What a backflip: The Biggest political party in the EU now wants to drop the ban on petrol and diesel cars

Car crash

By Jo Nova

The voter backlash begins

How much more would the car lovers and petrol-heads of Europe take? In draconian style, last February, the EU declared all petrol and diesel cars would be banned from 2035. It was their star policy for the Net Zero push. Car makers would have to cut their emissions by a shocking 55% by 2030 and an unthinkable 100% by 2035. It was to be the end of an era.

The idea was so big and embedded in the EU that only one month ago an insurance insider warned that his company was already devising elaborate plans for a world where everyone had an EV and the insurance giants and the government got access to all your data. Police would be issuing your speeding tickets while-you-drove, and insurance companies would be granting drivers a discount if they allowed them to sell all their data to the highest bidder. Indeed, the word was that insurance companies wouldn’t even insure petrol cars. Obviously only the rich were going to be able to afford a petrol car or an EV “with privacy”.

But now, the largest party in the EU is drafting a policy to ditch the same ban they voted in a year ago. The European People’s Party (EPP) is theoretically a “centre right” party, despite acting like the radical left, but that means they stand to lose their voter-base in a blink as the reality of the bans sinks in, which it has.

Nicolas Vincur and Mari Eccles, Politico

BRUSSELS — Europe’s biggest conservative force, the European People’s Party, wants to massively bulk up the EU’s external guard force and drop plans to phase out the combustion engine across the bloc by 2035, according to a draft of the party’s manifesto obtained by POLITICO. With its heavy emphasis on migration control and call to “preserve our Christian values,” the manifesto reflects the growing strength of right-wing parties across the bloc.

In other news, the EPP wants to triple the number of border guards in the EU, and to relax some of the rules protecting nature. The European Commission president Mrs von der Leyen is as green as they come, but decided maybe wolves don’t need so much protection after one of them killed Dolly, her beloved horse.

By sheer coincidence the next EU elections are in June.

The mass farmers protests and electoral shocks in the Netherlands are making their marks.

“Net Zero is now a toxic vote loser”

Ralph Schoellhammer wonders if the whole Net Zero plan will be next as right wing parties realize how much traction they can get by attacking climate policies:

Is the EU dropping Net Zero?

The European Right has discovered anger against Net Zero policies as a powerful theme for mobilising disenchanted voters, as demonstrated by farmer protests in countries such as the Netherlands and Germany. A number of parties across the continent, from the Austrian FPÖ to the German AfD and the RN in France, have been quick to make this a main campaign issue.

What was once an issue for left-of-centre parties to win over voters has now become a toxic vote-loser. This shift shouldn’t surprise us: Europeans support taking action on climate change — just so long as it doesn’t affect their lifestyles.

Once it becomes clear that reducing emissions comes at a significant cost, support for corresponding policies falls dramatically. The German example of the last two years has shown that the green transition is not leading to more jobs and prosperity, but instead the opposite. Germany was the worst performing major economy in 2023

The EU looks like it will have to remove the ban, but presumably they’ll think up other painful, stupid ways to coerce us into EV’s.

The Australian government, meanwhile, is just about to repeat all the EU mistakes but in the most sparsely populated, petrol loving, first world nation on Earth.

Car crash photo by Marcel Langthim from Pixabay

Ursula von Der leyen Photo by Mueller /MSC

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111 comments to What a backflip: The Biggest political party in the EU now wants to drop the ban on petrol and diesel cars

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    How much more would the car lovers and petrol-heads of Europe take? In draconian style, last February, the EU declared all petrol and diesel cars would be banned from 2035. It was their star policy for the Net Zero push. Car makers would have to cut their emissions by a shocking 55% by 2030 and an unthinkable 100% by 2035. It was to be the end of an era.

    If they had followed through on their madness, they would have taken away a teenager’s fun of fixing up their used cars for their own transportation which is a valuable skill to develop and to do something worthwhile positive in their lives.

    There is NO fun in trying to fix an extremely expensive EV used or not but hey maybe remove the dead battery to convert the EV failure back into a successful ICE again that would be a great future for teen boys to get a new group of failed EV’s to rehabilitate them back into usefulness.

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      Steve of Cornubia

      What’s black and crispy, and lies under an old EV?

      The young fella who was trying to fix it up.

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    David Maddison

    This is great news!

    Freedom-loving people of the world need to support these centre-right/conservative parties against the tyranny of the Left.

    In Australia, there are three freedom-loving parties worthy of our support.

    -United Australia Party
    -Libertarian Party (formerly Liberal Democrats)
    -One Nation.

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    Neville

    I can’t understand why this didn’t happen a decade ago but hopefully better late than never.
    But again, I’ll believe it when I see it and Aussies have to make some very hard decisions before the next election.
    Do we really want to WASTE TRILLIONS of $ for NOTHING and wreck our environments for NOTHING? Why can’t our stupid pollies, so called Scientists and MSM just look up the DATA and WAKE UP?

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      Sean

      “Why can’t our stupid pollies, so called Scientists and MSM just look up the DATA and WAKE UP?”

      I think there’s pretty simple answer. Fear is a source of power for politicians with many of the constitutional guardrails removed in case of an emergency. Fear creates motivation for funding that scientists, on the encouragement of an army of administrators, are more than happy to stoke. It becomes self-fulfilling and circular.

      At some point, the people left holding the bag (folks too poor to lobby the government for money and influence, i.e. most of us) will have a say. Unfortunately, there is a lot of damage that will take years to repair and some that will never be able to be fixed.

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    David Maddison

    Keep in mind that the people we are up against- the useful idiots of the Left and their masters- hate freedom and individualism and yearn for a society under constant surveillance, monitoring and control and with someone else doing their thinking and making decisions for them. They feel safer that way….

    We are fighting against the scenario George Orwell warned about in Nineteen Eighty Four.

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      Steve of Cornubia

      As I drove towards the traffic lights at the bottom of our road yesterday, a lady cyclist was waiting at the pedestrian crossing. Despite being on a bike, she chose to cross using the walkway rather than use the road. I assume she was using the pavement for her journey because it’s safer than the road, where there are cars. Eeek!

      But the first thing to get my attention was the flouro, which almost scoured my retinas. She was wearing a dazzling flouro helmet, an even brighter flouro waistcoat, ditto sparkly trousers (on a hot day). Her bike had one of those flag thingies that stick out to the right, warning cars to keep their distance (even though she was using the pavement).

      And guess what?

      That’s right. She was wearing a mask. Outdoors. Riding alone.

      These are the people who were first in the queue to got jabbed, and the most vociferous about enforcing lockdowns and social distancing. She probably saw no problem in sacking nurses who didn’t want the ‘vaccine’. They also strongly supported damaging kids’ education by closing schools, because GERMS.

      I have no doubt whatsoever that she supports Net Zero and probably donates to the WWF. She would no doubt happily join the Just Stop Oil protesters if it didn’t involve stepping onto the road (those dangerous cars again).

      To varying degrees, this is the mentality that confounds conservatives and prevents the legislation of sensible policies that balance safety with freedom. And there are more of them among us than is healthy for a vibrant, happy society.

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        Kalm Keith

        Excellent Steve, and I really liked this:

        “And there are more of them among us than is healthy for a vibrant, happy society.”

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        John+in+NZ

        Well said Steve. I saw a man riding his bike with no helmet but wearing a mask. I had to laugh.

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          Old Goat

          John,
          I will see you and raise : look at how many drivers in cars on their own wearing masks ? Stupid unlike smart is unlimited .

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    Neville

    Why can’t the ignorant fools just check the data Willis Eschenbach posted on WUWT?
    He regularly updates this post and we could also check the co2 Coalition site, or Dr Curry or Jo Nova or many other sites that value the data and evidence.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/25/wheres-the-emergency/

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    Penguinite

    I’m sending the link to this item to Blackout Bowen! @ [email protected]
    One of his minders may delete it but he’ll get the message

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      John Hultquist

      Unless you hand a politician your first-born, or 50,000 big ones, don’t expect to be acknowledged.

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      William

      Sorry Penguinite, I don’t think Bowen will ever get the message, and even if someone drummed it into his head, he still wouldn’t understand it.

      I don’t think I have ever seen a more willfully stupid politician in Australia, and possibly the only people less intelligent than he is are those in his electorate who vote for him.

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        CO2 Lover

        Remember it was Bowen who helped Scott Morrisson win the unlossable election when he said: “If you not like our policies, then do not vote for Labor”!

        Since it was Bill Shorten and the Labor Right who lost that election it was now the turn of Labor Left to contest the next election and the leadership was shortlisted to Albanese and Bowen – both complete duds.

        Albo only got 30% of the primary vote – but it was the Green and Teal vote that got this Communist over the line.

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        Hanrahan

        The “wilfully stupid” are not a subset of “stupid” as “useful idiot” is not a subset of “idiot”. The plain vanilla stupid idiots can be good neighbours and citizens, the others are working against you.

        Even here not everyone is your friend.

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        DOC

        Bowen would see it vindication for his clever plan to enrich Australia by exporting ‘green power’. If he thinks he has made Australia the only nation on Earth that remained steadfast to the ‘principles’ of curing AGW, he will be able to sell that magic mixture to the world at exorbitant prices and all Australians will love him and erect statues to him. Don Quixote lives!!!

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      MP

      Have you tried pi$$ing into the wind first.

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    MrGrimNasty

    Car makers can’t keep flipping their manufacturing facilities at the whim of politicians.
    The direction of change has been set.
    As with Sunak’s supposed NetZero change of heart that isn’t, it’s just politicians manoeuvring to avoid blame for the unpopularity of their own policies.

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      Skepticynic

      The direction of change has been set.

      Change will happen in directions dictated by circumstances beyond the dictates of politicians.

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        Steve of Cornubia

        You would think so, but look at the entertainment industry and its determination to promote woke. More and more movies/TV series are bombing, share prices are in freefall and widespread job layoffs are starting. Yet, despite all this, they still seem utterly determined to keep running toward that cliff.

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          MrGrimNasty

          Western car manufacturers can’t change direction now, they’re already on the point of being unviable thanks to the imposition of EV mandates. They haven’t got the reserves to retool and switch back.

          Politicians have probably already effectively killed car manufacturing and handed the market to the Chinese. Just a matter of time.

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            David of Cooyal in Oz

            How about Japan, Korea, India?
            How far down that rough track have they gone?

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            Toyota are the largest car company. The chief there (I think Mr Toyoda) said they are not interested in all EV cars but are concentrating on hybrids. They are initially working on fuel cells which could work on natural gas and LPG (already used with forklift trucks. The future may be with very small nuclear units started with lazers. There is research but maybe 20-30 years before viable. The principle of an electric drive motor at each wheel with an electic generator or fuel cell is soind.

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              Graeme No.3

              Agree that actual innovations take some time, but the current belief among Greenies, politicians (State & Federal) and the public “service” is that passing a law or regulation will result in change within a year or less.
              Offshore windfarms aren’t going to be operational within 5 years, those (unnecessary) transmission lines are going to run into opposition from farmers (at least), and Turnbull’s Folly won’t be ready with 4 years; and that is just known and operating technology.

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              Steve of Cornubia

              Aaaagh, NO!!!!!

              Talk about driving straight to the scene of the accident, but that sounds pretty much designed to crash. The four motors will undoubtedly be controlled by the ubiquitous computer thankfully, because computers and software NEVER go wrong. I mean, that’s important because if you were negotiating a long curve at 110kph, in the rain, it’s mission critical that the wheels receive only the appropriate power. Should the computer, let’s say due to a glitch delivered in the update the car downloaded when you were parked outside the shop a few minutes ago – without letting you know because you’re just the sack of soggy organs driving the thing – and one wheel suddenly gets 200% power, it WILL get your attention, albeit briefly. An unfortunately-positioned tree will prevent you worrying any further.

              What is it with manufacturers and governments these days? Do they NEVER see a new technology they don’t like?

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              Old Goat

              Cementafriend,
              All of the tech you mentioned has serious issues . Fuel cells require pure fuels because contamination destroys the cells . Nuclear reactors won’t do well in an accident . Fusion power has been 20 years away for 50 years……Magical thinking doesn’t create real world solutions.

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          Skepticynic

          look at the entertainment industry and its determination to promote woke

          Look who owns it.

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        MrGrimNasty

        In some cases, not this, to think EVs are going away is as naive as expecting wind farms to be ripped out and replaced by CCGT.
        We’re already too far down the path.

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          Adellad

          Go and have a chat to the directors of Hertz in the US

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          Klem

          True, and if someone wants to buy an EV that’s their choice, everyone makes regrettable car-buying decisions sometimes. But governments subsidizing them heavily and mandating them down our throats, because they believe it will keep them in power, is an entirely different matter.

          Within 5 years EVs will still be available but they will be a boutique item, little more than a curiosity.

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      Steve Conlin

      Wouldn’t it be nice if Pollies were held legally responsible for their decisions/policies/actions?

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    winston

    theoretically a “centre right” party

    The first problem of being in center is remaining there.
    The second is disposing with the bits that keep one from drifting off, one way or the other.
    Together, these negate the idea of a turnaround or a flip-flop: these adjustments are required.
    The third problem may be spelling center properly (as opposed to Frenchily), and the fourth is possibly deciding on which side of it one will drive.

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      MichaelB

      ‘Centre’ is the correct spelling, in countries where ‘metre’ (not meter) is the standard unit of length, such as Britain, Australia, Canada, NZ and pretty much everywhere else… But hey, we’re happy to accept our differences 🙂

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        Adellad

        “Correct?” In the 18th Century the upper class in Britain returned to their French roots and Frenchified the language. The Americans had the older Elizabethan English replete with “z” in words instead of “s.” Sure there were later moves in the US to further simplify English, but its basis there remains older than the snobby version we adopted.

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          MichaelB

          That doesn’t explain ‘aluminum’…!

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            David Maddison

            That doesn’t explain ‘aluminum’…!

            Aluminum was the original spelling of aluminium.

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              MichaelB

              Aluminium is the IUPAC approved spelling. It also allows aluminum, in deference to the US, but aluminium is the approved spelling.

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                DOC

                Now I’m even more confused. I thought I had just worked it out a week ago. Aluminum seemed to be the name of the refined ore and aluminium was the name given to the final product after it had digested all that electric power.

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          hivemind

          By ‘simplify’, do you mean mispelling words like colour and centre?

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            Adellad

            The core of English is Anglo-Saxon – ie: Germanic. The French influence is largely an affectation – it’s provided lots of useless adjectives and synonyms. How does that “u” help with “colour?” How does spelling “metre” with the last two letters opposed to their pronunciation help anybody? Je ne sais pas!

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              MichaelB

              How does that “u” help with “colour?

              Good question, and one might also ask, how does the American pronunciation of Antarctica become an-art-ica?

              I guess that the world of language just has many mysteries that don’t seem to follow logically 🙂

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              I suggest you are wrong. Educated people communicated in latin from the Roman times (50 BC). Latin was the official language at Cambridge and Oxford universities until the 18th century. King William 1st 1066 was French which was then the official language at court and in the administration. French is a romantic language drived from Latin (as are Italian & Spanish). The Stuart Kings spoke French. It was James 11 that sanctioned the English bible but it was issued in Latin and French. It is likely Henry V111 was the first to Angleside religion and the court language although he spoke French as did Elizabeth 1. The Georges brought Germman words to the English language. Greek words were alresdy there from the Romans.

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          Skepticynic

          later moves in the US to further simplify English

          Like ignoring the distinction between THAN and THEN.
          And adding an extra U to NUCLEAR while removing the E entirely, to make NUCULAR.

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    CO2 Lover

    Part of the grand plan of the “transition” to EVs was to allow governments to control when you could recharge your EV and when the government would be allowed to drain electricity from your EV battery to meet “emergency demands” such as when the wind is not blowing and the sun is not shining or when there is peak demand.

    Furthermore China is dominating the production of EVs and European makers such as VW are unabe to compete unless they outsource production to Chinese car makers.

    The Chinese company BYD has now overtaken Tesla in car production.

    China’s BYD sold more electric vehicles worldwide than Tesla in the final quarter of 2023. BYD sold around 526,000 EVs in the three months to the end of the year, compared with Tesla’s 484,000.

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      DOC

      China’s economy is in trouble, It was in ‘The Australian’ last week that it had decided the best way out was to make everything the stupid West wanted to save the planet, like EVs, wind turbines, batteries and solar panels and feed it every other Planet Saving device it thinks up ( using our remitted coal as the energy source, of course).

      Slowly (but in reality, eventually) reversing away from net zero actually makes EVs perilously close to extinction if you look at the position the governments find themselves in on two fronts.

      Firstly, their transitional energy systems are screwed in no man’s land. They have destroyed too much of the reliable ff system and are lightyears away from having a functional renewables system to replace what they have already destroyed, let alone one capable of handling all the planned non ff based industrial and transport devices which haven’t themselves even been created yet.

      Secondly, the recharging system for not just the current few but the millions/billions of postulated ‘green’ machines to come is almost totally non existent. All those buildings by sidewalks of buildings and high rises wo garages. Those industrial plants to come. All this is hardly scratched the surface of. Then there’s the $Trillion dollar network develoment to join all those little E farms to one grid. Put on your Bowen, Albo and Chalmers hat and ask where the hell is all the money and labour and equipment to come from? It will take 50-100years to complete.

      Have always said this movement was crazy. Politicians are unbelievably stupid when it comes to anything major. They are destroying a working system for an as yet non existent and unproven new system which is a figment of some comic book hero’s imagination. Western Politicians around the world have just been forced to look into the future and are are scared witless about what they have done to their people. China and India laugh at them and thrive.China will win again. Don’t you think the politicians have tossed all this around inthe backrooms wondering how the hell they can back out of this climate panic they have caused? They don’t have the money and they don’t have the technology anyway. Step one, to back away without getting lynched?
      Pretend they are now the saviours of their people and turn back net zero as much and as fast as possible. I see this as the beginning of the end for AGW and all its trappings. We just have now to handle the scrap and pay China to provide us with everything we had before to burn ff’s better or do SMNP.

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    CO2 Lover

    The “car” that real Australian men want.

    Ford is predicting it will sell at least 5000 units of the F-150 pick-up truck per year Down Under, meaning it will challenge the RAM 1500 as the most popular full-size US pick-up offered in Australia. And tellingly, Ford says it has plenty of capacity to convert more F-150s should demand for its big truck continue to rise.

    Ford are not converting the EV Lightning version to Right Hand Drive which has been a sales disaster in the USA

    Ford is cutting production of the F-150 Lightning electric pickup after weaker-than-expected electric vehicle sales growth.

    While EV sales are growing in the U.S., the pace is falling well short of the industry’s ambitious timetable and many consumers are turning to hybrid vehicles instead.

    Ford sold just over 24,000 Lightnings last year, up 55% from 2022. But dealers are reporting slower sales and rising inventories on the electric truck

    EV Lightnings accounted for only 3.2% of F15O sales in 2023.

    Ford F-Series expanded its lead in 2023, on sales of 750,789 – up 15 percent over the previous year and outselling second place Silverado by about 200,000 trucks.

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    Neville

    Why can’t every OECD countrie’s Pollies just try and understand the co2 Coalition’s Climate FACTS and understand why they’ve been on the wrong track since 1990?
    All the facts have the data and references to support the evidence. By the time they checked all the facts they would have learned much more about the climate and we could SAVE our environments and save decades of WASTED TIME and TRILLIONS of $ as well.
    But will the OECD have the brains to follow the DATA or will they continue to follow their FAKE RELIGIOUS CULT?

    https://co2coalition.org/facts/

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      Penguinite

      So Basic! So true! But an anathema to WEF-controlled politicians!

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      Steve of Cornubia

      You have to realise that climate change action is just a means to an end, not an end in itself, and it has nothing to do with the weather.

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        John in NZ

        Just so Steve. Before we can own nothing and be happy we first have to own nothing.

        The EV mandates are part of the process of getting us to the “own nothing” stage.

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        CO2 Lover

        “Climate Change” has nothing to do with controlling the weather – it is all about controlling you.

        Fear is the most useful tool in a politician’s kit bag.

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    CO2 Lover

    Not much positive news about owning an EV appearing these days – lucky it does not get so cold in Australia that you are unable to recharge an EV, however –

    The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) has this week (October 2023) asked owners of ‘ro-ro’ vessels – roll-on, roll-off car carriers such as ferries – to start planning for the possibility that an electric car onboard will one day spontaneously catch fire.

    It says an EV fire can be more challenging compared with a conventionally engined vehicle due to the risk of a condition called “thermal runaway”, where a burning lithium-ion battery quickly builds in intensity.

    Electric cars have had a chequered past on ferries, with one Norwegian carrier earlier this year announcing it would ban them after deciding they posed too high a fire risk to have onboard.

    https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/ev-owners-face-battery-fuelled-discrimination-on-ferries-143135/

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      Peter C

      Imagine an EV fire on the Spirit of Tasmania ferry half way across Bass Strait!
      It would likely lead to great loss of life.
      Best thing would be to ban EV vehicles using the ferry right now.

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        Annie

        I hope they do ban EVs…or our next visit to Tassie will be fly/drive. Nothing like so convenient (we did that years ago). Our own vehicle is much handier but not at the cost of being flash fried on the Spirit of Tasmania, especially down in the bowels of the bottom deck…yuk.

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      David Maddison

      In the event of an EV fire on a ferry, I wonder how soon it would take the crew to realise the situation is uncontrollable and issue an order to abandon ship? (The order to abandon ship must come from the ship’s master.)

      They might think it’s like a regular ICE car fire which is relatively easy to extinguish and onboard firefighting systems are designed for that.

      Also, the Government would probably not allow a carrier to ban EVs because that would contradict the Official Narrative that they are – to use the terminology from the covid vaccine disaster – “safe and effective”.

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      Dennis

      I recently tried to post a question about the new vehicle and passenger ferries sailing between Devonport Tasmania and Geelong Victoria and asking the policy on EV being parked on board.

      It was deleted.

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      Graeme No.3

      C02:
      Try The Electric Viking on Youtube IF YOU CAN. Apparently an Australian.
      Everything is wonderful.
      EVs are becoming the preferred choice.
      Fantastic new batteries coming real soon.
      Renewables with lots of batteries means that 100% electricity will be from renewables by the end of 2025 – at which point I gave up looking at any other blogs.

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        CO2 Lover

        I love watching “The Electric Viking” who lives in Newcastle my home town.

        A classic convert to the religion of “Climate Change” with all the zeal of a religious convert.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFRUt-A_PwA

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        CO2 Lover

        Renewables with lots of batteries means that 100% electricity will be from renewables by the end of 2025

        The cost of full battery back-up for a wind and solar only power grid for Australia is around $10 TRILLION.

        The maths is not that hard.

        The cost of battery back-up is the Elephant in the Room when it comes to weather dependent “renewables”.

        Pumped hydro is a joke as Snowy 2.O has confirmed – with the original $2 Billion estimate blowing out to around $20 billion

        A 143-metre-long tunnel boring machine working on the massive Snowy Hydro 2.0 project is moving again, a year after getting stuck and causing a large sinkhole in the NSW Snowy Mountains.

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    Neville

    Dr Pielke jr continues his fight against NASA’s BS and FRAUD and I hope in time he gets a better response than some silly press officer.

    https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/mid-week-quick-hits

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    Mike

    Isn’t this change of tack classic electioneering? False promises to re-direct policy governed by negative polls. Goodness there’s a world of failed promises non-delivered by both opposition & ruling parties in Western World democracies. Guess that’s why trust in politicians is at an all time low. Piss poor delivery & outcomes resulting from ignorant or ?malicious bs. I reakon political party performance would be far more reliable with a ‘first past the post’ election ruling governance.

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    Neville

    So why have we seen such a big fall in deaths from fires and burns since 1990?
    The world has improved over the last 32 years and Australia and Spain are the lowest today. And many wealthy COLD countries are higher than us today and yet I find it very difficult to convince people about this data. NZ is also doing well.

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fire-death-rates?tab=chart&country=ESP~OWID_WRL~BRA~CHN~NZL~USA~AUS~CAN~ISL~ISR~NLD~NOR~SWE~GBR

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    Nixon

    Yeah. Who wants clean air anyway!! 🙄

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    OldOzzie

    Toyota are NOT Stupid

    INSIDE THE FACTORY THAT ONLY BUILDS WHITE TOYOTAS

    Welcome to Toyota Gibraltar Stockholdings (TGS), the world’s most remarkable car dealership

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    John Connor II

    It’s all reversing…

    Polestar worth $0, Toyota not embracing EV’s, Ford sacking EV workers and focussing on ICE, Hyundai sales in China collapsed by 75% and they’ve sold their multi billion $ EV plants at huge losses, other manufacturers pulling out of China manufacturing and market, Tesla profits plummeting after pricing shifts, BYD poised to make massive inroads into EU and US markets (but they’re rolling junk piles).

    It’s all falling apart in pink unicorn EV world.
    GOOD!
    Fantasy meets reality.

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      Reality beats pipe dreams every time.

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      CO2 Lover

      Promoting Hybrids to replace ICE Cars would signifcantly reduce CO2 emissions without any need for any recharging infrastucture for the next decade would have been the smart move for those concerned by CO2 (plant food) emissions.

      Especially when ellectrity grids are allready understrain to meet current demand before adding a extra demand for a huge increase in EVs.

      However, in the religion of Climate Change Hybrids are completely tainted by their ICE engines and so there are no taxpayer subsidies to encourage people to buy hybrids.

      I rented a Toyato Corolla hybrid for a Melbourne to Sydney trip and it was a fine car (no range anxiety), although fuel savings on highway travel are much less than in stop start city driving.

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    DD

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    By sheer coincidence the next EU elections are in June.

    Have a guess as to what will happen after the election.

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    Neville

    Just interesting that Aussie death rates from burns and fires were 2.7 times higher in 1990 than today.
    And the global death rates in 1990 were 1.7 times higher than 2019. The deaths are measured by deaths per 100,000 people.
    I called it 32 years but in fact it’s 30 years 1990 to 2019.

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    Neville

    So why are extreme weather event deaths in 2023 so tiny compared to 100 years ago?
    This OWI Data graph since 1900 ( population then about 1.6 billion) compared to 2023 ( pop over 8 billion) tells the story so why do the the liars and stupid leftie con merchants continue to ignore the data?
    Lomborg, Shellenberger, Koonin, Epstein, Christy, Goklany, Eschenbach etc tell us that this is actually a drop in deaths of about 95% to 99% since 1920.
    Does anyone really not understand the data?

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-from-natural-disasters

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    Billy Bob Hall

    The energy density of Li-Ion batteries is only a feeble ~1 mega-joule / kg. Li-Ion chemistry is such that they will never reach 2 mega-joules / kg.
    The energy density of gasoline is ~45 mega-joules / kg. It only takes 5 minutes to re-fuel a gasoline car.

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      CO2 Lover

      Don’t get me started on battery powered e-planes

      The energy density of aviation fuels is about 43.5 MJ/kg. That is, 43.5 MJ of energy is released for each kilogram of fuel burned. At takeoff, a Boeing 747-400 contains 216,840 L (216.8 m3) of fuel with a density of about 820 kg/m3.

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    OldOzzie

    Why big fleet buyers are going into reverse on electric cars

    State-backed plans to bring about an EV revolution are backfiring

    Three years ago, London’s biggest taxi company reached a fork in the road.

    Regulations announced by Transport for London meant all private hire vehicles registered in the capital would have to meet tougher green emission standards by 2023.

    For Addison Lee chief executive Liam Griffin, it meant a choice: invest in plug-in hybrid cars, or “go full electric” and stump up millions for a new fleet of electric cars.

    He chose the latter strategy. Griffin ordered 1,000 Volkswagen ID4s as part of a move to “fully embrace” electric vehicles (EVs).

    The plan has backfired. Last month, the company was forced to make an about-turn, abandoning its pledge to reach zero emissions by the end of 2023. “We were slightly oversold the dream,” Griffin says.

    As well as ID4s, Addison Lee spent £30m on new Volkswagen Multivans, which are plug-in hybrid electric vehicles. However, it soon ran into issues with drivers not having access to public charging.

    “Less than 20pc of our drivers have got off-street parking and have the ability to charge overnight,” Griffin says. “For those that don’t, they have got to seek the alternative and that’s when things start to unravel.”

    Addison Lee tried to install its own bank of chargers to help drivers. However, “red tape and bureaucracy” meant it took 18 months to install a set of fast chargers at its depot in West Drayton, Griffin says.

    So-called “range anxiety” about how far EV batteries will take a driver between charges was a serious concern, compounded by a lack of public charging infrastructure.

    “We have the issue of what jobs you may be able to do, because if you’ve only got half a charge and you suddenly decide you want to go to Manchester then are you going to want to take it?,” says Griffin.

    By the end of December, there were 53,906 charge points across Britain, according to Zap Map, a location service for charge stations. The Department for Transport hopes there will be 300,000 installed by the end of the decade.

    Mounting issues left Addison Lee no choice but to abandon its pledge to reach zero emissions by the end of 2023.

    Griffin says: “We were very enthusiastic about the benefits of going fully electric. We saw that the idea of providing clean air solutions for drivers and for customers was the future.

    “We were promised that the infrastructure would come on stream and facilitate the growing number of cars that were being added by the day.

    Unfortunately, the experience didn’t quite match the vision.”

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    CO2 Lover

    It is not only Hertz who is dumping EVs

    In the USA in July 2022 a used Teslsa had an average value of US$68,000 – since then it has dropped to $36,000 and the trend is still down. Ouch!

    See the graph here:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/average-price-used-tesla-tumbles-18-straight-months

    It is not only Hertz who learnt an expensive lesson – Ford has also learnt an expensive lesson – most people do not want an EV. “Saving the Planet” has it limitations.

    https://mishtalk.com/economics/ford-loses-36000-on-each-ev-cuts-production-of-electric-trucks/

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      CO2 Lover

      The Tesla share price reached a peak of US$400 in November 2021 (up from US$13 in May 2019)- it is now down at US$200.

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      Dennis

      I understand that the average Australian vehicle is driven for ten years, and that EV battery warranty conditional is for eight years.

      Obviously there are many reasons why an EV battery pack loses range or fails and recharging is one major factor, consider why the manufacturers prefer limiting to eighty per cent recharge level and avoiding one hundred per cent, especially using high-speed commercial recharging. The battery system monitoring limits discharge to no more than ten.

      Therefore, the older an EV gets the less dealers will offer for trade-in until they are not interested despite the EV being only several years old.

      Then consider insurance premiums.

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        ozfred

        Our youngest vehicle is 12 years old
        the oldest road vehicle is 33 years old
        the oldest vehicle is 74 years old

        Given the pollution involved with the construction of vehicles, I think the least polluting option is to use one as long as you can

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    Dennis

    Capitalism – free enterprise, free markets, let consumers pick winners and losers on merit, no government interference and picking.

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    Dennis

    When will Strata Plans be forced to ban EV from being garaged in commercial and residential buildings, and public carparks under cover?

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      RexAlan

      Well I’m the Chairman and Secretary of my strata plan and our Treasurer is of the same opinion. We don’t want EV’s charging in our building because the parking spaces are in an enclosed space underneath the building. Unfortunately we also have visitor parking in the same area as well. But they would not be charging. I don’t know how our Body Corporate/Owners Corporation would fair in a legal battle over this. This problem hasn’t happened yet but if the government keeps going with this nonsense it surely will.

      I certainly wouldn’t want to be living above such a fire.

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    David Maddison

    Maybe Mr Musk should start making hybrids or even full ICE vehicles that incorporate the Tesla driving assistance technology.

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      CO2 Lover

      Mr Musk will need a Plan B once EVs are no longer flavour of the month.

      Not everone in the USA lives in sunny woke California where many have car garages. Many live in Big Cities like Chicago in High Rise Apartments and where it can get very cold making EVs not fit for purpose.

      Even though Tesla’s share price has fallen by 50% Tesla is still valued at more that all the other US auto makers combined.

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      CO2 Lover

      Tesla’s business model is based on direct sales and service, not franchised dealerships.

      This might be great selling new cars by cutting out the middleman but what happens when you want to trade in a Tesla close to battery warranty expiry or after battery warranty expiry?

      More used cars are sold than new cars.

      Sales of used light vehicles in the United States came to around 38.6 million units in 2022. The same year, approximately 13.6 million new light trucks and automobiles were sold here.

      What car dealer will give you a good price on a second-hand Tesla?

      Many peope will go the the same dealer who sold then a new car to get a good deal on a trade-in for a new ICE car. That dealer values repeat business.

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    IWick

    EV’s being used to undermine the car industry and useless solar and wind used to shut down thermal power stations. All part of the plan.

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      CO2 Lover

      No need for an invasion when you have Albanese and Bowen as Chinese puppets.

      “The supreme art of war is to win without fighting” – Sun Tze

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    David Maddison

    Former PM Morrison who is responsible for much of Australia’s energy crisis has announced his retirement from Parliament.

    Just follow the money trail.

    In a statement on social media on Tuesday, Morrison said he had decided “to take on new challenges in the global corporate sector and spend more time with my family”.

    That’s code for not having to do much but getting paid a huge amount of money to do so.

    It’s difficult to imagine a lazier job than being a back bencher in an Aussie Parliament as he was.

    The new job must be lazier and pay more….

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      DOC

      Howard let the genie out of the bag. That’s before Morrison was even a twinkle in the belly of his mother the Liberal Party.

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      David Maddison

      And this is just after Dictator Dan of Vicdanistan announced new business ventures with the Chinese…

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    CO2 Lover

    The new job must be lazier and pay more

    A job in the tourism industry would fit that ticket.

    Former Howard government minister Fran Bailey says she forced Scott Morrison out as head of Tourism Australia because of a “complete lack of trust” and has called on him to quit federal parliament immediately.

    In her strongest criticism of the former prime minister yet, Bailey claimed she felt bullied by Morrison and that he had not consulted her on key decisions as managing director of the nation’s tourism body.

    It was a case of the “Minister for Everything” being voted out of office more than Albanese being voted into office with a 30% primary vote.

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    CO2 Lover

    More on EV Depreciation

    It’s a “Horror Movie on the 6 thirty news”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbkJhoLi5UE

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    Phil O'Sophical

    This is significant as a bellwether, but the EPP is not really a party. It is a grouping of roughly like-minded, rightish representatives of national parties. Hitherto it has not been anti-EU, which is why they would not have UKIP as members. But after the rise across Europe of popular parties, the coming EU elections could see quite a change. But also, the European Parliament itself is a colossally expensive fraud. It is not a parliament as we know parliaments, more a rubber stamp. Legislation is proposed by the European Commission (behind closed doors), approved by the Council of the European Union and only then put to the European Parliament, fait accompli, to become law. A sham, a front, a pretence of democracy, to give the appearance of legitimacy to a totalitarian ‘state’. And it is effectively a State now.

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