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Were the Dems shocked by Trumps lead, and panicked and made mistakes?

On election night the hardest thing to believe about the dumps and step jumps in Michigan and Wisconsin was that they were so transparently inept. Would they seriously drop 138,000 votes and 200,000 votes, that were nearly 100% for Biden?

Michigan Wisconsin voting

….Click to enlarge. Source: Fivethirtyeight

It makes sense if the Democrats hadn’t counted on Trump being ahead by such a large margin — like 700,000 votes in Pennsylvania. People make mistaken when in a panic.

Rudy Guliani below — makes that claim, and asks us also to wonder if polling site managers all woke up on November 4 and decided independently to put Republican observers  behind barricades  in Philadelphia, Pittsburg Detroit, Flint, Milwalkee, Las Vegas , Reno, and Pheonix, but not in the rest of the nation. Only in Swing States.

Conveniently the number of votes in Philadelphia that don’t have a chain of custody is about the same as the number of votes Biden was behind. Likewise Michigan.

There are now 50 to 60 witnesses with affadavits. In Michigan one whistleblower has come forward from the Democrat team, who has described the long preparation and training for cheating as well as the last night misadventures. But the scale of the fraud got to her.

 There is still a path to victory

As Rudy says this was “The Voter Fraud theft of the century”:

Guliani doesn’t even mention electronic cheating. How far was Biden really behind?
The Trump team have set up — and the real count.

EverylegalVote.com

Electoral Map, States with fraud allegations marked.

States with fraud allegations marked.

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120 comments to Were the Dems shocked by Trumps lead, and panicked and made mistakes?

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    I have been trying to spread the word around that Trump is President. The mainstream media will not adjust their data correctly and is generating an enormous amount of fake news as Biden no longer has 270. Certainly is entertaining.

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    Graham Richards

    The whole sorry mess will now start to unravel at an ever increasing speed.
    The Republicans will thehave 4 years to prosecute those responsible.
    USA will be a different country once the political criminals get their comeuppance.

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      OriginalSteve

      Good…bring it on.

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      Graham
      I do hope that this is true. But we need to stop the pretense that the media are anything but utterly biased and quite frankly the false declaration of Biden seems to have gone through but was utterly wrong. The media need to be dealt with somehow and make a very clear distinction between reporting and opinion.

      This is a huge issue here with Channel 9, the Project and the ABC (and many others) pouring out biased news, fake news and misinformation all the time. The key beneficiaries are continually the Greens and Labour. In Australia if Trump does something I would hope similar happens here, but with Scomo and a parade of incompetent sycophants as Communications Ministers good luck.

      I come from a factory background where people talk in plain language and bullXXit artists are called out quickly. The Coalition needs to stop trying to be everybodies friend and start running the country in a hard nosed and common sense fashion. Stop the pandering, stop the climate change rubbish, stop the banning of HCQ in fact stop being a Leftist agenda under another name and a bit slower.

      My view is that a 3rd party will emerge in the next couple of years, full of people fed up with Scomo and Albo and their abandonment of their key constituents.

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        PeterPetrum

        Let’s hope so because, as a long term conservative voter, both here and in the UK, I feel I can no longer vote for ether party. Morrison is a total, complete failure, sad to say.

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          Graham Richards

          Peter,
          Before the recent Qld election the LNP actually sided with Greens on coal. I’m supposed to vote for this miscreant..

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      Ross

      WOW that will do it! This is going to be huge news! 2 million votes!!

      A ‘report’ that Trumps thinks he may have heard about.
      What codswallop. How do you fall for this very obvious nonsense?

      Just the usual twittering from the twit. He’s been posting this silly thoughts for years. It excites the base.

      Either Trump pulls off a coup, or he leaves. Get over it.

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        Orson

        Data Geeks have replicated the measured anomalies in vote numbers reported at the time of the election overnight counting, using the same software used in states at issue.

        In fact multiple groups have been at work identifying how the Great Cheat was done.

        Just as under vote patterns can detect undervotes from illegal race discrimination, so over vote patterns can reveal electronic ballot stuffing.

        Be careful what you wish for. You might still receive the opposite in spades.

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      OriginalSteve

      In the Dem camp, the air raid sitens should be sounding about …..now…..

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    GD

    Should Trump prevail, I’ll enjoy seeing ScoMo having to retract his congratulations to Biden.

    The Australian media won’t retract however, they’ll just buckle down and claim that Trump stole the election from the wonderful, avuncular, lovable, Covid curing Joe Biden.

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      David Maddison

      ScoMo is happy for a Biden win because it gives credibility to the global warming scam and will encourage ScoMo to commit Australia even more heavily to economy-destroying expensive and unreliable electricity.

      ScoMo is only slightly less bad than the worst we could expect from Greens or Labor. However they are all UN lovers, globalists and Marxist sympathisers, while many or most in Greens and Labor are actual Marxists.

      Biden intends to spend US$2 trillion on unreliables. On the basis of a Biden win I wonder how much ScoMo is prepared to throw away on such a garbage electricity supply?

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        David Maddison

        I meant a claimed Biden win, not an actual one. It’s disgraceful that ScoMo congratulated the self-proclaimed President with nothing official. Especially as he is only apparently president due to an illegal coup.

        Not even Kim Jong-un has congratulated the Presidential Imposter. What does that say about Sco-Mo?

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          el gordo

          The PM is diplomatic and behaves correctly, as a statesman.

          ‘ScoMo is happy for a Biden win because it gives credibility to the global warming scam … ‘

          Scott isn’t covered in green sludge and in a post pandemic world we’ll do it our way.

          ‘ … and will encourage ScoMo to commit Australia even more heavily to economy-destroying expensive and unreliable electricity.’

          Subsidies have come to an end, but governments are not averse to buying into the market to fill gaps. Its pretty much out of our hands now, these ugly monstrosities blighting the landscape maybe around for awhile.

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        GD

        I am perplexed about what has happened to Scott Morrison from the time he brought a lump of coal into the Parliament and to now when he is blatantly embracing the globalists.

        This isn’t the ScoMo we voted for.

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          PeterS

          I was convinced some time ago Morrison is a fake. His continual push for reducing emissions was the last straw.

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            GD

            And the crux of the matter is: mankind’s carbon dioxide emissions are beneficial to the planet, not damaging, or degrading, or destructive.

            Mankind’s releasing of sequestered CO2 into the atmosphere has only resulted in increased plant growth and increased subsequent food production.

            It has not resulted in global warming, catastrophic climate change, rising sea levels, droughts, floods, or hurricanes.

            Let’s burn the coal, use the uranium, and get on with making Australia great again!

            When, and if, coal and uranium run out, I’d expect citizens in the year 3000 will have figured out a way to power their homes and industries without needing a carbon tax or emissions target.

            They’ll be laughing at our childish belief that CO2 is heating the planet and that nuclear power is somehow a curse from the devil.

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            Analitik

            I think Morrison is merely being politically expedient and lacking courage rather than being fake.

            The MSM has him cowed, particularly now with Rupert’s call for his empire to disavow Trump and endorse Biden.

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              David Wood

              Surely you mean lachlans, egged on by his greenie wife Sarah.

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                Gee Aye

                A greenie who changed her name and got married? She must be confused.

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                el gordo

                ‘Rupert Murdoch’s Fox Corp shares tumbled with speculation ramping up that President Donald Trump might back or launch a rival news service after he leaves office.

                ‘American news site Axios reported on Thursday, citing unidentified sources, that Trump is planning a subscription-based streaming platform similar to Fox Nation, a $US6-a-month service launched two years ago.’ SMH

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            ghl

            Any decent audit of temperatures and “The Science” would cast doubt. Scomo, take note.
            I see Hunt is the minister for Covid. He was the minister who refused to have a temp audit because he feared people would lose confidence in the science.Strange how the same players are involved.

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          David Maddison

          BoJo has also flipped to the globalist agenda.

          The only world leader of significant power who has the courage of his convictions and sticks to them is Trump.

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            PeterS

            Which is one of many reasons why big business as well as the left what to get rid of Trump.

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            Serp

            These green consorts are killing us; Boris’s fiancee has forced Dominic Cummings’s gang out of Downing Street which may lead to a hollowing out of Brexit.

            Trump needs to prevail for this green mischief to be put to flight for another four years.

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          MP

          Well at least we know he is controlled, these world leaders congratulating Slojoe when the election has not been called has exposed the scum.
          Slomo is compromised, he was named in the Woods royal commission into institutional child abuse, John Howard sealed the report for 90 years, (what are you hiding Jonny) these are not hearsay accusations these were the findings from Police investigations.

          The victims were silenced but they started web sites, they full on slander the perps but nothing is said no law suit is actioned to shut these victims down, they want to be sued, they want their day in court.

          The ,Morrison government is pushing a bill through right now to silence the victims of their abuse “for their own good” to prevent them being identified, they want to be known, they want and deserve a voice.

          The site one started Pedosdownunder has been closed down.

          https://www.larryhannigan.com.au/world-events/40c-fiona-pedos-in-australian-govt-and-royalty/

          Morrison is compromised and therefore controlled.

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      Meglort

      Methinks ScuMo and that bumbling muppet Boris have some intel they would prefer buried.

      Problem is that every major political party in Oz is aligned to the corrupt NWO.

      Given that this appears to be the old banking cabal trying to take back what they lost in 1776 and we are still an imperialist colony with the head of state being that snake.

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        el gordo

        Firstly, the two Oz majors are not involved in any cabal, the Trans-Tasman Bubble is a brave new world, but thanks anyway for your insight into apocalyptic millenarian madness.

        ‘Skeptics, such as Michael Barkun and Chip Berlet, observed that right-wing populist conspiracy theories about a New World Order had not only been embraced by many seekers of stigmatized knowledge but had seeped into popular culture, thereby inaugurating a period during the late 20th and early 21st centuries in the United States where people are actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios.

        ‘Those political scientists are concerned that mass hysteria over New World Order conspiracy theories could eventually have devastating effects on American political life, ranging from escalating lone-wolf terrorism to the rise to power of authoritarian ultranationalist demagogues.’

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          Kalm Keith

          Wow. That last paragraph seems like a scenario that might be invoked by those in power to Kontrol us.

          While I dislike terms such as Left and Right they can save time in directing attention to the right spot: same for New World Order.

          The NWO can cover a lot of activity that seeks to bleed out the lifeblood of decent society.

          The NWO could include the United Bloody Nations, the European Extremists Union and various manipulators and scroungers at all levels of political activity.

          NWO does not associate with looking after the general public.

          i.e. NWO sux.

          KK

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            Meglort

            It was primarily the UN I was referring to but perhaps more the WEF.
            Interestingly all those threat actors you mentioned are getting on the turps together at the moment in good old blighty, having a party during lockdown.

            I was indirectly digging into the origins of the geopolitical order when researching aspects of archeological and heritage policy on something else.

            It is interesting to see how the current state was arrived at since the enlightenment and why the world is the way it is, where global capital went.
            But conspiracy? I think EG has taken the blue pill.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Da4YQCTUw

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              MP

              “I think EG has taken the blue pill”
              I think his off his meds altogether.

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                el gordo

                This statement rings true ….

                ‘ … during the late 20th and early 21st centuries in the United States where people are actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios.’

                Life imitates art, another American blockbuster based on the Second Coming.

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              el gordo

              Meg, what part of The Enlightenment do you see parallels with the present time?

              BRICS will ultimately become a hub in the new world order with Beijing leading, looking to promote a system of balanced global governance.

              The old world order, with its hegemonic tendencies, will presumably fade into history.

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                Meglort

                No parallels, just the observation that the anglo-western traditions and the controllers of capital, religion and traditional power. They are those behind the WEF, who is behind the donks and manifested through the colonial powers and their vassal states of which ours is one. UK is head of the G7 from next year.

                “Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.”
                (Revelation 13:1-5)

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    GARETH LEWIS

    The complicity in this disgusting episode of global media and so-called leaders is arguably the most frightening part. We really are latter-day Eloi.

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    sophocles

    I was highly amused, when I checked in to a news site to follow the POTUS election progress, and heard the latest.

    It’s now known as — sorry: it’s currently being called “The Legacy Media” rather than the MSM. 😀

    I’ve taken a stock take and I have to go out to update my popcorn supplies. Darn. I thought I had enough but it’s Friday the 13th … so somewhere in there I made a (minor) miscalculation.

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      We still have dumb ass politicians still trying to talk and negotiate with the Biden team.
      Totally drinking the CNN coolaid.
      When this pops, the shock and terror on the politicians faces will be quite a sight.
      Like when he first got voted in and the media was totally shocked…Priceless…

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        GD

        When this pops, the shock and terror on the politician’s faces will be quite a sight.
        Like when he first got voted in and the media was totally shocked…Priceless…

        Oh, God, I hope you are right.

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      Fuel Filter

      Trump calls it “Fake News Media”.

      Appropriate moniker, doncha think?

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        sophocles

        “Fake News Media”.

        Can’t say anything derogatory at all. It has a piquant accuracy. 😀

        Even Cheatin’ Joe would have to appreciate that aspect …

        After 2016, I was expecting a Trump win as all the polls and forecasting were doing exactly what they did in 2016, but I hoped it was going to be a Trump landslide. I can wait for Due Process.

        (I’m actually pretty impressed with my own restraint, so far.)

        I’m looking forward to seeing the present President Trump handing over to the next President Trump on the 20th January next year. 😀

        As for the Legacy Media, aka the FNM (Fake News Media) — Fox is the one so close to being Legacy — well, there are going to be casualties. I might make myself available as a Konsultant to help them out just a bit:

        “Ya gotta be honest, Honest and HONEST. If you can’t do that, you’re gone, Gone, and GONE.
        And that includes the propaganda known as AGW and Climate Change. You will have to label it ‘A Paid Political Advertisement.’ ”

        With Fox’s impending crash, I hope Tucker Carlson comes through. He was one who has been always straight with his audience.

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    Travis T. Jones

    If you had nothing to hide, wouldn’t you encourage a quick, open and transparent review and recount asap?

    That’s if you had nothing to hide.

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      Richard Jenkins

      Unfortunatelya recount will not expose the fraud. The issue is mainly the rolls and where the votes came from. Were the post dates checked and or fraud as whistleblowers have sworn? Recounting will not expose vote harvesting. It has to be evidence from statements because physical proof is unattainable. Perhaps photographs of screening out proves lack of transparency?

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        A recount may work if votes with no chain on accountability are excluded.

        But yes, many harvested votes will go through. but fake signatures, interstate voters, dead people, perhaps they can be excluded.

        All the states are close ex Michigan and PA, but both those have huge slabs of votes that were not handled properly and can never be confirmed after the fact.

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          Richard Jenkins

          Jo ‘if’ . I agree. Democrats were harvesting nursing homes. Amazing numbers of people over 90 ‘voted. Signatures were checked against application and NOT with rolls. I ondered why they only voted for Biden and did not vote for any other positions. The explanation was they did not have enough time because too many had to be done. They will be counted. This is a fraudulent election!

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          Orson

          A survey reported in a standard Washington, DC outlet — Politico — found that 70% of Republican DO NOT believe that the election was free and fair.

          As problems and awareness of the biased cheat election grow, this percentage will too.

          Former White House strategist Steve Bannon argues that the Constitutional solution that’s provided involves state Legislators sending no slate or new slates of electors to Washington, DC to meet and vote and deprive Dementia Joe of 270 Electoral Votes needed to win on December 14th.

          This will automatically charge the House with the task of selecting the next president. Since the House vote in this event is by state block, and not individual membership, Republicans (at 28) are favoured over the Democrats (22).

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    Truly amazing to see the politicians at work lying to the people so blantent and easily.
    https://www.rt.com/usa/506518-schumer-pelosi-republicans-denying-reality/

    Now who denying reality?
    Our politicians.

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    Maptram

    If 138,000 and 200,000 votes suddenly appeared, nearly 100% for Biden, were there equivalent numbers of votes for the democrats in Senate and House elections, or were they also 100% President only voters.

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      Blokio

      yes this needs to be addressed. Those ballot contain multiple elections at once. It is hard to see how anything like this could pass scrutiny (btw, it didn’t)

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      PeterPetrum

      Maptram, my understanding is that the votes were changed to Biden, but the down form votes for the House and Senate were not. These led to about 8 Republicans gaining House seats from Democrats, so something is wrong there. It would seem that it was too involved to switch more than two Names.

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      Orson

      Maptram — The later, I believe.

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    PeterS

    All this proves one of two things, perhaps both.
    1. There is a concerted effort on the part of all Western leaders to get rid of Trump AT ALL COSTS and by ANY MEANS.
    2. All Western leaders apart from Trump of course are clueless and easily fooled into believing anything reported by the MSM, including the CAGW hoax.
    I believe #2 is a certainty with #1 classed as a certainty in thought and desire, and at least a possibility in promotion and action.
    As a consequence, I find it hard to see how Trump can win in the end even if he remains as President in the face of so much hatred from all sorts of people. In any case I do hope he stays as President only to postpone the inevitable authoritarian regime change we will have to face one day given the push by so many Western governments and big business to focus on reducing emissions and whittle away our freedoms. Reality bites.

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      sophocles

      There is a concerted effort on the part of all Western leaders to get rid of Trump AT ALL COSTS and by ANY MEANS.

      Because he’s told the UN the US is not going to follow where that bunch of crooks leads.
      That’s Very Naughty in their consideration. Why, it might just wake the People of the World up to the dreadful future the UN has planned for them. While its still being planned …

      We have to convince our Pollies to exit the UN.

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      Meglort

      I would expect the direction has come down from the GG via our future King that our puppet government is to toe the line and proceed with the plan.

      https://larouchepac.com/20201110/joe-biden-has-transfusion-team-and-wall-street-excited

      “The land of the free…whoever told you that is your enemy”

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    David Maddison

    I wonder if Biden could be prosecuted under the Logan Act? He is not an authorised person to act on behalf of the United States yet he is coming dangerously close to negotiating with hostile entities such as China and Iran while not being President.

    Even receiving congratulations from foreign leaders such as “our” ScoMo, for a job he does not yet have, is highly questionable under the Logan Act.

    See https://www.thedailybeast.com/hannity-equates-biden-taking-congratulatory-calls-from-world-leaders-to-michael-flynn

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    Richard Jenkins

    Public Companies and Socialists are both spending other people’s money! i am anxious about honesty and freespeech but the truth is that fraud has been running both the soialists and countries that thought we were free. There ABC for example has been lying to us for years. MSM have been at least as dishonest as China. Perhaps we are not losing our freedom because it was stolen decades ago. Donald Trump called out fake news. He is therefore a hero!

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    Simon

    Live voter updates were sometimes done by party, so large jumps would be recorded by both sides.
    Genuine sceptics look for the most simple and logical explanation first.
    There are multiple checks and balances to stop high level fraud from occurring.
    None of the Trump court cases to date have implicated fraud, it has mostly been about observers or very small numbers of votes. All have been dismissed as either frivolous or hearsay.
    The margin of Biden’s victory is too high. The result of Georgia’s election might change in a recount but the others won’t.

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      RicDre

      “Live voter updates were sometimes done by party, so large jumps would be recorded by both sides.”

      If this comment is addressed to the graphs above for Wisconsin and Michigan, why weren’t there big swings in both direction instead of only one big swing in Biden’s favor? Also, isn’t it just speculation on your part that this is what caused the big swing for Biden?

      “The margin of Biden’s victory is too high”

      Actually, according to those graphs, the swings were move than enough to flip the election to Biden.

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      sophocles

      Simon:
      You are premature.
      There is no victory yet.
      For anybody.

      It’s only when all counts are validated by all states and they have lodged and certified their results, can a victory be claimed.

      Some states will have to have the validity of tens or even hundreds of thousands of votes examined slowly and by hand in a recount. That’s days away … It depends on what the SCOTUS orders (that’s one of the coming big decisions for Pennsylvania …) and is willing to accept.

      So:
      Patience Grasshopper.

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      Tim C

      OMG! A voice of sanity and reason, a rarity since this website went down the rabbit hole.

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      dadgervais

      U.S. citizen here; my dad was a local election official for 20 years (post-war till late ’60s) and I call B.S. on this fake-fact!

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    John R Smith

    Most of the people I know would choose a fraudulent election and subjugation to unseen tyrants over Trump, due to the brainwashing carried out by those unseen (coughing, holding hand over mouth, DemUN/Chicom) tyrants.
    Nancyhilobamabiden knows this.

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    Analitik

    Dead voters in Pennsylvania being exposed by the Trump campaign (although at least one of the obituaries linked has been scrubbed)

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-campaign-highlights-alleged-dead-voters-casting-ballots-pennsylvania

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    Nick T

    O/T I have just noticed that Microsoft Edge is not displaying this post. It is only displaying up to Thursdays Unthreaded comment #11.

    Can anybody explain this?

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      MP

      Reload and give it lots of time, happening to me as well, comes good eventually.

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        Nick T

        It gets stranger and stranger – I have now tried to access this post on a notepad of mine and my wife’s PC and the same thing is happening. Only Displaying up to yesterdays Unthreaded Comment #11 (Including IE11 on my wife,s PC. Only my PC and IE11 on it are displaying later Threads/comments.

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      BruceC

      No problems here. Win10 Pro + Edge

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        I am trying to upgrade things that will increase the speed. So there are changes which may have caused. Glitches. Latest post “Testing 1 2 3” is looking for feedback to see what has worked and where the bugs are.
        Thanks! There does seem to be a Chrome issue. I haven’t tested Edge.

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    Nick T

    O/T Further to the above the same is true for Firefox and Chrome. The only browser I have showing this post is Internet Explorer 11.

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      RicDre

      I displayed this thread on both Edge and Chrome and they both display comments down to #19.

      The only odd thing I’ve noticed for the last few days is that when I click on a thread on Jo’s blog, at first I get the thread without any comments then after a pause the comments are displayed.

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    Back in the 1950s Algis Budrys wrote a story called The Burning World that makes several political points. The action turns on an election held entirely by electronic voting, with a government official having an overview of the vote as it comes in overnight. At first he expects the son of the retiring President, his personal friend, to win.

    But as the challenger slowly draws ahead, he decides to hack the results; just a few votes to compensate for what must surely be mistakes by the voters. As the hours go by, he needs to make larger and larger changes to keep his man ahead. It’s a feedback situation, the classic ‘tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive’. By morning he’s left with a grossly and obviously corrupted database and knows the voters are never going to believe the result. Revolution is in the air.

    (I wrote this from memory, details may be wrong, but you get the idea…)

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      RicDre

      “Back in the 1950s Algis Budrys wrote a story called The Burning World”

      That sounds like an interesting story which I will try to find at a used book store. The only reference I can find to the story is as part of a collection by Algis Budrys called The Unexpected Dimension. Can you remember if the story you read was part of this collection?

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    frederik wisse

    A lot of commentators are way too pessimistic . Like in the usa with all the votes for Donald Trump people are getting fed up with the totally corrupt politicians and the consequences , frauds , lying and cheating. Here in western-europe the political establishment is at the verge of collapse .The covid scam , the green deal , the crazy eu – centralisation , the un agendas from 2020 to 2050 , the new world order idioacy is getting clearer by the day and especially the more educated en commonsense people are running away from the political parties and establishment , which is like the usa and russia , a nomenclatura not selected on merit or engagement , but only on loyalty towards the ruling class .This is going to split our societies , but do not worry , a new group of thinking , deeply moral leaders will emerge ,whereof Donald Trump is the perfect example . He surrounds himself with beauty , showing a higher standard of being than the left who are only able to talk about inclusivity and sustainability in order to hide their hunger for power . This is the reason that i am so optimistic because the only true way to stay powerful is by serving the people , the electorate .

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    I don’t blame President Trump right now for not talking with the media.
    They are too focused on their fantasy that Biden is President Elect and only attack on why he hasn’t acknowledged their favorite.
    Once that zit is popped.

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    Evidence Please Please

    “ Its not a lie if you believe it “
    George Costanza

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    Forrest Gardener

    What is the source for those step jump graphs? And can they be reconstructed from official data?

    Heck, it would be really nice to know what data is stored when a vote comes into the system. Is it possible for example to discover how many registered voters for each party actually “voted”?

    If I was going to rig an election I would want to know exactly what I can plausibly deny and what evidence I need to destroy.

    If I was going to design a rigged voting machine I would want to know exactly what audit trails exist and where vote total manipulation will be completely untraceable.

    And the biggest question of all is whether republican states will be prepared to refuse to certify apparentely tainted results.

    In some ways I think that if the republicans and the Trump campaign did not have tripwires in place then they deserve to have the election stolen.

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    BruceC

    You know when the chairman of the FEC (Federal Election Commission) makes a statement, there’s ‘Big Trouble In Little China‘ (pun intended)

    The FEC chief added, he agrees with the Trump campaign’s lawsuits and said their observers were denied meaningful access. Trainor also said questionable actions by the Democrats may render this election illegitimate.

    “That’s a process that is to be observed by election observers, the law allows those observers to be in there,” he continued. “And if they’re not then the law is not being followed, making this an illegitimate election.”

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    Alice Thermopolis

    Even if true, the matter has moved beyond Trump/voting fraud to protecting public faith in US democracy.

    Few folk want to go there, except Presidents Putin, Xi, etc. The rest/MSM prefer to embrace/trumpet that the election was “free and fair”.

    It would take a brave judge somewhere in US legal system to order a deeper dive into the current cesspool of possibilities, especially given decision deadlines looming in December/January.

    Why encourage public disorder over the election outcome, when the stock market is surging and further enriching the wealthy, while the Fed prints money for the less wealthy with such gusto, as if there is no tomorrow?

    Anyway, the self-described ELDERS have spoken. It said yesterday that Mr Trump “should follow the example set by his predecessors and declare himself willing to accept the verdict cast” by voters.

    Former Irish president Mary Robinson chairs The Elders and says it was “shocking to have to raise concerns about US democratic processes” as the group has done in Kenya, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe.

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      Crakar24

      So Alice you are saying a judge can either appease half the country by condoning vote fraud or strike it down and appease the other half and by doing so ensuring future editions are free and fair…well until the next tyrant arrives. Brave judge indeed

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        Alice, declaring that this vote was legal without a thorough investigation will do nothing to restore faith in the US democracy.

        But it will reduce faith in the US Justice system as well.

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          Alice Thermopolis

          Jo, agreed, but that’s the way it seems to be going at the moment. I’m not condoning it at all.

          Election officials have just come out with a public statement saying this was the “most secure election in US history”. No surprise, but close to declaring that this vote was “legal” despite the complaints?

          Hard to believe,of course, if only half the posts on your site about it are true.

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            Crakar24

            Ah yes Alice but when you are up to your neck in fraud there is no turning back you must continue to push on. Normally things would have gone according to plan as it has in the past, the only mistake they made was they tried to f&$#k over the wrong president

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          Alice Thermopolis

          State and federal election officials have declared they had “utmost confidence in the security and integrity” of the election, directly contradicting Donald Trump’s claims of fraud.

          “The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history,” the officials said in a statement on Thursday (Friday AEDT). “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

          The statement acknowledged the “many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections” and urged Americans to turn to election administrators and officials for accurate information.

          The statement was signed by officials from the Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council, which shares information among state, local and federal officials, and the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council, which includes election infrastructure owners and operators.

          Among the 10 signatories were Benjamin Hovland, who chairs the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, and Bob Kolasky, the assistant director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, part of the Department of Homeland Security. (Source: Bloomberg)

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          Evidence Please Please

          The voting system is no different to 2016, or any other election, why is it now suddenly fraudulent given ZERO verified evidence to the contrary.
          It seems some people will torture logic to any degree in order to justify their’ beliefs.

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    Yonason

    Dems cheated more in the 2020 election than I’ve seen in the last 20 years I’ve been paying attention.

    Another Rudy video
    https://youtu.be/tjmiyZVEECU

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/532074379501371413/774849893511987210/biden-post-it-v1.png

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    Ross

    Were The Dems shocked in to panicking because of Trumps early lead?
    Err…no.
    In person votes counted first, followed by postal votes. Once you tally the two, there’s your result.
    Not liking the result is not a good reason to try and sidestep the will of the people. Count em again if you want. But you don’t want that, do you Jo? Trump has a better way to cling to power.
    Dangerous ugly stuff.

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    PeterS

    All this proves one of two things, perhaps both.
    1. There is a concerted effort on the part of all Western leaders to get rid of Trump at all costs.
    2. All Western leaders apart from Trump of course are clueless and easily fooled into believing anything reported by the MSM, including the CAGW hoax.
    I believe #2 is a certainty with #1 classed as a certainty in thought and desire, and a possibility in promotion and action.
    As a consequence, I find it hard to see how Trump can win in the end even if he remains as President in the face of so much hatred from all sorts of people. In any case I do hope he stays as President only to give us one last chance to postpone the inevitable authoritarian regime change we will have to face one day given the push by so many Western governments and big business to focus on reducing emissions and whittle away our freedoms. Reality bites.

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    Simon

    Press release from the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA):
    https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election
    Are CISA part of the deep state conspiracy as well?

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    Simon

    Trump’s lawyers had their first win today, where a PA judge ruled that about 2,100 mail ballots without proof of ID should not be counted. The irony is that those votes were never counted for that reason.

    https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania-election-trump-lawsuits-legal-challenves-id-mail-ballots-commonwealth-court-20201112.html

    Then there was the case yesterday that was so frivolous that the judge terminated the hearing immediately and published an eight word ruling: “I’m denying the request and dismissing the petition”.

    This procrastination is inane and ridiculous.

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    Simon

    Wikipedia is maintaining a list of lawsuits relating to the election.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lawsuits_relating_to_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election
    None allege fraud. If someone has proof, they should take it to court.

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    Crakar24

    PA supreme Court declared postal votes after election day are invalid good enough for wiki?

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    nb

    Blogger and YouTuber Greg Hunter says he has spoken with a programmer who says Dominion was overwhelmed with the need to balance the votes, so many initial votes went Trump’s way, that it started doing crazy stuff (the technical term is my own) to make the balance-plus-1 Biden’s way.

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    Hanrahan

    I made a post on hotcopper to the effect that dems panicked and added the google search enquiries graphic from an earlier thread. The haters’ heads exploded.

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    Lucky

    Jo’s question,
    Were the Dems shocked by Trumps lead, and panicked and made mistakes?

    I am thinking about the Biden rallies in the days before the vote, very low attendance, a few people standing in marked circles wearing masks. Some rallies were attended only by press and officials. One explanation is- they were not trying, they were relying on the very thorough manipulation plans.

    A good deal of planning went into the examples given here on this and earlier threads, ballot-harvesting,removing observers so mis-counting was not seen, the training of staff as in Penn, etc. The control of the voting machines and the algorithms needed careful planning which allowed for flexibility. It appears that the machines were operated in “real time”, that is, How is it going? How many votes do you need? The proportions switched were adjusted to suit. I do not say that actual people made question and answer phone calls, it could be fully computerized with control of coefficients as well as parameters. The scale must mean that months of preparation were taken.

    But were they initially trusting the polls? No, those at at the top knew the polls were manipulated. The polls were designed to produce a desired result that could be mirrored by the ballot manipulations.

    What we know so far tells us this is not some amateur gangster raid but clever large scale organized crime.

    So my answer is, No. Dems were relying on the press to keep quiet, and the courts. Planning was done before the death of Judge Ginsburg.

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      sophocles

      So Cheatin’ Joe’s outburst of having created “the world’s best vote fraud process” (however he phrased it) should be taken really seriously?

      And prosecuted?

      Maybe that could turn into be a ticket to prison … keep a bag packed Joe!

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        sophocles

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        dadgervais

        From a 100% Trump supporter, give old slow Joe a break. It was the cabal that selected him for the figurehead position that engineered the cheat, not Joe himself!
        I doubt O’Biden can even understand what happened.

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