It’s a 1775 moment says Vivak Ramaswamy — but the deep state “is a machine we are up against”

By Jo Nova

Vivek Ramaswamy has a plan. It’s quite something to listen to. He has an extraordinary combination of skills.

This is a man who is only 38, and has studied molecular biology*, made millions in biotech, understands Big Pharma, but he’s also done a law degree at Yale. He is that rarest of combinations — the CEO who understand biology and science, and the lawyer who reads the constitution, and the investor who has played and won on Wall Street. He is all of these things.

I’ve never heard a Presidential candidate speak like this — with an eight year plan grounded in the legal foundations of the nation. He knows employment laws make individuals unsackable, but whole departments can be razed. Nothing can stop the President from dismantling the FBI if he wants to. Ramaswamy is already assembling a team, picking the players. He can list what he will get done by 2033 when he leaves office and his youngest starts high school.

Last week I played a small extract of this interview with Shawn Ryan — where Ramaswamy described how the FDA is captured by Big Pharmaceutical firms. ( “Big Pharma is the worlds biggest lobbying organisation”)  But the whole interview is compelling and I’ve listened to interviews before about his books, about Woke Inc, about Strive (the Capital Fund he set up that runs counter to BlackRock and ESG) but this is  about Ramaswamy himself, and his plan for the US, the Deep State and this strange moment in history.  As the child of Indian immigrants he can explain what makes America Great better than many Americans can.

His role in this campaign will surely change it — his competitors must be listening to interviews like this, taking notes.

“It’s a machine that we are up against”

Ramaswamy describes the Deep State as a machine which needs puppets to represent them  — the people we elect to run the government are not the ones who run the government. It’s no accident we have a gerontocracy, he says. It’s designed to be that way. The real laws of this country are not made in Congress, they’re made in the halls of bureaucracy.

The machine in the Monster that we have created. There are many good individuals doing what they think is a good job inside the machine. The waterfall of power flows from the President to the administrative state, to executives in social media, to managers in third party firms to AI. The decisions are not even being made by humans. The AI has learnt to spot US Flags in social media as a risk factor.

We the People cannot be Trusted to run the country

In the old world, Ramaswamy says, people got together in smoky rooms in the back of Palace Halls to decide how to run countries. Now it’s the enlightened elite making these decisions. We the People cannot be Trusted to run the country and decide about issues like climate change or racial injustice. The real divide now is not Republican or Democrat, it is between the managerial class and the citizen.

We fought a revolution to say Hell No to that theory and that We The People in this constitutional republic must be the ones who decide.

Now that old monster is rearing its head again, he says, except this time the power is diffused. We might think the power is at the back of a three-letter-government building in Washington DC, but there’s no smoking hall there. Maybe the power lies at the corner office of BlackRock, but it’s not quite there either. Instead the power is woven into a machine of the managerial class. It’s very hard to identify. It’s very pervasive…

It’s a two hour interview. You can convert it to Mp3 and listen as you jog, drive or cook. It was compelling starting from 3 mins in.

*Molecular biology is my favourite science — it’s not possible to understand the human condition, life, viruses, medicine and biotechnology without it.

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134 comments to It’s a 1775 moment says Vivak Ramaswamy — but the deep state “is a machine we are up against”

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    eb

    I too, like a lot of what Ramaswamy has too say. But, like RFK Jr, he’s too radical and will not be allowed to win.

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    william x

    It’s the enlightened elite making these decisions. We the People cannot be Trusted to run the country and decide about issues like climate change or racial injustice.

    OK. My reply from this humble serf to the the self appointed elite:

    It is the politicians and elite that cannot be trusted to run the country and decide about issues like climate change or racial injustice.

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      Steve4192

      They don’t care what the proles think. And they won’t until the proles decide to stop obeying and become ungovernable.

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        Memoryvault

        Spot on, Steve. And it won’t end well.

        Realistically there are only two possible outcomes from where we are now – the proles end up owning nothing and learning to pretend they are happy about it, or mob rules and a lot of elites and their sycophants end up hanging from power poles.

        There will be no trials, we are way past that point.

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          ianl

          My suggestion, as always, is to continually doxx the upper levels of the various bureaucracies. Politicians too, although they come and go so frequently that there is little consequence to them – but the ever-present bureaucrats …

          This is the only aspect they are truly frightened of. It’s the prime reason behind the “internet control” act currently going through the Aus Parliament. Protection – for them.

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      Robert Swan

      william x,

      trusted to run the country

      It’s popular to describe various high politicians as “running the country” (and the US President is often described as “leading the free world” — sheesh): a pretty simplistic view.

      What “levers” does the US President have physically in his grasp? I suppose, when he’s in a room with another head of state, he could sock him in the kisser, but pretty well *all* his other powers are mediated by bureaucrats. Didn’t the Trump experience amply demonstrate that the President is only able to do what the bureaucracy allows him to do?

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        Bruce

        Finally, someone who “gets it”.

        “Government” implies that some process or other, is “smoothed out”, by ‘adjusting” various functions, in order to prevent “shut-down” or “runaway / explosion”.

        In the field of human endeavour, the “dead hand” of “government is almost invariably applied to reduce the risk of “exceptoionalism”. See also; Lopping the Tall Poppies”.

        “Ruling”, be it by a dictator or “Triumvirate, etc, Is invariably a pathway to oblivion, UNLESS there is an “agreed” system of mutually-agreed checks and balances. The last couple of centuries are replete with examples.

        As George Washington put it:

        “Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master”.

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        Robert if you listen to the interview, Ramaswamy talks about the powers of the Executive Office and what a President IS able to do. He argues that Trump was advised that he could not do things which he could have.

        I urge people to listen to the interview. I’m sure Donald Trump has heard it, and that may be part of the point of Ramaswamy running.

        Any president without training in the Constitution or in Molecular Biology (most of them) could be bluffed by an advisor with ill intent in legal matters or medical jargon. That President, in theory, could then seek a second advisor or a third advisor, but what if they didn’t realize they needed that? Someone like Ramaswamy would be harder to bluff, but it’s also fair to say that after what the nation has been through in the last three years, that surely there would be a time for people who can see through the lies to stand up and speak out?

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          Robert Swan

          Jo,
          I have downloaded the interview, but not listened yet. I have heard him in other interviews and he is impressive.

          However, when you say that he talks about “what a President IS able to do”, my point is that those powers are simply *orders* he can make. Most of those orders pass through multiple middlemen, each of whom can quibble, delay, or say “Yes sir!” and simply ignore.

          My hope is in ordinary people saying they’ve had enough, not in a messiah (be it Trump, DeSantis or Ramaswamy).

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    James Murphy

    Far too many times have I seen this “he (or she) is The One”, you know, like every bit of weaponry sent to Ukraine is a “game changer”, every book or article exposing AGW fraud, every article exposing the futility of “renewables”…

    Australia has had its share of silver-tongued political hopefuls, and I’m not sure we are better off because of them, or in spite of them, or if indeed, they made any positive changes.

    I haven’t completely given up on the idea that the USA can get someone even vaguely competent in the top job, but nor am I holding my breath that this guy is really in it to serve the people of his country.

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      James Murphy

      It is true though, that we do tend to want a candidate that ticks every box and promises to solve all our woes, rather than accepting one that ticks a few boxes and only seems marginally more trustworthy than the usual politician.

      Maybe this guy is the best of a bad bunch, I mean, could he actually be worse than Biden or Harris?

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      Old Goat

      James,
      Without accountability they can all lie with impunity . Makes it hard to pick who will hurt you the least….

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      KP

      Trump was your hope for America, The Fish and Chips lady for Australia, Bob the Builder the man for NZ… All the outliers that get crucified by those in the club and blocked from any action by the bureaucrats are the ones.

      Forget any that seem ‘mainstream but going to do a good job cleaning the place up’, they are the targets the elites want you to see.

      Democracy is a failed experiment, the sooner its gone the better.

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        Jaye

        I was going to give you a green tick…until I saw your comment about Democracy.

        If you want to live under an authoritarian regime, move to North Korea, Venezuela or China. If you can’t afford that (hah!), move to Danistan.

        Democracy may not be perfect, but it beats the alternative. Socialism/Communism is the failed experiment about which the left keep saying, “that wasn’t real Socialism…” The best thing Marx ever did was die.

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      GlenM

      I would prefer Trump to contest and win the 2024 election but that may not be possible. He leads massively in the Republican nomination race, but what would it take to beat the malevolent forces that surely be arranged against him? Ramaswamy and Desantis make the right noises but are they in sheeps clothing. It is hard to tell but having listened to Ramaswamy he certainly speaks a lot of sense. Just remember that democracy is an illusion.

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        robert rosicka

        If Trump decided to campaign for Ramaswamy that would be a winning combo .

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          Brad

          Won’t ever happen, Vivek is a WEF shill, just like RDS. Anything to break the MAGA line.

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            Rupert Ashford

            If you’re American (and particularly The Donald and the MAGA movement) you need to hedge your bets and have a back-up candidate as there’s no guarantee what extremes The Swamp will go to, to stop Trump. And at the moment it’s a fight to the death – I still think RDS is a viable candidate that needs to be kept in the race in case…

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              Listen to the interview before you speak guys

              Vivek is the biggest Trump supporter there is among the Rep contenders. He is not there to split the vote. He is the one that makes the anti-Trumpers look extra silly and self-serving.

              He was the first to unequivocally raise his hand in the Debate when asked if he would support Trump, even if Trump was found guilty as charged. Vivek said absolutely he would still support Trump saying something like — we don’t want to live in a country where the leading opposition candidate is charged with crimes and sent to jail.

              There are many roles for people running for President — and the discussion about the Presidential contenders needs to recognise that these are all possible aims:

              1. To support another candidate.
              2. To run for VP.
              3. To change the national debate. To raise awareness on an issue that would otherwise be ignored.
              4. To be a back up if there is an assassination.
              5. To be a spoiler / splitter / fragmenter
              6. For ego, self aggrandisement, notoriety and fame
              7. For money and profit
              8. Because they see their country disintegrating and want to do something…

              By running, Vivek is shining a light on the deepest layers of corruption there is. He’s putting the idea of razing the FBI on the agenda. He’s put the FDA, Net Zero, Pension Funds, bankers, and Big Pharma on the block too.

              I hope the man has good bodyguards.

              Hypothetically, if there was a guy who said all the things a climate and government skeptic wanted, wouldn’t we feel a bit silly if we fell for vague accusations of “shill” or “puppet” which would be just what BlackRock, the FDA, President Xi, the EU and Nancy Pelosi wanted?

              We should be alert to the possibilities, but where is the evidence?

              Remember the WEF said Vivek was “one of theirs” and he took them to court to retract that, because it wasn’t true, and to promise they would not do that to any one else, and he won.

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                MP

                He was actually listed as a graduate of the WEF young global leaders. He sued, or emailed a mate? (I can find nothing about suing other than “he said”)
                Not a good look when the platform you’re pretending to stand on is anti WEF, got to bleach that from the internet, though they left the Spanish version to the WEF back slapping up and bleached the English version.

                “We need to be careful of our bias just because it’s what we want to hear”
                (Quote from Jo Nova)

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                MP

                MSNBC interview with the Swammy, done by some twit, the interview itself is pathetic but it does show some light.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFPpag70ptU

                I tried to find the original, but I got this.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk31VKgyDwc

                Pretty sure this Swammy dude keeps phoning threatening to disconnect my NBN.

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                bobn

                Vivek has indicated he’d play vice to a Trump President. That looks good – some real brains behind the Trump brawn.

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                John Galt III

                Trump is a phony and I voted for him twice. If it is Trump vs Biden I will vote for him again but not happily.

                DeSantis is the real deal and Trump spends all his time lying about the Florida Governor.

                Maybe Trump gets a heart attack or runs out of money for his lawyers.

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        Stephen Robinson

        Interesting that so many commenters are totally unsure of anybody who Mouths the “right” words. As if they are just platitudes to quiet the masses. Oh how our elite leaders have fallen in the eyes of the people.

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    Saighdear

    Well now, the Deep state, Big pharma, and so on. All these Stealth measures. It is raining here, in what is supposed to be another Record-breaking spell of heat in the UK, so reading what’s on my Desk: PAPER DRONES .. from a kiddies’ POV what’s wrong with that, BUT it’s just another case of hijacking simple concepts “for the greater good of …” like all those Vaccinations we have been getting, eh? So from all the Posts Jo has kindly done here, and the many responses, is this Australian development really in the National Interest ?
    Many of us think there should be an OliverCromwell moment once again in the UNITED kingdom, as another Neil said it was no use joining the system in the swamp to get rid of the Rats, you’d soon be so overwhelmed and adjusted to that smell you wouldn’t eventually know the difference: ie succumb to the power of £$£$. Maybe then we should ALL be frightened of these silent paper objects.
    Sticks n Stones … may take on a new meaning : Processed wood and ….. ( do I have to spell it out? ) will more than break your bones, but Woke names will never harm you.

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      KP

      “The fact that we’ve got a technology being developed in Australia, which has use in theatre, is something we should all feel proud about ”

      He’s not talking about an operating theatre, or a picture theatre, he’s keen that we produce weapons to kill people.

      Then you’d have to ask, who is he protecting, the average Joe to whom it doesn’t matter who is in power, or to the current elites who are keen to send the average Joes off to fight against other elites?

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        Saighdear

        as you so rightly say “the current elites who are keen to send the average Joes off to fight against other elites?” Did ANYONE hear the Trumpets sound this message?

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    John Connor II

    Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

    Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: the neocons will NEVER allow an outsider to win the rigged 2024 elections and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

    Klaus Schwab: The first utopia I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche.

    Plagiarised and tweaked from The Architect, The Matrix Reloaded…

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    Len

    Vivek attended Unversity with funding from Paul Soros, George’s older brother. Vivek bought a failed drug. He marketed it and build up quite a considerable amount of capital. The business venture failed and he retain a huge amount of money with his mother.

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      Vivek explains in this interview Big Pharma moves as a herd, unwilling to take risks outside the current fashionable “thing” in pharmaceuticals. He picks up some of the drugs they leave behind which have unproven but promising results and sometimes has brought them to market. Evidently he has made hundreds of millions off his biotech investments.

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        Rupert Ashford

        Quite right about the herd mentality. And Pfizer (just because they’re the biggest depending on what criteria you use) is able to bully some smaller players and they just go along with it.

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      Lucky

      That a Soros brother contributed to university students’ costs is good. A situation like that arose in the life of Richard Feynman, ( I am reading the bio.)
      The general statement is that merits of a person should not be used as weapons against them or anyone.

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    MrGrimNasty

    Whatever you thought of Liz Truss, she was definitely deliberately ousted by the hidden powers in bureaucracy and finance. But I doubt she was the first.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12497589/Who-really-runs-Britain-Liz-Truss-returns-political-fray-ANDREW-PIERCE-reveals-inside-story-driven-Prime-Minister-Blob.html

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    ExWarmist

    “Diffuse power,” sounds like culture to me. The managerial class have a common culture that encodes specific values, expectations, behaviours, etc. Hence their capacity to work towards the same goals without obvious means of co-ordination.

    They are always ‘on board.’ They believe they are right, and the have quite a lot of real-world power.

    I think their weakness is hubris and over-reach, and an inability to truly question their own values, methods and goals. I.e. a lack of self-reflection.

    That said, I think the primary means of disrupting them is to continuously represent opposing cultural values, methods, etc.

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    Honk R Smith

    Is the Deep State just an American phenom?
    COVIDenom displayed an internationally coordinated … hate to say it … conspiracy.
    Sadly, I think the Pandemic had many political purposes, one of the primary being the removal of Orange Man.*
    OZ and NZ (the Cannucks have no one to blame but themselves and the Brits are just weird, the French forget it) …
    should not have had to suffer to the cause of the Stop Orange Man counter offensive … so I am sorry.

    But you already had the Net Zero cluster fox in play, so I guess it wasn’t a stretch to pile Orange/COVID hysteria on top.

    Having lived worked in the DS Capital I would observe a few things.
    1. ‘They’ and their MSM and celebrity sycophants have utter contempt for the Great American Unwashed … or in other words, those that grow and deliver their food and fight in their endless wars.

    Uh … it’s a list of one.

    If somehow the Orange is re-‘elected’ … which I believe ‘they’ cannot and will not allow …
    Fedtifa and a resurected BLM will burn every major city in every Blue state. Complete with staged combat between Fedtifa and Fedsupremacists forces.

    No wories Ozzians, we’ll keep making high quality nuke subs.

    *(as we all know, AGW is about creating a supra national legal framework for Global (Deep State) totalitarianism. COVID restrictions and mandates were a major offensive in that campaign. The biggest obstacle to Klaustopia is the US Constitution. It should be noted that a US Governor has just used a ‘Health Emergency’ to ‘temporarily’ suspend the 2nd Amendment in her state.)
    https://jonathanturley.org/2023/09/09/new-mexico-governor-suspends-gun-rights-in-albuquerque-for-public-health-emergency/

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      Steve4192

      “Is the Deep State just an American phenom?”

      Absolutely not. America was fairly unique in that it didn’t have one up until about 100 years ago (when Woodrow Wilson’s progressive movement began the slow slide into rule by bureaucracy). Most of the Old World countries and their diaspora colonies have bureaucracies that stretch back to the days of Empire.

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    Uber

    America has a very Disney view of its rather unnecessary war against England in which a bunch of rich guys sided with the enemy and caused the slaughter of thousands. Then of course they persecuted the opposition, and the whole mess eventually led to a bloody civil war that they are still fighting. If Ramaswamy was smart he would know this, so he comes across to me as a bit fske. More the typical American salesman. If Americans are smart they will stick with salesmen Trump, because MAGA us bigger than Trump.

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      Annie

      There’s something about Ramaswamy that I distrust.

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        Would be good to know why Annie? Can you put your finger on it?

        We all must stay skeptical, and no single person is the answer to everything.

        As candidates go, it’s hard to imagine a better mix…he’s an outspoken climate skeptic, calls the FDA and Big Pharma corrupt, set up anti-BlackRock type fund, wrote a whole book exposing how big funds use ESG to make political changes, doesn’t seem to favour censorship and rarely says a bad thing about Trump (which is the only respectable position for a Rep who might want to pick up Trump voters sometime).

        I know some of his foreign policy points have raised a few red flags but at least he appears to want less war rather than more.

        FWIW, he says he is Christian.

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          Brenda Spence

          He says he is Hindu

          Vivek Ramaswamy: I’m Hindu but share ‘same values’ as Christians

          https://www.newsnationnow.com/religion/vivek-ramaswamy-religion-hindu-christians-politics/

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            Steve

            What does his religion, colour and sexual preferences have to do with regard to his qualifications for running the melting pot that is the USA ?
            Can he do the job.

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              Earl

              Because all those factors influence HOW he is likely to react to and address the task(s) he is required to address in order to do the job.

              When the British Lions toured NZ in 1971 “round the corner” ball kicking of goals became the focus courtesy of Barry John. He gained the nickname “King” and the All Blacks loses were put down to his cunningly devised “new” kicking method.

              Barry was asked in an interview how he had developed this style of kicking in preference to the standard universal “toe poke” style. Barry replied that the first ball he kicked as a child was a soccer ball and he was taught to kick that with his instep. No cunningly devised plan, no devilish research using scientific equations of distance velocity and projection…. it was the way he had been shown, the way that was most comfortable for him and was basically just second nature “normal” for him. That was just “how” he kicked goals.

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          Old Goat

          Jo,
          Like Elon he is too good to be true . If he is what he claims to be he won’t get elected . My trust has to be earned .

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            Is it possible we-the-skeptical are as good as our enemies are at making sure we will never get what we want?

            If someone offers things we can criticize we criticize them. If someone offers what we want, we criticize them.

            Vivek is risking his career in Biotech, possibly his life to take on the Intelligence Agencies and the financial houses. Doesn’t that risk earn him something? Perhaps just an hour of your time to listen?

            After twenty years of listening to RINO’s support carbon fear and hoping someone would stand up to it, isn’t it good to have another voice calling it out? Calling it a religion, unashamedly with no qualifiers?

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              Old Goat

              Jo,
              Elon was hailed as a “champion of free speech” but has hired the odious Linda Yaccarino as CEO for X . Vivek came out of nowhere because like many others he saw a power vacuum and thought he could exploit it . All he is doing is pointing out what so many people have known for some time and isn’t secret (and he’s not the only one….).
              I have listened to what he has said and agree with much of it , but do not believe he can do much if he gets in . The financial houses own him like all the others . I would be more concerned about you as you are a soft target . To quote Orwell “telling the truth is a revolutionary act”.

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          GlenM

          Maybe too radical to be true. Maybe his teeth are too white. Great matters for consideration.

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          Annie

          I can see all that Jo. When I heard him speak, he was quite impressive. When I saw him speak, my BS radar came into operation and it was nothing to do with his background. It was his manner and too many white teeth grimacing in a parody of a smile. He’s so ‘plausible’ that he is actually implausible to me.

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            And those gut instincts matter Annie, which is why I’m asking. I don’t get that when I listen to him.

            On the topics I know like molecular biology and biochemistry — where other politicans offer vaporous nothing, I hear Vivek unpacking medical corruption in a class of his own. So far I have not heard him “go vague”, blather, dissemble or balk on those topics in a way that raised the hairs on my neck. Perhaps it will get to that point, but so far he speaks congruently — just like someone who understands the flaws of medical experiments and patents would speak.

            Now if he was blathering about legal issues, I would not be able to detect that necessarily. I’m hoping that other people in the audience here can pick up any incongruence in what he says. Does what he says about the constitution makes sense?

            If he is a puppet or a spoiler, we need to know. But I’m struggling to even think of an industry, a class, a beneficiary that benefits from what he is exposing.

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            bobn

            Its the American way. The yanks love their hairspay and whitened teeth and face-creams and precision eyebrow plucking. They love to emote and make it all bigger and more effusive. Just got to realise – they’re Yanks – they dont follow the sarcastic, deshivelled, drabness of we anglo-saxons.
            Yanks think Las Vegas and New York are peak culture; we think they are hilarious because its so over the top bad taste.
            Vivek is a Yank, but seems to also have a good brain and some awareness. Remarkable.

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        Lance

        “During a Twitter spaces discussion yesterday presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy said he was in favor of re-engaging the U.S. in the (Obama) TPP trade agreement. This is a non-starter for any America First economic platform.” … “Vivek is Asia first, not America first”

        The TPP locks America into a blanket trading agreement with China, India, Asia. The better solution is to have bi-lateral agreements, separately, with each country so that the specifics are tailored to US interests, not chaining the US to a multilateral agreement.

        https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/29/vivek-ramaswamy-aligns-with-mcconnell-desantis-club-for-growth-and-wall-street-promoting-u-s-to-reenter-tpp-trade-agreement/

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          Forrest Gardener

          I would have thought that bilateral agreements would be best if the specifics were tailored to the interests of BOTH countries.

          Agreements which favour US interests are unlikely to be balanced in power or effect.

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            Lance

            In bilateral agreements, there is no agreement unless both parties agree. Each party seeks their own best interests. Whatever result happens, if any, by definition, was in the best interests of both countries.

            The TPP is a multilateral agreement. To modify that agreement, the US needs ALL parties to agree to any change or no change happens. That puts the US at a great disadvantage. It is a terrible deal for the US. Any of the multiple parties can hold the US hostage in any negotiation.

            Agreements which do not favour US interests are not any more desirable to the US than AU entering into agreements that are not in AU interests.

            Why would ANY nation enter into agreements that are not in their own interests? Why would any agreement be entered into if multiple parties can scuttle any change? Do you think that China would enter into a multilateral agreement with US, AU, GE, IL, UK , wherein China would be held hostage to the mandatory agreement of all the signatories? Your justification is unclear. Multilateral agreements are not in the best interests of anyone. Bilateral agreements can be more easily involved, resolved, or eliminated, without affecting other agreements.

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              Forrest Gardener

              Yes, I know the theory of bilateral agreements and the rhetoric which accompanies them.

              I am also familiar with the reality that not all agreements are genuine meetings of the minds. There are many where the signature is stained with tears.

              Hence my comment about agreements being unlikely to be balanced in power or effect.

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        Hanrahan

        Point taken. He must keep a profile for another four years so people can get to know him. ATM he is an unknown and people won’t vote for that.

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    John Hultquist

    On his Wikipedia page there is a section called Political Positions. This is worth reading. Then there is this:
    “Although Ramaswamy has said he is not a climate denier, he said in a Republican primary debate that “the climate change agenda is a hoax” and falsely asserted that “more people are dying from climate policies than actual climate change”.
    Note the “falsely asserted

    All the rest may (or not) be true, but anything about climate on Wikipedia is more than likely false.

    Still, I hope he shakes up the election and gets people thinking.

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    Petros

    Americans will not vote in an Indian as their president. Dream on.

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      James Murphy

      Arguably, they didn’t vote in the corrupt geriatric warmonger they have now, either…

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      David Maddison

      Americans will not vote in an Indian as their president. Dream on.

      Why not?

      It’s only the Left who have a deep hatred of non-white African-American or brown conservatives. Look how they treat people like Dinesh D’Souza, Candace Owens, Larry Elder, Allen West, Ben Carlson, etc.. Strangely they leave Thomas Sowell mostly alone, probably because he’s an intellectual, not a political activist.

      There should be no impediment for conservatives electing an African-American or Indian ethnicity conservative President.

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      Skepticynic

      Americans will not vote in an Indian as their president

      Yet they resoundingly voted in a Kenyan.

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    David Maddison

    A few points.

    -Vivek is saying the right things. No argument there. He is also pro-science.

    -The Left are NOT worried about the possibility of Vivek winning, they are only worried about Trump winning (even though there will be more fraudulent voting than last time and planned covid lockups to secure more mail-in votes for the Demon-rats).

    -It worries me that the Left/Deep State are not concerned about a Vivek win. Do they think they can control him like all non-Trump candidates?

    -I would like to see Trump run and win to partially correct the injustice of the last election being fraudulently stolen from him.

    -I think the ideal situation would be for Trump to take Vivek as VP (even though Vivek said he would be no one’s VP) which would allow him to prove himself.

    -As a VP, Trump could give Vivek special responsibilities to dismantle certain parts of the Deep State and other jobs. There is too much work for Trump alone to do in the next Presidency. Traditionally the VP is only a spare President but there is no reason they can’t do something useful apart from opening ceremonies for new buildings etc..

    -As VP Vivek could prove himself. Remember, people thought Pence could be trusted, then at the very end, he couldn’t be. If Vivek proves himself he can be President for two terms after Trump.

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    Zigmaster

    I think he would make a great vice president especially if Trump is president. Trump is the home grown American nationalist whilst Ramaswamy is the migrant American nationalist.The world needs those who fight against the globalist elites and as a pair they would be formidable.
    His age makes him appeal to any young voter sharing an ambition to succeed who have gone through an academic indoctrination which has made them vulnerable to being compliant and subservient to those who want to control us. I suspect he will have appeal to a different group of voters to Trump who has most appeal with seniors.

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    MP

    Don’t listen to what he say’s, judge him by what he has done.

    He is Pharma. And WEF muppet.
    Founder of Vant Industries, Roivant (a subsidiary) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roivant_Sciences partnered with China to form Sinovant https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/sinovant-sciences/people has three employees. Looks more like a money laundering scam, or a means of getting funds injected into your political campaign.
    He is against Big Pharma if you listen to his words, but he partnered with Pfizer, https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/roivant-and-pfizer-form-new-vant-company-focused-developing if you look at his actions.

    He speaks out against institutional Bankers except https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/roiv/institutional-holdings ,Largest holder is QVT Financial https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/institutional-portfolio/qvt-financial-lp-635267 Largest holder in QVT Financial shares is Roivant.

    Vant and its subsidiaries are into Gene therapy.

    This may open in Spanish but a box to translate to English should appear in the top right.
    https://es.weforum.org/agenda/2017/06/vivek-ramaswamy-el-emprendedor-que-funda-su-quinta-empresa-biotecnologica/

    This short clip explains him.
    https://twitter.com/MattAttack009_/status/1695123026939953661?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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    Honk R Smith

    If any of you have an elderly relative in need of assisted living …
    perhaps you should consider finding them a seat in the US Congress.
    Admission is expensive, but initial investment pays off quickly, with potential benefits for relatives.
    Plus, the US Congress assisted living facility has an uncanny ability to increase life expectancy.

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      Forrest Gardener

      I definitely want to know what medications or therapy they are using on the White House resident.

      Imagine if that was available to all dementia sufferers!

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    Neville

    Vivak is a show pony and anyway he hasn’t a chance to become the Republican candidate.
    But he’s correct about their CC idiocy and their choice of wasting trillions of $ on crazy TOXIC unreliables is definitely a verifiable HOAX.
    And big business and unions + climate loonies etc are now telling the Albo govt that we should WASTE another 100 billion $ on the TOXIC W & S lunacy ASAP.
    Yes they definitely want the Aussie taxpayers to WASTE this fortune so they can make a killing and not have to carry the financial risk when the crap inevitably hits the fan. And their ABC are full of this delusional garbage this morning and urging them to WASTE more billions of $ and all for a ZERO return.
    And of course ZIP change for the Climate by 2050 and 2100. See Dr Finkel’s HONEST statement to the Senate in response to Sen MacDonald QLD.

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      Neville

      AGAIN here’s Dr Finkel’s HONEST answer to Senator MacDonald at the Senate inquiry.
      And yet our parasites and loonies want to flush endless billions of TAXPAYER’S $ down the drain for a GUARANTEED ZERO return?
      Is their anyone who really believes their crazy, delusional nonsense?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJY8xKknpms

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      Kalm Keith

      That money is NOT “Wasted”.

      The final destination of that bullion is always planned well in advance and the recipients would like to thank all Australian taxpayers, past, present and emerging for their blindness.

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    David Maddison

    Vivek is yet to prove himself, but if he doesn’t turn out as most expect and hope for, he might be somewhat reminiscent of the young, charismatic but ultimately revealed to be con man, spin doctor and cold-blooded psychopathic dictator in The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer (1970) played by Peter Cook and co-written by Cook, John Cleese, Graham Chapman, with Kevin Billington as director.

    It is available free on YouTube. https://youtu.be/WT_prfYb6DE

    It is a superb political satire, although more real than satire as we have seen politics develop since 1970. I don’t know why this film isn’t better known or more popular.

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    bobby b

    I’m a bit leery of VR so far – still investigating for my own knowledge – but I’m also still leery of Trump and DeSantis.

    Anyone running for the national popularity contest in the US is somewhat of a manufactured entity. Trump was a liberal Democrat for much of his life, and only recently became what we all see now. He is definitely NOT a simple WYSIWYG guy. DeSantis is new enough on a national stage so that he’s still evolving – being manufactured, as it were. He looks great now, in the spotlight, but we probably see 2% of the true DeSantis.

    So all we can do is try to discern what each will do under pressure – and we have to do it before any of them nail down a real lead.

    Which leaves us about three weeks.

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    Leabrae

    Banana republic. Who cares?

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    aspnaz

    VR is just another grifter, pretending to be on your side until he can get behind you and stab you in the back. They are all the same, here are some details … https://twitter.com/MattAttack009_/status/1695123026939953661?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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    crakar24

    Based on what has just now transpired in Vietnam the leader of the machine is broken and needs replacement……….come on down Kamala

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      Forrest Gardener

      The leader of the machine? Biden?

      Don’t think so. If animatronics had advanced a little further the real leaders wouldn’t need him at all and he’d be hidden in his basement like he was during the 2020 election campaign.

      And come to think of it, why is he leading such a high profile existence at this point in time?

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    Penguinite

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDZ2YZ4WSvk&t=316s
    The Machine stumbles on from disaster to catastrophe! Self-inflicted wounds that will kill us too! Just for starters, as you will see in the video, 1600 global scientists have declared that “there is no climate emergency”.

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    Hanrahan

    “The People” can’t be trusted to run the country either – They long ago worked out that they can vote to pick someone else’s pocket and give themselves an unearned pay rise, or, do no work at all.

    We’ll all be rooned!

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      Skepticynic

      We’ll all be rooned!

      I didn’t realise, you’re THAT Hanrahan!
      You’re famous, Al Gore modelled his entire public persona after your dour alarmist prognostications!
      Well done!

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    Penguinite

    Trump and Ramaswamy as Running Mate would be a team to get the job done! But I doubt DJT would want to play second fiddle to anyone. The concept of deregistering the FBI and DOJ must be attractive to at least 60% of the country. I want to know where Australia’s Ramaswamy is!

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      Rupert Ashford

      “I want to know where Australia’s Ramaswamy is!” Are you a local or from the US? You read the room of Aus and you’ll see the sheeple here are just to happy to appear fashionable – socialism sells like hotcakes, until the $$ runs out. The $$$ has actually run out, but they just don’t realise it yet…

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        Steve R

        I can never understand that when you have parties like One Nation, Social Democrats and Australia First that people still continue to vote for the UniParty. If you don’t vote for what you want you will never get it.

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      Hanrahan

      I want to know where Australia’s Ramaswamy is!

      If we had one we would reject him. We have had a few good pollies but the left hate them and the right is factionalised so don’t support them.

      Divided we fall, and there are those here dividing the right for their own political agenda.

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    Gee Aye

    Molecular biology science — it’s not possible to understand the human condition, life, viruses, medicine and biotechnology without it.

    How did we manage for all those years?

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    Rupert Ashford

    And the telling factor is that “The Managerial Classes” are openly saying it now. The “activist investor” (you know him – the billionaire in a t-shirt) who is “transforming” the well-known power retailer to screw us over in the name of saving us all was the main speaker at a meeting of the AICD the other day where he openly stated that it is the “Director Class'” opportunity to call the shots and drive the change necessary to serve their investments or something along those lines. It basically implied screw the people, we’ll save them despite the hardship and destruction it causes them and we’ll make mega bucks off them while doing this “saving”…

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    MP

    Some more mud on Mr. Squeaky.
    https://wltreport.com/2023/08/24/exclusive-can-vivek-ramaswamy-explain-his-ties-blackrock/

    His anti woke investment fund (strive, STRV), though avoids the normal “investors” at least in the top 10, is full of the wokie dokie folkie, whose major investors are the “normal”.
    Name Symbol % assets
    Apple Inc AAPL 7.29%
    Microsoft Corp MSFT 6.29%
    Amazon.com Inc AMZN 3.25%
    NVIDIA Corp NVDA 3.06%
    Alphabet Inc Class A GOOGL 2.12%
    Tesla Inc TSLA 1.86%
    Alphabet Inc Class C GOOG 1.84%
    Meta Platforms Inc Class A META 1.71%
    Eli Lilly and Co LLY 1.23%
    Berkshire Hathaway Inc Class B 1.22%
    https://au.finance.yahoo.com/quote/STRV/holdings?p=STRV

    They used to be called the “Big Club” but have since changed their title to “Rich Men North of Richmond”.

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    Lance

    You cannot trust your present Government. Anyone, Anywhere.

    “it is one thing to know what your government is capable of doing… It is another thing entirely to know what your government is willing to do to keep their capability”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/09/10/glenn-beck-interviews-former-atf-strike-force-member-john-dodson-you-cannot-trust-your-government/

    Governments have become “self sustaining” in the category that they no longer represent the citizenry. It is all a sham, a show, to pacify the masses.
    At any cost to the citizenry, Government will protect, sustain, and enrich, themselves, without limit. Govt will ride this into the ground.

    Prove me wrong.

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      Lance

      Govt has become what it was intended to prevent. A Cancer upon the Populace.

      See: CBDC, Vaxes, Mis/Mal/Dis info control, arbitrary seizure of “limited emergency powers”, social credit scores, etc.

      Vivek is simply a distraction, a tool, a puppet, to engage all these things. His history is congruent with that. At least the part he hasn’t scrubbed.

      He is the “controlled opposition” necessary for the game to continue. Until it cannot continue.

      “That which cannot be done, will not be done. That which cannot be paid, will not be paid. That which can be delayed, will be delayed until it cannot”

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        A puppet of which group? Who benefits from what Vivek says?

        The term “controlled opposition” can also be part of the Controlled Opposition. It could be a misinformation label tossed at the real opposition to slow down their ascendancy.

        Am I right, the only person not called “controlled opposition” at the moment is Trump?

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          Gee Aye

          Trump is certainly called that and other things.

          All of this is just calling people things. This argument battle seems to be your rhetoric against his, not his evidence versus yours.

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          aspnaz

          He talks way too much like a Trump supporter to be a legit challenger to Trump and he is being promoted by the MSM media.

          He has been associated with WEF, with big pharma, with the seedy clingons that attach themselves to big pharma, to pharma hedge funds etc. He does not seem to care who he associates with as long as it gets him the success he wants. His company was not a success until he launched his POTUS campaign and then suddenly it was popular; it was failing then went from $3 to $8 per share after which he sold millions of his shares. Someone is funding him, they ramped up the value of his company. He will be working for those people, whoever they are. Maybe WEF, maybe Soros, he has been associated with both, he was a young leader, he had a Soros scholarship, so who knows who is funding him, but it will not be someone constructive and honest, he is a con man.

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            So you haven’t watched the interview? You don’t realize he sued the WEF for their lies about him and won? He was never a WEF guy.

            You don’t realize his biotech firm was set up in 2014, long before the latest election campaign. Worth about $2.4b. He made his money long ago.

            You don’t realize he set up Strive, the anti-Woke Capital fund that works direct against BlackRock?

            Obviously, any genuine threat to The Establishment powers will be falsely called all the names that make them look like a shill, a puppet, a WEF candidate and wolf in sheeps clothing, an agent of Big Pharma, even as they expose the corruption of those exact institutions.

            The question is whether skeptics will wait for evidence or fall for the same old fog and confusion and even feed that fog and confusion…

            So if he is a shill, answer this, who benefits? Which industry stands to gain from him shutting down the FDA, BlackRock and the FBI and the CIA?

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              Will Gray

              Pick up link in reply to Memoryvault

              Anomaly doing real journalism interviews Vivek, judging from your comments Jo, you already watched it

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              aspnaz

              You believe that WEF accidentally listed him as a graduate and then he had to take them to court to remove his name? Why didn’t WEF realise it was just as an admin error and fix it? Why didn’t they just concede when he threatened to take them to court? You believe this hugely unlikely story? The whole VR campaign stinks.

              Look at the rest of his history and you see the same dodgy, very unlikely history.

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      MP

      Can’t prove a negative.

      The last electCon the Liberal party preference the Labor party in 50% of the seats according to Malcolm Roberts.
      Palmer United Party, preferenced the Libs though he had done a deal with the independents to preference them.

      They are an unstoppable force and will just preference each other to maintain both sides of Government.

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        Gee Aye

        1. Preferencing is up to the voter not the party.
        2. Roberts is citing the fact that they did not put Labor last on their how to vote card, which includes putting them above various communists and independents.

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        Rupert Ashford

        Except if the punters stop voting above the line and think for themselves that is. It takes a bit of prep BEFORE you enter the polling booth and then it’s plain sailing. But I agree in a preferential system it is hard to make sure your preferences don’t serve the usual suspects. What happens to votes above the line if a party don’t set up their own preferences though?

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    Mark Smith

    Vivak Ramaswamy is not flawed enough to become US president. Deep State is a mostly inchoherent conspiracy but they unify for clear threats. The Deep State has its fingers in every part of American society including pollsters- they know how to get the Vivak out of contention. General popuulation in all countries are lazy. My parents in Australia watch the mainstream media and I pointed how corrupt they (Wall Street Journal says climate change this and that and Great Barrier Reef dying even they disagree but they watch the lame stream media.

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      Steve

      Yes, when we look at the current USA president it is obvious what qualifications the establishment expect from its leaders.
      Why does Australia (jo) care ? Because whoever runs the USA is going to be controlling Australian politics.

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        Mark Smith

        Australia has worst politicians in the world. Australia general population is lazy.- how on Earth does anything vote for the major parties or anyone else. If Australia had a none of the above then it should hit at least 80% in federal and state elections.

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        Mark Smith

        Also don’t pretend the deep state doesn’t exist everywhere. Australia has a deep state.

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