JoNova

A science presenter, writer, speaker & former TV host; author of The Skeptic's Handbook (over 200,000 copies distributed & available in 15 languages).


Handbooks


Advertising


Australian Speakers Agency



GoldNerds

The nerds have the numbers on precious metals investments on the ASX



The Skeptics Handbook

Think it has been debunked? See here.

The Skeptics Handbook II

Climate Money Paper



Archives

Books

Arizona audit shows it’s easy to cheat in a US election and the Democrats are happy with that

US Flag, Flying.Joe Biden officially won Arizona by about 10,000 votes, but 23,000 voters have moved, 10,000 potentially voted in multiple counties, 9,000 extra ballots appeared that were not officially sent. So there were at least four times as many dubious votes as Biden’s theoretical margin. Bigger and possibly quite a lot worse than this — was that the Election Management Database and files were deleted, subpoenaed equipment was withheld and some logs were not preserved. The chain of custody was broken and machines that weren’t meant to be connected to the internet, were connected. It’s not that the US doesn’t have free and fair elections, which it doesn’t, but that it’s not even trying.

No team that won 80 million real votes, and cared about public confidence would have made it so hard to audit, delayed for so long, and destroyed so much data.

The Democrat fog machine is shouting that the vote count shows Biden won “and by even more votes”. They appear to be hoping that if they say it loud enough and often enough people won’t notice the Biden won a crooked election.

The only thing we know for sure is that we’ll never know who the people of Arizona voted for.

Ignore the MSM: Here’s What the 2020 Maricopa County Election Audit Actually Says

Matt Margolis, PJ Media

The bottom line: The number of ballots impacted by discrepancies far exceeds Biden’s margin of victory in the state. Both sides of this debate will claim the report validates their position, but in truth, without proper vetting of the impacted ballots, we’ll never know if the election results were legitimate.

Why do these matter? Because, according to the state-certified results, Joe Biden barely won the state by a 10,457-vote margin. The tiny margin of victory in the state-certified results means that these discrepancies are very troubling. There were 42,727 impacted ballots ranked as “high” or “critical” severity—that’s four times the certified margin of victory. If you include “medium” severity discrepancies, there were 53,214 impacted ballots—more than five times the certified margin of victory. Overall, there were 57,734 impacted ballots.

These findings don’t prove fraud, but certainly demonstrate the potential for fraud. And these impacted ballots have not been vetted.

So, has Joe Biden’s victory been proven? Not in the least. The truth is, we’ll never know the truth about how many ballots were impacted. Of course, the mainstream media knows this, which is why, deep down in CNN’s report about the audit, it laments that the draft report “shows that Cyber Ninjas and their subcontractors are still seeking ways to cast doubt on the election,” pointing to the thousands of ballots flagged.

 Right now, the Democrats could regain theoretically trust if they campaigned for Paper ballots, clean voter rolls, real observers and using electronic voting machines to make new reefs. The machines would at least be good for fish. Call them the Trench of Dominion, or Smartmatic Atoll.

The politicians that won’t do this are the ones that need the cheating.

If it’s not racist to insist on vaccine passport ID’s — which will punish black Americans more than any other group —  why is it racist to insist on voter ID?

  #AZAuditResults  #DecertifyArizona

h/t Panda.

9.9 out of 10 based on 119 ratings

210 comments to Arizona audit shows it’s easy to cheat in a US election and the Democrats are happy with that

  • #
    Tim+Spence

    Biden wins Arizona by 10k votes but 40k suspect votes in 1 county?

    551

    • #
      Mark Kaiser

      The following reply is NOT my own. It’s on behalf of “Random Democrat Guy”

      Wrong Tim, what about the 100k suspect votes planted by the RUSSIANS in the other counties that Trump won. 😉

      650

      • #
        Ronin

        Ah yes, the Russians again.

        270

        • #
          • #
            OldOzzie

            NEW YORK, NY—In an effort to circumvent the city’s vaccine passport regulations, a midtown eatery has installed a voting booth and designated itself as a polling place so it can allow in anyone without any ID at all.

            Mikey’s Eats did a brisk business on the day, as the front of the restaurant was crowded by protestors for/against vaccines, for/against vaccine mandates, and for/against vote fraud. The protestors frequently lost track of who they wanted to yell at, changed sides, and dejectedly walked into the restaurant to console themselves with the chef’s special avocado burger.

            A lawyer for the ACLU was also present. He spent the day alternating between threatening the restaurant with lawsuits, congratulating them for their commitment to democracy, and openly weeping.

            340

      • #
        Brian the Engineer

        sarcasm may have been missed by the red thumbs

        101

        • #
          Serp

          It could be that they are overwhelmed by an inverse form of TDS which makes faux naive Orange Man jokes in plain sight unintelligible; if that’s not roughly it then I am truly baffled.

          30

      • #
        cohenite

        You must be taking the p.ss surely.

        The only involvement the Russians had in any election was their involvement with the democrats.

        80

        • #
          DocSiders

          Quite right dumbass Democrat…our elections are hackable (by Russians or Cheating Democrats) and the Elections are unsecurable and easily cheatable because YOU F’n Democrats want it that way.

          Only Paper Ballots that are counted ONLY AT THE VOTER’S local precinct by local poll workers… with results tallied ON PAPER is unhackable. Ask the French who take it seriously…because none of the parties can trust each other.

          In the US, operating on trust is over…and impossible since the LEFT half of the Nation are all criminal lying parasites.

          30

    • #
      Richard+C+(NZ)

      Closer to 50,000. And Maricopa is by far the largest AZ county which is why this audit is so important.

      The AZ breakdown from Breitbart:

      “3.4 million votes cast in Arizona in the November 3, 2020 presidential election, about 2.1 million were cast in Maricopa County”

      And,

      “49,718 of these [Maricopa] votes that had a critical, high, or medium “potential impact the finding may have had on the election.””

      And,

      “…a margin [for Biden] of 10,457 votes” for Arizona State.

      “…a margin for Biden in the [Maricopa] county of 45,109.”

      Maricopa county effectively decided AZ therefore.

      The other 1.3m votes outside Maricopa negated 34,652 of the Maricopa margin in the AZ total i.e. Trump won easily outside Maricopa.

      350

  • #
    reformed+warmist+of+logan

    Good morning Jo,
    Your wrap was far more factual than the Hill.
    God you’re so under-valued!
    The “Elephant in the Room” is …
    Democrat world views have been so dystopian for so long, at least half the people who vote for them (yes that’s right/every 2nd one you meet) is quite comfortable with the overall precept of totally destroying the United States within a handful of years!
    And it goes without saying; Media, Social(ist) media, Big-Tech & Hollywood are making all of this far more likely.
    I sometimes wonder what all the fuss was about beating the Socialists in W.W.II??!!
    Based on current trends, we’ll all be living under Socialist regimes by 2030 anyway – if not sooner!
    We might as well have let Hitler & Tojo win then – because Xin, Vlad, Schwarb, Gates, Zuckerburg & Betsos seem to have it all in the Socialist side of the ledger now? 🙁
    Warm but depressed regards,
    Reformed Warmist of Logan

    560

    • #
      ColA

      Just reading Breitbart
      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/25/arizona-senate-draft-report-on-the-maricopa-county-election-audit-highlights-49000-questionable-votes-asks-ag-to-investigate/

      Establishment media outlets have celebrated the fact that the Maricopa County Forensic Audit hand count showed that Biden’s margin over Trump was 360 votes greater than the Maricopa County Official Canvass results. (Biden gained 99 votes, while Trump lost 261 votes in the audit hand count).

      They have claimed these results confirm Biden “won” Arizona.

      The results indicate the actual vote count was accurate, in order for Trump to have any realistic claims they needed to show that the numbers were wrong because now any time the republicans say ‘but’ the Dumbocraps, MSM and left will will point to the numbers. More so and even worse they will now crow 81 million votes are real!!
      If they prosecute some of the fraudsters and get them the tell what actually happened, even then you will not convince most Joe Blow Americans how much this all stinks!

      522

      • #
        Tilba+Tilba

        They have claimed these results confirm Biden “won” Arizona.

        There’s a few things wrong with that. Firstly. the “mainstream media” are just reporting what the “Cyber Ninjas” Report plainly said, and reporting what the chief Republicans in the Arizona Legislature said. They are not making “claims”.

        Secondly, I object strongly to the “mainstream media” and even Arizona officials, saying it “confirms” that Joe Biden won Arizona. What nonsense – it didn’t take the “Cyber Ninjas” Report to confirm it – it was confirmed on Election Day, during Certification, and in January, and in two recounts by the state.

        So this Report confirms nothing – there was nothing that needed to be confirmed or proved. Just an enormous waste of taxpayers’ money, and a further attack on democracy – which is what the Republicans have been after all along.

        532

        • #

          Like I said, Democrats like that election security is utterly shot to pieces, and have no intention of fixing that.

          412

        • #
          Serp

          Anybody’d think you assembled that set of illogical propositions as elements of a campaign to surpass the mendacity of our Victorian premier; forget it, he’s happily in charge for the rest of our lives.

          101

          • #
            James Murphy

            Don’t worry, it could be over sooner than you think – Chairman Dan may decide the rest of ones life does not need to be very long if they are against his regime. Facetious perhaps, but the way things are changed bit by bit, who knows how something that was once unthinkable could be normalised.

            For the greater good, and security of the people, of course… !

            110

        • #
          ColA

          The lamestream MSM are only reporting what they think the sheeple should hear, just like you Tibla.
          American thinker has an alternative:-
          “But wait! There’s more—and this is the really important part because it shows the Big Lie. As Gateway Pundit notes, a purported final draft of the actual audit summary said that

          the 2020 presidential election had 57,734 ballots that should not have been counted and should have been set aside, investigated or removed.”

          Considering that the margin of Biden’s victory was only 10,457 votes, the presence of 57,734 ballots that were improperly counted is highly relevant. And that’s where we get to the actual audit info from Cyber Ninjas. Their letter does not say that everything is fine and Biden absolutely won.

          Instead, having found invalid ballots in numbers more than five times greater than Biden’s “victory,” the audit’s conclusion is that

          the election should not be certified, and the reported results are not reliable.”

          110

        • #
          cohenite

          T&T; everything you said is nonsense; I could go into chapter and verse as to why but facts and reason are wasted on lefties. The only evidence we need is biden himself: a stupid, arrogant, corrupt predator; and that was before he became senile. 81 million people did not vote for this shameful person and the ones who did are like you.

          131

        • #
          Kalm Keith

          O’Biden won.
          Sniff, sniff.

          00

      • #
        WendyB

        That’s like saying that stuffing the ballot box and then counting ALL the ballots is perfectly legal………which is the problem in Arizona. The task now is to determine if the extra ballots were what boosted Xiden over the edge. If they did then Arizona needs to decertify their election.

        441

        • #
          ColA

          Wendy, you are correct, I think there was lots of fraud and shenanigans going on but as I said above

          “the Dumbocraps, MSM and left will point to the numbers” While the Reps are but, but, butting!

          I think the results are divisive as they already show 2 ways to read them, a very disappointing outcome! How do you prove the extra votes were for biden?

          191

        • #
          Forrest Gardener

          Correct and that is the one big weakness in any secret voting system. Once any ballot finds its way into the ballot box it becomes indistinguishable from any other ballot. Unless of course the ballots have security features.

          And that’s why I would be interested to know why Jovian Pullizer’s much vaunted methods seem to have come to nothing. Other than I think showing 10 different types of paper found their way into the system.

          170

      • #
        Richard+C+(NZ)

        ColA, the MSM would have everyone believe (by gaslighting) that this was a vote count – it was not. It was an audit.

        There is a massive distinction between audit and vote count. Even now the audit is incomplete because IT subpoenas were ignored.

        260

        • #
          ColA

          Richard+
          I agree, but according to Tibla + Tibla

          So this Report confirms nothing – there was nothing that needed to be confirmed or proved. Just an enormous waste of taxpayers’ money, and a further attack on democracy”

          Bla , bla blah

          To actually check and confirm democracy is working fairly and correctly, how is that an attack on democracy? I still think my #2.1 comment is correct even if disheartening, seems others wanted to shoot the messenger!

          61

  • #
    Lance

    It isn’t just one county in Arizona. There’s fishy stuff going on in many places….

    Take Wisconsin:

    Racine County: 23,203 voters are registered with the same phone number. 63 more people are registered statewide with the same phone number

    Rock County: 900 voters are registered to 45 phone numbers. That’s 20 people registered to each phone number on average.
    Rock County: 8,550 voters in Rock County registered to vote in the year 1918.

    Statewide: 543,000 voters are registered on the state-wide voter registration database without a date of registration.

    Ref: https://t.me/HOTWisconsin/2914

    Wisconsin Election Commission cannot account for some 76,000 “missing” absentee mail-in ballots.

    Biden “won” Wisconsin by 20,682 votes.

    https://gellerreport.com/2021/09/lost-ballots-in-3-states-exceed-bidens-victory-margins.html/

    560

    • #
      Mark Kaiser

      That’s 20 people registered to each phone number on average.

      Sorry to disappoint Lance. I think you overlooked the newest Telus family discount plan. Based on people, not data.😉

      https://www.telus.com/en/on/mobility/plans/

      332

      • #
        Lance

        Mark: The Telus plans allow shared data usage between family members registered to data plans. Nothing at the Telus site indicates that smartphone devices (SIM enabled) share the same telephone number. Data allowances from one plan can be shared with other users within the same family with their own data plans. It says nothing about separate devices sharing the same number.

        If I missed something, please explain.

        370

  • #
    Tilba+Tilba

    Why do these matter? Because, according to the state-certified results, Joe Biden barely won the state by a 10,457-vote margin. The tiny margin of victory in the state-certified results means that these discrepancies are very troubling.

    There were 42,727 impacted ballots ranked as “high” or “critical” severity—that’s four times the certified margin of victory. If you include “medium” severity discrepancies, there were 53,214 impacted ballots—more than five times the certified margin of victory. Overall, there were 57,734 impacted ballots.

    This is just anti-Biden spin of the worst (but predictable) kind. Two obvious points:

    (1) Why didn’t Trump’s “Cyber Ninjas” do the “forensic audit” they were engaged to? Or are they just hedging to get another contract? Or more likely – without any evidence – they claim “57,000 dodgy votes” allowing Trump to claim vindication on the basis of precisely nothing.

    (2) And the truly egregious and unsubtle implication is that the “57,000 dodgy votes” all went to Biden. He could have actually won by much more if not for widespread Republican cheating.

    Anyway – I don’t understand why we need to discuss this stuff on an Australian forum … we know the US system is archaic, easily hacked, and run by corrupt or at least very biased officials.

    Biden won a crooked election? So what – most of the electoral machinery in the states Biden took from Trump to win were run by Republicans. Hard fact for the Right to swallow, but it is the case.

    Biden won because (a) Trump was much disliked, and a drover’s dog could beat him, and (b) the Democrats worked hard to get out the vote, especially the mail-in ballots.

    [More unsupported claims, speculation, Nil value – LVA]

    536

    • #

      The things we know indisputably:
      1. US Elections are easily cheated. (You admit that).
      2. Biden barely won in key areas that all “changed overnight” from a Trump lead and only after counting was WOW stopped in five states and then strangely delayed and counted slowly. STOPPED!
      3. Trumps team wants full auditing, total transparency.
      4. Bidens team obstructed auditing and transparency at almost every step.
      5. Join the dots. It is obvious who really won the election.

      502

      • #
        Ian

        Joe Biden officially won Arizona by about 10,000 votes, but 23,000 voters have moved, 10,000 potentially voted in multiple counties, I think if you check those points you will find there are perfectly reasonable and rational explanations for the points you raise.

        415

      • #
        Ian

        If you read around a bit more you will find that Joining up the dots gives the election to Biden as the claims Trump and his supporters make have been comprehensively to be baseless. I am surprised that you haven’t checked a bit more thoroughly. I’ve got a couple of posts below that give links to explanations for what the lay person may take as irregularities.

        423

      • #
        Ian

        Sorry for the omission the line should read “have been comprehensively shown to be baseless”

        112

      • #
        Simon

        Cities voted almost overwhelmingly Democratic and the rural vote was Republican. Urban areas took a lot longer to count because of lack of resourcing. That’s why Fox News called Arizona early, because they knew the remaining votes were going to be overwhelmingly Democrat.
        The last US election was the most heavily monitored, scrutinised, and legally contested in history. 62 court cases bought by Trump supporters failed to overturn a single vote.
        No evidence of fraud was uncovered. The instigators of the so-called Kraken lawsuit have back-tracked stating that no reasonable person would have believed their claims.
        https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/the_kraken_cracks_under_pressure_sidney_powell_claims_no_reasonable_person_would_conclude_that_her_statements_were_truly_statements_of_fact
        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-lawyer-sidney-powell-dominion-lawsuit-b1820886.html

        28

        • #

          Democrats votes were honest and a record majority, which is why no one turned up to see BidenHarris, and counting was stopped in five key states, and took days to count because city votes are so HARD to collect and besides hard to count when observers have to be shut out, despite court orders.

          And that explains why the Democrats did everything possible to stop audits, delete the logs, and call everyone names who thought the US should have a voting system where ID matters and votes are not only honest but seen to be honest.

          142

    • #
      Brad

      Your level of TDS is stunning, or you get paid by the word count…
      As Julian Assange said, 98% of our politicians need to go to prison.
      President Trump issued an executive order covering election fraud in 2018.
      https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2020/11/28/trumps-executive-order-on-foreign-election-interference-has-serious-penalties/
      He also tweeted about vote switching to Mitt Romney during the 2012 election.
      He has it all, caught them, and will destroy them all, globally. The globalist deep state is done for.

      81

    • #
      Ian

      “[More unsupported claims, speculation, Nil value – LVA]”

      That is exactly the point Tilba+Tilba is making about the so called forensic audit that has changed nothing except to reveal, yet again, Trump’s claims of fraud are wrong.

      35

  • #
    Broadie

    There is a very simple lesson for Australia.

    Retain the paper ballot system.
    Control of the election booths, their operation and scrutiny of count to remain in those local polling stations overseen by casual staff for minimum compensation.
    No big Brother control of the election.
    Keep the Wham, Bam and Crash of locally controlled counts.

    Most importantly stop paying Politicians! When you pay them they become beholden to the people who select them. They are selected for their loyalty to the system not the people they are supposed to represent.

    and Yes! there will be instances of fraud used by the ‘Fake News’ to advocate for Big Brother, Democracy isn’t perfect and that is why our freedoms are protected from the Totalitarians and their secret police and surveillance. Supposedly installed under the pretext of protecting us from terrorists, climate change, and let us not forget the Covid.

    280

    • #
      David Maddison

      Broadie, recent months in Australia clearly show us our rights and freedoms are not being protected and nobody, including our politicians, seem to care.

      470

      • #
        Ian

        “Broadie, recent months in Australia clearly show us our rights and freedoms are not being protected and nobody, including our politicians, seem to care.”

        The rights and freedoms of those who support vaccination are being protected and as they are in the majority, the rights and freedoms of the anti-vaxxers are of less importance to the politicians. As in all political contests the majority view is paramount. However you could move to WA were life is pretty much the same as it was pre-pandemic

        442

        • #
          Old Goat

          Ian – Nice try. The rights and freedoms apply to everyone regardless. As to moving to WA they won’t let you over the border (unless you are an AFL footballer or staff) even if you are double vaccinated .

          290

        • #
          Old Goat

          Ian – apologies you can cross over as long as you are single vaccinated and quarantine . My bad…

          100

        • #
          Harves

          Lol, Ian thinks that his rights are protected by ensuring everyone else’s rights get trampled if the don’t agree with him.
          Ian, not one person here has objected to your right to be vaccinated, thereby in your view protecting you from the virus. Tell us again why you have a right to make anyone else get vaccinated?

          360

          • #
            Ian

            “Tell us again why you have a right to make anyone else get vaccinated?”

            I don’t have any right to make anyone get vaccinated nor did I claim to. Perhaps re-read my comment noting in particular “the rights and freedoms of the anti-vaxxers are of less importance to the politicians” which bit of that do you not understand?

            219

            • #
              Harves

              So Ian, are you saying you personally don’t support mandatory vaccinations?

              60

              • #
                Ian

                “So Ian, are you saying you personally don’t support mandatory vaccinations?”

                I didn’t mention anything about mandatory vaccinations but to give you a straight and direct answer. No, I do not support mandatory vaccinations.

                60

  • #
    a+happy+little+debunker

    The whole purpose of this election audit was to ensure election integrity going forward.
    The 2020 US election could not be undone, but the integrity of the 2024 election can be corrected.

    We can but wait and see…

    300

    • #
      Serp

      The mid term elections will straighten out any kinks in this tried and true permanent Democrat majority going forward the methodology for which was assuredly confirmed by the outcome of the Georgia run off.

      It’s super majorities for ever after innit? And who knows, once people realise resistance is useless elections will lose their allure and Mister Ten Percent can rule for life in the manner of Putin, Xi and even our own Victorian premier.

      40

      • #
        James Murphy

        As much as I hope the mid-terms will being some balance, the Democrats clearly benefited from “election fortification” whether they engineered it or not. I am not so sure that they will give up so easily when they know they have a “system” that works, along with strong media and business backing.

        20

    • #
      Brad

      You have it backwards…2020 MUST be corrected or the USA crumbles into communism. Trump has said this “If you rob a jewelry store and steal a bunch of diamonds and get caught, do you get to keep them anyway?” It has to be corrected, and all those involved need to be dealt with. GITMO is undergoing an expansion, and regional military prisons are being built.
      The PACER website tracks federal indictments, the last count I saw was over 220,000 sealed indictments. That is a lot of arrests.

      81

      • #
        a+happy+little+debunker

        There are only 2 mechanisms within the US constitution available to remove a President (from his 4 year term)

        1 Impeachment by both Congress (on a 51% vote) and the Senate (on a 60% vote)
        2 25th Amendment (mental capacity)

        There are no others!

        Do you really think it can be ‘proved’ (to the 60% mark) in a Senate that is evenly split that JOETATOE had an active hand in any state voter fraud?

        So put away those foolish notions and focus on what can be done, rather than what you’d like to be done…

        10

  • #
    Panda

    There are only a few (less than ten I think) swinging counties that need to be won to win the whole country in an election that was (apparently) so close. The results in Maricopa county clearly ought to be decertified and a fresh election held with better checks and balances. And it casts into doubt the whole result really. How many other counties had fraudulent elections? The Maricopa board of supervisors were highly resistant to the whole process and were caught destroying evidence.

    650

    • #
      David Maddison

      Sceptics of the election fraud claim that the conspiracy to fraudulently swing the election would have to have been infeasibly large but as Panda points out, the Left only had to target a very few areas to be able to do it so relatively few criminals had to be involved.

      210

      • #
        Serp

        And Trump won all but one of the historical bellwether counties while Joe with the largest vote in history, eighty-one million really, did it without coattails. Lord alone knows what sort of a world we’ll be living in by Christmas this year let alone the first Tuesday in November next year given the accelerating rate at which the Biden administration is laying waste its inheritance.

        130

  • #
    Panda

    *some members of the Maricopa board apparently were caught destroying evidence

    290

    • #
      David Maddison

      Australia doesn’t get very much right these days but I think our election procedures are fairly secure and the results fairly accurate.

      An improvement would be voter ID but the current system requires you to state your correct date of birth and address so it doesn’t allow completely random people to vote.

      Unfortunately the system doesn’t stop the uninformed, disinterested or apathetic from voting. For this reason I believe in non-compulsory voting.

      192

      • #
        David Maddison

        Sorry, that was not a reply to Panda.

        10

      • #
        James Murphy

        I agree, though I think one thing that has damaged the Australian electoral system is the way the preferential system is explained, or, rather, not explained to people. The ability to “vote above the line”, is nothing but a guarantee that the largest parties retain their status. “Preference deals” are a blight on the system.

        50

    • #
    • #
      Lance

      I watched the entire live broadcast of the audit. Mostly, it was like watching grass grow. Something very interesting was shown by the forensic team.

      The forensic team showed that some 1 Million data files were erased the day before the data was to be turned over to the forensics team.

      That erasure was time stamped in the surviving log files. The time stamp was synchronized with the security video time stamps for the workstation in question. The forensic team claims to know “exactly” who effected the erasure of the voter database files at exactly the time of the erasure.

      That is going to get “very interesting” in coming days. Whoever is on that video has got to be crapping square bricks about now, as they are facing decades in federal prison. Who wants to bet they squeal on someone else?

      361

      • #
      • #
        Ian

        “The forensic team showed that some 1 Million data files were erased the day before the data was to be turned over to the forensics team.”

        Actually Lance there were no data files deleted. Like virtually all of the statements made claiming election fraud there is no substance to the deletion lie.

        The firm behind Arizona audit says no data was destroyed, contradicting GOP allegations

        “A firm that is conducting a controversial election audit in Arizona confirmed Tuesday that no data has been destroyed, contradicting some Republicans’ claims that officials had deleted information regarding the vote tally in Maricopa County.”
        https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/554250-firms-behind-arizona-election-audit-reverse-say-no-data-was-destroyed

        Arizona auditors backtrack, say no election data destroyed.

        “Firms hired to run a partisan audit of the 2020 election for Senate Republicans in Arizona said Tuesday that data was not destroyed, reversing earlier allegations that election officials in the state’s most populated county eliminated evidence.
        https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/arizona-auditors-backtrack-election-data-destroyed-77766593

        Arizona auditors walk back claim that election data was deletedThey now admit they were looking for the information the wrong way

        Auditors hired by the Arizona state Senate backtracked Tuesday from claims that a key database had been deleted from Maricopa County’s elections servers — admitting in a hearing held by the Senate Republicans overseeing the audit that the data is intact and they’d been looking the wrong way.
        The blunder was the latest embarrassment for state Senate President Karen Fann and the Republicans who sought the audit, which is being overseen by a company called Cyber Ninjas.”
        https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/05/18/arizona-auditors-walk-back-claim-that-election-data-was-deleted/

        It is disappointing but not surprising that commenters here accept at face value every so called “fact” that claims fraudulent conduct. And as the backtracking is made by Doug Logan’s firm it can hardly be refuted as being “lies told by Democrats” as is so often the case. Why not face the facts instead of blindly believing the lies spouted by Trump and his acolytes

        415

        • #
          Old Goat

          Ian,
          Point taken. Now – what about the illegal votes ? The reason why a large part of the american public doesn’t trust the system…..

          91

          • #
            Ian

            Below are tweets from Maricopa County regarding assertions of voting irregularities

            Maricopa County
            @maricopacounty

            CLAIM: 23,344 mail-in ballots voted from a prior address.
            BOTTOM LINE: Cyber Ninjas still don’t understand this is legal under federal election law. To label it a “critical” concern is either intentionally misleading or staggeringly ignorant. AZ senators should know this too.

            Maricopa County
            @maricopacounty
            ·
            Sep 25
            Replying to
            @maricopacounty
            EXPLANATION:
            1) Military and overseas voters can cast a “federal only ballot” despite living outside the U.S. The address tied to their ballot would be their prior address in AZ.

            Maricopa County
            @maricopacounty
            ·
            Sep 25
            2) People are allowed to move from one house to another (or even one state to another) in October and November of an election year (yes, shocking!). If the driver’s license address matches the voter registration address, they are still allowed to vote.

            Maricopa County
            @maricopacounty
            3) For the November General Election Maricopa County had 20,933 one-time temporary address requests. In addition, snowbirds and college students tend to have forwarding addresses when they are out of the county.

            4) Mail-in ballots are not forwarded to another address.

            CLAIM: 10,342 potential voters that voted in multiple counties
            BOTTOM LINE: There are more than 7 million people in Arizona and, yes, some of them share names & birth years. To identify this as a critical issue is laughable.
            Maricopa County
            @maricopacounty
            ·
            Sep 25
            Replying to
            @maricopacounty
            EXPLANATION: 10,000+ votes in multiple counties is unlikely.

            More likely: different people, same name. Example: if you search for Maria Garcia born in 1980, you’ll get 7 active voters in Maricopa County and 12 statewide. And that’s just one name.

            There’s lots more that address points raised by the auditors

            https://twitter.com/maricopacounty/status/1441470639492108289

            610

            • #
              Old Goat

              Ian,
              Interesting. What about there being way more mail in votes received that what were posted out ? As far as the multiple counties vote that is misleading as only 1 cherry was picked . I would like to know what has happened in previous elections . As it has been pointed out before the voting system in the states is ripe for fraud . Elections should not be about who can cheat better , it makes them pointless . Besides Bidens presidency IS a disaster. His cognitive decline was obvious before the election and its stunningly obvious now . The media controls politics and this cannot end well.

              100

              • #
                Ian

                “Interesting. What about there being way more mail in votes received that what were posted out ?”

                Th reason is given below. It is very clear and straight forward

                In response to Logan’s remarks during the briefing, Maricopa County published a Twitter thread addressing his claim about mail-in ballots.

                In Maricopa County, we allow people to vote early in two ways: 1) by mail and 2) in-person at Vote Centers. These are all considered early votes,” the county wrote. “The people who vote in-person use ballots provided at a Vote Center. This is not a new practice, so it’s not unusual that we would have more early votes than mail-in ballots sent.”

                https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/23/fact-check-arizona-early-votes-dont-prove-claims-voter-fraud/7993652002/

                36

            • #
              markx

              Thank Ian, for digging out replies to the various allegations.

              There’s a lesson in all this: People will go to great lengths to believe what they want to believe, and will search out the statements that support their viewpoint, and will ignore other information, even if it is entirely plausible.

              And another: And Republicans especially have learned, mainly from Donald Trump, the great power of just making sh*t up.

              410

        • #
          Chrism

          Except that the claim that System logs were not erased is untrue

          The EMS System logs were erased by the running of a script ‘looking for a blank password’
          by the EMS Sys Admin account on 3 occasions in 11th Feb, 3rd March and 12th April and these
          blank searches had the effect of erasing 38k odd log entries

          the 12 April was the day before this server was passed to the audit team

          https://nworeport.me/2021/09/26/updated-bombshell-az-audit-team-caught-maricopa-county-deleting-election-files/

          110

          • #
            Chrism

            the audit team have matched timestamps with outside CCTV footage of individuals
            accessing the Sys log data and have passed that to Brnovich AZ AG

            their names have not been released as yet

            presumably there are relevant questions to be asked about the statutory requirement to
            hold electoral data for a minimum 22 month period to be answered

            90

        • #
          • #
            sophocles

            (This is not so much a reply to Brad as hanging from his comment. It’s intended to be informative to those who are not professionally (as in IT) paranoid about file data. Thanks Brad.)

            Computer filesystems are interesting beasties. Many people think that if a file is deleted, its contents are gone too. No, not necessarily. The disk blocks the file’s data occupies may only be marked as deleted and have not been erased or overwritten. Ergo Deletion only blocks/prevents access to the contents by wiping the starting block pointers (addresses). {Same method applies to Solid State Drives.)

            For the file’s contents (data) to be removed, the files must be wiped (erased) first by overwriting the file’s contents with other data/characters, such as nulls or zeros. Several times. (Even then, with careful — but time consuming — analysis, specialists can still recover surprising amounts of the supposedly destroyed data.)

            You can try it on your own computers if you can obtain file system security software. It’s readily available.

            But first: read Peter Gutman’s paper Secure Deletion of Data from Magnetic and Solid-State Memory The audit team IT people probably had little difficulty “recovering” the “deleted.”

            And when you do try it out:
            – do a full back up of your main system drive FIRST
            – do it on a different drive which does not hold your computer’s Operating System
            – it’s entirely at your own risk. I reject all and any claims of responsibility. Remember: You do so at your own risk.

            Hard drives I have finished with go through my own Diskstroyer (an 8lb large sledge hammer and some cold chisels on a decent block of concrete).

            50

          • #
            Ian

            Ian, they were deleted. The audit team was able to recover them.

            Read the reports Brad and you will find out what really happened. Why do so many commenters here fail to check facts that are from reliable sources?

            “Arizona auditors backtrack, say no election data destroyed”

            ‘Today at a hearing presided over by Arizona Senate President Karen Fann, the subcontractor tasked with the forensic audit of election data admitted that the forensic image of the server was not properly configured, which caused the data to appear deleted.
            https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-auditors-backtrack-say-no-election-data-destroyed1

            So in May 2021 the audit team itself stated the data was not deleted it only appeared to be. The revelation came a day after Maricopa County officials released a scathing letter saying the auditors couldn’t find the data because they didn’t know where to look. So the facts are the inexperienced audit team did not know how to access the data

            18

            • #

              what would experts know?

              22

              • #
                Ian

                what would experts know?

                Apparently nothing as very few here much prefer to believe any old rubbish providing it is in line with their prejudices The comments on the Arizona Audit exemplify that as even when Doug Logan’s team which was totally biased stated categorically it could find little to suggest fraud. If they admit that why would anyone believe otherwise

                12

              • #

                Why? Because they’ve nailed themselves to their cause and they don’t know how to use the claw hammer that is sitting in front of them.

                10

        • #
          Tel

          Yes there were files deleted, and no, at no stage did any of the claims get “walked back”.

          Anyone who knows about computer filesystems, understands that deleting a directory only removes the names of the files and unlinks them from the system. The actual contents of those files remains on disk and with suitable forensics those can be recovered. It is a completely well understood technique and gets used all the time.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undeletion

          NTFS stores file information as a set of fixed-size records (typically, 1KB) within the so-called Master File Table (MFT). File name and file allocation information are encapsulated into these records, providing complete information about each specific file. When the system deletes a file, the entry in the Master File Table is released to be either unlinked or reused, but it still remains on disk. Until the MFT entry is reused or overwritten, the file can be easily recovered: data recovery software can find the “lost” MFT entry and derive full information about the lost file from it.

          I believe that is the relevant paragraph for those voting machines, but there are lots of other forensic techniques, including proprietary methods.

          The technical term for deleting a file in an unrecoverable manner is “Data Erasure” as mentioned in the wiki article above. Saying that files have been fully erased is a substantially different statement to saying they have been deleted.

          As for destruction of evidence … clearly whoever deleted the files did believe they were destroying evidence, even though their lack of knowledge ultimately thwarted them from being able to achieve this.

          10

      • #
        PeterPetrum

        “I was only following orders” will probably be the plea. Hope we find out who gave the orders as that will lead to the rotting head.

        71

  • #
    PeterS

    If voter or election fraud can be proven then those responsible could face up to I think 5 years in prison. I haven’t checked all the penalties associated with such acts but they certainly do exist. So, if Trump does win the next election and it can be proven the 2020 election was indeed stolen from him, then I would throw the book at those who committed electoral fraud. They need to be flushed out and dealt with to serve as an example at least. We all know some election fraud always takes place but if the 2020 election fraud was so bad to have elected the wrong President then it can’t be brushed under the carpet. The alternative is to do nothing and allow both main candidates to commit as much election fraud as they like to see who is the better fraudster. Is that what it’s all going to be about from now on? We shall see.

    332

    • #
      Dave in the States

      Since its Democrats who the perpetrators for the most part, there will no jail time, no fines, nothing….

      Now if they were Republicans they would rot in jail for 5 years before it even came to trial. Yes, there is that much of a double standard. (reference the antifa rioters and the Jan 6th protesters and political prisoners’)

      262

      • #
        Dave in the States

        Since it’s Democrats who are the perpetrators for the most part, there be will no jail time, no fines, nothing….

        Now if they were Republicans they would rot in jail for 5 years before it even came to trial. Yes, there is that much of a double standard. (reference the antifa rioters and the Jan 6th protesters and political prisoners’)

        171

    • #
      Binny Pegler

      The whole thing is back to front. It shouldn’t be necessary to ‘prove’ fraud. Elections have always be about ‘proving’ fraud was impossible.
      The bottom line to the ‘peaceful transfer of power’ is CONVINCING a large group of people (usually nearly 1/2 the population) who are unhappy with the outcome, to accept it.
      Giving people the middle finger and saying “You can’t prove we cheated” is a good way to start a Civil war.

      200

  • #
    Tilba+Tilba

    Right now, the Democrats could regain theoretically trust if they campaigned for Paper ballots, clean voter rolls, real observers and using electronic voting machines to make new reefs.

    Why blame the Democrats at all? Republicans control far more election machinery, they are guilty of creation dozens of the most egregious gerrymanders.

    And mostly – they are using the false baseless claims of Trump to rip into their election laws to make it as hard as possible for anyone likely to vote Democrat.

    It is shameless theft of the democratic process – because Republicans know they can never win a fair election.

    I don’t know about Voter ID – it has been used and abused by Republican states … refusing to accept student ID in college towns, for example.

    Why not issue a registration card, like a Medicare Card, when you register to vote?

    I certainly don’t agree with election-day registration … if you can’t be bothered to get registered in the two years prior to known election dates, then why should you be indulged? You do need a system that allows a provisional vote, if you believe you’re registered.

    They need vote-counting machines because there are so many races on the same day – from president to congress to governor to state house to judge to sheriff to school board to dogcatcher.

    125

    • #

      Some Republicans are corrupt too. I said that in the post. Both Dems and some Reps like this crooked system.

      320

    • #
      WendyB

      I have had a voter registration card since the first time I registered to vote. They are not a picture ID. One should still need to show a picture ID whether it’s a drivers license, state ID or passport. The democrats oppose that. I wonder why. They also demand same day registration and voting….again, I wonder why.

      60

      • #
        Hanrahan

        In Qld Campbell Newman introduced ID at the booth to vote. It wasn’t onerous.

        Every registered voter received a barcoded slip in the mail which you could present, the barcode was read in seconds and you got your ballot paper. If this was beyond you a driver’s licence or an electricity bill [or any document] stating name and address which matched the roll was OK. The first thing the new leftist government did was to scrap it.

        Even that caught out one fraud that I witnessed. The lady in front of me gave her mother’s name but had no ID. Her protest was that her mother was demented and couldn’t vote so she was entitled to vote in her name. She wasn’t.

        For years now my Lady and I walk to the school and we get our ballot papers which I fill out, both of them. That IS legal. BTW I’m not an MCP, she asks me to do it.

        80

    • #
      James Murphy

      the democrats are on record as not wanting voter ID. Yet, strangely, they want people to show their papers when doing far more mundane things, like eating at a restaurant. In most states, if not all; some sort of official ID is available free of charge, so the argument that “poor” people cant afford it, is spurious.

      I don’t believe election fraud and/or electoral system engineering is limited to one party, and I think those who trust that the 2020 US elections were all above board, and free from outcome-altering manipulation are… naive at best. Still, good on you for standing steadfastly by your side of politics, the world wouldn’t run without pawns like you!

      60

  • #

    From my observations of human activities around the world and over many years, you can bet that wherever potential for fraud exists, it will be there.

    260

    • #
      Broadie

      Its evolutionary.
      I like how Jordan Petersen postulated that a greater good must exist due the fact such an evil could be done by mankind and therfore a balance must exist.
      Our Alinsky Alumni here give me joy as I know they can not enjoy the beauty of living with our imperfections. I respect their right to righteousness. However, their habit of supporting the regulation of their misery for everyone else is a bit of a pain.
      I just hope the American people can defend their first and second amendments for the sake of peace for our children

      60

    • #

      Aussie Pete… this is recuto ad absurdum or some such bad use of latin. Your own statement, if true, applies to the audit as well.

      14

  • #
    David Maddison

    Sadly, the US courts and most other people don’t want to do anything about this.

    Also, I think the recent California election results were highly suscpicious. Many people presented to vote only to be told they had already voted.

    US Courts have ruled in the past that fraudulent elections can’t be undone even when it is absolutely proven beyond all doubt that fraud was involved because laws will have been passed by the fraudulently elected government and time can’t be wound back. However, in President Trump’s case, courts should have heard the challenges before the inauguration / installation of the Biden regime. Trump was a clear winner and is the rightful President.

    It would help if there were compulsory voting ID in the US but the racist Democrats think that black and Hispanic people are too stupid to be able to procure ID documents. Tony Heller recently spoke about this and the consequences.

    See The World’s #1 Apartheid State by Tony Heller

    http://uploads1.newtube.app/TonyHeller/kUYPLfh

    240

    • #
      Custer Van Cleef

      but the racist Democrats think that black and Hispanic people are too stupid to be able to procure ID documents.

      From the Left, a perfect example of the Bigotry of Low Expectations.

      It’s actually insulting to those minority groups when you think about it.
      The real non-racist position is to expect the same standard from everybody.

      220

      • #
        James Murphy

        Yes, you are right. the same applies when people are charged, but ultimately not prosecuted for crimes because of “cultural differences”. Imagine being the victim of sexual assault, and being told, well, sorry, the case won’t make it to court because the alleged perpetrator is held to a different standard…

        40

  • #
    david

    It’s a mess and we all know where this is heading.

    130

  • #
    Peter C

    It’s not that the US doesn’t have free and fair elections, which it doesn’t, but that it’s not even trying.

    It is much worse than that!

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/az-audit-finds-proof-pre-meditated-fraud-multiple-ballots-verified-approved-stamp-pre-printed-behind-signature-box/

    200

    • #
      Graeme No.3

      Liberia in 1927:
      There were 15,000 registered voters and the losing candidate got 9,000 votes. The incumbent President outpolled him by just over 230,000 votes. Some people think that there may have been some fraud. At least the loser did better than a previous losing candidate for President who only managed to get 10 votes.

      74 percent of European countries ban absentee voting for citizens who reside domestically. Another six percent limit absentee voting to only those hospitalized or in the military, and still require third-party verification and a photo voter ID. Another 15 percent require a photo ID for absentee voting. France banned mail-in voting in 1975 due to massive voter fraud by mail in Corsica,

      100

  • #
    David Maddison

    Australia doesn’t get very much right these days but I think our election procedures are fairly secure and the results fairly accurate.

    An improvement would be voter ID but the current system requires you to state your correct date of birth and address so it doesn’t allow completely random people to vote.

    Unfortunately the system doesn’t stop the uninformed, disinterested or apathetic from voting. For this reason I believe in non-compulsory voting.

    70

    • #
      Peter Fitzroy

      David, your are required to provide your name, and your address, date of birth is not required.

      36

    • #
      Tel

      The theory is that being forced to show up on the day will make them a bit less apathetic. Trying to help them get better informed is mostly up to you and me.

      There are advantages of high turnout because it makes cheating more difficult … if you already have 95% of the people casting real votes, that only gives a limited scope for dropping in a few fakes.

      210

    • #
      Chris

      Our voting system is not reliable or compulsory. What is compulsory is getting your name ticked off at the register. Once in the booth you can write what you like, draw pictures or leave everything blank, thus making your vote invalid ( informal). I think this occurred in the WA elections where the Liberals weren’t worth voting for and Labor won by default.

      80

      • #
        Ross

        I have a brother in law who hates politics. Every election for the last 42 years he turns up to the polling station, gets his name ruled off the electoral roll. Receives his ballot paper, walks past all those booths and heads for the exit after stuffing the unmarked ballot in the boxes.

        100

  • #
    Forrest Gardener

    The audit demonstrates beyond any doubt that the election in Maricopa was an unmitigated shambles. There are people who want it that way.

    There is some interesting information about the timing of injection of duplicate ballots into the system after counting was stopped and the criminals knew how many fake ballots they needed to inject. The audit demonstrated that once fake ballots were injected into the system they could not be identified. That is a disappointment after the much heralded promise of Jovian Pulitzer’s techniques.

    The question which interests me is why the audit was so strongly resisted by the board of supervisors. Did they not know that the steal had been perfected and was undetectable? Or did they know all of the illegalities of their conduct would be exposed.

    Now lets see law enforcement act on what has been exposed.

    260

  • #
    Dave in the States

    I just found out that my county, which is not in Az, had over 100% voter turn out.

    230

    • #
      Ronin

      Dave, 100% turnout is a red flag anywhere, that deserves a look.

      220

    • #
      Lance

      Yeah. In the 2020 election, I found out that, supposedly, I voted in a previous state, when I haven’t lived there in 3 years. Had to fill out a notarized affidavit to that effect. I had records of house sale, utility cutoff, and cell service transfer to a new address.

      Also found out that when I showed up in person to vote at my new location, supposedly I’d already voted by absentee ballot, which wasn’t true.
      Again, an affidavit required. We shall see what happens in the upcoming election.

      Whoever tried to or actually scammed my vote better hope we never meet.

      220

      • #
        James Murphy

        but but but… there was no election fraud in the 2020 US election… you must be mistaken about where you live, and whether you voted or not… (sarcasm intended)

        50

  • #
    David Maddison

    Fair enough Peter. It seems not to be a current requirement for federal (your link) but I’m sure I’ve been asked before maybe in a previous state or federal election.

    30

  • #
    David Maddison

    Forty shilling freeholders. This was the idea that in order to have a right to vote you had to have a certain value of property. What do you think of some variation of this idea in modern Western democracies? The problem now is that political parties are in competition with each other to see who can give away the most welfare in order to secure votes. This applies to corporate welfare as well (i.e. protection from market forces ensuring that industry has no incentive to become efficient). Ultimately there will be so many people voting themselves funds from the public coffers there will be no incentive to produce. (We are almost at that point now.) If voters had some interest in owning some amount of property this would not be such an issue.

    130

  • #
    Hanrahan

    Judicial Watch was suing to get voter rolls cleaned up for years.

    Many counties in many states had 120% of eligible citizens enrolled. Many would simply have moved and not voted but many others would not be so innocent.

    140

    • #
      Hanrahan

      I’ve never been a fan of compulsory voting but it forces the Electoral Commission to keep their rolls clean and it forces the voters to remove themselves from rolls when they move.

      I’m warming to the idea.

      110

      • #
        Hanrahan

        Looking at voter turnout in Britain, it has not been over 70% for a qtr century bar the Brexit vote where 75% voted. I haven’t looked at similar numbers for the US because they would be unreliable.

        This is guesswork but I suspect that a “clean” roll would have about 70% of eligible voters enrolled, that means that systematic fraud could stuff the boxes with 50% extra votes, all with a matching name on the rolls.

        And the US has the gall to pass judgement on other nations’ election results.

        90

      • #
        Chrism

        I recal GB Shaw was persuaded this was the best anti-corruption measure to protect democracy

        20

    • #
      Hanrahan

      Here’s Tom Fitton on the topic. It’s short.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEs6gxRivYs

      30

  • #

    What starts in the US has a bad habit of crossing the Pacific. Best watch carefully in future elections.

    150

  • #
    Gary Simpson

    I see our Scott has been in the U.S. talking up our opposition to a totalitarian, aggressive, communist state. He could have saved the airfare and driven to Victoria (border controls permitting) and delivered the same speech.

    210

    • #
      David Maddison

      Scottie is also promoting “the hydrogen economy” and how Australia is going export hydrogen. He neglects to mention however, or he and his minders are too stupid to know, that the CO2 produced from coal to hydrogen conversion will have to be sequestered, forever, in Australia.

      140

  • #
    Clyde Spencer

    “No team that won 80 million real votes, and cared about public confidence would have made it so hard to audit, delayed for so long, and destroyed so much data.”

    Typically, a newly elected president likes to claim that he has a mandate from the electorate to support his agenda. In this case, there was clearly a cloud over the legitimacy of his election, even if it wasn’t corrupted. Yet, there was no attempt to dispel the cloud. Biden depended on the Media to simply declare that any claims of fraud were lies. A bipartisan congressional investigation, were it to dispel the cloud, would have established Biden’s mandate. Yet, there was no call by Biden or the DNC to investigate. Therefore, the cloud just got darker!

    180

    • #
      David Maddison

      Yes, if it was an honest election they should have welcomed any and all court challenges and audits and not destroyed any evidence. It would have proved that they had a genuine mandate.

      110

  • #
    bobby b

    US voter here.

    We blew it. All of the fraud was accomplished at the time, shortly before the election, when state governors and local politicians rammed through “emergency” voting rules and ballot procedures “because of Covid.”

    Once that happened, the outcome was pre-ordained. Once you let fake votes into the secret barrels – or once you throw out real votes before they get there – there’s nothing left to audit. You can count those votes as many times as you want.

    We should have attacked those new rules before election day. We didn’t, for the most part. And so piles of ballots went out to . . . who? Nobody knows.

    This is also why our courts couldn’t do anything about it. If all of the votes in the barrel got there by the rules, the courts can’t address those ballots. They could have addressed those rules, but only BEFORE election day. Once the barrels were filled, it was done.

    Lesson is, elections are won and lost in the months leading up to the elections. Pay attention.

    250

    • #
      Hanrahan

      For many republican Governors etc the dems are merely partners in crime but Trump was an existential threat.

      Your best hope is that rank and file Trumpsters show up in numbers next time as observers and INSIST on an uninterrupted view of proceedings and raise hell if that is denied.

      190

    • #
      Ross

      Yep. Even here in far away Australia I heard Trump say (June or July 2020??) that he thought the Democrats would try to steal the election.

      110

    • #
      Brad

      The election was a sting operation. All illegal acts were documented, arrests coming soon.
      Trump has repeatedly stated “We caught them all, let’s see what happens.”
      Did he look worried at last nights rally?

      40

  • #
    Travis T. Jones

    Funny how the people who wanted ‘every vote counted’ fought to have every vote recounted

    Nov 2020: ‘Count every vote’: protesters take to streets across US as ballots tallied

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/04/protests-votes-ballot-counting-us-election

    That didn’t age very well.

    70

    • #
      el+gordo

      Honest brokers believe the Electoral Vote Act needs to be updated and I’ll squeeze in this quote, US Exceptionalism is looking wonky.

      “Democracies today don’t die through coups or wars,” Rachel Kleinfeld said. “By the way, most democracies right now are failing. We’re in about the fifteenth year of a democratic recession globally. It’s been a pretty steady decline across all democracies. The U.S. is not an exception to that rule. The way they decline is by elected leaders with undemocratic tendencies altering the rules of the game.” (Freedom)

      140

  • #
    Kraken

    More sad cherrypicking from Jo, just ignore the facts and keep repeating lies.

    132

    • #
      Hanrahan

      Accusing someone of cherry picking only carries weight if you point out where and how, otherwise it is just flapping gums.

      290

      • #
        Kraken

        All the other media outlets have pointed how embarassing this is for the Reps and PJ Media have been called out repeatedly as liers, I think the burden of proof is with you.

        226

        • #
          Hanrahan

          All I hear is flapping gums.

          160

        • #
          robert rosicka

          Kraken , Care to put an exact number on “all the other media outlets” and which of these actually ran the story your claiming or is Hanrahan right and you’re just flapping gums ?

          120

          • #
            Kraken

            PJ Media have just made an opinion – without evidence, just gum flapping. A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
            If I said ‘all’ then the ‘number’ is irrelevant
            Why are you so happy the believe the stolen election lie that has failed, after numerous court actions and recounts , to produce ANY evidence ?.
            All the gum flapping is coming from you.
            Its the same climate denial playbook.

            114

            • #
              robert rosicka

              You made the opinion and assumption’s so I’m wondering if you can back up what you said , but of course you can’t . Where did I say the election was stolen ? And exactly who is denying the climate ?

              100

  • #

    Voters don’t need a machine,
    Just a pencil and paper and screen,
    In expressing their voice,
    Graphite marks their choice,
    And the count be public and seen.

    170

  • #
    OldOzzie

    Biden the latest in Wall Street’s presidential losing streak

    Oops, they did it again.

    Wall Street has a notoriously horrible record in recent years of backing presidential candidates who sound good on paper but ultimately turn out to be duds.

    Add Joe Biden to the list.

    Not only are C-suite executives at the big investment houses and banks conceding this in private, they worry this misstep could be costlier for the country and possibly their business models than those in the past.

    First, a little recent history on banks and their bad White House bets. They backed Barack Obama in 2008, convinced his transnational worldview would fit their agenda of globalism and free trade.

    As public mood shifted against the financial sector following the 2008 crash, Obama suddenly became a populist and went on to screw the banks with post-financial crisis regs that squeezed profits for years.

    That’s why they did a 180 in 2012 by backing Mitt Romney, which further inflamed their relationship with ­Obama when he won a second term. A hyper-accommodative Fed helped soothe some of the banks’ pain. Plus, they had a friend in the on-deck circle: The former first lady and Obama Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    We don’t have enough space to account for Hillary’s ties to Wall Street, but suffice to say they supported her brand of left-of-center, corporatist economic policies over the nationalism offered by Donald Trump.

    Wrong move again. No amount of Wall Street campaign cash could overcome her weaknesses as a candidate and the sleaze that followed her and her ex-president husband.

    Trump as president wasn’t exactly anti-bank but he also never forgot the betrayal as he was enacting his anti-globalist policies concerning trade and China.

    That brings us to the banks’ support of Joe Biden — the longtime senator from Delaware and ­Obama’s vice president who was supposed to make Washington normal again. Uncle Joe, even in his advanced age and drifting cognitive fastball, seemed to be a no-brainer over the anti-trade nationalist Twitter fiend who had been occupying the White House.

    How could they go wrong this time?

    90

  • #
    David Maddison

    To get out of this mess the US has to:

    1) Re-elect Donald Trump.

    2) Establish legally enforceable national election standards which ensure voting is secure, fraud free and which use validated voter rolls.

    In Australia, one of the few things done correctly is that there is an Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) and various State Electoral Commissions. However the AEC is responsible for maintaining both state and federal electoral rolls to uniform standards. It also seems that the state and federal electoral commissions seem to run their operations with a similar “look and feel” so there seem to be shared common standards.

    162

    • #
      Peter C

      There have been voting irregularities in our elections.
      The AEC has detected multiple votes, vote harvesting (old folks homes etc) and dead people voting. There has not been a single prosecution.

      130

      • #
        Disco Stu

        That is incorrect. There have been prosecutions but they often use different methods than jail time. Depends on circumstance.

        Do you jail an 80 yr old woman who sent in a mail ballot and then voted in person? This is more common than you may think.

        01

  • #
    Ross

    Then there was also COVID, BLM, Afghan withdrawal, Russian collusion, MSM bias etc etc. If you think that Biden won the election due to only a handful of counties then it was a pretty amazing effort by Trump. As an international citizen can we ask those in the US that it doesn’t please happen again? Because every US Presidential election year the whole world seems to go into a state of semi paralysis.

    100

  • #
    Simon

    Arizona Senate President Karen Fann, the Republican who paved the way for the so-called “full forensic audit” of 2.1 million ballots in Maricopa County, said the review’s overall vote tally matched the initial results in November. “Truth is truth, numbers are numbers,” Fann said at a Senate hearing on the review, which found only small variations, yielding 99 additional votes for Biden and 261 fewer votes for Trump. “Those numbers were close, within a few hundred.”

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/arizona-republicans-release-findings-widely-panned-election-audit-2021-09-24/

    321

  • #
    Kim Howard

    what is to know, CNN and media are now USA Government, is this not common Knowledge

    60

  • #
    Peter C

    There IS SO MUCH f…D already exposed in the Arizona audit. Every possible way of creating a false Biden Victory was used.

    The thing that is yet to come out is “Vote Swapping” by the dominion voting machines. That requires access codes to the machines (which have not been made available, despite subpoenas and offers of co-operation form the Arizona election officials. I don’t suppose that will change.

    The Kraken Team likely has the information. I hope we see it soon one way or another.

    100

  • #
    Klem

    I find it interesting that Elections Canada says they do not use Dominion Voting systems, they use paper ballots only. Then why would Dominion Voting have their HQ in Toronto?

    40

  • #
    CHRIS

    AZ is one of 50 states. Before being carried away by conspiracy theories, investigate possible voting frauds in GA. Concentrating on Dominion voting is simplistic. US elections have been fraudulent for decades (remember 2004… Bush VS Gore in Florida??). Get real.

    10

  • #
  • #
    TdeF

    This will have great impact on the utterly partisan January 6th March on Congress Criminal investigation, unless member Liz Cheney is still considered a Republican.

    The problem is that the marchers on Washington have been shown to have just cause, massive voting irregularities which could have changed the result. It was not an attempted coup. The simple demand that Congress did not confirm fake elections is now fully justified, as many in Congress knew at the time. And this is only one state. This is far from over, as is the investigation into the fake Russia dossier. And Hunter Biden’s multiple laptops, one directly implicating both Clintons and Jeffrey Epstein. And Bill Gates and many others.

    This congress and administration will end in ignominy and the investigation into these irregularities is far from dead. The US mid terms elections are on 8 November 2022, now only 13 months away. We may see another impeachment, if sleepy Joe turns is fully back from well earned holidays after 8 months of rolling self made disasters. Meanwhile President in waiting Kamala Harris is desperately trying to distance herself from Biden and the Mexico border disaster.

    90

    • #
      TdeF

      And President Xi had not calculated that while Trump was fighting the Washington hawks behind the never ending wars, the gigantic military industrial complex which is the other half of Washington is now in charge. This is despite the debacle in Afghanistan and partly thanks to the disaster, not of their doing. Really, who in a strategic retreat withdraws the military first and at high speed, unplanned? And without their $100Billion in equipment. And then sends them back? Oops is not good enough. You would not leave Joe Biden to watch the kids.

      The Washington Hawks are now in the ascendancy and Australia is now getting nuclear submarines. Good. Meanwhile the French hawks are very angry, as France is the world’s leading arms supplier and they have lost face with their go very slow diesel submarine project. It’s about the money.

      110

  • #
    Peter Fitzroy

    How is it that the MSM is wrong on this, as asserted in the port?

    The answer is most probably here

    113

    • #
      PeterS

      Yet another example of how you conflate the issue to promote a l1e. C0nspiracy theories can be true. To say that all c0nspiracy theories are false is a l1e. Most certainly can be false but certainly not all. I suppose the c0nspiracy theory that was being banded about before Japan attacked Pearl Harbour is the most classic example where one was actually true. There has been a lot of debate on the Pearl Harbour advance-knowledge c0nspiracy theory. The fact of the matter is there were spies who had information pointing to such an attack but didn’t know the exact details of when the attack was to happen and how. The military were warned but they didn’t take it seriously enough. The rest as they say is history.

      80

      • #
        TdeF

        Of course it does raise the question of what happens in a real conspiracy? If no one see it, they are all lacking critical thinking ability. Or part of the conspiracy.

        30

        • #
          PeterS

          In that circumstance where a real conspiracy continues to its completion without anyone ever noticing (apart from those who conspire of course) then it becomes a perfect crime. After all there have been many who have conspired to perform criminal acts, such as in the corporate world with insider trading, but no one has ever noticed and so they have escaped detection and punishment. If others knew it was going on but kept quiet then under the law they are also committing an offence. When the event is something outside of the local jurisdiction but even more serious, such as a nation conspiring to attack another one then the public who are not aware of it occurring are not to blame. Those who are incumbent to know, such as the military are to blame as that’s their duty to detect and defend the nation they serve. That’s why we have armed forces, both military (defence forces) and civilian (police). Today though we are witnessing a breakdown of that duty by the police where some have gone beyond their role and have become thugs beating up people for doing something that doesn’t warrant it or even doing nothing at all.

          20

          • #
            TdeF

            It’s why there are whistleblower laws.

            Except the only time I have seen the US laws used was to allow Democrats to impeach Trump and protect their insider who in fact was not listening to the phone call in question. He was given amnesty and enormous support in what was a massive conspiracy to bring down the President.

            Biden had in fact already completed an extortion with the Ukranian Presdient to remove a prosecutor and stop him chasing Hunter Biden’s boss. But still there are no impeachment proceedings even though it is an open and shut case. That is a conspiracy to do nothing.

            FairWork Australia is sitting on an open case to charge Premier Daniel Andrews with causing 800 deaths under a Daniel Andrews law which makes him criminally liable. That is another conspiracy to do nothing.

            And Andrew’s ministers and even the Commission of police openly lied to protect Andrews in a rigged inquiry which found Andrews innocent of even making a decision everyone knew he and he alone made. Another conspiracy of silence.

            And Victoria convicted Cardinal Pell and put him in jail, solitary for over a year without a shred of evidence, obvious when the case was taken outside the Victorian legal system of anti Catholic police, judges, media and even an appeal court. Everyone lied. Except Judge Mark Weinberg who in a strongly dissenting opinion upheld the appeal and could not believe a criminal verdict of guilty without any evidence. As far as I know, Pell’s accuser did not even appear on court for the second trial. And the second alleged victim never accused him and denied it happened.

            So how could you possibly be convicted of a crime against a person who had denied it happened? Only in Victoria. And unassailable and protected ABC reporter Milligan was awarded a Golden Quill for jailing an innocent person. No apology. A very successful conspiracy to jail an innocent man with the Victorian police even advertising cash rewards for evidence against Pell. Guilty before proven innocent.

            You do not have to be weak minded and illogical to see all this. Everyone can see it.

            91

          • #
            Kraken

            Peter, the Pearl Harbour conspiracy theory was obviously true, a mountain of evidence exists, full points for you. The stolen election lie has produced no viable evidence, zero points.
            Next you may try asserting that the lack of evidence is in itself THE evidence. Its unfalsifiable, but its your only shot.

            05

        • #
          Dave in the States

          That’s exactly what happened concerning the Japanese MSM in the case of the Mukden Incident.

          30

  • #
    yarpos

    An interesting piece with a section on the audit, talking about how the media deliberately avoid key findings and the sheep just take in what they say, while the indoctrinated lap it up because its what they need to hear.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/09/why_your_otherwise_smart_friends_think_stupid_things.html

    I read it because I am often dismayed that friends, who I know are smart in other ways, just parrot phrases from the MSM and never bother to scratch one layer down to see if its real or not. When I point out things that clearly fail a basic common sense test they just shrug.

    90

    • #
      PeterS

      Yes, and if one does their own research to uncover as much as possible the truth one finds so much of what the MSM says, including the likes of Sky News, is fake. I’ve always done my own research for as far back as I can remember, I think as far back as when the 1987 stock market crashed as I was interested to know why it happened. I sensed something was wrong the days leading up to it but couldn’t put my finger on it. Ever since then I always wanted to get as much of the truth as possible given the MSM even back then didn’t have a clue. Today things are far worse. Much of what is broadcast as “news” is at best one sided and at worst utter lies. Ever since I’ve started to watch RT News (Russian News on Foxtel for example) I felt like I’ve stepped out of a noisy and smoky disco and into a more peaceful and clearer world. Granted RT News is not perfect but it does show many sides, left, right and everything in between. With much due diligence and discernment I can see through a lot of the crap and actually see what’s happening in the real word, warts and all. The more common MSM, such as the ABC, Sky News are so pedestrian, boring and fake in comparison.

      51

      • #
        Ross

        Sometimes, in a past life, I used to tune into the ABC to see what the other side of politics were discussing on any particular subject of note. Now, I dont bother- they are too predictable.

        20

    • #
      GlenM

      I find that too Yarpos. Most people live in a cocoon (no racial slur intended) of their circumstance. How can we know should be the refrain.

      20

      • #
        YallaYPoora Kid

        I find your remark offensive that you put – no racial slur intended. It is totally unnecessary to say such a thing just because you use a word in its correct sense from the English language – even if you meant it as a joke. Following what the woke brigade has done in Australia using such hyper-sensitivity to change our language and culture including intimidating modification of businesses titled by peoples names as consequence it repulses me. Don’t give them any ideas to extend their overreach.
        Apologies for the rant.

        20

    • #
      Kim

      My approach has always been – i) keep them contained – ignorant and ineffective, ii) be independent, iii) be knowledgeable, iv) be critical. The best way to beat them is through natural selection – i) have plenty of kids, ii) pass down good values and capital to the kids, iii) keep everything within the local ecosystem and don’t feed the beast.

      40

  • #
    Kim

    Of-course they are. They are not genuine – dinkum – true blue – in anything else so why should they be?

    00

  • #

    So the instruction here is to ignore all sorts of independent experts who don’t agree with the narrative presented here because the MSM reported them. Where do these experts in election law and governance get to air their views because the likes of pjmedia sure wont interview them?

    311

  • #
    David Maddison

    Notwithstanding the biggest election fraud in American history (and probably the biggest fraud of any kind) which meant the losing candidate was installed in the White House, clearly many people did genuinely vote for Biden.

    Biden’s and the Democrats’ hatred of America and the damage they would bring was obvious, even with massive censorship in favour of the Dems by the socialist and lamestream media. It is alarming that so many Americans were ignorant enough and stupid enough to vote for him.

    100

    • #
      Ian

      “It is alarming that so many Americans were ignorant enough and stupid enough to vote for him.”

      But according to Trump the stupid and ignorant didn’t vote for Biden but for him but somehow it became overtaken by fraud. Jeez what a drip that man is

      06

  • #
    tygrus

    If, buts & maybe’s. The could, may & possibly are not enough for evidence.
    Postal vote envelopes could have been used for the pre-poll or absentee votes at official polling places. YMMV. This is probably why the postal votes vs mailouts look deceptive. Please check the facts not the headlines. The electoral office & courts checked these issues & found no evidence of widespread nor significant voter fraud. Any fraud could go both ways to possible favour the Republicans as well as the Democrats, don’t assume it to be 1 sided. A few hundred here or there would not have changed the majority outcome.

    What remains is to ensure future elections are fair while ensuring all potential voters have a fair opportunity to cast their votes. There should not be a favour for those of white European descent with good jobs & wealthy politicians. The political representatives should be representative of the many cultural backgrounds, age, gender, ideologies, beliefs etc. Arguments should be based on quality evidence, not extreme thinking. Any debate with extreme’s probably has the truth somewhere in the middle slightly offset to a side (wrongs & rights on all sides).
    How do these decisions affect people that don’t agree with you?
    What if a claim I/you believe is wrong?
    What would it take to know for certain or to change my/your opinion of an claim/idea?
    Free speech is not about enforcing my right to speak but IT IS GIVING OTHERS THE SAME OPPOTUNITY I HAD TO DISAGREE WITH ME.

    25

    • #

      Tygrus, if you can get someone to state this on the non mainstream media they will believe you.

      09

    • #
      Kraken

      David,
      You can be sceptical and disagree all you want, but its meaningless without evidence, the Kraken was laughed out of court.
      If you continue this after the avalanche of non-evidence then you’re just another reality denier and should sit in the corner with the flat-earthers and climate deniers.

      38

      • #
        Ian

        and should sit in the corner with the flat-earthers and climate deniers.

        I doubt there is enough to sqash many more intuit particular corner especially the considerable number here who , amazingly, believe Trump won despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If the biased Doug Logan admits their isn’t any evidence of fraud surely that is proof enough.

        16

    • #
      Ian

      Good comment tygrus. See if you c an get it on the far right wing media oullets that are so popular here

      15

      • #
        John+R+Smith

        You mean I should listen to ‘good ‘ news media, say like PBS and NPR?
        I did.
        Watched the Bill G ‘interview’.
        And Judy was was very up front about the fact she was ‘interviewing’ the guy that pays her.
        Did you know that Jeffery was dead?
        I also learned that the richest man in the world, that considers overpopulation an existential threat, is passionate about vaccines for all.
        A ‘passion’ he shared with Jeff.
        Fine men.
        I feel all informed.

        60

  • #
    Peter C

    Most encouraging news so far.
    Arizona AG says he will take the necessary actions where they are supported by evidence. I hope those are not weasel words.
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/high-noon-arizona-attorney-general-mark-brnovich-dont-stand-now-protect-constitution-rule-law-never-get-back/

    70

  • #
    Mike+Jonas

    Characterize people by their actions and you will never be fooled by their words.
    – Anon
    (Really just a paraphrase of “By their deeds ye will know them”)

    If the election had been above board, the Democrats would have welcomed an audit, and would not have opposed it and then obstructed it.

    There is only one possible conclusion: the election result was biased in some way towards the Democrats, and they knew it.

    90

  • #
    Old Goat

    Wow Jo – stirred up the hornets nest . There has been so much time elapsed from when the election that all sorts of manipulation of the evidence probably has occurred. What is disturbing for me and points to conspiracy is the censorship and resistance to auditing and verification . There is so much “spin” going on everyone is getting dizzy . You can find articles that “prove” almost anything . The debate in this blog is evidence of that . Hard evidence is the key and in most cases its incomplete or missing .

    22