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    Seen a few people that claim to be refusing to wear masks also, announce that a Christian faith is holding them together during the pandemic. Am wondering how these people interpret Leviticus 13:45 in general for infectious disease. Not just Skin diseases. Am wondering what type of faith encourages them to do the opposite of the bit i bolded below.

    “Anyone with such a defiling disease must wear torn clothes, let their hair be unkempt, cover the lower part of their face and cry out, ‘Unclean! Unclean!’”

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      Gerry

      Its faith that’s “holding them together”. Faith in God. Do you have faith in anything? What do you know about faith?

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        Tilba+Tilba

        Thank god for atheists!

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        Robert Swan

        Oddly enough, faith is all that the mask wearers have to go on too.

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          Robert Swan
          It is very obvious from places like Singapore where people rebelled against both the WHO and their own government instruction not to wear masks that things went better. Then when the situation reversed and the WHO and Singapore government directed masks should be worn that things went even better again.
          https://www.statista.com/statistics/1110960/malaysia-wearing-masks-during-covid-19-outbreak/

          It can also be seen from Israel that when the mask mandate was dropped for ten days the cases began a very rapid climb. Then after they were reintroduced the doubling rate though still strong was reduced from then on.
          https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57594155

          There are also studies like this to ignore.
          “An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19”
          “The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of nonmedical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures, could successfully reduce Re to below 1, thereby reducing community spread if such measures are sustained.”
          https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

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            OriginalSteve

            Yeah heres the thing…I have long suspected that the “figures” have been altered to suit the agenda of the day. There appears there is no chain of custody especially in the Chinese Protectorate of Victoria, the end result being that the figures are likely complete fabrications with little or no transparency.

            But there is this elephant in the room of the reality that covid itself has a 99.x % recovery rate , so why the lockdowns etc?

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            Wet Mountains

            Siliggy: Everything you noted may be true. But it is all based on the assumption one variable is responsible for the effect. Are there possibly other factors at play? The late Rush Limbaugh used to say, “Almost everyone who dies has eaten green peas in the last six month.” I understand this virus is 0.1 microns and an N-95 mask will filter 0.3 microns; the masks people are being told they must wear will filter 10 to 20 microns and that does not consider the bandanas people like to wear. You do the math. Even at that, if they are not perfectly sealed on the face they are useless. I ask people wearing masks how big this killer virus is, they don’t know what I’m talking about, but they will fight you to the death defending the need to wear one.

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              “I understand this virus is 0.1 microns…etc “You do the math.”
              The math at the individual level is all about wind velocity on the exhale. Not particle size on the inhale. The mask as a strategy for the community spread reduction is not for the individual protection of the wearer at all. So the math needs to show assistance to the overall aim of getting Re or as i prefer to use λ below 1. Both Re and λ asmyptote at 1.

              The aim of “flattening the curve” at 1 or just above is pure evil designed to fail by perpetuating the endless struggle for longer than forever. The result of aiming for “flattening the curve” is failure after battle fatigue.

              The aim that can quickly bring freedom from endless lockdowns and mask wearing etc is
              to get Re or λ well below 1 and keep it there until incoming quarantine from failed states takes over. The time it takes to reach freedom exponentially shortens as λ goes down toward zero.

              1000 infected people becomes only 900 after one time iteration at λ = 0.9. Then that 900 becomes 810 etc for many iterations until contact tracing and quarantine turn the exponential decline into a more rapid stop.

              Lowering the λ to say 0.362 with 1000 infected will result in 362 being infected after just one time iteration. After the next time iteration it is down fast to 132 people. at which point the contact tracing and isolation etc are having a dramatic effect on steepening the exponential decline. It is all over quickly.

              If wearing a mask did not slow the exhale wind velocity from unknowingly infected people then how could sail boats ever work with cloth sails? While they may not prevent infection they only need to delay the average rate a few days to assist the larger aim.

              More math. A wise government that was truly seeking to get Re or λ down might encourage ivermectin or neem as prophylaxis and teach the public to get some limited midday UV on their skin etc. They might get the seasonal peak of variable λ down to 1.1 but that would fail. With the addition of mask wearing for the temporary elimination exercise λ and or Re could go below 1. But getting it down further ends it all sooner. From there incoming quarantine from states of failure is still required unless methods to keep λ below 1 without inconvenience or risk are used. Vaccines, aka experimental micro clot shots are not required. We just need to learn to live without it.

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                Wet Mountains

                Good morning Siliggy, read your comments last night (twice) and must say I had never thought of “wind velocity on the exhale” or comparing that to a function of a sailboat. You obviously are a deep thinker, much deeper than I. However, I will dance with you on this topic for a few words.
                If I understand your point, a person at rest would emit fewer viruses than a person who just came up a flight of stairs or was jogging. As a sailboat would be stationary in the doldrums and moving swiftly in a Cat5. And wearing a mask does nothing for the wearer but protests persons around the wearer. And inhaling through a porous mask will protest you because the velocity is low. Must admit this is something to consider.
                I had a business associate, many years ago, who’s favorite saying was, “IF you can’t dazzle them with your brilliance, dazzle them with your BS.” Considering you are not a BS’er, I will yield to your brilliance. Reading your comment reminded me of a seminar I attended given by Westinghouse Electric on the design of very large electric motors. The PhD that made the presentation spent hours discussing impedance curves, magnetic centers and other involved design concepts. Everyone’s eyes glazed over, and he spent the afternoon talking to himself, which he was very content to do.
                Your math is your math. How many projects have look great on paper, only to turn out less than expected? Paralysis by analyses!
                But I enjoy reading your work and will watch for you in the future. Now, it is time for me to move on to Monday. Take care.

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                Lucky

                The analysis from Sliggy has some merit.
                Not mentioned but adding to the argument would be proper use of the equations which quantify fluid flows.

                Note, there are non-linear relationships. At the quite small dimensions of concern here some aspects change in importance. In particular, surface tension and electrostatic forces. Both of these would when properly considered make fluid flow slower than if human scale dimensions were simply linearly extrapolated.

                Nevertheless, I prefer to rely on the ‘macro’ studies which indicate no discernible effect from mask wearing.

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                Robert Swan

                So the mask won’t reduce the amount virus, but it will slow it down. Interesting, but how does that help? If I am (unknowningly) shedding virus at the supermarket, the same number of particles end up in the air. They are denser than air, but they won’t just drop to the floor like so many tennis balls. There is a huge buoyancy effect and they will linger, going both upwards and downwards on air currents. Whatever velocity I may have given them will be irrelevant in less than a second.

                Indeed, won’t slowing them down tend to leave them all in a smaller bundle leaving a more concentrated dose for the person pushing the trolley behind mine?

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              “the assumption one variable is responsible for the effect.”
              Four Australian states are currently maintaining zero community transmission. This clearly does not mean they have stopped eating peas.

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        Gerry.
        Faith may get you there either way but Matt 5:19 “So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
        How much faith does it take to protect the elderly and vulnerable from spraying your own coughs and sneezes onto them?
        I think it requires a whole lot less than praying for their healing after the damage is done.

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          Mark Kaiser

          Matt 5:19

          Wait Siliggy, are you saying that one of God’s commandments applies to CoVid but not the flu?

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            Tilba+Tilba

            Wait Siliggy, are you saying that one of God’s commandments applies to CoVid but not the flu?

            Covid-19 is very different to the flu. People with flu are generally feeling wretched straight away, and there is a lot of social pressure to not go your workplace, on public transport, or any situation with crowds.

            However with the coronavirus, you might be highly infectious despite having only tiny symptoms, and none at all … that is the point of testing and contact-tracing.

            And masks work.

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            Mark Kaiser Now that you mention it the mask wearing does seem to have had an effect on the flu. I guess these things speak for themselves.

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              OriginalSteve

              I think youre speaking complete nonsense.

              Please dont twist Gods word for some pro-mask agenda…..talk about playing with fire…..yeesh…

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              Mark Kaiser

              Mark Kaiser Now that you mention it the mask wearing does seem to have had an effect on the flu. I guess these things speak for themselves.

              Just so you understand, I wasn’t anti-mask when CoVid effects were unknown and quite deadly. Now that we have treatments for CoVid (ivermectin etc.) and it has hopefully mutated down to something like the flu in terms of fatality rates, I worry about a precedent being set. If masks continue to be mandated for CoVid, then the same would apply to the flu. Except that means masks for 4 months of the year indefinitely.

              Not a viable solution.

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          Gerry

          Siliggy, you still haven’t said what you know about faith. Most people have faith in something but don’t call it faith. If you trust your decisions about your health on the governments directives, you are putting your faith in their judgement. I’m not sure mcgowans pronouncements are an improvement on The New Testament.

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            Gerry while i did attempt to answer your question you have not answered my question.
            David Maddison below has given a very good answer What is yours? How do you interpret that verse in such a way that your “faith” leads you to do the opposite? If it does.

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      R.B.

      Some Christians tend to use the Bible to justify their predetermined opinions. This stems from the practice of having to justify religious teachings from passages in the Bible. The original practice was meant to generate debate and stop brainfarts. You are allowed to have your opinion on how successful it was, but most Christians would be happy to stick to justifying health advice with scientific data and knowledge.

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        Wet Mountains

        Not being an expert on “most Christians, I couldn’t say what they might be happy to stick with other than their faith in God. I don’t understand this compulsion to denigrate Christians over there position on being injected with a DNA modifying drug. There are members of other religions that don’t want to take this, untested, experimental vaccine. I heard it has pig amino-acids incorporated in the RNA messenger molecule. Are Muslims going to be attacked if they won’t take it?

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          David Maddison

          You can be absolutely certain thst the Left will never criticise mohammedans.

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            Tilba+Tilba

            You can be absolutely certain [that] the Left will never criticise mohammedans.

            You have set yourself up as an export on what “the Left” thinks, believes, feels, wants, and aims for. Where does this skill come from?

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              Wet Mountains

              No he has not! He has set himself up as an expert on what the left does! Again and again. No secret and doesn’t take an expert, just an objective set of eye balls.

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              Lance

              “You have set yourself up as an export on what “the Left” thinks, believes, feels, wants, and aims for. Where does this skill come from?”

              Well, this is ironic.

              You have set yourself up as an expert on what “the Right” thinks, believes, feels, wants, and aims for. Where does this skill come from? Answer the mirror image of your constant claims in dozens of posts.

              If it weren’t for double standards, the Left would have no standards at all.

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          Ian

          “I don’t understand this compulsion to denigrate Christians over there position on being injected with a DNA modifying drug”.

          Perhaps it is because vaccines do not modify the DNA. That is just spurious BS. DNA is double stranded and is contained in the cell nucleus. mRNA is single stranded and does not enter into the nucleus so it cannot be incorporated into the DNA.

          “I heard it has pig amino-acids incorporated in the RNA messenger molecule.|

          Then you heard a very great deal of BS. First, all mammals use the same 20 amino acids. Second, amino acids are not incorporated into messenger RNA (mRNA). mRNA codes for specific amino acids by using codons consisting of three nucleotides. These codons are decoded by transfer RNA (tRNA). tRNA molecules transfer amino acids to the ribosomes for protein synthesis. There are different tRNAs for each amino acid.

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            Wet Mountains

            Well done Ian. But my comment achieved my goal. Everyone that reads this began to wonder (with the exception of yourself maybe). While you understand basic biology well enough to know that what I said cannot be, the average reader does not. (And I will admit it’s been 50 years since I studied it in depth.) Meaning they are dependent on others to provide accurate information, and that is not happening. A different story each day, often contradicting the previous days story. While you have great knowledge of how a cell functions you have no idea how this experimental drug functions, unless you were personally involve with its development. Assuming you were not, even you are completely dependent on what someone else is telling you about how this drug works and what it does to the human cell. And no one knows the long-term effects. This is not a vaccine…under the classical definition of vaccine. It reprograms the cell to perform a task the cell was not intended to perform. What else does this drug tell the cell to do? Bill Gates was part of its development. Your trust may be misplaced. Not looking for a word fight or who is the smartest guy in the room (you can have that title. I want to provoke thought about what we are doing and why.

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              Ian

              “It reprograms the cell to perform a task the cell was not intended to perform.”

              That’s just plain wrong.

              Vaccines stimulate lymphocytes, white blood cells that are part of the immune system, to synthesise antibodies and to destroy infected cells . There are two types of these lymphocytes, B cells and T cells. These are specialised cells and are the only cells in the body that are able to recognise and specifically respond to antigens such as viruses and bacteria. B cells interact with and destroy antigens that are freely circulating outside infected cells. This is called Humoral Immunity. T lymphocytes bind to infected cells and via cytokines, destroy infected cells. This is called Cellular Immunity.

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                TedM

                Actually it makes the cell produce spike proteins.

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                James Reid

                My understanding is that the mRNA “vaccines” encode for spike proteins which the human body (cells) then manufacture, which in turn is supposed to stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies. If this is not reprogramming I’m not sure what is? These artificial spike proteins were not supposed to be there and we don’t know what they will do in the body short or long term.

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                OldOzzie

                Quick question Ian – having excess White Cells – i.e CLL – where am I at?

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                Ian

                “Quick question Ian – having excess White Cells – i.e CLL – where am I at?

                You probably wold have an impaired response to the vaccine

                https://cancerdiscovery.aacrjournals.org/content/11/7/OF4

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                Wet Mountains

                OLOzzie, This came to mind with your question about white blood cells. Not sure if this is were you were going.

                Leukemia usually involves the white blood cells. Your white blood cells are potent infection fighters — they normally grow and divide in an orderly way, as your body needs them. But in people with leukemia, the bone marrow produces an excessive amount of abnormal white blood cells, which don’t function properly.

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                Wet Mountains

                This entire vaccine push by governments all over the world reminds me of the fast-talking salesperson who implies that only smart people will see this great deal for what it is, and if you do not sign the contract right now it will not be available tomorrow, as they slide the contract across the table accompanied by an ink pen. They are far too desperate to have you sign up.
                Sixteen out of eighteen members of the CDC advisory panel voted not to endorse the third shot of “vaccine.” The once college professor now appointed director of the CDC overrides this vote and says the third shot is necessary.
                Bill Gates has proudly talked about “If we had a vaccine that would change the way people think…” and Mr. Gates heavily funded mRNA research.
                I see elites all over the world being injected with…? I do not know what they are being injected with. I know what I am being told they are being injected with, but normal saline looks similar the “vaccine.” Far too many people that have been vaccinated are coming down with the virus. Officials say ICU overflowing with unvaccinated, while ICU employees say that is not true and there are beds available
                This whole thing comes across, to me anyway, as a traveling snake oil show. Step right up.

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                Kalm Keith

                Thanks for that string of posts Wet Mountains.
                Good reading and helpful.

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                OldOzzie

                Wet Mountains.

                I have had CLL for over 20 years and WBC went up dramatically when I had Legionnaires’ disease well over 100 and I was supposed to start Chemo a year later but Lungs became full of fluid and damaged heart – Specialists had absolutely know idea what happened, and heart healed with treatment over 4 years

                Head & Neck Cancer has taken over, but I recover quickly from Minor & Major Ops and keep bouncing along feeling healthy – with blood tests every 3 weeks, able to keep close eye on WBC – varying 17-19 at the moment, which for me is pretty good.

                Following antiviral approach for well over a year and look the healthiest person in the Cancer Clinic

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          I am not getting the vax. My comment is about masks.
          So not sure who this is aimed at.
          “I don’t understand this compulsion to denigrate Christians over there position on being injected with a DNA modifying drug”
          The mask question should not ever be mixed up with the vax question. They are working against each other. The mask is helpful to eliminate and then proceed later without masks and without vaccines.

          Seen this? https://www.bitchute.com/video/jm2euik7MlCV/

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            gowest

            Masks are partially successful, probably will help you from being infected by the vaccinated 😉 if used in conjunction with D3, Zinc and a swig of cough medicine – (at least its in your lungs defending against spike proteins adhering to your tissue).

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          R.B.

          Not having a go at Christians. If you don’t do the science yourself, it’s also faith.

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        OriginalSteve

        As an Engineer and Christian , yes science and facts are important however science and faith are not mutually exclusive.

        One reason I wont touch the mRNA vaxes is they used aborted foetel cells during testing which I have a moral issue with. And the science also says they cause micro clotting and kill people. So either side of the discussion one would do it for “no”, but faith is way more powerful and will come into play as the Mark appears ( likely soon ).

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          “One reason I wont touch the mRNA vaxes is they used aborted foetel cells during testing which I have a moral issue with. And the science also says they cause micro clotting and kill people.”

          Both are good reasons. Very happy to agree with you on this. But the choice not to wear masks could also be causing abortions and killing people. It is important to see masks and vaccines as very different.

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      TedM

      Hmm. You overlooked the previous verse Sliggy, wonder if that was intentional. That verse begins with “He is a leperous man, he is unclean….”. A clear reference to someone with leprosy in that era with no opportunity to be treated for that disease.

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      David Maddison

      In the Hebrew Bible “tzaraath” (Hebrew צרעת) referred to a variety of unspecified skin diseases (which we can only guess at because precise modern diagnostic criteria weren’t provided, but they were not the commonly mistranslated leprosy or Hansen’s disease). An afflicted person was expected to isolate from the community until the condition resolved.

      Tzaraath could also apply to clothing and houses. If the tzaraath didn’t disappear the clothing or house had to be destroyed. A modern interpretation is mould or fungal growth on the clothing or house.

      Today, one of the moulds that can afflict houses is Stachybotrys chartarum. A pest controller expert (PhD) recently told me he had encountered some severe infestations of this mould in rural properties and the only practical way to get rid of it entirely and prevent infestation of surrounding properties was to burn them.

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        Graeme No.3

        Interesting in that I only heard (on the grapeline) that someone I know is having illness caused by mould. His solution though has been to abandon city living.

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          Tilba+Tilba

          Our eleven years in Darwin involved fighting mould constantly. Bad infestation had a distinct unpleasant smell.

          Louvres open permanently, big tropical fans revolving on the slowest speed constantly, and hardly any textile-fabric surfaces anywhere – certainly no carpets or voluminous curtains.

          Paths and pavers went black – a container of HCl and a high-pressure washer were standard equipment.

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          PeterPetrum

          Farmer’s Lung is caused by mould spores, often from Aspergillus spp, which is common on mouldy hay and other vegetable materials around farms. Really nasty when it takes hold.

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      The disease the climate oppressors are calling “unclean” is prosperity. They seem to seek a return to the world of Leviticus.

      [ small edit. LVA]

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      Chris

      Leprosy.

      Jesus said “:: …..
      I give you a new law” you must treat others as yourselves ” ….”you must love God whole souled and love neighbour as yourself …”

      Christians have no obligation to adhere to the Jewish Law.

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      Geoffrey+Williams

      Apologies gave you a red above #1 in error.
      And talking of reds here’s another for most on this site;
      If you ask me its just plain cussidness that motivates the Covid deniers to resist the vaccine.
      Mostly young fit and healthy people who ate mostly pretty immune and being selfish.
      If these people had a dose of ‘something’ that they didn’t like they’d be the first to get to the hospital for a jab !!
      So why resist the Covid vaccine ?
      GeoffW

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        FarmerDoug2

        “. ..immune and being selfish.”
        How so ?
        Doug

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        and why not?

        how can me getting jabbed help you or anyone else? open your eyes mate

        do you want me to put a condom on to help you stop your wife getting pregnant?

        “so why resist”
        hmmmm let me think a minute
        oh l know, its because covid is not what it was supposed to be and the jab is an experiment that can do more harm than the virus,
        do you remember at the start before the waters were muddied and we were told to expect hundreds of thousands of deaths and hospitalisations?

        calling people selfish or a covid denier is just plain insulting to all people who have had every real vaccine, gets there flu shot and looks after their own health trying not to catch the virus

        if the states spent as much money on health as they do on policing protests we would not have a problem

        heres another reason not to get the jab that is being ignored like the treatments available because if there is a treatment there is no EUA and protests are allowed
        https://vimeo.com/539181525
        check out the credentials for Geert Vanden Bossche and tell me l should be listening to Dan Andrews

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        MP

        Your entitled to your own choice, you are not entitled to my choice. You are the selfish one, you want everyone to protect you.
        Your beloved cure to your imagination is a trial.

        You think maybe all your deniers may be that way because they know of nobody who has caught your pandemic, can read the stats on the ABS, have figured out the MSM fear porn industry is exactly that. The governments banning medication that is virtually harmless is a tad suspect. The 2 year marketing campaign to push funding to the most corrupt industries, media and the pharmaceutical companies maybe being influenced by outside interests.

        A government that shoots its own citizens in the back, may not be that concerned about their health.

        Nobody is asking you to make decisions on their behalf, you are not capable of making of informed decisions for yourself.

        Maybe the deniers have learnt to turn the TV off, as the virus does not exist outside the screens. Maybe they are much smarter then you.

        Mind your own business or man up and you come and stick me. I suspect manning up up is a term you spent your entire life avoiding.

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          Annie

          That’s a bit harsh MP. I don’t think there should be any ad hominem type language in use by anyone here.

          [I m with you all the way Annie. Personal attacks reduce a scientific argument to an emotional one. – Jo]

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            MP

            Really, I’m apparently selfish.
            I live on a farm, I have not been effected by this scamdemic. ​I do not have children, yet every week I stand in the park, every rally I drive for many hours to attend and have done so from the start, I do this for the youth, other peoples kids/grand kids, so they have the same opportunities I had.
            I find that entire rhetoric offensive, I am sick of trying to hug people to their senses, sometimes ya just got to slap them.

            Some of us just want to be left alone, make our of decisions, as we have always done. People now insist I do as they want, not now, not ever.

            You have found my bridge and I will die defending it.

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              MP

              own not of, and I previewed it.

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              Annie

              MP, I am entirely in agreement with you and I too hate the way we who question what is being done to us are demonised. I just didn’t see how the last bit of your response I was answering was going to help matters. My hackles are up too as it just so happens. We are living in a total nightmare.

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              Graeme+P.

              Thank you for your efforts MP.

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            MP

            Well actually I have been effected, I lost my work as a self employed consultant, my father was murdered due to the lockdowns.
            My mother, now living by herself in NSW and slowly dying of cancer. I cannot see her because you got to have the vaxx to “pass freely between states”.

            So yeah I got a bone to chew with those who think they can comply the way out of this, for my good.

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              el+gordo

              In what field was the consultancy?

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                MP

                I worked in between construction and production in mineral processing, a bit in design but I do commissioning of processing plants, then train the locals how to operate the equipment, I move into plant met rolls and try and squeeze a couple more bucks out of the rock. Very broad range. Playing with mud.

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                el+gordo

                Its a broad field with lots of employment opportunities, but before the pandemic ends you could take the time to reinvent yourself.

                My small business in hospitality collapsed, but fortunately high property prices saved my neck. Sorry to hear of your other woes.

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              Annie

              Compliance won’t get very far atm.
              BTW, I haven’t seen my 99 year old mother for 2 years now; she is very frail and the way things are I am very unlikely to see her alive again. I am deeply angry about this. My siblings are all now quite old and two are pretty ill. We have yet to meet our great grandson who is now a year old. Our family life has been very badly affected and the situation is not in any way helped by all the compliant sheep. I am deeply suspicious of something being pushed to such a bullying, coercive extent and certainly think a ‘wait and see’ attitude is reasonable.

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                Tel

                2 There has been NO unusual excess mortality.

                You can clearly see the excess mortality on the European Mortality Monitor charts.

                https://www.euromomo.eu/

                There’s a lot of excess mortality around March 2020 and also the regular Winter season was worse around Christmas 2020 than the comparable years such as Christmas 2018 or 2017.

                How much worse? By my estimate perhaps around 2x worse, perhaps a little bit more. Covid is worse than a typical flu but nowhere near as bad as the historic bad flus like 1918 or 1957 or 1968.

                In Australia there was no excess mortality because we get around 3000 pneumonia and 1000 flu deaths in a normal year, and in comparison Covid has been significantly less than that.

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                yarpos

                Tel, NSW healths own website says that NSW alone has around 900 influenza deaths pa pre Covid. The national figure must be around 3 times that.

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            MP

            I take it your referring to me.
            Please point out your science in this statement, is it the science of cussedness, the science of deniers, or is the science of selfish.
            “And talking of reds here’s another for most on this site;
            If you ask me its just plain cussidness that motivates the Covid deniers to resist the vaccine.
            Mostly young fit and healthy people who ate mostly pretty immune and being selfish.
            If these people had a dose of ‘something’ that they didn’t like they’d be the first to get to the hospital for a jab !!
            So why resist the Covid vaccine ?
            GeoffW”

            “If these people had a dose of ‘something’ that they didn’t like they’d be the first to get to the hospital for a jab !!” This scientific statement does not appear to be based on any reasonable logic let alone science.

            “Mostly young fit and healthy people who ate mostly pretty immune and being selfish.” This is literally the most anti-science statement yet to be flushed.

            These self righteous p#icks get themselves vaxxed to save themselves while stating they did it for everyone else. Then demand everyone else do their will.
            If they wish to force a medical procedure, then I think it is fair that they be called out for the cowards they are.

            The science has never been in this fight, its fear, manipulation and threats. I will not shut up and I will not give up.

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        FatAl

        Cussedness? No, suspicious of government more likely. That caution is likely to be proven corrent.
        See https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/confirmation-of-vaccine-associated

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        Chris

        Geoff – lets see what the objections are;
        1. This is still experimental technology, trials do not finish until 2023. This vaccine is unlike anything we have taken previously.
        2. Never in history have doctors said ‘I cannot treat you, you must wait for a vaccine – go home isolate and if your lips turn blue call an ambulance’.
        3. No one has been tested for antibodies before receiving the vaccine.
        4. Natural immunity has been deliberately ignored.
        5. The definition of the words, pandemic, vaccination and cases have been changed- why?
        6. Bullying and coercion have taken place to force people to take the vaccine – why? Is it because the vaccine don’t work?
        7. Children who are at the lowest risk of all are being given the vaccine, why ? To protect adults. Ethically this is equivalent to Hamas firing rockets at Israel from hospitals and schools.
        8. No one knows what the long term consequences will be.
        9. How is putting my life at risk going to save yours ?

        I’m sure others can add more to this list.

        I call this following the science.

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          Tilba+Tilba

          1. The vaccine technology has been around a long time, and has been well tested
          2. There are very very few credible treatments available
          3. The vaccine is additional insurance even if you have had Covid-19 previously
          4. In a pandemic “natural immunity” comes at far too high a cost
          5. Word definitions change all the time – as circumstances change
          6. Vaccines work – that’s why they are being promoted, and in some areas mandated
          7. Your Hamas analogy is ridiculous – Delta affects children (500K in US in a week)
          8. In a pandemic it’s a balance of risks and benefits
          9. Vaccines are safe – and they are effective (Covid-deniers are the risk)

          That is following the science.

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            Let’s get serious. Drug technology works. Penicillin has saved millions of lives therefore, thus and verily, all drugs work. How could you doubt it? Tested for 40 50 70 years by the best doctors in the world. USed on millions of patients. All Drugs Work, or are you a drug denier?

            Your analogy is ridiculous.

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              Chris

              Who is talking about penicillin????? I was talking about mRNA vaccines.

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                Chris

                Jo I tried to leave your comment on “all drugs work” alone, but I think it reflects your emotional connection microbiology. Are you aware that Pfizer trialed a meningitis vaccine on children in Nigeria about 20 years ago? Those that survived were blind, deaf, paralysed and sometimes all three. The courts awarded huge payouts to the families. However Pfizer blackmailed the Nigerian government and there was plenty to blackmail them with . Basically it was if we have to pay up then we will expose what the Nigerian government has been up to.

                Consequently families were never paid.

                Yes all drugs work, but good intentions don’t always bring good results.

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        OriginalSteve

        No, its the fact that :

        (a) the vaccine is for a non-problem
        (a) we use our brains to reason
        (c) we have seen the documented damage the vaccines do ( VAERs et al )
        (d) it seems the vaccine is about forcing compliance to the Elites will, see (a)

        QED

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        Doc

        Geoffrey+. Some people actually have values and ethics in which they fully believe.’ Cussidness’ simply doesn’t come into the equation.
        There is an all encompassing bible text:’As you would have people treat you, treat them also in like manner!’ Your assessment of the opinions of others I’m afraid, doesn’t cut the mustard. With the attitude that you know all you make any blog, including this one, superfluous. You have all the answers because you believe in your own limited opinion. That is the meaning of ‘cussedness.

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      STJOHNOFGRAFTON

      Siliggy, you are cherry picking scripture and misapplying it to a different Biblical time.
      Cherry picking passages from the Old Testament Law, as in Levitical law commanded to Israel by Moses. was for a different dispensation or stewardship of God’s people. The Bible clearly states we’re not under the Mosaic Law today: Hebrews 9:10, NLT, says: “For that old system deals only with food and drink and various cleansing ceremonies–physical regulations that were in effect only until a better system could be established”. Siliggy, these laws have no application to the modern, better hygiene situations of today. As to mask wearing, many scientific studies show that masks are largely unfit for the purpose of stopping aerosolized respiratory viral particles. In which case it could be postulated that mask wearing mandates relate to the theatre of the absurd or perhaps mandatory virtue signalling. A bible scholar might even conclude that mandatory mask wearing is a futile re-application of archaic Levitical law to modern times.

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        ““For that old system deals only with food and drink and various cleansing ceremonies–physical regulations that were in effect only until a better system could be established”
        Relates as explained in the previous verses to clearing the conscience of the worshiper from past sins the people had committed in ignorance. . It does not change how a virus spreads or change the physical results of spreading it. It is misused to encourage no conscience behavior. Licentiousness.

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      OldOzzie

      Faith not always aligned with right policy

      Former PM Tony Abbott argues the church’s role in the world is not to preach politics but to ‘encourage all men and women of goodwill … (to) be steeped in the ideals of duty and service’.

      Tony Abbott

      Like Greg Craven, I take Catholicism seriously and hope to be “my best self” in ways that are pleasing to God. I’m less convinced than Craven that the church has unique expertise in public life (as opposed to faith and morals) and doubt that Catholic social teaching can give definitive and compelling answers to contentious political issues.

      There’s no doubt the church has an immense contribution to make to building a better world, but I suspect this lies much more in the “formation” of the individuals who participate in public life than in providing specific “Catholic ­answers” to the issues it throws up.

      Although Catholic social teaching is supposed to be based on reason rather than revelation, and therefore to be accessible to “all men of goodwill”, I doubt anyone reading an encyclical could mistake it for anything other than a church document. I agree with Craven that public policy should indeed respect the dignity of the human person, strive to realise the common good, be formulated and implemented as close to the people impacted as possible, and appreciate the diminution of any person impacts on everyone (as Catholic social teaching holds). But although these principles should certainly rule out some policies, I’m not sure how far they can take us in ruling in any particular policy.

      In my view, it’s impossible to be virtuous using someone else’s money, hence my discomfort with the “social justice” (or indeed “social gospel”) advocacy that seeks punitive rates of taxation in order (say) to alleviate poverty. All we can demand of government is that it be just, not that it be charitable; and much that might be worthy in an individual, if made mandatory by government, could become positively oppressive. For instance, why should a price set by a tribunal be more morally compelling than a price arrived at through the operation of markets – especially as the lived experience of price control has generally been more authoritarian governments and fewer prosperous economies? Hence my caution with the “distributism” that’s so frequently associated with Catholic social teaching.

      In Centesimus annus, Pope John Paul II calls for a free and virtuous society composed of three interlocking parts: a democratic political community, a free economy, and a robust moral culture. This teaching on the need for a free economy is still frequently lost in what George Weigel calls “the quixotic search for a “Catholic third way” somewhere ‘beyond’ capitalism and socialism”.

      Yet however refined and elaborated, I’m still sceptical of the ­extent to which Catholic social teaching can take us from worthy principles to practical policy. Some things may be off limits for a serious Catholic in public life: such as even more permissive abortion laws or the legalisation of assisted suicide (based, it should be said, on a universally accessible conception of human dignity rather than any church diktat). Even so, the presence of serious Catholics at all points of the political compass, at least those falling between complete libertarianism and green absolutism, should be grounds for caution against any attempt to distil compelling “Catholic” positions.

      Craven is on much stronger grounds, in my judgment, lamenting the “disconnected pragmatism” and “transactional politics” that he thinks have come to dominate our public life, where “some crisis or loss in an opinion poll” drives decision-making rather than a framework of principles. I suspect that what most changes in our public life is less the subject matter of the arguments than the human factor. If our public life is now as diminished as Craven suggests, that may have more to do with the quantum of character, conviction, and courage in our current crop of leaders than the ubiquity or otherwise of Catholic social teaching. If politics is downstream of culture, the best way to improve it may be to rekindle an appreciation of the best that’s been thought and said and to encourage men and women who see public life more as a calling than a career.

      This, in my view, is the true vocation of the church in the world: it’s less to preach politics than to encourage all men and women of goodwill, especially those labouring in the vineyard of public life, more of whom might, to our general advantage, be steeped in the ideals of duty and service – indeed, the humility that faith helps to engender. The mission of the church is not to make us perfect but to make us better. Catholic social teaching has an important role to shape our thinking and our characters but not to direct our policies.

      After all, can anyone point to a moral theologian who has also been an effective statesman?

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      Anton

      Are you not aware that Leviticus is part of the code of law given to ancient Israel and binding only on Jews? Christians believe also that it ceased to be binding on Jews after Jesus Christ.

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      PsDazza68

      Hi, Just jumped on here and I see the Bible being used incorrectly. As a minister that is always frustrating. None of us have exclusive interpretation rights over what was intended by the words of Scripture but we try to get it right as much as we can.

      Leviticus 13:45 does say, “Anyone with such a defiling disease must wear torn clothes, let their hair be unkempt, cover the lower part of their face and cry out. ‘Unclean, Unclean!” Sounds like a biblical reason to wear a mask. BUT what about the verse that follows….

      Leviticus 13:46 “As long as they have the disease they remain unclean. They must live alone; they must live outside the camp.”

      So there is no advocation for everyone to be masked. Only those deemed to have the disease should be wearing a mask AND they are required to isolate. IF you wanted to push the biblical position further, which I do not believe is necessary anymore due to medical breakthroughs, both vaccines and prophylaxis, the diseased need to place themselves outside the ‘camps’.

      A common problem in sharing the Bible is using only part of verses or passages that suit one’s narrative.

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        could you drop in more often. e.g in a thread posted today (see date tag) someone is claiming that various vaccines are the mark of the beast. I don’t think all ministers look after their flocks as well as you.

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    Seems that Tesla massive batteries don’t work like they’re promised.
    Australian company is taking them to court.
    https://www.windpowermonthly.com/article/1728469/tesla-battery-operator-sued-australia-alleged-service-failures
    Wind energy wasn’t a good viable plan to what you used to have with fossil fuel…

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      yarpos

      I think they work as intended techically but it is alleged that they were operated commercially to serve a different purpose.

      There is a potential conflict between the arbitrage side of operating the battery and retaining enough capacity to support FCAS needs

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        OldOzzie

        Mandatory primary frequency response

        Addressing a need for improved power system security
        Stable frequency is an important part of maintaining a secure power system. Frequency
        varies whenever electricity supply does not exactly match consumer demand. A large
        disturbance can cause an uncontrolled change in frequency, resulting in a significant
        disruption to the power system.

        In its 2018 Frequency control frameworks review, the Commission concluded that
        frequency performance under normal operating conditions had been declining in recent
        times as shown in the figure below. The final report included a frequency control work plan
        that set out actions and reforms to be undertaken by the market bodies to support effective
        frequency control in the national electricity system, including regulatory reforms to increase
        the provision of primary frequency response from generators.

        Historically in the NEM, only synchronous generators, such as coal, gas and hydro, have provided primary frequency response. However, non-synchronous generators such as wind, batteries and solar PV, can also provide primary frequency response. In early 2019, separate and related rule change requests were submitted from AEMO and Dr. Peter Sokolowski. Both of these proponents identified in their rule change requests that the reduction in primary frequency response by generators in the NEM has made it more difficult for AEMO to maintain the power system in a secure operating state and has reduced the system resilience to disturbances. The Commission has consolidated the two rule change requests and has published a single final determination and final rule.

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      Ronin

      So not only don’t unreliables work, but the fix to stabilise them doesn’t work either.

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        Tilba+Tilba

        So not only don’t unreliables work, but the fix to stabilise them doesn’t work either.

        Yes – I confess this thought had crossed my mind more than once.

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    Richard+Ilfeld

    What happens when the residue of trust is gone?

    Put another way, why would any law abiding citizen continue to be a law abiding citizen?
    If the government has no respect fir its citizens under the law; and applies them in an inconsistent,
    hypocritical, and hyper politicized way, will they not reciprocate?

    No, the suburban mum isn’t going to go out and rob a bank. But one can expect vast disobedience of civil rules;
    voluntary fee paying, reporting, and that sort of thing. Take out a $500 dollar permit to remodel my house. Absolute
    hogswallow; if shoplifting isn’t a crime surely remodeling isn’t. Unlicensed urban gardens. Of course. Is the guv really
    going to allow peeing on the street bu bust someone for growing carrots in the back yard. And then, depending on one’s station in life, a vast number of things that only work if there is mostly voluntary compliance stop working.

    We have now a low level bureaucracy that was modestly functional and service oriented; now managed by a political layer that is at best incoherant and at worst hostile.

    I have a very small fruit grove. Used to cooperate with my county agent to trap bugs and test for pathogens because I have a wider variety growing than most commercial operations, and am a bit standalone. Won’t let them come this year; the risk of being singled out for enforcement is higher than the benefits of cooperation; I’ll jut send in a “no longer growing” note. Is there a more trivial kind of civil disobediance? No, of course not. But I think this is an allegory.

    I think a lot of us will stop following laws and rules we see as arbitrary and capricious, as revenue and power grabs rather than public services.

    At the moment, the irredeemable deplorable are mostly being ignored. Eventually, it will be decided that we have to be disciplined.
    I hope we can fully segregate geographically; the only option I can see to violence.

    We are already a second rate nation, here in the US. This may not be a permanent condition. Although our children have learned absolute drivel in school. They are probably not incabable of being taught by experience; the social cohesion created by world wars or great depressions was not book learning. The federation model with tripartite government offers opportunities to regain freedom that a a single unified national regime does not; The significant migrations from California and New York to Tennessee, Texas and Florida represent moves unavailable in most of the world. The ability of States and Cities to go functionally bankrupt and restructure may not be taken advantage of, but is at least possible.

    So we’ll face the final question; if an authoriatrian minority in a nominal democracy orders the police and the military to enforce a social order based on something other than a universally applied law, will they obey?

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      John+R+Smith

      I think our problem is, the new social order will not be enforced by police or military.
      It will be enforced by the machine and medium on which I express this thought.

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        sooner or later the police or military will lose their status as immune and will have to comply like everyone else
        if any do not see this now they are fools
        there is a movement among the police trying to make a change but like us the police need to do something
        https://www.facebook.com/greataustralianparty/videos/295254738654397

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          OriginalSteve

          Once the govt ( through using the police as its agent ) breaks the social contract with the citizens, it no longer has legitimacy and becomes a “rogue elephant” and citizens may choose to ignore the govt.

          This is a breakdown of society that the Communists want, as it gives them an excuse to destroy trust and crush dissent.

          A note to any law enforcement reading this – you know at some stage you will be asked to do something you know is wrong. On that day, choose wisely.

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          John+R+Smith

          The passport.
          Your NWO permanent record.
          You know, the one they tried to scare you with in high school.
          No Sturmtruppler need come for you.
          Dan has the plan.
          (So do all the other Dans. It’s now a noun.)
          You will be ‘locked out’.
          Cntrl Alt Unperson … and you are ronin.
          Some of this stuff is hilarious.
          Fauci, recently said locking people out of jobs and schools will pressure folk to “willingly” get vaccinated.

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      Kalm Keith

      Interesting.

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      Robber

      It’s the declared State of Emergency that allows new laws to be enacted overnight on the say-so of a CHO who has a single-minded obsession with possible deaths from Covid without consideration of impacts on the economy, mental health, schooling, family separations etc.
      Under normal governance, any new laws must be drafted carefully, often circulated for public comment, and then debated and finally approved in parliament.
      In Victoria, the State of Emergency was passed with the support of three cross benchers after some “persuasion”.
      That law expires in December, and hopefully there will be sufficient public pressure to stop this dictatorial power.

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        Old Goat

        Robber,
        Those cynical (insert expletive of choice) are hoping that stockholm syndrome will make us comply with whatever they want . The evidence for this is all over social media and the MSM. Brett Sutton is still peddling the meme that voldermectin is a “horse de-wormer” .To you all – sign the petitions on the Vic Parliment website and make your voice heard . Resistance is not futile …..

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      Destroyer D69

      History has shown that this scenario in the wake of what is happening at the moment is not uncommon, unfortunately…. The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone. They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love. They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it. They know, that the moment they fight back, their lives as they have lived them, are over. The moment the Men who wanted to be left alone are forced to fight back, it is a form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be. Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these Men who wanted to be left alone, fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives. They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting at politics and terror. TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy… but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.” – Author Unknown

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        Graeme+P.

        This speaks to me, I have dark thoughts of late.

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          OriginalSteve

          There is a moment in “V for Vendetta” movie when the dictators thugs the notorious Finger Men kill a child thinking they are vandals.

          At that point the men who want to be left alone, wreak horrible vengeance upon the dictators secret police……and the govt falls.

          Will life imitate art?

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        Eddie

        The Beginnings

        It was not part of their blood,
        It came to them very late
        With long arrears to make good,
        When the English began to hate.

        They were not easily moved,
        They were icy-willing to wait
        Till every count should be proved,
        Ere the English began to hate.

        Their voices were even and low,
        Their eyes were level and straight.
        There was neither sign nor show,
        When the English began to hate.

        It was not preached to the crowd,
        It was not taught by the State.
        No man spoke it aloud,
        When the English began to hate.

        It was not suddenly bred,
        It will not swiftly abate,
        Through the chill years ahead,
        When Time shall count from the date
        That the English began to hate.

        Rudyard Kipling

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        Yonniestone.

        Extremely honest and true words, this reminds me of Kipling.

        THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON
        by Rudyard Kipling

        It was not part of their blood,
        It came to them very late,
        With long arrears to make good,
        When the Saxon began to hate.

        They were not easily moved,
        They were icy — willing to wait
        Till every count should be proved,
        Ere the Saxon began to hate.

        Their voices were even and low.
        Their eyes were level and straight.
        There was neither sign nor show
        When the Saxon began to hate.

        It was not preached to the crowd.
        It was not taught by the state.
        No man spoke it aloud
        When the Saxon began to hate.

        It was not suddently bred.
        It will not swiftly abate.
        Through the chilled years ahead,
        When Time shall count from the date
        That the Saxon began to hate.

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      Chris

      Unlicensed gardens !!!! You have to pay to grow fruit on your own land ????? That is extraordinary – what about rain water harvesting ie tanks ???

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      Lance

      Here is what many in the US observe in AU. Aghast at the iron fist upon the people. Labour Party ought to be ashamed.

      Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison Brags About Human Rights During U.N. Speech, While State Police Violently Beat Citizens in The Streets Protesting to Support Human Rights

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/09/26/australian-prime-minister-scott-morrison-brags-about-human-rights-during-u-n-speech-while-state-police-violently-beat-citizens-in-the-streets-protesting-to-support-human-rights/

      The embedded video (which Gurgle has mostly shut down, this clip via Rumble) is quite a shocker.

      One commenter said: “Scott Morrison has become the Nicolae Ceausescu of Australia. You all remember what happened to him when the people finally had enough.”

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    John F Hultquist

    In the USA, flu shots are ramping up — little germ factories and dispersal agents (aka school kids) are a big deal after a year of many other alternatives. The good ol’standard flu was nowhere to be seen last year, chased off the field by you know what! The match begins anew. Popcorn?

    Meanwhile, some folks are sure that Covid is happening because of the 5G cell-tower network. [Reported in the Wall Street Journal]
    Maybe we all need to wrap our heads with lead foil, but I don’t have any. Sources, anyone?

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      PeterS

      As expected there are a variety of way out theories being proposed as to the origin of the virus, including one that is literally way out – it came down from outer space on a meteor! Of course it’s possible but I consider it for the time being as highly unlikely unless real evidence is provided to substantiate such a wild theory.

      The Wuhan lab leak appears to be far more likely than any other idea. The question that still remains unanswered of course is whether it was accidental or deliberate. We will never know unless someone provides evidence to substantiate more clearly which one is correct. Given the secrecy of the CCP, I don’t see it ever happening. It can only happen if and when we have a war with China and provided they lose, then we have Nuremberg trials to uncover the truth. If they win well it will very likely forever remain a secret.

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        Ian

        “The Wuhan lab leak appears to be far more likely than any other idea.”

        Recently it has been suggested that a lab leak was not responsible.

        “The genetic makeup or “genome” of SARS-CoV-2 has been sequenced and publicly shared thousands of times by scientists all over the world. If the virus had been genetically engineered in a lab there would be signs of manipulation in the genome data. This would include evidence of an existing viral sequence as the backbone for the new virus, and obvious, targeted inserted (or deleted) genetic elements.

        But no such evidence exists. It is very unlikely that any techniques used to genetically engineer the virus would not leave a genetic signature, like specific identifiable pieces of DNA code.

        The genome of SARS-CoV-2 is similar to that of other bat coronaviruses, as well as those of pangolins, all of which have a similar overall genomic architecture. Differences between the genomes of these coronaviruses show natural patterns typical of coronavirus evolution. This suggests that SARS-CoV-2 evolved This suggests that SARS-CoV-2 evolved from a previous wild coronavirus.

        One of the key features that makes SARS-CoV-2 different from the other coronaviruses is a particular “spike” protein that binds well with another protein on the outside of human cells called ACE2. This enables the virus to hook into and infect a variety of human cells. However, other related coronaviruses do have similar features, providing evidence that they have evolved naturally rather than being artificially added in a lab.

        https://theconversation.com/heres-how-scientists-know-the-coronavirus-came-from-bats-and-wasnt-made-in-a-lab-141850
        https://virological.org/t/evidence-against-the-veracity-of-sars-cov-2-genomes-intermediate-between-lineages-a-and-b/754
        https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

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          Tilba+Tilba

          “The Wuhan lab leak appears to be far more likely than any other idea.” Recently it has been suggested that a lab leak was not responsible.

          Crossover from another species (bats, etc) is FAR more likely to be the origin. ALl the bioweapon lab-leak stuff is speculative voodoo.

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          Occam’s razor
          Occam’s rarazor, or the principle of parsimony or law of parsimony is the problem-solving principle that “entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity”, sometimes inaccurately paraphrased as “the simplest explanation is usually the best one.”

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      TedM

      ” The good ol’standard flu was nowhere to be seen last year, chased off the field by you know what!”
      Or being diagnosed as covid19.

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        OldOzzie

        Moderna CEO Offers Prediction for When Pandemic Could Be Over

        “Those who do not get vaccinated will immunize themselves naturally, because the Delta variant is so contagious,” he continued. “In this way we will end up in a situation similar to that of the flu. You can either get vaccinated and have a good winter. Or you don’t do it and risk getting sick and possibly even ending up in hospital.”

        Asked if that meant a return to normal in the second half of next year, he said: “As of today, in a year, I assume.”

        Bancel said he expected governments to approve booster shots for people already vaccinated because patients at risk who were vaccinated last autumn “undoubtedly” needed a refresher.

        Its booster shot had half the dose of the original dose, which meant more of them would be available.

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    CHRIS

    With all the various conspiracy theories revolving around COVID 19, is it any wonder that people are confused? Personally, I put this back to the education systems in most countries, WRT Science. In Australia, ask most high school students a basic science question (EG: What are the four states of matter), and they wouldn’t have a clue. Politicians and Social Media have destroyed people’s minds to THINK RATIONALLY. George Orwell must be spinning in his grave, laughing his head off.

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      William Astley

      I totally agree. The general population is overwhelmed with fake stories, propaganda. Too many issues and some are too complicate for the general population to understand. The problem is not however ‘conspiracy’ ‘theories’. There is sufficient evidence/scientific knowledge to understand what happened and why. We need to use our knowledge of reality and how the general population will react, to our advantage.

      Covid is a WMD. The Wuhan World military games was forced to happen by the CCP over objections of all the Western countries to provide a cover for the official CCP story (which the majority of Chinese, now believe) that covid ‘leaked’ out of a US military lab and then was carried to China by US soldiers who attended the world Wuhan military ‘games’. The Wuhan military game participants officially complained that the games were held in rooms that were too small for the number of participants and that there was no ventilation in the rooms. The participants knew that something was wrong and it was planned. The Wuhan military game participants also noted that there were no Chinese people on the streets outside the buildings where military ‘games’ where held.

      This is a cold war and we are busing fighting among ourselves. Covid is a very effective attack on our citizens and our countries because China/Democratic party of US has able to hide covid origins.

      George Orwell wrote his book to explain what will happen (and how it ‘feels’ to live in a country where the citizens, have no protection from the one party government which is corrupt/insane/controlled by evil and forced to fight the forever war … the forever war is the war against climate change/CAGW) if we do not stop a take over of our media, our government, and the US government/military. We are losing the propaganda war.

      We will lose if we do not take advantage/leverage from, of our knowledge about the reality of covid/our medical system. There is a logical/scientific reason why people do or do not get very sick from covid.

      Over the last 15 years, it has been ‘discovered’ that lifetime long, severe Vit D deficiency of the general population is the physical/biochemical reason, why people do or do not get, the common cancers and chronic ‘diseases’ like type 2 diabetes, Metabolic syndrome (this is complex organ failure caused when organs do not produce the biochemicals required by the organ in question and other organs), multiple sclerosis, severe/death from covid, and so on. The lifetime Vit D deficiency explains why some people get dementia and others do not. This explains why the majority of people in their 80s have lost 80% of their brains, have difficulty walking and moving, have lost their hearing, and eye sight, and end up in long term facilities. Our old people look scared, uncertain, and sad. Losing 80% of the brain is part of the reason, as is organ failure.

      In the US and in Africa, ‘Black’ Americans do not trust vaccines. In the state of New York… 85% of the dark skin Americans have not had their first covid vaccine dosage (see link below).

      “Biden’s approval rating among black Americans has fallen five points, according to a Morning Consult poll, since he announced his intent to mandate the coronavirus vaccine for businesses over 100 employees.”

      Comment: The dark skin Americans do not trust the US health care system because dark skin people get twice as many chronic diseases than white skin people. Our system is so stinking corrupt the general population’s severe chronic Vit D deficiency was not been communicated/is hidden.

      These chronic ‘diseases’ are caused by organ failure and organ miss-functioning because the cells in the organ require Vit D to produce lifesaving/disease stopping, natural (evolutionary found) biochemicals. Chronic diseases are ‘diseases’ which our health care system treats symptoms for the life of the patient. The long term care facilities are full of people who have had ‘untreated’ lifelong severe Vit D deficiency. This is true in every country.

      In the US, 80% of the very dark skin (‘black’) people are severely Vit D deficient. This explains why twice as many dark skin people in the US, Canada, and UK are dying of covid than white skin people and is the reason why twice as many ‘blacks’ get type 2 diabetes.

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/24/black-lives-matter-leader-calls-vaccine-mandates-racist-promises-uprising-against-id-system/

      “Hawk Newsome, the co-founder and chairman of Black Lives Matter of Greater New York (BLMGNY), argues the mandates are fundamentally racist, given the low rate of vaccination in the black community.
      Some 85.6 percent of black people in the state of New York remain without one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, according to state data.

      It is surreal that Hawk Newsome, co-founder and chairmanc of of BLM for greater New York is ignorant of black American Vit D deficiency tragedy. 80% of the US blacks and 60% of the US Hispanics are severely Vit D deficient.

      https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0271531710002599?via%3Dihub

      Prevalence and correlates of vitamin D deficiency in US adults

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        William Astley

        As per my above comment. Major General Chen Wei took over the Wuhan lab in late 2019. Preparing for the release of covid.

        The covid leak was planned just before the Wuhan World military ‘games’ which China insisted three years before, must be held in Wuhan, against the protests of the Western countries.

        Hours after the planned leak in September, ,” the WIV’s viral sequence database disappeared from the internet. “

        https://www.foxnews.com/world/wuhan-lab-report-raises-further-questions-about-possible-covid-19-lab-leak

        “Republicans on the Foreign Affairs Committee have built their argument on a timeline that claims the virus escaped the Wuhan Institute of Virology “sometime prior to September 12, 2019.”

        “Around that time, the Republican researchers said there’s evidence the virus was spreading throughout central Wuhan, just ahead of the World Military Games which, “became an international vector, spreading the virus to multiple continents around the world.”
        “On that day, the Wuhan University, less than a mile from the WIV’s headquarters, issued a notice for laboratory inspections. Hours later, the WIV’s viral sequence database disappeared from the internet. “

        “Later that evening, the institute published an announcement for bids for “security services” at the lab “to include gatekeepers, guards, video surveillance, security patrols, and people to handle the ‘registration and reception of foreign personnel,’” according to the report.”

        “Citing testimony from “a former senior U.S. official,” the report claims Major General Chen Wei, an expert in biology and chemical weapon defenses, took control of the Wuhan Institute’s biosafety level-4 lab in late 2019. “

        “That timing demonstrates the Chinese Communist Party “was concerned about the activity happening there as news of the virus was spreading,” according to the report. “If she took control in 2019, it would mean the CCP knew about the virus earlier, and that the outbreak began earlier.”

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          William Astley

          Covid binds better/stronger to the human ACE-2 connector that to any animal that has an ACE-2 connector. That fact is one of dozens of facts (another is covid has three novel features which damage our organs and nervous system which have never been seen before in natural viruses) that prove covid is not natural. Covid has designed and then released.

          This scientific fact and dozens of other facts, supports the assertion that covid has designed by humans to be a WMD.

          Covid has designed for tactical reasons. Covid needed to be super contagious and to kill/injury/cause long term health problems, to a sufficient number of people to cause economic and internal chaos in our countries. And China of course would have the cures/treatments for covid before the covid release. This in unrestricted warfare.

          “Scientists explain that if the virus had come from one of these animals, they would expect to see SARS-CoV-2 form tighter bonds with their cells — not humans. The revelation is now raising even more questions and doubts about the theory COVID-19 originated in animals before spreading to humans.”

          JUNE 26, 2021
          https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92388-5
          https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/784947

          COVID origin study Very surprising if animal was initial source scientist concludes
          Scientists in Australia say they examined a computer model of SARS-CoV-2, the virus causing COVID-19, and compared how it infects humans and a collection of 12 domestic and exotic animals. These species include cats, dogs, cows, pigs, and some of the suspected origins of the pandemic — bats and pangolins.

          Their study finds SARS-CoV-2 is actually more adapted to binding with and infecting human cells rather than bat or pangolin cells. More specifically, scientists already know that SARS-CoV-2 uses its “spike” protein to attach itself to the ACE2 receptor gene on the surface of cells; hijacking them to produce more of the virus. The new study shows the virus forms its tightest bonds with human cells, not animal cells.

          “Humans showed the strongest spike binding, consistent with the high susceptibility to the virus, but very surprising if an animal was the initial source of the infection in humans,” says La Trobe University Professor David Winkler in a media release.

          The covid spike has the biochemical machinery to connect to our ACE-2 cell to force our cells to make a copy of the virus. The covid spike also has the biochemical machinery to penetrate the blood brain barrier. The covid spike also has biochemical machinery to anethesize our cells to stop the pain signal that is generated when a virus attacks our cells.

          To be super contagious, the covid spike contains a protein VEGR-A that stops/inhibits the pain signalling from our cells when they are attacked by a virus.

          https://www.newsmax.com/health/headline/covid-19-pain-killer-pandemic/2020/10/06/id/990680/

          Can COVID-19 kill pain? That is the possibility raised by University of Arizona researchers who found SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, might function as a pain killer.
          If that theory proves to be true, it might be one of the reasons so many infected people walk around unaware they have the disease.

          “It turns out, by attaching to human cells, SARS-CoV-2 stops a pain-producing protein called VEGF-A from also binding to the cells and “completely reversed pain signaling” in rodents tested, Khanna said, according to Ladders.

          As the opioid and coronavirus epidemics collide, Khanna said at least one good thing about COVID-19 might be forthcoming. Researchers are exploring ways to block VEG-F by using small molecule inhibitors instead of the coronavirus and hopefully will be able to develop new non-opioid methods to reduce pain using this approach.

          R

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        OldOzzie

        Prevalence and correlates of vitamin D deficiency in US adults

        Mounting evidence suggests that vitamin D deficiency could be linked to several chronic diseases, including cardiovascular disease and cancer. The purpose of this study was to examine the prevalence of vitamin D deficiency and its correlates to test the hypothesis that vitamin D deficiency was common in the US population, especially in certain minority groups. The National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey 2005 to 2006 data were analyzed for vitamin D levels in adult participants (N = 4495). Vitamin D deficiency was defined as a serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations ≤20 ng/mL (50 nmol/L). The overall prevalence rate of vitamin D deficiency was 41.6%, with the highest rate seen in blacks (82.1%), followed by Hispanics (69.2%). Vitamin D deficiency was significantly more common among those who had no college education, were obese, with a poor health status, hypertension, low high-density lipoprotein cholesterol level, or not consuming milk daily (all P < .001). Multivariate analyses showed that being from a non-white race, not college educated, obese, having low high-density lipoprotein cholesterol, poor health, and no daily milk consumption were all significantly, independently associated with vitamin D deficiency (all P < .05). In summary, vitamin D deficiency was common in the US population, especially among blacks and Hispanics. Given that vitamin D deficiency is linked to some of the important risk factors of leading causes of death in the United States, it is important that health professionals are aware of this connection and offer dietary and other intervention strategies to correct vitamin D deficiency, especially in minority groups.

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      el+gordo

      Its fair to say the Communications Revolution has given humanity more opportunity to glean the truth. There are as many neurons in an adult human brain as there are stars in the Milky Way Galaxy, this might just be a coincidence.

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    Jim+Barker

    Take a look at this Jo, known since April 2020 and never mentioned

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243683
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7833340/

    Antihistamines and antibiotics equal recovery!

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      OldOzzie

      Look at that top line.

      Cetrizine is otherwise known as Zyrtec. Loratadine is otherwise known as Claritin. Dexchlorpheniramine is not often-used in the US anymore, but it used to be. The other two core drugs were Azithromycin and Levofloxacin, both common antibiotics with the first being the infamous “Zpak” from the HCQ+Zinc+Zpak combination that a fraudulent study was used to discredit.

      Both of the first two antihistamines are available over the counter in most nations including the United States. The dosing they used is twice that on the label. The two antibiotics are both available anywhere for little money.

      Before they started treating people three residents died. The entire group of them had the common maladies of old age — hypertension, diabetes, COPD, cardiovascular disease. Most were using a huge range of existing drugs for their conditions (5 or more.)

      As soon as they started treating people the following happened:

      I didn’t even realize this study existed; had I known of it guess what I would have added to my protocol when I got Covid-19 the first week of August of this year, since it happens to be in my medicine cabinet already for seasonal allergies? Uh huh. Two 60ct bottles of generic Claritin equivalent costs about $12 at WalMart.

      Folks, think about this long and hard: In the worst-case scenario for those who this virus should have killed — it killed nobody. It should be killing statistically nobody today — right here, right now. How to prevent it from doing so was discovered in March and April of 2020 and intentionally ignored worldwide.

      It is still being ignored today.

      With these numbers there is no reason to fear a Covid-19 infection. There is no reason to take a vaccine. There was never a reason to develop a vaccine, especially the ones we have today; infection that does not produce severe disease is sterilizing and thus wildly superior to vaccinated immunity which is now proved to be failing worldwide. There is no reason to wear a mask.

      Every single one of these residents seroconverted and became immune with mild or moderate symptoms consistent with seasonal colds and flus and not one of them was put into the hospital or killed. The treatment is so ******ned cheap and available there’s no excuse to not use it instantly on suspicion of infection and prophylactically among everyone else in your household at first sign of trouble.

      You think the entire load of BS around HCQ and Ivermectin is bad? This is a thousand times worse.

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        Hanrahan

        Dexchlorpheniramine AKA polaramine is one of the older antihistamines that makes you drowsy. Used to be available in 8 mg now only 2 mg so you will need to take a few and then not drive.

        The Polaramine brand name has been discontinued in the U.S.

        Use caution when driving, operating machinery, or performing other hazardous activities. Polaramine may cause dizziness or drowsiness. If you experience dizziness or drowsiness, avoid these activities.

        Use alcohol cautiously. Alcohol may increase drowsiness and dizziness while you are taking this medicine.

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          OldOzzie

          Funny, I have never ever been drowsy from any medication that was supposed to make me drowsy

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            robert rosicka

            Try 2-3 Clonozepam and see how you go .

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              OldOzzie

              Wow think I will give Clonozepam a miss

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                Serp

                Recreational use only from what the highly trusted Wikipedia entry advises; overdose has only half the ED appearances the grog procures (per capita unclear); top end performance is “alternating from a comatose state to a hyper-alert state” –definitely fun.

                The girl who was recently released from Victoria’s Lubyanka is reported as having written two books and the bail conditions no longer prohibit her having a platform from which to disseminate her views which surely arose through a magistrate having adopted illiberally overreached police prosecutor conditions which is further evidence of the abandonment of the rule of law by VicPol.

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              Old Goat

              Robert ,
              Jordan Peterson can advise you on the (side) effects of that medication . A nightmare for him…

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                robert rosicka

                OG I have to get a report for VicRoads from my doc about me using this medicine and driving and yes the side effects can include things like confusion etc.
                One medication I was on Toprimate from memory had a peculiar warning not to take anti histamines while using this medicine , apparently if you take both there is a danger your body will be incapable of sweating .

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      Hanrahan

      What prompted the treating doctors to try this? I’m sure one didn’t just look in the medicine cabinet and say “Um! I think I’ll try this on my seriously ill patients”.

      There must be some supporting data somewhere.

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        robert rosicka

        I’ve heard a doctor say he tried pretty much everything so he could be more informed on things like side effects etc.

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        Fran

        The support for this is to treat symptoms. I suspect that the elderly were on so many drugs that precluded the use of things in cold medicines like pseudephedrine, they went for the antihistamine component of such drugs. The message is, treat the symptoms as best you can. Don’t just go home and wait in fear.

        Take the doctor’s standard message: if you are coughing, you need to cough to rid your lungs of gunk. However, there comes a point where coughing is just like rubbing an inflamed area of skin, which reliably makes it worse. The sensible thing is to suppress the cough with a low dose of codeine and allow the lungs to heal. Or one can use an anti-asthamatic to reduce the tickle – very effective for persisting cough after an upper respiratory infection. Here treating the symptoms is actually therapeutic.

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      Yonniestone.

      Try getting your head around this one too https://andreaskalcker.com/en/coronavirus/clinical-study-with-chlorine-dioxide.html

      He has ClO2 protocols and extensive data to back it up, the saturation used is 3000 ppm and besides killing the Covid-19 virus its now believed to reverse the mRNA spike protein negative effects.

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      Fran

      This speaks to the instructions to go home and wait for your lips to turn blue rather than treating the symptoms. A lot of over the counter cold/flu mixtures contain antihistamines. And they do help with symptoms. The question of whether they improve recovery has only been answered by drug company studies. Since all of the agents in OTC cold/flu medications are long off patent, testing is not required.

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    tom

    This must be more of a climate debate site.
    I know my country is a mess. But reading & watching
    what your govt. is doing shocks me to my core.

    And no lead articles about it. Allowed in the
    comment sections only? Give up all your freedoms
    for “zero wuhan”?

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      C.+Paul+Barreira

      The last three posts have “climate debate” as their subject.

      Government actions have for some time shocked people. Brief moments excepted, that was part and parcel of the twentieth century. Now liberal democracies have themselves succumbed to the totalitarian temptation, that is, the prohibition of questioning.

      For myself, I have begun to wonder if governments of developed countries (the term is from the TGA) which have denied a possible prophylactic and medicine to their own peoples, now intend very deliberately to realise Thomas Malthus’ argument of impoverisation and starvation on a global scale by their own fiat in the name of “the planet”.

      By the way, tom, have you noticed the complete lack of irony in reports of CO2 shortages for industry in the UK and elsewhere? Hilarious. But the results may prove very much otherwise in coming months.

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    Tonyb

    Looks like Queensland and WA are going to refuse to open up to other states even at 80 percent vaccination

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10021405/Annastacia-Palazczuk-ruins-holiday-plans-millions-Queensland-NSW-border-stay-closed.html

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    TdeF

    Yesterday I referred to this video by Jørgen Peder Steffensen and it occurred to me that his graph (after 1.30) shows that we are just pulling out of the coldest period in 10,000 years and if the feared warming occurs, we will still be cooler than Roman times. This is his entire point. And his data compares well with all other data. And his graph flatly contradicts the latest IPCC’s graph for COP26, the graph on which COP26 is based.

    Either Steffensen’s graph is a lie or the IPCC graph is a lie.

    On Steffensen’s graph, the feared rapid, tipping point, armageddon, end of days warming is not only ridiculously small and welcome, the Romans had it far better two thousand years ago without internal combustion engines. And they thought it was great. Few Romans drowned in their beds.

    No wonder the IPCC just republished the utterly discredited hockey stick. And how is all the ice going to melt when Steffensen can demonstrate with thermometers that the ice has been there, untouched through thousands of years of much warmer weather? How is this great sea rise going to happen? Why is ancient Rome under 15 metres of dirt and not under water?

    Perhaps politicians should watch this video and ask why the UN/IPCC has openly lied for 33 years? And now the UN/WHO as well.

    Whatever dream Franklin D. Roosevelt had for the United Nations, it has become massively funded world government in waiting, 40,000 overpaid unelected bureaucrats dreaming of domination, like the EU. And Climate Change is still based on Mann’s Hockey Schtick. A graph the whole world, every student of paleontology knows is an utterly deceitful total lie.

    So we have nothing to fear. It was much warmer, very recently. The planet is still closest to the coldest period in the Earth’s history since the last ice age.

    More CO2 please. Unbelievably shelves are empty of fresh food in the UK because even commercial CO2 production has stopped. We are being softened up with a killer virus and a very big lie, brought to you by the people pushing COP26.

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      TdeF

      And if the Romans did not suffer Climate Extinction, why should we? This is a tale told to children. By the UN.

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        Graeme No.3

        Curiously sea levels were falling in Roman times – the original port of Rome Ostia Antiqua is now well inland and being excavated.
        See also Ephesus, in the bible as a port and now 6 km from the sea. Or recent discoveries of phonecian trading/ports/wharves in SW England.

        The south east of England is supposedly sinking, but Pevensey castle was built on a headland by the Romans and surrounded by water on 3 sides. The harbour was used by William the Conqueror for his fleet. There was an aerial film on youtube of the castle and the amount of land that has appeared (incl. the road around castle) but it seems to be no longer available.

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          TdeF

          The lack of inflow to the Mediterranean is likely the problem. To get more rain, you need more heat and we are told the heating is the problem? Europe was uninhabitable 10,000 years ago in the last ice age when agriculture was discovered in the Fertile Crescent.

          Historically the straits from Gibraltar to Africa have even closed completely and the entire sea has evaporated, lacking water replacement from the Atlantic and leaving an enormous salt pan with 60C temperatures.

          And North Africa used to have monsoons from the heat, creating a lush jungle landscape, all gone now as the people fled to the Nile valley. Plus Libya was the breadbasket of Carthage and then Rome. Unimaginable now. The heat was wonderful as it crated the rain and the rain and CO2 gave life to what is now lifeless drifting sands.

          The idea that everything stays the same and any changes are the fault of man and the invention of petrol is absolutely amazing. No geologist or paleontologist would agree with this crazy idea. Everything keeps changing. And the speed of change is not great on a human time scale.

          You would think after 33 years of total failure of their silly predictions, the Chicken Little warmists would give up but they are backed by the massive resources of the socialist/communist United Nations. And the idea that a 50% increase in Carbon Dioxide is a global disaster has no basis in any science.

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            TdeF

            It is interesting that heating, Global Warming, was blamed for the recent devastating late summer rains in Europe. Despite the early warning systems which worked, we had a repeat across Europe of the flooding of 20 years ago. The point is that not only was it a regular, predictable event, but that warming is recognized as producing more rain.

            Now you only need three ingredients to make food, hydrated carbon dioxide by photosynthesis. Sun, water and CO2. Given that Sun is certain for the next few billion years. CO2 allegedly means more warming and thus more water, which means more food. What on earth is the problem?

            But then the same Profiteers of Doom demand you do not build dams, store the water and so prevent floods. It’s a conspiracy against humanity. The Greens are the enemies of humanity and as Dr. Patrick Moore claims “The enemies of the Earth”

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          TdeF

          And I wonder about Ephesus. It seems to be a different problem to Ostia.

          I have been to Ephesus but it appears to service a man made inland Harbour with a long canal to the ocean, not a deep water port at all but inland and man made. These vessels were low draft. And like all such long shallow canals, it silted up. And most of the city was destroyed by earthquakes which luckily preserved a lot of the old town from stone robbing, as happened to so many cities. There is still a marble walkway from the old city to the harbour, still a long way inland.

          It reminds me of medieval Bruges which was another long canal which silted up, trapping a harbour city with canals in a time warp for us to enjoy. Finding deep water ports along that Agean and Western Mediterranean coastline is tricky and often the Greeks had to build breakwaters far into the ocean as at Alexandria and Rhodes and as later at Caesarea under Herod. The same shallow canal system was adopted for trading cities Venice and Amsterdam. Except the bottom 1 metre of the Amsterdam canals are alleged to be filled with bicycles.

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            Peter C

            Consider the similar situation at Thermopylae. The battle was fought on a narrow pass between a cliff and the sea. The coast is now several kilometres away.
            Ostia, Ephesus, Thermopylae; all show the same. The sea level has dropped by 100 ft or so over the past 3000 years.

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              Graeme No.3

              About 6 km. when in WW2 the classicaly trained British politicians wanted the army to stop the German panzers there. The army had other ideas about the whole Greek expedition, as they set up 2 units to plan, one for getting troops into the Greek mess and the other planning the retreat out.

              And TdeF, Chester was a Roman port for the west coast of the Midlands, but it was on a river which silted up owing to reduced water flow. Indeed most known Roman ports in England are no longer in use. On the otherhand I can, on personal observation, say that the Water Gate in the Tower of London (known as Traitor’s Gate in the popular tales) was built in 1285 and at low tide has little water in it but becomes usable at high tide (the tidal range at that point is 4 metres – Julius Caesar commented on it).
              It’s even higher in Brittany where 12-16 metres difference is observed. Even in the Channel islands boats can be grounded at low tide (inconvenient for all those millionaires).
              But Ostia Antiqua had to be excavated. Obviously from soil build-up.

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                TdeF

                I have walked the wall around Chester but had no idea it was a port. The West Coast of England can move over meter per year. Nothing to do with alleged global warming sea rises.

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    PeterS

    Do Vaccinated Pregnant Women in Their First or Second Trimester have an 81.8% Chance of Miscarriage?

    It appears the answer is actually an emphatic yes!

    They have manipulated the numbers like everything else. This means that all 700 women who received the vaccine in the third trimester must be excluded from the calculation because they were already past being able to have a technical miscarriage. Therefore, looking closely at the study suggests that 104 out of 127 women experienced a miscarriage since they were under the 20-week definition. This obviously means the miscarriage rate of women who received the vaccine in the first or second trimester is actually 81.8% or 8 out of 10 women. This is far beyond the normal 12.6% range.

    This leads us to ask once again: What is the truth here? I can attest from personal knowledge that even taking aspirin during the first trimester can cause birth defects!

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      Hanrahan

      That’s what I’ve heard, miscarriage in the first trimester rises from 10% to 80%.

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      Fran

      The problem with the study was that the study only looked at 3 months of data. Of those that were in the first trimester, the pregnancy loss within that time window was within “normal” limits. However, the paper was very badly written. In fact there is still no valid data on completed pregnancies for women vaccinated during the first trimester. A Youtube Doc goes over this.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFccIHppTaA

      Personally I would be very reluctant to gt vaccinated during pregnancy, but the BC CHO has stated that 40 pregnant women were admitted for covid. This suggests that pregnancy is a serious risk factor. On the other hand, she has been known to lie in the past about the death of an infant – the baby was already very sick and in hospital, and seems they managed a +PCR on it.

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    David+Wojick

    My latest on the proposed US “energy transition” law:
    https://www.cfact.org/2021/09/24/green-gold-rush-part-2-some-big-numbers/

    The beginning: “Part 1 introduced the proposed Clean Energy Performance Program or CEPP. The central idea is for the Federal Government (that is, taxpayers) to pay electric power suppliers billions of dollars as a reward for adding ever increasing amounts of mostly renewable juice to what they sell. The rewards kick in whenever a supplier sells 4% more green juice than they did the year before. If they do not make the 4% threshold they are penalized accordingly.

    The problem is that this creates a powerful drive for suppliers to add as much green power as they can, as fast as they can. The potential for destabilizing the grid, or the industry, is great.

    Part 1 is here: https://www.cfact.org/2021/09/19/green-gold-rush-looms-for-electric-power/.

    I have now done a bit of research and come up with some interesting numbers, including a very big missing number. These are summarized below.”

    An especially interesting issue:
    “Second, will Co-ops and Municipal systems get hammered? There are roughly 2,000 rural electric co-op suppliers and about 1,000 municipal suppliers. Many are small and most buy a lot of their juice from the big local investor owned utility or IOU as they are called. That IOU is also a supplier under CEPP, with its own retail customers.

    Why should the IOU sell green juice wholesale to the co-ops and municipals when it can get the luscious $150/MWh reward by selling that juice to its own customers? There is an enormous conflict of interest here. The IOUs could force the co-ops and municipals into deep noncompliance with CEPP.

    There are a lot of other nasty wrinkles to this seemingly simple program.”

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      PeterS

      Nice work. The point of course is the Green gold rush is going to continue until something breaks and the whole thing comes crashing down like all scams eventually do, and it’s only a matter of time this one does. I look forward to the main perpetrators of the scam to be put in prison for life given that many people have already been sentenced that way for perpetrating far smaller scams.

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      Neville

      Thanks for that work David.
      I’d still like to ask whether you agree with Willis and Dr Christy about our so called Climate Emergency?
      They’ve looked at it point by point and can’t find the emergency or silly Biden’s EXISTENTIAL threat.Any comments ?

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    Richard+Ilfeld

    After this morning’s debacle (blame the horses)by a chief executive who resembles part of one, I have been unable to stop
    humming the old Willie Nelson song all day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeD0S7Dkd0Q

    [hope this works]

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    Travis T. Jones

    The stupid. It hurts …

    ScoMo commits Australia to zero emissions by 2050

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-20/scott-morrison-australia-inner-city-net-zero-emissions-biden/100080402

    John Kerry admits zero emissions in US wouldn’t make any difference in [global warming]

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/27/kerry-zero-emissions-wont-make-difference-in-climate-change/

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      PeterS

      His true colours are becoming clearer and clearer. He is on the side of evil whether he knows it or not.

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        FarmerDoug2

        ScoMo might, or might not, be any good but he is a politician and still there. Tony and Donald where good but not politician’s so are not there, and no use.

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      Graeme No.3

      That ABC bit was in April and it was their interpretation. Progress seems slower than the ABC would like.

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      TimiBoy

      It needs to be put to bed before the election. That’s the strategy, anyway

      What a gutless POS.

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    PeterS

    Anyone understand the US Declaration of Independence well enough to comment? After reading the transcript linked below, it appears to me the people in the US now have the absolute right to declare war on the US government for a second time, the first time of course was when the their government was British but back then they actually didn’t have such a right as the Declaration was not yet produced. Let’s hope cool heads prevail but that can only be possible if Biden is replaced with someone who doesn’t have such a hatred of the freedoms the US citizens had to fight for in the first place.
    https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

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      robert rosicka

      Isn’t it the right to bear arms “against enemies foreign and domestic” that is their founding right to own firearms in case they need another revolution, although it’s highly unlikely another revolution will take place .

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        PeterS

        Their US Constitutional right to bear arms is just a formalisation of what they already could do from the start. When they colonised America they armed themselves for a variety of reasons. Then as each state was formed they copied each other’s Constitution to have the right to bear arms. Eventually it was formalised by the 2nd amendment to be consistent. That is why it would be extremely hard to get rid of it. It’s in their culture. Perhaps in time they can but their culture will need to change a lot more, assuming they can survive as a nation, which I doubt.

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      David Maddison

      The Declaration of Independence is a noble document but not law. It does however state the general principle that “the people” have a fundamental natural right to alter or abolish a government destructive of the stated rights.

      Looking at the writings of the founding fathers of the US they saw “the people” and not “the Government” as the ultimate power in the United States and gave the people military power via the Second Amendment to alter or abolish a destructive government that violates the Constitution and other laws.

      If Donald Trump doesn’t get re-elected in 2024 and there is another fraudulent election or a Democrat government is reinstalled and continues to violate laws and the Constitution then many Americans will seek to alter or abolish the illegal government using their Second Amendment rights, perhaps lead by General Trump.

      Note that it’s estimated that only about 3% of the population participated in the First American Revolution.

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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        MP

        Yeah lets wait, its coming.

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        PeterS

        Such scenarios are very possible. We will just have to wait and see. There’s also the possibility of civil war before the next election but I don’t expect it. Then again look how fast things have changed over the past two years. One more year we could find ourselves in a very different world.

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      Forrest Gardener

      There is an interesting balance between the right to remove a government and treason for doing so.

      Or in plain language you’d better shoot straight if you are going to kill the king.

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        PeterS

        That’s the problem I see. As with any revolution the victor ends up re-writing the law and gets away with it. So, if there is going to be a serious uprising in the US then they better make sure they have a significant advantage in numbers who are prepared to sacrifice themselves for what they truly believe, exactly what they did to win their independence from the British. The alternative is for the union to break apart amicably but that’s difficult too as it’s against the Constitution.

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    Wirebird

    Jo has mentioned it a few times, but for those not familiar, MEDCRAM has made medical education videos for over 4 years, aimed at medical professionals. One of its founders, Dr Roger Seheult, (who specialises in internal medicine, pulmonary, critical care, and sleep medicine) has been treating covid and doing videos on it since early 2020. Although most of those videos are still medically technical, they have also attracted a general audience who can understand them enough to find them interesting.
    This recent one is unusually long (approx 150 mins) but is accompanied by an index which may make it convenient to tackle in bites.
    “COVID Vaccine Myths, Questions, and Rumors with Rhonda Patrick and Roger Seheult”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp-nPZETLTo

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      Fran

      If you want a frisson of fear, better watch this. Given that you are in the unvaxinated group till 2 weeks after the vaccine, the increase in hospitalization in the young might be reflecting a whole bunch of young people getting seriously ill after vaccination.

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    David Maddison

    The sickness afflicting Australia is not so much the ‘Rona but the absolute incompetence of the authorities to deal with it.

    The only solution they have on offer is extreme isolation and lock up, extreme removal of individual rights, extreme destruction of the economy and essentially only a single approved treatment regime outside of which no deviation is possible or even legal.

    The current methodology has already caused massive economic and social destruction and very likely unnecessary deaths (because of a refusal to even try otherwise harmless therapeutic protocols such as IVM, HCQ, with zinc, Vit D etc as specified).

    At the current progress Australia as we know it will be utterly destroyed and will become more of a dystopian nightmare and dictatorship than it already is.

    Of course, the Left are oblivious to the harm being done, this is the society they have always wanted, hence you never hear them complain about lock up, inability to work or trade or huge fines etc.).

    And you are kidding yourself that much will change when and if the double vax targets are met. There will always be new strains of the ‘Rona and other respiratory diseases evolving for which the current vaccines are ineffective so we’ll be in a permanent state of lock up and Australian society as we know it will collapse and there’ll be massive civil unrest. The Authorities will also then progress from shooting people with “less lethal” munitions as they have been doing in Melbdanistan to lead bullets. Sooner or later I have no doubt they’ll commit a massacre of a large number of protectors, and the guilty officers will claim “just following orders” (which of course is inexcusable).

    I don’t think anyone ever thought that Australian society could degenerate like this with Australian against Australian, friend against friend, sibling against sibling etc as regards to thoughts about the vax, virus or lock ups etc.. Especially with respect to the extreme and violent measures taken by authorities.

    Australia started as a free range prison. That’s how it will finish, but without the free range part.

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      PeterS

      I too am surprised as to speed at which all this is happening. What surprised me even more is how much of Australia is actually accepting it all. That might change once mandatory vaccinations and passports are enforced but we will just have to wait and see how Australians in general react. If they accept such draconian measures and they become permanent, then the Australia we knew will have fallen. Next step after that will likely be the expansion of the vaccine passport to include social credit system being considered elsewhere and already in use in China. It will be the death knell of our freedoms. Too early to tell if we will get that far as quickly as we have gone this far with what’s been happening lately. If it doesn’t then I expect it well be postponed to a later time after more people have been indoctrinated as people go through the school system for the next generation. It’s all so clear what’s happening, only the exact timing is unknown.

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        OriginalSteve

        It cant happen this fast unless it was pre PLANNED.

        Lets be blunt, it appears we are dealing with an unholy power.

        Evil has to be dealt with, appeasement just makes evil stronger.

        Something will happen..and it will erupt into open warfare against the police. I hope it doesnt happen, as violence is never the answer. There appears in Victoria an organized and intelligent resistance movement in operation but I fear a violent reaction. When it escalates hypothetically into for example, multiple molotov cocktail barrages against police riot units, its the point of no return…but it may get to direct conflict if the people think they have no option.

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          PeterS

          My thoughts too for some time. It’s hard to know the exact details but something is most definitely amiss. We will know soon enough if we are getting very close to the tribulation spoken of in the Scriptures. If we are then expect two very powerful and charismatic people to come to the scene, who will be easily noticed by those who are awake. These two are of course the antichrist and the false prophet, the latter will head a world church that will convince a lot of Christians to believe in the two only to find themselves to have fallen away if they don’t wake up early enough before the great tribulation is over.

          As for the police, I expect there are some who are full of hatred and will bash people almost to the death, as a few already have, while there are others who don’t agree with what they are told to do but have no choice but to follow orders to keep their jobs. How long that will last before many break ranks is anyone’s guess.

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            el+gordo

            The false prophet might be related to ideology and not a charismatic individual.

            In the Trinity is Jesus the son?

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              PeterS

              The false prophet is clearly a man. His destiny is the same as that of the beast (antichrist) –
              Revelation 19:20
              Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

              The Holy Trinity is accepted by Christians to be the one God who is both three and one (triune); the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, “one in essence and undivided”. The Holy Trinity is three “unconfused” and distinct divine persons (hypostases), who share one divine essence (ousia); uncreated, immaterial and eternal. This is the accepted Eastern Orthodox position (Greek, Russian and others). Most Western churches have the same sort of meaning but there are offshoots that have a slightly different view.

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                el+gordo

                Freud talked of the Id, Ego and Superego, which may throw some light on the conversation. The whole belief system might just be a state of mind.

                A charismatic false prophet would need to perform miracles, splashed around the world through the MSM, he would be seen as a saviour of humanity.

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          Fran

          It does not have to be planned ahead. It is more likely politicians discovering in the initial panic that keeping focus on the virus diverts attention from other things. As far as the speed is concerned, the media have always been into catastrophization.

          Add to these factors MASS FORMATION due to a significant portion of the population being anxious and dissatisfied. This PANDA video about mass formation rings true to me.

          https://youtu.be/uLDpZ8daIVM

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            Brenda Spence

            Yes. The 30:40:30 rings true to me. Does that mean we’ll never get past 70% injected?

            The anxious people latched on to the global warming scam in the same way.

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      robert rosicka

      A couple of years ago I would of called you hysterical and a conspiracy nut for saying that but now it seems like a matter of when not if , there will also be a follow on to other states when NSW opens up to travelling overseas states like QLD and WA will suddenly see their citizens demanding the same but they are also governed by dictator style premiers who won’t be budged on locking up and locking out .

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        Brenda Spence

        WA faces a problem.

        Life is normal here, even holding the AFL grand final with 60,000 spectators – what’s not to love? But in the foreseeable future where borders are reopened, there maybe be a flood of covid from vaccinated tourists.

        What is the Premier to do?

        Keep the borders closed as long as possible? After all, the states income has been huge due to nothing being shut down. I think that’s the plan.

        On the whole WA is a happy place and a whole lot of people want it to stay this way.

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          Forrest Gardener

          And Queensland too. Perhaps quarantine is here to stay. Or mandatory rapid lateral flow test at the border.

          Both of those things would be a powerful dampener to the happy clapping get an injection to get your freedom back propaganda.

          Or perhaps antivirals will appear over the horizon and find favour among the powers that be.

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          your states turns will come sooner or later
          but they will come

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          PeterS

          Once the current health emergency standing is disbanded, any border closures will automatically become illegal and the federal government can force the borders to be re-opened. How it would be done is the question.

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          robert rosicka

          Brenda when the other states are flying to Bali and other overseas destinations I think there might just be a change of heart .

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          OriginalSteve

          Um…do what the Indians did, and hand out our Ivermectin to anyone who enters WA….

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      Graeme No.3

      David,
      my feeling is that the shutdowns have isolated people from their normal activities and they feel defenceless against a united bureaucracy, so they go along with the diktats. Case in point yesterday, she was quite well aware of problems with the ‘orthodox’ view but was getting jabbed because she wanted to travel. Didn’t think that the vaccine would be that good nor lasting.
      The problem for some State would-be ‘Benitos’ is elections coming if there is effective rejection.

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        PeterS

        Let’s be honest. If the widespread coercion to vaccinate happened say 10 years ago there would be a huge rejection and any mandate to be vaccinated to keep your job would not be tolerated. Today it’s all different. It means we have become a nation of jelly backed gullible fools. There is nothing else to it.

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          Tilba+Tilba

          If the widespread coercion to vaccinate happened say 10 years ago there would be a huge rejection and any mandate to be vaccinated to keep your job would not be tolerated. Today it’s all different. It means we have become a nation of jelly backed gullible fools. There is nothing else to it.

          Ten years ago we did not have a pandemic – a serious respiratory disease that is spread by aerosol means, and is incredibly infectious. I don’t support mandatory vaccination either – but it is essential in some industries (health, aged care, education).

          The vaccine requirement in construction is based on the medical data – that a large percentage of the spreading has come from that sector, certainly in Melbourne.

          Our acceptance of the vaccination rollout reflects a sensible understanding of the position we are in, and that we cannot stay hidden in our homes forever, with great economic and social cost. There is nothing else to it.

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            John+R+Smith

            Vaccination Macht Frei

            Well … free-ish, not the old free, the Net Zero Free.

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            Forrest Gardener

            TT who is this “we” you speak of and who made you its spokesman?

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              MP

              Exactly, to thick to look at the consensus of thumbs.

              Absolute waste of pixels and oxygen.

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                Tilba+Tilba

                On the whole WA is a happy place and a whole lot of people want it to stay this way.

                People are still getting vaccinated in WA – now at about 46% fully vaccinated, and they are also aiming to reach the 80% required under the National Plan.

                There are two other issues: (a) it’s not a one-way street, so Victoria is not going to let Western Australians in forever, if Victorians can’t travel to WA, and what happens to those who go east – can they come back? and (b) even with closed borders it’s inevitable that the virus will get in at some time.

                It might well be a happy place, but it can’t stay locked out forever, notwithstanding the isolationist tendencies of many of its citizens.

                When I lived in Perth, I met quite a few people who were rather proud of the fact they had never been “over east”.

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              Tilba+Tilba

              TT who is this “we” you speak of and who made you its spokesman?

              I’m the elected representative of the smart, socially responsible, science-based types. Can’t you tell? 🙂

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            yarpos

            10 years ago 1000s died annually of Flu and Pneumonia and many more hospitalised.

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              el+gordo

              They were the bad old days. Now that we are all so incredibly aware that if we stop flu at the borders it will become a thing of the past.

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          Chris

          People have lost all moral sense or ethics. The push to vaccinate children with an unproven, experimental drug when they have only a very small chance of being affected by Covid; to protect adults is obscene.
          What sort of people put their children in the line of fire to protect themselves?

          Ten years ago this would have been unthinkable.

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            PeterS

            Ten years ago if a lot of people suffered ill side effects or died from a vaccine that was not fully tested and approved it would be withdrawn in no time. Our leaders better hope we don’t see masses of people suffering long term side effects or deaths in the months or years ahead or else there won’t be anywhere they can hide from the angry crowd. Of course they could engineer a diversion and they probably will.

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      Tilba+Tilba

      Of course, the Left are oblivious to the harm being done, this is the society they have always wanted, hence you never hear them complain about lock up, inability to work or trade or huge fines etc.).

      I can assure you “the left” is far more concerned about the safety and prosperity of the vast majority of working Australians than the right is when they cry “freedom” and shed all those crocodile tears.

      And the left has both logical and emotional intelligence – and hates the economic and social cost of the pandemic as much as anyone, but understands that we have a public health emergency that requires restriction of mobility and the banning of crowds.

      Sometimes the measures seem over-the-top, but there again, when there is a serious outbreak, governments get blasted for not doing enough. It’s a balancing act, and always has been.

      Your fanciful insistence there will be massive resistance and civil disturbance barely warrants a response. We live in a liberal democracy, and governments face elections over the next year or so. People can have their say then. I would expect most state governments will be returned, as will Scotty from Marketing.

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        clarence.t

        “left has both logical and emotional intelligence”

        Deep sarcasm there, TT !

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        Forrest Gardener

        And now TT you are bold enough to speak for “the left”.

        Just a hint, but try speaking for yourself. And as a further hint first seek to understand the people you are speaking to.

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    robert rosicka

    A friend of mine was getting the Jab yesterday and during the 15 minute wait afterwards they noticed a nurse running from a cubicle and slapping a button on a wall opposite to where she was . Within seconds there was a flurry of Medical staff running into that cubicle and when my friend got curious and had a look outside the cubicle could clearly see someone on the ground with medical staff in attendance .

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      PeterS

      Such incidents are happening far more frequently that most realise. How do I know? I’ve seen so many nurses being interviewed who say the same thing. They can’t all be telling lies. For example,
      https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/09/22/hhs-whistleblower-vaccine-side-effects.html

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        Ronin

        Just a slight vax ‘accident’.

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        Chris

        Our 64 year old neighbour, a bouncy, energetic , enthusiastic real estate agent had his second jab for work requirements ; 17 days later he is now in hospital after a massive stroke. The hospital has told his wife it was not the jab, just a coincidence. Hmmmm.

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        OriginalSteve

        A,typical lie software snake oil salesmen tell you is “Youre the only ones with that problem”….

        So the lie the MSM tell is its “rate”…so rare that 8500 people have died in the US from a “rate” vaccine event.

        Its simple – stay away from the vax. in 2 years I expect I will be driving a bulldozer to dig huge holes to bury many fully vaccinated dead people….

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          OriginalSteve

          rare…not rate…rotten autocorrect

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          MP

          530 in Australia, nearly 60 000 injured, that’s reported.

          Rona deaths of palliative and end of life care this year 277, hmm what to do, what to do.

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            MP

            oops that was last week.
            deaths 556
            injured 61 738

            still 277 plague deaths.

            Melbourne is going into the 18th lock down, having beaten the devastating virus 16 times.

            Police have now killed their first peaceful protestor. For our safety.

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      David Maddison

      They have to harm or kill people in order to save them.

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      MP

      My wife works one the counter of a business, the workers are getting stuck so they can go to the gym. One young lad got stuck last Monday, came back to work, ended the day and has not been to work since, these lads are casual and no work no pay.
      An old couple came into her work, he has brain cancer, he went to the hospital for his treatment, they refused him treatment because he was unstuck. They then stuck him and treated him, same day, yeah its about our health.
      Every day she gets told stories from first hand experiences, shocking stories.

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      Yonniestone.

      Locally a medical centre was doing nothing but vaccinations, a very close friend of mine was there when a young man came out after the jab and fell off the chair having a seizure on the floor, the doctors couldn’t stabilize him and an ambulance took him to hospital.

      My friend overheard the receptionist say to the doctor “that’s the third one today” to which my friend promptly walked out without getting a vaccination, they were getting it to keep their job but said “I’d rather be alive and broke than employed and dead”, my work hasn’t mandated vaccinations yet and no way in hell am I getting one, my body my choice!

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    OldOzzie

    What is with Medical People and Darts?

    WATCH – FDA Worker Recommends Blow Darts for Vaccinating Black People

    Project Veritas’ second Covid-19 vaccination video seems like a comedy but ultimately isn’t very funny. In the video, FDA economist Taylor Lee calls for vaccinating black people with “blow darts” so many times you’ll wonder if he is he joking or not. When the Project Veritas undercover reporter suggests that blow darts might remind black folks of slaves being rounded up in Africa, Lee suggests blow-darting white people first so that black folks can’t claim “racism.”

    Lee, in what appears to be several meetings with the undercover journalist, also suggests handling non-vaccinated people in [email protected] ways, including identifying the unvaxxed “like, with a [email protected] star” and going door-to-door to force vaccinations.

    From the Comments – The Australian –

    City of plague and protest, rubber bullets and vax darts

    Can I suggest the police stop shooting rubber bullets and start shooting protesters with Covid vax syringes? Visit the zoo. Get tranquilliser guns.

    Dr Craig Mills, Kew, Vic

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      PeterS

      Go door to door and vaccinate everyone? Not in the US unless he wants to be shot in the face with a bullet instead of a vaccine shot in the arm.

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    David Maddison

    Tony Heller has just made a short video about how the Dumbocrats have effectively reinstated racial segregation in New York.

    https://youtu.be/ah0M1I72Ijk

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    David Maddison

    I have a question about the mRNA “vaccines”.

    Suppose you survive both injections without obvious side-effects such as death or blood clots, after a time will your body eventually return to a pristine state as it was before the vax? In other words, after a time (how long?) would your body become indistinguishable biochemically and in every other way to what it was before?

    Nothing seems to have been discussed about this.

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      GTB

      There is no off switch in the vaccine. When you think about it, the vaccine accurately perpetuates the continuing of the pandemic.

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      PeterS

      I think that would an academic question unless the person gets booster shots with a different vaccine. People in many countries are now being told they must get booster shots with mRNA types. To answer your question though, I haven’t seen any short term studies. Long terms ones of course will have to wait.

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      Scissor

      Most formerly healthy cells that later express the spike protein due to mRNA are killed by one’s immune system. Other cells where the spike protein bind will also be killed.

      Many cells are regenerated, some are not. It remains to be seen what is in store long term. Presumably, the anti-bodies provide protection from CV, though there is risk of detrimental effects from these, autoimmune disease, ADE, etc.

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      OldOzzie

      Political Appointee CDC Director Rochelle Walensky Overrides FDA Vaccine Advisory Committee and Authorizes Pfizer Booster Shots

      Centers for Disease Control (CDC) Director Rochelle Walensky has overridden the recommendations of the FDA vaccine advisory committee and authorized booster shots for individuals who took the Pfizer vaccine. The boosters are for anyone who took the Pfizer vaccine six months ago or more, in addition to all those with underlying medical health conditions that make them susceptible to the COVID-19 variants.

      The unilateral booster declaration does not include authorization for Moderna or Johnson and Johnson, only Pfizer. Apparently, the Pfizer lobbying group has deeper pockets and is more politically connected. The Moderna and J&J decision will be made at a later date.

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      Forrest Gardener

      An excellent question. Perhaps there is a clue in the professed need for booster shots. Some appear to be reformulated for variants. Others including I think are just repeats.

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      Yonniestone.

      David at #6.3 I gave this link to Dr Andreas Kalker a developer of Chlorine Dioxide Solution Protocols https://andreaskalcker.com/en/coronavirus/clinical-study-with-chlorine-dioxide.html

      It’s recently been claimed that Clo2 actually unbinds the spike proteins and reverses the effects leaving the body in as you say a pristine state, I’ll wait for experience or opinions before making judgements but it would be great news for those developing debilitating side effects.

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      Destroyer D69

      Short answer… It will never be the same as before. There is NO antidote, or reversal to the prior state, irrespective of the passage of time .This I believe to be a fact that has NOT been denied or disproved, by any of the “Vaccine” proponents.

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    PeterS

    Dr. Leana Wen admits the vaccines are not yet officially fully approved and so she questions why the FDA is still not fully approving them given that so many people have been vaccinated. In other words, it proves the trials are still being conducted on the masses. The point being neglected by the idiotic doctor is that the reason the FDA won’t fully approve the vaccines is because they are still undergoing trials and full approval won’t happen for a long time yet to come. This revelation is proof why those who have some apprehension of being vaccinated like myself are correct in doing so. That is the truth of the situation and is the legitimate reason why vaccination can’t be enforced under any circumstances, and in fact could be illegal under our existing laws but that hasn’t been tested as yet. The correct approach is to give everyone the choice to be vaccinated or not and leave it at that. No coercion, no restriction for employment, no passports, etc.. I am now completely satisfied I have done the right thing not to get vaccinated until the vaccines are fully approved, and even then it might not be necessary depending on the circumstances. In any case I have a greater chance of dying from other serious diseases that the vast majority of people will never get vaccinated for – the statistics speak for themselves.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvtKq79oUX8

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    Catherine

    lack of safety data……

    FDA Panel Backs Pfizer Booster for Select Groups
    — Advisors overwhelmingly support authorization, but shot down full approval bid
    by Molly Walker, Deputy Managing Editor, MedPage Today September 17, 2021

    FDA ADCOMM Pfizer vaccine (Comirnaty): Booster Dose on a computer rendering of vials of Booster Vaccine on a production line
    An FDA advisory panel recommended emergency use authorization (EUA) of a booster dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (Comirnaty) for individuals 65 and older, and those judged to be at high risk of severe COVID-19.

    On Friday, the FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) voted 18-0 that the known and potential benefits of a booster dose outweighed the known and potential risks for older adults, and for individuals 16 and up at high risk of severe disease.

    The committee also agreed that healthcare workers and others at high risk for occupational exposure should be included in the EUA, which Peter Marks, MD, PhD, of FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER), said could include frontline workers, such as teachers, and certain infrastructure workers.

    However, full approval of a booster dose was not recommended for all individuals ages 16 and older, by a vote of 2-16, with the committee mainly citing lack of safety data for the general population, including the risk for myocarditis in younger men.

    Not only that, but VRBPAC did not buy manufacturer Pfizer’s argument about “waning vaccine efficacy” as a significant driver of transmission, as CDC staff noted that transmission in the U.S. was mainly driven by the unvaccinated population.

    “I have major concerns with regards to the extrapolation of the much older population to 16- and 17-year-olds,” said Archana Chatterjee, MD, PhD, of Rosalind Franklin University in North Chicago. “There is no data on this population at all and the safety database presented was too small.”

    Pfizer presented safety and immunogenicity data from a cohort of about 300 adults ages 18 and older from the phase I/II/III trials who received booster doses, including only 12 adults ages 65 and older. This was the only data the committee was allowed to consider in its first voting question on approval, though Marks said committee members could consider the “totality of the evidence.”

    Committee members were most struck by real-world data from Israel, published this week in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), that showed a benefit for a booster dose for adults ages 60 and older.

    “The safety data we have reflects 60-year-olds,” said Eric Rubin, MD, PhD, of Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health in Boston, and NEJM editor-in-chief. “That’s quite different from ‘people should get a third dose,'” which he described as “closer to being written as a mandate that everyone should get it.”

    Mark Sawyer, MD, of the University of California San Diego, was one of the only two “yes” votes on the first question, saying he thought approval for the general population was the “quickest, most efficient way for providers” to target certain high-risk populations who needed booster doses.

    Sawyer also voted yes to the EUA question.

    “I think this is a really amazing vote” for older adults and healthcare workers, who were vaccinated earlier and needed more protection, said Amanda Cohn, MD, of the CDC. She also said she was hopeful that once more data were available, they would reconvene to vote on a third dose for the general population.

    Marks seemed to be leaning toward nudging the VRBPAC members to vote on the approval, taking time to show a slide from the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) that showed that half of currently recommended vaccines require an additional dose 6 months after the primary series.

    He added that the idea of preventing severe disease and hospitalization was only part of the job of a vaccine, as they are “indicated for various severities of disease prevention,” including preventing continued spread of COVID-19 to vulnerable populations, such as children too young to be vaccinated.

    Ultimately, the committee had no appetite for approval for a host of reasons. In addition to safety data, committee members said they wanted to see vaccines based on the circulating variant, studies of longer time between primary series and even a longer follow-up period following the booster dose to determine durability of immunity.

    CDC staff also noted that they are currently evaluating data on the 1 million individuals who received a third dose of vaccine, and expect to make them available shortly.

    Last Updated September 18, 2021

    ————–
    Study Type : Interventional (Clinical Trial)
    Estimated Enrollment : 4500 participants
    Allocation: Non-Randomized
    Intervention Model: Parallel Assignment
    Masking: None (Open Label)
    Primary Purpose: Prevention
    Official Title: A PHASE 1, OPEN-LABEL DOSE-FINDING STUDY TO EVALUATE SAFETY, TOLERABILITY, AND
    IMMUNOGENICITY AND PHASE 2/3 PLACEBO-CONTROLLED, OBSERVER-BLINDED SAFETY,
    TOLERABILITY, AND IMMUNOGENICITY STUDY OF A SARS-COV-2 RNA VACCINE CANDIDATE
    AGAINST COVID-19 IN HEALTHY CHILDREN <12 YEARS OF AGE
    Actual Study Start Date : March 24, 2021
    Estimated Primary Completion Date : September 27, 2023
    Estimated Study Completion Date : September 27, 2023
    —————–

    Go to sections
    Study Type : Interventional (Clinical Trial)
    Estimated Enrollment : 43998 participants
    Allocation: Randomized
    Intervention Model: Parallel Assignment
    Masking: Triple (Participant, Care Provider, Investigator)
    Primary Purpose: Prevention
    Official Title: A PHASE 1/2/3, PLACEBO-CONTROLLED, RANDOMIZED, OBSERVER-BLIND, DOSE-FINDING STUDY TO EVALUATE THE SAFETY, TOLERABILITY, IMMUNOGENICITY, AND EFFICACY OF SARS-COV-2 RNA VACCINE CANDIDATES AGAINST COVID-19 IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS
    Actual Study Start Date : April 29, 2020
    Estimated Primary Completion Date : May 2, 2023
    Estimated Study Completion Date : May 2, 2023
    ———

    Study Type : Interventional (Clinical Trial)
    Estimated Enrollment : 700 participants
    Allocation: Randomized
    Intervention Model: Parallel Assignment
    Masking: Triple (Participant, Care Provider, Investigator)
    Primary Purpose: Prevention
    Official Title: A PHASE 2/3, PLACEBO-CONTROLLED, RANDOMIZED, OBSERVER-BLIND STUDY TO EVALUATE THE SAFETY, TOLERABILITY, AND IMMUNOGENICITY OF A SARS-COV-2 RNA VACCINE CANDIDATE (BNT162b2) AGAINST COVID-19 IN HEALTHY PREGNANT WOMEN 18 YEARS OF AGE AND OLDER
    Actual Study Start Date : February 16, 2021
    Estimated Primary Completion Date : October 15, 2022
    Estimated Study Completion Date : October 15, 2022
    ———-
    The primary objective is to evaluate the safety and reactogenicity of a 2-dose vaccination schedule of mRNA-1273, given 28 days apart, across 5 dosages in healthy adults.

    Study Type : Interventional (Clinical Trial)
    Actual Enrollment : 120 participants
    Allocation: Non-Randomized
    Intervention Model: Sequential Assignment
    Masking: None (Open Label)
    Primary Purpose: Prevention
    Official Title: Phase I, Open-Label, Dose-Ranging Study of the Safety and Immunogenicity of 2019-nCoV Vaccine (mRNA-1273)
    in Healthy Adults
    Actual Study Start Date : March 16, 2020
    Estimated Primary Completion Date : November 22, 2022
    Estimated Study Completion Date : November 22, 2022

    Primary Outcome Measures :
    Frequency of any medically-attended adverse events (MAAEs) [ Time Frame: Day 1 to Day 394 ]
    Frequency of any medically-attended adverse events (MAAEs) [ Time Frame: Day 366 to Day 731 ]
    Optional third mRNA-1273 vaccination sub-study

    Frequency of any new-onset chronic medical conditions (NOCMCs) [ Time Frame: Day 1 to Day 394 ]
    Frequency of any new-onset chronic medical conditions (NOCMCs) [ Time Frame: Day 366 to Day 731 ]
    Optional third mRNA-1273 vaccination sub-study

    Frequency of any protocol specified adverse event of special interest (AESIs) [ Time Frame: Day 1 to Day 394 ]
    Frequency of any protocol specified adverse event of special interest (AESIs) [ Time Frame: Day 366 to Day 731 ]
    Optional third mRNA-1273 vaccination sub-study

    Frequency of any serious adverse events (SAEs) [ Time Frame: Day 1 to Day 394 ]
    Frequency of any serious adverse events (SAEs) [ Time Frame: Day 366 to Day 731 ]
    Optional third mRNA-1273 vaccination sub-study

    ….? new-onset chronic medical conditions….

    —————

    etc…

    (I am not an anti-vaxxer… I have just got a whooping cough booster)

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    Pauly

    I found the following link at a skeptic site, highlighting significant anomalies with published studies of the effectiveness of Ivermectin on COVID-19:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01535-y

    One of the authors has a blog site where he has expanded into a six-part feature on his findings:
    https://gidmk.medium.com/is-ivermectin-for-covid-19-based-on-fraudulent-research-5cc079278602

    His focus is on the published studies. The question he poses is serious. Have these studies relied on fraudulent research? Or has he cherry-picked only a few already discredited studies, and incorrectly generalised that ivermectin does nothing for Covid?

    Where does the truth lie?

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      redress

      In Japan, the government approved the use of Ivermectin in August, recommending that all doctors start using Ivermectin to treat covid.
      Go to this site,

      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/
      and look at the graph – Newly Infected vs. Newly Recovered in Japan

      I wonder what caused the spike in New Recoveries and the corresponding decline in New Cases………..

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      Brenda Spence

      Just heard from Sidney Powell’s Defending the Republic website:

      NIH STUDY CONCLUDES IVERMECTIN WORKS!

       

      QUOTE: Because we’ve come to expect nothing but cover-ups and anti-science diktats from NIH and its subdivisions, NIH has published on its website and article in the July-August issue of the American Journal of Therapeutics that concluded that “large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin.”

       

      The study authors continued, “Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.”

       

      Of course, those of us who have been listening to tip-of-the-spear doctors with integrity—like Dr Bryan Ardis, Dr Richard Bartlett, Dr Eric Nepute, and America’s Frontline Doctors and others—knew this months ago, but it’s nice to know that Medicine, Inc. is FINALLY admitting the truth.

       

      https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx

      Ivermectin is likely to be an equitable, acceptable, and feasible global intervention against COVID-19. Health professionals should strongly consider its use, in both treatment and prophylaxis.

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        OldOzzie

        Conclusions:

        Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

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        Forrest Gardener

        Hopefully the powers that be will be right onto invermectin once the injection fetish has run its course.

        My hope remains with the data from India and the research from Israel.

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        David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

        Thanks Brenda,
        The article seems to be the one we saw from Tess Lawrie in pre-print form a while back.
        Great to see it formally published.
        Cheers
        Dave B

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      Pauly
      l am just a bystander looking for some truth,
      what l could see from the second link as a problem in the theory is that for a start the guy is not understanding or hearing what the experts such as Dr Borody have said about the use of Ivermectin as a treatment for covid to be used in the early stages of illness from the virus, Dr Borody said that Ivermectin used in later stages was not as effective but could still be beneficial to the patients, then you have Dr Zelenco who has treated over 6000 cases with not one early treatment patient going to hospital or dying from the virus, l am pretty sure Dr Zelenco stated he had three patients that were very ill in ICU that did die with the virus from comorbidities but the treatment was at a late stage of illness when the patients were already very sick in the ICU

      these studies are flawed especially when all you need to see is the graphs used in places like India for example that show clearly the effect of when using Ivermectin and when not using Ivermectin but then using the Ivermectin again

      the biggies in the world do not want a cheap safe treatment available that they do not make more billions from

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    robert rosicka

    Not sure if this video of a ex NSW cop talking about his fears of what the force is becoming has been posted before but well worth watching .

    https://vimeo.com/612584943?fbclid=IwAR3BGoT50gSp4wffFzqEgGJxNOA-3FNTnzMaXd05u2K8OEc61wUgADFa9vU

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      PeterS

      An earlier version has already been posted. Haven’t seen this one before. It’s interesting that any in the police force are resisting mandatory vaccination (along with nurses and construction workers) yet they are being used to stop protesters who are being outspokenly rejecting mandatory vaccinations. If that isn’t a reality check to wake people up then nothing is – excepts perhaps a civil uprising, which appears unlikely here.

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      PeterS

      We shall see what happens after the deadline for police, nurses and construction workers. Teachers have all given in to the vaccinations (apart form those who reigned of course). My gut feeling is most will cave in just like the teachers. It’s their livelihoods at stake, and the politicians and commissioners know it, so officialdom will win this round towards tyranny. Next step will be interesting though – mandatory vaccine passports for everyone. That will be a somewhat harder one for them to get away with at this stage. Let’s see how far that goes.

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      MP

      Does not matter, keep putting them up, people miss links or could not be bothered opening them.

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    PeterS

    any in the police force – > many in the police force

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    Tilba+Tilba

    What might be a surprise to some, not least Arizona conservatives … the Arizona “audit” shows that Joe Biden won the state, and in fact the Biden vote was the one under-counted.

    This outcome does not “confirm” Joe Biden’s win, because (a) the exercise was fraudulent and incompetent, and (b) Biden’s win was confirmed in November 2020 and January 2021 … there was nothing to prove.

    I trust that Donald Trump and all those who claim the election was stolen now accept the result, and move on … but I expect they won’t, and will double down in other states. The real lose is democracy in the US.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/arizona-republicans-release-findings-widely-panned-election-audit-2021-09-24/

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      Forrest Gardener

      TT you appear to believe anything which fits your pre-conceived notions.

      An early reading of the audit information is that the election was an unmitigated shambles. Maybe start from there before you declare things which were not in the audit reports.

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        Ian

        ” TT you appear to believe anything which fits your pre-conceived notion” That seems a bit rich as you yourself state

        “An early reading of the audit information is that the election was an unmitigated shambles. Maybe start from there before you declare things which were not in the audit reports.”

        If that isn’t fitting something into pre-conceived notions I don’t know what is. Did you read what Karen Fann and Doug Logan had to say?. Judging from your comment probably not but both are Trump supporters and were heavily involved in the audit. Both of them said there was no evidence of significant difference between the election results and those given by the audit

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      OldOzzie

      Ignore the MSM: Here’s What the 2020 Maricopa County Election Audit Actually Says

      So, let’s look into what the audit actually says.

      “What has been found is both encouraging and alarming,” the report summary reads. “On the positive side there were no substantial differences between the hand count of the ballots provided and the official canvass results for the County.”

      The summary continues:

      However, while it is encouraging for voters, it does not allay all of the concerns:

      . None of the various systems related to elections had numbers that would balance and agree with each other. In some cases, these differences were significant.
      . There appears to be many ballots cast from individuals who had moved prior to the election.
      . Files were missing from the Election Management System (EMS) Server.
      . Ballot images on the EMS were corrupt or missing.
      . Logs appeared to be intentionally rolled over, and all the data in the database related to the 2020 General Election had been fully cleared.
      . On the ballot side, batches were not always clearly delineated, duplicated ballots were missing the required serial numbers, originals were duplicated more than once, and the Auditors were never provided Chain‐of‐ Custody documentation for the ballots for the time‐period prior to the ballot’s movement into the Auditors’ care. This all increased the complexity and difficulty in properly auditing the results; and added ambiguity into the final conclusions.

      The audit team faults Maricopa County officials for not cooperating with the audit, which would have resolved many of these obstacles. “By the County withholding subpoena items, their unwillingness to answer questions as is normal between auditor and auditee, and in some cases actively interfering with audit research, the County prevented a complete audit,” the summary explains. “This did not stop the primary goal of offering recommendations for legislative reform to the Arizona Senate, but it did leave many questions open as to the way and manner that the 2020 General Election was conducted. As a result, while many areas of concern were specifically identified, our full audit results validating the 2020 General Election are necessarily inconclusive.”

      While the media is claiming that the audit report confirms Biden’s victory, it does not. “There are sufficient discrepancies among the different systems that, in conjunction with some of our findings, suggest that the delta between the Presidential candidates is very close to the potential margin‐of‐error for the election,” the audit summary explains.

      Why do these matter? Because, according to the state-certified results, Joe Biden barely won the state by a 10,457-vote margin. The tiny margin of victory in the state-certified results means that these discrepancies are very troubling. There were 42,727 impacted ballots ranked as “high” or “critical” severity—that’s four times the certified margin of victory. If you include “medium” severity discrepancies, there were 53,214 impacted ballots—more than five times the certified margin of victory. Overall, there were 57,734 impacted ballots.

      These findings don’t prove fraud, but certainly demonstrate the potential for fraud. And these impacted ballots have not been vetted.

      So, has Joe Biden’s victory been proven? Not in the least. The truth is, we’ll never know the truth about how many ballots were impacted. Of course, the mainstream media knows this, which is why, deep down in CNN’s report about the audit, it laments that the draft report “shows that Cyber Ninjas and their subcontractors are still seeking ways to cast doubt on the election,” pointing to the thousands of ballots flagged.

      The bottom line: The number of ballots impacted by discrepancies far exceeds Biden’s margin of victory in the state. Both sides of this debate will claim the report validates their position, but in truth, without proper vetting of the impacted ballots, we’ll never know if the election results were legitimate.

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        OldOzzie

        “The Fake News is lying about the Arizona audit report!” Donald Trump said in a statement. “The leaked report conclusively shows there were enough fraudulent votes, mystery votes, and fake votes to change the outcome of the election 4 or 5 times over.”

        Trump also noted that the number of potentially fraudulent votes is “many more times than the so-called margin of ‘victory,’ which was only 10,457.”

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      OldOzzie

      Did The Maricopa County Election Audit Vindicate Trump?

      The mainstream media was quick to jump on the leaked draft report of the Maricopa Country 2020 election audit, claiming (falsely) that it proved Joe Biden was the legitimate winner of Arizona.

      It did no such thing. Like the hand recounts before it, the hand recount conducted by the audit team found few discrepancies in the vote tallies of the ballots. The forensic audit, however, did uncover 57,734 ballots impacted by irregularities—which is 5.5 times Biden’s state-certified margin of victory of 10,457 votes. The audit team acknowledged that “in many cases there could be legitimate and legal votes within the Ballots Impact amount,” but without vetting these votes, we’ll never know. The results of the election can’t be changed at this point, but the audit team did make a number of suggestions for legislative fixes to make Arizona’s elections more secure.

      Sadly, the mainstream media used the hand recount results to declare that Biden was confirmed the winner, even though the audit identified over 57,000 votes impacted by irregularities, and stated unequivocally that “full audit results validating the 2020 General Election are necessarily inconclusive.”

      I am under no illusions. We’ll never get a proper vetting of these questionable ballots. But one thing is clear: There were a lot of irregularities, and those irregularities impacted enough votes that they could have altered the results of the election. Below, I will explain the findings of the medium, high, and critical ballots—which account for 53,214 of the 57,734 ballots impacted, so you can understand why they were flagged by the audit team, and why a significant number of these ballots could be fraudulent.

      – Mail-In Ballots Voted From Prior Address (23,344)
      – Potential Voters Who Voted in Multiple Counties (10,342)
      – More Ballots Returned by Voters Than Received (9,041)
      – Official Results Do Not Match Who Voted (3,432)
      – More Duplicates Than Original Ballots (2,592)
      – In-Person Voters Who Had Moved Out of Maricopa County (2,382)
      – Voters Moved Out of State During 29-Day Period Proceeding Election (2,081)

      Conclusion

      The flagged ballots above, plus the 4,520 low-severity ballots not detailed, give us plenty of reason to question the official results of the election in Arizona given the small margin of victory. The MSM’s deliberate misrepresentation of the audit’s findings prove they know these are serious irregularities that may have changed the results of the election. In other words, the audit didn’t confirm Biden’s victory. There were significant irregularities, and those irregularities impacted five times the number of ballots than Biden’s certified margin of victory. While fraud may not have been proven yet, and we may never know if a vetting of these impacted ballots prove Trump legitimately won Arizona, the audit, nevertheless, vindicates Donald Trump.

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        Ian

        “Sadly, the mainstream media used the hand recount results to declare that Biden was confirmed the winner, even though the audit identified over 57,000 votes impacted by irregularities, and stated unequivocally that “full audit results validating the 2020 General Election are necessarily inconclusive.”

        Sour grapes nonsense. No, it wasn’t the MSM declaring anything but it was Arizona Senate President Karen Fann, you know, the Republican who paved the way for the so-called “full forensic audit” of 2.1 million ballots in Maricopa County, said the review’s overall vote tally matched the initial results in November.

        “Truth is truth, numbers are numbers,” Fann said at a Senate hearing on the review, which found only small variations, yielding 99 additional votes for Biden and 261 fewer votes for Trump. “Those numbers were close, within a few hundred.”

        https://www.reuters.com/world/us/arizona-republicans-release-findings-widely-panned-election-audit-2021-09-24/

        Are you really suggesting that the woman who initiated the audit would falsely state it showed no irregularities of any significance? If so you are away with the fairies

        After all the hype and failed law suits and claims by the Right that Trump would be returned and the ludicrous stupidity of Rudi Guiliani and Sidney Powell Trump has been proven to be a loser in Arizona and will probably be proven to be a lloser in other states too.

        This is what Doug Logan had to say.”The ballots that were provided to us to count in the coliseum very accurately correlate with the official canvass numbers,” Cyber Ninjas CEO Doug Logan said during the presentation. He noted that the hand recount found President Joe Biden gaining 99 votes in Maricopa County and former President Donald Trump losing 261 votes — which he called “very small discrepancies.

        “https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/24/politics/arizona-election-review-results/index.html

        Do you really believe he was falsely claiming Biden gained votes and Trump lost votes?

        These results show just how unscrupulously Trump behaved after the election and how he should never ever be allowed to stand for office. They also show just how gullible were right wing sites and their readers that strongly supported Trump’s claims of electoral fraud. They certainly do have egg on their face

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      yarpos

      Just the lamestream media trying a bit of premptive astroturfing. The truth will still emerge as it has been today.

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      OriginalSteve

      Tilba, you come up with some hilarious stuff sometimes.

      AZ is going to decertify.

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    OldOzzie

    Details Source PDF Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis study

    Margolin et al., Journal of Evidence-Based Integrative Medicine, doi:10.1177/2515690X211026193 (Peer Reviewed)

    20-Week Study of Clinical Outcomes of Over-the-Counter COVID-19 Prophylaxis and Treatment

    Retrospective 113 outpatients, 53 (patient choice) treated with zinc, quercetin, vitamin C/D/E, l-lysine, and Quina, showing lower cases with treatment.

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      OldOzzie

      Abstract

      Objectives and Setting. As the lethal COVID-19 pandemic enters its second year, the need for effective modalities of alleviation remains urgent. This includes modalities that can readily be used by the public to reduce disease spread and severity. Suchpreventive measures and early-stage treatments may temper the immediacy of demand for advanced anti-COVID measures
      (drugs, antibodies, vaccines) and help relieve strain also on other health system resources.
      Design and Participants. We present results of a clinical study with a multi-component OTC “core formulation” regimen used in a multiply exposed adult population. Analysis of clinical outcome data from our sample of over 100 subjects comprised of roughly equal sized regimen-compliant(test) and non-compliant (control) groups meeting equivalent inclusion criteria demonstrates a strong statistical significance in favor of use of the core formulations. Results. While both groups were moderate in size, the difference between them in outcomes over the 20-week study period was large and stark: Just under 4% of the compliant test group presented flu-like symptoms, but none of the test group was COVID-positive; whereas 20% of the non-compliant control group presented flu-like symptoms,
      three-quarters of whom (15% overall of the control group) were COVID-positive. Conclusions. Offering a low cost, readily
      implemented anti-viral approach, the study regimen may serve, at the least, as a stopgap modality and, perhaps, as a useful tool in
      combatting the pandemic.

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        OldOzzie

        Benefit of vaccination

        The primary benefit of vaccination is protection against illness from COVID-19, and protection against
        severe illness and death. It is currently unclear to what extent COVID-19 vaccines prevent asymptomatic
        infection or transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from a vaccinated person to others and in the population. This
        may also vary between different vaccines.
        Even after completing vaccination, all people must
        continue to practice public health measures to reduce their personal risk of infection with SARS-
        CoV-2 and of passing the virus to others, such as physical distancing, hand washing, wearing a
        face mask, COVID-19 testing and quarantine or isolation as required. As population-level immunity
        to the virus increases over time following widespread uptake of vaccination, these public health
        measures may be able to be eased, but only as advised by the local public health authorities.

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    David Maddison

    In more advanced countries than Australia such as India, they promote home Ivermectin kits.

    Dr John Campbell talks about this but bear in mind he has to constantly self-censor to stay on Leftist YouTube (since the Left are terrified of alternative opinions).

    https://youtu.be/eO9cjy3Rydc

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    Lance

    “Fracking could have saved us from this energy crisis. The UK has vast gas reserves that we are refusing to exploit.”
    “…estimates of UK shale-gas reserves range from 2.8 to 39.9 trillion cubic metres (tcm)”
    “…if just 10 per cent of known reserves could be extracted, it would provide the equivalent of the UK’s total gas needs for 51 years. ”

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/09/23/fracking-could-have-saved-us-from-this-energy-crisis

    UK is sitting on the solution to their energy crisis, but lack the will to take effective action.
    The coming winter will become a political nightmare for UK because of an unreliable grid. Watch and see.

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      David Maddison

      Great news.

      A massive self-imposed energy crisis will force the Sheeple of Once Great Britain to decide whether they want to continue to be a part of Western Civilisation or not.

      Fracking is also banned in Vicdanistan, no doubt on instructions from the Chicomms.

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    David Maddison

    Australians used to be among the most genuinely educated people in the world but now the products of the “schools” and “universities” seem mostly ignorant, stupid, lack general or historical knowledge and lack analytical ability.

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      Lance

      That many people have become so enamored of fantasy instead of reality is not peculiar to AU.

      To counter that devolution, may I suggest some writings that help to explain things?

      All by Thomas Sowell:

      The Vision of the Anointed: Self-Congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy“: “One of the sad signs of our times is that we have demonized those who produce, subsidized those who refuse to produce, and canonized those who complain.”

      The Quest for Cosmic Justice : “A society that puts equality—in the sense of equality of outcome—ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom. The use of force to achieve equality will destroy freedom, and the force, introduced for good purposes, will end up in the hands of people who use it to promote their own interests.”

      https://www.pdfread.net/dl/viewer.html?file=https://pdf.pdfread.net/titleauthor/The%20Quest%20for%20Cosmic%20Justice%20By%20Thomas%20Sowell-pdfread.net.pdf

      Knowledge and Decisions
      : “The problem isn’t that Johnny can’t read. The problem isn’t even that Johnny can’t think. The problem is that Johnny doesn’t know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling.”

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      PeterS

      Imagine another 20 years of indoctrination, lies and deception from schools, MSM and governments! If things don’t turn around before then it’s very likely it will be better to move to Russia depending on how things of their, and I’m not joking.

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      Serp

      The child of mine from the 1970’s received an education comparable to what I had but the one from the 1990’s was obliged to truncate the Arts partt of a Law/Arts degree because the quality of the offered subjects is so comprehensively worthless.

      I don’t have offspring from the 2010’s but I don’t need one to know that for the last decade no education whatsoever is being delivered in our schools which are nowadays lionising XR and encouraging kids to follow the example set by Greta Thunberg. Arithmetic is white oppression and soon enough reasons will likely be found to stop teaching the alphabet which will save having to organise the burning of books in this new Dark Age we have entered.

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    RightOverLabour

    Australians must be so proud of their police… https://twitter.com/jimmy_jeans?lang=en

    Just scroll down to see Australia’s finest…. Disgusted.

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    RickWill

    The infection rate for Covid across the globe has averaged 0.95 for the past three weeks while mobility has been only a few percent below the pre-Covid level:
    https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=Global&show=-25&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=merged&xaxis=right#countries

    The daily cases globally should below 250k within two months if this rate is maintained.

    The USA has now managed to get the infection rate firmly below 1 with near normal mobility:
    https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=United%20States&show=-25&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=merged&xaxis=right#countries

    The best example of getting the infection rate under 1 in the USA is Florida. Their daily cases are now in rapid decline, down from 22k four weeks ago to 8k this week:
    https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states&highlight=Florida&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=merged&xaxis=right#states

    Israel also appears to be steadily reducing daily cases after their holiday season:
    https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=Israel&show=-25&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=merged&xaxis=right#countries

    UK is not quite there with only 67% of the population fully vaccinated and close to full mobility, they are slowly building natural immunity to get the infection rate under 1:
    https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=United%20Kingdom&show=-25&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=merged&xaxis=right#countries

    The anti-vaxxers are certainly a dying breed in the UK. In the first 6 months of 2021, 37.4% of all deaths were unvaccinated Covid victims. The death rate for fully vaccinated people was 0.8%. Stating that the vaccinations provide a significant benefit in the survival rate is an understatement:
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand2july2021#deaths-involving-covid-19-by-vaccination-status

    Australia has 40% fully vaccinated so a long way yet for the country to get to the magic 80% needed for herd immunity:
    https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=Australia&show=10-lg&y=both&scale=linear&data=vaccineFully&data-source=merged&xaxis=right#countries-normalized

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      Peter C

      What is Florida doing right?

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        RickWill

        Peter
        Not sure if Floridians are doing it right but it is where they are. The factors that have got them to where they are.
        1. Deaths total 71k so around 7M with natural immunity or say 30% of the population.
        2. There has been a gradual uptick in vaccinations to now 66% first jab and 56% fully vaccinated:
        https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/florida?view=vaccinations&tab=trend
        3. Mobility has been on a slight downward trend since initial easing – now 18% below pre-Covid:
        https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/florida?view=social-distancing&tab=trend

        All factors combined have got the infection rate well under 1. I expect more than 80% of the population are carrying anti-bodies. Florida has about 21M so smaller than Australia but already has 71k deaths. There are two ways to get immunity – natural or vaccinated. Natural comes at a high price in terms of human life.

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          Peter C

          Thanks Rick,

          Vaccination rates in Australia are now similar to Florida.
          We should now soon come to the point where the rate of new cases in Australia will decrease naturally. I hope so. The sooner the better.

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            RickWill

            Australia has acquired near zero natural immunity. ALL the heavy lifting in Australia will need to be done by vaccination or there will be a high cost in unvaccinated clogging up hospitals while they acquire natural immunity or depart life.

            No location has achieved an infection rate under 1 with the delta strain with less than 80% of the population carrying anti-bodies. That includes all the children. That means something like 85% of over 12yo to be fully vaccinated before mobility can approach normal level.

            NSW has around 70% of their population with one jab; still low mobility and are just holding case numbers. NSW needs a lot more vaccinations before they can restore any reasonable mobility without hospitalisations skyrocketing.

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      The land is primed for flooding after reasonable rain in the last year.

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        Peter C

        Yes it is.
        But el gordo neglects one important thing. Flooding rains generally follow droughts.

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          el+gordo

          This is a back to back La Nina, not unusual but the second is usually weaker. Indications are that it should produce flooding on the eastern half of the continent, similar to the 1950s.

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    RossP

    This a really interesting and well researched paper on Covid covering both the medical science (in an extremely detailed way) and a background on the ‘bad guys’. It is 41 page doc but 27 pages are references.

    Tweeted out by Dr Malone, so it is worth reading.

    https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1441418989767323653?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1441418989767323653%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheconservativetreehouse.com%2Fblog%2F2021%2F09%2F24%2Fpolitical-appointee-cdc-director-rochelle-walensky-overrides-fda-vaccine-advisory-committee-and-authorizes-pfizer-booster-shots%2F

    “COVID-19 is not a viral pneumonia. It is a viral vascular endotheliitis and attacks the lining of blood vessels, particularly the small pulmonary alveolar capillaries, leading to endothelial cell activation and sloughing, coagulopathy, sepsis, pulmonary edema, and ARDS-like symptoms. This is a disease of the blood and blood vessels. The circulatory system. Any pneumonia that it causes is secondary to that.”

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    Ross+Holding

    The US state of Florida has just appointed a new surgeon general. Dr Lapado. I would assume SG is the equivalent of the Australian CHO’s. I just watched an abridged version of his appointment speech. Do yourself a favour today and see if you can find it on the web. It could possibly be censored by big tech soon. In the last 18 months I have not seen such a well balanced , measured speech on public health / COVID policies. But, don’t let me spoil it. Have a look for yourself.

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    RightOverLabour

    Looks like the good cops are all going to be ex cops…. https://vimeo.com/612584943

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    Brenda Spence

    https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/launch-with-publication-of-at-home-treatment-guide/

    The new World Council for Health has launched itself with a comprehensive download for treatment at home.

    “There are many things that people can do to stay healthy,” says Dr. Tess Lawrie, UK who is part of the steering group for the World Council for Health. She adds, “The World Council for Health will give you the best and latest expert guidance to prevent and manage Covid-19 safely at home. By providing people with the information they need and desire to take charge of their health, the World Council for Health intends to drive out the prevailing climate of uncertainty and fear.”

    Quote
    The covid treatment guide is the first of many in an ambitious plan to produce regular and authoritative guides covering a myriad of health topics. These will be easily accessible in their new website just launched.

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    RightOverLabour

    More to be used in evidence against the police…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ab1poPvkVg&ab_channel=AussieCossack

    Some are going to have a hard time explaining their actions….

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    John Connor II

    This Deep Dive exposes why, from day one, the promise of COVID-Zero can only ever have been a deliberately dishonest shell game designed to prey on a lack of public understanding of how our immune systems work and on how most respiratory viruses differ from other viruses that we routinely vaccinate against. We have been sold a fantasy designed to rope us into a pharmaceutical dependency as a deceitful trade-off for access to our lives. Variant by variant. For as long as the public is willing to go along for the ride.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/immunity-service-snake-oil-salesmen-covid-zero-con

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      OldOzzie

      If a plumber with a lifetime of experience were to tell you that water runs uphill, you would know he is lying and that the lie is not accidental. It is a lie with a purpose. If you can also demonstrate that the plumber knows in advance that the product he is promoting with that lie is snake oil, you have evidence for a deliberate con. And once you understand what’s really inside that bottle of snake oil, you will begin to understand the purpose of the con.

      One of the most common reasons given for mass COVID vaccinations is the idea that if we reach herd immunity through vaccination, we can starve the virus out of existence and get our lives back. It’s the COVID-Zero strategy or some variant of it.

      By now it is abundantly clear from the epidemiological data that the vaccinated are able to both catch and spread the disease.

      Clearly vaccination isn’t going to make this virus disappear. Only a mind that has lost its grasp on reality can fail to see how ridiculous all this has become.

      But a tour through pre-COVID science demonstrates that, from day one, long before you and I had even heard of this virus, it was 100% inevitable and 100% predictable that these vaccines would never be capable of eradicating this coronavirus and would never lead to any kind of lasting herd immunity. Even worse, lockdowns and mass vaccination have created a dangerous set of circumstances that interferes with our immune system’s ability to protect us against other respiratory viruses. They also risk driving the evolution of this virus towards mutations that are more dangerous to both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated alike. Lockdowns, mass vaccinations, and mass booster shots were never capable of delivering on any of the promises that were made to the public.

      And yet, vaccination has been successfully used to control measles and even to eradicate smallpox. So, why not COVID? Immunity is immunity, and a virus is a virus is a virus, right? Wrong! Reality is far more complicated… and more interesting.

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        Hanrahan

        If a plumber with a lifetime of experience were to tell you that water runs uphill…….. you’d know he has a gov.job.

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        Tilba+Tilba

        Clearly vaccination isn’t going to make this virus disappear. Only a mind that has lost its grasp on reality can fail to see how ridiculous all this has become.

        A combination of high vaccination rates plus natural or acquired immunity could well make the virus disappear, since the vaccinated are less likely to contract the disease and re-transmit. Herd immunity is the objective.

        And further, high rates of vaccination will mean less serious cases and fewer deaths. Almost all deaths these days are among the unvaccinated and/or the seriously unwell.

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          But unless the second generation vaccines gives sterilizing immunity the vaccines don’t help wipe out the virus. And since Big Pharma won’t profit from Zero Covid, why would they develop a vaccine that did that?

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    David Maddison

    Why is it not even a subject of discussion that zinc deficiency correlates with worse outcomes with COVID?

    Why are people ridiculed if they even suggest this? Or even called that favourite ad hominem of the Left, a “conspiracy theorist”.

    Similarly for Vitamin D. Vitamin D has already been discussed on this blog. What better way to improve serum Vitamin D levels than by locking them inside heh?

    Do people not understand how to do science or medicine any more?

    At the very least everyone in the population should be supplementing with zinc and Vitamin D since deficiencies of both are common, especially in susceptible groups like the elderly and obese.

    I know informed people know about zinc (and Vit D) and both are in the Zelenko and ivermectin protocols but it should be common knowledge and supplementation should be common practice.

    But I guess the Left want us to stick only with “cures” from their beloved Big Pharma.

    This paper is from November 2020.

    Highlights

    -Patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) had significantly low zinc levels in comparison to healthy controls.

    -Zinc deficient patients developed more complications (70.4% vs 30.0%, p = 0.009).

    -Zinc deficient COVID-19 patients had a prolonged hospital stay (7.9 vs 5.7 days, p = 0.048).

    -In vitro studies have shown that reduced zinc levels favour the interaction of angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) spike protein and likewise that increased zinc levels inhibit ACE2 expression resulting in reduced viral interaction.

    Results

    COVID-19 patients (n = 47) showed significantly lower zinc levels when compared to healthy controls (n = 45): median 74.5 (interquartile range 53.4–94.6) μg/dl vs 105.8 (interquartile range 95.65–120.90) μg/dl (p < 0.001). Amongst the COVID-19 patients, 27 (57.4%) were found to be zinc deficient. These patients were found to have higher rates of complications (p = 0.009), acute respiratory distress syndrome (18.5% vs 0%, p = 0.06), corticosteroid therapy (p = 0.02), prolonged hospital stay (p = 0.05), and increased mortality (18.5% vs 0%, p = 0.06). The odds ratio (OR) of developing complications was 5.54 for zinc deficient COVID-19 patients.

    Conclusions

    The study data clearly show that a significant number of COVID-19 patients were zinc deficient. These zinc deficient patients developed more complications, and the deficiency was associated with a prolonged hospital stay and increased mortality.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S120197122030730X

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      Vicki

      Well done, David. Important for everyone to understand the importance of Zinc in immune response. But it needs to be able to enter the cells, & this is where the bioflavonoids like Quercetin have a vital role.

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    Mark+Allinson

    These vitally important vitamins and minerals that moderate the disease would ONLY be discussed by government medical authorities if the primary concern was for the health of the people.

    Yes, Big Pharma dollars are a big factor, but much more so “The Great Reset”, whereby we return to a feudal system as the serfs.

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      Tilba+Tilba

      Yes, Big Pharma dollars are a big factor, but much more so “The Great Reset”, whereby we return to a feudal system as the serfs.

      My goodness, “The Great Reset” has popped up again – it won’t die!

      It is a nonsense – a string of not very insightful techno-fetish wish-lists for the next decade, with a sprinkling of wokey and climate changey salt on top. Capitalism with a human face, as a bunch of European aristocrats and various rag-tag billionaires envision the world. Pay it no heed – it’s all undergraduate apple sauce.

      Th reality is how capitalism survives another 20 years, with financial crises, the destruction of wages, and very real resource limits. Peak oil hasn’t gone away either.

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        clarence.t

        Peak oil… happens…

        When you stop oil pipelines,

        When you close down oil leases,

        When you close down oil exploration,

        Reality is, that there is plenty of oil down there for a very long time.

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        robert rosicka

        So peak oil is real and the great reset is fake news ! Got it thanks Tilba but what about all the oil under the Arctic and the Antarctic and the Great Barrier Reef ? That should be enough to keep us going until we are driving flying cars .

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    Vicki

    Mark Latham is reporting on his Twitter account that, after making a joke with a mate on Twitter, he found two policemen at the door of his home making inquiries!

    I sometimes think I will awake & find this is all just a bad dream.

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      Philip

      Australia is 5 years behind the UK on most things. This was happening in the UK 5 yrs ago, Scotland being the worst. We are headed toward a politicized police force.

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        Serp

        Victoria’s Special Branch was wound up over forty years ago ending for all time, we were told, the covert surveillance which is again being exploited by the corrupt administration so ably led by our incumbent premier.

        In respect of blatant corruption nothing’s been done since the Beach Report of the mid 1970s which cleaned up the police racketeering in the abortion industry.

        It’s been obvious for twenty years, with for example the periodic gaoling of senior drug squad officers, that Victoria’s police need a detox but no political party is prepared to address the problem and so it goes on festering.

        If only we had a free press and courageous individuals the like of Bertram Wainer to feed it.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Siliggy you are cherry picking scripture and misapplying it to a different Biblical time.
    Cherry picking passages from the Old Testament Law, as in Levitical law commanded to Israel by Moses was for a different dispensation or stewardship of God’s people. The Bible clearly states we’re not under the Mosaic Law today: Hebrews 9:10, NLT, says: “For that old system deals only with food and drink and various cleansing ceremonies–physical regulations that were in effect only until a better system could be established”. Siliggy, these laws have no application to the modern, better hygiene situations of today. As to mask wearing, many scientific studies show that masks are largely unfit for the purpose of stopping aerosolized respiratory viral particles. In which case it could be postulated that mask wearing mandates relate to the theatre of the absurd or perhaps mandatory virtue signalling. A bible scholar might even conclude that mandatory mask wearing is an futile re-application of archaic Levitical law to modern times.

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    another ian

    More observed from outside

    “Aussie Aussie Aussie Cray Cray Cray”

    “Alex Berenson has an hilarious article illustrating the insanity that is now Australia:”

    Link at

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/09/25/aussie-aussie-cray-cray/

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    John Connor II

    FDA PANEL DISCUSSION: “COVID Vaccines Are Killing More People Than They’re Saving”

    https://gellerreport.com/2021/09/vaccine-kills-more-than-saves.html/
    Note: This is a 1.8GB, 8 HOUR video.

    The Testimonies Project was created to provide a platform for all those who were affected after getting the covid-19 vaccines, and to make sure their voices are heard, since they are not heard in the Israeli media.
    We hope this project will encourage more and more people to tell their story. to view all the testimonies:
    https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/

    https://rumble.com/vmpbh3-38132823.html

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    RickWill

    It is interesting to put yourself in the role of a health care worker in a hospital when an unvaccinated person presents with Covid. Clearly these individuals have made a choice. They have probably taken their medical advice from the web rather than a medical professional.

    Hospitals continually make triage decisions. I am not the first person to think about how hospital staff should priorities treatment of Covid victims:
    https://www.galvnews.com/opinion/editorials/free/article_218a58d6-9417-5731-ae60-c1010b819393.html

    People have a right to reject vaccination against COVID-19; no question.

    The question is how much responsibility does society have to prioritize health care for people who’ve made that risky personal decision.

    That question will become more and more relevant if more and more people become seriously ill and demand more and more of limited health services.

    Australia has made triage decisions based on the ability of Covid victims to handle intrusive procedures. No triage decision has been made on the basis of limited resources. As Australia opens up, the unvaccinated will present in increasing numbers at hospitals. There is a good chance that resources will be stretched. The question is – should triage be based on the probability of surviving or on your personal choice not to get vaccinated?

    The USA is coming out the other side now but excess Covid deaths in 2021 now tallies 600k and some States far worse than others. Some hospitals have suffered staff shortages:
    https://www.npr.org/2021/08/10/1026577164/hospitals-face-a-shortage-of-nurses-as-covid-cases-soar

    The rapidly escalating surge in COVID-19 infections across the U.S. has caused a shortage of nurses and other front-line staff in virus hot spots that can no longer keep up with the flood of unvaccinated patients and are losing workers to burnout and lucrative out-of-state temporary gigs.

    Florida, Louisiana, Arkansas and Oregon all have more people hospitalized with COVID-19 than at any other point in the pandemic, and nursing staffs are badly strained.

    Australia is just starting its journey out of State isolation and lockdowns.

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      Hanrahan

      I hope you or a loved one is not obese Rick.

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      Hanrahan

      Maybe vegetarians should be left in the corridors too. THEY made the deliberate choice not to eat meat thus depriving themselves of zinc.

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      David Maddison

      How about not treating the obese, motorcycle riders (high risk of accidents), people who play dangerous sports, people who don’t take necessary micronutrients like zinc and vitamin D etc?

      And is the hospital system really stressed or is that just propaganda?

      And if you’re not going to treat certain people, let them treat themselves or let knowledgeable doctors treat them with appropriate HCQ and Ivermectin protocols etc..

      Don’t refuse treatment for the unvaxxed but deny the unvaxxed access to outpatient medications.

      In fact, you are probably more likely to die in hospital where Ivermectin is not allowed to be used than out of hospital if you managed to get some IVM.

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      another ian

      Rick

      Your comment saved for particularly that last line

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      The Swedish health care system is based on the health of the individuum, not the heralth of the society. It’s a good decision.
      If someone will be “vaxxed” it’s for him self, not for others. Same right for those that don’t want these “vaxxs”.

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    yarpos

    Triage is about priorities not denial because the person offends you.

    Triage is an issue when resources are maxed out, we are nowhere near that despite endless overwhelming tipping point hysteria.

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    David Maddison

    A recent edition of Awaken with JP. Very good!

    https://youtu.be/fe_QVzx2zaI

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    David Maddison

    If lockdowns work why are cases still increasing (mostly from specific areas) in Vicdanistan and NSW?

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      Tilba+Tilba

      Without lockdowns we might be having 8,000 cases a day, instead of 800. Hospitals – especially resource-intensive critical care / ICU beds – would be overwhelmed. That is the point of lockdowns.

      It is a serious respiratory disease, and one that is incredibly virulent and infectious. What is your alternative to lockdowns and border closures prior to 80% full vaccination and herd immunity?

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        MP

        might, may, possibly, could. But lets go with.
        Hey here is a clue. We done it your way for 560 days and we are in a worse position. Time we all stoped listening to your lot of self professed “experts” at FA.
        How’s about the .3% who are afraid of their imagination, mask up, hide under your bed, get the 40th booster, your doing it anyway and those that don’t have your vivid imagination, believe you lot are a pack of clueless tossers, making s#it up as you go along, get on with living.

        Sorry to bring logic into the debate.

        Hey at stand in the park today, nurses want us to protest with them Friday as they have been put on indefinite unpaid leave. They stated that 60% of nursing staff on the Gold Coast will not get the vaxxine, good luck getting a bed if you need it. You fear porners should be able to play that to your advantage, stacking the deck being all your education is good for.

        How many of your friends got sick from the worst pandemic in the history of mankind, cause I got a big zero, your friends, not friends of friends.

        Sorry, I assumed you have friends.

        Wonder what they know about safe and effective, a month ago hero now zero.

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    Hanrahan

    I spent a few winters in the south when Melbourne dominated AFL under Ron Barassi.

    It’s been a long time between drinks so for nostalgia’s sake I wish them well.

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      Tilba+Tilba

      They had a 3rd Quarter that blew Footscray out of the water, and then powered on in the 4th. Even as a solid Bulldogs supporter, I didn’t mind Melbourne being the winners.

      I’m just grateful it wasn’t West Coast, Geelong, Hawthorn, or Collingwood.

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        Grogery

        A solid bulldogs supporter would never say they didn’t mind the opposition winning the grand final

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          Tilba+Tilba

          A solid bulldogs supporter would never say they didn’t mind the opposition winning the grand final

          Very true … as a Sydney boy who believes Rugby League is The Greatest Game Of All, I suppose I’m really only just a half-hearted, soggy sort of Bulldogs supporter.

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    Brenda Spence

    https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/22/30-facts-you-need-to-know-your-covid-cribsheet/#i

    Your covid cribsheet

    PART I: “COVID DEATHS” & MORTALITY

    1. The survival rate of “Covid” is over 99%.
    2 There has been NO unusual excess mortality.
    3“Covid death” counts are artificially inflated.
    4 The vast majority of covid deaths have serious comorbidities.
    5 Average age of “Covid death” 82.5 is greater than the average life expectancy 81.
    6. Covid mortality exactly mirrors the natural mortality curve.
    7. There has been a massive increase in the use of “unlawful” DNRs
    PART II: LOCKDOWNS
    8. Lockdowns do not prevent the spread of disease.
    9. Lockdowns kill people and are deadlier than the “virus”
    10. Hospitals were never unusually over-burdened.
    PART III: PCR TESTS
    11. PCR tests were not designed to diagnose illness.
    12. PCR Tests have a history of being inaccurate and unreliable.
    13. The CT values of the PCR tests are too high “cycle threshold”
    14. The World Health Organization (Twice) Admitted PCR tests produced false positives.
    15. The scientific basis for Covid tests is questionable.
    PART IV: “ASYMPTOMATIC INFECTION”
    16. The majority of Covid infections are “asymptomatic”.
    17. There is very little evidence supporting the alleged danger of “asymptomatic transmission”.
    PART V: VENTILATORS
    18. Ventilation is NOT a treatment for respiratory viruses.
    PART VI: MASKS
    20. scientific studies have shown that Masks don’t work.
    21. Masks are bad for your health.
    Masks are bad for the planet. Millions upon millions of disposable masks have been used
    PART VII: VACCINES
    23. Covid “vaccines” are totally unprecedented.
    24. Vaccines do not confer immunity or prevent transmission.
    25. The vaccines were rushed and have unknown longterm effects
    26. Vaccine manufacturers have been granted legal indemnity should they cause harm.
    PART VIII: DECEPTION & FOREKNOWLEDGE
    27. The EU was preparing “vaccine passports” at least a YEAR before the pandemic began.
    28. A “training exercise” predicted the pandemic just weeks before it started. In October 2019
    29. Since the beginning of 2020, the Flu has “disappeared”.
    30 The elites have made fortunes during the pandemic.. Forbes reported that 40 new billionaires have been created.

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    l have in the past mentioned the “strong cities initiative” and am wondering if this is part of it?

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=115792247506661&set=p.115792247506661&type=3

    Vicdanistans privatised police,

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    Hanrahan

    OK So I’m 50, play golf most weeks and mow the lawn every weekend and only see the doc when my wife nags me. I go to the supermarket and a rona +ve person breaths out while I’m breathing in while passing, I get a low dose of the virus. I never know I was infected.

    The question is: Do I now have natural immunity? The sceptic in me says: More than the scaremongers would have me believe.

    Am I wrong?

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      John+R+Smith

      Interesting that natural immunity (the best kind), does not release you from mandatory vax.
      Possible clue that ‘immunity’ for the benefit of the population is not the true purpose.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      G’day H,
      I can’t answer your question with any scientific knowledge, but would describe the sceptic in you more as the optimist, with whom I agree, in hope.
      May it prove true.
      Cheers
      Dave B

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      you already have natural immunity
      but to answer your question and l am not a doctor so l am repeating what experts have said, yes you would have antibodies now after having the virus that would help protect you better than anything else
      as l said though, there have been papers done apparently on this that prove you already have the antibodies needed to fight the virus
      it is not the virus that wants to kill you its when you have comorbidities and l am saying more than one comorbidity you may be in trouble,
      apparently
      best thing to do is keep your immune system healthy

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    Vlad the Impaler

    Greetings to you and yours, Hanrahan:

    It is entirely possible you have a ‘natural’ or ‘stronger’ immune response than most. If memory serves, you’ve been an advocate of the Vitamin D/zinc/quercetin/or others protocol, so if you’ve been in contact with someone who is positive, and did not develop symptoms or full-blown “bug”, then you very likely have an immune response that is overwhelming anything the ‘bug’ might try to do.

    True story: I relented to my Nurse Practitioner daughter (who, at the moment, is working in an on-line environment to obtain a Ph. D. in Nursing, thereby making her eligible to teach Nursing in a University/Hospital environment) and did the jab, back in April. That was when the Transient Ischemic Attacks began (four in total), which my Primary Care Physician tied directly to the vaccine. I’m now on a 325 mg per day aspirin, and going into 14 weeks since the last T.I.A.

    Whether I will have to stay on the aspirin protocol the rest of my life is an open question at present.

    OK, all that to say: we know the ‘vaccines’ do not really do any protection of the injectee from the ‘bug’. This past summer (N. Hemisphere) one of my two granddaughters came up with full-blown “bug” (sidebar: my wife and I are raising our four grandchildren; they live with us 24/7/365, and their mom, our daughter, the soon-to-be Ph. D., helps out financially and other ways while we raise them). So, the granddaughter would have had the infection before she showed symptoms, and then obviously we were in close contact during convalescence.

    Neither my wife or I have even come up with a sniffle, having been on the Vit D/zinc, with occasional Vit C, for almost 18 months, ever since I learned about it from Jo’s wonderful website. Anytime I did come up with any sniffle, I popped extra D, and extra zinc, and usually downed a litre or so of Great Value (WalMart brand) tonic water, which says right on the outside that it has quinine.

    No, I left the gin out of the tonic water. My wife does not do the tonic water; I’m just trying to cover every base. Oh, and as a sidebar to all that, this past winter, here in Wyoming, I had my first ever winter that I did not have ANY colds (you know, the garden-variety common cold). My usual is to have three, and sometimes four colds in a season, but last winter, ZIP ZERO NADA NICHTS and NOT EVEN!!!!!

    I’m staying on the protocol, even if the ‘bug’ manages to exit the scene.

    Moral of the story: your protocol is likely doing more than any ‘vaccine’ ever thought of doing. Consider that if you get exposed, and your immune response kicks in, aided and abetted by the protocol, you’ve likely achieved a level of immunity the ‘vaccines’ can only dream of.

    One man’s thoughts; my Regards to all, and especially Jo, the Mods, and the great people here who turned me on to the best protection from ‘bug-ism’ ever,

    Vlad

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      Great story, Vlad. Awful about the ischemic episodes but great to hear the vitamin protocol has had such a great effect.

      My husband & I are the same. We started a healthy eating regime in 2020 when the virus first appeared globally. Every morning we have a vitamised drink of blueberries/apples/ carrot/ banana/strawberries & orange juice & mint for flavour.

      When the virus finally arrived seriously in Oz I added the vitamin protocol of Zinc/ Vits D, C & flavonoids. I have the hard to get Quercetin in reserve in case of positive Covid encounter.

      The moral of the story is that we have never felt so healthy. No colds ( admittedly we have rarely had the flu, ever) or other ailments. Like you, we intend to stay on this regime. It just makes a lot of sense.

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    PeterS

    More and more countries are relaxing all their restrictions and giving up on coercing their people the be vaccinated. Their vaccination rates range from around 20% to 50%. Yet here we are in Australia with mandates to vaccinate 80% or more of the population. A few of the extreme element of the politicians want near 100%. This nation is sick alright but it’s not from any virus.

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      Vicki

      One of the significant effects of this vendetta against the unvaccinated, for me, is the understanding of what it feels like to be marginalised in society. It is heartbreaking & somewhat frightening, although I am not normally a fearful person. But to feel like a leper, a person to be shunned, is an awful experience.

      There are many things I will take away from this dreadful time. This is one of them & I hope it will make me a better and more sympathetic person. It has also made me more critically aware of the techniques of control and coercion that authorities and governments will probably use in the future – since they have been so successful in respect to their politicisation of this virus. The Climate Change fiasco should have been a warning – though the personal nature of this crisis has made the effects on the individual more immediate.

      ,

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    RightOverLabour

    Evidently it’s our fault. There is another term for unvaxxed – “Untermensch” https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/heather-du-plessis-allan-were-being-held-hostage-by-the-unvaccinated/CN6VSS2U4QBECUGLOUG57R53AY/

    Probably the same in OZ

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      PeterS

      So why don’t they say the same thing about those who won’t get the flu and other shots? Of course the reason is it has noting to do with the OOVID-19 virus let alone any virus. It’s all about resetting the West and eventually the whole world to become some communist or fascist new world order.

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      PeterS

      So why don’t they say the same thing about those who won’t get the flu and other sh0ts? Of course the reason is it has noting to do with the OOVID-19 virus let alone any virus. It’s all about resetting the West and eventually the whole world to become some c0mmunist or fasc1st new w0rld 0rder.

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      Brenda Spence

      The only ones holding people hostage is the govt! They were the ones who instituted lockdowns.

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    David+Wojick

    Here is a good measure of the extreme alarmism of MSM:

    https://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2021/09/23/late-night-freakout-hosts-preach-climate-hysteria-and-radical

    Truly wild. I still cannot figure out how this catastrophe is suppose to happen?

    Note they use the standard language that hitting 1.5 degrees avoids “the worst” of climate change. 5 degrees might do that. 1.5 avoids the least, not the worst. A huge semantic trick!

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      PeterS

      That’s only the start. Imagine in say 10 years time what it will be like thanks to the MSM, schools, big business and politicians. I can easily see the vast majority of the people believing in all the BS about climate change. It’s possible though there will be a gradual shift towards nuclear power to “deliver the goods” while at the same time governments and big business gain more and more draconian powers over the people. How is that for a misdirection.

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        el+gordo

        Its their choice, but in my view coal is still king.

        ‘Whitehaven Coal chairman Mark Vaile says demand for high quality thermal coal will continue for “decades” even as the world moves to a net zero carbon position.’ (Oz)

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          El G, do you read what you write? You seem to be saying that because, globally more energy is generated by coal then everyone should use coal. That seems to be the only logical interpretation of that sentence.

          And you wrote this responding to a report of a nuclear power plant in the UK with – wait for it – a comment from an Australian coal producer about the future of coal.

          There are currently 3 active coal-fired power stations operating in the United Kingdom which have a total generating capacity of 4.52GW.

          Nuclear power in the United Kingdom generates 20% of the country’s electricity, as of 2020.[1] The UK has 13 operational nuclear reactors at six locations…

          Nuclear installed capacity peaked at 12.7 GW in 1995, with the opening of Sizewell B – the last nuclear reactor to be opened in the UK

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    OldOzzie

    Peta Credlin: While green execs strike a pose China burns coal

    China’s announcement that it will no longer fund foreign coal plants stands in stark contrast to its plans to build 43 new coal-fired power stations at home, writes Peta Credlin.

    Coal-fired power is said to be on the way out here in Australia, where the media mostly trumpeted this week China’s announcement that it would stop funding other countries’ coal plants.

    But that’s certainly not the case in China itself, which is planning to build 43 new coal-fired power stations and 18 new coal-dependent blast furnaces.

    Climate hypocrisy is exactly what we should expect from the world’s biggest emitter, in the run-up to the Glasgow climate summit.

    The Chinese know they can count on climate credulity from the gullible West, and are hoping to use cosmetic concessions on climate to extract even more strategic gains over places like Taiwan.

    Why are we weakening ourselves economically when our giant strategic challenger has no such climate scruples?

    It doesn’t matter how much countries like Australia (with just over 1 per cent of the global total) reduce our emissions. If China (with 30 per cent) won’t do likewise, our power prices go up and our heavy industries close but the planet is no better off.

    Then there’s the small problem of keeping the lights on when the wind isn’t blowing and the sun isn’t shining, because coal still provides almost 70 per cent of the east coast’s electricity. Last week increasingly renewable-energy-dependent Britain has reportedly faced industry shut downs because of soaring gas prices due to a largely windless September.

    Of course, if we did want to reduce emissions quickly, we’d embrace nuclear power; and if not that, we’d replace existing coal-fired power stations with the latest super-efficient versions that would cut power sector emissions by up to 40 per cent.

    Far from abandoning coal here, because Australian coal is the world’s cleanest, the more we produce and export, the better.

    As things stand, the anti-coal activism from boardrooms down is more about striking a pose than making a difference.

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    another ian

    “Saturday Snippet: How our forefathers coped with everyday life”

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2021/09/saturday-snippet-how-our-forefathers.html

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      OldOzzie

      (1803) PRESERVING BEEF

      A good method of preserving beef, which I have known to be practised for several years past, is as follows: For a barrel of beef of the common size, reduce to powder in a mortar, four quarts of common salt; then eight ounces of salt petre, and five pounds of brown sugar. Let the salt be well rubbed into the pieces, pack them close in the barrel, and sprinkle the salt petre and sugar evenly over each layer. No water at all is to be applied. The juices of the meat, if well packed, will form a sufficient quantity of brine; and the beef will keep sweet and good through the following summer, supposing it killed and packed in the beginning of winter, or late in autumn; and will not be too salt to be palatable.—Draining off the brine and purifying it by boiling and scumming, with the addition of a little salt in the beginning of summer, and returning of the brine upon the meat, will be a real improvement.

      (1806) STARTING VEGETABLES IN WINTER WITH DUNG

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    Neville

    Here’s more on the energy crisis in Europe and gas prices are soaring.
    Of course their TOXIC S&W idiocy are a disaster as more countries are firing up coal plants AGAIN. Ditto the UK, what a surprise.
    And Germany is on a knife edge election and Merkel is trying to get over the line although she’s supposed to be retiring.
    Putin must be having wet dreams about this scenario as he slowly restricts the gas flowing into the EU.

    https://www.thenationalnews.com/business/energy/2021/09/24/europes-energy-crisis-a-switch-back-to-coal-is-on-the-cards/?mc_cid=2e698960d3&mc_eid=dcbe0ef09b

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      Russia is not restricting the flow of gas. Gazprom also has not raised the price of the gas that it does deliver. The high prices are due to the middle man, i.e. the EU distributors. Russia could deliver more gas to the EU (and would be happy to, for the same price, i.e. $220 for 1000 cubic meters of gas) but for a bizarre EU rule, which stipulates that 50% of the gas delivered must come from countries other than Russia. It’s just that in Europe no other country delivers gas. How is that for shooting yourself in the foot?!

      You can read about all of this for yourself in this excellent discourse by T. Roeper: https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2021/wie-der-spiegel-ueber-die-situation-auf-dem-europaeischen-gasmarkt-desinformiert/

      It’s in German, but Google translate does an adequate job.
      Happy reading!

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        OldOzzie

        It is probably not now very well known that
        Balmain, for many years, had its own coal mine.

        The surface works were on the site to the north of Birchgrove Primary School. The mine, at first
        known as the Sydney Harbour Colliery, started operations in 1897 and the last coal was mined in
        1931. The mine was the deepest ever worked in Australia and later produced methane gas, but was
        not a commercial success. It had poor working conditions and suffered several disastrous
        accidents. The property was sold in 1955 and the shafts filled in and sealed two years later.

        A second bore put down in 1892-1893, also at Cremorne, reached a good 10 foot seam at 2900 feet. The
        company, having proved the existence of coal, and with a title to mine under the waters of Sydney
        Harbour, granted in 1878, then looked for a site for its surface workings.

        Forgotten Sydney Gasworks

        Millers Point
        Mortlake
        Parramatta
        Little Manly Point
        Neutral Bay
        Oyster Cove, Waverton

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    another ian

    “Geert Vanden Bossche and Robert Malone MD Discuss COVID-19, Scientific Investigation, the Viral Revolution and Political Media
    September 25, 2021 | Sundance | 51 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/09/25/geert-vanden-bossche-and-robert-malone-md-discuss-covid-19-scientific-investigation-the-viral-revolution-and-political-media/

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      OldOzzie

      Vanden Bossche takes the current Israeli data and shows how the widespread vaccination rate is creating pressure on the virus to mutate into variants with higher levels of contagion. The unvaccinated group has been keeping the pressure down by defeating the virus and carrying natural immunity. However, as the unvaccinated population is increasingly made smaller, the pressure on the virus to mutate increases. Subsequently, these mutations stay at higher or more effective levels of infection. WATCH:

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    OldOzzie

    The Tyrannical Scenes out of Australia Grow Darker and More Disturbing

    What’s going on in Australia may be the most disturbing story of the year. A once, somewhat flourishing democracy has been reduced to a tyrannical medical state in which people are violently abused by government authorities for daring to walk outside. All in the name of fighting COVID-19, of course.

    Unfortunately for those that live Down Under, there is no end in sight, and the scenes are only growing darker.

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    M Allinson

    Recent official data from Israel shows that even after a majority have been triple-vaxxed, infection rates currently are at their highest level since the pandemic began.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPLLdLzept4&t=438s

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      Serp

      Yeah well Australia will plough on into the vaccine morass irrespective of what it could be learning from the Israel experience.

      How many more millions of doses have we committed to so far? I’ve lost track of the idiocy but I’m sure RickWill has a perfectly reasonable set of justifications in explanation of our government’s maladaptive response.

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        Vicki

        Talk about the “tyranny of distance”! You would think that the digital revolution had never happened. The evidence from overseas is SO easily acquired. Yet, our medical bureaucracy ploughs on as though they are inventing the wheel.

        Can only be explained by fact that they are so committed to their vax position that no evidence that puts it in doubt can be allowed.

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          M Allinson

          “Can only be explained by fact that they are so committed to their vax position that no evidence that puts it in doubt can be allowed.”

          In other words, they refuse to practice science.

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    OldOzzie

    Effort to spread discredited Russia collusion theory welcomed by McCain Senate panel, memos show

    Armed Services panel secretly fought court battle this summer to quash subpoena seeking records of contacts with ex-FBI official Daniel Jones and liberal-funded The Democracy Integrity Project nonprofit.

    The efforts to disseminate a now-discredited theory that the Trump campaign had secret computer communications with the Kremlin extended beyond the FBI, CIA, and State Department to the U.S. Senate.

    Under the late Sen. John McCain, the Armed Services Committee engaged a former FBI official and his progressive-funded nonprofit to produce a report on the matter, according to court records obtained by Just the News.

    The Senate committee, now under Democrats’ control, successfully waged a secret federal court battle this summer to quash a subpoena that would have forced one of its staffers, Thomas Kirk McConnell, to turn over documents and testify about his dealings with former FBI analyst Dan Jones and his nonprofit, The Democracy Integrity Project, the records show.

    A spokesman for George Soros confirms the progressive megadonor was one of the financial backers of The Democracy Integrity Project. Tax records show the group raised more than $7 million in donations in 2017 and hired Fusion GPS — the same firm that produced the debunked Steele dossier for Hillary Clinton’s campaign — to pursue allegations of foreign interference in elections.

    The episode, recounted in hundreds of pages of federal and D.C. Superior court records, provides extraordinary insight into how current and former government officials in multiple branches of government were able to sustain a Russia collusion theory on artificial life support for years after the FBI first dispelled it.

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    OldOzzie

    Reuters reports on Norway:

    Norway will reopen society on Saturday, the government said, ending its coronavirus-curbing restrictions, which have limited social interaction and hobbled many businesses.

    The Nordic nation joins a small but growing number of countries, including Denmark and Britain, which have removed all domestic restrictions limiting the spread of the coronavirus.

    “It is 561 days since we introduced the toughest measures in Norway in peacetime … Now the time has come to return to a normal daily life,” Prime Minister Erna Solberg told a news conference. (snip)

    “In short, we can now live as normal,” Solberg said.

    Norway has a high level of vaccination — 76% of Norwegians have had at least one shot, and 67% have had two — and the government encourages its populace to get fully vaxxed.

    But in Croatia, President Zoran Milanović doesn’t buy into the vax frenzy, as Citizen Free Press reports:

    Croatians have been “vaccinated enough” and should be allowed to accept the risks of becoming infected with COVID on their own terms, according to President Zoran Milanović.

    President Milanović broke with the majority of his contemporaries in expressing frustration over medical authoritarianism and COVID hysteria pushed by the mainstream media and globalists.

    “Croatia is ‘not sufficiently vaccinated,’ unlike the E.U. average. We are only at 50 percent,” Milanović said in recent statements to the press. “I don’t care. We’re vaccinated enough and everyone knows it.”

    “We need to know what the goal of this frenzy is. If the goal is to completely eradicate the virus, then we have the goal. I have not heard that this is the goal. If someone tells me it’s a goal, I will tell him he’s out of his mind.”

    “I start every day with CNN and those few channels and I wonder if I am normal or are they crazy,” he said. “They spread panic. They do it from the beginning.”

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      Mark+Allinson

      Given up ALL restrictions!

      Are they MAD?

      Don’t they realise that with no restrictions at all the virus will spread like wildfire and slaughter tens of thousands!

      Oh the humanity!

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    OldOzzie

    I’ve Worked with Refugees for Decades. Europe’s Afghan Crime Wave Is Mind-Boggling.

    July 11, 2017

    Afghans stand out among the refugees committing crimes in Austria and elsewhere. Why?

    Dr. Cheryl Benard was program director of the Initiative for Middle Eastern Youth and the Alternative Strategies Initiative within the RAND Corporation’s National Security Research Division.

    Long but excellent read.

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    OldOzzie

    Covid NSW: Leaked emails show holes in hospital at home system

    Leaked emails from medical staff regarding the Hospital in the Home (HITH) program for Covid-positive patients reveal the system is plagued with confusion and constant changes.

    There have been 29 patients who have died of Covid in the home since June, one in 10 of the total 288 deaths, and half were being treated in the home care system.

    One email, sent on the 22nd of September to staff at a Western Sydney hospital, revealed the frustration with regards to constant changes being made to discharging patients from the in home program.

    “Sorry for yet another HITH email … unfortunately the process is constantly changing!

    Just to clarify, the EMR (electronic medical record) Clearance Discharge has changed, they no longer want us to use the letter template by (name removed), they want us to use the pre-completed document named ‘NBM Covid Clearance’ by (name removed).

    Another sent on September 8 reveals files of patients in HITH have gone missing.

    “If you do any admissions to HITH please allocate them a risk category. This will change how often they are called. Also, due to files going missing, patients requiring an admission will be on a list prepared by the team leader.”

    Every Local Health District has dedicated Covid community care teams who are to provide virtual care and daily clinical and welfare checks for patients at home and HITH and rely on a multidisciplinary workforce of doctors, nurses and allied health staff.

    “The daily clinical checks assess patient condition and there are clear escalation triggers in place for medical reviews and transfer to hospital if needed,” NSW Health said in a statement but one doctor who asked not to be named said the system was “terrifying” and “disorganised”.

    “We are not being told the numbers any more, but we have had a lot of deaths in the home. There’s been issues about who has jurisdiction of care, who can you discharge and the infectious disease department is so overwhelmed they’ve said it has to be someone else’s job,” the doctor said.

    “We are not infectious disease consultants, and we find it very hard to make a decision when the patients need to come into hospital, when they should stay at home or when they should be discharged from HITH,” the doctor said.

    Emails sighted by The Sunday Telegraph show various departments are unclear who is in charge of the system.

    One email sent to staff at the Western Sydney Hospital on the 17th of September said: “It would appear that they are devolving the responsibility to the local health authorities. It still is not clear how this directly affects our involvement. I have included the email I have sent to ID (Infectious Diseases) below for some clarification. For the time being we will continue as we have until ID responds and clarifies what has changed.

    “I just want to be clear on what my people are doing. At the moment we are admitting positive cases, dealing with medical issues, admitting patients to hospital, and discharging them from HITH.

    “If there is a question that people are not isolating or they cannot be contacted do we escalate to you or directly to public health?” the email said and another revealed staff were learning as they go.

    “Please also note that many of the nursing staff working in HITH, like us, are deployed from elsewhere and are learning how the system works as we go.”

    “We worry when they reduce restrictions we are not prepared, we are not even coping with good restrictions now,” the doctor said.

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    OldOzzie

    Amex’s hypocrisy

    American Express last year announced that it finally cracked the Chinese market, going 50-50 with a Chinese firm to process credit-card transactions on the mainland. Amex billed the venture as a corporate milestone even if it will have to collaborate with a regime that crushes dissent and punishes ethnic minorities.

    Amex, of course, isn’t the only big US company conveniently overlooking Chinese oppression to make money in its markets. It may be among the most hypocritical in this pursuit if you believe the great reporting of Christopher Rufo, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a New York-based think tank.

    According to Rufo, amid the firm’s deal-making with Communist China, it was engaging in a series of corporate woke indoctrination sessions that seemed straight out of a George Orwell novel. American Express brought in speakers to teach employees how America is an inherently racist country, dominated by white privilege, with a horrible history, and just a terrible place to live, Rufo reports.

    All this from a company that made $3.1 billion in evil profits last year.

    It takes a certain mind-bending idiocy for any US company — much less one called American Express — to embrace this buffoonery while doing business with one of the most oppressive regimes in the world. I have a call in to the p.r. people at Amex to ask them if their new Chinese employees have to sit through seminars about their country’s oppression.

    Still haven’t heard back.

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    M Allinson

    More evidence for my belief that we are in a world-wide class war:

    “Which side of the velvet rope are you on? Are you one of the cool kids? Were you born on the right side of the tracks? Did your ancestors come over on the Mayflower? Are you on the Forbes 400 list of the richest Americans? And now another question to test your social standing: Do you have a high enough status so that you don’t have to wear a face mask? ”

    Have a look at the photographic evidence on this link.

    One potentially dangerous side-effect of History disappearing from schools is that these “beautiful people” ordering the muffled server-plebs about have likely not studied the events in France around 1789.

    https://tinyurl.com/3zme49a9

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    PeterS

    Looked at an interesting interview covering the future of internet communications to try and overcome any move by governments to one day control the traffic by content, much like what so many social media platforms are already doing with their apps. One approach is the Nym project. Whether such a need arises only time will tell.

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    OldOzzie

    Stupid Liberals, led by Gladys, Strike again in NSW

    Blindsided Gladys Berejiklian fumbles and stutters while trying to answer a ‘simple question’ about unvaccinated residents

    . Premier blindsided by a question about whether unvaxed people can go to pools
    . Journalist ignored her panicked stutter and doubled down on his question
    . Floundered around the question, before a doctor from NSW Health rescued her

    Gladys Berejiklian floundered while trying to answer a question about whether unvaccinated people would be allowed to visit public pools when restrictions lift.

    The NSW premier was announcing 961 new Covid cases on Sunday when she was blindsided by a reporter who asked about outdoor pools.

    She was told of a leaked local council email claiming staff and patrons did not need their Covid jabs to enter a public pool when they reopen on Monday.

    ‘All I know is that NSW Health has provided those guidelines to… the, the, uh… the people managing the public pools,’ she fumbled, before turning to Jeremy McAnulty from the NSW Ministry of Health.

    ‘Jeremy do you have? Do you want to? Is there anything you have? Is there anything you want?’ she asked, looking towards the doctor who stood off-screen.

    The reporter ignored her panicked stuttering and doubled down.

    Do they have to be vaccinated or not?’ he repeated. ‘It’s a simple question.’

    ‘Yeah,’ Ms Berejiklian said quietly, before she gave up and repeated information that had already been announced.

    ‘Obviously, the rules that we stated were at 70 per cent double-dosed – everybody has to be vaccinated,’ she said.

    Unsatisfied with her response, the journalist continued to demand a straight answer.

    ‘But do you need to be vaccinated to go to a public pool tomorrow?’ he asked.

    Ms Berejiklian replied: ‘Look, that was my understanding but if NSW Health has revised that – I’ve not see the email you’re talking about.’

    The reporter made the point that no one needs to be vaccinated to go to the beach or the Dawn Fraser Baths in Balmain, and asked if there would be different rules for indoor and outdoor pools.

    After almost a minute of fruitless attempts at an explanation, Dr McAnulty finally took his mask off and came to her rescue.

    ‘There are a range of other activities that can be done to keep people safe at pools – outdoor pools are outdoor, and by the nature of that there’s a much lower risk of transmission of Covid than indoors.’

    When asked whether vaccine will be mandatory for outdoor pools, Dr McAnulty said the government would make a decision.

    The sum total of the exchange was that parents and anyone else in need of a dip still have no idea if they need to be vaccinated when the pools reopen on Monday.

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      PeterS

      There will be many situations like this. There will have to be one of two options. Enforce vaccine passports and create an apartheid like situation, or scrap the whole distinction between vaccinate an unvaccinated to get on with life. I feel she has painted herself in a corner and will find it hard to go with the second option, but if she doesn’t I suspect there will be resentment by a lot of people the likes we’ve never seen. I dare her to go with the first option – it might very well be her downfall. Same goes with other states. PM Morrison really should pull his finger out and state vaccination passports are illegal but he won’t because he supports them (he calls them certificates of vaccination) and that it’s a state responsibility. PM Morrison if you are reading this (unlikely) whether you realise it or not you are evil.

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      Andrew

      Healthy people banned but jabbed people with covid free to roam and spread the virus. This will end well…

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    here is an interesting talk about Australia from GBnews l thought l’d share

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFTHoNmaWgk

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      PeterS

      I don’t recognise the Australia I once knew. It’s has become very much like a police state. It remains to be seen whether it will get worse or it’s just temporary. Also, it’s not just the police and the governments. It’s the MSM too as they have become the mouthpiece of the governments. The people have changed too – they have become jelly backed gullible fools lapping up the draconian measures. I’ve met people who can’t wait for the vaccination passports to be enforced so they can see those who are not vaccinated treated like dirt. We have become a sick and weak nation.

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        Mark+Allinson

        It’s a sad state of affairs when the only real prospect of escaping tyranny from our own leaders is a Chinese invasion – and then I am sure we would see all Australians treated equally.

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        Mark+Allinson

        Saw this on a blog:

        “The problem with Australians is not that so many of them are descended from convicts,” said Clive James, a famous Australian poet who spent most of his life overseas, “but that so many of them are descended from prison officers.”

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          PeterS

          I’ve seen similar comments some time ago. I think it says a lot about the culture of Australia. Don’t forget various state police forces have been exposed by numerous investigations to be corrupt in the past. I don’t think much has changed. There re good cops and there are bad ones. The trouble here is that it’s impossible to tell the difference since they all have the same uniform. Then there are the politicians. They just tell lies.

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            el+gordo

            Are you in favour of sacking the whole police force and let people do what ever they want?

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              Lucky

              Disagree with the proposition that the problem is or is caused by corruption, the pleasure of committing thuggish violence would appear to be a prime motivator for what is happening.
              So, do not sack the entire police force, instead put a fair number in jail, then sack the remainder.

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              PeterS

              No, but you are sounding like we let the police do what they want and become a full blown police state attacking people for no reason at all. I hope we don’t decline down to that level of chaos. If you care to read my comment properly instead of making wild and absurd allegations on my person, you will notice I sated that three are good and bad cops. In case your English is poor, that means not all cops are good and not all cops are bad. You follow? Or are you just practising at turning into a troll?

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      Serp

      I’m an admirer of Helen Dale but she’s reheated these leftovers of her famous essay a few times too often and as Mark+Allinson points out the idea originated with Clive James anyway. It’s a fatuous meme which adds no understanding to the predicament our daft politicians have jammed us into and certainly offers no ideas for a way out.

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    M Allinson

    INTERVIEW: Dr. Byram Bridle, leading viral immunologist and vaccinologist on COVID-19 vaccines:

    https://www.rebelnews.com/interview_dr_byram_bridle_leading_viral_immunologist_and_vaccinologist_on_covid-19_vaccines

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    OldOzzie

    Australians all let us rejoice, For we are modestly eased.

    Steve K said.

    What does “modest easing” mean? The cops won’t belt you quite so hard for wanting to be a free citizen? Or now only 5 cops will throw themselves on top of you to crush you instead of 6?

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    John Connor II

    BREAKING: Worldwide Call to STOP VAXX NOW! Doctors, Scientists Reveal Horrific Findings

    https://rumble.com/vmxenj-breaking-now-worldwide-call-to-stop-vaxx-now-doctors-scientists-reveal-find.html

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      Destroyer D69

      Is this the same group? If not then they are not alone!!!!!!!
      Skip to content

      Global Covid Summit
      PHYSICIANS DECLARATION
      GLOBAL COVID SUMMIT – ROME, ITALY

      International Alliance of Physicians and Medical Scientists
      September, 2021
      (view in Italian) (view in Slovak) (view in Dutch) (view in Spanish)

      [UPDATE: as of 10am ET on 9/26 over 3,900 doctors & scientists have signed the Rome Declaration. Please join us by reading and signing below.]

      We the physicians of the world, united and loyal to the Hippocratic Oath, recognizing the profession of medicine as we know it is at a crossroad, are compelled to declare the following;

      WHEREAS, it is our utmost responsibility and duty to uphold and restore the dignity, integrity, art and science of medicine;

      WHEREAS, there is an unprecedented assault on our ability to care for our patients;

      WHEREAS, public policy makers have chosen to force a “one size fits all” treatment strategy, resulting in needless illness and death, rather than upholding fundamental concepts of the individualized, personalized approach to patient care which is proven to be safe and more effective;

      WHEREAS, physicians and other health care providers working on the front lines, utilizing their knowledge of epidemiology, pathophysiology and pharmacology, are often first to identify new, potentially life saving treatments;

      WHEREAS, physicians are increasingly being discouraged from engaging in open professional discourse and the exchange of ideas about new and emerging diseases, not only endangering the essence of the medical profession, but more importantly, more tragically, the lives of our patients;

      WHEREAS, thousands of physicians are being prevented from providing treatment to their patients, as a result of barriers put up by pharmacies, hospitals, and public health agencies, rendering the vast majority of healthcare providers helpless to protect their patients in the face of disease. Physicians are now advising their patients to simply go home (allowing the virus to replicate) and return when their disease worsens, resulting in hundreds of thousands of unnecessary patient deaths, due to failure-to-treat;

      WHEREAS, this is not medicine. This is not care. These policies may actually constitute crimes against humanity.

      NOW THEREFORE, IT IS:

      RESOLVED, that the physician-patient relationship must be restored. The very heart of medicine is this relationship, which allows physicians to best understand their patients and their illnesses, to formulate treatments that give the best chance for success, while the patient is an active participant in their care.

      RESOLVED, that the political intrusion into the practice of medicine and the physician/patient relationship must end. Physicians, and all health care providers, must be free to practice the art and science of medicine without fear of retribution, censorship, slander, or disciplinary action, including possible loss of licensure and hospital privileges, loss of insurance contracts and interference from government entities and organizations – which further prevent us from caring for patients in need. More than ever, the right and ability to exchange objective scientific findings, which further our understanding of disease, must be protected.

      RESOLVED, that physicians must defend their right to prescribe treatment, observing the tenet FIRST, DO NO HARM. Physicians shall not be restricted from prescribing safe and effective treatments. These restrictions continue to cause unnecessary sickness and death. The rights of patients, after being fully informed about the risks and benefits of each option, must be restored to receive those treatments.

      RESOLVED, that we invite physicians of the world and all health care providers to join us in this noble cause as we endeavor to restore trust, integrity and professionalism to the practice of medicine.

      RESOLVED, that we invite the scientists of the world, who are skilled in biomedical research and uphold the highest ethical and moral standards, to insist on their ability to conduct and publish objective, empirical research without fear of reprisal upon their careers, reputations and livelihoods.

      RESOLVED, that we invite patients, who believe in the importance of the physician-patient relationship and the ability to be active participants in their care, to demand access to science-based medical care.

      IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned has signed this Declaration as of the date first written.
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      Co-Signers
      Physicians and Medical Scientists

      Dr. Ira Bernstein, co-founder, Canadian Covid Care Alliance; lecturer, Dept. of Family and Community Medicine, University of Toronto

      Dr. Paul E. Alexander, clinical epidemiologist, former WHO-PAHO and US HHS consultant/senior Covid Pandemic advisor

      Dr. Pierre Kory, critical care and pulmonary medicine specialist, former Chief of Critical Care Service and Medical Director of Trauma and Life Support Center at University of Wisconsin

      Dr. Tess Lawrie, Director, The Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy Ltd; founder, British Ivermectin Recommendation Development; CEO of non-profit Ebmcsquared CiC

      Dr. Héctor Carvallo, former professor of Internal Medicine, Universidad de Buenos Aires, former Director Ezeiza Hospital, Buenos Aires, Argentina

      Dr. Mobeen Syed, physician, computer scientist, CEO of DrBeen Corp (US), clinical consultant (Pakistan)

      Dr. Paul E. Marik, professor of medicine and Chief of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine, Eastern Virginia Medical School

      Dr. Flavio Cadegiani, endocrinologist & visiting professor, faculty of Floriano (FAESF); ad hoc consultant, Brazilian Health Regulatory Agency (Anvisa); consultant for National Commission for Incorporation of New Technologies, Devices and Drugs, Brazil, Brazil

      Dr. Marc G. Wathelet, molecular biologist, innate immunology and coronavirus expert, consultant, Belgium

      Dr. Eivind H. Vinjevoll, senior consultant of anesthesiology and intensive care medicine, chief medical advisor of emergency medicine, Volda, Norway

      Dr. Heather Gessling, family medicine doctor in Columbia, Missouri

      Dr. Mark McDonald, double board-certified child and adolescent psychiatrist, Los Angeles, California

      Dr. Olufemi Emmanuel Babalola, professor of ophthalmology, IP HOD Surgery, Bingham University, Jos/Karu, Nigeria

      Dr. Richard Urso, scientist, sole inventor of an FDA-approved wound healing drug, former Chief of Orbital Oncology at MD Anderson Cancer Center

      Dr. John Littell, family physician, with practices in Kissimmee and Ocala, Florida

      Dr. Ryan Cole, board-certified pathologist, CEO of Cole Diagnostics, Boise, Idaho

      Dr. Brian Tyson, family medicine doctor, Urgent Care Covid Clinic, Imperial Valley, California

      Prof. Andrea G. Stramezzi, Italy

      Dr. Zsuszanna Ragó, specialist in coronavirus, primary care; IVERCOV project leader, University of Debrecen, Hungary

      Dr. Robert W. Malone, gene therapy, bio-defense, vaccines and immunology; discoverer of in-vitro and in-vivo RNA transfection and architect of mRNA vaccine platform

      Dr. Jean-Jacques Rajter, critical care, pulmonary medicine, sleep medicine

      Dr. Wong Ang Peng, Malaysian Alliance for Effective Covid Control (MAECC)

      Dr. Peter McCullough, clinical cardiologist, preventive cardiology and advanced lipidology, former vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center

      Dr. Jose Iglesias, associate professor, Hackensack Meridian School of Medicine at Seton Hall

      Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, virology, vaccine R&D, former Sr Ebola Program Manager, Global Alliance for Vaccines & Immunization (GAVI), former Head of Vaccine Development Office, German Center for Infection Research

      Dr. Claudia Chaufan, professor, Health Policy and Global Health, York University, Toronto

      Dr. Brian J. Koos, maternal and fetal medicine, UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, California

      Dr. Giovanni Frajese, endocrinology and cancer research; associate professor, Applied Medical Technical Sciences, University of Rome “Foro Italico”, Rome, Italy

      Dr. Eric Wargotz, Clinical Professor of Pathology & Laboratory Medicine, the George Washington University School of Medicine, Washington, DC

      Dr. Phillip Sirota, Veterans Affairs Health Care System, Phoenix, Arizona

      Dr. R. Duane Cook, thoracic and cardiovascular surgeon, University of Florida Health

      Dr. Ming Chu Wang, Department of Anesthesia, National Taiwan University Hospital, Taipei, Taiwan

      Dr. Ondrej Halgas, biomedical researcher, University of Toronto, Canada

      Dr. Marialuisa Partisani, deputy head, general medicine, HIV infection care center, Hopitaux Universitaires de Strasbourg, France

      Dr. Allesandro Santin, professor of obstetrics, gynecology, and reproductive sciences, Yale School of Medicine; Disease Aligned Research team leader, Yale Cancer Center, New Haven, Connecticut

      And thousands more physicians, medical scientists and researchers from around the globe.
      Global Covid Summit

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    OldOzzie

    COVID-19 – The Spartacus Letter.pdf

    My name is Spartacus, and I’ve had enough.

    We have been forced to watch America and the Free World spin into inexorable decline due to a biowarfare attack. We, along with countless others, have been victimized and gaslit by propaganda and psychological warfare operations being conducted by an unelected, unaccountable Elite against the American people and our allies.

    Our mental and physical health have suffered immensely over the course of the past year and a half. We have felt the sting of isolation, lockdown, masking, quarantines, and other completely nonsensical acts of healthcare theater that have done absolutely nothing to protect the health or wellbeing of the publicfrom the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

    Now, we are watching the medical establishment inject literal poison into millions of our fellow Americans without so much as a fight.

    We have been told that we will be fired and denied our livelihoods if we refuse to vaccinate. This was the last straw.

    First, we will summarize our findings, and then, we will explain them in detail. References will be placed at the end.

    – Summary:
    – COVID-19 Pathophysiology and Treatments:
    – COVID-19 Transmission:
    – COVID-19 Criminal Conspiracy:
    – COVID-19 Vaccine Development and Links to Transhumanism:
    – Conclusions:
    – References:

    That covers Pages 1-15, the rest Pages 15-41 are list of references

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    Liberator

    Just completed an survey about climate change… wish I could have save the questions to share but, WOW just WOW what they asked and the biases in the questions. Another woke university with pre-conceived notions! This is the university sponsoring the survey:

    https://www.griffith.edu.au/research/climate-action

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      Serp

      Nothing to do with upcoming COP26 then? Just another of our independent aussie univerities plying its alarmist shtick. Meh. And thanks for not showing us the banal claptrap you went through.

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    MP

    Warning, do not click on that link.

    You will come out dumber then you went in.

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    OldOzzie

    Memories as a kid riding Manly Ferry Steamer Baragoola from Manly to Circular Quay and back watching the Stokers shovelling Coal into the Boiler

    Built by Morts Dock and Engineering Co. Ltd. in Balmain N.S.W., for the Port Jackson and Manly Steam Ship Company, S.S. Baragoola was launched on 14th February 1922, handed over on 31st August, and entered service on 3rd September 1922.

    Baragoola was converted from a steam ship to a motor vessel between December 1958 and December 1960. It had a long operational life of just over 60 years service, before retirement on 8th January 1983. After passing through a number of private owners, the ship was purchased by the Baragoola Preservation Association on 1st April 2010. It is afloat in static condition.

    The Baragoola was designed by Captain Andrew Christie of Morts Dock. It was built very similarly to the five previous Manly B-class ships constructed by this firm. However the hull was made slightly shorter and wider than the previously built “Barrenjoey type” and Baragoola’s sun deck was given distinctive rounded ends. The ship has a double-ended steel hull, with wooden superstructure, decks and wheelhouses. It has the following principal dimensions :-

    length 199.5ft (60.85 m),
    beam 34.1ft (10.4 m),
    depth 14ft (4.27m) with maximum draught of 12.3ft (3.75m)

    Note these figures are from A. Prescott’s thesis, but the ship’s dimensions vary slightly depending on the source quoted.
    The steel hull has a rudder and propeller at each end and is divided by five watertight bulkheads into six compartments. From the bow of the ship (the end with the anchors) as-built these were :-

    forward collision void and chain locker,
    forward hold and deckhands’ quarters,
    boiler room,
    (steam) engine room,
    aft hold and master’s and engineer’s quarters, and
    aft collision void.

    The lowest passenger deck is the main deck and as built the layout from the bow was :-

    gentlemens’ lavatories (under forecastle)
    gentlemens’ smoking saloon
    forward stairway
    main passenger saloon (open to the top of the steam engine behind the funnel casing)
    aft (rear) stairway
    ladies saloon with ladies lavatory at rear.

    The deck above the main deck is the promenade deck and as-built was originally open, other than wind break partitions. Passengers can move between the main and promenade decks by either the foward or aft staircases. There were two lifeboats mounted on the rear of this deck (on aftcastle).

    The deck above the promenade deck is the sun deck, which is the highest deck of the ship and was not normally accessible by passengers. The two wheelhouses were mounted at the ends of this deck with each probably originally containing Alley and McLennan steam stearing gear. Also as-built on this deck were the horn-shaped ventilation cowls for the boilers and engine room air intakes and the tall steamer funnel which was stabilised with four guy-wires.

    The ship’s original fair weather capacity was 1512 passengers. The original design for loading and unloading was by means of three gangways from the wharf to the main deck and three to the promenade deck above on each side of the ship. All saloon passenger access was by sliding doors.

    The vessel was rated at 490.03 gross tons (note this is a calculated carrying capacity not to be confused with its actual displacement mass)

    While Baragoola was locally built at the Morts Dock shipyard at Balmain.

    Baragoola’s Steam Engine and Operating Speed

    Baragoola was originally built as a coal-fired triple-expansion engined steamship.

    Steam was supplied by two “navy type” (locomotive) marine horizontal tubed boilers built by Morts Dock. Each boiler had three furnaces and a maximum steam pressure of 180 psi.

    Baragoola was fitted with a steam powered dynamo (DC generater) to provide electric lighting throughout the vessel.

    The main steam engine was also built by Morts Dock at Balmain and had three cylinders: The high pressure cylinder was 18 inches (457.2mm) diameter; the intermediate was 28 inches (711.2mm) and the low pressure was 47.5 inches (1206.5mm) diameter. The engine had a 27 inch (698.5mm) stroke. The steam engine was rated as 1300 indicated horsepower (lossless theorectical output figure) and 112 nominal horsepower (swept volumetric engine comparision figure).

    Allowing for 10% friction power loss within the steam engine, the shaft output (brake horse power) would therefore been around 870 kiloWatts. Baragoola’s measured average maximum acceptance trial (new) speed was 14.7 knots (27.2 km/h). This exceeded the contracted 14 knot minimum speed but Baragoola was slower than its two preceding sisterships; Balgowlah and Barrenjoey.

    Inexplicably the Baragoola was equipped with a less powerful engine than the design used on these two previous ships. In comparison to Baragoola, the 10.5 foot longer but 1.92 foot narrower Balgowlah, with its 1400 indicated horsepower rated engine, reached 16 knots on its acceptance trial.

    When it entered service Baragoola was faster than Binngarra and Burra Bra – the two oldest and slowest ships in the B-class fleet. However with the arrival of the faster Dee Why, Curl Curl and South Steyne, and the consequent retirement of all ships built before the Bellubera, Baragoola as a steam ship became the slowest ship in the Manly fleet.

    Like all the Manly screw steam ships, the steam engine was permanently connected by shafting to both single propellers at each end of the ship. The simultaneous turning of the fore and aft propellors by the steam engine would have reduced the transmitted propulsive power by up to 20 percent.

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    another ian

    “Neil Oliver: “The Strongest Smell of Fear is Coming From Government” – “It Smells Like Victory, Hold The Line”
    September 26, 2021 | Sundance | 55 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/09/26/neil-oliver-the-strongest-smell-of-fear-is-coming-from-government-it-smells-like-victory-hold-the-line/

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    another ian

    “If 2021 were 1941 . . .”

    “In this video, Carolla compares the current insanity over Covid and the Covid vaccines to the persecution of the French Resistance during WW2. This got me thinking, if 2021 were 1941, here’s how the following people who likely line up:”

    And Oz politicians get an early mention in that item

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/09/26/if-2021-were-1941/

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    Hanrahan

    Just pondering, but I sit up late looking for entertainment on the web and The Saint crops up regularly.

    The number of his good friends that come to a sticky end makes me wonder: Who is the more dangerous to know, Simon Templar or Hillary Clinton?

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    CHRIS

    I wonder what Leslie Charteris (creator of The Saint) would think of today’s world. As for who is the more dangerous…Hiliary Crooked (Whitewater) Clinton is definitely numero uno. Closely followed by the Biden clan.

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    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=181806180298155&ref
    Everyone PLEASE take 5 minutes of your day to watch this video
    Candace Owens

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      PeterS

      They won’t be stopped simply because governments have no backbone to do anything about them. It’s the same reason why our own government refuses to do anything about the same sort of bias conducted by “our” ABC, as well as governments in other Western nations with their TV broadcasters, public or private. This might have been a good example of the quote “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing” but for one thing. As been demonstrated by the action of the governments, they turned to the evil side as well. Since our governments are now on the side of evil it’s impossible to clamp down on social media platforms and broadcasters. The only real option is for people to stop using such platforms and use something else not influenced by evil people. We might not be able to change our governments to get rid of the evil but we can change which social media platforms we use and which TV channels we watch, or simply stop using them and DYOR, something that most people won’t do for a number of reasons.

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    PeterS

    Greta Thunberg: ‘I really see the value of friendship. Apart from the climate, almost nothing else matters’ | Greta Thunberg | The Guardian

    The Transformation of Greta Thunberg

    Yes, I can see the transformation – evil undertones with the covering up of one eye to leave one eye exposed to symbolise the illuminati and other similar evil groups.

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    “Dear Idiot: I Will Laugh”

    “Well here’s a bit of science for you, *******: The jabs don’t work.

    In fact you admit they don’t work. If you believed they did work you wouldn’t care about us. You might call us stupid, but that’s the end of it right? You’re safe, we’re not. So what? You live your life and if we kill ourselves, so be it. You don’t ban beer because I can drink myself to death, right?”

    More at

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243699

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      another ian

      And some links via SDA

      “Non-Responders – Is the word, or phrase of the day (help me grammar nazis) after going through some research papers this afternoon.

      Primary vaccine failure to routine vaccines: Why and what to do?

      A paper relevant to the one above focusing on cancer patients and covid vaccines.

      And to round things out a paper on how they can determine causality from VAERS reports. ”

      http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/09/26/non-responders/

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    Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison Brags About Human Rights During U.N. Speech, While State Police Violently Beat Citizens in The Streets Protesting to Support Human Rights

    A remarkable contrast video shows the words the Australian Prime Minister delivered during the United Nations General Assembly, while contrasting the brutality that Morrison’s various police units are unleashing in the streets all around Australia.

    The original version of this video is being throttled by Google [SEE HERE]. However, a Rumble Version has been uploaded. The video used to overlay the speech is actual news footage from the past five days in Australia.

    In virtually every large metropolitan area in the country, State Police, Riot Squads and jackboots can be found beating citizens who leave their homes or refuse to show their approved transit papers. Australians, who attempt to protest the COVID lockdowns and forced vaccinations, are subject to being shot, beaten, arrested and in come cases of female victims, sexually assaulted by police officers. Australia has descended into totalitarianism, and is not easily the most dystopian state in the former free democratic world.

    The Taliban in Afghanistan are mild compared to the police units operating in many cities including Melbourne and Sydney. Checkpoints are commonplace everywhere, and quarantine camps for the non-compliant have been established. It is beyond absurd.

    The Video 1 mins 57 Secs is remarkable

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      PeterS

      Does a good job of exposing the hypocrisy oozing out of PM Morrison. He should be ashamed of himself especially since he proclaims to be a Christian. That’s a laugh. If anything I consider him a wolf in sheep’s clothing, which is the Biblical way of describing a person who is evil, or at best a black sheep who lost his way. Too early to tell which one he is. Either way I pray one day he repents and finds his way back to our Lord’s side and not stay on the devil’s side.

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        el+gordo

        Could we just leave out his political orientation and focus on the reality of Afghanistan, its back to Medieval ways, look away, nothing to see here.

        Scotty is alright for now, but once the Covid dust settles the government has to confront the electorate. He will need your prayers.

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    el+gordo

    David Middleton at WUWT.

    ‘For quite some time it has been “settled science” that humans migrated into the Americas during deglaciation as ice-free passages opened. While there have been indications that humans may have arrived much earlier, we now have “rock solid” evidence that humans were already in New Mexico about 23,000 years ago.’

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    Serp

    Michael Smith has run a piece which goes some way to giving me a partial understanding as to why I am no longer able to listen to the rabidly pro vaccine shock jocks on 3AW. https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/09/the-head-of-nine-news-wants-no-freedom-for-unvaccinated.html Clearly they are under instructions from their management as is this Simon Hobbs chap.

    The sooner vaccine mandates in the workplace, and virtually everywhere else, are wiped out by the action of the federal Disability Discrimination Act as described in https://spectator.com.au/2021/09/limiting-access-for-the-unvaxed-to-public-places-will-likely-breach-the-disability-discrimination-act/ the safer we’ll be in our homes but somebody needs to fund a challenge for that to happen.

    The states are pursuing their policies as if the overriding federal legislation does not exist. We shouldn’t be surprised if a covid amendment is added to the federal bill before any challenge can go on foot.

    It’s all of a piece with the press conferences of the premiers whose daily scripts ignore the fact that being vaccinated does not prevent contracting the virus and does not prevent transmitting the virus. I’ve stopped blaming Brett Sutton for Daniel Andrews’s seeming ignorance as it has become all too obvious the misdirection is intentional.

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      Come to Canberra. The green/labor government will not have any mandated discrimination. The ACT is one of the few jurisdictions with human rights legislation which limits government action like you fear, and an independent ombudsman to oversee it. You should drop 3AW and get on to The Saturday paper. Their editorial position aligns with yours. Funny old world aye?

      The only problem is that if you are unvaccinated and have no evidence of dispensation you wont be able to leave the state. You wont be able to visit elderly people in institutional homes (who have mandated discretion to exclude people who they think present a health risk to the residents). On the other hand if your personal freedoms are impinged by a business you are free to challenge them under the Act I just mentioned.

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      OldOzzie

      Serp,

      our CHOs and PM and Premiers are brainless as pointed out in Daily Telegraph Article below followed by The Australian News Poll – as at this morning Gladys has gone with imprisonment of unvaccinated, the Liberals are too dumb to realise that 10-20% they are saying should be permanently imprisoned, object to what the Liberals are doing, which is why they will lose.

      Why some Australians are done with Covid vaccination rules

      If a bunch of unvaccinated people want to gather together, surely that is a matter for them, writes James Campbell.

      The mob that rampaged through the streets of Melbourne for several days last week might have been made up of the bad and sad with deluded views about vaccination which are unbacked by science.

      But on one point they are right to be angry.

      Australia’s leaders promised us the country’s vaccination program would be voluntary.

      Last month Scott Morrison was asked about this and he gave a clear and unambiguous statement which is worth quoting at length.

      “The vaccination program in Australia is free and it is not mandatory,” the Prime Minister said.

      “That is a very important principle. We are not going to seek to impose a mandatory vaccination program by the Government, by stealth. That is not what we’re going to do” before going on to say: “it is important that Australians know that we are not going to seek to impose a mandatory vaccination program in this country by some other means. There have been some isolated cases which have already been identified – quarantine workers and aged care workers. They are the only areas that any states or territories or the Commonwealth has suggested that we’re providing some statutory or a public health order enforcement of such a mandating.”

      A month later Victoria’s chief health officer Brett Sutton shut the lunchrooms on Victoria’s building sites and ordered that every worker have at least one jab before being allowed to work.

      Now you could argue that wasn’t this wasn’t the Prime Minister’s fault, after all, Sutton does what he likes barely any reference to the Victorian Government, let alone Canberra.

      But the fact is that every state and territory and leader who has sat in national cabinet has connived at creating the impression that barring a few industries that dealt with the vulnerable, the rest of us would be given a choice about whether we want to get vaccinated.

      And it turns out this is a lie.

      In NSW from next month when the double vaxxed rate hits 70 per cent of the eligible population over 16 only those who have vaccinated will be able to go to the pub, eat out, attend public events.

      These pleasures will continue to be forbidden to the unvaccinated.

      But as I said, it’s hard to square Gladys’s unvaxxed home visit ban and Dan’s no-jab no-start diktat with the statement from Scott Morrison I quoted earlier.

      You also have to ask whether it’s really wise.

      All the polling shows the overwhelming majority of us are going to get jabbed if we haven’t been already.

      But there is also a substantial minority – almost 10 per cent according to the Melbourne Institute – who have no intention of doing so.

      Are we really prepared for a society in which 10 per cent of the adult population are effectively excluded from the economy?

      What are the chances this will increase the number of them who hold other, ahem, more problematic views?

      Moreover, while according to all the polls a majority of the population backs privileges for the vaccinated, the size of the minorities ought to be giving our rulers pause for thought.

      According to the Melbourne Institute’s findings – backed up by a recent YouGov poll – it would seem around one-in-five people are against being made to provide evidence they’re vaccinated to enter bars, restaurants and sporting venues.

      After the week that we’ve just been through here in Melbourne, this strikes me as a recipe for trouble.

      Still, you can see how we got here.

      For the past 18 months public health across Australia have been shutting down our societies at the stroke of a pen, cheered on by their epidemiologist friends sitting in their institute offices.

      https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/why-some-australians-are-done-with-covid-vaccination-rules/news-story/d97b74d438152d52049a2dcaacbe93a6

      Newspoll: Morrison government trailing as key states drift away

      The decline has been led by a loss of support among part-time and blue-collar workers and low to middle-income earners, according to the quarterly analysis of Newspoll surveys conducted between July and September.

      In Mr Morrison’s home state of NSW, the Coalition has suffered an averaged three-point swing against it in the current quarter compared to the April to June quarter, with popular support falling to 39 per cent.

      Labor now leads in NSW by 52/48 on a two-party preferred basis, marking an almost four-point turnaround since the election in a state that the Coalition would need to win seats in rather than simply retain those it has, if it is to remain in office after the next election.

      https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/newspoll-morrison-government-trailing-as-key-states-drift-away/news-story/47f2965caf63f624a155d52402f72f69

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      Serp, a legal challenge is being prepared. It is headed by lawyer Nathan Buckley (not the footballer!) & his law firm who are also seeking donations for funding this expensive challenge:
      TELEPHONE NUMBERS
      Kim Glassborow: 0481 287 528
      Nathan Buckley: 0411 067 367
      Wollongong Office: (02) 4254 1003
      Sydney Office: (02) 9220 5018

      OFFICES
      Sydney office
      Level 23, 52 Martin Place, Sydney, NSW 2000

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    PeterS

    This is typically how far left activists react when the truth is told by real scientists even in a University. They just can’t the truth. They blow a fuse and walk out.

    Students Freakout During Gender Debate at Portland State University

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    OldOzzie

    National Gallery commissions its most expensive acquisition — a $14m sculpture representing inclusion and diversity

    Costed at $14 million, the 13-tonne piece will not only be Lee’s biggest work to date — in both scale and concept — but also represents the largest investment ever by the NGA.

    Commissioned against a backdrop of a world afflicted by contagion, human loss and racial tension, Ouroboros will symbolise unity and diversity when it goes on display in the gallery’s sculpture garden in 2024.

    ‘Ambitious’ project celebrates diversity

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    Never let it be said that the RE investors are unambitious…

    The world’s biggest solar PV and battery storage project, Sun Cable, has been expanded up to to a mind-bending 20 gigawatts for the solar component of the Northern Territory proposal, and 36-42GWh of battery storage.

    So that is now a Solar plant 20x bigger than any currently constructed, and a battery 50 x bigger than any so far operational !
    And to top it off /make it worthwhile, a 4000km HVDC cable laid across the ocean to Singapore !
    This should be fun to watch develop !

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      Meanwhile, Giles an his worshipers over at RE , are partying at the suggestion that RE sources (Wind, Solar, and Hydro) apparently achieved 61% of the total power supply…briefly… at midday last Friday.
      However, …there are a few realities they chose to ignore…
      1) 30 % of that was from ROOF TOP solar ( an estimate , since it is impossible to measure)
      2) So the RE component of GRID supplied power (17 GW), was actually only 41% (7.5 GW)
      3) at 17 GW that grid demand was one of the lowest last week, so 41% of that is no big achievement !
      4) this “record” lasted just a brief period until the noon sun passed and RE declined to its sub 20% contribution for the evening peak demand.
      5 ). And , no mention of all those other periods when RE contribution is well below 10%.

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    Serp

    How quickly will we rewrite all the EBA’s to follow the Italian policy that unvaccinated workers will not be paid? https://eraoflight.com/2021/09/26/italy-orders-companies-not-to-pay-unvaccinated-workers/

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      Already happening, the nurses, teachers, police put on unpaid leave, wont terminate them, they can’t get their holiday pay, benefits, super access, no assistance, those doing this and supporting this are Tyrants. Heralded as hero’s months ago and after 18 months of the “pandemic” it appears they now going to starve them into submission .
      Not a peep about that from the anti-choice crew. Also doctors.

      This is f#cken madness and its supported by the people?

      I am not all on board with the nurses, they took the big bucks, free handouts, played the hero card, while doing tictok dances. But how dare our gruberment treat any Australian this way. The unions have dumped the workers, not surprised as they are also attendees at Davos meetings.
      They are bringing teachers from overseas to fill the gap, bet they are fully trained in Marxist ways.

      I know the tictok stuff was staged BS.

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        Already happening, the nurses, teachers, police put on unpaid leave, wont terminate them, they can’t get their holiday pay, benefits, super access, no assistance,

        Where is this happening? Any links or first hand sources?
        You mention Australia but I’ve only seen this referred to as supposedly happening in New York.

        I am not all on board with the nurses, they took the big bucks,

        What “big bucks” are you referring to?

        They are bringing teachers from overseas to fill the gap

        Where is this happening?

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          MP

          Do you look at any of the links people put up, the off shore teacher bit is in one of those, Craig Kelly or Mark Latham thread.

          I have two nieces whom are nurses, they got a covid allowance, and did FA as the joints were virtually closed. The aged care were dumped weeks ago, my bee mentors wife works at one, she got stuck to keep her job, she said that all aged care are desperately short of staff now.

          I just got this email from the nurse that organises our astandinthepark group. extract below.

          Hi all
          Please see attachment.

          This Thursday, all Queensland health employees (and that includes Ambulance) have the option to be jabbed or to be stood down without pay.
          Over the next few weeks this will include Teachers, Police and firefighters.It will not stop here.

          I am aware of how difficult it is to speak against those who control your profession. The lives of most of those now standing up and not complying to this mandate are filled with tears, with sadness, grief and at times despair. This group contains pregnant women, young and old, 99% of all medical exceptions are being denied.

          The courage they will require to stand in front of their place of work will be enormous. Us standing with them will strengthen their resolve that they are on the right path and know they are not alone.

          This Friday, the esplanade outside of cairns has been identified Cairns hospital has been identified as a meeting place. Atherton has also been mentioned as a few staff from this area are now without employment. If Tablelands staff want to go to Atherton. I say we go join them there. This is our main medical facility, if they are willing to let good staff go for the sake of an injection – will they be refusing our service next?

          If you want to bring signs, please let them be non-confrontational. We need to bring people towards their plight, not push them away.
          Please save the date, I will forward you the place and time as soon as it is known.

          Maybe they are imagining it, sampling the wears maybe. I may not agree entirely with their views, but I will be there Friday, standing with them.

          Try turning off your ABC and look at what’s going on around you.

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            Strop

            Do you look at any of the links people put up

            Some, if they describe what the link is about.

            the off shore teacher bit is in one of those

            Sounds ludicrous because movement in to the country is limited, teachers overseas qualified to teach here probably aren’t just sitting around waiting for a job in Aus,and most of all the deadline for teachers to be double jabbed in Vic is still two months away and in NSW 6 weeks away. So no teacher (in Vic) should be on leave without pay until at least the first jab deadline 3 weeks away.

            Craig Kelly or Mark Latham thread.

            What’s a Craig Kelly or Mark Latham thread? I’m not aware of a dedicated thread here for them. Do you mean their Twitter feeds? Maybe those two have something worth seeing but I’m not sure I want to dive into that censored cesspool.

            I just got this email from the nurse that organises our astandinthepark group. extract below.

            Thanks. Even though the nurse says it I still find it incredible that this is happening here. Is it just a QLD thing? I don’t doubt the stood down part. It’s the no pay part that I’m querying. Compulsory jab is a change in their work conditions so they either need to be paid while stood down or receive a redundancy payout.

            Over the next few weeks this will include Teachers, Police and firefighters

            Oh, ok, so hasn’t happened here yet. Thought you said it had.

            Try turning off your ABC and look at what’s going on around you.

            Don’t make silly assumptions. I despise the ABC. The fact that I ask for some evidence about your claims doesn’t indicate anything about me being an ABC person. Actually, me wanting to be sure of facts before I repeat them should imply I’m anything but an ABC person.

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              That’s just copied and pasted out of the email, it was explained to me on Sunday as “leave without pay”. They won’t sack them, that would be against their conditions, they want them to quit.
              Their unions are ignoring the workers, my union days we would strike Aus wide for one unfair dismissal.

              The Kelly/Latham bit was in a twitter thread about the cops antics, I don’t do twitter so not sure how that works (it was 300 NSW), as the thread seemed a mix of many things.

              According to Gov stats 100 000 people passed through hotel quarantine in July alone, not little movements.

              I said happening, aged care done, medical in two days time, then the rest I think is Oct, (weeks) I guess I will find out Friday.

              One vax is the mandated start, if you get one you will be getting the second. If you don’t get the first, your done, so by your own words that’s weeks away. And nobody cares.

              Everyone on here despises the ABC, but continually validate their stories with ABC links, I won’t even click on an ABC link, give them no views.

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                Strop

                According to Gov stats 100 000 people passed through hotel quarantine in July alone, not little movements.

                I said limited, not little.

                Everyone on here despises the ABC, but continually validate their stories with ABC links

                Over 500 comments here an a quick skim suggests just one ABC link.

                I won’t even click on an ABC link, give them no views.

                A click might help their viewer stats but it doesn’t help their finances without advertising. When googling info that you know exists to refute a “lefty” comment (having read or seen the info previously on a non-ABC source), it’s handy to be able to use an ABC link to show them because:
                a) if you use a Sky News link or other Murdoch source they won’t believe it,
                b) if you use a Herald Sun or Australian or some other main daily paper link it’s often behind a paywall and they won’t be able to view it,
                c) they have to accept the info if their beloved ABC says it’s so.

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    another ian

    For your all action packed retirement

    http://actiontrackchair.com/

    Via a comment at Chiefio

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    Ronin

    Chris Barrie slamming the govt for not doing enough about climate change, saying we could be inundated by climate refugees from SE Asia, and princess Greta slamming NZ for not reducing CO2 emissions fast enough, they would have as much influence on global emissions as a flea on an elephants arse, while in the meantime ignoring the elephant in the room responsible for contaminating the planet.

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      Strop

      Why would SE Asia climate change refugees want tto come to Aus? According the alarmists Australia is just about the last place on earth anyone should be with cyclones every week, 10 year droughts every 11 years and massive floods in the year between, and bushfires covering 99% of the country even in the flood year. 😉

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    Research on vaccines vs natural immunity
    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.1c03972

    “We looked at the antibody levels in those groups and what we saw was that the people who had COVID had very highly variable levels of antibodies ranging over a very large interval and the amount of antibodies they had depended on how severe their infection was. So, someone who has a really severe infection can have antibody levels that are a thousand times higher than somebody who had a mild case of COVID, and wasn’t hospitalized. And what we found was that after vaccination people have antibody levels that are higher than people who had mild COVID by a lot, and get close to the levels, not quite as high, but almost as high as people who had severe COVID.

    Then we find that someone who had COVID and then gets vaccinated has the highest antibody levels. Higher than severe COVID-19 and higher than vaccine alone. It didn’t matter how mild or severe their COVID was, after they get vaccinated they reach a very high level regardless of what their previous antibody level was. The combination of COVID plus vaccination brings people to this a ceiling of the highest they could get.

    Yang explained that natural immunity is dependent upon the individual’s level of infection:

    The question of whether natural immunity is stronger or better than the vaccine immunity from the standpoint of antibodies is that it depends on how severe the person’s infection was. If a person had a very mild infection, then the antibody levels are going to be much less than you would achieve with vaccination. If a person had very, very severe COVID requiring hospitalization then they have antibody levels that are similar to what you get with vaccination, maybe a little bit higher than what you get with vaccination.

    And if somebody even had very mild COVID and barely had any antibodies after their COVID and they get vaccinated they have a huge amount of antibodies. That’s very high.

    He continued, saying that the vaccine provides the most protection from severe illness or death and that people ignore the role of T-cells when focusing on antibodies:

    Actually T-cells are as important, if not more important, and that’s reflected by the fact that with the delta variant escaping antibodies and antibodies declining, over time breakthrough infections are becoming very common after vaccinations.

    But protection from severe illness and death is still extremely good with the vaccines. So if you look at the data in Israel, where they put us to shame in terms of keeping better track of what’s going on, what you see is that people that have been vaccinated five months ago, the vaccine is only 16% effective in preventing an infection. But it’s still well over 90% in terms of preventing someone from getting sick enough and needing to go to the hospital.

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    OldOzzie

    Why DO both Liberal and Labor insist we need vaccine passports when 90% will be double-vaxxed and the rest of the world are already ditching them, asks MARK LATHAM

    – Mark Latham has slammed Labor for supporting NSW Liberal’s jab mandates
    – He warned the mass sacking of unvaccinated workers would be a disgrace
    – Says most unvaccinated are waiting for alternate jabs such as Moderna, Novavax
    – He says vaccine passports are unnecessary – and treat unvaccinated like ‘lepers’

    There is a Poll on Vaccination in Australia

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    OldOzzie

    TGA’s admission about at-home Covid tests

    The medical regulator has pushed back responsibility for Australia’s go-slow approach to at-home Covid tests on to the federal government, suggesting the setback was a deliberate action until vaccination rates were higher.

    Health Minister Greg Hunt on Monday said rapid tests could be approved for at-home use by Christmas.

    But that direction has yet to be shared with the Therapeutic Goods Administration.

    Deputy Secretary John Skerritt said while the regulator was working to that time frame, it was still waiting for the green light to begin the approval process.

    “We can‘t formally make an approval decision until we get a signal from government,” Professor Skerritt said.

    “They have to make a decision, you know, when is it less of a big deal to start missing some positive cases, because we know these rapid antigen tests are pretty good, but they’re not as good as the gold standard PCR test.”

    The TGA boss’s admission indicates the slow adoption of at-home tests was likely engaged to lower the risk of false negatives or individuals hiding positive test results.

    “Governments still have to make a decision on… do they want a system in place where every positive rapid test is captured?

    “In other words, that the state and territories know as soon as there’s a positive test or not. And those decisions all have to still be made.”

    Currently 51.8 per cent of the population aged 16 and over is fully vaccinated.

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    Tilba+Tilba

    Currently 51.8 per cent of the population aged 16 and over is fully vaccinated.

    We are o much behind most of Europe and North America … Scotty from Marketing and Greg Hunt have a great deal to answer for. Dumbies.

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    another ian

    “No Evidence Required? What About Ivermectin?”

    https://newcatallaxy.blog/2021/09/27/no-evidence-required-what-about-ivermectin/

    “Oh what a tangled web we weave – – -“

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    Anton

    Huge news from the UK. The government is quietly ditching green energy to go nuclear to keep its zero-carbon commitments. A U-turn this big has to be done quietly, but the Sunday Times twigged it on yesterday’s front page. Rolls Royce will make and install at least 16 small reactors, and two or three large ones will likely be built. This will cost a lot – we should be fracking as well – but it will be much cheaper than wind plus electricity plus some form of storage that doesn’t even exist yet. The Cabinet has gazed into the abyss and seen sense (and its desire to be re-elected).

    The context is the recent precipitous rise in gas prices, plus the imminence of the COP26 climate junket that will take place in Glasgow in November, the first in this annual conference series since covid and the first since the IPCC’s 6th Assessment Report. Watch for COP26 Minister Alok Sharma’s civil servants to start accepting exhibitions and presentations by the nuclear industry at COP26; so far they have rejected a number well into double figures.

    The UK can push its present nuclear reactors a bit longer, as can France with its reactors, which provide 70% of French electricity. But Germany, which is decarbonising *and* closing its reactors, is toast – and it subsidises the rest of the EU. Interesting times ahead!

    Of course this does not upgrade the electricity grid to the extent necessary to recharge the number of cars on the road if they were all replaced by electric ones. Or electrify all railways. Both of those projects would require enormous sums of money. But soon enough this green energy insanity will be called out.

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    “Joe has no idea what’s coming.

    I do.

    He thinks the roughly 25% of Americans who “can” get a jab but refuse for Covid-19 will be “swayed” by his order.

    He’s wrong; he might get a couple of percent of the 25%, but that’s it.

    Why?

    Because playing Hitler, which is exactly what he’s done (and now Kamala has done it too) not only doesn’t work it pisses people off.”

    More at

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243707

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    PeterS

    This says it all with gender fluidity.

    When Dialectic is Rhetoric

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    another ian

    “It Was A Con – White House Has No Idea When, or Even If, OSHA Will Ever Provide Rules to Support Legally Enforceable Worker Vaccine Mandate
    September 27, 2021 | Sundance | 294 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/09/27/it-was-a-con-white-house-has-no-idea-when-or-even-if-osha-will-ever-provide-rules-to-support-legally-enforceable-worker-vaccine-mandate/#comments

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    another ian

    “About the Maricopa County election audit in Arizona…”

    “I have no problem with the audit’s findings that its final vote totals closely matched those reported immediately after the election. However, that’s not the point. All the mainstream media and progressive-left pontificating about how this “proves” that the election results were valid is so much hooey.”

    More there

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2021/09/about-maricopa-county-election-audit-in.html
    and

    “EDITED TO ADD: Larry Correia, who’s a forensic auditor himself and had so much to say about electoral fraud immediately after the November 2020 elections, takes a look at the Maricopa County audit. Bold, underlined text is my emphasis.”

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