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In Australia Climate obedience must be 100%

Stating the bleeding obvious about climate science earns headlines

Tony Abbott merely states what no real scientist could argue with. Things are not quite as settled in climate science as people say. For this tiny deviation from the permitted line he is isolated and depicted in a headline as “questioning science” when he’s really just questioning propaganda lines.

The editors of both AAP and The Australian could have chosen a different headline: Abbott declares “we only have one planet”. But in headline-world, which is often the only line people will read, Abbott is made out to be saying something risky. Imagine, I am Spartacus, if every single conservative politician said “of course — Climate science isn’t perfect.” But almost none of them have the balls.

Abbott questions climate change science

AUSTRALIAN ASSOCIATED PRESS, The Australian

Tony Abbott has questioned the “so-called settled” science about climate change, a month after dropping his view that Australia should pull out of the Paris climate agreement.
skeptical scientists

The former prime minister insisted he was a realist when asked about his position on climate change during his election campaign launch in Manly on Friday.

“The so-called settled science is not quite as settled as people say, and that’s my position,” he told reporters.

“Nevertheless we have only got one planet; we should do what we reasonably can to rest lightly upon it.”

Despite this questioning, Mr Abbott said he does believe climate change happens and that mankind makes a contribution.

“We should do what we reasonably can to reduce emissions,” he said.

“What we shouldn’t do though, is turn our economy upside down in what turns out to be a futile green gesture.”

It’s hard to believe with statements so banal and ordinary are worth a mention, let alone a headline. But such is the paralyzing grip of fashion and religion in Australia.

The climate science tally of failure:

The IPCC’s top scientists can’t predict the climate on a local, regional, or continental scale, 98% of Climate Models cannot explain why global warming slowed for years, models get the core assumptions wrong – the hot spot is still missing, (that’s the only fingerprint they said mattered, right up until they couldn’t find it). They can’t explain the pause, the cause or the long term historic climate movements either. Measurements of satellites, cloud cover changes, 3,000 ocean buoys6,000 boreholes, a thousand tide gauges, and 28 million weather balloons looking at temperature or humidity can’t find the warming that the models predict. In the oceans, the warming isn’t statistically significantsea-levels started rising too early, aren’t rising fast enough, aren’t accelerating, nor are warming anywhere near as much as they predicted. Antarctica was supposed to be warming faster than almost anywhere but they were totally wrong. The vast Southern Ocean is cooling not warming. The only part of Antarctica that’s warming sits on top of a volcano chain they prefer not to tell you about.

Some scientists are behaving badly: hiding data, declines, history, adjustments and methodsThousands of other scientists are protesting all over the internet. Tony Abbott is merely saying what most engineers and geologists, and half of the worlds meteorologists, and climate scientists would say.

 

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129 comments to In Australia Climate obedience must be 100%

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    Peter C

    Climate Scientists pushing their Warming Barrow.

    I have been protesting against a Climate Scientist who has been publishing a series of alarmist Articles in My Local newspaper.

    I think that the paper has been publishing a “story”. to illustrate the Warmist Alarm about rising CO2 levels.

    I have had no success so, far.

    http://leader.smedia.com.au/heidelberg/

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      robert rosicka

      She is a piece of work alright and like most never let the facts get in the way of my feeding trough .

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      Serp

      So Dr Ailie Gallant doesn’t have any temperature data for Heidelberg prior to 1980, is that it? Whatever it is certainly makes a travesty of the acknowledgement that data is missing for 1987-1989 and 2004.

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      Peter C

      The Article did not link well.

      I wanted people to read it in the original.

      Open the link, which opens on the first page, then scroll with the mouse wheel or use the arrow on the right to page three. Then click on “Highest temps for OZ” on top right to read the article full page.

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      Reed Coray

      As proof of (manmade?) global warming, the alarmists appear to have a well thought out methodology. (a) Go to a region on the earth where it’s hot, (b) find a location somewhere in the hot region where the temperature is near or above any recorded temperature for the general area, and (c) use the temperature at that location to tout the “hottest second/minute/hour/day/week/month (you get the idea) EVAH” as proof that manmade global warming is happening. What surprises me is that the alarmists haven’t used a similar technique to prove that man is causing sea levels to rise. Specifically, (a) wait for a windy day on the ocean, (b) over the windy region of the ocean, pick thousands of locations, (c) at each location monitor the wave height above mean sea level as a function of time, (d) search that wave-height-above-mean-seal-level data for the largest value, and (d) based on the largest value declare proof of (manmade?) sea level rise.

      If readers of this blog want to berate me for giving the alarmists an heretofore “unthought of way” of proving sea level rise, have at it. I gave the issue of providing the alarmists with more ammunition some thought; but I concluded that not even the Kool-Aid drinking subset of alarmists would actually take my idea seriously. I hope I’m right.

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        OriginalSteve

        Cleansing of “scientifically impure thoughts” sort of has echoes of the Mental Hygiene movement, which is appears to be a branch of eugenics.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4579550/

        “Abstract

        “The National Association for Mental Health adopted the ‘brand name’ MIND as part of its transformation into a campaigning pressure group at the turn of the 1970s. This article examines the historical antecedents to key statements made by the organisation at this time regarding the relationship of mental health with, what was then called, ‘mental handicap’.

        “The National Association for Mental Health is placed within the historical context of the movement for mental hygiene. The article traces how the movement theorised mental health as critically related to intellect and emotionality.

        “The movement relegated people deemed ‘mentally deficient’ from therapeutic policies based on family relationships believed to promote mental health. However, a late 1950’s experiment known as the Brooklands Study subverted this discrimination. This was paradoxical since it built on mental hygienist theorising.

        “Theorisations of the relationship between intellect, emotion and mental health are still potentially discriminatory.

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        Graham Richards

        Reed, you’re wrong on sea levels! Sea levels in the Pacific rise in direct proportion to the amount of Australian tax payers funds on offer!!

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      John in Oz

      She has not caught up with the latest ACORN 2 data either. Perhaps she will blow a gasket and go all-out CAGW-manic when she sees that Oodnadatta now has a record temp of 51.1C – https://kenskingdom.wordpress.com/2019/03/

      You might ask her to explain the ACORN 1 vs ACORN 2 variations that Ken has analysed but, as with all of these drama queens, don’t expect a rational response.

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      Roy Hogue

      I don’t want you to feel alone. A week or so ago my county supervisor sent out her regular email that includes a list of acomplishments. Now keep in mind that she is someone I would vote for again if term limits didn’t prevent her from running. Anyway, she was proud of the elimination of pollution in the form of internal combustion engine exhaust. She mentioned climate change. So I sent her email saying nothing wrong with eliminating pollution but I called to her attention that CO2 isn’t pollution and I added the usual arguments you’ll find Jo presenting right here.

      I was civil about it and said these are things to think about, the failed predictions and some others to make my case. I haven’t heard a word back from her since. I expect my name is mud with her right now because I challenged what the couny’s experts say about climate change. And that’s the problem. She isn’t science literate to any great extent and the experts are — guess who gets believed.

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    Kinky Keith

    The previous post on the money processing done in the name of The Environment was brilliant.

    The importance implementation of due legal process in the USA over the BioChar thing is a start but the punishment didn’t seem adequate.

    Perhaps Australia can look to having politicians who override or blatantly ignore the words of Electrical Engineers and go ahead demolishing generators and endorsing the endless transfer of our tax resources to intermittent renewables “startups”, clearly identified in court as wrongdoers.

    They should then be asked to justify the behaviour that contradicts science, engineering and economics.

    Restoration of the billions misdirected is essential to perception of law and order in Australia.

    There’s nothing like a couple 20 year sentences to discourage others who might seek to derail our nation and economy.

    KK

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    wal1957

    My hope is that the panel that Trump has charged with sorting out this gerbil warming thingy will expose a lot of the lies and false assumptions that have been made.
    The world is spending $$$billions of dollars based on computer modelling. How the hell can you use computer modelling when the weather is in constant flux?

    Abbott is right when he says that… “the so-called settled science is not quite as settled as people say”. Wouldn’t it be nice for some other politicians to stand with Abbott!
    If politicians would speak their mind more freely we could have open and honest discussions about this subject and many others. The problem is that once you voice any doubt you are labelled a heretic. On other taboo subjects you are labelled with an…..ism problem.

    The world is being run by twitter and the MSM at the moment. Heaven help us.

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      David Wojick

      Unfortunately, Trump has yet to authorize this skeptical panel (the Happer committee). Let’s hope hard he does it.

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        David Maddison

        Why hasn’t he yet authorised it? He doesn’t normally waste time.

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          Peter C

          Trump may not normaly waste time,

          He does on occasions let issues run on and on. The Wall is one example. Leaving Jeff Sessions as AG was another. Also the Mueller enquiry.

          May be it is because of pushback from his own white house staff. Maybe he sees advantage in letting the problems fester so that public anger has time to grow.

          Renewable energy is not a crisis issue in the USA just yet, the way it is here in SE Australia. The EPA has largely been reigned in so he may have other priorities.

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            Roy Hogue

            I think Trump understands the realities of politics, you can’t win every fight. So pick fights you can win and then keep the opposition off balance with his unique brand of brash derision and put-down.

            The man has built a business empire equaled by no one and he knows when to wait and when to go ahead. And he’s been more than a ittle preoccupied with Mueller’s witch hunt.

            And I don’t known what he’s doing but that’s what his time in office so far tells me he’s likely to be doing.

            The Democrats and the media are frantic for some new ammunition. AND 8 criminal indictments have been given to Attorney General Barr – from a Democrat House of Representatives cotrolled by Democrats. When the truth begins to expose your backside it’s time to either run or dig a deeper hole and crawl in. Either way you’re eventually in trouble.

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      John in Oz

      It’s not only Abbot who says the science isn’t settled but the green-tards never mention any of their own who also make mention of the doubts:

      Stephen Schneider

      So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have.

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      Allen Ford

      Anyone who uses the therm, “settled science” is no scientist nor qualified to voice any opinion on scientific matters. History is littered with failed concepts that failed the scientific “pub test”, and AGW is just the latest candidate.!

      Abbot is 100% right in calling their bluff, but will be vilified for saying it.

      It’s more than time for the realists to come out of the woodwork!

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    jack

    :
    There seems a definite push to eliminate anyone to the right of Karl Marx from Australian politics.

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      philthegeek

      All good. The ones to the right of Genghis are working hard to eliminate themselves. :)

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        el gordo

        Not quite so fast, a Coalition victory has shortened to 4.50.

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        jack

        :
        All good!!!
        philthegeek, you couldn’t possibly agree with statements like,
        “for development requires willingness on the part of the
        individual to sacrifice himself for the community”
        :
        Stuff like that comes from a sick mind.

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          AndyG55

          ““for development requires willingness on the part of the
          individual to sacrifice himself for the community””

          And certainly its something phloop would NEVER actually do himself.

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          jack

          And i got no response AndyG55.
          :
          ‘TheGeek’ must know deep down that his ideas are a load of rubbish. :-)

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            philthegeek

            I dont usually respond to incoherent irrelevancies…..unless its from AngryG…and that just because he’s fun to trigger. :)

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              AndyG55

              “I dont usually respond to incoherent irrelevancies”

              NO, you respond WITH incoherent irrelevancies

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              jack

              You have just demonstrated what you are, good bye.

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              AndyG55

              And I like you to respond. You EXPOSE yourself for what you are. :-)

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                jack

                AndyG55
                Ignoring the hierarchical system of replies in a posting,
                I will assume from context, your comment #4.1.2.2.3 was directed at me.
                So in response, as requested.
                All my comments in this section where directed at “philthegeek”.
                I wanted to establish if he have anything deeper than a naive political view.
                I was offering a chance to state his Metaphysics, Epistemology and/or Moral position.
                Or not being capable of debate, was he just a mindless little troll.
                “You have just demonstrated what you are, good bye.” was a reply to his childish name calling comment #4.1.2.2.1
                If your comment wasn’t directed at me, disregard this comment.

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          jack

          Still no response.
          Collectivists are cowards, without the guts to explicitly admit that they are willing to sacrifice the individual to “their common good”.
          With no substance in their ideas, they hide behind red thumbs, non sequiturs, and ‘their gang’.
          Their cowardice to admit what they really believe is a good reason to just ignore anything they have to say.

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    Not just in Oz. Regarding ‘open’ society, not the Karl Popper version but the Mark 2 George Soros version, some be more free to speak out than others. Roger Scruton fired for in-acceptable speech.
    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/apr/10/roger-scruton-calls-for-dismissal-islamophobiad-soros-remarks

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    robert rosicka

    Let’s not forget the lie about 97% of scientists either .

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      robert rosicka

      Wot ? Only two red thumbs .
      Perhaps the red thumbs can explain how Cook managed to get the 97% of scientists that agreed man made CO2 was causing a problem .

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    Richard111

    Still not had valid explanation on how carbon dioxide,CO2,a “greenhouse gas”, heats surface of the world.

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      Serp

      No shortage of invalid explanations based on hand waving though…

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      Kinky Keith

      It’s due to “back radiation”.

      KK

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      Confused Od Misfit

      You won’t get an answer to that because the CO2 in the atmosphere doesn’t heat the surface of the world.
      It only slows down the cooling by an infinitesimal amount.
      Clouds (H2O vapor) do the rest of the hard work.

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      John in Oz

      The thermometers are not measuring the temp of the surface from where the SWIR is emitted but the air temperature (but don’t look behind the curtain to see the BBQs, tarmac, concrete, buildings, air cons, etc that also affect the readings)

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      No valid explanation how CO2, essential for all life, heats the surface of the world. To repeat myself…

      #Trees, bamboo, wheat fields, pond scum, just suck it up, strip the air above of CO2 in a matter of days. See E.M. Smith, ‘Get Wood.’ If CO2 gets below 220pm, plants die. Famine and domino effect on homo-sapien ensues.

      #Political Cli-Sci: carbon atom the means to a new world order of energy control. IPCC policy, UNEP directed, ‘We’re on a Mission from Guv. IPCC official, Ottmar Edenhoffer: ‘The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually and economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.’ (14/11/11.)

      #The cli-sci models don’t correlate with observations. Oh mann!!

      #The science: Troposphere Hot Signature is missing in action. See Dr David Evans, ‘The Missing Hotspot.’

      #Warming feedback can’t be demonstrated… Effects of clouds? They don’t know clouds at all.

      #Bureau of Meteorology: adjusting the temp record to salvage the AGW theory. Darwin, oops!

      #CO2 relative to other gasses: just a teeny-teeny part of atmosphere, nitrogen 78%, oxygen 21%, CO2 0.038%.

      #Likely has a slightly cooling effect: See Link, pp 5/6 below…only a small %increase in N2 and O2 is needed to raise the temperature of the earth’s atmosphere by about 3k, almost double the amount of Argon is needed to achieve a similar rise in temperature but more than 26 times current levels of CO2 are required to generate a similar rise in temperature.

      ref, http://www.calqlata.com/Maths/Formulas_Atmosphere.html

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        So Mr Red-thumb, or Ms, yu think #Plants DON’T suck up CO2? #IPCC WASN’T directed as per it’s mission statement? #The signature Troposphere Hot Spot has been FOUND? #Warming feedback IS SHOWN by demonstration.?# BOM HASN’T adjusted the temperature history? #CO2 IS NOT less than 1% of atmospheric gases? #You DISAGREE with calqlata maths by reason of …?

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    Bill in Oz

    Ummmmm . ? This is an interesting post Jo.

    I hope that folks commenting here can offer some light on why the edotors of the Australian & AAP has adopted this un-scientfic, emotional position.

    My own view is that we have a BIG LIE phenomenon happening in the Australian media.

    The Nazis & the Communists were excellent practicioners of the BIG LIE. And I suggest that the current propagandists spruiking this new BIG LIE, have taken lessons from both of these dictatorial bands of thugs.

    And the attacks on Tony Abbot are examples of the same dictatorial thuggery.

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      Serp

      If only media proprietors would post here we’d have a chance of some of that light. Imagine Rupert telling us straight from the horse’s mouth that the fix is in and that there will be no rest for his executive staff until the last Australian coal mine is shuttered and the last Australian coal fired power station is dynamited. Would that do?

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      It’s not a new move Bill. This is just “wallpaper” type of reporting. It’s been going on for years here. I usually don’t make much of it because there are more obvious clangers. But it’s time we started to expose the relentless crafting of “the group permitted line”.

      It probably never occurred to the editors of The Aus that this was the banal obvious line that only differed by 1% from an IPCC acolyte.

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    AndyG55

    “Mr Abbott said he does believe climate change happens and that mankind makes a contribution.”

    UHI that feeds through into the calculated surface data, despite the fact that urban areas are only I small amount of the land surface.
    Urban data is smeared over huge areas where it just isn’t valid to do so.

    Plus LOTS of data fabrication and mal-adjustment.

    That’s about the only PROVABLE contribution of mankind to so-called “climate change”.

    Certainly there is NO EVIDENCE that human CO2 emissions have contributed anything towards changing the climate.

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      Bill in Oz

      But Andy,
      1 : you are willing to research the facts and assess their validity for yourself.

      2: You don’t give a sh*t for approval by the mob.

      I suspect that others here are of a similar character. But we may be a small minority of the maddening crowd.

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        Sceptical Sam

        Bill, I’m more optimistic than that.

        More than half the people I talk to over a week tend to the view that the media are pushing an untruth on climate change/global warming; that so-called scientists – especially those at universities – are holding the party line because their jobs and comfortable life-styles depend on not rocking the boat.

        Trust the people. They know that if it’s brown, smells and sticks to your boots its probably crap.

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        philthegeek

        But we may be a small minority of the maddening crowd.

        Absolutely Bill. Angry and yourself are special people.

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          AndyG55

          You are one of those left-wing phools that just “believes”, A gullible brain-washed twerp, with a mind barely out of nappies.

          You cannot put forward one bit if real measured empirical science showing warming by increased atmospheric CO2.

          You are INCAPABLE on providing any real science to support your toady little religion

          You are an EMPTY little sad-sack, phloop, trolling yourself into insignificance.

          BRING SOME EVIDENCE to prove that you really have some actual substance rather than your usual dumb idiotic blathering.

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          yarpos

          Special enough that you feel the need to defend/deflect/comment with meaningless one liners, rather than ignore and move on.

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          Mark D.

          No Phil! NOT a small minority and that is what really bothers you isn’t it?

          Really really bothers you.

          at about 2am when you wake up in a cold sweat

          right Phil?

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            philthegeek

            at about 2am when you wake up in a cold sweat

            Well, actually no. But if you want to believe it go ahead. :)

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              AndyG55

              2:15am then, and then after changing your sheets, again at 3:15am, and 4:15

              Its not sweating is it.

              So much bed-wetting.. poor phloop.

              “BRING SOME EVIDENCE to prove that you really have some actual substance rather than your usual dumb idiotic blathering.”

              It is noted that all you were capable of in response, was a childish EMPTY droning sound.

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          el gordo

          Phil

          Tony Abbott has joined the lukewarm faction for reasons of political expediency. This is prudent because half the electorate is brainwashed into thinking carbon dioxide (a tiny trace gas) is causing catastrophic global warming.

          Its practically impossible to change people’s mindset on this issue before the election, so I imagine Morrison has told his troops to become small targets by avoiding any conversation on climate change. Apart from the usual reassuring stuff like we’ll meet our Paris Agreement in a canter.

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            philthegeek

            eg, Abbott hasn’t joined anything. Just his usual bullshit telling the last people he’s speaking to what he thinks they want to hear.

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              AndyG55

              Yes, he is a good politician, isn’t he.

              No wonder the hard-left FEAR him so much.

              You want a load of utter BS.. Try reading Greens policies. !!

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    Bill in Oz

    Just through Coin-cidence ‘What’s Up With That’ have a post which explains this phenomenon.

    The human trait for ‘hypersociability’

    We are programmed to accept stuff as GOSPEL ( Which actually is an excellent example in it’s own right )

    We are programmed to believe !

    We are NOT programmed to think for ourselves.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/12/why-we-may-never-be-able-to-change-minds-on-the-climate-issue/

    The BIG LIE depends for it’s capacity to work on this character trait which most humans do all the time.

    And I suggest a corollary to this : Most new discoveries and insights are made by individuals who are ‘asocial’ “social isolates” simply because for these individual the approval of the herd doesn’t matter.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      G’day Bill,
      Edward de Bono expressed the same idea, I think it was in a talk to his book on his six thinking hats. But that was back in the 1980s I think.
      Cheers,
      Dave B

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    Richard Ilfeld

    It is time to dust off your moldy edition of Eric Hoffer’s “True Believer”…the one buried in a box with the other college textbooks you couldn’t resell. We are dealing with a cult.

    We are daing with a cult that has been adapted for social leverage by progressives, whose unwavering vision is to take control of society and level everything in favor of an enlightened dictatorship by them.

    Most such have been nationalism enhanced by ‘border science’; a xenophobia and myth of racial superiority. These are not rare, but most have been small, kooky, and perhaps most importantly, not enabled by the age of social media.

    Of you are over 60, you remember when the kooks were limited to mimeo machines in the garage, megaphones on the commons, and the odd interview on public access radio.

    Those that gained traction usually scored one wealthy, and obviously ‘touched’ benefactor, and could gain a bully pulpit radio or TV voice.

    We sometimes write these movements off as ‘hero worship’. A Bolivarian Revolution is described as a freedom movement, or a peoples revolution. But a cult commandeered for leverage by the left always works out the same.

    The real true believers will endure a lot without changing their minds; opposition is seen as persecution which makes them stronger.
    The ones that die are terminated by either force or ridicule. Some members are reprogrammed and repatriated.

    I wonder if OZ will resolve it’s conflict with the lights on…or off. A blackout and failed restart might finally expose the folly.
    At great expense. But the greens seem hell bent on getting there. And the energy of a cult, based on the absolute focus and 100% effort of the true believers, is hard to resist. At some point before the crisis, ordinary folks simply throw up their hands, “you can’t reason with these people!!”, and go back to their lives. Which are shortly disrupted in usually awful ways.

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      Mark D.

      Spot on Richard. I’m not quite over 60 but it is uncomfortably close….

      The trouble for us average non “progressives” is that their game is long term. Those of us that carry on working for a legitimate wage don’t have time to notice that little by precious little they have stolen what is dear. We must start to notice.

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    Bill in Oz

    Off Topic but good !

    I do wish I could post this cartoon directly !

    It’s a beauty !

    And as South Australian where we are over burdened with windy towers, I’m nominating our ex Premier Jay Watherall to be the dodo who cranks the handle !

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/12/friday-funny-for-when-wind-doesnt-blow/

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    graham dunton

    Obedience = absolution,but does not = science

    “We should do what we reasonably can to reduce emissions

    Emissions of what Tony, certainly not CO2, so what emissions are we being taxed for?

    “What we shouldn’t do though, is turn our economy upside
    down in what turns out to be a futile green gesture.”

    I agree,so why are we remaining in the Paris accord.

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    Ruairi

    Galileo was coerced to deny,
    The motions of worlds in the sky,
    To force his compliance,
    With that time’s settled science,
    Under death threat he dared not defy.

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    Travis T. Jones

    I voted for Abbott back then.

    It was Abbott’s reneging which caused me to seek alternatives via preferences. (Jonova was excellent source for preferencing your vote to count)

    Abbott still ‘believes’ in a carbon-constrained economy, so his flip-flop call to stay in the UN Paris agreement is unsurprising:

    Nov 16, 2016, the Bolt Report
    TA, 6.51: “The Abbott govt was prepared to commit to a 26-28% reduction in emissions.”
    AB: “Weren’t you wrong.”
    TA: “And, I did that Andrew, because I am convinced that we can do that in ways that don’t damage our economy.”
    https://www.whooshkaa.com/episode/?id=89817

    “Tony Abbott is merely saying what most engineers and geologists, and half of the worlds meteorologists, and climate scientists would say.”

    Perhaps he is.

    But, he has no balls when it comes to the important call on failed doomsday global warming.

    This is not about science, or the flimsy layer of it that “won’t damage the economy’.

    Abbott knows that like the rest of us.

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    TdeF

    It shows the growth of the scam when Tony Abbott no longer says Climate Change is crap. It is. However to keep his seat he has to modify that to say that it is not settled science. It shows how the education of Australians has progressed.

    As for engineers and geologists, meteorologists and climate scientists, you could add physicists. It is child’s play to prove that the CO2 increase is not man made. What other argument for man made Global Warming is there? And what is Climate Change if not Global Warming? It is all crap posing as science, mad up stuff by innumerate science ignorant opportunists like Al Gore and Tim Flannery.

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      Yonniestone

      This also shows how taking a compromising position to either appeal to the undecided, stall for time or improve ones image can backfire in the long game.

      Where seldom the brash will call out the wrongdoers and fight them openly with the flaws of their claims the political survivor will always have an escape plan for saving face along with public and political image, I consider the climate change lukewarmer approach to be this and not in a negative view but one that appreciates that good plans and intentions can fail when the opponents are severely underestimated.

      While personally some of the most admired people have scientifically trailed this approach the opposition will never see it that way, the complete lack of scientific appreciation, facts or outcomes will always be way down in priority to the political objective, the time to be brash about taking on the nations usurpers is now and if they need an ally or advice President Trump would oblige.

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        Tdef

        I have great hopes for Dr. Happer. He is too old to play politics. Everyone knows that. He cannot be intimidated, fired, threatened by anyone. There is no truth to man made Global warming. There never was.

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          Yonniestone

          Dr. Happer is a great communicator, my hope is he can explain to the masses the difference between the transference and trapping of heat.

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      scaper...

      Abbott never said climate change or whatever is crap. He said that the science is settled on climate change, is crap. Don’t believe the MSM BS.

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      Dennis

      The GetUp back candidate standing against Tony Abbott is campaigning by referring to him as out of touch with climate change issues. To add to that smear he is out of touch with people because he opposed same sex marriage.

      The NSW State Election result for Manly that is part of Abbott’s electorate resulted in a comfortable win for the Liberal candidate and sitting MLA however the Greens candidate ran second ahead of Labor which indicates the younger population on the northern beaches I assume. So Abbott MP must tread carefully.

      On the other hand at the Sky debate at the Freshwater Hotel where about 100 people applied to be in the audience when the Greens candidate, apparently an attractive younger woman who is articulate, when she gave her final address and started with climate change there was a very loud boo response. The same response from the audience at the start when told that the GetUp Gal was a no show.

      I understand that her minders were concerned that she would not perform well enough after the first debate where she was out of her depth. But not a good look, a candidate (apologies to cooks) who can’t stand the heat should not be in the kitchen.

      Also Tony Abbott has been the member for many years, and a former cabinet minister, opposition leader and prime minister until deposed after two years. Shame Liberals shame.

      But he is by all accounts an excellent local member, works hard in his electorate, does volunteer community work such as bushfire fighting, surf lifesaving, charity event participant, he and his wife patrons of the Many Womens Refuge and much more. And GetUp have in recent times lost their stealth fighter cloak of secrecy and have been publicly exposed many times via the media. Voters now know that GetUp’s Gal is backed by Union Labor (former ALP senior staffer campaign manager, Greens (Tim Flannery an advisor), various merchant bankers and other business people financially involved in renewables industry and no doubt electric vehicles industry, including Turnbull & Son.

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    David Wojick

    The Abbott heresy headlines are there in order to help defeat him in the election.

    In the U.S. a good half the voters are skeptical of climate alarmist — most of the Repiblicans and enough Democrats to even things out. Is this not true in Oz? Sounds like it.

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      Tdef

      Abbot has three degrees. A Masters in International Politics from Oxford. He knows you have to compromise. So he is soft pedalling. The resources thrown against him are amazing. He is their greatest threat, especially if the ‘conservatives’ lose. As a comment in The Spectator, what is a Progressive Conservative? Unfortunately half are LINO like RINOs in the US. Flake. Ryan. McConnell.

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        Tdef

        Abbott openly has called Climate Change crap. He was removed by the Progressives who are now abandoning ship. Their work is done. As in Canada.

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        Tdef

        Abbott openly has called Climate Change crap. He was removed by the Progressives who are now abandoning ship. Their work is done. As in Canada.

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      Travis T. Jones

      Any hersey headlines about Abbott is self-inflicted.

      Here is one headline, yet, now he advocates to stay in the UN Paris agreement.

      Stay in the UN for what, if not to shovel more tax-payer money at the climate stopping UN (just not as much as his opposition) whilst masquerading as a conservative?

      Tony Abbott likens carbon tax to socialism in speech to Tasmanian Liberal Party conference

      “Let’s be under no illusions the carbon tax was socialism masquerading as environmentalism,” he said.”

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-26/abbott-attacks-shortencarbon-tax-socialism-labor/5047758

      You can’t make this stuff up.

      I wish I was.

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    el gordo

    “The so-called settled science is not quite as settled as people say, and that’s my position,” he told reporters.

    Like how come the polar bears survived the Holocene Climate Max?

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      Yonniestone

      Perhaps during the Holocene they too had delusional people who thought Polar Bears were cute and could be domesticated?

      Easy pickings for an apex predator.

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      TdeF

      There are many animals in the arctic, especially in the tundra of Siberia and Norther Canada and Alaska, not even counting the many aquatic species. Why is it that there is this focus on polar bears. There is only one answer. They are cute. In the way a Bengal Tiger is cute. Or a lion. Or a hippopotamus. The most dangerous is the hippopotamus. What’s so bad about voles and arctic owls and foxes? Or even Beluga whales or narwhales? Or walruses? What is it with Polar Bears? Cuteness? Their love of salads?

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        TdeF

        Or the odd weasel. A lot in the Climate Change business and they should protect their own.

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          Greg in NZ

          Don’t forget ants and termites… won’t somebody think of the termites… oh dear Gaia! “CO₂ emission from ant and termite nests was significantly higher than that from the surrounding soils, suggesting ant and termite nests are hot spots of CO₂ emission from the soil”.

          https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0929139317300318

          Sarawak / Borneo is a long way from the Siberian / Canadian Arctic I know, yet mere coincidence I’m sure, that most ‘houses of parliament’ resemble ant/termite nests. Ours Jacinda’s is called The Beehive.

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    Antoine D'Arche

    Somebody, somehow got to Tony Abbott

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      TdeF

      No, I doubt it. He is just being practical. You have to be in parliament to have a say and the forces against him are everything Getup and Labor can manage, plus the Turnbulls.

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        el gordo

        Its also worth remembering that the Coalition’s $2 billion Climate Solutions fund is similar to the Abbott government’s Direct Action Emissions Reductions Fund. So Tony can afford to be a lukewarmer.

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    Another example of the stupidity of the climate change hysteria. One of the few Australian politicians who is not more subservient to Israel than she is to America, has withdrawn her candidacy, because

    ““I’ve had 20 years’ experience in international relations and law including living and working in the Middle East,” Parke said. “My views are well known. But I don’t want them to be a running distraction from electing a Labor government which will take urgent and strong action on climate change. That’s why I have decided to withdraw my candidacy.”

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    Michael

    ‘meteorologists’ link at the end is broken

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    Dennis

    Frustrating, in moderation again.

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    Drapetomania

    The problem is..its hard to ask questions or ask for data or point out bs in this stuff.
    Its a shifting jellyfish target that is bringing in billions and keeps a load of useless egg heads in $$$.
    In a bizarre way..rising co2 leads to economic bounties..for a select few in the trough.
    The fans are being led by the nose and are perpetually clueless.

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