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“One minute we were America, then next we were China…”

So we now know for sure it was Hunter Bidens laptop. It’s his signature on the service agreement. The emails have been cross checked. None of the Bidens will even deny that the laptop belonged to him or that the emails are not authentic. But more frightening than the years of corruption of some of the highest office in the USA, is the censorship. Two weeks to go and the major media outlets won’t ask, and possibly worst of all, neither will the FBI. 

USAToday did not even ask “is it true”. Were these his emails? No journalist wants to know. One CBS reporter asked, and Joe Biden turned on him, didn’t deny it he just called it a smear campaign. Then everyone dumped on the reporter, and no other reporter would ask anything tougher than what’s the flavour of your ice cream.

Our ABC watched CNN and served it up: Most Australians would only know “it’s a smear campaign” and the FBI is investigating the Russian connection. It’s all a big conspiracy: Rudi Guiliani is a Russian agent…

Hear from the wonderful Australian Miranda Devine:

It’s like we need little care packages for victims of Pravda-media.“Here’s what they didn’t say…”

Where were the FBI?

The FBI had the Hunter Biden laptop for 10 months and did nothing while Trump was being impeached. As JeffID says — there was not one whistleblower. Not one patriot left? But they uncovered some anti-Trump BLM And Antifa guys who allegedly were plotting to kidnap Governor Whitmer in Michigan. What a handy Fake News PR moment for the Dems.

Lloyd Bilingsley writes about the FBI involvement:

The FBI-generated indictment in Michigan, “has all the earmarks of what has become that corrupt agency’s standard operating procedure,” explains Angelo Codevilla, who spent eight years supervising intelligence agencies for the Senate Intelligence Committee. The FBI’s method is to “place agents among the target group, stoke their sentiments, and lead them to say or do something that could be characterized as a crime, then arrest them and claim credit for foiling a plot.” In intelligence lingo, this is “provocation,” but “in legal terms, it’s entrapment.”

As Codevilla recalls, the FBI once performed dangerous work investigating the Communist Party, but the agency is now “a bunch of lazy bureaucrats eager to serve the ruling class’ prejudices” and limiting its vision to politically correct “profiles.” Under the previous president, the profile of a terrorist was not an Islamic jihadist such as Maj. Nidal Hassan, who murdered 13 and wounded more than 40 at Ford Hood (sic) in 2009.

For POTUS 44, the profile was those who distrust the federal government and value their liberty, faith and constitutional rights. In Michigan, as Codevilla notes, the FBI monitored social media for “excess concern for liberty.”

 

The Ministry of Truth

Democrats are planning for a possible Trump win. They want a Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

Just like with ClimateGate, the way to make a scandal go away is to have 8 committees investigate a tangential point and declare they found nothing. What they don’t want is for you to hear both sides and make up your own mind.

True democrats want the voters to decide, not some hand-picked committee.



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h/t David E, Fuel Filter, Another Ian. Bill.

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114 comments to “One minute we were America, then next we were China…”

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    Another Ian

    Hi Jo

    Just above the bold “For Potus 44″

    “Ford Hood”

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    Contemptible Blackguard

    The Serial Number, the Serial number, the serial number will reveal where the thing was sold and it wont be hard to prove if they dig dig dig and keep digging. God help us all if this crook gets his hands on the till.

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      Greg Cavanagh

      Clinton 1 and 2, Obama, even the Bushes. They’ve been in the till for years. That’s why the place is now on the brink of a Civil War.

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    Ruairi

    In the U.S. the land of the free,
    Where millions embraced liberty,
    There are forces hell bent,
    With malignant intent,
    To spread terror and tyranny.

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    Neville

    Another top post from Jo covering the latest on the Joe and Hunter Biden corruption and fra-d scandal.
    But is the US left wing media just as corrupt as Joe and Hunter? The attempted cover up will be their biggest mistake and it will only be a matter of time.
    If Trump somehow pulls off a miracle on NOV 3 the Bidens will suffer the blowtorch of full exposure in very quick time.
    And more to come from Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani in the next few days.

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    William Astley

    Google searches no longer link to the Fox and Breitbart articles which layout how the idiotic comedy team Hunter Biden and Chris Heinz explain in their own linking emails ….

    …. Which there are piles and piles of independent evidence to corroborate.

    Twenty years ago.

    No sane company/company executive would have dared (this would be unimaginable twenty years ago, because there was a ‘free’ press twenty years ago.) directly interfere in a US election…. by hiding hard evidence of corruption at the highest level in the US government.

    There are now piles of evidence of an internal conspiracy in the US to enable the Democrat party/China to take over the US.

    This is not a couple of bad apples. This is deep state corruption that takes an evil plan, monitoring, and money (lots of money and lots of minions) to keep on track. This is an outside the US plan. Minions working in the US would spill the beans. Big plans require lots of minions and a few bad guys to keep on track.

    This is treason. The masters of the universe would not dare interfere in a US election. They are doing what they are being told. And I would expect/know they are scared. At this stage in the evil plan there will be strange tough men used to keep the plan on track.

    The masters of the Universe, including and in particular Google, could lose their companies and end up in jail.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/20/exclusive-biden-defectors-emails-reveal-hunters-associates-viewed-direct-pipeline-to-administration-as-currency/

    ….a form of “currency,” and bragging that they had a “direct…pipeline” to the Obama-Biden Administration.
    In another email, Hunter Biden’s associates touted Hunter’s access to the White House and contrasted his willingness to “take on risk” with that of Chris Heinz—then-Secretary of State John Kerry’s stepson and a close friend of Biden and Archer—who was uncomfortable with some of their potential partnerships.

    Ironically Obama is now going to help save us. The irony is corruption in the Obama administration enabled the Chinese attack.
    Obama is meeting with a group of US Republican senators to discuss the Chinese attack and its logical goal.

    Obama knows the US is lost if the US election goes ahead. Trump cannot win. Obama is going to legitimize, the new at war US government’s formation. Trump is not involved. Obama wants him removed but Trump is going to become the new gov’s figurehead.

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      AZ1971

      This is an outside the US plan.

      Don’t kid yourself. McCarthy didn’t get rid of the Communists back in the 1950′s … they decided it would be easier to lay low and insert themselves clandestinely into key positions to destroy us from the inside. And worst of all, it appears to be working.

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        Richard Jenkins

        Read the 45 communist goals. Written in 1958. Read in congress 1963. This is avery serious election. It is modern warfare and propaganda is far more dangerous than bombs. Berlin wall tumble was winning a fight against socialism. The war continues.

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        David Maddison

        This describes Rudi Dutschke’s “der lange Marsch durch die Institutionen” “long march through the institutions”.

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      sophocles

      The masters of the Universe, including and in particular Google, could lose their companies and end up in jail.

      that would be great.

      Not just google but Farcebook’s Sukkaberg too!

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      Hivemind

      “Google searches no longer link to the Fox and Breitbart articles”

      That’s why I don’t use Google any more. Try duckduckgo.com instead.

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      el gordo

      ‘…. to discuss the Chinese attack and its logical goal.’

      It was an accident of history, not a concerted attack by Beijing, more likely a lone wolf at the Wuhan Institute did something really crazy.

      This is a Claytons war, without a shot being fired the Western world is brought to its knees. If we survive, then reparations are in order because they shouldn’t have been manufacturing a first strike WMD.

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    Another Ian

    O/T but around this area (IMO)

    “DOJ Files Long-Awaited Antitrust Suit Against Google”

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/10/20/wsj-justice-department-to-file-long-awaited-antitrust-suit-against-google-today/

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    Neville

    If 50% of Rudy Giuliani’s allegations about the Bidens are correct then they are very corrupt indeed.
    Here’s the latest FOX interview and plenty of interesting info to come in the next few days.
    Perhaps we can now understand who the big guy is? Who knows?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78c-XaRhB9k

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      If 50% are incorrect then that means he made them up?

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        BruceC

        C’mon Gee Aye, what’s made up? There’s no 50% – it’s all 100%! Giuliani has a copy of the hard drive (as does a few of the store owners friends – in case something happens to him), the FBI HAS the laptop.

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        Gee Aye, why would they bother making up 50%? If they had, say, 13,000 crooked emails, they don’t need 26,000.

        You think if Hunter Biden didn’t brag about paying his pop half the $ he wouldn’t have said something?

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          exactly. It is all or nothing. “Neville” did not think it through.

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            TedM

            No, all Neville said was that if 50% of what Rudy Giuliani says is correct then they are very corrupt indeed.

            The other 50% are totally irrelevant to Neville’s case.

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              Ted O'Brien.

              My take on the 50% is that, given that there is work involved to validate the story, and that some may be hard to identify, the first 50% may be sufficient to validate the whole.

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            glen Michel

            Can’t quite grasp it can you GI. Hope you don’t mind if I sit this one out….

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      OriginalSteve

      If the major players on the Left are as interconnected as we think , and this seems obe playing out with the social media companies overt censorship of the Biden boys, then we should also see the militant foot solders mobilized en mass to deliberately make the Trump v2.0 adminsitration so busy holding america to gether that the rats will quietly skulk away while everyone is distracted…..

      That said, and as I mentioned yesterday, I also suspect this could spin around on the Left and bite it hard on the rear end, as normal Americans who want thier country back from the communist jackals, directly take the looters and rioters to task in the streets and put down the insurrection. If this turns out to be the case, the fortunate ones will be those leftist thugs arrested and safely banged up in prison before the citizenry implement the old wild west form of justice.

      People think it cant happen….not true….having seen people almost brawling over toilet paper here in Oz, it can.

      Civilization only functions with law and order, and the Left knows that. If it can collapse law and order its thugs can go beserk, but they will have to deal with an angry and armed citizenry…which is fight they cant and wont win. Protecting your family is the most primal and important thing you can do.

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      UK-Weather Lass

      If someone claims to be 99% honest is that the one percent talking?

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    Richard Jenkins

    How do we get the transcript of a Trump phone call on our news yesterday? Does Trump have traitors in his team or are the ‘Democrats’ still wire tapping? I agree with what Trump said in the call anyway. If he did not lockdown China and Europe maybe 200,000 would have been 2,200,000 dead!

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    D. J. Hawkins

    On agents provocateur, my uncle, who was with the FBI, was stationed in Puerto Rico in the 50′s or 60′s. The Bureau was very concerned regarding possible activities of the local Communist party so naturally had a few agents and/or informants infiltrate the local group. My uncle said that if the agents didn’t show up for a meeting, the Commies didn’t have a quorum to conduct business.

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    BruceC

    Get ready for another Rudy Giuliani document drop tomorrow our time. Giuliani on Bannon’s ‘War Room’;

    Steve Bannon: In the next 24-48 hours are you going to bring forward potential other information related to non-financial criminal activity?

    Rudy Giuliani: We’re going to do both. There will be more financial criminal activity, more proof on the subjects we already have and even bigger deals that are eye-popping. And some personal conduct that has to be brought to the attention of the public to make sure people are safe. And that has to be handled appropriately before it can be discussed.

    Steve Bannon: Do you believe that personal activity is criminal?

    Rudy Giuliani: I have no doubt it is. All you have to do is look at it and figure that is true.

    Steve Bannon: I take it people will want to watch Maria Bartiromo tomorrow?

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      Curious George

      When a new accusation emerges two weeks before elections, the timing naturally raises my eyebrows.

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        BruceC

        It’s called the ‘October Surprise’ and has been happening for years, regardless of party in power. If the dopey dems had anything on Trump, they would be doing the same thing (remember the ‘pee pee’ tapes just before the 2016 election).

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        Steve of Cornubia

        I have for decades watched with dismay as the Left deployed every dodgy, sneaky, misleading and corrupt means to win power or damage their conservative opponents, while said conservatives tried to prove themselves morally superior by sticking to the rules, or at least refusing to lower themselves into the gutter where the Left resides. The end result of that is basically where we are today.

        So, whereas I too used to want my fellow conservatives to ‘play nice’ instead of joining the lefties in their dirty tactics, I see that got us precisely nowhere. In fact, it allowed the Left to capture the public service, the legal system, the education system, the NGOs, the arts and, most importantly, the media.

        I now believe the ONLY way to stop the Left is to fight fire with fire. Play dirty. Wear knuckledusters and put a brick in your boxing glove. It is only when senior figures on the Left start to fall prey to these tactics that they might decide it isn’t worth it.

        We will of course have to endure the screeching and howls of outrage, along with the shameless claims that ‘conservatives started this’, but if we hang in there and slug it out, we might just avoid something even worse.

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          Lucky

          Now where did I read this? Republicans in California have started using these dodgy ballot harvesting techniques long used by Democrats.
          There are protests, there may be court action but knowing California, against only one perpetrator.

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    Another Ian

    Next “Gotcha”

    “BREAKING: @RudyGiuliani announces he has turned over Hunter Biden hard drive to Delaware State Police due to pictures of underage girls and inappropriate text messages

    — Jack Posobiec

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    OriginalSteve

    Speaking of the Left …. they are such honourable good losers in elections….and this is if Trump wins, imagine if they were let off the leash if Joe wins ….*shudder*

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/12/read-left-wing-radicals-post-online-guide-to-disrupting-the-country-if-election-is-close/

    “An organization of radical left-wing activists has posted an online guide to “disruption” that outlines a plan to shut down the country and force President Donald Trump from power in the event that the 2020 election is too close to call.

    “The guide, “Stopping the Coup,” available as a Google doc, is being circulated by a group called ShutDownDC. It casts its plan for disruption as a response to an imagined “coup” by the president in the case of a close election.

    “In an email promoting the guide, ShutDownDC declares: “Preventing Donald Trump from stealing the election and remaining in office is likely to take mass, sustained disruptive movements all over the country.” The guide is a manual to that “disruption.”

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      PeterS

      So now terrorism is being legitimised by the left? Not really a surprise as anyone with an intelligent mind would have seen it coming a long time ago. Bring it on! It’s time to expose the real terrorists.

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        OriginalSteve

        Will the Dems become designated as thr directors of an domestic violent insurgency?

        If so, they could become classified as domestic terrorists. Once they become that, the US military is allowed go after with full capability and no restrictions.

        The danger of course is the US becomes a 1 party state, but as they say, better an empty house than a bad tenant….

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          PeterS

          Anything can happen but let’s wait and see the election outcome first. Many things are dependent on that. I’m thinking though regardless of the election outcome, it could be the trigger for the perfect storm.

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          PeterS

          BTW, if they do end up being classified as domestic terrorists, the CIA and FBI will have to be lumped with them. That would be a real interesting fight between them and the military. The problem though is the CIA has a lot of influence on the military, so it’s not that simple.

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          PeterS

          I also see an alternative. If Trump loses the election he might just walks away from the whole mess and let the US self-destruct under socialism. Then he might come back many years later and instigate a new Constitution destroying the already fractured Republic, which by then will very likely be smashed apart with various states demanding to secede. All pure conjecture but personally that’s what I would do.

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            OriginalSteve

            Actually Ive just been listening to a US news analysis service I trust – thier analysis was that the move to shut down the USA by the ratbag Left for about a week , maybe longer, after the election, apperars to be likely. How widespread it will be I dont think anyone really knows. If the Left truly is very organized it would be wide spread.

            If you live in the USA, I’d be stocking up on food and fuel and “other neccesities” and be prepared to stay home for maybe a week.

            I think we may see the Left try an parayse the USA, especially when Trump wins, they could completely lose it….

            Maybe sign up as a legit Sherrifs Deputy, that way if you need to defend you home, youre a known law enforcement official and the national guard can assist the community better if needed.

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            Interested

            PeterS: “Then he might come back many years later …”
            Hmmm. Let’s not forget he’s 74 years old at the moment. But I admire your optimism!

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            el gordo

            Peter a Democrat win should see the US move away from being the world policeman and instead spend the money on a health system like Australia. This is a real vote catcher.

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    Fuel Filter

    May God bless all you guys!!! You get it and are not letting up!

    I tremble to think what it must be like to live so close to China these days and still go on with your lives without fear.

    I salute you all!

    And Jo, I have no words whatsoever to tell you how grateful I am for being on this like a mother bear defending it’s cubs.

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      God bless us that live so close to China. Let’s compare two latte sipping cities, Seattle and Melbourne.

      Distance to Jixi, Heilongjiang Province mainland China.

      Seattle 7260 km
      Melbourne 9620 km

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      el gordo

      The fear of our northern neighbours goes back to the gold rush in the 19th century, these days they are our biggest trading partner. This gives Beijing the opportunity to manipulate our market for political reasons, its not a good look.

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      BruceC

      Poor old Gee Aye, still hanging on to the totally discredited Russia, Russia, Russia meme.

      Oh BTW Gee Aye, news just in;

      The FBI has now confirmed the seizure of Hunter Biden’s laptops and confirmed earlier DNI statements that Hunter Biden emails were not part of a Russia disinformation campaign.

      FBI in possession of laptop containing Hunter Biden’s emails, and agree with Director of National Intelligence Ratcliffe’s assessment that emails were not part of Russian disinformation campaign.

      Also confirmed by CBS;

      The FBI & DOJ concur with DNI Ratcliffe’s assessment that Hunter Biden’s laptop and the emails in question were not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. FBI does has possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question.

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        And Giuliani’s 2019 visit to the Ukraine that the story you are trying to discredit is about?

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          BruceC

          You mean the trip Giuliani made to the Ukraine AFTER Trump’s ‘infamous’ phone call? The phone call that was totally destroyed by Trump’s release of the transcripts of that call (which he didn’t have to do btw), that was the base of the dems failed attempt to impeach Trump (that and the totally debunked Steele Dossier).

          You are aware Gee Aye that the Ukrainian Govt. has been investigating Burisma since at least 2008, or earlier!

          Also Gee Aye, emails found on Hunter’s laptop show that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, had a meeting with Sleepy Joe on or before April 17, 2015;

          Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It’s realty [sic] an honor and pleasure.

          This flies in the face of Joe Biden’s claim that he’s “never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings“.

          Honestly Gee Aye, you must stop watching the ABC.

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          glen Michel

          You really are thick as a brick GI. Stay away from the ABC is one little bit of advice.

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    Seedy

    I see that the Trump re-election campaign is still running hard & fast here on Jo Nova.
    Frankly who cares here in Australia ?
    He’s been completely incompetent at handling the huge issue of Covid disease.
    And will I suspect be dumped hard by the American people in a few weeks
    In the meantime for months I have been ignoring all the crap coming out of the USA.

    [Nice to see you again. Sorry that we can't seem to please you here but do know that Jo's blog has readers world-wide. If you've been ignoring all the crap coming out of USA maybe you've missed something important about that upcoming election?]ED

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      BruceC

      Ignore it at your own peril Seedy. This has all the makings of the biggest political scandal in U.S. political history. Watergate was nothing compared to what is happening now when you add in the relentless pursue of Trump from the Democrats over the past 4 years (all failed btw).

      It will get to a stage where even ‘our’ ABC will not be able to ignore it.

      P.S. Thumbs-up to ED’s comment.

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      Trump has not handled the Covid thing well. The medical swamp (fauci, Birx etc) successfully sabotaged his good instincts to close borders. A good leader needs to recognise when his advisers are selling ambiguous, dodgy advice (dont wear, do wear masks, keep the flights open, obey the WHO, the infection will go away “like in Italy” (Birx), and kneel before the vaccine…)

      If he loses, it will be because of Covid (and cheating and the media swamp). Without Covid it’s hard to see how the Dems would have had 1 chance in a 1000. Trump had it in the bag at the State of The Union in January. And even though Trump was not the man for the Covid pandemic, he’s the best chance the West has to stop the Swamp, the Deep STate, the growth of toxic government and the creeping, strangling corruption of our institutions. He’s the best chance the West has to stop the Climate religion doing more damage,and to face down the self-serving racists who seek to divide by tapping the base instincts of greed, hate, and jealousy.

      I keep returning to scientific data and arguments related to Covid in 2020.I don’t see how it helps the Right if they get it wrong. Reality bites. Many voters in middle America will not be impressed by the dismissal of the Covid threat. The very-right-wing may love it, but Trump needs 50%. In poll after poll around the West we know the health issue dominates other issues (I realize to the frustration of people who are happy to take risks). It’s a personality type. It isn’t going to go away.

      IMHO Trump should keep saying “Warp Speed” — a solution is coming, and talk about the cheap anti-virals and Vitamins the medical swamp don’t want to discuss. EG. He doesn’t need a mask himself, but if everyone was wearing one in the US, there would be fewer cases and less reason for a Covid election.

      If this is a Bioweapon from the Chinese — playing down the threat — rather than accurately stating the threat from China — would surely be closer to the truth and a vote winner too. It’s a major point of difference with Biden who very much might look like a threat to the US if he is “China’s man”.

      The Right have never had a better reason to “Build The Wall” but they are missing it.

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        He didn’t handle it well because sabotage. Oh well, you have a believing audience so go with that.

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          Peter C

          Always the first to leap to a conclusion professor.

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          Interested

          Good ol’ ‘Gee Aye’, our resident conformist leftist, (greenie) commentator(?).
          First of all, congratulations to you. I admit socialism is winning the global battle for hearts and minds. In fact, I believe America is the last impediment to socialism’s final global victory. [Hat tip to the U.N.]

          Of course there’s more than one version of socialism – for example, and most notably, we can cite Soviet Socialism (Russian communism) and National Socialism (German fascism). But the name is irrelevant to the reality. From a vantage point inside either the Soviet or the Nazi system, the view would be exactly the same.
          The point being, to borrow from Shakespeare, totalitarianism by any other name would smell as foul.

          It’s estimated that socialism was responsible for a total of around 100 million deaths during the 20th century, due to the efforts of luminaries like Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and Castro. Into that seething vista of bloody carnage, as if it weren’t enough, we can throw the fact that not one totalitarian socialist system in history has given its population anything but grinding poverty and abject despair.

          In contrast, capitalist democracy, for all its glaring faults, has brought the greatest improvement in health, wealth, and well-being to the greatest number of people in the history of the world. This is why millions are always queued up at their emigration centres to gain entry to capitalist democracies. And if that doesn’t work, they try to sneak in illegally.
          Very few people ever tried to sneak into communist Russia or communist China or communist Cuba or fascist Germany. (Sneak out of, YES! … sneak Into, definitely NOT!)
          Did you ever notice any of this stuff, Gee Aye?

          So why is it so many people support socialism/ communism? [Lenin said: "The goal of socialism is communism."]
          Do you think they imagine that this time it will be different?
          Do you think they imagine that the loss of all personal liberty is somehow a good thing?
          Do you think they imagine their children and grandchildren will be somehow happier and better off under total state control of every aspect of their blinkered lives?

          I’m just curious. It’s something I’ve never been able to comprehend. To me, it’s like cheerfully seeking out The Borg so you can be assimilated. Is that what it feels like? … A yearning for the security of the collective?
          It’s a fascinating question that’s puzzled me for decades.

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            StephenP

            The main people to slink into Russia were Burgess, MacLean and Kim Philby.
            All traitors, and I as far as I know were disappointed in their Socialist paradise.
            Lord Haw-Haw went to Nazi Germany, hanged aftr the war.
            And didn’t Maurice Strong end up sheltering in China?

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            StephenP

            [duplicate]

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            David Maddison

            Very well said, Interested.

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            Reed Coray

            From a “morality” point of view, socialism (which I view as being equal to a government mandated welfare state) sounds good. After all, isn’t being taken care of the concept of “Christian heaven?” The problem with socialism as I see it is that it conflicts with human nature; and therefore will never work unless and until human nature changes. By conflicts with human nature I believe (a) it is human nature to want to make your life easier, and if you can do that by having other people provide your necessities of life, that’s fine with you because it gives you more time to do the things you want to do, and (b) it is against human nature to want to work your butt off supporting those who “choose” to live off the public dole–i.e., make minimal effort to support themselves. As an aside, I believe it is a part of human nature to help those who try to but can’t help themselves. I support my claim/belief by asking you: How many of you (a) tear up your tax refund check because you don’t think it’s fair for you to have so much and so many to have so little, and (b) avoid taking legitimate tax deductions or voluntarily pay more more taxes than you owe because it’s good for the general public? I’m not claiming such behavior is in any way bad–I cash my tax refund check and I claim every legitimate deduction I can–I just acknowledge it is part of my “human nature;” and in my 76 years of observing mankind, it sure seems to be a part of my fellow beings.

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              Interested

              Reed Coray, I agree with your analysis.
              Socialism/communism (ultimately the same thing ) is a wonderful idea in theory: “From each according to their ability; to each according to their need”.
              Glorious sounding stuff!
              Actually it seems more like a Christian morality sermon than politics, doesn’t it?

              Such a shame it has a 100% failure rate, and has always brought such untold human misery along with it.
              And what’s worse is the incomprehensible fact that so many people get fooled into supporting it over and over again, which serves to demonstrate the truth of the old adage: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

              I think that if Harris becomes POTUS and the Dems’ totalitarian socialist manifesto is enacted – including the wildly destructive ‘Green New Deal’ – then America too will finally succumb to socialist assimilation and a 244-year love affair with liberty and democracy will likely come to a close.
              If so, I wonder how long it will take before the people who voted for her start to realise what they’ve done?

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                Reed Coray

                Interested,
                With one qualification, I agree, it is an “…”incomprehensible fact that so many people get fooled into supporting it over and over again.” My qualification is with the word “fooled.” I don’t believe they are “fooled” as much as they are “self-deluded.” I have two theories for why societies seem to embrace socialism. First, those who live in the shallow end of the pool want what the people in the deep end of the pool have and see socialism as a way to get what they want. Second, it is human nature to “like yourself.” You will “like yourself” more if you can convince yourself that you are superior to other people. “Performance wise” that’s not easy to do. Accomplishments are objective and can be measured. “Morality wise” it’s easy to do. Simply convince yourself you care more about your fellow man than most of society. It’s both hard to disprove and costs you nothing to say “I care, therefore I am a superior human being.” Actually doing something (like consciously paying more taxes than you owe) to help your fellow man is a different matter. I’m not saying there aren’t many people who both “care” and “do something to help”–they exist and I applaud them. I am saying that it’s not easy to “really help,” but it is easy to convince yourself “you’re helping because you care”–kind of like arguing a position because “it’s for the children.” Advocating socialism is, in my opinion, a way of proclaiming “I care;” and if “you care” more than your fellow man, doesn’t that make you superior to them?

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            That proves it thanks interested. It must have been sabotage. Pity that Trump couldn’t find a way past it.

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        Richard Ilfeld

        I don’t normally dispute your views, but I’d modify them in that I believe, on the ground, 95% of the COVID work was done at the state level, and we had vastly different state policies. They ran the gamut from “Sweden” to “New Zealand” to Singapore emulations, tough none were pure because of the ease of crossing state boundries on our millions of miles of roads. The results can be parsed by state, and differ as much as those from different countries. There were most notable failures in Democratic precincts. Som of these are due to the simple corrolary effects of high population densities and blue voters, but the nursing home scandals, economic destruction of insane lockdown levels, and magic immunity conferred on protestors but not Jewish or evangelical congregations are errors of commission. A CDC that is half professional and half political and at war with itself, and a Dr. Fauci who quickly fell in love with celebrity haven’t helped. The mechanics of our national response haven’t been too bad, and I don’t live in New York or New Jersey or in Michigan. The optics are part and parcel of Orange Man Bad in the one issue I wish even the Democrats had understood was too critical to politicize: they didn’t.

        So now there is a threat that while most of us get vaccinated, should this be possible, New Yorkers and Californians will have to wait for their own health departments to repeat the validations, because orange man bad. Unless of course Mr. Biden wins he election, in which case the dynamics of public health change 180 degrees.

        There will be consequences in the US to our folly, and the the world; some regardless of the outcome and some dependent on it. No report in any of the American media can ever again be taken at face value; and it will take us a long time to sort out a new set of truth tellers, if indeed we can find any who can gain a general voice.

        The left will discard some of the less useful and less disciplined pats of their coterie, as revolutions always do. These folks, who will have helped a win or fought the good fight in a loss, will come to the Democrat power centers with heir hands out say “I wish for my interests to be served now”. The smaller, weaker, and younger will be laughed off as always; perhaps they should have gone to class and learned who Trotsky was. Towns that have self-immolated for the cause, and neutered their police, are likely to have a morning after wake-up after their bender and ask “what have we done”; they’ll face decades to recover and ask in vain fro assistance from a federal govt gone on to glittering new priorities and backfilling old lard-assed civil servant pension plans. But some on the left have been taught that violence is the answer to disappointment; they’ll see how violence is met when it is not in service of the cause; Dems have been on both sides of the criminal justice coin. Put em in or take em out as a matter of tactics; actual justice is a joke. Thee will be hard lessons for millenials. Ahh, enough. You know all this, it has happened before in other times and places.

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        The Depraved and MOST Deplorable (and still asleep) Vlad the Impaler

        Your characterization of the ‘medical swamp’ might be more truth than poetry.

        I contacted U.S. Senator John Barrasso’s office about the indications that Fauci has a financial interest in one of the companies that is trying to develop a vaccine to the “bug”. Part of that whole discrediting of hydroxychloroquin + Zithromyacin + zinc was to prevent the less-expensive treatment for the “bug” being used in place of the more expensive (and lucrative, from Fauci’s point-of-view) vaccine.

        I asked Senator Barrasso’s office to call out Fauci; Senator Barrasso is also an orthopede, and had a successful practice in Casper, Wyoming, prior to applying (and being appointed by our Governor at that time) to fill a vacant seat (the officeholder passed away suddenly).

        Thus far, there is no indication that Fauci has been confronted at any level for his seeming underhandedness, but yes, the response to the “bug” has been less than stellar, I’m sorry to say. I do think it was generally bad advice from swamp-dwellers. Hope springs eternal that the swamp will get its comeuppance sooner, rather than later.

        Regards to all,

        Vlad

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      Seedy

      And I predict that many millions of genuine conservative ( NB the small ‘c” ) Americans, will stay firmly at home on their national election day.
      Why ?
      Because they are appalled at the disastrous leadership provided by Trump with the pandemic.
      And thus Trump’s fate will be sealed, not by a miracle, but by genuine conservative Americans…
      Although we do have to acknowledge that Trump has also antagonised so many, many other major groups in America.
      They will I predict turn out in vast numbers with Thumbs turned down for Trump.
      Such is fate !

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        Indeed, the extreme passion and fervour of the 20% most right wing may not save Trump if 2 or 3 million people in the middle flip to the Dems.

        Though it’s fair to wonder if the corruption of the Dems would shift 2 – 3 million the other way.

        The question for people worried about Covid is, would the Dems have done any better? Unfortunately for libertarians, there are only one or two time in the universe where being an organised collective works better 1. War. 2. Pandemic.

        But as I said, if Trump loses, it will have been the Covid vote…

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        DOC

        #16.3 Seedy, you could be right. Based on policy presentations from the Democrats and the sheltering of their presidential candidate totally from hard questioning or too long (greater than 1 minute off the cuff remarks), the USA will pay an extreme price for the toleration of one-sided, censorious media coverage and the incredible dependency on the malignant social media outlets for information. The ignorance of, or toleration for the most horrendous misuse of the bureaucratic power of the combined FBI, CIA, DOJ and FISA Courts in attempting to remove an elected President is unfortunately representative of a nation that feels so secure in its own skin that that security and belief in its systems, clear of judgement of the people in control of those systems, is the Achille’s Heel that is about to bring down the nation as most Americans, and the world, would know it.

        On COVID-19, Trump’s actions saved the nation from the devastation Biden would have brought by not shutting down Chinese flights into the States. Indeed, with the topic of the day being the undisputed truth of the emails from Hunter’s laptop, one has to ask one’s self just when and if Biden as President would have ever stopped those flights!!!

        Trump’s actions saved the nation by providing ventilators, post haste and faster then anyone else could have done, by mobilising non healthcare manufacturers into changing their production lines and making ventilators from scratch. Today, it was said that an antiviral didn’t work, but zinc, Vitamin D supplements and steroid aerosols are working a treat. Trump was more right than his detractors in pushing these matters.

        The real failure of the US COVID-19 response lies squarely in the hands of Democrat governors, particularly in NYC. Disastrous, insane decisions that cost the lives of many. You join the club of criticizing Trump for the disasters of his competitors. It’s insane, defies facts, but that is the poison of the US media, it’s lies and slants, and its censorship.

        You can call out Trump for trying to keep open the US economy. He can be criticised for what he says (but any of us, with the right ego can step into fields we know nothing about and be just as hamfisted in making didactic remarks). When the governors actually call the tune on COVID, it becomes a cover up to loudly declare ‘it’s all Trump’s fault’ in an effort to successfully turn critical eyes away from the one’s really responsible.

        With the rest of the West in turmoil and destroyed economies, due to China and its spreading of COVID-19, with China getting on top of the disease by its forceful suppression, with its economy and flexing of muscle against many States, Trump has no choice but to keep his economy moving.

        It’s the only hope the rest of the world has in facing off with China. This fact is totally unconsidered by most – but not by China! India realises what is going on, but the EU and Britain are too involved in their own internal and external arguments to even consider it.
        South Dakota shut down nothing and has the lowest unemployment rate in the USA (Governor on Fox today). The therapies are now working much better for ALL age groups 9Fox today). The calls to open up economies and drop the politically useful terror calls, becomes possible and essential as
        the world political power structures are changing before our eyes, and not for the better.Economies have to be saved if we are not to become destitute slaves to a rampant China. The choices are evaporating.

        This is the tragedy for everyone if Trump loses this election. Looking on at the current state of affairs, with the power structures lined up against the US people, already resembling what happens freedoms of speech, thought and action in communist States, with Venezuela the endpoint, we
        non Americans can just stand aghast at how little the citizens apparently realise just how controlled they are already, by despots with personal aims – power or cash – they appear to be about to vote to complete their submission.

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    Curious George

    Wasn’t Saul Alinsky a genius? His ideas live in the accomplishments of Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama. Didn’t they survived four years under Trump?

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      Another Ian

      The problem for the dems is that they became “Rules for Republicans” under Trump and they haven’t an antidote.

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    PeterS

    This is the reason why the Second Amendment to the US Constitution was put in place in the first place. If the US ends up being overtaken with tyrannical politicians and other leaders then sadly the people have only one option left to remove them.

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      Interested

      Spot on correct, PeterS !!!
      The founding fathers of the U.S.A. were fully aware of the potential threat of governments.
      It’s been said:”When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
      Absolutely true. Governments are just people and subject to all the foibles of humanity. The tendency in the West to place great trust in governments is extremely unwise for that reason.
      Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

      I’ve long been dismayed by the success of socialists in pushing to disarm the people in most Western countries. Even Australia’s supposedly conservative leader, John Howard, contributed significantly to the disarmament of the Australian people. It was only much later I was very surprised to learn he’s a member of the Fabian Society – the semi-covert left-wing ‘discussion group’ (so-called) which has acted as the focus of socialism/communism here in Oz since the demise of The Australian Communist Party.
      You can draw your own conclusions from that.

      The upcoming U.S. election will be followed by widespread social unrest (for ‘social unrest’, read: rioting, shooting, burning, and looting) whether Trump wins or not. And there are estimated to be some 400 million guns among the American populace.
      I don’t think the traditionalist 50% of the population that supports Trump, the U.S. Constitution, and “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness”, and who probably own the lion’s share of all those guns(!), are going to sit idly by and watch as the Marxist globalists in the Democratic Party, the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA, take over the country.
      There’s probably going to be a lot of trouble.
      In fact, it’s quite possible the United States will break up into several smaller unions – perhaps sooner than we imagine.
      And without the U.S., I’m more than a little concerned that Australia will become a province of China. After all, who would be able to stop them?

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        Lucky

        Member of Australia’s Liberal Party and previous Prime Minister John Howard -
        “a member of the Fabian Society”? Evidence please.

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          Interested

          Yes, Lucky, I sense your irritation and incredulity. And that was exactly how I felt myself.
          But the truth is, the old left-right political battle we all imagine being played out at each election isn’t at all what it seems.
          Anyway, I’ve managed to find the following site which still contains a reference to Howard:

          https://www.aussiestockforums.com/threads/the-fabian-society-flies-under-the-radar.11777/

          Many of the sites I’ve visited over the years have (perhaps unsurprisingly) expired(?) or have been quietly ‘disappeared’.
          The one linked above lists many public figures not normally associated openly with socialism, such as John Howard, Malcolm Fraser, Andrew Peacock, Rupert Murdoch, Alan Bond, and Kerry Packer, plus many of the ones we would expect, such as Whitlam, Gillard, Hawke, and Keating.
          The billionaires appearing on the list are just a snapshot of what I call ‘The Billionaires Club’ today, a sizeable group of people like George Soros, Tom Steyer, Richard Branson, and Michael Bloomberg, who have used the capitalist democratic system to attain fabulous wealth but now back socialism, the very antithesis of what allowed them to become wealthy.
          And there’s a reason for that. When you have every material thing money can buy, and more, the next attraction for you is power.

          Fabianism is often described as ‘creeping communism’ – the gradual imposition of totalitarianism by stealth instead of revolution. Much of what I’ve read over the past 20 years supports that proposition and explains why we here in Australia (and all Western countries) are gradually being shifted further and further into red/green ideological territory no matter which complexion of government is in power.
          For example, in 2007, John Howard announced the introduction of a ‘cap-and-trade’ emissions trading system, saying: “Australia will more than play its part to address climate change …”
          And today, after 8 years of a supposedly conservative government, we have a conservative Prime Minister who will not countenance the construction of coal-fired power stations but instead is talking about a hydrogen fuel industry and carbon-capture, neither of which is energetically or economically viable but suits the contrived ‘climate crisis’ meme.

          The only Aussie Prime Minister in recent times who clearly had no time for the manmade climate change deception – Tony Abbott – was hustled out of The Lodge and his landslide 60-seat parliamentary majority was quickly eroded. The usurper, Turnbull, was the most obviously left-wing Liberal/National Coalition leader ever seen – applauded even by the socialist ABC network – and a supporter of so-called ‘green’ environmental schemes like the expensive and pointless ‘Snowy River 2.0′

          The point is this: the “long march through the institutions”, which has seen socialists installed in the upper echelons of most organisations worldwide, has affected political parties too.
          You think you have a choice at an election but in reality you don’t.
          You can have your socialism served up quick and hot by voting for the party of the Left, or gradual and lukewarm by voting for the party of ‘the Right’. But either way, you get socialism.

          The way to grade the speed and degree of socialism a political party will impose on you is to look at their climate policy. The more they talk of ‘carbon pollution’, ‘renewables’, and ‘sustainability’, the faster and more profoundly your life will deteriorate if you vote for them.

          The climate deception is the second most effective tool ever devised by closet totalitarians to induce fear and to change behaviour patterns. But the most effective tool of all has been COVID-19, whether its release was deliberate or not.
          Unfounded climate fear has induced some 50% of Western voters to surrender a proportion of their prosperity and freedom to ‘the authorities’.
          A virus with only a 0.02% fatality rate – mostly among people over 80 with serious pre-existing health issues anyway – has induced an even larger percentage of Western voters to surrender even more of their prosperity and freedoms to ‘the authorities’.
          Fear is the key in both cases.
          And it’s working well.

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            Interested – thanks for that response.
            I agree in general terms with all your comments. I could discuss and add.
            I read the page of the link carefully. It looks to me that the term Fabian is used as an insult, and as Howard had a few ‘bad’ public opinions (he was a centralist) and brought in a few bad policies (carbon) therefore he must be bad, ie, Fabian.
            I find no evidence there of John Howard being a formal Fabian Society member, or of being in alignment with Fabian premises.
            John Howard was/is a conservative, there are good and bad connotations of that.

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      el gordo

      The Second Amendment was put in place because the forefathers thought the British would return with a large force and take back their colony. Not to carry a gun was treasonable, self defence is in the bible.

      ‘ … tyrannical politicians and other leaders…’

      The US is a police state, there won’t be a general uprising like we see in the Third World

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        PeterS

        No, the main reason the Second Amendment was passed was because the Anti-Federalists sided with the Federalists, and both had concerns that the standing army could turn against the people. To be free and secure the two camps wanted the society to defend itself and remain free in case the standing army and its generals took matters into their hands, or under the President’s hands.

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          el gordo

          Yes, it seems so.

          ‘While both James Monroe and John Adams supported the Constitution being ratified, its most influential framer was James Madison. In Federalist No. 46, Madison wrote how a federal army could be kept in check by state militias, “a standing army … would be opposed [by] a militia.” He argued that state militias “would be able to repel the danger” of a federal army, “It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops.” He contrasted the federal government of the United States to the European kingdoms, which he described as “afraid to trust the people with arms”, and assured that “the existence of subordinate governments … forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition” wiki

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    Alice Thermopolis

    OUR ABC: ANOTHER DOG THAT DIDN’T BARK

    Listening to ABC RN The World Today yesterday. Had a chuckle when its US correspondent gave his five minutes of anti-Trump news.

    Astonishing. Not a word on John Ratcliffe’s comments: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ratcliffe-hunter-biden-laptop-emails-not-russian-disinformation-campaign

    “Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe on Monday said that Hunter Biden’s laptop “is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign,” amid claims from House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff suggesting otherwise.”

    Mr Ratcliffe: It’s funny that some of the people who complain the most about intelligence being politicized are the ones politicizing the intelligence,” Ratcliffe said. “Unfortunately, it is Adam Schiff who said the intelligence community believes the Hunter Biden laptop and emails on it are part of a Russian disinformation campaign.”

    He added: “Let me be clear: the intelligence community doesn’t believe that because there is no intelligence that supports that. And we have shared no intelligence with Adam Schiff, or any member of Congress.”

    Ratcliffe went on to say that his role as director of National Intelligence, which he assumed earlier this year, is “to not allow people to leverage the intelligence community for a political narrative that’s not true.”

    “In this case, Adam Schiff saying this is part of a disinformation campaign and that the intelligence community has assessed and believes that — that is simply not true,” he said. “Whether its Republicans or Democrats, if they try to leverage the intelligence community for political gain, I won’t allow it.”

    Well, we now know (i) there is a laptop; (ii) the FBI has it; and (ii) there is a whistle-blower: a computer-repair chap in Wilmington, Delaware, one John Paul Mac Isaac, owner of “The Mac Shop”; etc.

    FBI referred questions about the hard drive and laptop to the Delaware U.S. Attorney’s Office, where a spokesperson told the outlet that the office “can neither confirm nor deny the existence of an investigation.”

    “So far, the FBI and Delaware’s U.S. Attorney’s office have declined to publicly comment on the situation.”

    What political party, BTW, won Delaware in the 2016 election?

    Senator Tom Cotton: “For all those Sherlock Holmes fans out there, they can hear the dog that didn’t bark.”

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    Small Footprint

    Of course, it is good that the current president is squeaky clean – oh wait

    “Trump’s daughter works at the White House. Her husband works at the White House. Rudy’s son works at the White House. Barr’s son-in-law works at the White House. Barr’s daughter works at Treasury. Trump’s sons do foreign business. Trump’s daughter is getting Chinese patents and Saudi grants.”

    but Biden…

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    DOC

    Amanda Devine appears to have had her ‘Road to Damascus’ moment. Miranda is the same person that labelled coalition supporters ‘Delcons’ for not backing the Turnbull led ‘progressives’
    at the second last election! Today, she appears on Fox News as a commentator that supports the Trump led Republicans, of all things conservative, whilest most of the more ‘woke’ progressive Republicans and ex Republicans snipe at Trump from the sidelines.

    What a pity that it takes an actual display of woke progressives leading the Democracies into the arms of the extreme socialism before inner-city conservatives see just where their uncritical opinions are taking the democracies.

    Is there hope they will wake up that, by abandoning true science, all the learning of the last couple of centuries becomes as nothing? Woke science is the science of political manipulators, those that find the rigidities of first establishing a logical basis for scientific ‘fact’ inconvenient and destructive to their hunt for power and the enforcement of ideologically based beliefs.

    ‘Progressives’ defy convictions of their own decency. They actually tolerate the riots, the destruction, the slayings of innocents that believe they still live in a democracy, the compulsion of their governments to enforce ideological extremism and their cementing of power over the citizenry. This all leads, by intent, in one direction only – the death of rational individual reasoning, which becomes heresy, the loss of freedoms of action and thought under law, and central control of all aspects of human belief, activity and existence.

    Miranda seems to be one of the few that sees the light of the future to which they led us and jumped ship. It’s a pity most people are so overwhelmed by the task of eking out a living that they have little energy left to ponder these somewhat esoteric but vital matters.

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    Ando

    Miranda Devine a wonderful Australian? Hows her silver fox going?

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    Geoff from Tanjil

    With all the talk about what the FBI knows and does, I am thinking about what the CIA knows but is not circulated/released.

    The CIA mostly operates outside the United States to gather intelligence via a network of spies whereas the FBI predominantly operates within the U.S. to gather intelligence as well as tackle federal crimes.

    Simply put FBI relates to internal threats and CIA external threats.

    Therefore the CIA should have a significant insight into what politicians and others are doing outside of the USA.

    My spidy sense tells me that the CIA knows a lot more but are not asked and sharing intelligence across agencies is selective.

    In Australia ASIO is the internal threat agency and ASIS (we don’t hear much about them) is the external threat agency.

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    BruceC

    Look at Biden’s presidential logo …

    https://www.prophetiksoul.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/biden-logos-1-1024×384.jpg

    … then look up ‘Three Red Banners’ on wiki

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Red_Banners

    (que Twilight Zone theme)

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    ChristianS

    Nice movie about smears just out:
    https://youtu.be/Qqi5Cv4OFJg

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    Albert

    The extremes that the corrupt Democrats are up to point to one thing; they’re afraid of going to jail if Trump is re-elected and the rule of law is rectified, the FBI righted and justice is applied thoroughly across the political platform.

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    Alice Thermopolis

    MORE STINKING MSM RED HERRINGS

    The New York Times revealed this shocking news yesterday: President Trump “has a bank account in China for business purposes, which nobody actually knows about…” to quote Patricia Karvelas on ABC RN Drive tonight (from 56 min here: https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/drive/rn-drive-21.10.2020/12799412

    Ms Karvelas invited Dr David Smith from US Study Centre at the University of Sydney to tell shocked (yawn) listeners why this is SO important. He posted on Trump in The Conversation today.

    To my knowledge, no serious attempt made – by either the NYT, ABC, BBC or Dr Smith – to discuss the Hunter Biden laptop and its contents.

    Move along. Nothing to see here. Amazing.

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    CHRIS

    New York Times = ‘Our’ABC = 1984. “Truth and Reconciliation” and “Democrats” = Contradiction in terms. The USA Democratic Donkeys wouldn’t know what truth is if they fell over it

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    William Capron

    So, Joanne, how is it you can make me so angry with U.S. Democrats from so far away? Well, Keep it up.

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    Rolf

    Either I am stupid or ?

    I can’t understand how any person can sell their freedom and vote for any left candidate or party. They always promise to take from the’ rich’ and give to everyone. How come they don’t understand it’s never going to be either enough or make it better. It will only get worse for all. Power will be grabbed and democracy disappear. Devastating for all, not the rich though. They will be far away in time to save their property ! Lefties only want the gram of power. Look at Maduro, the only person benefiting from the situation in Venezuela. Is it really true people still vote for him ?

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    justjoshin

    “What flavour is it?”

    Biden getting the soft-serve questions from the peanut gallery.

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