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Rex Tillerson — would have profited from anti-carbon schemes but stood against them

At the moment Rex Tillerson is the hot favourite for Secretary of State. He runs the worlds largest oil and gas company, Exxon, which is also the ninth largest company in the world, and has had a near perfect credit rating since, ooo, the Great Depression. Not too shabby at negotiating deals then?

As a mark of his character, consider that while Tillerson ran Exxon, the company was one of the only ones that donated money to skeptics* — yet Exxon is an oil and gas company, not a coal miner — so it would profit from anti-carbon schemes that it was exposing. Big-Gas benefits from anti-coal rules, because coal is so cheap. For all the talk of “fossil fuels funding skeptics” all the other Big Gas majors like BP and Shell have ridden the green wave, picking up government subsidies, lobbying for carbon trading and wind farms (which need gas backup).

So if Tillerson wanted to take the easy road, he would never have funded skeptics.  He’s been on the “top-ten” enemy-list for the EcoWorriers for having actually given some money to skeptics (a tiny fraction of what Exxon gave to renewables, but a sin of the first order nonetheless.) There aren’t many people who’ve borne more flack from the fans of Big Government.

The vitriol against Exxon reached fever pitch in 2005-2008. Environmental groups urged a boycott of Exxon for its views on Global Warming7. It was labeled An Enemy of the Planet. 8 James Hansen called for CEOs of fossil energy companies to be “tried for high crimes against humanity and nature.”9 In the next breath he mentioned Exxon.

Even The Royal Society, which ought to stand up for scientists and also for impeccable standards of logic, joined the chorus to implore Exxon to censor its speech10.

Exxon funding to skeptics ended in 2007, but Exxon even faced a potential RICO probe this year. The “stain” of funding skeptics is spun out for years.

Perhaps Trump just like Tillerson’s efficiency — when it comes to funding skeptics Exxon paid a mere 0.8% of what the US government spent on the climate industry at the same time — yet Exxon was accused of “distorting the debate”.  That’s value for money.

So what job will Trump give the Koch’s I wonder.

PS: while Desmog ties everyone to Exxon, they tie Tillerson to Russia –proving in DeSmogland that everyone is tied to something other than the things they are tied too.

*Not to me!

UPDATE: On second thoughts, maybe Tillerson doesn’t deserve quite so much credit for funding skeptics. He was VP from 1999-2004, then President til 2006, and CEO thereafter. Lee Redmond was CEO before him and as Alan Moran suggests – might be more the guy who deserves the credit. Tillerson has apparently said some things lately that don’t sound at all skeptical, like saying we need to reduce emissions and sign up for Paris. Hmm.

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    Yonniestone

    Trump is proving to be quite exciting isn’t he?, reading this news yesterday even American Thinker is a bit iffy about the idea citing a conflict of interests and morality but later offers a warmer reception with some points that Jo suggests here regarding sensible approach to future energy needs.

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      Spetzer86

      The amazing thing is how much angst he’s generated and he’s not even in office yet! The number of people that already want to impeach him is pretty impressive and he’s not completed an official presidential action. Only a few more weeks and he’ll be in a position to begin changing things. If nothing else, it’ll be interesting.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      The “World” section, of the New Zealand Dominion Post (published in Wellington – the capital), carried the banner headline, “Friend of Vladimir for top US post.

      Donald Trump’s rationale for the appointment: “He knows many of the players, and he knows them well. He does massive deals in Russia”. He is trusted by both ideological sides. What better broker for peace could you imagine.

      A Russian I know, sent me a email: “Mr Tillerson is more well respected in Moscow than the Pope.” I wasn’t aware that the Pope was respected at all in Moscow, so we live and learn.

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        bobl

        There are around a million Catholics in Russia and the Russian Orthodox church is a historical peer of the Roman church – There is a mutual respect between the orthodox church and Catholic church – so I would say the the Pope is very respected

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      Roy Hogue

      Trump is proving to be quite exciting isn’t he?

      What a masterful understatement. :-)

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        Roy Hogue

        He’s turned politics as usual right over on it’s head. If he never does another thing he will have put the whole of world politics on notice that the people do have some power after all.

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        PhilJourdan

        Love him or hate him, we cannot deny he is entertaining. :-)

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          Roy Hogue

          Rod,

          I have loved roller coasters all my life but this election has been better than the best roller coasters I can remember.

          Years ago at Long Beach California there was a big wooden coaster, a double track racer and probably one of the best anywhere. And every time the two trains were released the attendant would holler out,

          Hold onto your hats, your girls and don’t stand up.

          I can still hear that in my head today. And it could so easily be said about this election too — whatever else it may be, it’s been a very wild ride.

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    The implosion of the Green-Left is a wonder to observe.

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      ianl8888

      Even a casual observer would have noticed here in Aus over the last 3 weeks or so the enormous increase in anxious virtue signalling from all sorts of “business” lobbies to show green credentials. A veritable explosion of “price on carbon”, “reduction in carbon” and other totally meaningless and barf-inducing phrases.

      And all in the face of the continuing damage inflicted by deliberately crippling the SA grid, the Vic grid and the collapse of the Tas grid a short while ago. Who needs stinking empirical evidence, anyway ?

      What has prompted this sudden outpouring of pious virtue ? Trump’s election, of course. Just another expression of fear from the wobblies that their carefully constructed public persona may suddenly have no clothes, as the small boy said of the Emperor.

      Trump, in all his vulgarity, may not succeed but he will certainly give it a go. And the unbearable stink of pious hypocrisy attached to the green/PC propaganda certainly deserves a big, vulgar, noisy Mack truck running right over the top of them.

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        David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

        And now Sydney’s Lord Mayor, Clover Moore, has come back from a conference in Mexico completely indoctrinated, and setting out to make her city carbon neutral. This from Sydney’s SMH:
        http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/-gt98ly.html

        (There’s a paywall in place, but you get 30 free accesses per month)

        Cheers,
        Dave B

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          Easy, close down Sydney.

          Some appear worried about Adelaide’s ability to survive the Green journey: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-12/power-grid-in-need-of-multi-billion-dollar-upgrade:-report/8111468.

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            Analitik

            Inner Melbourne too since their Federal Member, Adam Bandt wants his electorate to be ‘Carbon Free’.

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            Close them all down. Either nobody will notice, so mission completed; or there will be many howls of angst and much beating of breasts, and the rendering asunder of the veils of the shopping mall.

            This will indicate it probably wasn’t the smartest idea, either of them has had.

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          Manfred

          Wonderful. Happy Christmas Sydney. Go for it. Go on become carbon neutral, a political eco-hallucination that includes deindustrialisation, a declining tax base, power and fiscal impoverishment, economic failure, death by heat, no jobs and eventually depopulation, you know, that sustainable Green nirvana that the intellectually vacant strive for.

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          David Maddison

          Why can’t Sydney just put windmills on top of every tall building and I’m sure you could stick quite a few on the Harbor Bridge?

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            FarmerDoug2

            NIMBY
            Doug

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            Great idea!

            With enough wind, my cussies could fly over to Aotearoa for Christmas, instead of the rest of the family having to fly to SYD.

            [That is interesting. My spelling checker keeps on wanting to change SYD to STD. It has obviously been on holiday, in some of the more dubious parts of "The Cross".]

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              sophocles

              It has obviously been on holiday, in some of the more dubious parts of “The Cross”.]

              … maybe it’s just cognisant of the SYD reputation for STD? :-)
              That would make it one of the more intelligent or predictive spelling checkers. Perhaps you should keep it on?

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            Peter C

            he Australian Catholic Unversity in Melbourne was very proud of their new Danial Mannix building when it was constructed about 10 years ago. It had 5 savonious wind turbines on the roof.

            The wind turbines were removed about 5 years ago. They were often not turning, even before that. ACU declinde to answer my email question about the turbines.

            The turbines are shown here
            https://www.acu.edu.au/staff/our_university/directorates,_offices_and_their_units/properties/properties_news/latest_news/news_items/sustainability_update

            Although the website boasts that the turbines (and solar cells) saved $35,000, I suspect that the maintenace costs exceeded the savings.

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            Bill

            Not possible to place windmills on top of tall buildings in Sydney. Against the rules of the OLS around Sydney Airport. One of my jobs in a previous life was to undertake analysis of height s of new developments and either agree or have them knocked back. Commonwealth laws on this trump State and local Govt planning rules.

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          beowulf

          I imagine Clover has organised for $6m worth of carbon-free fireworks to release carbon-free smoke at this New Years Eve event on the harbour, and the same again for Australia Day.

          She might also consider asking surrounding councils to commit to carbon-free bushfires this summer so all that yucky carbon smoke doesn’t end up over her inner city fiefdom.

          Sydney will end up like her version of The Dome where all the perceived nastiness of the world is kept out while her neon festooned CBD continues to suck up its invisible coal-fired lifeblood from the Hunter Valley power stations.

          Australia is truly a land of wide open spaces – especially between Clover’s ears.

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          And now Sydney’s Lord Mayor, Clover Moore, has come back from a conference in Mexico completely indoctrinated, and setting out to make her city carbon neutral.

          Total yearly output of EVERY wind plant in Australia – around 9TWH

          Total yearly power consumption for Sydney – Around 30TWH

          Wind power generates its power at a 30% Capacity Factor, and that 30% can be related to time, and even though there will be small amounts at all times, that 30% equates to a total power for 7.2 hours a day.

          Sydney consumes its power for the full 24 hours of every day.

          Tony.

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            I’ll bet the windmills will be rotating wildly today as the supposed ‘horror’ heatwave hits Sydney, as reported in our Fake News sites today. I’m not sure how 36C in Summer constitutes a ‘horror’ heatwave, as that’s not even a ton in the old Imperial system. I remember day after day of over 100F (38C) days in Melbourne when I was a kid. They sure make them weak nowadays if 36C is horror heat.

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              PeterPetrum

              I was driving around Sydney in the late 60′s early 70′s in a Morris 1100 with no air conditioning or demister. Out west it was over 100 in the old scale for three to four days in a row, before the southerly buster came in and took it all back down again. And I was crawling through roof voids carrying out termite inspections in temperatures well above that. I remember saying “Christ, it’s a bit hot!” occasionally, but gee, it was Australia and it was summer and that was what I expected. Now we are warned of “blistering heat” by baby journalists who were not even alive then and told to keep our kids and grannies indoors to stop then suffering from heat exposure from temperatures in the mid 30′s.

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              Annie

              It’s all ‘subtle’ indoctrination of the ‘snowflake’ generation! I loathe the high heat but have experienced nothing unusual lately. When we first came to Australia our first summer included a day of 42.3C in Melbourne and we certainly had no AC then and lived in a flimsy brick-veneer house. We just had to get on with it. That was the day there were fires at Lara and embers from it came across the bay and through the fly wire in the loo.

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          RodM

          The surrounding shires might prosper if they don’t follow Clover’s dream.

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          Allen Ford

          It’s all too late, I am afraid. A new genie has leapt out of the bottle, if the SMH is to be believed:

          Rice paddies and flatulent cows appear to be behind a surge in the potent greenhouse gas methane over the past decade, a shift that threatens to counter efforts to curb global warming, scientists say.

          After growing at the rate of half a part per billion annually for the first six years of this century, atmospheric levels of methane have “experienced puzzling dynamics”, increasing more than 10-fold since 2007, researchers said in a paper published Monday in Environmental Research Letters.

          Methane is now the new CO2, so it’s all downhill from here.

          Doom awaits!

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          Clover Moore wanted everybody on bicycles too; which makes them more likely to require medical treatment.

          Consequences? Damn the consequences. Certainly doesn’t reduce health costs.

          P.S. Some of Sydney’s dirtiest air is, in my experience, to be found at its underground railway stations. Particulately dirty.

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          William

          David, go to the Brisbane Times, you get all of the Fairfax news without a paywall. And they wonder why they are going broke.

          But don’t tell them I sent you.

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      David Maddison

      I’m loving watching the meltdown of the Left. Many of the Left have become withdrawn and don’t even post on Facebook any more.

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    John F. Hultquist

    Other funny stuff:

    A writer jumped all over the Ben Carson appointment. Seems there is a picture of Dr. Ben in his nice house.
    However, read the “Early life and education” part of his Wikipedia entry.
    Seems living in a nice house doesn’t mean you were born there.

    Another writer wondered why a Gov. from a small midwest state (Iowa’s Terry Branstad) should be going to China as ambassador.
    Another Oops!
    Chinese President Xi Jinping first visited Iowa in 1985 and the 2 men have visited many times and consider each other “longtime friends.”

    I’m sure there are more of these – can anyone keep up?

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    Leonard Lane

    Like gold, good people are where you find them.
    Don’t know it is absoutly valid, but close I think, to judge the quality of Trump’s appointments by the degree of uproar and silly comments made by the leftists. The more leftists’ uproar the better the appointment.

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    Mark M

    For our red thumb, cue the sad trombone.

    As The Don-elect said, “There will be so much winning, you might get bored with winning. No, you could never get bored with winning.”

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    jorgekafkazar

    The so-called Democrats have villainized the oil companies to the point that all debate is shut off. Even though oil company profits are not exceptional, it’s assumed by all the watermelons that they are greedy plutocrats.

    A while ago, one of the green ignorati was telling us how to get back at the oil companies. She and all her friends were going to all stop buying gas from Exxon unless they went green. Then when Exxon complied or went under, they’d boycott ARCO and force them to their knees. And so on. When I told the idiot that the oil companies all sell gas to each other, she said, “I didn’t want to hear that.”

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    Fantail

    It really is something to witness. Trump’s appointment is turning out to be far better than anticipated already. Anybody with even slight eco-warrior or ultra-Left wing sympathies is being sidelined. Looks to me like many departments in Washington, DC are going to get fumigated after Jan. 20.

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      el gordo

      The man is an outstanding charismatic individual who tells the truth and just happens to be the Alliance leader. Never thought I would live to see the day. Donald’s tweeting will have to stop next year, I imagine

      ‘The F-35 program and cost is out of control. Billions of dollars can and will be saved on military (and other) purchases after January 20th.’

      12:26 AM – 13 Dec 2016

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        el gordo

        Australia could build a trans continental bullet train network for $17 billion, Malcolm is a political minnow and idjit.

        ‘Australia will push ahead with its $17 billion purchase of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, despite an announcement that Canada’s new government will axe its intended purchase.’

        ABC

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          AndyG55

          “Australia will push ahead with its $17 billion purchase of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters”

          Question is.. will ONE be enough !!!

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            Dennis

            Does Australian have one so far or several now delivered? We do have two Squadron Leaders in the US training to fly and operate these weapons platforms preparing to train RAAF pilots in Australia.

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            Wayne Job

            Under the watch of the government in yankee land companies have been getting away with crap products. I would not even consider the F35 until it was proven, and as an old ground engineer and flight engineer that had an affinity for Lockheed aircraft that is saying something.

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              David Maddison

              One of the greatest wins for reason under Obumma was keeping the A10 program which he wanted to scrap, presumably because it was one of the US military’s most powerful weapons against those that ride camels and use AK47′s to murder innocent people, as well as other evil people.

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              Will Janoschka

              How about that SU-35 for half the price? Makes even the F-22 look sick.

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          toorightmate

          el gordo,
          That should be Idjit (upper case I).

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            el gordo

            I’ll pay that mate.

            There are a lot of US jobs at stake and Lockheed’s stocks have tumbled since Trump tweeted, so they have given Israel two F35 as a PR exercise.

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              Dennis

              Most new military aircraft have to be sorted out during the early production stages, from software to engines. The F-35 is not a Fighter in the air to air combat “dog fighting” sense, it is a weapon’s platform that performs many tasks including air to ground surveillance and monitoring of enemy shipping and ground based assets from a very long distance away from the field of battle. It has been described as a play station for experts with a large computer screen that has many functions. The pilot-operator needs far less time to fly an F-35 than to fly previous generation military aircraft or fighters. The flying time reduction enables the pilot to concentrate on tasks other than flying the aircraft.

              It has defensive and offensive capabilities and can engage an enemy aircraft from a great distance, F-35 having stealth technology and very advanced electronics. And has the design capability to be upgraded for many decades to come. It is only slightly slower than the US front line F-18 Super Hornet of last generation. But its speed and manoeuvrability is not its primary defence capability.

              People might remember the controversy surrounding the 1960s F-111 fighter bomber swing wing aircraft and they proved to be worlds best at that time and for a few decades after going into service. They remain a very capable aircraft but stealth technology has grounded them, and some other technology advancements that would be too expensive to fit.

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                Dennis

                Hard to explain, but the last federal Labor government decided to modify the RAN’s latest ships designed to carry soldiers and equipment including helicopters. They have an aircraft runway deck and a ski jump on the bow. Helicopters don’t need this. The plan was to carry a small number of vertical take off and landing version of F-35, similar to the Harrier jump jet in performance capabilities. Labor cancelled the equipment needed to handle these fixed wing aircraft.

                Apparently the cost to install what is needed now far exceeds the saving gained by cancelling the equipment.

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                Rod Stuart

                The don-elect has an opinion on the F-35 programme as well.

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                Dennis

                From News.com

                Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne says Australia remains committed to proceeding with the investment despite the criticism.
                Speaking to reporters in London on Monday, Mr Pyne defended Australia’s choice of the jet, saying it was “the most potent weapon in the air”.
                “We’re very confident that the Joint Strike Fighter is the right jet for Australia and for the United States and the rest of the world.
                “Whether it has been efficiently managed from the United States’ point of view in terms of their cost and delays and so on is really a matter for them and for President-elect Trump’s opinion.”
                Shares in Lockheed Martin fell more than three per cent after Mr Trump’s tweet.
                Other military corporations hcwe also suffered sharemarket falls.
                Last week Mr Trump sent Boeing’s stock tumbling when he criticised the “out of control costs” for the new Air Force One fleet

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                el gordo

                Good presentation Dennis, but the exorbitant amounts of money spent, to guard against an enemy who is walking through the door with loads of cash, defies belief. It won’t go down too well with the 300,000 pensioners about to get cuts in their small stipend.

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                Will Janoschka

                Northrup’s F-23 would have done that job better, at half the price. Would have been a much better carrier craft also!

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                Rod Stuart

                Will
                How would that compare with the SU-35 Super Flanker?

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              bobl

              A nice buying opportunity, Trumps a showman, all he wants is a better deal and he’ll get it. Chances are he will settle for Lockheed getting the same profit but the USA getting more planes for it.

              He is a deal maker a master haggler and he loves it. I would bet on Trump improving LMs bottom line in the long run. Same with drug prices, he can use the governments resources to better guarantee the drug companies profits improving sales volume and reducing price. The PBS does that here, if you want to get any volume of sales, you gotta be on the PBS.

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      David Maddison

      I hope Donald has the White House fumigated before he moves in.

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        Will Janoschka

        He has already said he doesn’t want to move in!
        The gov must provide, don’t think they can demand. Have you seen the digs Mar-a-Lago?

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    el gordo

    Tillerson has courage of conviction and also happens to be on the right side of history, good choice Donald.

    ‘Earlier this year, a group of state attorneys general said they would investigate whether Exxon violated consumer protection and securities laws by downplaying the risks of manmade climate change — to the public and shareholders — even as its own scientists warned company executives of the consequences of burning fossil fuels ….’

    The Texas Tribune

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    Amber

    The renewable grant seekers are going to go from green to red real soon when the robbery of tax payers ends .
    A Carbon Tax in the USA is now officially DOA . Even Washington voters turned it down in their state last month .
    British Columbia (BC) Liberals on the other side of the border continue to screw citizens despite original enacted legislation recognized they
    would not put the province at risk by imposing a tax that others did not impose . A tax imposed is only going to get retracted by another government .
    The BC carbon tax has done virtually nothing but make bigger government and nor will it unless the objective is European fuel poverty deaths . When a carbon tax is imposed in a volatile energy commodity market it is lost in the noise of price volatility and is rendered useless . When the carbon tax was introduced in BC in 2008
    the natural gas commodity price was approx. $10 per GJ . The natural gas commodity price is now about $3 per GJ . A carbon tax price signal is complete BS as are the trumped up studies done by university professor promoters claiming success .
    The business community in BC are such politically correct cowards the Liberals had their way . Not in Washington and now not in the USA .
    BC is left as an exporter of resources and coffee shop jobs with a tiny sprinkling of former manufacturing jobs .
    Do the right thing Australia tell the global warming alarmists to bugger off and stuff the carbon tax fraud before it infects your economy .

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      Rod Stuart

      Amber, I am interested to know your thoughts about the Site C dam on the Peace River.
      Christy Clark has encountered a great deal of flak over this issue, but it is under construction.
      While the existing hydro-electric infrastructure on the Peace has powered the Province since construction of the Bennett Dam in the 1960′s, I note that site C is a mere 110 MW for the astounding capital cost of 9 billion loonies.
      Even BC hydro suggests a production cost in the order of 90 loonies per MWH.
      I recall the days of Junior Bennett, and the mega project to deliver coal to Japan. The opposition said “Japan gets the coal, and BC gets the HOLE”.
      I believe that an 1100 MW capacity HELE plant could deliver at little more than 1/3 the cost of site C.
      What do the locals think?

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    Manfred

    Back to the Pause?

    New official data issued by the Met Office confirms that world average temperatures have plummeted since the middle of the year at a faster and steeper rate than at any time in the recent past.

    The freezing winter temperatures (decribed as a record Arctic plunge delivering freezing temperatures as far south as the Gulf coast) currently thrashing the midwestern and northeastern US is a harbinger of things to come, with a big chill due by the weekend. In the UK, a bitter winter beckons with the near guarantee of an energy shortfall, an utterly self-fulfilling prophecy and recurrently predicted.

    A Triumphant toilet flush is imminent in both the US and the UK. The Green edifice founded on eco-political fanaticism fueled by the fakery of precautionary science is glaringly, obviously and compellingly unsustainable. Lies have short legs and the euphemism of ‘climate change’ is no exception. The absurdity of subsidising one’s own industrial and political demise has yet to dawn clearly on politicians, though I suggest that the populists understand very clearly. Reality has yet to pop the green bubble in NZ, though it appears underway in Australia and SA in particular. Eventually folk may realise that paying for the lights to go out is no more than a fool’s errand for a non-problem. Call it double jeopardy if you like.

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    John Michelmore

    It would have been more cost effective to keep the coal fired power station at Port Augusta running until we had a nuclear power plant to replace it in SA. Carbon problems solved!

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      Manfred

      Seasons greetings JM.
      Define ‘carbon problems’ or is the /sarc tag missing?

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        John Michelmore

        Yes, I was being sarcastic!

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          Manfred

          Dang. That could have been a lot of festive fun.
          Have a good one.

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            toorightmate

            Wait until the academics have spent the $45M on Antarctic ice core drilling – and then the science will be settled (again).

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              Egor TheOne

              And even if it isn’t settled, we have ‘climate authorities’ to pontificate to us that it is!

              Isn’t Josh Frydenburg, minister for Energy and Anti-Energy, on his way down to the Antartic to get a thorough CAGW brainwashing from yet another climate loon junket?

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              David Maddison

              Will those results of this “Holy Grail” of ice cores be homogenised if they find it? I bet they WILL find it and the results WILL be homogenised!

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    PeterS

    I might be too optimistic but one thing I’m hoping for is after Trump becomes President he will declare a sort of war on the left. Then we shall see what happens here. If the tidal wave reaches us we should see the left seriously wounded if not destroyed much like communism was destroyed here when its political party closed down. First the Greens should disappear then the LNP has to transform to a centre-right party and the ALP will either have to be transformed to a beo-conservative party or become irrelevant. I know it sounds impossible but if it doesn’t happen then we can kiss goodbye to Australia both financially and socially. One thing is for sure. The current two major parties are leading this nation to destruction, and I am not exaggerating.

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      Manfred

      What we in the camp of rationality have lacked globally is an energetic focal counterpoint bereft of the fear, immune to intimidation and replete with ability. What I think may take place as a result of a Triumphant US administration is something I consider long overdue, namely the crystallization of clear and polarizing line of demarcation. One of the tools the eco-Left depend upon is the blurring of reality, the avoidance of rigorous detail or the engagement in debate. It becomes difficult to pin them down, to articulate anything other than the Green blancmange of social and economic vagary.

      The line of demarcation falls between a road to economic prosperity, the investment in a robust and resilient future, and perhaps above all, a capital investment in rational science and a divestment from spiritually and economically impoverishing climatism, that fear dependent unsustainable eco-doctrine of born again UN Marxists.

      The MSM have largely placed themselves on the sidelines where they incrementally parked themselves over the last two decades, their Soros sponsored Green wet dreams replaced by the nightmare of irrelevance. There is no return available for the traitorous Fourth Estate, at least not this generation. As for Christians in general and catholics in particular, the line of demarcation, that wall of rationality, will almost certainly divide the Church.

      The Politician and The Church have neglected their lessons in history, enthusiastically engaging across the aisle. Politicians have lent their shoulders to eco-indoctrination, while the Church has no qualms about embracing the eco-political stage.

      A Second Reformation is needed and it appears imminent.

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    Egor TheOne

    ‘The Donald’ seems to be making all the right moves so far!

    Much to the dismay of the Leftoids….A pleasure to observe the tortured faces of the knockers and doubters.

    This Tillerson if appointed is yet another example of a business competent as apposed to Ketch-Up King Kerry the flogger of CAGW BS!

    I see El Presidente O’Bummer trying to blame Putin for the election result.
    ‘Just blame it on the Russians’ and by extension any like Tillerson that would do business with the Russians.

    When ‘the Donald’ takes office he will be busy for the first hundred days just rescinding all the Imbecile in Chief’s Executive Orders at 10 per day to only cover most of the over 1000 he has made!

    Will Tillerson have to do similar with Kerry’s Bumbling’s and propaganda?

    Jan 20 cannot come quick enough!

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      John F. Hultquist

      You will have to wait the same length of time as this fellow:
      Temptation of Christ 40 & 40

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      David Maddison

      I think ***TRUMP*** said he was going to rescind all Obummer’s illegal executive orders on the first day.

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        Steven Fraser

        It could be done with an itemized Executive Memorandum, that references the ones to be affected. I’d use some discretion, though, which might take 1 week to get the lists together.

        That will be some series of press conferences and tweets.

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      Egor

      Would Kerry know anything about ketchup but aboutthe taste and the money?

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      Raven

      I see El Presidente O’Bummer trying to blame Putin for the election result.

      Yep, Russia done it . . . apparently.
      ‘Cos, dammit, the CIA said so . . and let’s face it, if anyone knows anything about toppling governments, it’s the CIA. ;)

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        Egor TheOne

        I wonder if they are still looking for those elusive weapons of mass destruction?

        Look no further, we’ve found them everywhere!

        They’re called ‘WindMills’…..weapons of mass economic destruction…..guaranteed to turn the lights out near you!

        Just ask South Australia….?

        Much more of a threat than ‘Russians hiding under the bed’ or supposedly trying to influence an election to keep the Clinton criminals out of the White House.

        What about the Saudi’s 25 million USD gift to Hitlary?

        Doesn’t that qualify as a foreign power trying to influence the US election?

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    David Maddison

    A little off topic but the video of Dr Tim Ball speaking to the Australian Environment Foundation (genuine evidence-based environmentalists, not Eco-Marxists) on 9th Nov 16 has just been released.

    https://youtu.be/leS4nBpFKTE

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      Steven Fraser

      And he is in Washington, today.

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        David Maddison

        I wonder if he’ll be meeting Trump?

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        Mark Fraser

        Presumably meet with Myron Ebell, the transition team guy, but they were both at another gathering last week, so who knows? I worry about the nasties in his home turf area, who are as intolerant and vicious as any (other) Soros-backed group.

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      Annie

      Thanks for that link David M. We were there and I’ve bookmarked it to hear it again. We were very pleased to hear Dr Ball that evening.

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      Egor TheOne

      Thanks D.M.

      Great presentation by Dr/Prof Tim Ball.

      Goes for about 1.5 hours odd, and well worth the watch.

      He covers all aspects to some degree within time restraints of the CAGW religion and propaganda thereof, of which it’s objective or endgame is world governance!

      ‘World Governance’by the ‘Unelected Nutters’……Who would have guessed?

      Simply put, CAGW is just the tool of implementation!

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    Ted O'Brien.

    Jo. If you never saw the cartoon “Li’l Abner”, by Al Capp, go looking for it. It ran a wonderful commentary on social issues as relevant to the US.
    His representation of big business was The Bullmoose Corporation. Chairman of the board was General Bullmoose. (General Motors was the world’s biggest company at the time.)
    At the commencement of every board meeting, the board chanted: “What’s good for General Bullmoose is good for the USA!”
    It looks like that is.what we are getting, and right now it should be good for us all.

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    Ruairi

    Alarmists, for years on the make,
    Got more than their slice of the cake,
    While the skeptics got nowt,
    For daring to out,
    The whole warmist movement as fake.

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    Dennis

    Let’s Make The World Great Again – photo of President Putin and President elect Trump on a billboard, English & Russian writing.

    The Australian today.

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    pat

    lengthy, read all. Calif waking up to reality:

    12 Dec: LA Times: Shelby Grad: The cost of California’s war on climate change
    The pain of going it alone
    Californians are likely to pay more for gasoline, electricity, food and new homes — and to feel their lives jolted in myriad other ways — because their state broadly expanded its war on climate change this summer. But with Donald Trump headed for the White House, Californians may find themselves making sacrifices while the residents of other states are missing in action.
    And now that Donald Trump, who has dismissed climate change, is headed for the White House, Californians may find themselves making sacrifices while the residents of other states are missing in action.
    Two key laws this summer kicked California’s climate change fight into high gear…DETAILS

    Before signing SB 32, Gov. Jerry Brown said he didn’t expect problems.
    “California is doing something no other state has done,” he said. “We are bringing into law real measures backed up by the real power of the state of California. It will take some balance that we don’t overdo it, but I am not afraid we are going to get to that point.”
    But nobody really knows what’s in store for the state…READ ON
    http://www.latimes.com/newsletters/la-me-ln-essential-california-20161212-story.html

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    pat

    I posted the wrong LA Times link, but with some excerpts from the correct link below:

    11 Dec: LA Times: California’s climate fight could be painful — especially on job and income growth
    By Ralph Vartabedian
    Californians are likely to pay more for gasoline, electricity, food and new homes — and to feel their lives jolted in myriad other ways — because their state broadly expanded its war on climate change this summer.
    The ambitious new goals will require complex regulations on an unprecedented scale, but were approved in Sacramento without a study of possible economic repercussions.
    Some of the nation’s top energy, housing and business experts say the effort may not only raise the cost of staples, but also slow the pace of job and income growth for millions of California families…

    And now that Donald Trump, who has dismissed climate change, is headed for the White House, Californians may find themselves making sacrifices while the residents of other states are missing in action.
    Two key laws this summer kicked California’s climate change fight into high gear…DETAILS ETC…READ ON
    http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-climate-fight-20161108-story.html

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      Graeme No.3

      pat:
      I feel that a return to the days of locking up the totally insane is overdue. For those who would complain that it violates their rights? need not be concerned as they will have the whole State of California to roam in. I suppose the result will be a TV show called Caliwankeration. Avoid it, the State, and the people living there lest they be contagious.

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    mind u, the LA Times Editorial Board is still pushing CAGW half-truths, deceptions & outright Fake News. read it all:

    12 Dec: LA Times Editorial: Despite Trump, there’s still hope for the climate a year after Paris
    Having acknowledged what virtually all RATIONAL?? observers already knew, the participants then promised to take specific steps to address those changes, which already are ??increasing sea levels, imperiling species, altering agricultural stability and setting the stage for mass human migration and even wars over basic needs in the years ahead. The Paris agreement came with nation-by-nation plans for curbing greenhouse gas emissions; the overall target was to limit global warming to no more than 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, though it is generally accepted that those national plans are insufficient to meet that goal and will need to be revised and tightened if they are to do so. The developed nations also pledged to bankroll an international Green Climate Fund to help poorer nations develop in an environmentally sustainable way…

    It was, as this page noted at the time, “a document built on hope” whose success depended on the signatories not only keeping their promises but agreeing to even more significant and painful terms in the future.
    So where are we a year later? On uncertain ground…
    …commitments from the developed world seem less reliable than they were a year ago. As is President Obama’s initial $3 billion pledge to the Green Climate Fund, which has an overall target of ***$100 billion by 2020…
    Consumers, too, have a crucial responsibility, from reducing their own personal energy use to pressuring governments and corporations to change. In that sense, the fight is just beginning, even if there will be an ostrich in the White House come Jan. 20.
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-climate-change-global-warming-trump-paris-20161212-story.html

    ***CAGW-infested/invested MSM rarely adds “ANNUALLY” to the GCF target of ***”$100 billion by 2020″ figure. wonder why?

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      Graeme No.3

      Well, the claim about mass migration is likely to be true, unless Texas builds a wall to stop Californian entering their State.
      The rest of the garbage is standard unproven BS emitted by the war mists for years. Tax the warmists I say.

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    toorightmate

    There is a lot of huffing and puffing about what Mr Tillerson may or may not have done or what he may think.

    Tillerson’s job has been to do what is best for Exxon.
    His new job will be to do what is best for USA.

    It is no more complicated than that.

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    I’ve tended to look on Big Oil as a bunch of pretend hippie/greenie/cuck surrender monkeys trying to use Big Green against my favourite substance (coal, duh). They are like the shipwrecked sailor who hopes the sharks will be too full of other sailors or that the sharks will eat him last.

    But I think I’ll make an exception for Rex. Not green, does not see Russians under the beds, and is viewed as a war criminal by the likes of Boiling Oceans Hansen and the Royal Society of Green Sharks. WW3 cancelled?

    Rex for POTUS 2024!

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    Leon0112

    Part of the reason that Trump won is that West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Ohio are all energy producing states that went to Trump due to Obama/Clinton’s war on fossil fuel jobs. Trump is committed to expanding US production of fossil fuels. This will hurt Russia, Saudi Arabia and Iran. This will help workers in Ohio and Pennsylvania. The idea that Putin preferred Trump seems odd at best.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      “seems odd at best”. Seems to me that talking peace and negotiation with Russia would beat threats of throwing nukes in any language.
      Cheers,
      Dave B

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    Bulldust

    If anyone needs an early week giggle, here is a piece in The SMHuffPo from the NYT in which Paul Krugman loses the plot (assuming he ever had it) completely:

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-tainted-election-20161212-gt9ncs.html

    Comedy gold! Would be a goldmine for conspiracy ideation, if only Lew would examine affairs on his side of the fence…

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      Egor TheOne

      According to the ‘Washington Compost’,is all that needs to be said !

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      Pravda on the Hudson is noted as the original publication.

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      Greg Cavanagh

      Surely not a word of that article is true.
      I do wonder if there is any sort of “accounting” for the truth in media, or do they get an open slather to state whatever pops into their minds with no repercussions whatsoever?

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        Graeme No.3

        Greg, I note that they spelled Krugman’s name correctly. About the only correct thing in the article.

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      Annie

      I don’t know about giggle; my anger at the untruths being put about by the likes of the SMH leave me simmering. Remember that bit about Satan being the ‘father of l!es’?

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    michael hart

    I wish someone would tie me to Exxon. Not that I deserve it, but I could provide a bank account sort-code to them if they were willing to sign up some “deniers” in exchange for the folding stuff.

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    pat

    updates:

    Trump will announce his choice tomorrow evening our time:

    12 Dec: Tweet: Donald J. Trump: I will be making my announcement on the next Secretary of State tomorrow morning.

    12 Dec: Mediaite: BREAKING: Romney Confirms He’s Out of the Running for Sec. of State
    Well, now Romney has confirmed in a Facebook post tonight that he is out of the running…

    time will tell.

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      toorightmate

      George Schultz was a very good Secretary of State.
      Everyone forgot where he came from – and it wasn’t from politics.

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    pat

    Hot weather: southeastern Australia swelters as Sydney braces for warmest night in 44 years
    The Australian – ‎2 hours ago‎

    12 Dec: CNN: ‘Polar Plunge’ ushers in coldest air of the season
    By Judson Jones and Azadeh Ansari
    Record-breaking wintry temperatures are gripping the eastern two-thirds of the country, signaling that this could be one of the coldest seasons in years.
    Across the United States, 76 locations have shattered their daily record cold high temperatures for December since the beginning of the month. That means some towns saw their coldest December day ever.
    The bad news is that it’s going to get even colder for the rest of the week. Below-freezing temperatures are expected for 7 percent of the country — in fact, most of the country will see the coldest air since last winter…
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/12/weather/weather-polar-plunge/index.html

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    pat

    good luck keeping the lights on:

    12 Dec: UK Express: Nathan Rao: SNOW BOMB: Wall of SNOW to SMASH UK as deadly blizzards hit in COLDEST freeze for 53 YEARS
    Violent and “deadly” Arctic storms will rage into the start of 2017 as thermometers nudge -20C triggering outbreaks of crippling snow…
    Piers Corbyn, forecaster for WeatherAction, said there is a 90-per cent chance of extreme snowfall across Scotland and the northeast this Christmas with between a 50 and 70-per cent chance elsewhere…
    Extreme weather at the end of November saw thermometers drop to -12C in parts of the country triggering a raft of health and severe weather warnings…
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/742699/Snow-UK-weather-forecast-coldest-winter

    PIC/VIDEOS: 10 Dec: Mashable: Maria Gallucci: Giant snowballs in Siberia might be connected to a frosty U.S. winter
    This Siberian snowball fight requires some serious upper body strength, and a helmet.
    Giant frozen orbs recently appeared along an 11-mile stretch of Siberian coastline. The largest of the naturally formed snowballs measured nearly 3 feet across, according to Russian news reports…
    http://www.aol.com/article/weather/2016/12/08/giant-snowballs-in-siberia-might-be-connected-to-a-frosty-u-s-w/21623214/

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    John F. Hultquist

    The costs of the anti-Trump marches are starting to come:
    http://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-anti-trump-protests-cost-over-377000-in-police-overtime

    There were 5 events with a total police overtime cost of $377,153.04.
    Costs to citizens is not in this tally, and will never be known.
    There were many such marches and so on in both smaller and larger places than Seattle.
    Opportunity cost and wealth destruction come to mind.
    The right to do such things exists in the US.

    The truly ironic thing is that Seattle folks overwhelmingly voted for Hillary and carried the State for her. 54.3% for Clinton and only 38.1% for Trump. Most of the smaller (eastern) counties went with Trump.

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    pat

    FakeNewsMSM reduces Trump’s opinions to a soundbite of their own imagination to make him (or anyone else) seem ridiculous:
    typical 11 December MSM headlines following Fox News/Chris Wallace interview with Trump:

    CNN: Trump: ‘Nobody really knows’ if climate change is real

    WaPo: Trump says ‘nobody really knows’ if climate change is real

    HuffPo: Donald Trump: ‘Nobody Really Knows’ If Climate Change Is Real (It Is)

    in reality, Fox’s Chris Wallace did not ask Trump any question with “climate change” or “global warming” or any other version of CAGW in it.

    but he played a clip from a Bill O’Reilly/Fox interview of 3 December 2015, during COP21 in Paris, so Trump knew exactly what he was being asked about.

    I consider his “nobody really knows” to be the simplest & best answer ever on CAGW by a politician, and I would recommend its use by so-called “climate scientists” FakeNewsMSM hacks, etc:

    11 Dec: Time: Mahita Gajanan: Read Donald Trump’s Fox News Interview on Russia, Climate Change and His Company’s Future (INCLUDES TRANSCRIPT OF TRUMP INTERVIEW ON FOX)
    TRUMP: … EPA, you can’t get things approved. People are waiting in line for 15 years before they get rejected, O.K.? That’s why people don’t want to invest in this country. I mean, you look at what’s going on — and you can look at a jobs report, but take a look at the real jobs report, which are the millions of people that gave up looking for work, and they’re not considered in that number that’s less than 5%. O.K.?…
    (FOX’S CHRIS) WALLACE: Let’s talk about the environment because in the last week, you met with Al Gore and you met with Leo DiCaprio, famous environmentalist.
    TRUMP: Sure. And they were good meetings.
    WALLACE: On the other hand, you appointed Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt to be head of the EPA.
    TRUMP: Sped up (ph) the process.
    WALLACE: He’s been suing EPA.
    TRUMP: Sure.
    WALLACE: At one point in the campaign, you said it’s a hoax.
    ***(BEGINS VIDEO CLIP FROM BILL O’REILLY INTERVIEW 3 DEC 2015 DURING COP21)
    TRUMP: Yes, I think it’s a big scam for a lot of people to make a lot of money. In the meantime, China is eating our lunch because they don’t partake in all of the rules and regulations that we do…
    (END VIDEO CLIP)
    WALLACE: On the other hand, you told the New York Times, you’re open-minded about it.
    TRUMP: I am open-minded.
    WALLACE: So, where are you on the environment?
    TRUMP: I’m still open-minded. ***Nobody really knows.
    I’ve — look, ***I’m somebody that gets it. And ***nobody really knows. It’s not something that’s so hard and fast.
    I do know this: other countries are eating our lunch. If you look at what China is doing, if you look at what — I could name country after country. You look at what’s happening in Mexico where our people — just our plants are being built. They don’t wait 10 years to get an approval to build a plant, O.K.? They build it, like, the following day or the following week…
    We can’t let all of these permits that take forever to get stop our jobs…
    I won because of the fact that people that are great, great American people have been forgotten. I call them the forgotten man and the forgotten woman. They’ve been forgotten.
    And you, in all fairness, and all of the folks in your world (MSM), and business, you forgot about these people. They’re not going to forget about them in four years. They’re already trying to figure out what happened. But I understood it because I understand our country.
    WALLACE: Let me ask you a couple specific questions. Will you still pull out of the Paris climate agreement… Will you restart the Dakota Access Pipeline, which the Army just stopped?
    TRUMP: O.K. Let me not answer the Dakota because perhaps that’ll be solved by the time I get there, so I don’t have to create enemies on one side or the other. But I will tell you when I get to office, if it’s not solved, I’ll have it solved very quickly.
    WALLACE: Meaning you’re going to start it?
    TRUMP: I’m not saying anything. I just say something will happen, and it’ll be quick. I think it’s very unfair. So, it’ll start one way or the other.
    WALLACE: And Paris?
    TRUMP: You’ll have a decision pretty quickly. And also, the Keystone Pipeline, you’re going to have a decision fairly quickly. And you’ll see that.
    Now, Paris, I’m studying. I do say this — I don’t want that agreement to put us at a competitive disadvantage with other countries. As you know, there are different times and different time limits on that agreement. I don’t want that to give China or other countries signing agreements an advantage over us…
    http://time.com/4597416/transcript-donald-trump-fox-interview/

    more to come.

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    pat

    clip from Wallace interview in the Time piece comes from the first four minutes of the following:

    VIDEO: 6mins26secs: 3 Dec: Fox News: Donald Trump on climate change policy
    GOP candidate analyzes the Paris conference on ‘The O’Reilly Factor’
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4645149613001/?#sp=show-clips

    for some reason, even knowing the date, the transcript for the above does not seem to be available in the O’Reilly transcript archives.
    however, paraphrasing:

    O’Reilly asked Trump specifically what he thought about the Global Warming Conference in Paris this week.
    Trump says “it’s ridiculous”.

    O’Reilly: Do you believe in global warming and climate change? Do you think the world’s going to change for the worse because it’s getting warmer?

    Trump: I think that they’ll be a little change here. It will go up, it’ll get a little cooler, it’ll get a little warmer like it always has for millions of years. It will get cooler, it’ll get warmer. It’s called weather. I do believe in — and I would say a lot of people don’t know this — I’ve received many environmental awards…for the work I do. And I believe strongly in clean water and clean air. But I don’t believe that what they say — I think it’s a big scam for a lot of people to make a lot of money.
    In the meantime, China is eating our lunch because they don’t partake in all the rules and regulations that we do.
    They are buying our coal. We’re not using our coal. They are buying our coal and they are using it & then they compete, because they are spending a lot less money to build their products. So I am a believer in clean air and clean water at the highest level.

    O’Reilly: if you were President, would you invest a lot of money in alternative energy to get away from fossil fuels & would you limit the amount of coal emissions and other industries into the air?

    Trump: I want to get away from the monopoly of the Middle East (oil). I want to be able to be self-sufficient for the country. speaks positively of fracking…
    I know a lot about wind – it’s killing the birds. the eagles. in California, if you shoot an eagle they put you in jail. the problem with wind is it needs tremendous subsidies.

    O’Reilly: Would you invest money in alternative fuels?

    Trump: Solar always sounds better than it is. u have a 36-year payback. trouble is the panels destroy themselves in ten years. We’ve got to make it
    eonomically viable. it isn’t economically viable at present.
    O’Reilly: If it were, somebody would be marketing it, that’s for sure.
    Trump: it has to be viable, yes.

    AND THE FAKENEWSMSM SIMPLY KEEPS REPEATING THAT THE DONALD THINKS “CLIMATE CHANGE” ISN’T REAL, OR “CLIMATE CHANGE” IS A HOAX. MSM IS DEAD.

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    Peter C

    TRUMP:.
    Now, Paris, I’m studying. I do say this — I don’t want that agreement to put us at a competitive disadvantage with other countries.

    If only Prime Minister Turbull could say that on our behalf!

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      Dennis

      He does not speak on our behalf, we are an inconvenient road bump.

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        el gordo

        Talcum exhibits policy on the run and the electorate grows uneasy, must be almost time for a coup.

        ‘Malcolm Turnbull’s approval rating has continued to slide, reaching its lowest level since he took over as prime minister, according to the latest Essential poll.

        ‘A total of 46% of voters disapproved of Turnbull, compared with 34% who approved of his performance.’

        Guardian

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    scaper...

    Has anyone here seen this…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLuBgZ1bgoY ???

    Very interesting.

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      Peter C

      Yes interesting, but I have no idea what Monckton is talking about.

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        AndyG55

        Unfortunately, LM is still very much a “lukewarmer”

        He still hasn’t figured out that CO2 can have ZERO warming effect in a convective controlled lower atmosphere.

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        Annie

        Peter, basically he is saying that the maths has an error that means that all the projections of runaway warming by the GCMs are totally wrong. He is a mathematician with the experience to have discovered the error, though it took 10 years!

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      Annie

      Yes, twice, also another longer interview, linked somewhere before. I thought it very interesting.

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      Will Janoschka

      Monckton is pointing out that the meteorologists have royaly screwed up! No part of Earth’s atmosphere absorbs EM flux power from the surface, at all. EMR, or thermal radiant power simply does not work in the manner claimed!!
      Surface exitance (outward power), at any frequency band, starts at very low levels but always increases with increasing altitude, all the way out to 200km. Earth’s atmosphere is what keeps the surface at lower livable temperatures, not the other way around! Such would cost not more that $500,000USD to repeatably demonstrate to any and all that wish to challenge!

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    el gordo

    If Donald closes up shop, Australia could be a big winner.

    ‘China also has a large amount of US debt, and China is also the largest export market for US agricultural products. If Trump makes irrational moves, China could take countermeasures in economic and trade areas, said Li Ruogu, former chairman of the Export-Import Bank of China.’

    China Daily

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      AndyG55

      I very much doubt that, when I comes to trade, Trump will make any irrational moves.

      Sure, maybe moves that China doesn’t like… but hardly irrational !!!

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        Ted O'Brien.

        I expect Trump to open up shop in ways our modern academies never even dreamt of. He is already doing this with his appointments.

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    pat

    wow…globalists’ dream…our nightmare.
    read it all:

    11 Nov: World Economic Forum: Welcome to 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better
    by Ida Auken, Member of Parliament, Parliament of Denmark
    Welcome to the year 2030. Welcome to my city – or should I say, “our city”. I don’t own anything. I don’t own a car. I don’t own a house. I don’t own any appliances or any clothes.
    It might seem odd to you, but it makes perfect sense for us in this city. Everything you considered a product, has now become a service. We have access to transportation, accommodation, food and all the things we need in our daily lives. One by one all these things became free, so it ended up not making sense for us to own much.
    First communication became digitized and free to everyone. Then, when clean energy became free, things started to move quickly. Transportation dropped dramatically in price. It made no sense for us to own cars anymore, because we could call a driverless vehicle or a flying car for longer journeys within minutes. We started transporting ourselves in a much more organized and coordinated way when public transport became easier, quicker and more convenient than the car…
    In our city we don’t pay any rent, because someone else is using our free space whenever we do not need it. My living room is used for business meetings when I am not there…
    All in all, it is a good life. Much better than the path we were on, where it became so clear that we could not continue with the same model of growth. We had all these terrible things happening: lifestyle diseases, climate change, the refugee crisis, environmental degradation, completely congested cities, water pollution, air pollution, social unrest and unemployment. We lost way too many people before we realised that we could do things differently.
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-really-remember-what-that-is/

    World Economic Forum: Leadership & Governance
    Board of Trustees includes:
    Mark Carney, Governor, Bank of England
    Al Gore
    Christine Lagarde etc
    https://www.weforum.org/about/leadership-and-governance

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      Mari C

      “Our City” – sounds like they’ve solved the problem of untidy people, college frat boy messes and children. I mean, if someone were to use my living room for a meeting, they’d be faced with whatever mess I decided I was too busy to deal with at the moment. Granted, in my case that’s usually a glass of water, a few Kleenex that missed the basket and maybe a pair of socks that crept under the couch to mate with the dust bunnies, but I used to clean and paint for a management company and have seen some striking messes – sometimes created in moments, in the space of time it took me to go get the drop cloths and paint after cleaning a huge mess all morning, when the college kids arrived, did whatever, and left before I returned

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    2 Dec: World Economic Forum: Thousands of world leaders will meet under one roof this January. Here’s how you can get involved
    by Mike Hanley, Head of Digital Communications, Member of the Executive Committee, World Economic Forum Geneva
    The World Economic Forum Annual Meeting 2017, taking place in Davos this January, comes at a critical time for global affairs. Now, more than ever, it is crucial for the global leaders in Davos to hear and respond to the diverse challenges faced by people across the globe…
    1. Preparing for the Fourth Industrial Revolution…
    2. Strengthening the governance of globalization and international collaboration…
    3. Revitalizing global economic growth…
    At the same time, billions of new jobs are needed to keep up with demographic changes over the next few decades, and we need to finance the UN’s Sustainable Development Goals and the global fight against climate change…
    4. Reforming market capitalism…
    5. Developing positive identities through new narratives: Globalization has made the world smaller and more complicated, and many have lost confidence in institutions, and even in their own future. How can we inspire optimism and trust in the future? …
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/12/davos-world-leaders-get-involved

    World Economic Forum Annual Meeting
    17-20 January 2017 Davos-Klosters, Switzerland

    Donald J. Trump Inauguration: January 20, 2017.

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      pat:
      Now that is the right approach, lure thousands of “world leaders” to Davos just when the temperature plunges and ignore them as they freeze. The survivors will make great TV watching the screen as Trump is inaugurated to bring the talkfest to an end.
      What a waste of money, but in accordance with Green PRACTICE money is transferred from the poorer citizens of the West to the richer denizens of Switzerland.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      Donald might send a postcard!

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      Annie

      Interesting that these people have their meeting in Davos in prime ski season time. They do try to organise meetings in some amazing places, don’t they? All at our expense I guess. :(

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    pat

    seems I got it wrong when I posted Trump’s tweet re SOS announcement. I should have said he would make his announcement tonight our time:

    13 Dec: Twitter: Donald J. Trump: I have chosen one of the truly great business leaders of the world, Rex Tillerson, Chairman and CEO of ExxonMobil, to be Secretary of State.
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808638507161882624

    FakeNewsMSM & CAGW scammers’ heads are exploding.

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    pat

    forget 44 years:

    Australian: Hot weather: southeastern Australia swelters as Sydney braces for warmest night in 44 years

    it’s now 150 years:

    Sydney set to swelter through the hottest night in 150 years
    Daily Telegraph – 5 hours ago
    SYDNEY is set to swelter through its hottest December night in almost 150 years as energy providers brace for extreme electricity consumption.

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      David Maddison

      Don’t worry. Australia has lots of windmills to blow the hot air away. Isn’t that what they’re for?

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      Annie

      Our very first Christmas in Australia was with friends in SYD. I found the climate then, in 1984, hot, humid and very uncomfortable. I decided then that it was no place for me to live! Sorry, Sydneysiders present. I can’t see that present conditions are so very different?

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    pat

    new tweet…and the replies are telling:

    13 Dec: Twitter: Donald J. Trump: The thing I like best about Rex Tillerson is that he has vast experience at dealing successfully with all types of foreign governments.
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808653723639697408

    from the replies –

    The Socialist Party: Your own words condemn you. It’s time for a socialist ‘revolution’ to replace the vile outdated capitalism you represent.

    Joe Scarborough (MSNBC): Rex Tillerson was recommended by Bob Gates and Condi Rice, and is a longtime friend of James Baker. Hardly the pedigree of a Putin stooge.

    BBC happy to boost Tillerson’s ***CAGW credentials! lol. warmonger McCain is all over the MSM. he’ll never forgive Putin for fighting ISIS:

    13 Dec: BBC: Trump picks Exxon chief Rex Tillerson for secretary of state
    The nomination needs Senate approval.
    Although he has no formal foreign policy experience, as Exxon chief Mr Tillerson oversees a company with 75,000 employees and business activities in more than 50 countries.
    He has warned of the ***”catastrophic” impact of unchecked climate change, although his company has been accused of deliberately misleading the public about the role of fossil fuels in global warming…
    Another Republican Senator John McCain expressed concern over Mr Tillerson’s links to Mr Putin but promised he would get a “fair hearing” in the Senate…
    Reacting to the nomination, Mr Putin’s foreign policy adviser, Yury Ushakov, said all Russian officials and not just the president enjoyed “good, businesslike relations” with Mr Tillerson.
    A Chinese foreign ministry spokesman said his country was “looking forward” to working with the nominee.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38301686

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    RAH

    We can already see that in the longer run it will not be the loony leftists that will be Trumps biggest headache when dealing with opposition and obstructionism of his stated agenda. It will be the Republican Party establishment. The likes of Keating 5 McCain, Lindsey Grahmnasty, and Paul Ryan are already making it clear that they aren’t going to cooperate. The only way to change that will be for the people through e-mails, demonstrations, and filling their phone lines with calls to put so much pressure on them that they break. For Trump to be most effective he will need the continued support of those that elected him and they will need to be as vocal as they have been at his rallies.

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    Mervyn

    PLEASE CHECK OUT THIS RECENT BREAKING NEWS FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA, BY LORD CHRISTOPHER MONCKTON, WHICH WILL SEE THE END OF THE CLIMATE CHANGE CON:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLuBgZ1bgoY

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    Mari C

    Found this gem
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/13/scientists-are-frantically-copying-u-s-climate-data-fearing-it-might-vanish-under-trump/

    And can’t help but to wonder if this includes the data they said doesn’t exist – the un-altered/adjusted data – or is just the funny numbers they’ve accumulated in their quest for dominance.

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    ianl8888

    From the update:

    Tillerson has apparently said some things lately that don’t sound at all skeptical, like saying we need to reduce emissions and sign up for Paris

    Before surprise is expressed about this sort of hypocrisy from “leading business figures”, account needs to be taken of the absolute surprise in most of the self-described “elites” at Trump’s win. They really didn’t expect that at all … not at all.

    So being slippy-slidy about AGW before the election was simply standard hypocritical chameleon behaviour, SOP, in the expectation of a Hillary win. I’ve seen that here in Aus so many times – “don’t upset those politicians, they have long memories”.

    No one from the “elites” believes the CAGW propaganda in its’ entirety – but they do know the political consequences of being publicly labelled as a “denier”.

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    John Garrett

    Rex Tillerson was preceded as CEO of ExxonMobil by Lee Raymond (not “Redmond” as stated in the Update)

    I love this blog.

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    Interesting thing about EXXON is that the Rockefeller’s lost control over this company a while ago, and fought to regain control but lost … then, right back a few months before the oil price nosedived, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund totally divested from their remaining stakes in EXXON (right before the oil price crash! Sound dodgy?), and came out in condemnation of EXXON’s role in creating global warming, even though the entire Rock.Bro. fortune was made on oil. It is the Rockefeller Brothers Foundation which has been central to much of the funding arrangements for CAGW propaganda funding – as WUWT has been covering pretty well in the past.

    Very interesting turn of events seeing as EXXON and Russia do in fact have large deal arrangements for polar circle field exploitation mostly in natural gas (which would be pumped via GazProm of course).

    I do hope Trump. Exxon and Russia help to bury the CAGW movement before it manages to pick up a true political inertia where critics can be literally suppressed even against their free speech.

    … here’s praying for a miracle come January 20th … fingers crossed.

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