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Depressed Climate Scientists advised to use F-word

What do you get when you believe a failed theory? Climate Depression

Instead of being a bad thing, climate depression is a normal healthy response when the data doesn’t match the theory. Either the theory has to change or the scientist has to stop pretending to be a scientist. Too bad there is a whole industry of depressed “journalists” propping up depressed scientists. They award them with pretend Nobel Prizes they don’t really have, and extend their pain and confusion by making out that researchers on good salaries who produce models that don’t work are the victims.

Naturally, those who don’t understand climate reality don’t have a grip on psychological reality either. Their fantasy-world is collapsing.

As Tony Thomas says — it’s so bad it’s beyond satire:

Reporter Madeleine Thomas (no relation), writing for Grist, has described how climate scientists are driving themselves into depressed states over their climate forecasts. One solution she suggests is that relieve their incredible stress by shouting out “F—k!” and other dirty words*.

My message to depressed scientists is to wake up and see through the weak excuses. Stuff like Madeleine Thomas’ Grist wailing:

And a dose of honesty may be more than just therapeutic. Some real talk about how we’re all screwed may be just what the climate movement needs.

Oh yessity yes. Honesty is needed, but lets start with honesty about the data. In science, any other kind of honesty is a waste of time if we don’t first have data honesty.

Back in March, Grist’s Brentin Mock wrote that in order to really drive home the urgency of global warming and not just view “climate change only as that thing that happened one year on television to those poor communities in Brooklyn,” maybe it’s OK, when appropriate, to ditch a very limited “just the facts” vocabulary in favor of more emotional language. In other words, he argues that scientists should start dropping F bombs. “Forgive my language here, but if scientists are looking for a clearer language to express the urgency of climate change, there’s no clearer word that expresses that urgency than FUCK,” Mock writes. “We need scientists to speak more of these non-hard science truths, no matter how inconvenient or how dirty.”

If you think the answer to your science problem is swearing out loud, it’s time to get out science.

If you are a science writer, quit. Gossip magazines need you.

Climate deniers aren’t going away anytime soon.

If you have to resort to namecalling, and can’t define your terms in English (who denies there is climate?), there’s a message in that. You’ve picked the wrong career.

h/t To Tony Thomas

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164 comments to Depressed Climate Scientists advised to use F-word

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    Graeme No.3

    Tony Thomas:

    I think a lot of Climatologists got out of science some years ago.

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      greg

      Many climatologists only have a passing acquaintance of what science is and how it works.

      They need to get into science in the first place before worrying about whether to get out.

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    I speak for everyone reading… are we free use whatever [Snip] expletives we choose?

    [There, I included the answer in your question] Fly

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      gee Aye, If you want to use a four letter F word, try fact.
      It’s a word that warmists don’t understand, so they have to resort to expletives.

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        Kevin Lohse

        Or in the case of Climate Change, “We have some facts, and if we don’t like those we have some others.”

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          Mike Spilligan

          Kevin L: May I try to improve on your comment (which are always succinct)? …if we don’t like those we have an interminable supply which we make up as we go along.

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            the Griss

            They are quite open to “revision” of those facts, so long as those changes support their agenda.

            If the facts and data don’t fit the theory and models.. ..

            just change the facts and data !

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          panzerJ

          here at the BoM we have scientists so clever they have created mathematical formulae that can change data into facts,in fact they can change the data to suit whatever fact is required,and as the cherry on top we will even peer review everything to your requirements.
          We can prove that hot weather didn’t exist in Australia prior to 1910 and in some areas 1949.

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        mike restin

        “You don’t just start talking about unbelievably fast sea-level rise at a cocktail party at a friend’s house.”

        That’s odd because if something is believed by someone it’s certainly not unbelievable.

        Unless you’re a blithering idiot because you never really check the data and get out and observe the facts.

        Could it get warmer someday? Absolutely.
        Could sea level rise cause a future problem? Absolutely.
        Do we have any real data giving cause for alarm? Not yet.

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      stan stendera

      I thumb up the mod.

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      mike restin

      “there’s no clearer word that expresses that urgency than (expletive…deleted)”
      I know a few, how about reality or maybe try honesty or truth?

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      Roy Hogue

      I speak for everyone reading… are we free use whatever [Snip] expletives we choose?

      I have to admit to being mixed on this issue of permissible words. If you want to say it, what’s the difference between “F-word” and spelling it outright in all its “glory” for all to see? Everyone knows what the word is. Everyone knows what its use means. And everyone has said it.

      On the other hand, vulgarity says more about the writer than about the subject. And it isn’t flattering, not even when I sometimes resort to it.

      Let’s not go down that road.

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        Roy Hogue

        The same stuff is starting to show up in my living room, courtesy of the TV set. It’s a disgusting substitute for thoughtfulness and consideration for the other guy. We don’t need it. If what they want to say can’t be done without vulgarity then perhaps the message isn’t worthwhile in the first place.

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          Greg Cavanagh

          When you watch the old black & white movies of yesteryear, they never even suggest any vulgar language, real or substitute. Now it’s in music video’s playing to children. Today’s world is a sick society.

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            Roy Hogue

            Greg,

            I expect that in another season or two there will be Howard Stern style stuff on mainstream broadcast channels. I won’t go into what Howard Stern has done on the subscription Internet site from which he deals in the anything goes style of showmanship but a Google search will disclose all you ever didn’t want to know about him and were justifiably afraid to ask.

            We have let any thought of standards for public entertainment go down the drain.

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            Roy Hogue

            I remember a movie called, Inside Man. It’s cast boasted such excellent actors as Denzel Washington and Jodi Foster. I went to see it with my son and his father-in-law while the women were busy with one of those Tupperware type parties. They chose the movie and I didn’t drive.

            It could have been a good movie with an excellent plot but within minutes of starting it was clear that every other word in the whole script began with the letter “F”. I was appalled that actors of the stature of Denzel Washington and Jodie Foster would think such a thing worthy of their attention, not to mentioned just plain old offended at such gratuitous use of the word. The vulgarity detracted from any entertainment value there was and if I had my car at the theater I would have left after a few minutes. But I was trapped.

            I know people use vulgar language and if it shows up in a movie under circumstances where it might show up in reality I don’t mind it so much. But they shoved that word down my throat for two hours.

            If you’ve seen the movie you know what I’m talking about.

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          Annie

          A very good reason not to turn on the ‘box’. I think it’s very rude on the part of tv programme producers to think it’s alright to put vulgar language into one’s home. Sorry, no, emphatically. It is not acceptable to us.

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      mike restin

      We’re talking about temperature and climate and science and scientist…right?
      We’re not talking about how to speak when infiltrating the “Crips or the Bloods” are we?

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      stan stendera

      Thumb up for the mod.

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    Annie

    If they cannot get their ‘message’ over without resorting to ugly language then I don’t want to hear it. Good plain English with honest figures please.

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      Peter Miller

      The BBC in the UK this morning had, as their second item of news, that the IPCC will announce tomorrow the world will have to reduce CO2 levels to almost zero by the year 2100 in order to avoid ‘catastrophic climate change.’

      Now, that sort of complete BS deserves the ‘F’ word.

      There will be lots of climate BS in the months ahead leading up to the potentially world economy crippling jamboree in Paris next year.

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        Annie

        I can cope with BS but not the F word, thanks. There used to be a building in Melbourne we referred to as ‘Bravo Sierra Tower’ as we had young children in the house. It’s disappeared now.

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        mike restin

        2100! Thank goodness they’ve given us another reprieve. They’re worse than any normal doomsday cult.
        At he rate they change their catastrophic predictions and keep extending our time to act, I reckon we’ll have until sometime “In the year 2525…if man is still alive…” and maybe out to “9595″ if Zager & Evans are correct.

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        Robert

        The BBC in the UK this morning had, as their second item of news, that the IPCC will announce tomorrow the world will have to reduce CO2 levels to almost zero by the year 2100 in order to avoid ‘catastrophic climate change.’

        I am extremely concerned by anyone that isn’t aware or intelligent enough to realize that reducing CO2 levels to almost zero means reducing all life on this planet to almost zero. Even 350ppm is barely adequate and we’ve had weeping Bill and his crowd crowing for that number for some time now without any indication they have a clue what a reduction to that level would cause.

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    Given the volume of useless paperwork these climate scientists have produced, I think this is what they need.
    https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/3/5100467_9e70e04810.jpg

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    In pre post-modern times you would have concluded that widespread neurosis within a defined group was evidence of a problem with the attitudes, thoughts and behaviour of that group.

    But the twitchy juveniles who write for Grist know better, as always.

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    “Some real talk about how we’re all screwed may be just what the climate movement needs.”
    By we, does she mean those in the climate movement?

    It seems to me that what they are really depressed about is the clear and present danger of losing their funding. Gosh, they might have to get a real job.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      … the clear and present danger of losing their funding …

      Of course. Think of it from their point of view. They have gone through seven years of secondary school, done a three or four year Graduate Degree, then spent goodness knows how long, working on a PhD Thesis in Climate “Studies”, and all the while expecting fame and fortune and the respect of society, at the end of it.

      And what they get is ridicule, and a decreasing funding base, as more and larger sectors of society, are saying, “Enough – this ain’t real guys”.

      They probably have the right to feel depressed.

      I know I was depressed when I could no longer retain the level of fitness required in my first career. But then I got a second career, and enjoyed that, until I was made redundant, which was also very depressing. So now I am on my third career, and am in the position of depressing other people, and that is much better. It is also the way the world works.

      They will have some tears, but they will get over it.

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        Gee Rereke, I always enjoy your sense of humour on this site.
        So if your current career involves depressing other people then I don’t think you are doing a very good job.

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          I just tell them that what they currently have, is as good as it could possibly get.

          They always find that news depressing, and it helps me get rid of a lot of angst. :-)

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        Angry

        I wouldn’t employ these individuals to even sweep footpaths.
        No doubt they would fail at that also!

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          I think they should be made to shovel snow from the “sidewalks” in the northern states of USA. For each shovel they must chant “Global Warming…Global Warming…”.
          In fact I’d pay just to watch.

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    John

    In the early ’90s, I had the amazing opportunity to Be a Book Designer for UofI Press. In the early 90′s, we were designers. We read the text and only then translated the proper vision.

    The distance in this post IS a sad reflection to a lost integrity.

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      John

      My message to depressed scientists is to wake up and see through the weak excuses.

      LOL, when Jaques Derrida decided to destroy the meta under the feet of Science, Science questioned its basis and became NEW!

      Hello : )

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    Yeah!

    Odd, isn’t it.

    They can use their F word, and in fact are now being advised to do so.

    Yet, our F word is totally verboten. (froared)

    Now, might that suggest that we actually occupy the moral high ground more than they do.

    Tony.

    Postscript. Sorry moderators, “deb’l made me do it!”

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      John

      moral high ground equates to the use of terms?

      .. and Jesus screamed “Bollocks”?

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        But he probably said it an Aramaic.

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        John

        To see a world in a grain of sand
        And a heaven in a wild flower
        Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
        And eternity in an hour.

        And chaos a given in Climate!

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          John

          And eternity in an hour

          This is the part which Eats Me — Chaos is a known theory and a set of Known Postulstes. Why do “they” find the obvious so difficult; moral high ground?

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      James the Elder

      Soooooooooooo, they use it because they are passionate; I use it because I’m an undereducated Neanderthal. But I’m not a depressed Neanderthal, so there.

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    handjive

    That depression looks set to continue …

    01 Nov, 2014:
    Flooding, dangerous heatwaves, ill health and violent conflicts are among the likely risks if temperatures exceed 2C above pre-industrial levels, the report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) will say in a final document, which has been agreed line-by-line by international government officials at a summit in Copenhagen over the past week.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/11202987/UN-climate-change-report-to-warn-of-severe-pervasive-effects-of-global-warming.html

    What is even more depressing for our 97% certified kool-aide drinking climate cargo cultists’ is good news like:

    - W Hudson Bay polar bear population no longer “declining” – where are the headlines?
    http://polarbearscience.com/2014/10/29/w-hudson-bay-polar-bear-population-no-longer-declining-where-are-the-headlines/

    - Seychelles snail, thought extinct, found alive
    A snail once thought to have been among the first species to go extinct because of climate change has reappeared in the wild.
    http://phys.org/news/2014-09-seychelles-snail-thought-extinct-alive.html
    . . .
    Two of the poster animals of Global Warming are not threatened, but thriving!
    Depressing news for some.

    A laugh for others:

    “So the question remains: If the deep oceans aren’t warming, where is all that extra heat going?
    We … don’t really know, at least not yet. But it’s definitely going somewhere.”

    http://grist.org/news/climate-changes-relationship-with-the-sea-just-got-more-mysterious/

    Maybe it is where the sun doesn’t shine, and carbon(sic) is the climate control knob!

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      Angry

      My goodness these lunatics need to get out of their offices and enjoy the great outdoors more.

      They might finally realize that human beings cannot control nature !

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      The Truth

      My guess is the heat is going up up & away.All that heat under the Earths crust is sure trying to go up, Volcanoes etc are a tell tale sign.97% confidence level.

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    the Griss

    A big hint for ALL climate scientists suffering depression..

    The TRUTH will see you free.

    That TRUTH being that there is absolutely nothing unusual or untoward happening with the climate.

    Once you all realise that, you have no need to fret any more. :-)

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    Leonard Lane

    And they will call good evil and evil good. This is a great example of that. I cannot imagine anyone telling their friends to use profane language. But then if their friends are “comrades” as under Marx and Lenin, then I guess it is not only believable but fact.

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    john karajas

    Cheesus! Professor Parmesan is depressed is she!

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    Yonniestone

    When the data doesn’t match a theory shouldn’t a scientist then review the theory in relation to what the data is saying?

    I mean seriously if anyone has worked themselves up so much over a ‘Theory’ it affects their wellbeing to the point of undergoing a type of ‘Cursing Therapy’ for relief then something is seriously wrong with the individual’s grasp of reality regarding what they are trying to accomplish.

    I can only imagine the psychological pressure an FBI criminal profiler would suffer during investigations but struggle to see the comparison of an actual threat in the real world to the self imposed anguish of a scientist who believes they have a duty to save the planet no matter what all based on a theory that is yet to be proven.

    Considering the mindset of climate crusading scientists it may only be a matter time an FBI profiler is looking into their activities and I guarantee the word F$#K will be on the report.

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      sophocles

      Ah, yes. FrAWEd investigations. That time will come.

      The next decade is going to be very interesting.

      Steyn vs Mann …

      and more.

      I don’t see any sense about getting sweated up over any hypothesis pushed by others. I’ve researched the research and will continue to do so. We are now in the Best of Times, not the Worst. With the Solar minimum progressing, we’re going to see a lot of things happening. Some hypotheses will have to be dumped, some will be proven, and others will have to be modified as Nature does Her Thing, not our’s. It’s going to be a wonderful time.

      Some scientist’s faces will be well covered in egg, some will have blinding haloes. Some may slip off into obscurity as quickly and quietly as they can. But the Internet never forgets.

      Interesting times.

      I’m not tempted to sell my shares in wool.

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Thank you for your confidence in wool. It’s hard to hang on and keep faith in this wonderful product when the market has been crashing around you for 25 years.

        The destruction of the world trade in wool is another product of our same seriously flawed academies.

        The Australian government made many terrible errors with their management of the problems that arose in the wool trade. Citing the Law of Supply and Demand they showed not the slightest comprehension of either supply or demand, and by slashing the price they bankrupted the entire world trade in wool. That was 15 years ago, and still wool is in a death spiral because the Australian government and the academies which trained them did not understand that they created a marketplace in which it was impossible for traders to make secure plans to trade in wool.

        Out of sheer stubbornness I have retained a small investment in wool because it is a magnificent, marvellously marketable product. It will struggle to survive one more year, as I fear the trade is about to become a closed shop, with trading at a very low level.

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    stargazer

    Amazing… bunch of *scientists* wrong about the climate apocalypse they cooked up and they are depressed.

    Is there something wrong with this picture? Am I missing something here? I mean normal people might be happy.

    Instead of the F-word, why not just shoot them up with a healthy dose of anti-depressants. After 90 days eating soft food in a soft room they might start to see the truth.

    Of course, they won’t be much good as scientist ever. Maybe issue them butterfly nets and send them to the south pole. And hope they don’t blame the lack of butterflies on global warming.

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      NielsZoo

      Arguably they weren’t much good as scientists to begin with now were they?

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      sophocles

      I was in Melbourne in 1990 when I saw the start of the Australian wool collapse. It wasn’t a pretty sight even then. NZ’s has hung in there, albeit greatly diminished, because of the woollen carpet industry. Can’t beat wool on the floor. There are no two-inch long sparks betwixt hand and appliance!

      As a fibre, it is almost incomparable, being able to hold its own weight in water yet remain warm. Only the hollow synthetic fibres come close to that but even they don’t beat it, and garments made with these don’t last as well as wool. Felted wool is very long lasting and warm.

      But then, wool evolved for purpose, it wasn’t invented.

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        sophocles

        ExD! (Expletive deleted!) That’s another dead rodent binned. Only two years old. Branded. One of THAT brand …

        The above reply was supposed to be to Ted O’Brien (#13.1.1), so it took the wonders of a faulty mouse to get it down here! ‘Pologies all.

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    manalive

    … And finally, there are the numerous well meaning individuals who have allowed propagandists to convince them that in accepting the alarmist view of anthropogenic climate change, they are displaying intelligence and virtue For them, their psychic welfare is at stake …

    … Professor Richard Lindzen July 26th 2009.

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    Five Stages of Mourning

    1. Denial and Isolation
    2. Anger
    3. Bargaining
    4. Depression
    5. Acceptance

    Reaching this [last] stage of mourning is a gift not afforded to everyone. Death may be sudden and unexpected or we may never see beyond our anger or denial. It is not necessarily a mark of bravery to resist the inevitable and to deny ourselves the opportunity to make our peace. This phase is marked by withdrawal and calm. This is not a period of happiness and must be distinguished from depression.

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      Greg Cavanagh

      It has been one of the most fascinating journeys I’ve ever followed.

      And I’ve learned a whole lot about science, psychology, social engineering, power & corruption.

      A damned exercise, I do hope the psychological sciences learn something from this as well. And I do hope some modern historians manage to get the story right when they write it up. Otherwise, it was truly all for nothing.

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    Yonniestone

    “Yessity Yes” got the better of me and I found the ‘Whole brain teaching for challenging kids’ is this actually used and to what effect?

    It reminds me of the time some mongrel tempted me to search YOLOSWAG and still have recursive fury over that one, F%&K!

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    TdeF

    Why such a small range of words?

    What about False, Fabricated, Forged, Fiddled, Fobbed, Finangled, Fibbed, Felonious
    and Flabbergasted, Fingered, Fed Up and finally Found Out?

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    manalive

    “In the U.S., [climate change] isn’t well-supported by the funding system … says Parmesan …”

    LOL.

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    pat

    F***!

    just saw a lot of snow in Tasmania on the Sky Weather channel, with comment that it is unusual in November. not of interest to the MSM, though.

    BOM: Tasmania: Mt. Wellington:
    Forecast for the rest of Sunday
    2 Nov: Snow falling above 800 metres.
    9 Nov: Showers or snow.
    http://www.bom.gov.au/tas/forecasts/mtwellington.shtml

    28 Oct: Weatherzone: Tasmanian Snow as QLD chars
    While this great southern land is seeing areas of Queensland scour black with extreme heat, areas of Tasmania raised this morning to the winter wonderland of snow.
    Overnight, a powerful cold front swept through the Apple Isle bringing destructive winds and a very cold air mass in its wake…
    The main feature apart from the destructive winds, however, is the snow which fell to about 600m overnight…
    http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/tasmanian-snow-as-qld-chars/170788

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      Snow in Tassie in November? Hmm, there’s bound to be a study done to show that it’s hot snow.

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        Snow in Tassie in November? Hmm, there’s bound to be a study done to show that it’s hot snow.

        Nothing much here as the snow melted virtually on contact with the ground.

        That of itself has Climate Scientists really excited.

        It seems that they might have found the missing heat.

        Evidently, they’re now saying that it’s hidden in the top two inches of the ground!!!!!

        Tony.

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      NielsZoo

      … and here on the opposite side of the planet and other side of the equator it’s about 4°C here in rural Central Florida, shattering our record low of 14°C set in 2012. Where is this Global “Warming” they speak of? Is it halfway between us in the molten iron core of the planet?

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    Amazing really. Any rational being, when told that the data showed that their apocalyptic theories of global disaster were wrong, would have become very cheerful – NOT depressed. These beings therefore are not rational, although I am aware that correlation is not causation and that there may well be other, more sinister psychological forces at work…

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    pat

    F***! bad timing for the IPCC report:

    2 Nov: Accuweather: Cold, Snow Wreak Havoc on Appalachians, Southeast
    A potent shot of cold air shocked the Southeast and central Appalachians Friday and Saturday, sending snow as far south as Columbia, South Carolina.
    The arrival of the snow in Columbia sets the earliest snowfall record for the area…
    Snow was observed along the spine of the Appalachians all the way into southwestern Pennsylvania…
    This same storm system brought the first snowflakes of the season to areas around Chicago and Detroit to Indianapolis and Cincinnati on Halloween evening.
    More accumulating snow is in store for the mountains from southwestern Pennsylvania to northern Georgia through Saturday night. Folks will want to be ready for possible power outages and travel delays…
    http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/early-season-cold-snow-wreaks/36678477

    1 Nov: WaPo: Incredible early-season snow slams the Southeast, impacts felt across eastern U.S
    3:00 p.m. update: NWS Morristown reports up to 22″ of snow fell at Mt LeConte in Tennessee’s Smoky Mountains, with drifts waist deep there.
    Here are several new share-worthy items from this stunning mid-fall snowstorm:..
    Perhaps the most incredible aspect of this amazing storm is the low elevation snow in the southeast..
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/11/01/incredible-early-season-snow-slams-the-southeast-impacts-felt-across-eastern-u-s/

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      the Griss

      “The arrival of the snow in Columbia sets the earliest snowfall record for the area…”

      Has anyone checked the whereabouts of Al Gore ?

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      stan stendera

      It snowed in suburban North Atlanta, GA, USA during the night of Nov. 1.

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      mc

      You’re getting the hang of it Pat; start every sentence with f***, and “real” people will take you seriously. “Real” people respond to profane language because it displays real emotion, and real emotion embodies “real truth”. See, reason can’t be trusted anymore, the enlightenment was a cruel trick played upon humanity, its’ technological products have led us all to the edge of annihilation, with all the doom and depression, all the pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth that comes with such grandiose human overreach. we are Icarus and we are falling from the sky. when our impact with the defiled Earth arrives it will be painful but we will be deserving of it, and if we and our mother Gia survive we will have been taught a valuable lesson about the folly and hubris of seeing ourselves as something more that monkeys in robes.
      It’s really pretty easy to work out who is telling the “truth” and who isn’t; count up the number of swear word the speaker is using, this will give you a sense of how much passion is being injected into the message, it’s the passion that counts, reason is cold and cruel, passion is hot and human and therefore far more trustworthy. the Enlightenment is dead, long live the Enpassionment! Sarc.

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    pat

    drinks break at the cricket.

    Roger Harrabin (sounding very depressed) – top story on BBC – IPCC report.

    “even sceptics agree that the current pause in global warming will end” LOL.

    coal the biggest problem, but it lifts people out of poverty.

    give it up, MSM.

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    William Astley

    Swearing, holding your breath, or standing on your head does not change the observations and analysis that disproves the extreme AGW theory and supports the assertion that roughly 90% of the warming in the last 70 years was due to solar magnetic cycle changes. The warmists need to start look for a way out of the fibs and climategate fabrications, that they have been telling for the last 20 years, the planet has started to cool. The politicians and public are going to be looking for scapegoats to punish for the trillions of dollars that have been wasted on the green scams that do not work to fight ‘climate change’.

    1. No warming for 18 years.
    2. Observational evidence now of sudden, unexplained cooling of both poles. Highest sea ice in the Antarctic ever recorded. Rapid recovery of sea ice in the Arctic. Sudden onset of record cold winters and record snowfall in the Northern hemisphere.
    3. No observed tropical tropospheric hot spot which is the key signature of AWG warming. The most amount of long wave radiation emitted to space is at the equator. Climate models predict that the majority of the warming due to AGW should have been in the tropics rather than at high latitude regions. There has been almost no net warming in the tropics. The majority of the observed warming has been in high latitude regions.
    4. Paleo record shows there are cycles of high latitude warming when the sun is in a grand maximum followed by periods of high latitude cooling when the sun is in a Maunder like minimum. (Dansgaard-Oeschger cycles.)
    5. The sun was in a grand maximum during the entire period of observed warming. The sun is now heading to a very deep Maunder minimum. The highest point of solar cycle 24 occurred on February, 2014, it appears the sun will be spotless by sometime in 2015. The solar large scale polar field is heading to very, very low levels. A level that is lower than believed possible based on solar modeling. The level of the solar polar field is the most accurate predictor of the amplitude of the next solar magnetic cycle. Past Maunder minimums have lasted for 100 to 150 years.

    http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/img/latest/latest_4096_4500.jpg
    http://www.solen.info/solar/polarfields/polar.html

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    realist

    “If you think the answer to your science problem is swearing out loud, it’s time to get out science”.

    Jo, in the same context as your following sentence (“If you are a science writer, quit. Gossip magazines need you”.), do you mean, get out of science?

    In other words, if someone can’t make it in science by sticking to the principles and practice of science (as Feynman would describe it) with factual, relevant (and polite) communication, perhaps they are uncomfortable in science and would prefer a career change where they might feel more comfortable?

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    Rob R

    Hot snow coming to the South island of New Zealand during the next day as well

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    Richo

    Perhaps these climate scientists need a good pour on dose of “Avomec” to cure their pre-traumatic stress syndrome.

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    AndrewWA

    I agree…they should all just use the “F” word.

    With all due respect to the Rolling Stones……I think that depressed Climate Scientists should “all just FFFFFFFFade away!!” (as they are the weakest link and it’s time to go!!)

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      the Griss

      Poor alarmista climate scientist.

      With all their sticky fingers, they just can’t get no satisfaction.

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      R. Downing

      Rolling Stones? “Why don’t they just ffffade away” is from My Generation, by The Who.

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      mike restin

      I believe that was The Who’s “My Generation”.

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      AndrewWA

      Oops you are all so right. :-(

      Seemed so good when I wrote it and so topical.

      OF COURSE it was The Who who were talking about My Generation.

      But how did they know that the Alarmists were going to be around back in 1967??

      Nearly 50 years later the message is still the same!!

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        Greg Cavanagh

        Also Alice Cooper, My Generation

        People try to put us down (Talkin’ ’bout my generation)
        Just because we get around (Talkin’ ’bout my generation)
        Things they do look awful cold (Talkin’ ’bout my generation)
        I hope I die before I get old (Talkin’ ’bout my generation)
        My generation
        My geneartion, baby
        Why don’t you all f-fade away (Talkin’ ’bout my generation)
        And don’t try to dig what we all s-s-say (Talkin’ ’bout my generation)
        I’m not trying to cause a big s-s-sensation (Talkin’ ’bout my generation)
        I’m talkin’ ’bout my g-g-g-generation (Talkin’ ’bout my generation)
        My generation
        My geneartion, baby
        Talkin’ ’bout my generation)

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    the Griss

    Maybe a bit OT, but hopefully VERY depressing for the alarmista !!

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/02/twc-founder-john-coleman-to-be-on-cnn-this-morning-tune-in/

    I hope Jo can find and provide a link to the interview. I’ll certainly be looking for one. :-)

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    Chester

    failed theory

    So Jo, can you please tell us precisely, what is the failed theory and by whom has it been disproved?

    Thanks for that.

    Keep up the great job saving science. Humanity is grateful for your heroic efforts.

    Although, it is all a bit confusing. I thought the whole deal with scepticism was emphasizing the uncertainty in climate science, yet you are now saying with certainty the theories are conclusively disproved. Shouldn’t true sceptics be sceptical of this?

    Or perhaps what you are saying is that the certainty you have of the uncertainty of climate science means you can be certain that that the theory climate scientist had about being certain is certainly disproved and you’re still working on the actual climate theory but are somehow certain that will be disproved soon?

    I’d certainly like to know, Jo.

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      the Griss

      “I’d certainly like to know,”

      gees Chester, that’s the first time you have EVER professed any desire to learn anything.

      Progress at last…. Well done!

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      JoKaH

      You are only allowed to be 97% certain that you are certain.

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      Annie

      Chester, have you been taking lessons from Sir Humphrey Appleby or Bernard, perchance?

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      mike restin

      Are you talking about CO2 causing temperature rise, sea level rise, ocean acidification, polar ice loss, the “hot spot” or what?
      Just which catastrophic theory of CO2 caused CAGW do you subscribe?

      Thank goodness the UNIPCC has reconsidered and has extended the deadline to end CO2 growth to the year 2100.
      I was getting worried.
      Maybe they’ll be kind enough to extend it further as their CAGW theory continues to fail.

      What does you’re research into human caused earth destruction tell you is the last day to save the world?
      Maybe “two days before the day after tomorrow”? Oh Noes!
      (ht to South Park.)

      I’m pretty sure someday this terrific Goldilocks climate we’ve evolved through will change back to a humid, sweltering jungle like heat or another ice age but I really do doubt man is in control.
      What say you?

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      James Bradley

      See, folks, according to DSM 4, in the real world Chester displays an Acute Adjustment Disorder.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      A scientific theory is a lot like virginity.

      It is a fine thing to have, for as long as it lasts.

      But to probably misquote Einstein: “No amount of experiment and observation can prove a theory correct, but it only takes one experiment or counter observation, to demonstrate that it is wrong.”

      In the scheme of things, being sceptical is by far the easiest route.

      Having unequivocal proof is only for politicians and charlatans (same thing really).

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      FIN

      Hah, hah, hilarious, well said!

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      helen brady

      CO2 causing CAGW.

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      Angry

      Chester …… a sycophant cartoon dog, small and jumpy with yellow fur and brown, perky ears.

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      Chester November 2, 2014 at 8:00 pm · Reply

      (‘failed theory”)

      “So Jo, can you please tell us precisely, what is the failed theory and by whom has it been disproved?
      Thanks for that.”

      It “was” a false conjecture, touted as a “Green House Gas Theory”. It disproved itself, now known as “Green House Gas Bunkum”

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    mem

    Unfortunately the “pre-traumatised” have allowed themselves to be defined by their commitment to AGW both in their personal and professional lives. Failure of AGW is therefore doubly significant. In a quiet moment when this is over most will see that it is actually good news i.e. the planet isn’t in peril from AGW and the panic can be put aside for awhile. They should know however that they did their best given the information provided to them.

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      the Griss

      “i.e. the planet isn’t in peril from AGW and the panic can be put aside for awhile.”

      gees, that’s what I said in #10.. and RW said I was weird.. and frightening.

      oh well :-(

      To all those climate scaredy-cats..

      DON’T PANIC !

      Everything is A-OK !!

      There ain’t no freeway going through our neighbourhood !

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        mem

        Yeah, but consider most of these guys are public servants of one sort or another. They’ve never had to take out a major loan or hock the house to fund their employees. They’re coddled, soft in the centre and used to everything just happening according to the latest memo. It’s not like real disaster where you lose your life savings. This is imagined disaster. And for them it is humongous. They will be embarrassed! Don’t you feel for them?

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        No, I said that sometimes you were frighteningly weird.

        It was the emphasis on the word “set” that did it.

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    First of all we had “climate scientists being threatened” when it turned out that these threats were fairly innocuous emails.
    Then we had those creepy mugshots on scaredscientists.com.
    Now we have the self-afflicted being urged to indulge in cussing?
    I seem to recall another suggestion, that these poor down-trodden alarmists should adopt some form of monastic silence? Didn’t happen. Unfortunately.
    This is all very odd. I wonder what the next remedy will be?
    Better start numbering them, like things caused by global warming, and excuses for the “pause”.

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    I understand the Fracking Anger that the alarmist “scientists” are feeling. They are watching their religion go down the tubes. They bought in to the theory of CO2 back-radiation invented by the Religious Prophet (or Profit??) James Hansen and now many are questioning that idea since the bad girl Mother Nature is not following the script.

    The central reason is that when CO2 in the lower atmosphere captures a photon of energy it hangs on to that energy long enough so that it is highly likely to bump into another molecule in the atmosphere and hand off that energy before it can radiate it. So, convection dominates in the lower atmosphere just like we were taught in school in the 70s. Can you say “lapse rate” children?

    The “world saving” movement to halt “back radiation” turns out to be just another dumb scam that deluded the masses.

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    hunter

    Madeleine Thomas’ Grist wailing:
    “And a dose of honesty may be more than just therapeutic. Some real talk about how we’re all screwed may be just what the climate movement needs.”
    She honestly sounds like she needs to up the frequency of her visits to her psychiatrist.

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    michael hart

    Well at least they are trying out some other letters in the alphabet, instead of just using the D-word all the time.

    Pity that the record never changes. Just like the BBC today.

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    Steve

    I’d say bad words if I was called “Brentin Mock”.
    Is it a joke? I wonder if he made it up himself. It’s surprisingly difficult to make up names, as a survey of cheap books on Amazon shows.

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    turnedoutnice

    He’s a Climate Alchemist, and he’s okay,
    He sleeps all night and he works all day.

    I cut down trees, to count the rings,
    I go to the lava-try.
    On Wednesdays I go modellin’
    And create fake chemistry.

    He cuts down trees, to count the rings,
    He goes to the lava-try.
    On Wednesdays ‘e goes modellin’
    And creates fake chemistry.

    Ain’t it bleedin’ depressing; brain the size of a micrometeorite so forced into this scientific dead end……

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      Angry

      What about the verse…….

      He cuts down trees. He skips and jumps.
      He likes to press wild flowers.
      He puts on women’s clothing
      And hangs around in bars?!

      Apologies to Monty Python.

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    DouptingDave

    I find it both amusing and ironic that these people want to encourage the use of the ‘F’ word.Its a word that dates back to pagan celtic times and only became a swear word when the early church treated all pagan practices and words as herasy. So it seems appropriate that a pagan word should be encouraged by modern day pagan earth mother gaia worshippers.

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    Mike Smith

    Long after the AGW meme has totally collapsed and been replaced by some new progressive noble cause, these people will still be preaching about how virtuous this whole episode was. They’ll still believe the world would have been far better off but for those nasty barbaric deniers.

    For them, the ideology trumps all of the facts.

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      James Bradley

      In the real world that’s called Paranoia with Delusions of Grandeur.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        But in the case of Climate Science, it is Paranoia with Delusions of Competence.

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          Greg Cavanagh

          I don’t know if I’d love or hate to be one of your employees Rereke. It’d keep me on my toes or laughing on the floor either way I guess.

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            Work isn’t really work, if you make it fun. And if it is fun, people tend to do more of it. I just hope that none of the filthy surfs read Jo’s blog, and see this.

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      sophocles

      I’m betting it will be back to the 1970′s:

      “We’re heading into another ice age and we’re all gonna diiiiieeeee!”

      “Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever.” (Ecclesiastes 1:4)

      “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” (Ecclesiastes 1:9)

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    Anton

    A very useful word for summarising the state of play in this debate. The data have been f*****

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    dp

    If they don’t care for where the models are taking them how about they start following the data? It makes them look foolish and it should, when they publish absurd papers based on models that lack skill and are unfit for the purpose. I suggest they do an experiment: Seek the truth without using models at all. Just for a short time, of course. Long enough to accept they produce crap. Then repeat: “Modeled output is not data” until it becomes a reality and a topic they can discuss among themselves without developing a case of the tremors. Next, they need to accept that they cannot be considered scientists until they are first honest skeptics. Finally, they need to accept the unmodeled data will not lead them to CAGW as a problem. In other words, see the truth and believe it. End of depression.

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      James Bradley

      Yeah, well, in the real world it’s called OCD.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      I suggest they do an experiment: Seek the truth without using models at all.

      They can’t do that. They are script-kiddies.

      The only experiments they do are in trying new algorithms to see if they produce a result that sort of looks like the observations.

      This is why it is sometimes easier to change the observations and then justify the change post-hoc.

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    jorgekafkazar

    They must employ F*** because they don’t know S***.

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    sophocles

    Is it just me? I’m seeing and hearing CAGW apologists in increasing numbers over the last few weeks, in the MM, on the box and over the radio. All pushing the threadbare and pseudo-scientific bogeyman’s stories.

    Perhaps it’s all a big softening up for the IPCC’s Climate Conference. (Is it this month?)

    I’m thinking we have to go head to head with the fear-mongers now, by email and phone call and let our radio stations, newspapers and other forms of media know what’s wrong and why, demanding equal space and time.

    It feels right.

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    Angry

    A good read today on Andrew Bolt regarding global warming

    The evidence of global warming is the hot words, not the temperature:-

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_evidence_of_global_warming_is_the_hot_words_not_the_temperature/

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    john robertson

    Is it wrong of me, to be very cheered by the professed misery of these parasites?

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      michael hart

      I wouldn’t worry about it, John. As soon as they realise that everybody is laughing at them, they will find something else to be miserable about.

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    Reed Coray

    It’s a truism (and probably a scientific law) that you can’t “get out” of something you were never “in”.

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    Robert

    Busy with homework and a change in hours at work so my apologies if this has already been stated, just don’t have time to read through everything right now.

    However, I very emphatically agree that those in the climate “sciences” are long overdue for using the F word. I’m still waiting for them to say:

    “Our hypothesis has Failed.” “We are perpetrating a Fraud” “We have no Facts” etc.

    There are plenty of F words they should be using, shouting the one they are referring to isn’t going to change things, they are F’ed because they can’t/won’t use any of the F words that properly describe their work.

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    [...] In other words, try behaving like – what’s the word? – scientists. Jo Nova: If you have to resort to namecalling, and can’t define your terms in English (who denies [...]

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    J.H.

    So…. According to the left, swearing is better than science?

    These people are nuts.

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    Jyro

    The Earth has been getting warmer or colder for 4 billion years. The only constant in Earths environment is change. It will continue to change till it’s consumed by the Sun.

    Man has been on earth .00075% of Earth’s age or 300,000 years.
    Earth will continue to change after man is long gone.

    The universe is dynamic. Suns supernova, galaxies collide, planets are formed and lost in black holes daily.

    Man is merely a brief observer, not the cause.

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    David S

    The F word is quite an accurate description of what the policies based on their climate models are doing to the world. Global warming alarmism is the greatest moral dilemma of our time.
    It’s time for a few alarmists to visit the confessional . It will be good for them and if they repent and realise the error of their ways it will be good for all of us.

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