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There’s no proof of election fraud say the people who won’t release the evidence

If Democrats want healing, they could help Republicans get all the election data

Richard Grenell, former acting Director of National Intelligence, points at the hypocrisy of people saying “you have no proof” while withholding the data and materials needed to prove that same thing. It’s just like climate science.

Grenell is speaking specifically about Nevada:

— Zachary Steiber, and Jan Jekielek, Epoch Times:  

The Trump campaign and its allies are working on uncovering evidence of what happened during the election but are being stymied by officials.

“One of the problems that I think that we’re developing in this ongoing saga is the claims from the media, from the Democrats, and from local governments that we don’t have the proof. And the reality is, is that the ballots and the envelopes are in the possessions of local governments like the Clark County officials. We can raise the red flags, we can raise the concerning information, and we can point to the publicly available information that suggests voter fraud, but we can’t have access to the ballots or to the envelopes that have the signatures on it. That’s the property of local government,” explained Grenell, who has also served as Trump’s U.S. ambassador to Germany and special envoy for relations between Serbia and Kosovo.

“And it’s not fair, for instance, Clark County officials to say, ‘where’s your proof,’ when they have the proof and they’re unwilling to let us have access to it. We recently had a local judge say that our team could go examine the Agilis machine and the information that we were seeking. And, so, we went to Clark County officials and expecting to examine the machine and examine votes and signatures. And what we got was a tour of the place. It was not what the judge ordered,” Grenell added.

Grenell also says there were 42,000 people who voted twice in Nevada, 1,500 dead voters, and about 3% of mail-in ballots were fraudulently cast and then there are the USB drives that were altered. Some 130,000 ballot signatures were only checked by a computer, not by people.  Biden’s lead in Nevada is about 34,000 votes.

USB’s wide open to cheating

According to Jesse Binnall, who presented the evidence on behalf of the Trump campaign, the witness, whose name is shielded by a protective order, said that the vote tallies were collected from the machine at the end of every voting day and stored on Universal Serial Bus (USB) drives overnight.

“What they would do is they would log these disks in and out. Good practice. And the disks had a serial number on them. And numerous times that disk would be logged out with one vote total on it and logged back in the next morning during the early vote period with a different number on it. Sometimes more, sometimes less,” Binnall said.

“What that means is that literally in the dead of night, votes were appearing, and books are disappearing on these machines.”

What’s wrong with paper pen and witnesses?

The shifting mantra

  • There was no fraud,
  • There was fraud but it’s not widespread,
  • It’s not enough to change the election
  • You can’t prove it (because we won’t give you the ballots to audit properly.)
  • It’s too late to do anything now
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64 comments to There’s no proof of election fraud say the people who won’t release the evidence

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    skeptikal

    Georgia Governor, Brian Kemp’s “About” page says (My bold)…

    On November 6, 2018, he was elected as Georgia’s 83rd Governor, earning more votes than any gubernatorial candidate in state history.

    So, considering his current behaviour… did he really win all those votes or was he installed by Dominion?

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    Chrism

    I wonder if the DNC has targeted marginal electorates with mail-in ballots filled out by DNC workers using details leaked to DNC to give the appearance of legitimacy with counterfeit signature copies : clever and effective and difficult to prove but destroys the foundation of the Republic. GOP should ask people who were told they had already voted to contact them :if they look at the mail-in ballots in the names of the ‘already voted’ (mail in) voters they may see forged signatures, repeated votes with the same handwriting : the GOP should forensically audit them, asking FBI & DOJ assistance : find other votes with same handwriting : this will uncover the steal

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      Analitik

      Here is a test that was done by a journalist in Nevada on how lax the signature checks for mail in voting was. Eight out of nine (88.9 %) ballots were accepted, even though the signature was effectively that of the journalist rather than the voter.

      I say “effectively” because to keep the experiment legal, the journalist signed the voters’ names in his own hand-writing and then the voters copied his version of their signature. This meant that the voters lodged their own votes legally, just not with a signature as they would have normally signed it.

      Clark County election officials accepted my signature on eight ballot return envelopes [out of nine] during the general election. It’s more evidence that signature verification is a flawed security measure.

      https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-joecks/victor-joecks-clark-county-election-officials-accepted-my-signature-on-8-ballot-envelopes-2182390/

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    crakar24

    There is no proof that they will accept because they are on the Chinese payroll

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    Anton

    So the big question is, What next?

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    MareeS

    The US Presidential election is illegitimate, nothing will say otherwise even when Biden and his successors ascent the throne. At least we in Australia have compulsory voting that is less subject to rorting.

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      Broadie

      Wrong MareeS, in my opinion, and as a general comment without evidence.

      The Queensland Parliament for instance has had it’s fair share of convicted ballot rorters in positions of power.

      Our voting system is one big rort. The compulsory vote is designed to line the pockets of the Political Parties and to give legitimacy to what is in effect a One Party State. The people in our Parliament are pre-selected by the swamp and controlled by the same mechanisms controlling Public officials and Representatives in most modern democracies.
      (1)Toe the line or be dragged into the Legal morass.
      (2) Be good and be rewarded, friends and family included.
      (3) Comply or be removed by some sort of public or personal smear aided by a complicit media.

      A solution is to capture ‘The Great Reset’ and reset our democracies back to where they were community controlled.
      Paper ballots run by Locals, electing Locals to represent the community not ‘the Party’. Politics is a community service, not a career.
      Non-compulsory voting to eliminate the donkey’s vote.
      Two year terms. (Get in and do what you were elected to do.)
      Two consecutive terms only. (protects the separation of powers)
      No tax paper funding of Party Machines.
      No careers in Politics.

      Democracies should be imperfect and that is why the US Constitution is the greatest threat to the One World Government Fascists as they cannot exercise absolute control over ‘We the People’ and control the Power of the USA. They have been caught rorting the election in the major population centres of the swing states and ‘We the People’ are coming for them and they are armed to the teeth. This is ‘Afghanistan on Steroids’ once they are provoked to this level.
      In Australia we are sitting here,robbed of our Liberties, threatened by compliance and litigation, ruled not governed, our institutions in the hands of the Marxists and without a mechanism to rid us of these tyrants. We need to capture ‘The Great Reset’ from the globalists and get back to the good old days of ‘Don’s Party’, the Wham, Bam and Crash of local party fundraising and organising.

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Two things that are essential for democracy to work.

        1. Compulsory voting,

        2. A preferential system of vote counting where there are more than two choices.

        This still doesn’t guarantee freedom from failure.

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          Richard Jenkins

          I add 1 with mandatory ID 2. Banning how to vote cards and political signs and party officials at polling booths. 3. Heavy penalties for fraud votes. That is dead, wrong name or duplicate voting Note 3 happens in Australia and 1. would make it more dificult. With 2. there is opportunity for people to indicate their own preference and uninformed lazy votes are likely to become informal.

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          Forrest Gardener

          I would add one more thing – the concession of victory from loser to winner.

          The dems spent the entire last four years trying to overturn the last presidential election. This time their cheating was on such a scale that only the willfully blind could fail to see it.

          Their problem is that the cheated candidate has refused to concede. And without that the legitimacy of the election is gone. It can only come back when losers once again start conceding victory to winners.

          And when do you expect the dems to own up to their own cheating?

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    Fuel Filter

    Yeah, compulsory voting. That’s the ticket.

    Make every Tom, Dick and Harriet vote, no matter how much or little they care about who’s up for election.

    Or no matter how smart, or otherwise they are.

    Or no matter how vested, or not they are in the results.

    Or, well, I could go on ad infintum , but you get the picture.

    Or not…

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      The one good thing about compulsory voting which I didn’t appreciate is that it makes Big Fraud much harder. If we get a 90% turnout only 10% is up for grabs. And our rolls are fixed something like a month before. No one turns up and enrolls on the day.

      I’m not saying compulsory is better, but with non compulsory voting — Voter ID — fixed rolls and paper ballots are a must.

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        The Depraved and MOST Deplorable (and still asleep) Vlad the Impaler

        Given the state of the mess, I’m not sure ‘compulsory voting’ is a solution. One of the hallmarks of freedom is that one is free to make the choice to exercise (or not) their franchise.

        What this does show is that two main reforms are needed:

        * if you are going to be a voter, you must be required to show some fool-proof form of ID, and once you have voted, then you are not eligible to “vote” again. I would be in favor of everyone who registers to be issued an ID (other than our usual driver’s license) that can be easily re-issued when you move to a new residence. With today’s technology, it seems to me that we can find some solution that actually works, and cannot be forged. If I am wrong, I would appreciate comments and correctives.

        * ONLY a paper ballot, personally (and privately) marked by the voter is allowed. A national standard format, modified by each State, as needed, should be implemented. When an election judge (or judges, preferably, one from each major party, and who will agree to the final tally [this is how it is done in Wyoming; chain-of-custody is signed off by two judges, one Republican, and one Democrat, before the ballots and counts are delivered to the local County Clerk]) makes a determination of vote totals; the summary, along with the original ballots, is transmitted to the responsible officials, who will ultimately report the results.

        At no time is a single-party official, judge, observer allowed to be in charge of anything. Any time two “opposing” officials are NOT in attendance, the vote must be considered tainted. There’s way too much obvious fraud (invisible to G.A., Simon, and a few others … ) that has taken place here, and since we know the Demoncrats will NEVER try to reform any of the current procedures (since all these current practices benefit them), the only choice is to declare Barris as a fraud and barred from taking office (in perpetuity). Implement the reforms, and then let us see how a fair election would turn out. Anyone who thinks this November was any manner of unbiased, is making a conscious choice to believe a complete lie.

        Speaks to their character, and how much we should listen to them.

        My opinion, of course,

        Vlad

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          Kalm Keith

          Vlad,
          true that compulsory voting isn’t the primary solution to the election crisis but it does have some good points.

          The rest of what you say is a great statement of what should be and helps to emphasise the most important ingredient in the running of any election or life in general;

          Honesty.

          Any system can be corrupted and as we are seeing can be quite difficult to fix.

          KK

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            Binny Pegler

            An effective method of producing ‘Unquestionable’ elections was thought of generations ago. Unfortunately this has lead to complacency and ‘unquestionable’ has become ‘unquestioned’.
            I think right now I think we’re at the point the church was 20 years ago.
            Ok some of our priest are ‘kiddy fiddlers’ – But We’re the church, don’t you dare question us.

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          Chrism

          Voting , actually, is not compulsory – turning up and having your name crossed off (or applying for a postal vote : to your registered residential address) is what is compulsory : what you do with your piece of ballot paper is up to you : you can ‘vote’ or not : a small price to pay to reduce these appalling risks

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        Fuel Filter

        Well, Jo, we used to have that. I remember going to the polls with my Mom early in the afternoon (Dad voted when he go home from work around 6 PM). All paper ballots, neighborhood poll (right across the street) and we had the results starting at midnight, being in Los Angeles (NO TV nor radio coverage until ALL polls closed) so no coverage could influence votes.

        And yes, even though that neighbor knew all of us from way back, Mom and Dad STILL had to show a picture ID.

        So, it works IF it’s done the way it should be.

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          Analitik

          Funny how lots of things that used to work in the past have been abandoned in the name of “progress”

          Coal powered electricity plants is one. Back burning is another one that comes to mind. Selection on merit. I could go on.

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        Peter C

        My recent letter to the Minister for Finance (who is responsible for the Federal Election Commission):

        As Minister responsible for the Australian Electoral Commission could you do something to improve the integrity of our electoral processes.

        Cheating in our elections has been going on for many years. This report is from 7 years ago.

        https://www.news.com.au/national/police-investigate-multiple-votes-in-2013-federal-election-one-person-voted-15-times/news-story/907b4e88c5ebb89880b45f4f88e92b50

        Despite many examples of voters voting more than once there has not been a single prosecution for electoral fraud! If old people in Nursing homes are voting multiple times, it is likely because they are being manipulated and their votes harvested by political activists.

        Since then we have had whole boxes of votes going missing. No one was punished. It is time that the Electoral Commission staff were made more accountable.

        In the last two elections there has been a lot more voting prior to election day. The Electoral Commission has encouraged that. People are supposed to have a reason to vote early, but I have not been asked what my reason was and neither was anyone else that I observed.

        I think it is time for voter ID. I have spoken to a few electoral officials and they think there is a problem about people voting using someone else’s identity.

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        sophocles

        A. C Grayling in his analysis Democracy and it’s Crisis [2017]
        ISBN 978-1-78607-289-4 or
        eISBN 978-1-786070-290-0

        makes 7 recommendations:
        (His recommendations are worth serious consideration.
        I listed these in the last two or three months.)

        To reiterate:

        1. There should be complete transparency about which individuals and which organizations are involved in the election campaigning, on what basis and by what methods.

        2. There should be complete transparency about the funding involved in an election campaign, not just in the period of the campaign itself but in the research and development of all methods used in campaigning and a cap on it.

        3. The press must be subject to strict fact-check monitoring, and stiff fines levied for purveying deliberate misinformation.

        4. Betting on the outcome should be banned, and polling should cease for a period before voting takes place.

        5. Voting should be compulsory for all citizens and the voting age should be sixteen. Civic education on the political and governmental system should be obligatory in schools for pupils aged fourteen and above.

        6. It is essential first-past-the-post electoral systems are replaced with an adequate proportional representation system.

        7. The party discipline system of `whipping’ should be impermissible for any matters other than election manifesto commitments. This would end the `elective dictatorship’ of the Westminister system executive.

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        bobn

        Compulsory voting must have the option on the ballot – None of the above. – to be acceptable.
        Must be able to vote – I hate you all!

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          Mike Jonas

          You can write ‘none of the above’ on the voting form in Australia, or anything else. Or you can just bin it. They say voting is compulsory in Australia, but you only have to show up, you don’t have to actually vote.

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            Kalm Keith

            Yes, and showing up means it is less likely that someone can get away with voting for you.
            It also is a good test for the electoral rolls.

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        Richard Jenkins

        Jo how are our voter rolls auditted? Therotically we advise the AEC by the due date. How quick is the births and deaths register adjusted? When a name votes twice or more often the offender uses a victim’s name. Accused because you voted twice only shows that your name was stolen. It often happens. Wisely reporting it on MSM is avoided because it would only promote this abuse. The census has a large error margin. Our population data does not include illegals, hidden people and dumb mistakes. An authoriy advised me that our count error could be + or – as much as 5%. On election fraud there were sufficient roll checks to change the result if the illegals were spread across the close seats Hewson would have beaten Keating. We would not have had the Howard blessing. Howard had the late great John Daly address all the coalition pollies. Hewson seems to have lost objective scientific reasoning. Perhaps it has been beter for the nation long term that Keating disposed Hewson. Our system is flawed. ALP quote, “Vote early, vote often.

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Without compulsory voting well organised minorities can get elected easily. We saw that a few years back when NSW abolished compulsory voting in local government (for the purpose of breaking the ALP’s hold on the Sydney City Council).

        They achieved that objective, but we saw some bizarre results around the state.

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      Kalm Keith

      In our egalitarian society the right to have your say in who runs the ship for the next few years is a privilege that most countries around the world don’t offer.

      The small issue of “compulsory” voting not only makes people aware of the obligation to vote but reinforces the principle that we are all contributing on a daily basis to that society.

      Compulsory voting also puts greater emphasis on maintenance of voters rolls and entitlement to vote and ensures that last minute enrollments don’t happen.

      But nothing’s perfect and corruption will always be around.

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      Chris

      Australia doesn’t actually have compulsory voting. What we have is compulsory turning up at the voting station, having your name ticked off the electoral roll and receiving the ballot papers. Once inside the voting cubicle you can draw happy faces all over the ballot paper or write nothing at all, you then fold it up and put it in the box. This is counted as an informal vote ie no vote. If you fail to have your name ticked off, you will receive a fine in the mail three weeks later. In Australia there is no way anyone can identify how you vote.

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        Kalm Keith

        Yes.
        And that’s the way it should be.

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        Chad

        Chris
        December 9, 2020 at 9:23 am ·
        ……… In Australia there is no way anyone can identify how you vote.

        I beg to differ on that. Fo some situations
        If you are out of your registered electorate on voting day, you have to , you have to do a “ out of area”. Vote…..which means your ballot paper is put in a sealed envelope and sent to your registered electorate ………with your personal voter reference number marked on it !
        So anyone so inclined could easily join the dots.

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    PeterS

    I still think Trump’s back-up plan is the Insurrection Act. He of course prefers the election fraud be resolved in the courts but given they are so badly infiltrated by the left leaning judges (including those who are supposedly are Republican supporters) there is the distinct possibility Trump will have no option but to act on the back-up plan, assuming he wants to remain POTUS and try to clean up the scum (emphasis on try).

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    Harry Passfield

    ‘You have no proof’ is rather like knowing a murder took place but you can’t find the body.
    What is needed here is a kind of ‘habeus corpus’ for the voting machines and data.
    ‘You want proof, then show us the body!’

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      Binny Pegler

      Yes I think with the voting machines the dodgy software was on the USBs not the machines themselves. Hench the ‘lost’ USB cards.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    It is likely, whether through courts, or careful research and reporting that is indisputable in a judicial sense on a factual basis, that it will be shown that in fact Mr. trump earned more votes in the electoral college than Mr. Biden. However, the venal left need only run out the clock, then claim, and they will, that Republican claims are false regardless of the so-called “evidence”, that Mr. Biden got many more popular vote which should be the true test, and that sore losers should shut up and take their medicine. Thes loud litanies have already begun.

    If the accounting process continues, however, and it is clear to nominally half the voters that they got screwed, and in patriot land it is emphasized that each indignity from government is another result of Democrat perfidy, anger will build.

    I don’t think there will be a unitary response. Democrats are much more the hive mind, and look to a leadership to march in lockstep to today’s token of wokeness.
    The Right is much more independent; this is part of the core of difference.

    Some will observe “any means necessary”? OK, Two can play that game. Redistricting, state legislation and resistance to federal regulation through state constitutional provisions,
    and general obstruction of left wing priorities will ramp up.

    Some will take the commercial approach. Business of, by, and for the politically compatible, insulated from federal government, and unwelcoming to the left. Numerous Private colleges and secondary school are broke, and pushed out by a rich but ineffective public sector. Campi purchased for 25 cents on the dollar will host a vibrant new conservative educational establishment, and the poverty clients of the left, desperate for real opportunity, will send their kids their in droves. We’ve seen this in the charter school school movement. Private schooling will be banned in a dozen states, except for the kids of the elite, and another 2% of the middle class will pull up stakes and move.

    Some will have reached the limit on personal indignity; There are liberal living in every town, and the folks whose kids have been sent home from school, who have been insulted on the job, who have seen their states toppled and their streets renamed, but who have quietly been the good Americans who don’t let politics get in the way of normal life, will start letting politics get in the way of normal life. From time to time you see on the TV news magazines the story of a flagrently liberal couple that moves to a small country town, and, and a brief period of adjustment, is accepted because {insert woke cliche’}. Suppose they are no longer accepted because they are wearing the uniform of what is now the enemy. There will be nothing overt in this response, but it will happen.

    Equally quietly, Jim Crow, overt segregation, will be replaced with James Blackbird. If a potential employee is likely unqualified due to affirmative action, or likely a lawsuit risk, or an agitator, or has an attitude difficult to deal with; there are plenty of others looking for jobs who will still insulate you from the idiocy of bureaucratic statistical attack; you can see it on the ground already in South Florida.

    This is classic assymetric warfare, necessary because the left has infiltrated, infested, captured, and corrupted most of our great institutions. We can build a new set; for most any residual of cultural trust they once had is consumed anyhow and leveraged to progressive causes: that’s what they do.

    So keep doing the work; the evidence now being sequestered by Democrats can probably be pried from them after the inauguration; a public will consider destruction or continued secrecy evidence of guilt. The Center left, especially those 10 to 20% traditional Democrats living in purple state realizing they are strangers in their own party are, I think,
    getting queasy stomaches at where the progressive leaders are taking them, and the COVID hypocracy of the leaders on the left has ended illusions.

    I think this kind of commercial/cultural revolution is more within the American tradition that martial law and the like.

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      The question then becomes what’s the remedy when sufficient election fraud to have flipped the election is proven (it’s already been discovered) after an illegitimate inauguration has already occurred?

      The results of the Senate run-offs in Georgia will be interesting. The polls and counting will be under so much scrutiny, if the left tries to cheat again, they will be caught in real time. If the Republican candidates win by a large margin, it will be clear and unambiguous evidence that significant cheating occurred during the Presidential election. Given how divisive politics has become, most people, even on the right, are now voting along party lines. I never used to, but I have ever since Obama’s extreme far left ideology de-legitimized the Democratic party leading it to select brain dead useful idiots as its candidates for office.

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        CO2 Not Evil sez:
        “The results of the Senate run-offs in Georgia will be interesting. The polls and counting will be under so much scrutiny, if the left tries to cheat again, they will be caught in real time.”

        I disagree.
        The Democrat goal in the general election was to get as many absentee ballots sent out as possible, and get as many of them back for Biden as possible.

        With little, if any, signature review, or other checks, to be sure the ballot was from a legal voter.

        If no one is punished for fraud in the November 3 election, which seems to be the case, then what incentive is there for less fraud in the January Georgia run-off?

        The COVID epidemic will still be an excuse for a huge number of absentee ballots, and ballot “watchers” will be forced to stand over six feet away from ballot “counters”, which is far from the optimum ‘over the shoulder’ viewing position.

        Two Democrat senators elected from Georgia is the difference between a powerful divided government, led by a Democrat president, and a very powerful government completely controlled by Democrats (except the Supreme Court).

        Less fraud in January 2021 ?

        I say there will be more fraud than ever before because it’s likely to work.

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    blaas

    “There’s no proof of election fraud say the people who won’t release the evidence.” I do not get it. When there ist no fraud, then there is also no evidence thereof.

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      Binny Pegler

      Year ago I heard a rumour that my neighbor was accusing me of branding his calves.
      I insisted that he come over to my place and attend our next muster.
      When we had finish I made sure he stated out loud, in front of the whole team that there were none of his calves on my place.
      (turned out that a third neighbor had been branding both our calves)
      When you have nothing to hide you lay everything out in front of your accuser.
      Actually before boundary fencing became the norm, it was the standard practice to invite all neighbors to send a representative whenever a muster was planned.
      Kind of like scrutineers at elections. Trust is best reinforced by a lack of trust.

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        Kneel

        “Trust is best reinforced by a lack of trust.”

        More like: Trust, but verify. That is, assume people are honest, just checking…

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      Neil Crafter

      Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    And a must video cameras recording the events and everyone knows this recordings are secured off site.

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    John F. Hultquist

    Jo ends the post with “The shifting mantra” – – 5 things (read them again)

    Unfortunately, I think these will win in the end for the Harris/Biden ticket.
    The best thing would be for Biden – great statesman, original thinker, and unifier** – to proclaim a botched election and that he does not want the job under such a dark cloud. He should insist on a do-over.
    Of course, such a thing is not possible.
    [ ** invoke Poe’s Law ]

    I suggest a world convocation of officials in charge of voting to come to Washington State and listen to Secretary of State Kim Wyman (a couple of other states can help) explain how a proper registration and mail-out voting system works. {We need not mail the form back; it can be dropped off, say in a box in front of a County court house.}
    Washingtonians see the shenanigans going on elsewhere and think “what are those crazy &*^%$# doing? ”

    _ _ _ _ _
    I’ll leave “compulsory” anything for a different topic.

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    Simon

    The Kraken really wa nothing more than a damp squid.
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sidney-powell-loses-2-kraken-lawsuits-in-one-day-in-georgia-michigan-2020-12?r=US&IR=T
    “The claims in the Kraken lawsuit prove to be as mythological as the creature for which they’re named,” said Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R).
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/529238-powell-appeals-dismissal-of-lawsuit-to-overturn-georgia-election-result

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      Kalm Keith

      Raffensperger, now where have we heard that name before?

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      sophocles

      So why do you think Texas has filed suits against WI(Wisconson), MI(Michigan), GA(Georgia), and PA(Pennsylvania) in the Supreme Court — this is SCOTUS, not any of the individual state supreme courts. and this is in the last 24 hours.

      With your obviously superior North American legal knowledge, US Constitutional custom and law, and intimate acquaintance with the evidence, we await your expert opinion.

      (There is a lot going on, which your sources, (the Legacy Media?) seems to be running well behind …)

      You’ll find some interesting commentary on
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5KdD0MbHag

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      Ted O'Brien.

      The commentariat scoffs at Trump’s “failed” suits.

      I see a purpose in every one of those rejected suits.

      If in the final event Trump comes out on top, every one of those suits will be implicated, and will stand to the eternal discredit of those who “failed” them.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Gosh – evidence that is hidden.

    Isn’t that what a subpoena (which applies to evidence as well as people) is for?

    You could ask exactly the same question about the assertions of dead people voting – ie show the evidence.

    That is why the courts have ruled 44-1 against – there is no evidence, there never was.

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      Peter C

      Richard Grenell, former acting Director of National Intelligence, points at the hypocrisy of people saying “you have no proof” while withholding the data and materials needed to prove that same thing. It’s just like climate science.

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      Broadie

      You may need to come out of the Echo Chamber and wash off the bile and spittle of the likes of ‘Planet America’ and ‘The Project’
      Subpoenas have been issued to Dominion executives and ignored. The Courts that would enforce these subpoenas have ruled the fraud claims to be dismissed. Those prior to the election, due to the fact no party being affected and after the elections due to too many voters would be affected.
      Citizens are following the trail to the dead voters and lodging affidavits.
      You may be wearing your mask a little high.

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      Peter Fitzroy
      December 9, 2020 at 5:09 am ·

      That is why the courts have ruled 44-1 against – there is no evidence, there never was.

      None of the courts have ruled on evidence,..they have simply refused to hear the cases !

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    Lawrie

    The only secure vote is the personal paper vote with voter ID and a way of ensuring one votes only once. It could easily be done. Closing of electoral rolls a month before the ballot is also a good move. I do note the Greens here are trying to get the cut off for enrollment closer to election day so 18 yo who have a birthday the day before can “have their say”. If the Greens want it it is wrong. I do believe you can enroll if you have proof you will be 18 on election day anyway. Having clean rolls is paramount. I do not agree with weeks of pre=polling either. Absentee votes are fine so long as they are received before voting day. It is very easy to ensure a fair vote. Last election here there were still several thousand (which is enough to change a close result) multiple votes. Voter ID is imperative. You have to show ID to go to a club but not to vote and that is crazy. There must be a way these days to flag that someone has voted and is then barred from a second or third. Those who do vote more than once just claim that someone else must have used my name. ID would prevent that excuse along with a sizeable fine. The ALP oppose the idea of course; I wonder why?

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    The shifting mantra

    There was no fraud,
    There was fraud but it’s not widespread,
    It’s not enough to change the election
    You can’t prove it (because we won’t give you the ballots to audit properly.)
    It’s too late to do anything now

    This is totally made up.

    I’ve not seen this in the media. Everywhere I look it is the first line and a bit of the second where someone of either party, was caught.

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      MP

      I know this is way off topic.

      Gee Aye, seems this is your field, could I trouble you to explain this to me Specifically page 42
      https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download.

      The analytical sensitivity of the rRT-PCR assays contained in the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019- nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel were determined in Limit of Detection studies. Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV were available for CDC use at the time the test was developed and this study conducted, assays designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA (N gene; GenBank accession: MN908947.2) of known titer (RNA copies/µL) spiked into a diluent consisting of a suspension of human A549 cells and viral transport medium (VTM) to mimic clinical specimen.

      This bit: assays designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA (N gene; GenBank accession: MN908947.2)

      Tried highlighting the bits, but won’t copy over

      Thanks in advance

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    Red Edward

    The whole SCOTUS ruling:

    “(ORDER LIST: 592 U.S.)TUESDAY, DECEMBER 8, 2020

    ORDER IN PENDING CASE 20 A98 KELLY, MIKE, ET AL. V. PENNSYLVANIA, ET AL.

    The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied.”

    Ebdeebdeebde. . . . That’s all folks!”

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      sophocles

      Ebdeebdeebde. … You’re wrong! and Premature! Tch. It’s just beginning. The State of Texas has filed suit against Michigan. Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania in the US Supreme Court (SCOTUS) in the last 24 hrs. Now, why would Texas do that?

      You will find analysis and commentary at
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5KdD0MbHag

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        sophocles

        Update: (already!)

        A heap of other states have added themselves to, or joined the Texas suits (30/31? states) It’s getting bigger.

        We’ll know tomorrow, probably.
        Georgia has reported a high level of popular pressure on the Governor and Secretary of State for a
        a Fixit Special Session. The RINOs, seem to be resisting but `We, The People’ may get their way.

        It’s Interesting Times for sure …

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      Chrism

      Red Edward
      The whole SCOTUS ruling:

      “(ORDER LIST: 592 U.S.)TUESDAY, DECEMBER 8, 2020

      ORDER IN PENDING CASE 20 A98 KELLY, MIKE, ET AL. V. PENNSYLVANIA, ET AL.

      The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied.”
      Is this ‘rolled’ or not seen because the Texas action which is in relation to the same effefctive claim, but as it is inter-state has a primacy, as SCOTUS has exclusive jurisdiction and the effective appeal can’t be heard at the same time?

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    This is a pitiful case that smacks of desperation.
    texas has no standing to complain about election rules in other states.

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