, compliance & mask wearing etc.

      Sometimes the feeling of safety could be misguided maybe.

      Have the vaccinated become complacent?

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        Tel

        We had some idiot hanging around here telling us he was “bulletproof” after being vaccinated.

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        beowulf

        Read this link and it will all become clear to you Dave. Nothing to do with getting complacent. They have kicked an own goal.

        The takeaway line:

        “You see it in each country, it’s the same: the curve of vaccination is followed by the curve of deaths.”

        It begins.

        https://www.globalresearch.ca/two-top-virologists-frightening-warnings-about-covid-injections-ignored-government-big-media/5753731

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          Mantaray

          beowulf. This was all “foretold’ by Sucharit Bhakdi in that Perspectives video a couple of months ago. Plenty of nice analogies and turns of phrase, and easy enough for even the most determined NOT to get it (Gee Aye etc) to follow,

          The mRNA is escaping from the muscle injection site and lymph nodes into the blood-stream where it is not “supposed” to go. Cells lining the blood vessels are being “programmed” by the passing mRNA to make spike proteins, which then protrude into the blood, making contact with passing platelets…especially in slow-flow areas like the brain. Next thing there’s a clot and a headache and then maybe worse. Cells in the lung vessels (capillaries etc) are ALSO programmed into making the spike.

          This passes and then a genuine coronavirus….OR A SECOND mRNA shot….arrives and the antibodies from “Round One” join in battle, PLUS the already-programmed-cells add further support = infection, illnesses and deaths. We are now in that phase.

          Thus does the vax curve precede the death curve.

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            Tilba+Tilba

            Thus does the vax curve precede the death curve.

            There have been 19 million vaccinations in Australia (12m first jab, 7m second jab), and the number of deaths from the vaccine have been miniscule. It’s a very big “trial”. Of those who have died of Covid-19, many have not been vaccinated, and many had other health issues.

            The vaccines are safe and effective – and will almost guarantee that you won’t suffer serious illness or death if in the less likely event you’re infected at all.

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      Thanks for the numbers GeeAye. It’s a shame ACT numbers are not showing Ro <1.

      What kinds of workplaces are still open in the ACT? Is it still the rule of "work at home if you can, but work at work if you can't? Or are the limitations on workplaces more restrictive this year than last?

      I have a feeling that other countries like Spain and Italy last year had more severe rules on workplaces.

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    yarpos

    Laughing stock of the world; what a BS line that is. When you live overseas for a while you realise what a flyspeck Australia is on the world stage.

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      Han+rahan

      With Biden in the spotlight we are even less of a flyspeck.

      I’ve never lived O/S but I suspect that our standard of living makes us the envy of many who know nought of our politics.

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      Tilba+Tilba

      Laughing stock of the world; what a BS line that is. When you live overseas for a while you realise what a flyspeck Australia is on the world stage.

      I would argue on two fronts: (1) we are a not insignificant middle-tier nation, with quite a bit of world presence in a number of ways, and (2) when you’ve been overseas for a while you do realise what a great place it is to have been born in, and to live in.

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    Ray Sheldrick

    This is an important symposium from concerned doctors, professors and scientists. It is worthwhile making the time to view each session.
    https://doctors4covidethics.org/symposium/

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    Dave

    Sorry to quote the ABC media:

    But the new strain is MU-WUFLU

    The deadly South American new MU strain is about to arrive!

    But don’t worry the Double VAXED will have to be Triple VAXED with a NEW VACCINE!

    The WHO is all over it and says will will be able to survive it!
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/what-is-the-mu-variant-covid-delta-who/100424026

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      David Maddison

      I think this is quite an interesting and important 15 min video from Dr John Campbell in the UK on new approaches to thinking about COVID.

      There’s something for everyone, no matter what your position on COVID.

      I would appreciate any comments.

      https://youtu.be/JhRb5hnTseU

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        Fran

        What he does not say is that of the “everyone” that will be exposed, not all will get sick. In fact, he implies that all will have to get sick.

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    David Maddison

    Ohio Judge Orders Hospital to Treat Ventilated COVID-19 Patient With Ivermectin

    Li Hai

    August 31, 2021 Updated: August 31, 2021

    A Butler County judge in Ohio has ordered a hospital to administer Ivermectin to a ventilated COVID-19 patient, granting an emergency relief filed by the patient’s wife.

    Butler County Common Pleas Judge Gregory Howard ruled last week that West Chester Hospital, part of the University of Cincinnati’s health network UC Health, must “immediately administer Ivermectin” to patient Jeffrey Smith following his doctor’s prescription of 30 mg of Ivermectin for 21 days, the Ohio Capital Journal reported.

    Smith, 51, is a Verizon Wireless engineer in Butler County. According to the lawsuit (pdf) filed by his wife Julie Smith, Smith tested positive for COVID-19 on July 9, and he was admitted to West Chester Hospital on July 15. On the same day, he was moved to an intensive care unit (ICU).

    Smith’s condition continued to decline, and he was placed on a ventilator on Aug. 1. By Aug. 19, the ventilator was operating at 80 percent volume, with Smith’s chances of survival dropping to less than 30 percent, court documents read. At that time, the hospital claimed to have exhausted all options in its COVID-19 treatment protocol.

    “At this point, there is nothing more the defendant can do, or will do, for my husband,” Julie wrote in an affidavit included in her complaint.

    “However, I cannot give up on him, even if the defendant has,” Julie continued. “There is no reason why the defendant cannot approve or authorize other forms of treatments so long as the benefits outweigh the risks.”

    Julie had read about some lawsuits reported by Chicago Tribune and The Buffalo News where patients in severe condition from COVID-19 later recovered after being given Ivermectin.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

    https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/ohio-judge-orders-hospital-to-treat-ventilated-covid-19-patient-with-ivermectin_3972447.html

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      Serp

      TdeF has already deduced and broadcast here what these people have realized, that everybody is going to be exposed to this virus. Given the usual form of the inflexible Australian authorities we’ll be continuing in the ruts established so far. Groan.

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    David Maddison

    This was meant to be a separate comment, not a reply as it was accidentally posted above.

    I think this is quite an interesting and important 15 min video from Dr John Campbell in the UK on new approaches to thinking about COVID.

    There’s something for everyone, no matter what your position on COVID.

    I would appreciate any comments.

    https://youtu.be/JhRb5hnTseU

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    Environment Skeptic

    With respect:
    Eric Clapton/ Enough is Enough
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNt4NIQ7FTA

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    William+Astley

    A Boston, reporter (twenty years ago) while researching the history, of the ‘treatment’ of psychotic illness and depression found that there was an unexplained statistical increase in the number of people in the US, who are classified as disabled due to ‘mental illness’. In the US there has been an increase in the number of people who are classified as disabled (cannot work and will be affected with this ‘illness’ for duration their life) of 35 times for children and 4 times for adults.

    This statistical increase in mental illness correlates directly with the number of people in the US who are taking ‘anti-depression’ drugs and ‘antipsychotic’ drugs.

    There are more than 100 books that have been written by insiders that outlines how the Pharmaceutical Industry took over the universities and research to create a market for pharmaceutical drugs to ‘treat’ mental illness.

    This take over was done/was necessary to hide the side effects of the drugs and hide the fact that the drugs were no more effective than placebos in the tests. The drugs do not work. Mental illness (depression for example) is not cured by chemically altering the brain.

    ‘Antipsychotic’ medicines (primary mechanism, dopamine suppressors) for example reduce brain activity which causes the brain to shrink. Reducing brain activity does not cure mental illness. Reducing brain activity makes it possible to ‘control’ people who gradually lose their natural personality due to the brain damage.

    Long term these dopamine suppressors cause horrific permanent brain damage that causes the patient to move and jerk uncontrollable. The brain is required to control/regulate internal body functions. Suppressing dopamine in the brain, causes organ damage and brain damage. The suppression of dopamine in the brain, causes the patients who are treated with antipsychotic medicines be ‘depressed’.

    https://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Epidemic-Bullets-Psychiatric-Astonishing/dp/1491513217

    Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Drugs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America

    “This plague of disabling mental illness has now spread to our children, too. In 1987, there were 16,200 children under eighteen years of age (William: In the US) who received an SSI (William: SSI social security disability insurance) payment because they were disabled by a serious mental illness.

    But starting in 1990, the number of mentally ill children began to rise dramatically, and by the end of 2007, there were 561,569 such children on the SSI disability rolls. In the short span of twenty years, the number of disabled mentally ill children rose thirty-five fold (William: and the prescriptions of psychoactive drugs to children has also risen by 35 times). Mental illness is now the leading cause of disability in children, with the mentally ill group comprising 50 percent of the total number of children on the SSI rolls in 2007.”

    The pharmaceutical industry is absolutely corrupt. Corrupt at the concept level where the chemicals which are given to mentally ‘ill’ people cause their brains to shrink and cause complex chemical changes which cause cyclic pharmaceutical induced, chemical depression.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g5312/rr/775731

    Benzodiazepines and risk of Alzheimer’s disease
    “Yaffe, Boustani and Fairbanks (1) commented on a carefully conducted study that showed that exposure to benzodiazepines doubled the risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease. They found it likely that use of benzodiazepines lead to permanent brain damage, which they called neurodegenerative disease. My preference is to call a spade for a spade, which is more easily understood by the patients. It is less clear that we talk about a drug induced harm if we call it a “disease”.

    We know that antipsychotics shrink the brain in a dose-dependent manner (4) and benzodiazepines, antidepressants and ADHD drugs also seem to cause permanent brain damage (5). Leading psychiatrists and the drug industry usually say that it is the disease that destroys people’s brain, but it is very likely the drugs that do it, which also animal studies have found. This is an important reason why I advocate that we should use psychiatric drugs very little, and mostly in the acute phase, if people are seriously disturbed.”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3736946/

    The drugs don’t work? antidepressants and the current and future pharmacological management of depression

    Our society is so corrupt and controlled… Amazon.com hides what is in books.

    This book summarizes how much money has paid to select individuals, in the US, with the result that standards were written to enable/ensure (create laws/force legislation) brain altering drugs that do not work and damage brains, are be prescribed to children in the US and to adults.

    https://www.westonaprice.org/book-reviews/psychiatry-influence-robert-whitaker-linda-cosgrove/

    Psychiatry Under the Influence: Institutional Corruption, Social Injury, and Prescriptions for Reform

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      Fran

      Psychiatric drugs are over used and sloppily prescribed. However they do have a place.

      Take the case of a student of mine who had an acute psychosis and was hospitalized. He did what all 22 y/o’s do soon after he was released: stopped his meds. After a second hospitalization, with a supportive family and more insight than most, he agreed to take the high doses for a year despite side effects. After the year the psychiatrist helped him to titrate dose to just keep him stable. Through this he returned to school and is now in a PhD program.

      The key in this case was his insight. Lacking this he would go a more typical course of oscillate between hospitalization and medication to release and off meds. The disorganized behaviour leads to multiple social problems, and frequently suicide. I admire the people who work with such cases to try to get them to be able to live independently and sometimes even into employment. Dissing the whole medical profession is not appropriate. The problem medics/nurses/social workers are those who only went into their professions for secure good incomes, and even some of these are very competent.

      A colleague of mine who became psychotic in medical school and learned on his own many years ago to titrate his meds described learning the sign, for him that “people were starting to follow him”. He also increased his dose when he anticipated stress. He had abandoned doing any clinical medicine and has been a productive university researcher and teacher all his life.

      In regards to treatment of depression, doling out drugs to the unhappy occurs far too often, and in my experience, GP’s frequently prescribe doses that would be inadequate for a major depression in any case. However, major depressive disorder is a very serious illness with a 5% mortality/year untreated due to suicide. My grandfather jumped off the Sunnybrook bridge in Toronto in 1932 after struggling for 2 years with a bankruptcy. Now we are looking at the consequences of the Lockdown bankruptcies emerging over the next few years. Hopefully most of them will obtain effective treatment from professionals who care. And that treatment includes appropriate use of psychiatric medications.

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      Ronin

      Mental illness is the new ‘crook back’.

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    another ian

    “Two Top Vaccine Officials Resign From FDA

    The two officials are leaving the FDA in part because they are frustrated with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) involvement in the vaccine approval process, as well as with White House pressure to move forward with booster vaccines for COVID-19 without FDA’s approval, a former top FDA official told Endpoints.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/09/01/not-suspicious-at-all/

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    CHRIS

    The Pharmaceutical Industry has the mental-illness diagnosis down pat. There’s always a pill for every type of mental illness…YEAH RIGHT!!

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