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    Harry Passfield

    Wow! BBC really getting into reporting – ‘sensitively’ (of course) – HRC’s travails. Oh dear, what a shame. Hope she goes down. And takes her husband and a few others with her.

    Put it this way, if Trump wins and the powers that be have been seen to have swerved their duty on this he will not forget in a hurry. I figure there’s a lot of them now in ‘half-crown-sixpence’ mode, wondering how to play this field.

    BTW: My take on this is that Trump is, after all, an employer; a very successful employer. So he will know how to employ the right people in the right positions to get the US government working – and control his excesses. We live in hope. But I fear for the damage that Clinton and her ‘aids’ could have done to the West.

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      Harry Passfield

      PS: Anyone want to take bets that Obama will pardon the Clintons and their aides, as is his privilege when leaving office?

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        Graeme No.3

        He may pardon them but what if he didn’t? The Clintons would spend their time trying to avoid prison and would lose control of the Democrat machine, so Obama could become the respectable face of the Democrats. All he would have to do is fight off the Berny-ites.
        And there is the supposed bad blood between them, so it might be a good idea for him to have her discredited and become a scapegoat for some of the mistakes when he wa in office.

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          OriginalSteve

          But there is a sting in the tail – If Obama pardons the Clintons, he becomes tainted too.

          Common sense says that if you play with manure long enough, you eventually will smell like it too…..and it will rub off on you.

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            Rod Stuart

            “Tainted” is not the right word in my opinion.
            “Guilty as Sin” is far more appropriate.
            Barry and Michael will be moving to Dubai about the tenth of November or so.
            A President Trump will be demanding very thorough investigations on inauguration day.
            By the time he indicted and subpoenaed, Barry will be a resident of a country without an extradition treaty with the USA.
            Don’t be surprised if they orphan the kids. They are only props anyhow.

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            Rod Stuart

            Referring to Donald Trump, Clinton said:
            “If that f – – – ing bastard wins, we all hang from nooses! Lauer’s finished…and if I lose it’s all on your heads for screwing this up.”/blockquote>
            Why one Earth would Hillary be concerned with the gallows?

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        Rod Stuart

        Some reports contend that the Clintons are purchasing property in Qatar, the Obamas in Dubai, and the GW Bushes in Paraguay.
        The common denominator is that these countries have no extradition treaties with the USA.
        A President Trump would no doubt initiate extensive investigations, and given the extent of corruption in the establishment, who know who might be indicted int eh years ahead.

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        David Maddison

        I think a President can only pardon someone after they have been convicted. Given the amount of time a trial would take I doubt Clinton could be convicted befor Obama leaves office.

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      Dennis

      Our Minister for Foreign Affairs, and Deputy Leader of the Liberal (once conservative) Party was on ABC Radio this morning singing the praises of sister Hillary of the US Socialist Democrats.

      New world order must be very attractive to girlfriends.

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        Dennis

        Not long ago the Labor Deputy Leader said that she was all for a world with no (sovereign) borders too.

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          “Not long ago the Labor Deputy Leader said that she was all for a world with no (sovereign) borders too.”

          Just what may be a ‘sovereign border’ on the surface of this Earth’s quasi-sphere? Historically a ‘border’ is what you can claim/defend. A quasi-sphere needs an altitude for a non-sovereign border. Just what is the politically claimed no (sovereign) altitude?

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        clive

        We probably won’t have to worry about Turdbull for much longer.I’m sure the “Stick Insect”will have extracted her “Knives”out of Abbotts back and is probably looking for a new place to put them.
        Never turn your back on”She of the Long Knives”

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    Heck! Where is everyone?

    0.6° here at 0500. More to come.

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    Graeme No.3

    We seem to be approaching “the end of days” in the West, in that there is a vague but widespread wish for change. Democracy being less supported is one, and dangerous, sign that the general population is fed up with the ruling clique. The disengagement with the traditional political parties is another. It seems that it is becoming the age of the demagogue, referring not just to Trump but a series of right wing would be leaders across Europe, and Pauline in Australia.

    The political side of the ruling class have become fixed in their belief of their own superiority and cling to “the centre” so much that the parties are barely distinguishable and to the general public the various politicians seem to be interchangeable. But who defines “the centre”? It is the mass of left wing academics who train the future politicians, the inmates of the media and those who will enter the public service. They all move in the same social circles especially in Australia where they isolate themselves in Canberra away from “those awful bogans”. The method of ‘shouting down’ alternative viewpoints is so well known that it doesn’t need description, and is becoming more and more oppressive. Perhaps they sense that their days could be numbered and they are getting more determined to retain control all aspects of behaviour, or possibly it is just the bureaucratic attempts to limit the options so control is easier.

    Thus we see in Australia the repression using Section 18C, and the hysterical screams if someone dares to suggest that (man made) Climate Change is a manufactured nonsense. Anybody who has so much as queried the latter in public will know what I mean, and the constant present of trolls trying to portray those who post here as ignorant unscientific heretics is a reminder that our views are seen as dangerous. Why? Well the Renewables Industry faces potential disaster if people start asking why all that expense has not resulted in any reduction in emissions nor any change in the climate. The recent blackouts in South Australia may be the beginning of the end for them, as the move to reduce subsidies gains strength across Europe. Certainly the blackout has captured attention in many countries and has reinforced the previous warnings about the inadequacies of renewables. Will suggesting that renewables are a waste of money become part of the 18C clampdown?

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      ianl8888

      Will suggesting that renewables are a waste of money become part of the 18C clampdown?

      Yes, I’d wondered that.

      The most obvious way for this to happen is to have Triggs et al declare that “denial” (as defined by the HRC) is offensive and therefore proscribed from public discourse.

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        philthegeek

        Triggs et al declare that “denial” (as defined by the HRC) is offensive and therefore proscribed from public discourse.

        And just how would she do that under the Racial discrimination act? FFS,, this 18c hoo hah is just a self recycling confected outrage stunt for sad and grumpy RWers. If someone actually does a frivolous claim just hit them with costs and the lesson will be learnt pretty quickly. And you have to remember what started this. Bolt lost his case because he’s a crap journo / commentator who got things provably WRONG while making nast and unfounded comment about people. No implications for free speech.

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          bobl

          Bull,
          Bolt was the victim of an activist judge who took a couple of unrelated things out of context to say that Bolt was lying, then extrapolated this to his main argument. News Ltd. at that point decided for financial and publicity reasons not to appeal even though they had excellent prospects. In a way News Ltd hung Bolt out to dry. We are where we are because of that. If the Bolt action had failed the QUT case would never have been brought.
          For god’s sake, we can’t even talk about marriage without risking ourselves! And that’s at a time a vote might take place on it, exactly when we MUST be able to have a debate.
          In the end the Bolt, QUT and Leak cases prove 18c chills free speech and should for that reason be repealed

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          TdeF

          What is it with the Left and abuse?

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      James R McCown

      the hysterical screams if someone dares to suggest that (man made) Climate Change is a manufactured nonsense. Anybody who has so much as queried the latter in public will know what I mean

      I know exactly what you mean, Graeme.I got into an argument about AGW with a chap I know here in Oklahoma named Wil Tuggle Rogers (no relation to the comedian Will Rogers). He chewed me out for questioning the global warming dogma and told me to get with some climate scientist and learn about it. So, I laid out my reasons why I am skeptical of the theory and he realized that I know more about the subject than he does.

      So, upon learning that I am an atheist, he proceeded to attack me for that. So much for ‘liberal’ open-mindedness.

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    Harry Passfield

    This is worth viewing: Fox News and (ex-NYC Mayor) Giuliano on the 18 (EIGHTEEN!) laws that HRC has broken.

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    farmerbraun

    A bit of Jack Frost about in Godzone this morning. It’s been a while since the fireplace was in use at Xmas time. We’ll see.
    Cold weather stories could get really boring.
    On a positive note , the blowflies are off to a very slow start ; nice, since shearing weather has been fleeting to non-existent.

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    pat

    ABSOLUTE MUST-READ: Podesta, Sunrise, Adani, Greenpeace, GetUp, Sandler, Soros, CAP, 350.org, Kidman ranch and more:

    29 Oct: Daily Telegaph: Miranda Devine: Foreign-funded green groups could take whole swathes of Australia out of the productive economy
    Hillary Clinton and Julia Gillard have a lot in common — and it’s not just the ladylike shoes and matching pearl earrings
    The other thing the two ladies have in common is the Clinton Foundation, which Wikileaks emails now show is an influence-peddling political slush fund.
    And guess which country was one of its biggest donors? Australia. Yep, we’re up there with Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
    The Australian taxpayer shovelled at least $88 million into the Clinton Foundation and associated entities from 2006 to 2014, reaching a peak of $10.3 million in 2012-13, Gillard’s last year in office.
    On the Clinton Foundation website, AusAID and the Commonwealth of Australia score separate entries in the $10 million-plus group of donors, one rung up from American teacher unions.
    In 2009-10 Kevin Rudd handed over another $10 million to the foundation for climate research, part of $300 million he squandered on a Global Carbon Capture and Storage Institute.
    Gillard also donated $300 million of our money to the Clinton-affiliated Global Partnership for Education.
    Lo and behold, she became chairman in 2014 and has been ­ actively promoting Clinton as president ever since — in a campaign video last December slamming Trump, in opeds trumpeting the next woman president and in appearances with Clinton spruiking girls’ education.
    The Abbott government topped up the left-wing organisation’s coffers with another $140 million in 2014, bringing total Australian largesse to $460 million, according to a press release from Foreign Minister Julie Bishop.
    And yet, apart from the beautiful friendship with Gillard, what did Australia get from the Clintons for all that cash?A whole lot of trouble is what…READ ALL
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/miranda-devine-foreignfunded-green-groups-could-take-whole-swathes-of-australia-out-of-the-productive-economy/news-story/016e5d9ff252f2444790d05269f4ed90

    Australians should be outside Parliament House protesting.

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      toorightmate

      Michael Smith has done an excellent job of unravelling the workings of the Clinton Foundation.
      It is money laundering at it’s best.
      It hurts me to know that some of my money has found it’s way into Hillary and Bill’s pockets.
      It is also another good reason why NOT to donate money to charities. Especially those purporting to assist disasters (eg Haiti).

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        clive

        It seems that there is a sum of money,which was to go to Haiti amounting to some say 6 Billion US dollars for relief after the “Earthquake”in 2010?Why is this not surprising?

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    Mark M

    Settled Science. UPDATE:

    Monkeys create stone tools forcing scientists to rethink human evolution

    “The path of human evolution may need to be rewritten after archaeologists discovered that monkeys also produce ‘tool-like flakes’ that were thought to be uniquely man-made.

    In a discovery that calls into question decades of research, a band of wild bearded capuchin monkeys in Brazil were seen hammering rocks to extract minerals, causing large flakes to fly off.

    Previously archaeologists believed the flakes were only made by humans through a process called ‘stone-knapping’ where a larger rock is hammered with another stone to produce sharp blade-like slivers which can be used for arrows, spears or knives.”
    . . .
    Genuine science is never ‘settled’.

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    Peter C

    Has anyone seen any material provided to Malcolm Roberts in his briefing by the CSIRO on 26 Sep 2016?

    Has the Chief Scientist, Alan Finkel, provided his written advice on the reasoning and objective observations supporting his statement to the Senate Estimates hearing on 21 Oct 2016?

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      toorightmate

      No doubt there will be a small group of about 500 public serpents working on the “advice”. But the wheels of government turn slowly – unless it’s a vote for parliamentary salary increases.

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      ianl8888

      It is up to Roberts to release that material into the public domain, unexpurgated.

      I suspect, though, that Roberts himself will have only his own hand-written notes from that airport “presentation”. A PDF or PowerPoint file supplied by the CSIRO seems unlikely. But if it exists, then Roberts is integrity-bound to release ALL OF IT to the public.

      And the problem with that is we, Mug Q Public, have no way of verifying that any release which may occur is in fact complete, that is, without bits being quietly censored.

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        Peter C

        Malcolm Roberts has written many letters to the BOM and CSIRO requesting information about their view of Climate Change. I doubt if he would be satisfied with a verbal briefing. He said he would consider the information that they had provided.

        He asked Alan Finkel for his explanation in writing.

        Foolish commentators have said that Finkel gave Roberts a lesson on Climate Change. The reverse may occur when Roberts has the information (or lack of it) that he has been seeking for a long time.

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          PeterPetrum

          Fincle’s “explanation” to Roberts of how “global warming” works.

          “The sun sends down ultra-violet rays that warm the earth and the earth sends up infra-red rays that are trapped by the CO2 and that is what warms the atmosphere and causes global warming”

          He obviously had such a “good grasp” on the science of this that Roberts just nodded politely and asked him to put the empiricle evidence in writing to him in order to support what he just said. Fincle just smiled sarcastically and said he “would try”.

          Roberts has now got information from the CSIRO, the BoM and, eventually, the Chief Scientist. He will then use that to tear them apart and show that there is no empiricle evidence of a relationship between anthropogenic CO2 and atmospheric temperature variations. Can’t wait!

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    Another Ian

    Definitely worse than they thought!

    ” ‘All the Wild Animals Are Going Extinct’ Says WWF. Yeah, Right. And I’m a Giant Panda”

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/29/animals-going-extinct-says-wwf-yeah-right/

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    Robert Rosicka

    Anyone care to guess what the WWF does when they have too many tigers or elephants in one of their many reserves , here’s a tip it doesn’t end well for the surplus animals .

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    Go on then, you tell me if this has any chance whatsoever of being implemented.

    Look at the diagram at this link. Open it in a new window and scroll back here while I explain it for you.

    This is the proposal for Queensland to move to a 50% Renewables by 2030.

    Okay then, look at the right hand columns, three of them, under the title Capacity in MW.

    At the top, Small scale is Rooftop Solar power and Large scale is existing power plants. Note the total there of 2200MW. That’s the total Nameplate right now for renewables in Queensland.

    The next line down shows Small scale (2016-2030) and the total there is 3400MW. (Nameplate) That is NEW rooftop solar, and keep in mind here that the generous feed in tariffs have been removed, making it less likely that people will install ne rooftop solar, but hey, the Government says they will make public schools install them, all at Government expense you know. Maybe, just maybe they might actually achieve that, but I doubt it really.

    Next line down is the Qld portion of the RET, and that’s new large scale plants, delivering before 2020, so that’s 4 years away, and there is currently nothing planned, so that’s a pretty big assumption. The total there comes in at 2900MW (Nameplate) and note here that some of it is is within Qld and some of it is outside Qld. (Huh! How does that work? The plant is in another State and yet it counts towards Qld’s total.)

    Next line down, between 2020and 2030, new large scale renewable plants. That total comes in at 5500MW. (Nameplate)

    So, the total for ALL NEW renewables comes in at 11,800MW (Nameplate) and that’s around triple or more of existing renewable power across the WHOLE of Australia. (Wind and Solar Power only here, you know, the renewables of choice.)

    The left hand side deals with actual power being generated, and that comes in at 29900GWH, and, as they show there, this is their claimed 50% of generated power. They quote a Capacity Factor (CF) for all Solar of around 16%, and okay, while it is currently around 13%, I’ll give them the extra because it’s Qld, you know beautiful one day, sunny the next, and the next, and the next. They quote wind power CF of 35% and the Qld profile for wind is considerably less than for South Australia, and SA barely manages 30%.

    However, if that 29,800GWH is 50%, that leaves the remaining 30,000GWH from Thermal Power. Coal fired power is currently delivering around 45,000GWH and when you add on gas fired power (also Thermal Power) that total is now 55,000TWH, a full 25000GWH higher than the total they claim to have in place by 2030.

    Now, take this link (pdf document of two pages) and scroll right to the bottom, and note there that they do not plan to close any coal fired plants at all. It was mentioned at the meeting I attended that they might just close some of the Units at each of the existing 8200MW (Nameplate) coal fired plant, but if they were doing that, then that line where it says ZERO MW closed would indicate something at least. It was also waved off that the excess power would be sold into NSW. (What! Why would they need it when that State would have their own plan in place surely) and that’s going to be around 20,000 Plus GWH, so, umm, good luck with that.

    This has ZERO chance of being implemented, and there’s no mention anywhere that any and all renewables have a lifespan of barely 15 to 25 years at best, so that construction would need to continue at virtually the same pace after 2030.

    There is not even thought bubbles for any new plants in Queensland, and you can bet this plan will just be lapped up like you would not believe. But hey, WHEN it doesn’t even get close by 2030, you can bet they’ll just blame it on, well, why not, Campbell Newman. Everything else is his fault, so why not this too, eh.

    Please excuse my cynicism.

    Tony.

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      Graeme No.3

      Tony,
      they can’t shut down any coal fired anymore than they can in Germany. Try the following (there was something similar on NoTricksZone)

      https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-co2-emissions-rise-2015-despite-renewables-surge

      No change in emissions despite all that ‘investment’ in renewables. And Germany has no shortage of interconnectors and access to hydro for storage. In fact they have been able to dump so much surplus wind electricity on neighbouring countries at low prices that they are installing equipment to stop it (not just Poland and the Czech Rep. but France and the Netherlands). The dumping of subsidised wind electricity at low prices has driven the lower emission but higher cost methods (pumped storage, CCGT, even hydro suffere) out of the market. Almost new CCGT gas plants are being demolished to go to countries like Turkey. With that happening you can see why the UK can’t get anybody to invest in new CCGT gas plants there. What with coal fired plants shutting down and a likely reduction in the supply of nuclear from France the UK may join SA in blackouts early next year, when both are in their period of peak demand.

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      ghl

      Outside Australia means Al Gore’s hip pocket. O.S. purchased RETs

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      Andrew McRae

      Hey Tony,

      if that 29,800GWH is 50%, that leaves the remaining 30,000GWH from Thermal Power. Coal fired power is currently delivering around 45,000GWH and when you add on gas fired power (also Thermal Power) that total is now 55,000GWh, a full 25000GWH higher than the total they claim to have in place by 2030.

      Firstly, the T key is next to the G key so the accidental TWH instead of GWh is an easy typo to make. (fixed it for you)

      Secondly, it is surely more than random chance that the amount of Thermal (aka reliable) actual generation that will still be in place in 2030 absent any closures and in excess of what’s required by the renewables generation ratio target is almost equal to the amount of new renewables generation planned to be built. Is this Qld Gov’s tacit admission of the truth of the rule-of-thumb that however much renewable power you add you still need just as much extra reliable power held in reserve to take over when the wind stops or turbines auto-tether?
      There will be no thermal closures if they’ve learned anything from S.A.’s September debacle.

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        Thanks for the proof reading there Andrew.

        Sometimes I miss even the obvious.

        I mentioned the lack of coal fired plant closure at the meeting, and the subject was changed quite quickly, with a brush off point about excess being sold into NSW.

        There’s no way on Earth that they will mention the most likely reason those plants will not be closed.

        When they commission the plant at opening, there is rock solid knowledge that they will last for (around) 40 to 50 years, and the costs are factored into that lifespan as a return on the sale of electricity for X number of years, and that is contracted into the legal documents at the time of commissioning.

        Those Queensland plants are the youngest in the Country and all of them will have rock solid contracts lasting a long long time.

        Things like that would have been thoroughly checked out with no possibility of an exit from those contracts, and please, oh please, when you make your final report, DO NOT even mention this. Waffle around with something else, like saying they are the cleanest (less CO2 emissions) coal fired plants in the Country, and anyway, no one in the general public knows anything at all about any of this, so they won’t even bother to even ask why.

        Tony.

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          Analitik

          You should have asked about Figure 39 from the report in which the 3rd column shows Qld (2030 projected with target) with coal still forming 55% of the generation mix and gas 5%. That shows Queensland may generate 50% of the electricity for internal demand with renewables but the coal plants are required to export 18% of their output. Presumably, this is due to ramping limits as stability shouldn’t be an issue with so much synchronous generation capacity staying online.

          Will NSW need or want that much? Or will Queensland build an interconnector to South Australia to help spread the pain renewable benefits?

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            Analitik,

            at the meeting, I specifically asked that exact question in reference to that Figure 39.

            The look I received from the Panel Member sent to indoctrinate the masses engage with the regions was one of absolute disbelief, that their own diagram showed exactly that. I could see the cogs in his brain ticking over as he saw that glaring error, and he finally explained it away with all that extra (Thermal) power was going to be sold into NSW via an Interchange. (That’s 6,000GWH of power. Melt that Interchange in seconds.)

            He had absolutely no idea whatsoever.

            Then he immediately got the Moderator to ask for the next slide.

            It was just so blatant.

            Tony.

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              Analitik

              Given the “expertise” of the panel, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.

              Roll on the SA blackouts. I’m still hoping they will take notice with the upcoming South Australian blackouts before too much damage gets done to our states.

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      OriginalSteve

      Tony, well know community organizer ( Communist ) Saul Alynski used to say “the issue isn’t the issue” , by this I mean the issue of the day was just the carrier frequency, the real message was carried by it, like using a needle to insert a dangerous poison inside a human.

      The renewables is the mechanism to take down our civilisation. I recall once reading about occultists who wanted to crash our civilisation but were prepared to do it forcibly if required to protect their occult “gaia goddess”. This is a religious war as much as anything else, which is also why Christianity is being relentlessly attacked through “marriage equality” etc to try and neutralize it, as the occults know its the most potent bulwark against them.

      Don’t expect pollies to listen – they seem to be part of the “take down” team, which is why they seem to be making zombie-like decisions. If they are pushing for renewables, you can be pretty sure they are globalists, as any govt would have the resources to know that renewables are economic suicide.

      Ergo, this needs to be fought on basis of reasoning and engineering – any other method falls into politics and is easily corrupted.

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      clive

      We don’t call her “Pallachook”for nothing,Tony.

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    crakar24

    Relax crisis averted, when your sceptic friends hit you with uncomfortable facts here’s how you wriggle out of the mess you are in courtesy of the adelalde advertiser.

    South Australia, you’re hot then your cold but our slow start to sunshine and warm weather seems to be just an illusion because Adelaide’s October temps are just 1.3c short of the monthly average.

    So a few tips re write recent history as in it has not been hot and cold…..just damn cold and then play down the results.

    Hope these tips help you continue to view co2 as the devil reincarnated

    Regards

    Crakar24

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    crakar24

    Math check please…..

    A 5324 panel solar array produces 1.4mwh ergo 1.4 * 5 * 365 equals approximately 2 gw per annum not 2 gwh per annum which would equate to Tera watts per annum…yes?

    Of course not many of the panels face north, most are not at the correct angle of incidence, no beggar will be employed to clean them so the *5 multiplier for sun availability will most likely drop to around two….oh and no battery back up so symbolism at its worst.

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    Bob

    I just want to alert readers to Miranda Devine’s piece in the Daily Telegraph today: Foreign-funded green groups could take whole swathes of Australia out of the productive economy, especially the second part of it. It also touches on connection between Green groups and upcoming referendum on indigenous recognition, how it is driven and what the consequences would be.
    These are topics that should be widely publicised and even more widely discussed IMHO.

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    el gordo

    Another cold air outbreak (CAO).

    ‘The cold front generating these winds is unusually intense for this time of year. It has been the strongest October wind in eight years at Cleve (98 km/h), seven years at Parawa (78 km/h) and three years at Kingscote (80 km/h), Cape Jaffa (83 km/h), Portland (87 km/h) and Casterton (74 km/h).’

    Weatherzone

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    toorightmate

    Sunday afternoon news bulletin heading – “Severe Weather to Lash Victoria”.

    Which translates to – “It’s going to be windy”.

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    Analitik

    Turnbull is getting desperate and has banned any further asylum to boat people to placate conservatives and minimise the One Nation effect (even as he caves in to their platform).
    He really doesn’t have a spine (which is good for us, I guess).

    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2016/10/30/govt-pushes-to-ban-refugees-from-visiting-1.html

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    Dennis

    Has anybody researched how much money is invested in Australian renewable energy (so called) projects by union superannuation funds?

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      “superannuation”?
      Is that a pension? Payback for what an individual contributes for own retirement? Cannot such ‘funds’ keep up with “inflation”, the price of one pair of men’s dress shoes, that require the same physical effort to produce as was in 1920. Workers need no charity.
      All the best! -will-

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      Lewis P Buckingham

      No but I read the HESTA annual report.
      It would seem that divestment of coal fired energy supply is not the actual process.
      One would think that it were from the rhetoric.
      The investments are to be made in energy that will give a return.
      That still would mean state and consumer subsidised Green power.
      However it leaves the door open to existing investments in energy that give returns.
      AS government make coal more uneconomic by taxes they will divest.
      This leaves open gas and nuclear, if it were to eventuate.
      HESTA returns have flatlined for 6 months.
      I think they have a problem if their investment decisions are placed on such rocky foundations.
      Not that I am giving anyone advice.

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      Analitik

      Good question. The same needs to be asked for ME Bank (formerly Members Equity and the bank financed by the industry super funds)
      https://www.mebank.com.au/media-articles/me-pledges-to-avoid-fossil-fuel-investments,-5-june-2015/

      Then there is Bank Australia which was formed from the Victorian teachers union credit union
      https://bankaust.com.au/about-us/news/planet/melbourne-renewable-energy-project-update/
      I wonder how their tenders are going?

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    Another Ian

    Jo

    A maybe useful word

    “I started using THIS word to drive the mainstream media nuts”

    “I saw the word “Lugenpresse” for the first time a few weeks ago. It’s a German word that literally translated means “Lying Press.” As in, the lying media.”

    http://www.therebel.media/ezra_levant_october_27

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    David Maddison

    I hadn’t thought about the process of how steam boiler tubes are sealed to the tube plate in my entire life until my discussion today with the owner of a traction engine who took me for a ride on his machine. Interesting.

    How the boiler tube ends are sealed: https://youtu.be/u7UQKNapTBE

    I visited this place. http://www.melbournesteam.com.au/

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    Rocky

    Some Good News. Inland Rail Project is moving ahead with consultation for route. Build to be completed in 2024. Will take 100 B Doubles off the road for each train. http://inlandrail.artc.com.au/

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    Robert Rosicka

    Not sure if I read it here but their ABC is bashing a story about rising sea levels in Victoria destroying a beach somewhere near Melbourne , I hope it’s not the same beach that has suffered since the bay was dredged .

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    Andrew McRae

    Yet another case of retrospective legislation from the Fiberal party.

    The new law would cover those who tried to reach Australia by boat from mid-July 2013, and would block them from obtaining any visa, including tourist and business visas.

    Penalties should be those in force at the time of the offence.

    I guess there will be less kickback about asylum seekers than superannuation holders.

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    Roy Hogue

    The great over population scare prompting so many of the self righteous who are so concerned about mankind overrunning the Earth has finally come to the big screen — IMAX in fact (not 3D or maybe we caught the wrong version of it?).

    If you haven’t seen INFERNO I heartily recommend it. Produced by Ron Howard is a guarantee of top notch material and he delivers a good cliffhanger based on a madman’s plot that must be foiled before it can be set in motion. It keeps you on the edge of your seat right down to the last minute and you’ll be trying to figure out who the good and the bad guys are until near the end. I won’t give it away but I’ll say this. From the way it started I said, “Oh no! Not again,” but it went in an entirely different direction and by the end I had a whole different opinion of the producer’s intentions.

    One of the best things about it is that the violence is minimal and what there is fits and is necessary to the story. Sex also but again, at least it fits with the story. Actually tastefully done as well. I would not take your young children to see it though.

    Tom Hanks in the lead role is another guarantee of top notch material. He does not take on garbage scripts the way some other top notch actors have. I think you’ll enjoy it.

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    Roy Hogue

    I just saw this. It’s misbehaving for me, refreshing the page every few seconds and I don’t know why. Verizon has been this way off and on for 2 or 3 weeks now. But if you read just the headline it will anger you no end.

    Payments Promised Town Residents If Voters OK Wind Project

    Here’s one that works.

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    peter

    In a recent on-line debate I had with one of the ‘true believers’ and a ‘defender of the faith’, he stated:

    “You want me to pick out one piece of data from a 1550 page of report (AR5) and have a discussion about that. Climate science is like a 5000 piece jigsaw puzzle. Examining just one or two pieces of the puzzle will tell us nothing about what the final picture will look like.”

    I replied:

    “If climate science is a jigsaw puzzle then, as is normal in science, you can look at each puzzle piece on its own. You can then check or test each piece for validity. If as has been found to be the case many of those pieces are found to be in error, exaggerated or just plain wrong, they will not fit. The puzzle will not go together as predicted and the puzzle is wrong! Thank you for the perfect analogy for the climate change theory.”

    This same person posted websites claiming the troposphere hotspot has been found and NOT debunked by Jo Nova at all. And it was stated that the hotspot is not essential in the models and stratosphere cooling is more important anyway. Really? And has stratosphere cooling actually happened? What is the current credibility status of the hotspot?

    Does anybody know?

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      Andrew McRae

      There are objections at two levels of the hotspot theory.

      Firstly the theory says that increasing radiative gases will increase the LWIR opacity of the atmosphere which should alter the radiative warming rates at different altitudes such that the uppermost layers can radiate heat away from the earth more effectively and the lowermost layers can absorb and back-radiate more effectively. This leads to stratospheric cooling and tropospheric warming, in theory.
      The weather balloon data, as displayed on Jo’s pages tagged as “Missing Hot Spot”, shows that those two phenomenon actually happened. Look at them and check what the colour scales mean.

      The models most prominently used by the IPCC as the basis of a “human fingerprint” on climate had hindcast a particular warming rate for the lower troposphere, and that tropospheric warming would be particularly strong near the equator (i.e. a tropical tropospheric hotspot).
      So the first objection to the greenhouse doom is that measurements showed vertical greenhouse amplification rates almost three times less than what was predicted, and a surface warming rate almost half of the prediction, which were both large discrepancies. Further they show that the warming was not a “hotspot” tightly localised to the tropics but was more blurry and spread out (to the resolution of the data anyhow).
      That’s the first level of empirical objection. The warmists had to retreat from their earlier claim that the hotspot specifically was the fingerprint, and had to invent excuses as to why the actual surface warming rate was only half (e.g. Trenberth’s Travesty).

      The second level of objection is to the necessity of human causation in this scenario. The vertical pattern of warming and cooling will occur from an increase in radiative gases regardless of what causes that increase. Remembering the most populous “GHG” is water vapour, any increase in surface temperature from a primary and natural cause should increase the specific humidity and therefore the “GHG” concentration. So even if the hotspot had been seen exactly as predicted, it is not clear as to why it should logically follow that industrial CO2 is the only (or even the main) cause of it. That is the second level of objection and it is more logical than empirical.

      Of course I now face the risk of being tarred and feathered and run out of Jo-town for even delicately and tentatively suggesting that the poorly-named Greenhouse theory has empirical support on Jo’s web site, so I shall bid you a hasty farewell.

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        Andrew McRae

        Errm, correction to above… answering my own rhetorical question…
        The tropospheric warming is not a fingerprint of industrial causation because water vapour could explain it, but the stratospheric cooling is a fingerprint because water vapour usually condenses into clouds before it can get as high as the stratosphere, whereas CO2 does not. So only extra CO2 and ozone can increase the radiative cooling of the upper atmosphere.

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    Analitik

    Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews will personally head a taskforce to plan for the Latrobe Valley’s future after the likely closure of the Hazelwood coal-fired power station

    Getting popcorn ready now…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-31/hazelwood-closure-daniel-andrews-to-head-taskforce/7979204

    South Australians, get some more jerry cans to feed the gennie.

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    clipe

    Posting at 21:01 EDT

    timeanddate.com thinks I’m in Wichita, Kansas.

    AOL Broadband Canada does that.

    Looking at jonova time stamps, there’s a 30 minute offset. Has Newfoundland drifted south?

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    clipe

    Posting at 21:01 EDT

    timeanddate.com thinks I’m in Wichita, Kansas.

    AOL Broadband Canada does that.

    Looking at jonova time stamps, there’s a 30 minute offset. Has Newfoundland drifted south?

    Oh, wasn’t there a power failure in Adelaide recently? that explains it.

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    el gordo

    Climate Change in the Southern Hemisphere

    28 Oct 2016 – Following a 3rd consecutive extratropical cyclone during spring time (a ‘cool hurricane’ formed from polar jet streams) with winds comparable to a F1-class hurricane (150kph), the temperatures in the south of Brazil have reached 0ºC at the end of October. Beaches from Uruguay and south of Brazil have suffered huge damage from the storm surge.

    From the site of ‘O Globo’ newspaper

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    Dave

    This Survey is amazing

    They are targeting Farmers to act against Climate Change
    And some Solar Panel Battery company is offering prizes of $15 Grand!

    https://www.surveymonkey.net/r/farmers_survey

    All in all it’s just Survey Monkey stuff, but the results with this inducement will be used by the Green Screamers to justify that farmers are being affected by this religious cult belief!

    Every single question is biased to the hilt!

    What a sad world we live in where these turkeys get their jollies of giving away prizes to get survey results they need as a invested parasitic lobby group

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      Annie

      I started filling it in just for the hell of it. Unfortunately a question well into it didn’t give me the chance to say no and I was not going to tick any of the available options in that section. Earlier it was possible to put in my own refusals and make comments that indicate that I disagree with their premise that ‘Climate Change’ is happening.

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    richard verney

    One of the most concerning points that is not making MSM is that Clinton’s right hand woman, Huma Abedin appears to have close links to banned terr0rist organisations, and her family’s business (and she may not be employed in the business) appears to have been funded by the same Saudi person who the USA alleges funded the 9/11 hyjackers.

    Further it appears that Huma Abedin’s mother holds extreme views regularly exhorting that women should engage in vi0lent jih@d.

    Of course, I do not know the truth of all this but if true then I cannot see how Huma Abedin can be regarded as a fit and proper person to be associated with the Secretary of State, still less with the President. HRC’s attachment to ‘that woman’ appears to be an example of her poor judgment.

    There appears to be much murkiness that needs to be investigated and exposed by MSM. However, with MSM in HRC’s pocket, there is not much prospect of that happening.

    Clinton, if elected, within months will end up as a lame President.

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    el gordo

    Shocking discovery: Rainbow lorikeets not vegan.

    “This is something that has shocked people around the world, people initially like myself just refused to believe it and said it can’t possibly be true.

    “It’s really opened up some eyes and some avenues for further research.

    “It turns out to be really common and really widespread and a lot of people like myself are a bit alarmed, we’d really like to know a lot more about the possible implications.”

    Professor Jones / ABC

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    el gordo

    The tide has turned, thanks to a change in the weather.

    ‘The good news is that, outside the ABC, State of the Climate didn’t get the big media run you’d have expected only a few years ago.

    ‘Maybe that’s because it’s hard to worry about man-made global warming when Victoria has just suffered an unusually cold October. Or when the world just harvested its biggest grain crop on record.

    ‘But maybe it’s also because Australians have wised up. Last month, even a Climate Institute survey admitted only 30 per cent now believed the world was warming and humans were mostly to blame.’

    Andrew Bolt / Herald Sun

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