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More afraid of Climate Change Yeti than going to jail

Valve Turners protest illegally. Photo.

“Valve Turners” in action. The Hi-vis vest will help a lot if that gas leaks.

The Five “Valve Turners” broke in and turned off valves on the Keystone Pipeline and four other cross-border pipelines — in Washington, Montana and Minnesota. They are in their fifties and sixties and brave enough to risk jail, but not apparently brave enough to read skeptical material that might show that the actions they think are noble are really misguided, illegal, narcissistic, risky stunts as well as being pointless and inconvenient to thousands.

Foster, who is 53, was charged with criminal trespass and criminal mischief, conspiracy to commit criminal mischief and reckless endangerment. At his bond hearing in Cavalier, N.D., he learned that he faced a maximum sentence of more than 26 years.

The NY Times gives them hero treatment. Scott of the Antarctic could not get a write up this nice:

What Foster didn’t expect was that once he’d broken through the chain-link fence, he would be briefly overwhelmed by the magnitude of what he was about to do. He faced away from the biting wind, and allowed himself to cry. He then put a gloved hand on the steel wheel, which was almost three feet across and mounted vertically as if on the helm of a ship, and began to turn it. For long minutes it spun easily, but then both the wheel and the ground below his feet began to shake. Foster had been told to expect this, but still he hesitated. When he resumed turning, he had to throw his body into the task, at times dangling from the wheel to coax it downward. Finally, he could wrestle it no farther, and the shaking stopped. He felt a profound sense of relief. He replaced the lock on the wheel with a new padlock, sat down and, breathing heavily, began to record himself on his phone. “Hey, I’ve never shot video for grandkids that I don’t have yet,” he told the camera, “but I want any grandkids, or grandnephews and nieces or whatever, anybody in any family tree of mine, to know that once upon a time people burned oil, and they put it in these underground pipes, and they burned enough, fast enough, to almost cook you guys out of existence, and we had to stop it — any way we could think of.”

Not necessarily a harmless protest:

Lonny Johnson, the TransCanada employee who visited the site after Foster turned the valve, testified that the valve wasn’t designed to be closed against pressure as Foster had done, but that he’d found no cracks or leaks when he inspected it. The prosecutors, however, argued that a leak could have caused a fire or explosion or polluted the nearby Pembina River.

One trial ended in a hung jury, and that Valve Turner got 2 days jail, plus 30 days community service. He should have been been given 30 days boot camp with skeptics as therapy for his delusions and a lesson to read both sides of the story so he is not an easy victim for rent-seeking, self-serving industries and bankers.

Foster however got a real one year sentence:

Judge Fontaine … rejected the necessity defense because, in her view, there were still legal means to address climate change. “If you can’t convince the government, then you convince the people,” she said, “and it seems to me the way you convince the people in this world is by 60-second sound bites, by commercials.”

Commercials cost thousands and are unattainable for many. Someone should tell the judge about blogs, radio interviews and cartoons. Then again, perhaps she did say that.

…“Everything about you, and everything you’ve said to me, is this was the right thing to do, this is what I’m called to do, this is what I have to do. So nothing about that tells me you wouldn’t do the same thing next month, next year, next week.”

Judge Fontaine sentenced Foster to three years in prison, with two of those years to be suspended and served on supervised probation. Jessup was given a suspended sentence of two years.

Michael Foster and Emily Johnston set up 350.org.

Foster, a family therapist, longtime environmentalist and father of two….

Check the irony. He’s a former family therapist, now divorced and estranged from his own kids. I can’t throw in a wry line. This is just sad:

When Foster committed himself to the climate movement, he also recruited his children, then 8 and 10, to march and speak alongside him. His older child, now a cleareyed 16-year-old, says that both siblings were initially happy to participate — in part because it gave them a chance to spend time with their father, whom they saw less and less of as his activism increased. But before long, they felt pressured. “When we would try to refuse, when we would say, ‘Hey, I’m tired,’ or ‘Hey, I have homework,’ or ‘Hey, I have school today,’ it would be: ‘Don’t you care about the planet? Don’t you care about the future?’ ” the older child explains. “That felt awful, because of course we cared, of course we wanted to do our part. But it felt like he was using our voices to spread his message.”

He couldn’t let his family off the hook either, and resentments deepened. “When people asked me how things were going, how I was doing, I’d say, ‘He’s doing important stuff, and it matters,’ ” says his ex-wife, Malinda, who asked that her last name and her children’s names not be used to protect her family’s privacy. “I’d also say, ‘I really respect Gandhi, but I wouldn’t want to be married to him.’

Both Malinda and her older child say they felt constantly judged, and frustrated, by Foster’s inflexibility. In 2014, Malinda filed for divorce, and his children said they no longer wanted to be part of his activism — or part of his life.

The media, spineless politicians, and university academics who fail to do their jobs take advantage of weak-minded, obsessive types. That doesn’t excuse reckless action and personal responsibility. But taxpayer funded operatives shouldn’t be feeding that element with a personality flaw either.

 h/t to Howard “Cork” Hayden: author of many skeptical books including NEW! Energy: A Textbook, at www.energyadvocate.com. There are free resources at the site too.

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81 comments to More afraid of Climate Change Yeti than going to jail

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    Bitter&twisted

    A brainwashed idiot, trying to brainwash his kids about a non-existent problem.
    I blame the liberal media and governments who have spread this nonsense.

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      Roger

      These eco-activists seem to believe that they are answering a ‘higher calling’ and have a ‘right’ and perhaps even a duty to break the law to defend the planet on behalf of Gaia. They choose not to follow the laws and processes that democracy provides for but instead seek their desired ‘solutions’ by unilateral action outside of the law.

      We have seen similar in the UK where Animal Rights Activists went from protest to ‘direct action’ against property and businesses including destruction of property and equipment, and that continues to this day. But from that emerged groups who went much further and not only threatened but carried out violent attacks on individuals, including on one occasion 8 pensioners who were attacked with pick axe handles by balaclava clad animal rights activists and ended up in hospital.

      In an obscene example a group of activists dug up the body of a farming family’s grandmother and held this to ransom and would only return it if the family closed down their farm business.

      A belief that your cause is “so just” that it entitles you to act outside of the laws of man is a step towards totalitarian behaviour and is a mindset that poses too many dangers towards society for it to be tolerated.

      Religious beliefs of some form of ‘higher calling’ were evident during the Spanish Inquisition, they were totalitarian, violent and cruel in nature. Extremist Islamic jihadists seek to impose their own totalitarian vision of Islam upon all others using utmost barbarity, cruelty and violence.

      That AGW is a religious belief has been much discussed. Believing yourself to be in service to a religious or quasi-religious belief and thus ‘outside the laws of man’ is a very slippery slope.

      Jo, thanks for your advice.
      R

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        Radical Rodent

        You also have to ask: how did he get out there? Seems like an awful long way to walk.

        Was his bolt-cutter flint? If not, how was it made?

        What was he dressed in? He states that it was bitterly cold, so what was the origin of his clothes? (Good one that, as virtually any answer he gives would expose his hypocrisy!)

        If you have worry yourself up about the harm you are doing to environment, beat yourself up about it, not everybody else.

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    Ian1946

    The Leftist judge handing out soft sentences is a blight on society. Sadly no one seems to have the spine to fix the problem

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    One course at CE University, Soros funded, incorporates
    lessons for the Occupy movement, there’s the Program
    Director for the Environmental Sciences, Tamara Steger,
    with a slide behind that says ‘How to occupy people’s
    heads with your message.’Google her name and Occupy movement
    and you’ll see the video.

    Programs at Bard College, also financed by Soros, include a Palestinian youth group and The Bard Trustee Leader –Scholar program, Soros funded, a program that ‘encourages and supports
    students to do challenging, even brazen acts of world change.’
    Read about it at https://www.theblaze.com/news/2012/06/04/special-report-george-soros-godfather-of-the-left

    Social-warrior training is now a pervasive part of leftist
    values ‘education’via Gramsci/Soris’long march the institutions. Ref my latest blog post.

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    TedM

    It is the culpable scientists that need to be bought to account. These people are simply the equivalent of drug mules.

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    robert rosicka

    Lucky for them the pipe never burst but that is what the judge should have taken into account , had that pipe burst it would have been dangerous to the environment and anyone nearby .
    These people didn’t need a lecture they needed a 20 year holiday for terrorism.

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    Phoenix44

    I’m curious how they got to the pipeline? No fossil fuels used?

    But the problem with these people is their narcissism. Look at me, look at me they yell.

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    TdeF

    You would think after thirty years of this, people might look around and notice nothing had changed?
    Not a single prediction has been right. The world is not warming. Everything is fine. New York is not under water.
    The day after yesterday was fine. I would encourage anyone to go to the beach of their youth and
    swear that the sea has gone up in their lifetime or that the winters were warmer.

    In fact go to any port and look at the old wharves and show how much the sea has gone up.

    The worst scare though is that things will get more ‘extreme’. No one has explained how CO2 does that? CO2 produced warming is a remotely plausible hypothesis but what explanation is there for CO2 produced extremism? Did someone just make that up?

    So the promoters of this political science argue that while the last twenty years have not changed noticeably, they are as a group slightly warmer than the previous 10 years. So they argue about which of the Emperor’s New Clothes is more attractive.

    Where oh where is this runaway, tipping point, rapid warming and sea rise?

    Could this criminal vandalism be a perverse sign of frustration with the lack of any global warming. Across the world, this has been a particularly cold winter even in tropical Bangladesh. Snow in Paris. Snow in the Sahara. The terrible plane crash out of Moscow has just been blamed on frozen instruments. Clearly caused by Donald Trump and Global Warming.

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      TdeF

      Of course there is the rarely challenged logic that CO2 must go up because of fossil fuels. Nuts.

      This ignores every bit of science and relies on the consensus belief that most of the air is above sea level. What do fish breathe then?
      In fact 98% of all CO2 is in the ocean. If water temperature goes up even slightly, aerial CO2 will increase.
      That’s the flat beer principle. Everyone knows it.

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        TdeF

        GASES IN AIR AND DISSOLVED IN SEA WATER AT EQUILIBRIUM WITH AIR
        The percentage of gases in sea water is based on the total gases dissolved in sea water at equilibrium with air.
        Gas Symbol % in Air % in Sea Water
        Nitrogen N2 78.08 62.6
        Oxygen O2 20.95 34.3
        Argon Ar 0.934 1.6
        Carbon Dioxide CO 2 0.033 1.4

        As the first ten metres = 1 atmosphere, the first ten meters contains more air than the atmosphere.
        You might also notice how compressible polar CO2 is 50x more concentrated. How does ocean acidification work again?
        Now add the fact that the average depth of the oceans is 3.4km, so 340 atmospheres.
        Our fossil fuel CO2 is insignificant in the equilibrium of gases.

        Then consider that the lungs of the world are the oceans, which produce 2x as much O2 as the forests.

        Still, we are told we have polluted the planet with our miniscule CO2. Once again, nuts!

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          Will Janoschka

          Now add the fact that the average depth of the oceans is 3.4km, so 340 atmospheres. Our fossil fuel CO2 is insignificant in the equilibrium of gases.

          Indeed! Using 0°C as reference, Oceanic CO2 becomes liquid at depths greater than 150m; and has density greater than water at depths greater than 1.5 km! Below that ocean becomes stratified with greater than 50% (by volume) CO2 below 4 km. O2 dissolves in both; but ‘fishies’ have a hard time breathing. Sharks are good to go!
          All the best!-will-

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          Will Janoschka

          Please understand that there must exist; static gravitational compression by this Earth’s mass of anything compressible; like any/all surround fluid! Below 150m sea level; fishies, whales, sharks, and submarines; can piss out liquid CO2 rather than exchange such as a gas!
          All the best!-will-

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            Kinky Keith

            I’ll never think of whales in quite the same way again.

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              Keith, consider the compressible! critters like yourself! In submarine very weak compressible critters (us), are protected by “pressure hull”. Usns cannot pee liquid CO2, but that submarine must do so each “time to clear baffles” at such depth. Your young whale has stomach muscles much stronger than the ‘pressure hull’ on any submarine! :-)

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        rapscallion

        “Everyone knows it”

        That’s the problem TdeF, they aren’t taught this anymore. They don’t know it!

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      Dave

      Spot on TdeF

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      Radical Rodent

      TdeF: ah, but cold weather is just weather, whereas warm weather is climate change! Which means that we will soon have the interesting scenario of the weather getting colder and colder, while the climate gets warmer and warmer.

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    Quite a few well-off types dislike the pipeline. Seems their Uncle Warren owns the rail transport used for carting oil in those parts. Once again diesel is the favourite beverage of Green Blob.

    Choot-choot!

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    mc

    The prosecutors, however, argued that a leak could have caused a fire or explosion or polluted the nearby Pembina River.

    Dear Mr. Foster, it would be great if you could send me a copy of your autograph for my kids, they think you’re nearly as cool as Rocket Raccoon from Guardians Of The Galaxy!

    https://marvel.com/characters/70/guardians_of_the_galaxy

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    BruceC

    Seem to be pretty well ‘rugged-up’ in this period of ‘global warming’.

    Just sayin’.

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    Kinky Keith

    As is mentioned by TdeF above and known and accepted by all scientists with basic university degrees, there is no mechanism by which CO2 can adversely affect the atmospheric temperature.

    Human origin CO2 is but a miniscule fraction of atmospheric CO2 and is neutralized within 7 years by natural sequestration processes and/or absorption into that great CO2 sink called the ocean.

    That fact that we are now in the enlightened age of the 21st Century and politics is so disconnected from reality that it allows and even propagates this monstrous lie is almost beyond belief.

    Bizarre. Bring on the Shamans.

    KK

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      Will Janoschka

      That fact that we are now in the enlightened age of the 21st Century and politics is so disconnected from reality that it allows and even propagates this monstrous lie is almost beyond belief. Bizarre. Bring on the Shamans. KK

      Keith, Bankster funded media\politics\fakery;for profit. IS THIS REALITY! Physical science that distinguishes measurement from speculation\fantasy has no place in this SJW REALITY! The people wanted it; the people got it! OH WOWHA are the people\cattle\slaves! Government of,by,for; appears to have vanished :-(

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        Kinky Keith

        Will, your – of by for – has certain implications.

        That people will be Represented.

        And Represented in a way that is honest and accurate in light of the known reality OR representative of the majority of citizens.

        That may seem to give them room to squirm away from science because they’re representing everybody who wants to save the planet.

        Fact is the warmers are stuffing the planet.

        We all need better from our representatives.

        KK

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          “appears to have vanished” But so far have not perished from this Earth! All wonderful young earth critters (including whales) seem to love clever earthlings providing so much more food from this Sun! We can now jump out of the Ocean in joy! :-)

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      Roy Hogue

      KK,

      That’s an Oscar winning dissertation. It’s too bad there is no Oscar awarded for telling the truth.

      All I can do is give you a few green thumbs — one real one with a click of the mouse and a thousand more verbally.

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        Kinky Keith

        Thanks Roy.

        Will’s follow-up is very tightly condensed detail too.

        He even abreviates bits of American lore so well.

        Of the people, by the……..

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    glen Michel

    Welcome to the world of the post-modern zealot.Noble idiots? I think not! I know many of these fools first hand and they are convinced in their ignorance and unable to reason.Quick to anger and violence.Serious battle lines will have to be drawn,im afraid.

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    neil

    It’s time to make these puerile children understand that there are consequences for their actions.
    I believe in the three strikes and you’re out philosophy.
    first offence, guilty of damaging or obstructing public infrastructure. Penalty: A significant fine say $1000 and a restraining order restricting to 200 metres from the site.
    Second offence at the same site, disobeying a court order/contempt of court. Penalty: A more significant fine say $3000 and 30 days jail.
    Third offence at the same site, disobeying a court order/contempt of court. Penalty: One years jail, if it is new infrastructure under construction, jail until the project is complete, with a maximum of four years.

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      PeterS

      On the fourth offense they should be deported to North Korea. After all the leftists hate the rest of us and have praised North Korea on so many occasions.

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        NB

        First offence, year’s exile to Cuba. Second offence, Venezuela. Third offence, North Korea.

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          NB

          Oh, and if they survive that, and go for a fourth offence, let them spend the rest of their lives in any successful capitalist country, because that will give them the most angst of all.

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            Will Janoschka

            I prefer, “Off wit der ‘eads’, or ‘into da volcano’!” Saves so much court expense! Are we running out of such Judicial ignorance\incompetence\folk?

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              Roy Hogue

              Will,

              I expect you could specify appropriate justice where the courts cannot or will not do it.

              We think pretty much alike on one thing. Jail, even 26 years isn’t the right punishment.

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                Is “broken on the wheel” sufficient? How about repeated witch dunking (water-boarding) of several female congress critters\varmints, so very vocal? :-)

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                Roy Hogue

                Neck and arms in the stocks on the Capitol Mall for a few weeks with a big sign enumerating their sins is more like what I’ve been thinking.

                But maybe we could follow the waterboarding with what I suggested.

                I hate to use something from slate as an example but there weren’t very many examples that were: cartoon; large enough; neck in the hole; not likely to be controversial for other reasons than the method of shaming.

                Slate is not my idea of good journalism but I’ll give them credit for the image.

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      Graeme No.3

      Good luck with trying to reason with them. The problem is that they believe they are right and anyone who disagrees is completely wrong and must be doing so for evil motives.
      They are entitled to protest against oil, gas or coal projects but they cross a line when they start to think that they can disrupt them, but have got away with it for years e.g. Greenpeace, the Sea Shepherd, and these valve turners are just doing the same. Should their actions cause a disaster they will dismiss any blame and say that “it proves how dangerous the project is” and it must be shut down. I cannot see any end until there are deaths and those responsible are convicted of murder.

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        … they will dismiss any blame and say that “it proves how dangerous the project is” and it must be shut down. I cannot see any end until there are deaths and those responsible are convicted of murder.

        These projects (keystone XL pipeline) are irretrievably dangerous! One small leak of that Alberta gunk into the Ogallala Aquifer and the whole US great plains becomes void of life! Alaska should have demonstrated the need for visible above ground pipelines with triple drip pans! Proper engineering can mitigate such danger, but then profits evaporate!
        All the best!-will-

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          KinkyKeith

          Will, it seems that we share an interest in common.

          I am, more than most, very pro mining and very pro industry, provided they clean up after themselves and act as decent world citizens while operating.

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            “Will, it seems that we share an interest in common.” Keith, the whole CFC refrigerant thingy was a no brainer if clean up your mess! Now we have leaky Dupont crap even worse! Let the cows crap wherever, but do not step in such! Here in Arkansas we need spread out turkey litter, as only turkey litter makes da rocks sprout grass! :-)

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    cedarhill

    They’re ecoterrorist. They should be sent to Gitmo until the ecoterrorism threat is eliminated. Actions must have consequences that are severe enough to serve as deterrents to others – i.e., one of the major purposes of the criminal justice system.

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      Jonesy

      I reckon give these lovers of nature and all things not human a heling hand to reach nirvana.

      …strip them of their worldy possessions, their clothes, their internet…every scrap of modern technology and helidrop them into the heart of the Guatemala jungle. As far as possible from any human habitation (…about 10 kliks should do it) and let them embrace nature in all its glory!

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        Bushkid

        There’s a Tom Clancy novel that ends exactly that way, with the eco-terrorists stripped of all and every modern facility and tool and convenience, and left to commune with nature, over 100km from anywhere in the South American jungle. In the novel, these same eco-terrorists were prepared to wipe out, kill, exterminate, by way of an engineered variant of the ebola virus, almost the entire human population to achieve their goal of “saving the planet”. Of course, Clancy’s good guys win the day.

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      Serp

      Australians could be sent to Macquarie Island to live off the rats.

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        sophocles

        Australians could be sent to Macquarie Island to live off the rats.

        They would have to negotiate quotas with the resident serpents.

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    pat

    the writer. how come Jo doesn’t receive awards and get published like Michelle?

    Wikipedia: Michelle Nijhuis is an American science journalist who writes about conservation and climate change for many publications, including National Geographic and Smithsonian magazines…
    Nijhuis received the 2006 Walter Sullivan Award for Excellence in Science Journalism from the American Geophysical Union; a 2006 AAAS Science Journalism Award in the small newspaper category; the Media Award from the American Institute of Biological Sciences; and three additional awards from the American Society of Journalists and Authors. Nijhuis has been a finalist for the National Academies Communication Award…
    She has also published in the New York Times, Nature, Scientific American, National Geographic, Audubon, and Orion, among many other outlets…

    not a lot of response, and not all favourable:

    Twitter: Michelle Nijhuis: I’ve been working on this story on and off for more than a year, and it’s still making me ask myself new questions. I hope it does the same for you.
    “I’m Just More Afraid of Climate Change Than I Am of Prison” LINK…
    from the few replies:
    Jim Handman: Lovely piece, Michelle. Written with great care and sensitivity
    David Graham: Suggestion for re-write “On Oct 11th they drove on roads built using OIL powered equipment with their white sedan built by using steel & minerals mined by OIL powered equip, transported by OIL powered equip to manufacturing facilities powered by fossil fuel generated energy” etc
    https://twitter.com/nijhuism/status/963427245845917696

    behind paywall. can’t find the Sydney article referenced:

    “Go back to Bondi” – Adani protester given no sympathy
    Townsville Bulletin-22 hours ago
    “Go back to Bondi” – Adani protester given no sympathy. SAM BIDEY … A WHITSUNDAY councillor says Adani protesters are glorifying criminal activity in the wake of an activist boasting about being arrested in a Sydney newspaper. … “That’s a tactic they use to try to mitigate the effectiveness of our protest

    Facebook: Townsville Bulletin: An Adani protester from New South Wales has been told to “go back to Bondi” after claiming police attempted to manipulate him into ceasing his protest. PIC
    11 unsympathetic comments.
    https://www.facebook.com/townsvillebulletin/posts/10156222204466180


    [Thanks Pat :-) --Jo]

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      Roy Hogue

      The dumbells of journalism get published where the ones who know what the score is can’t even get their names mentioned.

      When has it ever been otherwise? Global warming became the PC bandwagon cause on which to jump aboard a long time ago.

      Let’s face it, Jo struggles to get along because she’s telling the world there is no problem, something believable because of the lack of real evidence to the contrary. But who will pay her for that? Who will listen to that? The ugly truth is that if you want to succeed financially, if you want to have a following that will fawn all over you, then you need to tell people they have a problem and you know how to solve it. Never mind what the truth is.

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        …if you want to have a following..

        Joanne Nova seems to have intelligent\thoughtful following! It is the Soros paid media promoters of SJW agenda, with vast profit for the very elite; like the Soros,Bush,Crinton,bankster crime cartels! These elite varmints buy the votes\voters to elect the most corrupt,untrustworthy,congressional representatives that can be purchased by the same moneyed elite!
        All the best!-will-

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          ‘Soros paid media’ … its a behemoth,Will, Soros, the man
          behind the curtain.
          https://beththeserf.wordpress.com/2018/02/13/50th-edition-serf-under_ground-journal/

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            Beth, remember that the time of the US constitution, there was absolutely no ‘currency’, let alone fiat currency!! Barter, trade, Two young rabbits fer dozen eggs viable transaction (buying\selling). Yes, perhaps few shillings one way or other! Beware the used Mule salesman! At that time we still had trust in a handshake! NO-MORE! This current FAKE US government can have no trust by folk\usins whatsoever!! Conserted violent total distruction of all BANKSTERS with any form of’currency’ is demanded from all ‘folk’ with every weapon available! Else (of,by,for,)FOLK must perish from this Earth! The US armed forces shall not interfere; but instead man the beer pretzel booths!

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              My dad, inventor, entrepreneur, used to say to us,
              ‘Your handshake is your bond.’ And re whiny snowflake
              behavior, ‘If you get in for nothing, you clap!’ He had
              sayings about money as well. )

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          Roy Hogue

          Joanne Nova seems to have intelligent\thoughtful following!

          Yes she does. And most of us are old farts like me, not politically or scientifically influential anymore even if we once were and if I’m any good at reading between the lines, no one pays Jo for any of it. She survives on donations. The big oil money is the biggest joke in the world.

          She must be putting in long hours most days, does her own research and for all that effort she’s vilified by people who aren’t qualified to mop her kitchen floor.

          So am I right or am I wrong? You get to be the judge. :-)

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            Kinky Keith

            Yes, Yes, and Yes.

            This site has done amazing things centred around the CAGW Myth that has enthralled modern society.

            The capacity of shysters to missinform, restructure the production and pricing of electricity, arrange the imposition of “special” new taxes and much more, have all been examined, pulled apart and assessed on the Jonova blog.

            The range of input and depth of understanding of the technical, political and financial aspects of CAGW demonstrated here is truly mind boggling and occasionally, when the brain gets dulled and exhausted, there is an outbreak of stupidity or humour to provide relief.

            Thanks Jo.

            :-) KK

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    Gary

    If the article description of Foster is accurate, he shows signs of obsessive-compulsive disorder. OCD sufferers are compelled by overwhelming emotions to do what they do. That doesn’t excuse the actions but it explains them. The incarceration is an opportunity to give him some psychological help.

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    Geoffrey Williams

    The location and the security of such a major shut-off valve should be reviewed. Not really difficult to do, so why not?
    Heavy duty fenced off,vandal proof compound would be a start
    GeoffW

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    Roy Hogue

    I cannot say what I’m thinking about these — what shall I call them? Protesters is too lenient. Perhaps criminal is the right word? Jo would probably delete my comment if I said what I would like to say — or worse, ban me from the site.

    I would make an appropriate public example of them but unfortunately the courts would not go for that.

    Adults of their age should know better and the punishment should fit the real crime which is failure to be a responsible adult.

    We fail in our basic responsibility to society when we fail to give anyone contemplating such action a good incentive to give what they would like to do a second and maybe even a third thought before doing anything.

    Destruction of even the padlock on the surrounding gate, much less destruction of the chain or lock on the valve could have very far reaching consequences for the very thing these people say they’re protecting because they went on and closed the valves. Failure to understand is the worst crime of all in this climate change war.

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    The irony is that CO2 has no significant effect on climate. http://energyredirect3.blogspot.com/

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      Kinky Keith

      Good outline Dan and good to see a mention of “relaxation time”. In previous comments I’ve mentioned that the “hold time” when CO2 absorbs IT is in the order of milliseconds, just to make the point that it is not hours or days as Global Warming theorists would have us believe.

      CO2 in air is always in contact with other molecules and if it does selectively absorb a little bit more than a local nitrogen molecule, it is going to move to equilibrium with that parcel of air, Very Quickly.

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        Kinky Keith

        Autobloodycorrect, not IT its IR.

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          Autobloodycorrect, not IT its IR.

          Keith, atmospheric CO2 absorbs little or no IR radiative emission (flux) from the Earth’s surface! The big scam is that ridiculous claim “All mass radiates EMR proportional to T^4″; such cannot and does not ever physically happen! Nor did any viable ‘Scientist’ ever claim such!That R.M.Goody & Y.L.Yung atmospheric physics text, continues to be propagated by academia; but has never been verified!
          All the best!-will-

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    crakar24

    The problem here is a lack of security, if one was to drive on the Bore fields road from Roxby Downs to Bopeechee corner (Oodnadatta track) you will see several pumping stations which supply water to the mine.

    To enter a pumping station you need to get past the razor wire, then an electric fence then very hungry feral dogs. This security system has been proven to be very successful at keeping stoopid greenies out.

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    Hot under the collar

    Such a sad, illuminating story. Incredible that mainstream media have painted them as some sort of save the planet eco warriors. The real story here is that a former family therapist is so brainwashed about the threat of climate change that his ignorant cult view has made him use and cause psychological harm to his own children. He has ruined his family life and destroyed their childhood years, filling their heads with constant worry and guilt about climate change.
    What next? Mass suicide / murder to protect future generations from ‘climate change’?

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    Nik

    In the last 600 million years, CO2 has had no effect on climate, even when it was 17 times present level.
    For several million years when CO2 level increased, global temperature decreased, and when CO2 decreased, global temperature increased, also for several millions of years.
    The theory that CO2 is causing ”global warming” has only existed since carbon tax was invented!
    QUOTE; ” If the observed facts do not agree with the theory, then no matter how elegant the theory, the theory is WRONG!” (Richard Feynman-Nobel prize physicist).
    Only the ignorant and stupid believe this new ”global warming” myth.
    Unfortunately there’s an awful lot of them around.

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