The unwashed masses drag the Liberals back closer to reality
After spending six months wallowing in the pain of indecision, the Liberal Party has done the obvious and only thing they could do and stepped back from Global Weather Control. Party members in nearly every state had been pleading for this. The polls show it has been a buried goldmine for votes in Australian politics for more than a decade (Tony Abbott won a 90 seat landslide in 2013). Minor right wing parties were stealing the conservative base out from under their feet. The Nationals, their partner party, had leapt off the Net Zero Zeppelin while tied with a military-grade kevlar-lead to the Liberals. Shadow Ministers had resigned in protest, and competitors were circling the leaders position.
Could Sussan Ley have left it even another day?
We are scraping the bottom of the barrel of Australian democracy. When asked who would be better to manage the cost-of-living-crisis, last week more than half of Australia voters aged 35 to 49 didn’t say Liberal or Labor. They said “neither“. In August, eighty three percent of Australians didn’t want the higher emissions targets the Labor Party forced on the country in September. But who could 83% of the voters vote for?
So this is democracy working (very slowly), via handicapped carrier pigeons, limping through mud in the darkness.
The Liberals will axe the carbon tax, lift the moratorium on nuclear power and drop the emissions program back to whatever most like-minded countries are doing. They might even consider building new coal plants, and are talking of keeping the old plants running for longer. Hallelujah.
Liberals capitulate to Nationals and reignite climate wars
By Phillip Coorey, Australian Financial Review
The Liberal Party has reignited the climate wars by releasing a carbon copy of the Nationals’ energy policy which claims to be able to reduce emissions and energy prices while abandoning all current targets, including net zero emissions, and extending reliance on coal and gas-fired power.
Under the new policy, the Liberals have copied every measure announced by the Nationals. These include abandoning any pursuit of net zero emissions by 2050 or any other date, and pledging to tear up Labor’s 2030 and 2035 emissions reduction targets and replacing them with much lower targets aligned with the average reductions of “like-minded countries”. The Nationals will pin their targets to the OECD average.
Some great news — Axing a carbon tax, and a free market for cars
This policy change by the Liberals was ten years too late, and cost the nation untold billions. The good news is that the new National-Liberal policy gets the big things right. Finally the Coalition says it will abolish all emissions reduction policies, such as the “Safeguard Mechanism” which is a de facto carbon tax on our largest companies effectively ratcheting up by more than 5% a year. They will also abolish the New Vehicle Efficiency Scheme — a way to force farmers, families and tradies to subsidize inner city EVs. Car manufacturers would have to raise the prices of popular fossil fuel cars and use the proceeds to subsidize uncompetitive EVs. If manufacturers don’t sell EV’s they just end up subsidizing Chinese ones.
The new Coalition policy still panders to climate sorcery, but mostly in symbolic ways. They will stick with the Paris Agreement which means turning up to the annual UN COP party and speaking in tongues but not actually doing anything. This is what most of the world does. Staying in Paris costs very little — the penalties are imaginary, the compliance is voluntary, and half the signatories aren’t meeting any of their targets anyway.
It is a great shame the Liberals don’t have the courage or intellectual wherewithal to lead Australia out of the Net Zero crony-religion. That would be real leadership. They hope by pandering on the Paris Agreement, that they won’t be called anti-science, or climate deniers, but it won’t make any difference. They might as well free themselves of the socialist shackles and make jokes about how the Labor Party think they can stop storms and hold back the tide with bug burgers and bicycles. That act of bravery and rebellion would win them the youth vote.
The Liberals need to start translating the true meaning of the cheating word games the carbon fans use:
Translating Teal-speak:
“Certainty on energy” really means “certainty on subsidies”. This is what parasites do — demand a free meal. Teals talk about ‘certainty’, but in practice they mean locking in subsidies so their billionaire backers don’t lose money.
And “evidence-based policy thinking” apparently means doing whatever the UN bureaucrats and foreign bankers tell them to do. The Teals can’t name evidence that shows carbon dioxide causes a catastrophe, they can only name climate simulations. But they don’t realize that they don’t know what evidence-based policy thinking even is.
All the Prime Minister has is namecalling
The only thing Anthony Albanese can say is to call the opposition deniers and unbelievers. (It’s all so religious, isn’t it?).
The federal Coalition was walking away from climate action, Albanese said, “because they fundamentally do not believe in the science.”
[Sky News] However, Mr Albanese claimed at a press conference on Thursday that the Liberal Party were climate denialists and were lurching to the right.
“The lesson that the Liberals have learnt from their (election) defeat… is that they need to be more right-wing, more sceptical, more in denial about climate change,” he said.
“Australia needs to move on” said Anthony Albanese, resorting to vacuous cliches as a substitute for any actual scientific or economic point.
In other psychological tricks, Net Zero is just “two words”
To make the Liberal revolt over Net Zero sound less important, the ABC and others refer to it as “two words” — as if the Liberals are just getting hung up over a couple of syllables rather than a reassessment of a policy that affects national productivity.
We are in an information war and petty word games are the ammunition the cheating team uses to cover their tracks and distract us from the real issue.
Every time the cheating team is exposed avoiding debate, using namecalling, petty insults and mindless cliches they look like manipulative pettifoggers. The trick is to make sure the public notice the mind games.
ht/ Bally, RickWill, TdeF.
ABC agit prop at its finest.
The ABC’s Jo Lauder has reported on the real meaning of Net Zero and has described it as
If that were the true definition of Net Zero – we should rejoice, as Australia is and has always been a net Carbon sink.
Of course … she also thinks that Australians should be accountable for what other countries import from Australia.
(Jo Lauder is a reporter in the climate team at ABC News, and host of the award-winning climate podcast, Who’s Gonna Save Us? She hosted the ABC podcast, Saving the Franklin, and works as a current affairs reporter with triple j’s Hack program)
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In other words Jo Lauder is fully committed to the UN definition of climate catastrophe. She, like the Labor party, now have a huge problem as they realise their religion is under attack and that there is a good chance it will be defeated. Reality is landing many punches.
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Net Zero is NOT the big problem facing Australia.
A side show for media clicks.
The financial destruction of Victoria will be the FINAL attention grabber.
A debt death spiral hidden by renewable noise.
No plan to save us from anyone at the wheel or wanting to take over the ship of state.
We will be saved from the weather if we borrow from China.
But who will pay China?
They have successfully bribed us with our own money.
Surely there is no-one more stupid than an Australian government.
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The UK Govt is working hard to keep the ‘most stupid Govt’ title !!
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Geoff, you have fingered the problem.
It worries me greatly that so many educated people do not understand that one state by running up debt can break the nation. and two states have been trying hard to do it.
Queensland may be escaping the trap it as in, but Victoria will be a while yet.
If you expect to need a house in Melbourne, soon should be the time to buy it.
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Net Zero was dreamt up by the climate blob to sell their ideology in a more sexy way. The blob knew talking endlessly about the “science” just bored people witless. So, they handed it over to marketing. Marketing thought “Coke zero” was a winner let’s go with something similar. Possibly the first version was “Carbon zero”, but that still had a bit of science about it. So it became Net Zero. In reality, most people ( like Jo Lauder) have no clue what it really means. It’s why Scott Morrison signed up to it, because when he was called Scotty from Marketing, the slur actually fitted him perfectly.
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Jo Lauder is certainly not alone.This is part of the article “It’s time for the Liberals to catch up with the electorate on climate” in today’s Australian
If anything, the Coalition should consider itself fortunate climate change wasn’t more salient in the 2025 election. There is no other issue where the Liberals are so far underwater, at least given the policies they took to the election. To the extent climate gets even a whiff of political oxygen, the Liberals go backwards fast, their vote share dragged towards the 87-13 two-party-preferred outcome reported by climate-motivated voters in 2025.
The Liberals’ dilemma is that climate change and the energy transition aren’t going away.
Millennials report being more politically animated by climate and the environment in 2025 than any other generation, as is their preference for Labor over the Coalition on climate issues.
Similarly, 70 per cent of Gen Z and 66 per cent of Millennials say the threat of climate change is “very” or “fairly” serious, a figure that falls to the high 40s in older generations.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/its-time-for-the-liberals-to-catch-up-with-the-electorate-on-climate/news-story/71c4e88b10ded6c92aae96e0d9d40c22
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Yet again, the meaningless survey questions that ask if people “believe” in climate change without asking them if they are willing to pay for it, or if they care more about cost of living, immigration, and health care.
The Labor-Green-ABC Blob fool themselves (and you) with these junk surveys all the time. In May when the IPA asked Australian voters, a mere 7% were willing to pay more than $2 a week to stop climate change.
If the Labor Party thought people wanted more climate action they would have campaigned on it. Instead they said nothing and delayed updating their Paris Target until after teh election. The ALP know it is electoral poison.
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Hi Jo. It’s easy to argue that Australians are already paying more than $2 week for this scam. Higher electricity costs are obvious and then we have the hidden taxes that TdeF has recently been posting about.
The media fails to inform the public and the useless conservative Liberal party are no better.
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Jo,
the problem is the Young have bought the Kool Aid of Climate Change/Global warming through Peer Pressure – TEALs are just like us in Age & Socially, while with the Grandkids, Brain washing since pre school all the way to Uni.
Discussing with one of my many Brother-in-Laws at Family Lunch last Sunday, we both have Rabid Climate Change/Global Warming “Religious” Fantatic Daughters, who think we are both Dinosaurs – PS He is also a Engineer, Mechanical & Mining
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I define “Net Zero” as the amount of money the little Aussie will end up with, at best, if the Net Zero Scam is allowed to run its full course.
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The liberals haven’t left the climate scam, they’ve just accepted it’s key doctrines and locked it in at a different level of pain.
True cancellation would have revealed a plan out of the mess, including ending all subsidies for unreliable generators and the release of a cost benefits analysis for Snowy 2. That should be just the first couple of steps. In the weeks that follow, abandon all climate policies that have caused harm to local industry and have raised the cost of living. I just can’t see them doing it, they believe in the religion, they can’t and they won’t fully turn their back on their faith.
In reality, this press release has not cancelled the climate scam, it’s just muddied the water. I’ve now got less confidence in where they would take us if they were elected. If anything, the top of the fence has just been blurred but they are still sitting on it. And based on previous form, they’ll fall to the side that does the most harm.
They are from the government and they’ll Rudd you at every opportunity.
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Exactly the point. They’re keeping Paris, they’re keeping “5 year targets if in office,” they’re “seeking annual emission reductions.”
Half pregnant. OK, they may “believe” the CO2 scare is mallarchy but for mine they are still having an each way bet. They’ll build coal with carbon capture and storage – they are still setting policy on the basis of non-existant technology and dream scenarios. Dropping net 0 is a start but from a policy perspective they are still lying, they are still Labor Lite, still big Gummint, still about controlling our choices. They have more work to do to win me back.
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This is a war of attrition, we have just won a huge battle, but there is more work to do.
Primarily in the direction of climate, the people demand the truth, does CO2 cause global warming or is it just a harmless trace gas that greens the planet.
Which is why Albo is running scared, imagine Hastie as Opposition Climate and Energy Minister.
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Tim, a couple of things:
1. Better to have an each way bet then put every dollar straight up, if you’re looking for a return.
2. They’re not betting on non-existent technology. Rather, they’ve made it clear: nuclear, coal fired power stations (both new and extended life for those still operating) and gas.
They’re about reducing the cost of energy and hence reducing the cost of living for Australians.
You need to rejoice, at long last the democratic response to the authoritarian green left is arriving.
Which other alternative political party could deliver the votes to chop the saboteurs off at the knees? Get on-board. It’s happening.
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The “ new, modified version “ will float until around February or March 2026 when Ley the “ leader “ is dumped from office. That’s when the full policy with dumping of subsidies, dumping of Paris Accord will happen!
If not it’s back to square one & One Nation’ s fortunes will quadruple.
LNP coalition will wither & die.
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Ley will remain as leader throughout 2026 if she reshuffles the front bench.
Hastie will rise from the depths and there are three others who will need settling in. Keep them occupied and fully engaged with the prospect of winning government, they won’t plot against her.
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I know I am dreaming G but then we could pull out of the UN and just power(no pun intended) OUR own great Country forward. Am I wrong to want the very best for my Country ???……I am in the Construction sector…it is full of roadblocks and tapes of every colour…..so difficult to get anything done…and how we build today compared to how we built 50 years ago (when I wore a nailbag !!!!!!) is much more advanced.
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Brad Batton was asked about the LNP dumping NetZero. He said that was only the Federal level. Victoria Libs are full onboard with NetZero.
That means the best fuel source in all of Australia is locked away for a long time to come.
Back in 2016 I dismissed wind power as a source of reliable generation because it goes missing for long periods and needs massive storage to work as a dispatchabkle source. And it does not support solar because it goes missing around May-June when solar is not doing its best.
So that leaves solar. In October 2023 grid solar across the NEM produced 1335GWh with no curtailment. In the last 30 days, grid solar produced 1708GWh while 532GWh of potential was curtailed. So it is showing how rapidly rooftops are eroding the market for grid scale solar.
Rooftops are now serving 50% of the lunchtime demand at this time of year. The grid is an absolute mess. It is going to take a long time to recover, There is no chance that any State government will admit the disaster and accept scheduling only dispatchable generators.
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Roof top solar certainly does have curtailment. An off grid system is curtailed once the batteries are charged and any inverter that is constrained by the grid voltage being too high, (happens a lot), is also curtailed.
I think the correct wording would have been domestic supply is supplied by roof top solar when it is available and the power demand is ‘likely’ in the order of nnn MWHr. I still doubt the MWHr numbers being reported on numerous websites, the energy is not metered or at least not available to the grid for analysis.
One thing is for sure, anyone with solar panels, if they can, is going to use more of that power when it is available and obviously free, they may even be using more now than they ever did by ensuring that their hot water system and any pool pumps are running only in daylight hours and for the pool pump, it may be running more now than it ever has, similar for A/C.
I’d like to see the method used to provide the numbers on the domestic solar power generated. My simple guess is that it is based on the sunlight hours and the installed volume of panels and that’s all. An optimistic calculation that may not even allow for breakdowns and system failures.
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Actual meted data gives the same story as the open NEM. The grid metering tells us that grid demand in SA went MINUS 14MW in Q3 2025. There is no doubting that because it is based on calibrated instruments for commercial purposes.
The impact of distributed PV growth was evident in minimum demand levels, with the NEM as a whole (10,175 MW), New South Wales (3,265 MW), Queensland (2,790 MW) and South Australia (-14 MW) all recording new lows for Q3 minimum demand.
From Executiver summary of AEMO Q3 report.
AEMO need to be able to predict the rooftop demand because they need to be prepared for passing weather fronts. They now allow SA to run with only one OCGT on line so they need to be mindful of the weather and how quickly load can change.
There is a naive belief that rooftops cannot power the entire grid but SA is proof that is a fantasy. Rooftops ana household batteries are not going to power BSL and Tomage for 24 hours but they could power them over lunch.
I asked the AEMO webinar; Is utility scale solar in South Australia stranded assets? The question got the flick. I will keep asking if they allow me into future webinars.
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My point is as follows. Assume JUST solar generation for this thought experiment.
SA, as an example, may generate 1MW of electrical energy at their solar factories. This is metered.
SA may send 5MW over the fence. This is also metered.
BUT how do you know that the solar panels on the roof produced anything more than 4MW, (being the difference of the amount sent over the fence minus the amount generated at the large solar factories?
The amount consumed downstream of the domestic electricity meter is not metered. You can never know if that number is small, medium or large. All AEMO, or anyone else for that matter, can do is guess what has been produced based on the installed number of panels and a guess of the amount of sunlight received.
Solar factories, as per their own metering, are soon to be, if not already, a stranded string of assets. But I don’t believe the energy numbers quoted for the roof top solar to be much more than +/- 30% of the true value.
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Because the grid sees the demand when there is heavy cloud cover. They have to be able to predict the demand to some degree of certaintanty to know how much and when back-up may be needed.
There will be a growing amount of completely hidden demand. As far as the grid is conserned I do not run fridge or freezer. They have been off grid for 13 years As is your demand and Ross’s demand. It is now relatively easy to go of grid.
I have about 10 devices that run off grid with their own wall panels and batteries. My outdoor pond pump has been off-grid for 14 years. Still with the original LFP battery.
It does not matter if rooftop has an error of 30% because they are currently able to supply the entire demand in SA and the rest of Australia is not far behind. You do not need to know what rooftops are supplying when the grid demand is zero. That is when it will be difficult for coal plants.
There is a lot of unrealised potential already with rooftops because they are being automatically curtailed. Every household battery that goes in realises some of that potential. It means the rooftop solar supplies the grid for longer.
Most days at present, my grid demand is zero. I start exporting on a sunny day around midday. At 3pm it is not being curtailed. I am exporting 2.1kW, voltage is 249V and battery is full. I do not know if I was curtailed earlier in the day after the battery was charged.
So if I had neighbours with just batteries, they could be charging using my solar. At present it just robs more demand from the coal generators. Wind and grid solar are already partially curtailed. All mainland regions have negative wholesale price at 3pm. Brown coal is being exported from Victoria. Some into SA, where the rooftops are down somewhat.
Before rooftops started going in, the peak demand was inevetibaly around the middle of the day. You would now need to completely blanket the sun to see that now. We may see it during a full eclipse. That is now the biggest risk to the NEM.
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Rick, When a cloud goes over the grid will surely have to ramp up. BUT is that because the supply fell by 100% or only 10% and did it occur over an established portion of the grid or just a random portion. This method of analysis is rubbery at best. I think my assessment of +/- 30% was being more than fair. It could be a lot worse.
With regard to comparisons of past peaks and demand curves, I think you can throw them out with the bath water. 10 years ago, before solar really got a foothold we used to have Ford and Holden cars. Like them, industry has gone. I’d not be banking on history as a guide for future demand beyond the next 12 months, even then I’d take it with a pinch of salt. It only takes a major consumer to switch off and all numbers go out the window.
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When the rooftops shut down in the evening around 8pm, the evening demand is 1700MW. The daily peak is typically 1800MW now all being supplied by solar.
Without solar. the peak demand was historically in the middle of the day. You can bet the South Australia still has its peak real demand in the middle of the day as OpenNEM shows and it would not be surprising to have it 100MW above the 8pm demand.
I doubt the forecasting has an error less than a few percent but it does not matter because the midday demand is not zero. And there is spare rooftop solar contributing to exports.
Motor vehicle manufacturing are small loads compared with things like Port Pirie smelter and Whyalla blast furnace. Whyalla also has iron ore export loading facility. Then water supply and sewage treatment. Some of the wineries are not small fry either. There is still manufacturing in SA but none of it huge – re this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_Australian_manufacturing_businesses
All of that is being run from rooftops at lunchtime as well as all the city buildings.
This is also plenty of roof space for more panels:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/qzvDVUKz82e8nxdt7
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Rick, a negative demand does not mean rooftops are supplying the grid it just means that rooftops are supplying the local neighbourhood and so has reduced the demand, there is no excess electricity going into the grid just no one using it from the grid. once the local grid is supplied the voltage increases and the rooftop solar is curtailed. There is no way that a local grid can jump up to 33kv and share with others in the state it is just a fallacy. it is just creative accounting to say that because there is more supply than demand then the excess can power the whole grid, it cant and never will unless all the transformers on the poles at the end of every street are upgraded and to my knowledge that has not happened and never will due to the cost.
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The negative demand is for the entire State of South Australia. So it means the rooftops are supplying enough for the whole State with a bit to spare to send to Victoria. The MINUS 14MW is a measured value based on instrumentation. It is not some arbitrary number plucked out of the air.
South Australia still has lead smelter and I think at least some of Whyalla is still running. So these are industrial loads all being fed from rooftops.
Distributers have spent big to get rooftop power up the grid. And South Australia is the best example of that in the entire world. They are down to just idling one CCGT at 80MW combined when the Heywood interconnector is in operation. Open the link and place curser on the chart at 1pm 11 Nov:
https://explore.openelectricity.org.au/energy/sa1/?range=7d&interval=30m&view=discrete-time&group=Detailed
Look at the table on right and see the flows from each class of generation. The top of the yellow may not be 100% accurate but it does not matter because all the other flows are metered for commercial purposes.
You are saying something that is provably wrong. To think that rooftops are not capable of powering heavy industry at lunchtime is incorrect. Rooftops do that almost every day in South Australia.
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And remember that Vic Libs, in collaboration with their Labor partners, voted to ban fracking in the state constitution.
The Vic Libs don’t want to get elected. Why would they? They don’t believe in anything and the ones already in Parliament have relatively secure seats, get to go to lots of cocktail parties, have lots of taxpayer funded travel, retirement, good pay and other benefits and don’t have to think or work very hard. My local Liberal MP’s previous highest station in life was as a children’s birthday party entertainer and that’s fine but hardly conducive as experience for high office.
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Victoria is in such dire straights that it will have to collapse completely before it can be rebuilt. Why would anyone want such a poisoned chalice?
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So what happens when you get the weather pattern that covered the entire south east of NSW for 21 days in July 2015 – zero wind and 100% cloud cover.
That stretched from the south western edge of Sydney all the way down to the Victorian border and all the way out west of Wagga Wagga and Dubbo.
Absolutely SFA power from either wind or solar for 3 complete weeks.
While not common, this sort of weather pattern does occur, and occurs in South Australia as well. If it hits SA no amount of rooftop solar is going to stop it collapsing the entire SEA power grid.
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So not unlike the UK left wing Tory party then.
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This ship as not yet stopped in the water. Sometime between Monday and Friday Bowen should be looking for a new job.
And who else?
At the. same time, the coalition should be doing their sums.
The two words come logically from the CO2 lie. Now to demolish the CO2/CH4 lies.
It shouldn’t be difficult. Start with The Blob’s intention to tax agriculture’s recycled “emissions” on the same basis as fossil emissions.
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the thing is we don’t know what foreign interests (like the UN) have over us, comply or we wont trade with you is a bigger threat than 50% tariffs. every incoming PM is told they cant rock the boat. The Libs want to rock the boat but know it will cost the country heaps so they are trying to have a bet each way.
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If the Coalition and all other parties just followed the data we would have more coal, gas or nuclear and we would’ve saved endless billions of $ over the past decades.
Just look up the data in five minutes, so what’s their problem?
Toxic W & S are a disaster and ensures we’ll waste TRILLIONs of $ for a ZERO return and destroy thousands of klms of our pristine environments forever.
Don’t forget that our energy security equals national security, so why does Labor etc deliberately ignore the data?
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They are not Labour, they are Marxists.
Nothing at all like the Feral Guv’ment when Bob Hawke was PM.
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Bob Hawke worked for Australia. This lot work for themselves. It’s Jerry Pournelle’s iron law at national level.
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Hawke was a Marxist alright. Remember his support. for Bond? Even as Bond was doing the things that landed him in Gaol?
Or his vilification of Nobby Clark for refusing to join his NAB on their road to ruin.
Everybody knew that what they were doing had to bring on a bust. Hawke ensured that Australia contributed its fair share to the crash of 1987.
So they got their crash on cue, but Hawke and his international mates were outsmarted.
The. people on top of the pile could still remember the 1930s. There’s not much fun to be had on a pile that’s flat.
So, instead of extracting every pound of flesh they took losses sufficient to prevent a collapse, which left them still on top, and the Marxists still on the outer.
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Good things come to those who wait but we really had to wait too long. In the meantime Labor got a march on those who should have known better. I am tired of hearing about the “science” when, for two decades, we have known that the science was rubbish, pushed by universities more interested in government grants than in seeking the truth. University science is so corrupted it surprises me that any of it can ever be accepted again. I thought science included debate but debate has been shut down so science is now religion. The Coalition has to also tackle the crap coming from the BoM and CSIRO. They might look at reducing the grants going to universities. Let’s have a real shakeup.
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The Liberal Party cannot be said to be out of the climate change camp. It is only doing the barest minimum to create the impression that it is abandoning the hoax – otherwise it would have acted far more decisively long before now.
It is corrupt at its core and must be allowed, nay encouraged, to collapse so the actual conservatives can replace that half of the UniParty masquerading as the opposition.
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I completely agree. This is a cosmetic change.
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You don’t accept that the Liberal “Wets” have been defeated?
The “Wets” will come on-board or resign from the Liberal Party. They should not have won pre-selection in the first place.
That they did shows how the Liberal Party has been infiltrated and sabotaged by the left.
Look no further than Matt Kean and his comrades for the proof.
And, a final point: dismiss Turnbull from the Liberal Party. Drum him out. He’s a white ant. A parasite.
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‘I care about climate too’: Ley’s plea to Gen Z
Politics latest: Sussan Ley’s bid to get young voters on-side amid fears dumping net zero will alientate them
Affordability the focus in Ley’s plea to get Gen Z, millennials on-side
Sussan Ley is continuing her press run with a plea to get young, inner-city voters on-side amid fears dumping net zero could alienate bases the Liberals were desperate to claw back.
Speaking on Sky News, Ms Ley insisted she cares about the climate and put the interests of “Gen Z and millennials” as her top priority.
“Young Australians have told me that they care about climate and I care about climate too,” Ms Ley said.
“(Dumping net zero) is about the national interest. It’s about the right thing for our country, and most importantly, it’s about what’s right for Gen Z and millennials who, right now, can’t afford to buy a home, can’t pay their power bills, and are looking at a government that is set to deliver them a worse standard of living than their parents.
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There go the people. I am their leader . I must follow them.
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Which way did they go?
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That’d make a good “T” shirt.
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I won’t consider that the Liberal Party has truly dropped Net Zero unless they also drop Paris.
They still believe in anthropogenic global warming and are just delaying the pain of Net Zero Prosperity.
They are trying to be fence sitters, as usual because they don’t truly believe in anything and just “go with the flow”.
They are leaderless and clueless, like the rest of Australia, present company excepted.
Don’t get too excited about it.
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Some people would say that there is no need to drop Paris.
Paris has already fallen.
Maybe that is about the climate policy…. maybe not. You chose.
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Paris means nothing.
Paris is dead.
Long live Paris.
Vote Liberal.
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Not even Susssan Ley can be half pregnant. It’s all or nothing!!
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Don’t forget former Liberal MP Matt Kean, who is (or was? it’s not clear) leader of the Far Left so-called “moderate” faction of the Liberals who are in charge is such a fanatical true believer in Anthropogenic Global Warming that he has the confidence of the Slime Minister and Blackout Bowen:
He left Parliament in June 2024 and the sooner he leaves The Party better.
He is an even more fanatical warmist than most Labor Luddites.
He is part of the Photios far Left faction, falsely calling the faction the “Moderates” when they are far Left extremists infiltrated into the party.
He now works for for the Climate Change Authority as its Chair and also as a Non-Executive Director and Director of Regulatory Affairs and Strategic Partnerships at the climate investment firm Wollemi Capital. Additionally, he is a Non-Executive Director for the Australian Wildlife Conservancy.
The fact that he was appointed to the Climate Change Authority by Albanese and Bowen ought to indicate where Kean’s loyalties lie.
There are many more like him in the Liberal Party, possibly a majority.
Unless they are removed the Liberals might as well officially merge with Labor. At least people will know where they stand then. There is no point having a separate party which is at least as Leftist as Labor is.
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Note well: The leader (or former?) of the Far Left “moderate” faction of the Liberal Party, Matt Kean, has the full confidence and support of the PM and the Anti-energy Minister.
The present “leader” of the Party is Sussssssan Ley of the same “moderate” faction.
Does anyone see a problem here?
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Drum ’em out of the Party. Along with the big parasite Turnbull, as well.
In the interim the rationalists are in the ascendency.
Rejoice at what has happened.
Change is on the way.
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We shall see. Ley has done this to maintain her leadership, nothing more. She follows Net Zero because she was told to.
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I’m not at all interested in what the Windbags of The World say. My attention is on what they do. Or don’t do. And I don’t bother looking at how either is (mis)reported by the MSM.
Whether looking at England, Australia, NZ, Canada, the US . . . I’m seeing the same thing. No connection at all between the two – possibly even an inverse correlation.
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EV = Envomental Vandalism or Economic Vandalism. Take your pick.
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Enviromental I mean…………
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Can any party deliberately ignore the OWI Data evidence and continue to lie to the Aussie voters?
The world’s co2 emissions have SOARED since 1945 and the NON OECD since 1950, while the OECD emit less annual co2 today than they did in 1988.
Isn’t it time the clueless OECD countries started to wake up and follow the data?
Can’t they just spend five minutes online and save tens of TRILLIONs of $ by 2050 and ensure they have ongoing energy security and therefore more national security?
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?country=OWID_WRL~OECD+%28GCP%29~Non-OECD+%28GCP%29
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Nev, maaate I know how you feel about the facts being glaringly obvious showing the hyped-up AGW/Climate Change scam being propagated by conmen and imbeciles is so transparent it’s not funny. However there comes a time when you look around and observe how far our land of tribes has descended into a dumbed down, low information, (thanks social media) society, there is little to no hope of recovery from the impending crash landing. When the disaster hits, maybe, just maybe, there might be a return to sanity with common sense breaking out.
We can rant and rave about all we like but we just get one vote every three years, so kick back, have a drink, don’t worry, be happy and get ready.
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The Government calls them names…
Perfectly summed up by Johannes Leak Cartoon in The Australian Commentary Today
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LOL.
An Economic SuiSlide.
Top stuff.
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The government is now working out how to sell an about-face on Net Zero.
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Bill Gates walked away. It seems to have been a watershed moment. Great.
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Much as I despise the bloke, I would have to agree. Although his mea culpa moment was done in a rather sneaky way. He chose to release his statement via a small social media channel, so it hasn’t got much traction in the MSM.
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The climate change MSM want to bury the story. But they cannot. Bill Gates is news. Elon Musk is news. Israel is news. No one cares about Dahomey or Nigeria or Albanese.
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Dont get too excited about this (or even Ley/Littleproud) They haven’t walked away from Climate Change or Net Zero – only the 2030/2050 dead line.
The agenda is still there.
Remember (1) …
Global Warming is not the problem, but the solution to the problem.
The problem is … How do we get rid of democracy and free-market capitalism and replace them with One World Government by us billionaire oligarchs? The solution is … Invent a global environmental crisis that we can use to scare the population into surrendering up their rights and liberties and hand over control to us.
That’s going nowhere. Just the timing that is changing for the moment.
And Remember (2) …
They want it to appear like it’s our idea to get rid of democracy and free-market capitalism. They want us to beg them to take over from the failed system that they have themselves crashed – so that there will be no resistance. They want people like Albanese, Ley, and Littleproud in the government to make their job of taking over easier.
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They tried that in 1975.
It’s time politicians really understood that the Australian voters are very patient, but once their hip-pocket nerve is touched, they react.
The reaction is coming. Just like in 1975 when the authoritarian left extremists where ousted in one of the greatest drubbings in Australian political history.
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I love your optimism Sam but i regret to inform you it’s misplaced bordering on delusional. The Liberal Party is dead in the water in its current iteration and unelectable. It hasn’t done anything more than put a bandaid on a knife wound to stem the votes bleeding out to the Nats and ONP. The LibLab Uniparty is a globalist controlled entity and, short of a violent revolution, it has no intention of reversing course to do the right thing.IMHO only one of two things will happen-a viable 3rd party will rise up and start stripping all conservatives from the LibLab Uniparty, or the nuclear option-revolution. Remember, if voting made a difference, they would make it illegal.
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never mind the science, ignore all the evidence, good work in destroying any credibility – given that it was the Liberals who signed up for net zero. given that 86% of the world’s population understand that man made global warming is a thing, there is a phone box available for those who are unable to accept these facts.
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Oh dear.
Are you alluding to scientific fact being decided by “consensus”?
If “fact” is to be established by consensus, especially by people who have been subject to extreme indoctrination in a dumbed-down “education” system with an aversion to science and reason, then it’s not science, it’s propaganda.
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What was it Einstein said?
… just one fact…
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Where is this 86%?
The USA, China, India, Indonesia and many others are not adhering to any Paris Agreememnt. China and India and many others are building more Coal Fired Power Plants. And, using Australian Coal.
What a larf’.
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Surprised the 97% figure wasn’t quoted.
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What the “86% of the world’s population” understands to be the truth is driven purely by the MSM, a body that has never had a meaningful relationship with the truth.
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PF what’s wrong with the true facts or data?
SLR today about 1.5 mm year and no acceleration. That’s just 6 inches by 2125.
Polar bears booming and 400% increase since 1950.
Coral islands ( 87%) are either stable or increased in size over the last 40 years.
Increased co2 has caused a GREENING of the Earth compared to 40 years ago.
All crops show higher yields, all people enjoy higher calories today.
Poor Africa’s population up by over 1300 million since 1950 and that’s a 660% increase in just 75 years.
Africa’s Life expectancy just 36 years in 1950 and 64.5 years today. THINK about these facts.
Why have death rates from fires and burns dropped so far since 1980 and Aussies near the lowest compared to other wealthy countries?
So where’s our dangerous CC in 2025 and why do you always IGNORE the data?
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Another fake UN document. So which continents don’t care for your beliefs? China. America. India. Russia. South America, central America, Mexico. All of Africa. It’s easier to count the few stupid countries who believe in seppuku, leaving 96% of the world’s population doing nothing.
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They do not understand it because it is a religious belief. And that is beyond understanding.
It has been preached for a generations now hat the end is coming and the climate just gets better. Food production better. Lower maximum temperature and lower range in temperature. Less intense cyclones.
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‘ … climate change is on people’s minds everywhere. Globally, 56 percent said they were thinking about it daily or weekly.’
That is probably true, the propaganda has been intense.
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Yeah, I think of it fairly often too. To wonder about how wrong the MSM stories are, where the pollies got their beliefs from, and why our head of CSIRO has got away for years with refusing to answer Senator Roberts questions above proofs.
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Senator Roberts is one of us and I’m confident One Nation will support the Coalition on climate change and energy.
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97% of rational people know that you’re talking through your hat. Still.
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What’s Albanese’s co2 footprint again? Is it a crisis or not? He would rather burn copious amounts of jet fuel so he can stuff his face with ice creams in Italy than to use video calls for his PR stunt meetings, where the decisions have already been made by Canberra bureaucrats.
One Trip: Brazil, Cambodia, Canada, Cook Islands, France, Germany, Italy, Laos, Lithuania, Malaysia, the Philippines, Peru, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Spain, Thailand, Tonga, Ukraine, Vanuatu, Vatican City, and Vietnam
Two Trips: China, India, Singapore, New Zealand, and the United Arab Emirates
Three trips: Fiji, Japan, Papua New Guinea, and the United Kingdom
Four Trips: Indonesia
Seven trips: The United States
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Last night when David Littleproud proudly announced that the “science was settled” I wondered why he was against net zero?
There remains no understanding of the science, no passion, no conviction, and no way I could vote for this mob.
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Both Littleproud and Ley are leaders in name only.
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Well Littleproud admits that he is not academically gifted(whatever that is ) so he will trust the experts. A box full of blunt tools.
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Extract from The Australian Spectator
14th of November, 2025 –
“The Liberal Party has not dropped Net Zero. They have merely ditched the official Net Zero 2030 and 2050 targets and made some sort of pinky-promise not to dwell on the phrase ‘Net Zero’, replacing it will ‘clean energy’ and ‘emissions reduction’.
As for the actual destructive policy in the background that leads to parasitic grants, subsidies, industrial-scale renewable projects, and expensive bureaucracies inhabited by former politicians … all of that remains.”
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With minority government today, we are heading to coalition government like Germany. Especially if the common enemy is net zero. And more windmills and solar farms. Electricity prices are enough to unite everyone against Labor/Greens/Climate200. A common enemy unites everyone. And gives Labor and Green voters a way out.
Don’t forget that lifelong Green voters are starting to see the devastation of the landscape, the electricity prices, the loss of habitats, the sheer environmental ugliness. For what? Christine Milne and Bob Brown are aghast at windmills in their backyards. They have created a monster which will destroy their backyards too and they are just starting to understand what they have done.
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The Liberals should focus on education about the Anthropogenic Climate Change Scam, not trying to support it.
There are plenty of famous people such as Ian Plimer, Peter Ridd, Jennifer Marohasy, Tony Heller, Jo Nova etc. plus regular people who are contributors to this blog, who would be delighted to train party members and provide them with educational materials for distribution to the masses.
Also see 500 people here, including 75 Australians:
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I would also like to add Stewart Franks, Don Aitkin, David Evans, Tom Quirk and William Kininmonth.
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The increasingly hypothetical party?
Or the existing hyperpathetic parties?
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The problem is that in Australia and unlike America, you have to vote for someone. And like America and the UK, Australia has for a long time been a two major party system. But that is changing.
In the US the very violent ‘extreme left’ is trying to dominate the Democrats. AntiFA are black shirted Fascists and anarchists operated and protected by the Democrat extreme left and clearly supported by mayors and governors and a large part of Congress. And now they hate John Fetterman and now the others who voted to end a pointless government shutdown. It was another typical hostage situation with many Americans including Democrat voters as hostages. Six weeks of hell for many because the Democrats lost the election. And by any measure, it was an own goal for the Democrats, no matter how the media spins it.
Not before time, Nancy Pelosi has resigned as the January 6th investigation rolls on. Her solo effort in inventing the disaster and jailing a thousand innocent people will not be forgotten, not least by her victims. Or her uncanny ability to be a far more profitable investor than any professional investor group in the country. Just lucky, I guess.
But I can see the emergence of more parties in other countries other than the ancient tree hugging communist Greens. More conservative parties and more moderate socialist parties.
It will be a much simpler world without the Chicken Little/Henny Penny Climate agenda and 315,000 inexplicable giant windmills putting the Easter Island statues to shame. And the IOC has banned male athletes in female sports. Countries are setting to deport so called refugees, say Syrians from Poland and Sweden is looking at a Stockholm where hand grenades explode every night. As for the Asian grooming gangs in the UK, words fail. A total failure of immigration and governance.
Sense is starting to dominate, led by America under Donald Trump. Melei, Meloni and Farage. Even France is considering a move away from the extreme socialist left in many ways. And when Trump finally steps off the world stage, there is a line of very competent, qualified, young people ready to carry the baton. The world of Soros, Sanders, Corbyn, Merkel is at a tipping point.
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And for Americans, Australia has compulsory voting. Not as you think because people think it a better system, but because in one election in Western Australia, as isolated a place you could get on a continent, only 16% of people bothered to vote. Migrants to Australia came to get away from politics and governments and taxes and religious persecution, just like early American migrants. They didn’t vote because they didn’t want a government or to be bothered with it. So now everyone has to vote.
That is why the emergence of more choices is a good thing because both major parties stink.
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The voting paper for the lower house should have a category/nominee titled: NONE OF THE CANDIDATES.
If this nominee “wins” the election is “held again” with the top three actual people primary vote recipients not eligible to be on the ballot.
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To continue on the idea of NONE of the CANDIDATES.
The last Senate ballot papers allowed you to shorten the number of candidates to (what some people would think is) a reasonable number. This would result with a number of parties/candidates receiving a total vote marking which is smaller than the number of papers.
An interesting piece of data would be the total numbers of “missing vote marks” for each party.
Some might say an indication of “over my dead body” or a putrid smell vote count?
Has this data ever surfaced from the AEC?
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We don’t have compulsory voting; you don’t have to vote for anybody. We have compulsory attendance or else you cop a fine, what a democracy. It’s a secret ballot you can choose to do with it as you like, draw pictures all over it, rip it up, stick it in your pocket.
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Again that’s the Australian spirit. You can also vote for people with no chance at all of winning, another traditional Australian vote. And we have preferential voting which means that in many electorates the person with the most votes can be beaten. Allowing one of a group of unpopular people to win if the other unpopular people agree. This is considered fair.
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I still reckon a simple change to optional preferential voting in the Reps would at least reduce, and maybe remove the flow of votes to unintended targets. And remove the power of manipulation of preference deals.
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The better change would be to introduce a certain minimum percentage of the vote in the Upper Houses before you can receive preferences.
That would get rid of the preference whispered candidates who get a couple of hundred votes and still manage to get a seat where the major parties need to get 40,000 plus to achieve a quota.
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If one looks at Britain (or maybe Ireland? France?) one can ask the question – When will the Global Warming catastrophe start to bite? The date we are told by the experts seems to be some un-specified time in the future. Worse case scenario seems to be decades rather than years. And yet Britain (Ireland and France) all appear to be teetering on the brink of economic and social collapse right now. Will they last till the end of the year? The so-called existential threat of Global Warming is a second order concern compared with what they face right now. (Have you noticed how Tehran is on the brink due to water management issues? – another few million refugees into Europe? Tehran faces evacuation as water supplies reach zero.)
We may be in a slightly better space than Britain, but I’m thinking its not that different here. The Libs need to focus on the First Order existential issues – Immigration, Debt, House prices.
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This shows that Australia has got, in Albanese, a PM with low emotional intelligence.
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His IQ is Net Zero.
Same as Blackout Bowen’s, Wenny Pong, Dim Chalmers, Tony the Right Burke and many others in the Marxist Party. Same goes for Teals and the bed wetting Libs. Oh, and the Greens.
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Not only ditch Net Zero, ditch ALL subsidy programs to the green blob. Make all energy providers bid at least an hour into the future (I would prefer 24hrs but, hey, you gotta give them a chance to make good) with huge penalties if you provide less than you bid for. Simply bidding alone will be enough to drive out any “renewable” except hydro.
As for the Teal electorates, if the Libs get back in, I propose the energy sector makes full use of smart meters and curtail any energy to every house in said electorates when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow. I couldn’t imagine inflicting “dirty” power use on these precious petals
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I agree with bidding an hour into the future, if not more. But I live in a Teal seat and there is no way I want or are ever going to accept a smart meter. Why should I, over my dead body. I want my energy whatever the weather is, just like it used to be when it also was also cheaper too.
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And “Antifa is just an idea.”
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BTW here’s the latest update for Aussie region cyclones 1969 to 2024 from the BOM.
Both types of cyclones show a lower trend and the more recent 2015 to 2016 year is the only period WITHOUT SEVERE cyclones.
Just scroll down to see the BOM 55 year graph at the link.
https://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/tropical-cyclone-knowledge-centre/history/climatology/
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The Liberals need to return Australia’s electrical grid to how it was before Howard started messing with it after the Kyoto Protocol of 1997.
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Again , just more proof that we shouldn’t be wasting TRILLIONs of $ on their CC fantasy, because we should know we live in the safest period in Human history.
Here’s the data 1980 to 2021 for death rates from fires and burns.
Every income group or countries in the world are shown and Australia is at the bottom of the High income countries or about a third of their deaths over that 41 year period.
Just 4.4 billion in 1980 and about 8 billion in 2021. Why don’t we think about those much higher populations in 2021 and the much lower death rates today?
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fire-death-rates?tab=line&country=OWID_WRL~OWID_LIC~OWID_HIC~OWID_UMC~OWID_LMC~African+Region+%28WHO%29~AUS
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How many times did a smirking Littleproud say ‘The science is settled’ in his press conference?
The most abundant element on the Planet is Water.
The most abundant fuel source on the planet is Hydrogen produced from water.
Hydrogen is being constantly produced in the upper atmosphere with the conversion of water vapour into Hydrogen and Oxygen, by the bombardment of charged Solar Particles(Note, the Auroras.)
There is no future in Nuclear Fission as a long term, viable electrical power source.
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‘The unwashed masses drag the Liberals back closer to reality‘
You forgot the part about kicking and screaming.
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And I am not sure that being forced under duress to abandon net zero to even have a chance at political power that once they are in power will not revert to form. After what happened with Tony Abbott, I do not trust career politicians and their promises. How can you tell a politician is lying? Their lips are moving.
There was a time when an Australian Prime Minister, Ben Chifley was a train driver. And another recently was a policeman. But beware the career politician who has done nothing else and you suspect that’s why they chose politics. Like absolute tyrant Daniel Andrews. It is my observation that the best leaders are people who do not need the job.
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I think your post is back to front. “the best leaders are people who do not need the job”.
Re Daniel Andrews, are you saying we should elect a career politician who has never worked a day in his life for a living. What knowledge do they have regarding the rest of us.
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What do they, (Daniel Andrews career politicians)
bring?
Nut zero is what they bring 🙁
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That is _
zilch
nado
nuthing.
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Australia is looking less likely to host the COP31 UN climate junket next year. Once the favourite, it is deadlocked with Turkey, and if they cannot agree by the close of COP30 in a week’s time than it will go to Germany.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4pnpl0g7o
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