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Australians slam brakes on EVs: Youngest drivers had a “stronger connection” to fossil fuel cars

By Jo Nova

The good news never ends for the forced transition to electric cars

The latest surveys show Australians are rapidly losing interest in buying an EV (even if they do make the weather nicer a hundred years from now):

Australian drivers slam brakes on electric vehicle sales amid battery cost fears

Australia’s electric vehicle market has hit the skids, with drivers stepping back from new purchases, citing fears over hidden costs and long-term battery uncertainty. A new report from Australia’s biggest auto classifieds site, Carsales, has unearthed that consumers are cooling towards battery-powered vehicles despite a fierce market battle between Chinese-owned BYD and Tesla.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but this (below) sounds like an EV salesman trying not to say that 64% of Australians won’t even consider an EV:

Carsales’s latest EV Consumer Survey has revealed that electric vehicle consideration among Australian drivers has levelled out at 36 per cent, highlighting the market’s abrupt halt.

Except, from another source, it’s 70% who won’t consider buying an EV.

Lifetime EV consideration has again dropped, with only 30% of respondents ever considering an EV. This continued drop from 56% (June 2022) likely reflects the cost of living crisis and a decrease in disposable income for the average person.

A backlash to the high tech vehicle

Interestingly, even though Millennials (aged 25-35) are the age-group most likely to consider buying an EV, their younger brothers and sisters in Gen Z (18-24) were more attached to petrol engines:

Some drivers, particularly Generation Z — those born from 1997 to 2012 — cited a stronger connection to traditional internal combustion engine cars. Mr Booth found this counter-intuitive, stating, “you would think that they would be more technologically advanced, because that’s what they grew up… but this seems to be this throwback.”

Perhaps they’ve heard about the latest Volvo EV recall? These hapless owners of one-year-old cars have been told not to charge them more than 70% full, because there is a danger they might catch fire. Ominously, there is no fix available, yet. Volvo says that when a remedy is available they will notify the owners. Doesn’t that make you feel good?

So nearly 3000 Volvo EV owners now have a much shorter range “indefinitely”.

As MGuy points out this follows straight on from Mercedes having to do a big recall for the same fire risk.

Not so coincidentally, the Labor Government has just announced some free money so more rich people can buy an EV:

Labor turns to cheap loans to shore up electric vehicle demand as budgets tighten

Taxpayers shopping for a new electric vehicle will be offered a $1900 sweetener, under the Albanese government’s latest bid to boost uptake and align motorists with Labor’s ambitious climate targets.

In a discount loan scheme, electric vehicles priced below the luxury car tax threshold of $91,378 will qualify for interest rate discounts of between 0.5 and 1 percentage point.

No matter what the question is, the answer is always to steal purchasing power from the poor and give it to Labor’s inner city friends.

 

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*Carsales interviewed 2299 people on November 4th  – 11th 2025

Photo: Alexander-93 

 

 

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87 comments to Australians slam brakes on EVs: Youngest drivers had a “stronger connection” to fossil fuel cars

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    Vicki

    Batteries of both cars made in China?

    BTW if you live in a strata complex with undercover parking, where do insurance companies stand on this issue?

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      Geoff Sherrington

      Our strata complex owners approved prohibition of lithium battery powered vehicles including cars, bikes and scooters in the 20 car parking space below the apartments. We have a clear sign at the entry gate. We have asked our OC manager to report on insurance consequences but they are slow to answer. Geoff S

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      Geoff

      The ONLY attraction for EV buyers was the no petrol tax advantage. Take that away by adding a kilometre charge and demand dries up.

      The next BIG “discovery” is going to be self charging batteries. They will make every EV and out there redundant and worthless. Its in the lab now. Driven by the need for robotics.

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    Skepticynic

    The government knows what’s best for you, what you can and can’t do, what you can and can’t choose, and what you can and can’t have. They are always right and they are never wrong. One thing you must not do is criticise the government. That would be very very bad.

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      Graham Richards

      That criticism may just qualify as “ hate speech “. Do be very careful of criticism of “dear leader “.
      This nonsense, EVs & net zero will not end well. Many tears, stress,anger & revolt are not far off. The implosion of the “ opposition “ is just the tip of the iceberg!! 😭

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      Geoff Sherrington

      For a decade now I have made public comments that in my (now) 84 years, the biggest social change I have seen is the increase in proportion of people paid to tell other people what they can and cannot do.
      I was born during WWII. My childhood years were tough. My dad was seldom home from serving years as an officer in New Guinea. We had very little money. One Christmas, mum gave us gift wrapped mangos from the tree next door. There was essentially no time, inclination or effort to be involved in trivial social issues like speech control.
      We have become overpopulated by what we youngsters then labelled “wankers” without threat to the principle that “If the cap fits, wear it.” Geoff S

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        Larry

        That started when the ALP became the dregs of the middle classes instead of a working class Party.

        The blue collar old timers distrusted public servants and weren’t interested in increasing their numbers or influence, and the Liberals believed in small government.

        Then the dregs of the middle classes ALP started to win some elections at State and Federal level in the ’70s and early ’80s and massively expand the bureaucracy with their own kind, ie the dregs of the middle classes who loved the unaccountability of being a public servant.

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    Mike Jonas

    A few days ago, because of non-mainstream news about EV sales tanking, I asked Grok about global EV sales and was told “The global EV market grew steadily in 2025, reaching record sales, though growth is expected to moderate in 2026 due to policy changes and market saturation in key areas. No overall decline is evident.”. No matter how I tried to get it to look at it, it wouldn’t contemplate any likely overall EV market decline outside the USA. Grok learns from the predominant web information, of course, which is mostly the mainstream. It will be interesting to see how fast the picture changes as the subsidies run out.

    Note: Grok is “unbiased” but it is still swayed by web flooding. The blob knows this, and web flooding is one of its major weapons. This is going to be a long battle, until it isn’t. Ernest Hemingway: “How did you go bankrupt? Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”.

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      Strop

      Maybe Grok is correct. All the data I see suggests EV sales have been higher each year Globally, including 2025.
      Jo’s article doesn’t say EV sales haven’t continued to rise. The article is based on surveys of attitude.

      Australia fully electric cars, Q4 was slightly down on Q2 and Q3 sales. December was the 3rd highest sales month, behind June (highest) and August. 2025 overall higher than 2024.

      Global sales 2014 – 2024
      https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025/trends-in-electric-car-markets-2

      Figures for 2025
      https://source.benchmarkminerals.com/article/global-ev-sales-reach-20-7-million-units-in-2025-growing-by-20

      Grok did say growth is expected to moderate in 2026 due to policy changes and market saturation in some areas.
      Seems like a fair summary by Grok.
      Fronm the second link:

      China’s growth appears to have slowed, largely due to the high comparison base created by improved EV subsidies introduced in mid-2024, which significantly lifted sales in the second half of that year.

      The European EV market grew by 33% in 2025 compared with 2024, with 31% growth coming from Battery Electric Vehicles (BEVs) and 38% from Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicles (PHEVs) over the same period. The European electric vehicle market was marked by a year of legislative change, as EU tailpipe emissions targets were softened throughout the year. There was also increased support for consumer EV purchases, with several major European countries expanding or increasing subsidies.

      Over 2025, EV sales accelerated in several major markets. Large-volume countries such as Germany and the UK grew by 48% and 27%, respectively. EV sales in France began 2025 weakly and remained in negative territory for most of the year, but finished with 2% growth overall after recovering in the final months, supported by subsidies.

      There does seem to be a common theme, per my bolding. Subsidies.

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        Lawrie

        Subsidies, subsidies and subsidies, the three major reasons that the Green economy is doing well. Conversely it is coal, gas and uranium that is making China, India and the third world much more prosperous and used to make us prosperous.

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        Geoff Sherrington

        Strop,
        Without exception, every AI “opinion” composition that I have read has been so bad that I strongly recommend their use for no more than fun value for sceptics. I wish that writers would not quote AI opinion as if it had value. We might reach a decent AI performance several years ahead, I guess without evidence.
        OTOH, I have found AI excellent to assist scientific research, such as by providing rapid and accurate answers to questions that have only one correct answer. Example, given the latitude and longitude of 100 towns, what is the kilometre distance between all pairs of towns?
        Geoff S

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    Steve

    Maybe the kids are tired of planned obsolescence, products that spy on them, and needing constant software updates/subscriptions to keep their vehicles running. There is something to be said for a purely mechanical product that you can maintain yourself without voiding the warranty and keep running multiple decades if you take care of it properly.

    I remember when I paid off my first car loan after college, how much I enjoyed that expense just dropping off my budget. I kept that car running for another decade after it was paid off, which allowed me to save an extra $30K-$50K or so that I would have spent on new cars over the course of the decade. That’s enough to put a down payment on a house.

    That’s why I don’t have much sympathy for Millennials who whine about not being able to afford a house but who can afford a new car every three years, trips to tropical locales every year for vacation while staying in a posh Airbnb, dinner out twice a week, and ordering delivery another two times a week, etc. My vacations were usually road trips and sleeping on a friend’s couch. I ate red beans and rice or Ramen far more often than I ate out or ordered in. And I drove my car until the frame rotted out from under me due to road salt. That’s how I afforded my first house.

    I can’t really blame Millenials though. They grew up in an insane consumer culture that values ‘keeping up with the Joneses’ far more than it values frugality. Maybe Gen Z sees the insanity of trying to live such a lifestyle and is reverting back to an older culture.

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      Lawrie

      I vaguely recall that the children of the flower power generation were much more conservative than their parents. Hippies died out, their children took over running the country.

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      yarpos

      Under 25s want low cost transport. They really aren’t in the new car market much, and Evs are not low cost transport. They are playthings for early adopters, virtue signallers and greenie retires.

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    David Maddison

    If the taxpayer subsidised loans don’t work they’ll make it compulsory to buy EVs or will just ban cars altogether (for non-Elites).

    Don’t forget the huge tax already being applied to large 4WDs. No doubt that will also creep down to lesser vehicles.

    The Left have always hated the freedom conferred on non-Elites by the personal motor vehicle.

    The PM drives (or is driven) in a petrol car.

    https://www.drive.com.au/news/why-the-australian-prime-minister-wont-be-in-an-electric-or-hybrid-car-anytime-soon/

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2022/09/07/moore-now-the-left-is-coming-for-your-car/

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      Graeme No.3

      Probably Chauffeur’s Union Rules. Who wants to spend hours waiting in an electric car? Particularly one that makes exit impossible when there is a fire?

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        Skepticynic

        >…one that makes exit impossible when there is a fire?

        How bizarre is this:

        Electric fire engines, or electric fire trucks (EVs), are sustainable, high-performance firefighting vehicles powered by electric motors, reducing emissions and noise in urban areas. Key examples include Victoria’s EVIE (Electric Vehicle for Incident and Emergency) and the Rosenbauer RT/RTX

        How ironic, and how dangerous!

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      Hivemind

      “they’ll make it compulsory to buy EVs or will just ban cars altogether”

      The current toxic green policy already does that. It is in the legislation, it just hasn’t quite hit the consciousness of the consumer yet.

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    Neville

    Wonderful news and I’ve been aware of this lack of interest for some time.
    Anyway, who wants to buy an EV when the resale price quickly tanks big time and the battery charging is always a problem?
    Of course, towing caravans, trailers and boats can’t be considered either. What a sick joke.

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      John F. Hultquist

      New cars experience a depreciation as you drive them off the dealer’s lot. I’ve read that for EVs this is even greater. Car rental companies bought thousands of EVs, found many drivers chose not to want them, and the Co could not make money on their subsequent sale. Hertz got the major news regarding this “fleet rotation”, but I suspect other large buyers did the same.
      Now 3-year leases seem to be the thing – I don’t know how that is working.

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      Dennis

      Maybe that’s what Labor PM Gillard was thinking about when she considered a “cash for clunkers” dumping programme?

      sarc

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    Honk R Smith

    Backlash to hi-tech vehicles.

    I buy lottery* tickets.
    Dumb I know, but I figure a 1 in billions of chance of being rich is better than zero.
    And …
    with the fact that because of stupid Net Zero goals by energy costs nearly doubled just this last month.

    Part of the attraction is fantasizing about things like buying a new car.
    But they’ve ruined that too.
    I don’t want a car that tells me when my tire pressure is a pound low, and even after I fill it, not being able to make the warning light turn off.
    Or doors that open for me and if I accidentally forget and manually push, the mechanism breaks requiring an expensive repair.
    I won’t even mention the computer screen on the dash that admonishes me not to look at it.

    Liberal progressives.
    The reason we can’t have nice things.
    Now all I have left to fantasize about is being able to afford to move to a Red state, if any will be left uninfected buy the true mind virus Pandemic.

    It’s looking like collapse is our only path to liberation.

    *It’s supposed to go to the schools … you know … for the children.

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    Angus McLennan

    Some people dont want to live under high volage power lines, so why sit right on top of a battery pack that keeps your car weight the same as carrying 5 passengers all the time. they virtue signal that you support child labour in mining and the extraction of rare earths to extinction.

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    Graeme No.3

    Years ago, I forget when/how etc there was an article about a couple who travelled Australia in a double decker bus with the lower back carrying a small car for runabout duties when they were at some town that they wanted to stay for a while. Couldn’t do that now, what with the weight of an electric let alone the difficulties with charging.
    Indeed I sometimes wonder why electric cars exist at all. Yes, I know they were the rage in 1910 (because the self starter hadn’t been invented) but since then?

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      Greg in NZ

      Electric horseless carriages 🇨🇳

      WHERE’S MY FLYING CAR!

      Around here it’s only retired and well-off old folk, wealthy immigrants from the Middle Kingdom (nihau!) and/or company staff who drive E-toys, and even then the word ‘drive’ is incorrect as the majority HAVE NO CLUE how to steer, park, reverse their ‘smart’ ticking time-bombs.

      Avoid at all costs – or at least stay 6ft away 🔥

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          Greg in NZ

          Thanks Lawrie, that was hilarious – and no I’m not referring to his ‘safety mullet’ 😃

          Don’t know if I’d be comfortable with all those lawn-mower chopping blades spinning mere inches from my head & body, plus 1 inquisitive seagull could quickly end Mullet Man’s joyride – if you call hovering above a paddock a ‘joyride’.

          BTW where do put the groceries and slab(s) of beer, let alone the missus & kids & dog & kitchen sink?

          Tip for designer: novel idea, must try harder.

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      Ronin

      ” Yes, I know they were the rage in 1910 (because the self starter hadn’t been invented). ”

      Mainly with women, as the ladies didn’t like swinging the crank handle.

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    Ronin

    ” Gen Z (18-24) were more attached to petrol engines:”

    Maybe there is some hope for the future after all.

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    Sambar

    Saw an interesting comment on ” refuelling ” ICE vehicles versus electric vehicles. Sorry now I cannot find the link the gist however is:—
    No matter how many ICE cars pull into a petrol station and starts to fill up they all receive fuel at the same flow rate, doesn’t matter one car at the pump or ten cars at the pump, all fill at the same rate.

    Electric car pulls into charge station and receives maximum charge rate and therefore shortest charge time. If ten electric cars are at the charge station at the same time then each car only receives one tenth of the available charge rate. and therefore a much longer recharge time.
    Why, well each delivery system in a petrol station has its own pump to the fuel reservoir. On the other hand electric charge stations are constrained by one singe power supply feeding all stations, hence more vehicles charging the smaller amount available for each one.

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      Greg in NZ

      Motto for the Future™️

      You will waste time and be grumpy.

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      BlokeInAShed

      There must be a transfer loss when recharging your car.
      By that I mean you buy X KWh’s from the charger, but your battery gains somewhat less than X KWh, the delta lost in heat.
      Does anybody know what the loss (spillage) is and if it is significant?
      I am sure that if petrol pumps said they dispensed 10L but only delivered 9.8L to the tank, there would be complaints.

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      Gerry

      My mate was refuelling his EV at the shops while we had a coffee …and he was regularly checking his app on the phone. It seems that if you overstay your time on the charger, the price of the electricity goes up.

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    Tony Tea

    The government’s EV Petri dish just got 70% smaller, with all the inner-city, latté-sipping bacteria crowded into one, errr, corner to avoid having to rub shoulders with the great unwashed penicillin.

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    Ross

    Gosh, we have some really smart people either in government or those influencing government don’t we?

    Yesterday’s, fuel excise increased to 52%, so those driving ICE cars are paying for this $1900 bribe to already rich people.

    The unions want to abolish both negative gearing and reduce the capital gains tax discount. They think this will help solve the housing crisis. Nothing to do with higher immigration and less house supply-that would be too sensible.

    Then just last week I see Senator Pocock banging on about the diesel fuel rebate that farmers and miners can claim. He thinks it’s an incentive for those people to use fossil fuels, which in his mind are bad.

    We have the same or more demand for gas supply into the eastern Australian market with reduced supply and the government can’t work out why gas prices keep going up.

    Australia, the lucky country. People are good, leaders are fools.

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      David Maddison

      He thinks it’s an incentive for those people to use fossil fuels, which in his mind are bad.

      It’s bizarre to think that these clowns think electric tractors or mining machinery are viable alternatives.

      He/she/it (I never assume pronouns of the Left, Australia prosecutes people for “misgendering”) probably doesn’t even know where food or minerals come from.

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        Dennis

        Waiting for the Army vehicles using battery power and the huge fleet of diesel generator trucks trying to avoid detection and enemy fire.

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      Lawrie

      Not 52% but near 52 cents. It goes to repairing our roads supposedly. It also passes through the sieve in Canberra so there would be great losses as numerous public servants fiddle and diddle. The result is you pay more but those heritage listed potholes just get bigger.

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        Ross

        Thanks Lawrie- 51.6 cents per litre. (cpl). Not %. I stand corrected :-). Today’s average unleaded price is about $1.60/L. So 32% of fuel cost is excise. So, my roads should be improving by whatever % increase that was- but they seem to be getting 10% worse every year. All I know is that EV potential drivers just got richer by $1900, thanks to you and me.

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      Ronin

      “Australia, the lucky country. People are good, leaders are fools.”

      Always was, always will be.

      That’s why we are sarcastically called ‘the lucky country’, lucky we are doing as well as we are, with the morons running the place.

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      Sceptical Sam

      Senator Pocock banging on

      Too many head-knocks.

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      Boambee John

      Donald Horne: A Lucky Country with second-rate leaders.

      Though I would question whether our leaders are as good as that.

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    Jaye Patrick

    The ACT Government announced in 2022 the end of ICE car sales by 2035.

    “Minister for Emissions Reduction (because everyone knows the ACT is instrumental in reducing catastrophic climate change) Shane Rattenbury (he’s a Green) said the phase-out of internal combustion engine cars would first apply to new light vehicles, including passenger cars, motorcycles and small trucks.

    “By 2030, the government wants 80 to 90 per cent of new light vehicles sold to be zero-emission models, with a stricter ban expected to come into force half a decade later.”

    New petrol cars to be banned…

    The comments are of particular interest – where Canberrans express their disgust.

    The ACT government predicted 1000 charging stations would be needed by 2030 (at the taxpayers expense, of course). According to the ACT government website, at 12 May 2025, there are 250 charging stations, and the declaration that they are ‘on target’. Maybe my maths ain’t mathing properly but 250 stations in three years is 500 in six years, with 83 being built every year making a total of 667 by 2030. That’s a shortfall of over 330.

    Currently, the ACT government expects between 25,000-42,000 EVs on Canberra roads by 2030. As of yesterday, there are 14,148 registered EVs.

    The stupid just carry on being stupid, no matter the contrary evidence.

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      wal1957

      I’d be happy if they put a wall around canberra.
      It’s far better to hold all the ratbags in 1 place.
      BTW Canberra is 100% renewables don’cha know! At least that’s what they claim so…
      We can cut them off from the grid and they can live happily in their own little bubble.
      The insanity continues.

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      New Chum

      Currently, the ACT government expects between 25,000-42,000 EVs on Canberra roads by 2030. As of yesterday, there are 14,148 registered EVs.
      How many of those have been purchased with taxpayer or ratepayer money?

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      Gee Aye

      The ACT Government announced in 2022 the end of ICE car sales by 2035.

      they didn’t. It’s a policy position and is not legislated.

      Shane Rattenbury is currently on the cross bench. The greens are not sharing power with Labor.

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        Strop

        When you say they didn’t. Do you mean they did but didn’t really mean it?

        https://www.climatechoices.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/2038497/2022_ZEV_Strategy.pdf

        This Strategy adopts a ZEV sales target for the ACT of 80-90% by 2030, and outlines the ACT Government’s intention to cease registration of new non-ZEVs by 2035.

        Clearly it was announced as more than just a policy. It came with a strategy to achieve it. Including incentives.
        Given they’re putting money into it, it is clearly more than just a policy idea.

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          Gee Aye

          That’s an interpretation. I think they are still testing the wind and now realise that they need to wait and see rather than go it alone.

          In any case Jaye’s error is common in the victimosphere. His lack of knowledge about the politics suggests he has never really delved any deeper than from whatever flaky source he got this from (a long time ago).

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            Strop

            Not sure how “flaky” his source is when the quotes match the stated targets announced in 2022 by the ACT, and repeated multiple times in the strategy document supporting it (linked above).
            As for Jaye’s “lack of knowledge about the politics”. Given Shane Rattenbury was the ACT Emissions Reduction Minister at the time of the announcement, surely it’s ok to refer to him when stating that the ACT announced a certain target in 2022.

            If the ACT has rescinded that policy and strategy then perhaps you can link to that happening. But if it is still the policy and current strategy then you can’t really be critical of Jaye.

            It seems maybe you’re more annoyed with the ACT’s foolishness (“still testing the wind and now realise that they need to wait and see”) but shooting at Jaye for pointing it out.

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        Ronin

        Is that a ‘Claytons policy’.

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      Froggy

      Jaye, have a look at their “hugely” expensive EV Fire trucks. 2 I believe costing many $$$’s more than conventional build and 1 hasn’t left the shed as yet (2+ years in) as it is not fit for purpose. The second broke down and is awaiting expensive repair………Canberra is an absolute joke, a disgrace.

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-18/act-fire-rescue-hybrid-electric-fire-truck-battery-issue/105542830

      Even the ABC are reporting on it.

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    Simon

    Each to their own. Most of us that have made the transition to EV will never go back to an ICE ever again. Cheaper running costs, no tailpipe pollution, better energy efficiency, faster acceleration, and better system integration. Australia is an outlier, the charging network infrastructure is really quite primitive. Newer Chinese vehicles are very sophisticated and inexpensive, if somewhat quirky. I have issues with the supply chain, so prefer the Korean alternatives.
    My one moan is that I don’t have enough time to drink a coffee anymore with the modern hyperchargers.

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      Laurie

      I suppose that makes you an ‘Electric Head’

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      wal1957

      The following is from Google AI so could be right or wrong. Who knows?

      As of January 2026, the fastest publicly available EV chargers in Australia are 400kW ultra-fast chargers deployed by Ampol (AmpCharge) and ABB, capable of charging compatible EVs from 10% to 80% in less than 30 minutes.
      Only specific, newer EVs with 800V architectures can utilize these 400kW speeds, such as the Zeekr 7X (10-80% in 16 mins) or Smart #5 (10-80% in 18 mins).

      I will add that the quoted charging speeds would apply if only 1 EV was being charged.

      Just how big is your coffee cup Simon?

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      liberator

      WTF do EV owners always bang on about the acceleration of their EV’s? Who cares?, cars go fast, zoom zoom, wow!! I’m so impressed, not. Considering there are legal maximum speed limits. The idea of being able to race off at the lights is just BS. Watch a few dash cam videos and see the consequences of being the first off the line when the lights go green, or running the yellow to miss the red. The attitude of some Tesla drivers in these videos is like the attitude of Ranger drivers, “get out of my way, I’m more important than you plebs”.

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      Ronin

      Ah Simon, a fully committed savior of the planet.

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      Boambee John

      Don’t forget that EVs cause more road damage because of their greater weight. IC vehicles contribute to the repair cost via fuel excise. EV owners currently do not contribute.

      As the numbers of IC vehicles decrease, pressure will come for EV owners to contribute. I look forward to that time, the screeches will be heard beyond Pluto.

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      “My one moan is that I don’t have enough time to drink a coffee anymore with the modern hyperchargers.”/

      Quelle dommage!

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      Hivemind

      “no tailpipe pollution”

      That is to say, it’s a coal fired vehicle, because that power you charged it with originated in a coal fired power station in QLD.

      Oh, and Australia isn’t an outlier. No country has an adequate charging network. People often brag about how they tricked the people they are visiting into letting them charge for free off of their household power.

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    Bradley Ashworth

    Love the pic – the EX30 is the car you pay 100% of the retail cost and get 70% capacity…..that should be a class action…

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      Ronin

      That’s apart from the spontaneous combustion threat.

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      Broadie

      Speaking of the Class Action against Automobile manafucturers

      What is the Isuzu class action?
      The Isuzu class action is brought by the Applicants, Geoffrey Fisher and CDR Geotechnical &
      Environmental Services Pty Ltd against Isuzu, who has been held out as the manufacturer of Isuzu DMax and MU-X vehicles supplied in Australia. The Applicants sue Isuzu on their own behalf and on
      behalf of all persons who are Group Members as defined in the proceeding.
      The Applicants allege that the Affected Vehicles were manufactured with illegal “defeat devices”, which
      caused them to emit vehicle emissions higher than Australian regulations allowed them to emit. Isuzu
      denies those allegations.
      The Applicants seek damages (that is money) from Isuzu, on the basis that:
      (a) Isuzu misrepresented that the Affected Vehicles complied with national vehicle standards;
      (b) the Affected Vehicles were not of an acceptable quality and so did not comply with statutory
      guarantees contained in the Australian Consumer Law; and/or
      (c) Isuzu has engaged in unconscionable conduct.
      Isuzu denies the allegations and says that the Affected Vehicles complied with all applicable Australian
      emissions regulations. It is defending the Isuzu Class Action.

      And like it or not you are included in the class action unless you ‘opt out’.

      What does it mean to ‘Opt out’?
      The Applicant (or Applicants) in a class action does not need to seek the consent of the Group Members
      to commence a class action on their behalf or to choose how to describe the class in a way that includes
      specific Group Members. However, after the commencement of a class action, Group Members can
      cease to be Group Members by opting out of the class action. An explanation of how Group Members
      can opt out is found below.

      How is the vehicle owner going to benefit from a class action?

      The Applicants are asking the Court to order Isuzu to pay Group Members two types of damages:1
      • Reduction in Value Damages (i.e. damages for the reduction in value of goods as a result of
      the manufacturer’s failure to comply with the Law); and
      • Compensatory Damages (i.e. damages to compensate for any actual losses suffered by a
      consumer as a result of the manufacturer’s failure to comply with the Law).

      In my opinion the only damage to the value of the vehicle is the publicity of this Class Action.

      This appears to be an allegation without evidence about emission compliance,
      And, if you win against Isuzu , the Lawyers, Financier and the Insurer are big winners and you will get what may be left from a difficult to determine loss of value judgement,
      And;
      if you lose the Lawyers and Financier are winners and you will quite probably end up in court fighting over costs.

      The biggest loser from these class actions I believe is anyone wanting to buy a vehicle in Australia from a manufacturer the Red Green Blob has targeted, having found a complicit law firm, and a suitably large ‘class’ convinced there is something for them requiring little effort or risk.

      Good luck to those owners who believe they are riding the magic carpet to reap a massive windfall.

      Happy to correct any mistakes I have made in understanding the extensive documents provided by the lawyers. There is no doubt further information to the claims being made that I am unable to access.

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      RickWill

      There probably will be a class action. Volvo refund 30% of the cost or just buy back. Their reputation is shot over this.

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    melbourne resident

    I have three diesel vehicles – one Landcruiser that has just logged up Half a Million faultless Kms, and two Subarus (the last one being the very last one available in Aus after they stopped including diesel engines). Fabulous cars. In the UK recently I hired a volvo hybrid. Whilst the engine was pretty good, the electric battery was only good for 30 to 50 kms – depending on how you drive. So in reality – you are buying a petrol driven car. If I drove the 200km from London airport to a town in the west country – it was like towing the dead weight of a useless battery around which depleted even when not required for driving. Frankly useless and I will never buy either that or a full EV. I have better things to do with my remaining income and time on this planet.

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    Dennis

    EV for city driving fair enough if willing to pay the premium retail price, accept higher depreciation/trade-in value, higher insurance premium, and even in a city the location of a recharging station not too far away and being prepared to wait much longer than refuelling an ICV.

    For country driving EV range is another problem, generally deduct 30% from the claimed to be theoretical range just for battery management system will not allow charge to drop below 10-15% and recommended 80% maximum charge to protect batteries. On road/highway some gains from regenerative braking returning electricity to batteries but higher usage rate the faster driven and loading of passengers and luggage, hills encountered, etc

    EV is not so user friendly all considered and there are too many inconvenience factors.

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    Dennis

    I purchased new late 2017 an Isuzu MUX 4WD diesel with 6-speed automatic transmission to replace a four years old diesel AWD SUV that had passed 200,000 kms with normal manufacturer recommended services on time when due. Driving and towing to many places around Australia and trouble-free.

    The Isuzu complies with Euro 5 emissions standard and could not have been registered here without meeting that standard. After almost 190,000 kms the exhaust pipe is clean so no soot or oily coating and no smoking exhaust under load. It legally tows 3,000 kg with 300 kg on the lowball and the later models can handle 3,500kg/350kg.

    Both vehicles were never polished but always kept clean and using carwash clean and wax with ceramic finish added later during the wash process. People comment on the gleaming paintwork finish. The secret I was told a long time ago be a car detailer is keep it clean and don’t allow salty dirt or other contamination to sit on the surface for any more than a couple weeks, park in the shade and preferably garage or shed.

    Mine has dual diesel fuel filters as a precaution against filling with dirty fuel at a remote area roadhouse or other service station. And I do use a diesel filter cleaner additive and a particulate filter cleaner additive as recommended by the manufacturers of those products.

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    RickWill

    BYD is the fastest growing vehicle band in Australia but I see mostly hybrid versions not the full BEV. I do not know what the actual proportions are.

    The PHEV engines are based on the Miller cycle that improves efficiency at design output. They are now getting above 40% efficiency. This is astounding for a small IC engine. Geely are also using the Miller cycle.with peak efficiency of 44%.

    The Chinese innovation in motor vehicle design and construction is breathtaking. But still not certain about the build quality. Japanese workers now have generations of embedded quality control that Korea is still trying to emulate. China on an improving trend but still behind – I think.

    Notice how Toyota are now advertising reliability with their cars still on the road:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2neBbq23lo

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    Now, why would Canberra’s ESA firefighters be concerned about “exposure to diesel particulates” from a reliable, liquid-fueled pumper truck? Don’t they have Breathing Apparatus [BA]?

    “Transitioning to an electric fleet and going across to electric fire trucks is absolutely one way of reducing [fire crew’s] exposure to diesel particulates.

    Oh, now I see …

    Meanwhile, a New Zealand designed and built Volvo electric breathing apparatus (BA) truck, spruiked as “the nation’s first zero emissions logistics vehicle” on the ESA’s website, is also off the road. … The ESA confirmed the BA truck has never been operational, but expects it will be handed over to ACT Fire and Rescue in the coming weeks for crews to begin a commissioning and familiarisation process.

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      Patrick

      IIRC that piece of apparatus got a “ream with the rough end of a pineapple” here in a previous thread.

      Along with its accompanying EV fire truck.

      I vaguely remember that the reason there has to be the “breathing apparatus truck” accompanying is that, to make a show of useful, the EV fire truck has a “dreaded diesel” powering the pump. There ain’t enough battery left over for that.

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “Virtually EVERY Financial Blow-Up In Human History…

    …. has come from one — and only one — cause.

    The taking of leverage against an asset with unstable value.”

    Much more at

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=254870

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    Sean

    I read about an EV soon to be introduced by Jeep called the Scout. It can be ordered with a range extender to recharge the battery while driving. They had expected they might get a little more than half ordered with the range extender but the actual numbers are closer to 80%.
    Range anxiety is an all to real thing with EV’s.

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    Sean

    My mistake, the Scout is VW electric vehicle and when equipes with a range extender its called the Harvester. But what I can’t find is the estimated gas mileage when using the range extender. That’s a pretty important number to know.

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    geo832

    I put EV in the same class as TV, both should be turned off with a LARGE hammer. Cheers everyone.

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    David Brown

    BYD doesn’t stand for “build your dream”. It means burn your driveway. A local byd salesman didn’t like the truth.

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