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    Kim

    Jo, Hi, When Peter Dutton and the ‘New Look shadow Cabinet’ visited Perth last week did he bother to touch bases with you? I’m guessing not. As such I’m seeing them as being as clueless as they were prior to the election.

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      el+gordo

      This is Peter Dutton now, he is preparing for the climate wars no matter what the moderates have to say.

      ‘We took our policy to the election and millions of Australians voted for us on that basis. That’s the position that we’ll take forward.

      ‘Over time, if you’ve got new information before you and a new proposition, well, that can be considered by the party room.’

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        Kim

        Well let’s see whether he is still clueless. Or whether he can be insightful and innovative. I won’t hold my breath. And it’s not just the climate issues. There are a whole swath of issues that they were clueless on \ didn’t address properly or seriously \ were ineffectual on. I know “Welcome to the Age of Dysfunctionality” but that is not how they are supposed to be operating.

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          el+gordo

          They will be a good Opposition party.

          He is going to savage the government on climate change and energy, when they eventually get back to parliament it’ll be game on.

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            Kim

            Barking at them is not challenging them. The maths on the whole e-vehicles and solar & wind power situation don’t add up. The science on CAGW is a disaster. He needs to challenge them to put up or GTFO of the whole scene. And he needs to be crafty in that. Eg: Challenge to the Warmies: Create a town that is 100% fully off grid – off grid electricity generation via solar and wind, all electric vehicles, no external power, off grid water, off grid sewerage and off grid rubbish disposal. Completely self contained. Complying 100% with your ‘renewable’ and ‘sustainable’ criteria. Implement it and let’s have it running with plenty of publicity – let’s see how it goes. Show us how it’s done.

            Then there are all the economic and security issues. Not to mention all the wokey problems.

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              el+gordo

              Patience is required.

              ‘Moderate Liberals have taken issue with Peter Dutton’s declaration the Coalition will oppose Labor’s legislation for its emissions reduction target, saying the position should be thrashed out in the party room.

              ‘Should Mr Dutton’s decision hold, moderates are not ruling out some in their ranks crossing the floor, if only to lessen their chances of losing their seats at the next election to Greens or teal independents.’ (AFR)

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                Graham Richards

                The Coalition are still worried that they’ll not attract any Labor/greens
                Voters. Can you believe these people, do they not have a brain cell between them.
                So instead of dumping Paris, Glasgow & any other “fashionable”
                venue being used to kill of western industrialised economies they’re going to pretend to support it 100%.
                If you lot want my vote any time soon you’re going to have to be a lot more “hard assed”, decisive & most importantly be seen to increasing the number of brain cells in the party. I promise we will all respond to a conservative leaning, preferably a conservative leap!

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                b.nice

                “if only to lessen their chances of losing their seats at the next election to Greens or teal independents.’

                OMG, are these clueless “moderates” so blind that they don’t realise that kow-towing to leftist principles and ideas is what LOST all the seats to the Teals !

                NO-ONE will vote for them if they go down that idiotic path.

                How do you wake these clowns up to reality !

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                el+gordo

                You’ll see fireworks once parliament starts, Liberal green luvvies will get a beating and forced to tow the new party line.

                How the Nats handle this should be fun to watch.

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              ghl

              All it would take would be an accurate costing of the energy plan. There has never been one. It would horrify everyone.

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      Ross

      As Napoleon stated “Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake”. I suspect Dutton is quietly preparing his strategies etc for the actual parliament sessions. In parliament he appears to be a good performer, with a good speaking record. Baby steps.

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        Kim

        With a little bit of pushing (challenging) Labor can make big steps down the gurgler and the Libs can restore a semblance of good reputation. Otherwise it will be a wasted 3 years and we don’t have 3 years. The S is well and truly HTF on all fronts. September \ October are looking particularly gloomy. Albo is giving a constant “Oh $h1t!” look but that’s not enough after all the whole parliament is supposed to be managing and legislating for the country – the opposition does not get a free ride on that.

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          Kim

          PS: In a Western democracy the role of the opposition is that of a sceptic. It’s a facts and figures job. Let’s see them do that.

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            Hanrahan

            I know it was a labor leader, can’t remember which, maybe Keating, said “We are in opposition, our job is to oppose“.

            I thought it awful then, still do.

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              yarpos

              Yes oppositions in Australia seem to be the perennial sideline whiners, never offering alternatives until two weeks before an election.

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          MP

          For the last 21 years except for 6 of those years it’s been Liberal. The first 4 weeks of the Lab government they have been jet setting around the world getting their instructions, they have not been in office long enough to find which draw the crayons have been kept in.
          Labor have , as it appears, regained 4.5 billion dollars the last Traitor pi$$ed on submarines. They have sent a dike to a Christian country to regain the Solomon’s that DH had pulled from under him, see how that goes?
          We are where we are because of liberals.

          We have gone from half flush to full flush. Mutton voted for all this crap, Mutton will now dress himself as lamb and the plebs will cheer and await the second coming.
          The only thing Mutton is preparing is the mint sauce.
          Stop praying for someone to save you and prepare to save yourselves.

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          Ronin

          The dorks in govt just don’t have the talent to handle the problems coming their way, watching them is like watching a trailer from ‘Idiocracy’.

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            yarpos

            The Labor talent pool shares a lot of characteristics with the US Democrats. I expect they will enjoy similar levels of success in competently delivering the programs triggered by their awesome 32% mandate.

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        Graham Richards

        Undoubtedly he could’ve an even better performer. That however is a pipe dream as the actual PARTY leans very left & he’ll never be supported by old school party.
        DANGER on the horizon because this climate hoax does not have to progress much further before that “tipping point” is achieved, when fossil fuelled energy is replaced by unreliables.

        I have become even more convinced that the Labor strategy is fully supported by the party room. Glad I won’t be around in 10/15 years time when the whole lot crashes without any back up. Starting to look like a CCP conspiracy!

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    crakar24

    If life was documented in a movie we would now be watching the opening credits of Idiocracy. I don’t think Dutton would need to do much except provide us with commentary as we crash and burn

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    el+gordo

    Before the election the liberals and Nats were divided, but the moderates were wiped out during the election, which leaves the dry right in charge.

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      b.nice

      I hope they have the guts to weather the leftist and ABC storm, and start looking after the country, instead of the virtue-seeking whims of a bunch of degenerate leftists.

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        el+gordo

        The Liberal moderates who survived the election may cause friction, but Dutton can handle them.

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      Ronin

      Rightly so, the leftys voted for the real thing.

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    Ian

    I’ve just read a very interesting survey on the May 21 election conducted by the Australian National University, arguably the best university in Australia.

    The findings – taken from a survey of more than 3,500 voters showed age and level of education were the two most important factors in deciding the latest federal election. It also showed Australians feel more positive about the direction of the country following Labor’s win.

    Co-author Professor Nicholas Biddle said:

    “More than one in three voters aged under 55, 34.9 per cent, who voted for the Coalition in 2019 ended up voting for someone else. Around one in five, 21.1 per cent, aged 55 or older did the same.

    “The Coalition also lost more votes among people with higher levels of education. Around one in three people, 31.0 per cent, who had completed year 12 and voted for the Coalition in 2019 voted for another party in 2022.

    “This is in stark contrast to former Coalition voters who had not completed year 12. We found only 14.8 per cent of this group changed their vote in 2022.

    “Education, and particularly high school education, really matters when it comes to understanding this election result.”
    Young Australians were more likely to have voted for Labor and substantially more likely to vote for the Greens.

    Coalition voters tended to be older, non-Indigenous, with low education, living outside of capital cities and with a household income that puts them outside of the bottom income quintile.

    Labor voters tended to have high levels of education and lived in capital cities.

    Greens voters tended to be female, young, born in Australia or another English-speaking country and without a trade qualification.”

    The link may help drawing your own conclusions

    https://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/age-and-education-key-to-election-win

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      b.nice

      ANU, un-arguably the most left-leaning university in Australia. !

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      b.nice

      Coalition lost intelligent voters because Morrison was a do-nothing fence sitter.

      Anyway, I’m glad you found someone to give you your opinions.! 😉

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      DLK

      Young Australians were more likely to have voted for Labor and substantially more likely to vote for the Greens.

      they should try a study on the role of propaganda in voting intention formation.

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        Sambar

        And of course with the liberals preferencing Labour over One Nation in a number of electorates, they successfully managed to create their own demise.

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          Skeptocynic

          This^

          So stupid!
          And yet, Pauline retained her seat while some of those LINOs crashed and burned.

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      DLK

      “The Coalition also lost more votes among people with higher levels of education. Around one in three people, 31.0 per cent, who had completed year 12 and voted for the Coalition in 2019 voted for another party in 2022.

      how strange that people who do not complete year 12 and higher educations studies are less likely to vote green or labor (noting that “Has not completed Year 12 or post-school qualification” correlates negatively and significantly with ALP/greens voters).

      i wonder on earth what could cause that?

      also looking at the results,
      “Lives in the most disadvantaged areas” tends to negatively (but non-significantly) correlate with the ALP/greens (except for ALP 1st quintile disadvantaged areas).

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        b.nice

        Basically, people with life experience outside the academic shell are very unlikely to vote for any sort of leftism.

        “correlate with the ALP/greens”

        Remember, Greens/Teals are among the most affluent inner suburbs, people who think milk comes from a carton and food comes in packets.

        Reality of what actually sustains them, is basically non-existent, as can be seen from the RE farce.

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          DLK

          “correlate with the ALP/greens”

          i was just noting the left’s shift from the workers to the (so called) intelligensia.

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      crakar24

      I don’t believe 3500 samples is adequate to predict the preferences of the total voting public no matter how credentialed you claim the UNI to be.

      Therefore your theory on why LNP lost is flawed

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        b.nice

        Basically all Ian’s theories (aka… opinions from opinion polls) about anything .. are flawed.

        He thrives on it.

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      b.nice

      “Coalition voters tended to be older, non-Indigenous, with low education

      You did say you had voted LNP all your life.

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      Strop

      Completing year 12 means very little for the last 30 years given the vast majority do it and there are more useless subjects available to study.

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      Ronin

      “Education, and particularly high school education, really matters when it comes to understanding this election result.”

      It proves the longer you are exposed to the corrupt education system, the more leftard you become.

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      el+gordo

      “The Coalition also lost more votes among people with higher levels of education. Around one in three people …”

      Yeah we have a problem with people who overthink the situation, they aren’t too bright.

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      Clem Cadiddlehopper

      “age and level of education were the two most important factors” For the first time in human history, (with the exception of the former Soviet Union) students are actually coming out of Uni dumber than when they went in.

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      Old Goat

      Ian,
      What is interesting(and relevant) is the increase in the voters who are not voting in a country where voting is compulsory . Even getting fined does not make them vote . The most disturbing data is that labour won with just 34% of the vote . Labour and liberal are basically the same and I suspect that most people realise we are screwed either way .

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      DLK

      age and level of education were the two most important factors in deciding the latest federal election

      correlation is not causation.

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      Honk R Smith

      A piece of paper will lay there and let you put anything on it.

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      another ian

      “conducted by the Australian National University, arguably the best university in Australia.”

      By which measure?

      https://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=22016&page=1

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    John Connor II

    More thoughts and data on heat & humidity.

    Scientists Studying Temperature at Which Humans Spontaneously Die With Increasing Urgency

    Originally, conditions like this weren’t expected until the mid 21st century, according to climate models. But they are actually already here. In that study, Radley Horton, Lamont Research Professor at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory and co-authors surveyed weather station data from across the world, collected between 1979 and 2017, and found over 7,000 instances of so-called “wet bulb” conditions, which can lead to human deaths. Wet bulb temperature is the point at which humidity and heat hit a point where evaporation due to sweat no longer works to cool a person. Most of these wet bulb conditions were concentrated in South Asia, the coastal Middle East, and southwest North America

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/93ynm5/scientists-studying-temperature-at-which-humans-spontaneously-die-with-increasing-urgency
    * July 2021 article btw.

    The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

    Humans’ ability to efficiently shed heat has enabled us to range over every continent, but a wet-bulb temperature (TW) of 35°C marks our upper physiological limit, and much lower values have serious health and productivity impacts.

    A normal internal human body temperature of 36.8° ± 0.5°C requires skin temperatures of around 35°C to maintain a gradient directing heat outward from the core (10, 13). Once the air (dry-bulb) temperature (T) rises above this threshold, metabolic heat can only be shed via sweat-based latent cooling, and at TW exceeding about 35°C, this cooling mechanism loses its effectiveness altogether. Because the ideal physiological and behavioral assumptions are almost never met, severe mortality and morbidity impacts typically occur at much lower values—for example, regions affected by the deadly 2003 European and 2010 Russian heat waves experienced TW values no greater than 28°C (fig. S1). In the literature to date, there have been no observational reports of TW exceeding 35°C and few reports exceeding 33°C

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaw1838

    As I mentioned the other day, it’s not temperature that gets me, it’s humidity.
    I used to be able to control my metabolism pretty well (back in my gym days) and could tell my body it was cold when I was in a sauna and I exited shivering.
    I can’t do that anymore. Too old and decrepit now 😉
    But I can easily tolerate temperatures most people couldn’t.
    The point is that you can control how the environment affects you, given suitable training. Snowflake training of a kind.
    I used to share the sauna occasionally with a firefighter. He had it cranked up to 60C(!!!) and could sit in there for well over an hour. Way too hot for me or anyone else for more than 5-10 minutes.
    Now, that sort of exposure would likely kill a lot of people, even those accustomed to the heat.
    The humidity however…
    The bottom line is that temperatures alone aren’t necessarily dangerous and with simple steps you can survive them easily so nonsense as per France is just that. Nonsense. Just more “obedience training” for the masses.

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      Dry sauna. 65C. 1 hour. Love it. I can’t turn the temp up any further because it’s the max.

      Have successfully kept wearing shorts this year and by putting up with a bit of feeling cold daily I am finding this winter easier.

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      crakar24

      Nothing can prepare you for the furnace like blast that hits you when you walk off a plane in Darwin in Oct/Nov and don’t kid yourself otherwise

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        MP

        Yet you lived to tell the tale.
        Darwinites love the climate and the life style that brings. Temperature just moves the location they drink their beer.

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          crakar24

          Yes I lived that’s the point in spite of the gibberish @ #8

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            Kalm Keith

            Thanks to the “scientists” I can Now I understand why people in hot countries use fans so much.

            Such a relief to have scientists working so hard.
            Or something.

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        robert rosicka

        Love the heat up north , maybe next year .

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          Hanrahan

          Living in the heat needs a +ve mindset. You must understand that you CAN live in it if you dress and modify behaviour appropriately.

          Some Poms could do this and stayed, others went back.

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            robert rosicka

            Go fishing drink beer it’s very stressful but I manage ! Yes Hanrahan I know what you mean and agree .

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      RickWill

      Humans’ ability to efficiently shed heat has enabled us to range over every continent, but a wet-bulb temperature (TW) of 35°C marks our upper physiological limit,

      Fortunately the atmosphere over open ocean water above 27C goes into overdrive. The ocean surface literally builds a head of steam. Once the steam is catapulted above 273K, it freezes and forms ice. The ice gets burnt off just long enough to let a bit of sunlight back to the surface to rebuild the head of steam and away she goes again – deep convection. The reason Earth maintains water across 70% of the surface.

      At 30C surface temperature there is just enough sunlight getting to the surface to keep the process going – no extra heat to warm the water beyond 30C. Just enough to keep boiling off 7kg/day and lifting it 10km where it cools and comes back down; initially as ice then rain below 273K. 30C is full throttle for the big atmospheric engine. Can never get hotter than 30C on a sustained basis over open ocean water with the present atmospheric mass. And a tiny amount of CO2 is not adding much mass.

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      Kalm Keith

      In the pre-woke era there was another way of expressing this concept; it was known as Relative Humidity.

      It’s good to see the inventiveness of those who need news topics for their fifth PhD.

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    Ian

    Coalition lost intelligent voters because Morrison was a do-nothing fence sitter.

    You obviously didn’t leave the LNP then

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      b.nice

      You voted LNP all your life.

      So you said, anyway.

      Did you vote for Morrison?

      Low-IQ voters like you really don’t have a clue.. have to wait for someone else to tell them what to do.

      Now off you trot, find another opinion poll !

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      b.nice

      “Those who voted for another party tended to have high levels of education, lived outside of a capital city,”

      Thanks, Ian 🙂

      Not you though 😉

      But as pointed out before.

      Most people here have more intelligence that you seem to have.

      They can think for themselves, for a start.. not having to rely on opinion polls for their ideas.

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      crakar24

      I voted for UAP and then ON so I guess that means I am intelligent 😄

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        b.nice

        “so I guess that means I am intelligent”

        Of course you are.. That is what the opinion poll says. ! 😉

        I know the local ON guy, and he’s pretty cluey, but unfortunately, it was not to be.

        ON was the only party that supported Bayswater 2… In the future, people are going to wish that was built

        Don’t mind Dan Repacholi so long as he puts the region first (Kurri power station !) but would have preferred the Nats to get in.

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          b.nice

          “ON was the only party that supported Bayswater 2… In the future, people are going to wish that was built

          Just like they are going to wish they had listened to Tony Abbott on multiple things, particularly removing the RET and updating/building coal fired power stations.

          Many are already seeing that.

          Even listening to Morrison with 4 new gas and one coal would have helped.

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      Hanrahan

      Isn’t it odd that labor, the party that can’t even spell its own name and are the party of the working man are the biggest snobs, and not only on education. They are the virtuous and will remind you of this constantly.

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      el+gordo

      ‘ … a do-nothing fence sitter.’

      That was Morrison, Dutton is going to ferociously attack the government. Democracy lives.

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        b.nice

        “Dutton is going to ferociously attack the government. “

        I sure hope you are correct.

        Dutton against the feeble minds of Albo, Bowen and any other Labor twit.

        Need shares in popcorn. 🙂

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    David Maddison

    Here’s an article about US forests being cut down and shipped across The Atlantic for fuel for European power stations.

    Most of the anti-energy Left see these beautiful trees as nothing more than “biomass”.

    For the rest of us, these are beautiful forests.

    Note: this is a Leftist and warmist website and even they think it’s bad.

    https://www.nrdc.org/resources/our-forests-arent-fuel

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      Klem

      We do the same thing in Canada. We clear cut our forests and ship the wood to the EU where it is burned to generate power, thereby saving the planet. It also keeps our logging companies in business and supports resource sector employment.

      Now greenies want all logging to stop because we’re cutting down the trees. But cutting and burning trees was their idea, it was part of their so called green plan…

      Environmentalists truly are environ-mental.

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    MP

    ANU, best indoctrination center in Australia. Education key to election win!
    Did they all make it back from Davos OK, Julia get to sew another badge on her Mao jacket.

    Where was this survey conducted with such a small sample size (0.013%), let me guess, the ANU campus after the wiggles concert ended.
    Very one sided survey. How does a professor put his stamp on it when he does nothing but review other people’s work?
    I did notice though that they only mentioned two genders, male and female. Say’s a lot.

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    David Maddison

    “One of the most pathetic—and dangerous—signs of our times is the growing number of individuals and groups who believe that no one can possibly disagree with them for any honest reason.”

    Thomas Sowell

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    New Chum

    Dr Simone Gold of America’s Frontline Doctors https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/ faced court and has been sentenced.

    (Last week, the judge sentenced attorney and physician Dr. Simone Gold to 60 days in federal prison, one-year supervised release and a $9,500 fine, the largest fine ever given to Capitol demonstrators. Under the heavy weight of a deeply biased media narrative and politicized justice system, Dr. Gold had accepted a plea deal to misdemeanor “Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds” for being inside the Capitol building on January 6th.

    https://americasfrontlinenews.com/post/meet-the-judge-sentencing-january-6th-attendees-to-prison

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    Catherine

    I came across this from a reader’s reply on a previous post:

    ‘It turns out that Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Richard Branson, and Mark Zuckerberg have all invested in a startup called “BioMilq” ‘

    ‘Lab-grown ‘human milk’ may be just three years away
    By Milly Chan, CNN Business
    May 3, 2022

    BIOMILQ. The North Carolina-based startup is working to create “human milk” outside of the body.

    From burgers to breasts
    The idea first came to co-founder and chief science officer Leila Strickland in 2013, after she heard about the world’s first lab-grown burger. A cell biologist by training, Strickland wondered if similar technology could be used to culture human milk-producing cells, she tells CNN Business.

    The BIOMILQ team creates its product from cells taken from human breast tissue and milk, donated by women in the local community, who get a Target giftcard in return.
    BIOMILQ grows the cells in flasks, feeding them nutrients, and then incubates them in a bioreactor that mimics the environment in a breast. Here, the cells absorb more nutrients and secrete milk components.

    A growth industry
    BIOMILQ is not the only company hoping to create a new kind of milk for babies.
    Turtle Tree, based in Singapore and the United States, is culturing stem cells to create milk components from a range of mammals, including humans, while New York-based Helaina is using microbial fermentation to grow proteins found in human milk.

    By taking dairy farming out of the equation, BIOMILQ says its product could make feeding babies more environmentally sustainable. Producing one kilogram of packaged formula creates between seven and 11 kilograms of carbon dioxide, according to one estimate.

    BIOMILQ is still running studies into its own carbon footprint.

    The promise of a greener alternative to formula has attracted investment from Bill Gates’ Breakthrough Energy Ventures.
    Alongside other investors, the climate-focused fund helped BIOMILQ raise $21 million in October 2021.
    With this funding, Strickland says BIOMILQ is focused on expanding, and making more milk.
    “We consider ourselves now in our second trimester,” she says.’
    —–

    I start to wonder what comes first with Gates:
    the love of humanity like we are led to believe, the love of money, being seen as Green…
    …stop flying with your private jet

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      MP

      You think they will grow strawberries with it as well?

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      Honk R Smith

      Rodney Dangerfield …

      “I was an ugly child, my mother wouldn’t breast feed me, she said she thought of me as a friend.”

      It’s our duty to tell jokes while we still can.
      We’re being ruled by jokes, and they’re Hell bent on eliminating the competition.

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    Dennis

    Wind turbines to end up as land fill, the ABC has just realised what astute observers have known from the start of Labor’s RET and transition to renewable energy.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-21/wind-turbine-waste-landfill-recycling-costs/101168442

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      Robber

      And the proposed solution is: “We need the government to provide incentives for energy companies.”

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      yarpos

      they studiously ignore the 40+ tonnes of concrete and steel in the ground under each one; and then stress about blades in landfill

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    OldOzzie

    Living in LuLu Land – Thick as Brick – Victorian Energy Minister Lily D’Ambrosio

    Offshore wind ‘will blow’ energy shortfalls away

    Victorian Energy Minister Lily D’Ambrosio has hit back at warnings the state faces energy shortfalls and blackouts during “renewables droughts” in winter, claiming new offshore wind projects will “blow any shortfall out of the water”.

    Ms D’Ambrosio has ruled out making any payments to coal and gas companies to fix the energy crisis, despite it being recommended by the Energy Security Board. A state election in November is adding to pressure on the government to stick to its increased renewable energy target of 50 per cent by 2030.

    The ESB has warned that without the back-up of the baseload generators, under the worst conditions in 2034, 2037 and 2040, Victoria faces a shortfall of about 1 terawatt-hour of dispatchable generation – the equivalent of two large gas-fired power stations running full tilt for a year – for several days during the year.

    But Ms D’Ambrosio said the analysis failed to take account of the state’s ambitious offshore wind targets announced in March, which aim to provide 2 gigawatts by 2032, or 20 per cent of the state’s current energy needs. The target doubles by 2035 and reaches 9GW by 2040.

    “We will bring online at least 2 gigawatts of offshore wind by 2032, enough to power 1.5 million homes, with the potential to support an enormous 13GW of capacity by 2050 – five times the state’s current renewable energy generation,” she said.

    Experts said offshore wind projects could potentially help ease any shortfalls but would still be impacted by “wind droughts” such as those that hit the UK and parts of Europe last year.

    Grattan Institute energy expert Tony Wood said while offshore wind could be “a bit more consistent” and “anti correlate” with onshore wind, it was still not fully dispatchable in times of energy crisis.

    “If the requirement of dispatchable capacity is that you have to be prepared to commit to be available at certain levels, I think that is still a big challenge for offshore wind, even if it is blowing,” he said.

    “Batteries are fantastic, but at the moment they store energy in the relatively short-term. Storing stuff for four or six hours is absolutely fine, but for four or six days? Months? Or even a couple of years just because we might need it?

    “Even Snowy Hydro 2.0, which is huge, it would last seven days. We do have periods where we need energy stored for longer than that.”

    Ai Group head of energy policy Tennant Reed agreed offshore wind had higher overall availability and less correlation with onshore wind.

    “So they ‘should’ help reduce the overall systemic impact of periods of low wind onshore. But the more genuine diversity there is among energy resources, the less exposure there is to any one problem.”

    The focus on Victoria’s energy mix came after Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, speaking with Premier Daniel Andrews on Monday, gave the responsibility for the design of the energy fix to the states.

    “States will make their own decisions and what I will do as prime minister is consult and work collaboratively with state and territory governments,” Mr Albanese said.

    Industry sources said Victoria’s refusal to consider coal and gas as part of the solution was “hypocritical” and “totally inconsistent”, given it did a secret commercial deal with EnergyAustralia to keep the Yallourn coal-fired power station in the Latrobe Valley open until 2028.

    But Ms D’Ambrosio rejected the criticism, saying the state’s “nation-first offshore wind targets will blow any predicted shortfall out of the water”.

    At the forefront of the target is the proposed $10 billion, 2.2-GW Star of the South wind project off the Gippsland coastline, which is on track to be Australia’s first offshore wind project. It is hoped it will be ready to help replace EnergyAustralia’s Yallourn coal power plant, which is now slated to close in 2028 rather than 2032.

    “Instead of propping up ageing and increasingly unreliable coal stations, we are investing in renewable energy, transmission and storage – including the biggest battery in the southern hemisphere,” Ms D’Ambrosio said.

    Mr Andrews also talked up the role of offshore wind in response to the criticism.

    “Offshore wind is critically important as well – that is why I have announced Australia’s first and only targets for offshore generation over the next 15-20 years,” Mr Andrews said on Monday.

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      “So they ‘should’ help reduce the overall systemic impact of periods of low wind onshore. But the more genuine diversity there is among energy resources, the less exposure there is to any one problem.”

      So once again, diversity will rescue us. LOL

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        yarpos

        one has to wonder how more wind power is diversity and how off shore wind is immune to large high pressure systems. But then its D’Ambrosio of “downward pressure on costs ” fame.

        I once wrote to her pointing out the bleeding obvious about wind and solar and highlighting the then emerging failure of Energiewende in Germany. The response was that Germany was in fact a great success that the wished to emulate. It looks like she has learnt nothing and continues to learn nothing.

        The history of “RE” projects in the marine environment is littered with failure. I hope for the taxpayers sake this isnt one.

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      b.nice

      “gave the responsibility for the design of the energy fix to the states.”

      Which it has always been anyway..

      But with far-leftists AGW psycho-phnats in Vic, SA, NSW and Qld..

      What could possibly go wrong… apart from EVERYTHING !

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      Ross

      I know, isn’t she such a good Energy minister?? (sarcasm) Talks up off-shore wind which hasn’t been built yet. A few years ago was asked by a journalist if the Vic government had any plans to build dams for possible hydropower in times of need. “No” was her answer,” …..because it’s not going to rain in the future” (or words to that effect). She makes Chris Bowen seem like a genius. Another one of our Arts Degree politicians, like Dan Andrews.

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      David Maddison

      Even Snowy Hydro 2.0, which is huge, it would last seven days. We do have periods where we need energy stored for longer than that.”

      SH2 will be able to provide 2GW for just over a week, so they claim.

      However, once SH2 is emptied, how long will it take to refill? It could take months or years, or maybe never because it will mostly need an ever diminishing amount of coal power to pump the water back.

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        b.nice

        They will refill by pumping using masses of coal fired power. 🙂

        They need Bayswater 2, just for that purpose. 🙂

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        Graeme#4

        I think there is some confusion about the capacity of Snowy 2. I believe the figure quoted is 235GWh (@70% round-trip efficiency), but the output rate is 2GW max. Please correct me if I’m wrong. (If my calculations are correct, that’s 56,000 to 100,000 homes for seven days.)

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      Andy

      Who comes up with this rubbish, are we employing complete novices? When doing capacity planning on the supply side of infrastructure there are two critical measures to be calculated 1) the limit and 2) the threshold. The limit is the max supply, I assume thats the 2.2GW. The threshold is what can be relied upon to be supplied according to the availability non-functional requirement, for infrastructure this usually starts at a minimum of 99% and goes up from there to 99.9%, 99.99% etc. So if the NFR is the client needs supply availability @ 99% then what supply can be guaranteed 99% of the time for an offshore wind farm? The answer is zero, unless it has storage or gas peaking backup. So in total such a wind farm would add to the total supply threshold for the state of exactly zero GW…. it is worthless.

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        Graeme#4

        Yep, forgot the 2GW limit. Ok, so you can’t supply many residences with only 2GW.

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          Graeme#4

          Should have done more calcs before commenting. It seems they are ignoring the round-trip losses, because 335GWh comes out at around 2GW for 7 days.

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      beowulf

      The Greens introduce a bill to ban gas heating and cooking in Victoria. Perfect timing.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10936117/Greens-Tim-Read-pushes-bill-ban-Victorians-having-gas-cooktops-heaters.html

      Tim Read, the Greens member for Brunswick in Melbourne’s inner north, wants his state to be gas free.

      ‘Cities and countries around the world are going gas free, yet Victoria is a laggard, forcing homes to be hooked up to gas.’

      The Guardian agrees.

      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/26/ban-on-new-gas-connections-will-help-transition-victoria-away-from-fossil-fuels-inquiry-finds

      Tristan Edis, an analyst at consultancy Green Energy Markets . . . “it just seems like a no-brainer,” he said.

      “The requirement for a [gas] connection is redundant, because 20 years ago gas was a lower-emissions alternative to electricity for water and space heating in particular … but then along came reverse-cycle air conditioners, which are so much more efficient. And then we discovered renewables were cheaper than we thought they were going to be.”

      The Victorian Greens leader, Samantha Ratnam, said the inquiry provided the “know how” to transition to renewables.

      “We now need the courage to act,” Ratnam said.

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    OldOzzie

    Three Blind Kings

    Long Fascinating Read – Some Snippets

    The intelligence community increases its budget and power every year despite repeated large-scale failures combined with a complete absence of accountability that suggests that Americans would be much safer if the CIA were abolished. To what extent do you think this is caused by what appears to be an innate American inability to obtain and evaluate human intelligence, as opposed to electronic collection—at which America excels.

    XI SLAUGHTERS THE GOLDEN GOOSE OF SHANGHAI

    Why did Xi lock down Shanghai? You have a city of 25 million people with an enormous concentration of factories that serve Western supply chains, especially at the higher ends of the technology ladder, and then you lock it down for several months. You say people can’t leave their apartments. You stop all the factories dead, ships can’t go in or out of the port. The value that you are destroying in those three months is enormous, and at least some of those Western countries will move their production elsewhere. Isn’t he killing the golden goose?

    AMERICA, WHO’S IN CHARGE?

    Now let’s talk about the third weak kingdom, the United States.

    When I look at the United States from the outside, as an America-loving outsider, I see a country in the throes of one of those periodic implosions that are not entirely legible to non-Americans. You have manias about race. Manias about gender identity. You have the willful disaggregation of universities and other institutions under the banner of wokeness, which is a doctrine of blind obedience to a party line established by people who are 95% illiterate and can’t remember what they decreed last week. Policy is a product of hardened dogma, and therefore inevitably fails. Gas prices are crazy. Nearly 50% of children in urban school systems have basically just stopped going to school.

    And you have a so-called elite that spits hysterical contempt for the people in whose name they ostensibly rule, denouncing them as a pack of racist, [email protected], white supremacist, [email protected], gun-toting disease-spreaders who will hopefully soon die out and be replaced by a more obedient class of servants. I guess it’s not surprising that the American aristocracy is pretty much the worst aristocracy on Earth—bad manners, bad taste, bad art, hostile to religion and the popular arts. Their concept of largesse is to establish a foundation to combat climate change by instructing the yokels not to eat meat. The last aristocracy that showed this kind of contempt for its own people and popular folkways was the French in the days of Marie Antoinette.

    So, in two years, does it all go back to normal? The wonder and the terror of American life has always been the country’s capacity to destroy itself, and then be born again. Joe Biden looks lost. But is Kamala Harris really any better?

    So far as I can tell, the person who is in charge of the main parameters of U.S. government policy commutes between his mansion in Kalorama and his mansion in Hawaii, on his way to becoming a billionaire. But it is forbidden to speak of him. Good luck finding a single news story about how the ex-president of the United States communicates with his protegees in the White House, while he zips back and forth on the private jets of his billionaire friends talking shit about poor Joe Biden.

    What else is he up to these days? Watching ESPN and imagining himself as the next Denis Johnson, is my bet.

    Obama was never an in-the-weeds policy guy. He liked to pick and choose what he liked from the menu, and he’s done that. Otherwise, he’s happy to let Biden fail, which makes him look even better by comparison. Hey, who do you like better—Biden, Trump, or me, Barack Obama? Miss me yet?

    Obama’s problem is that he’s too impatient and ego-driven to let others make the comparison—he has to drive it home himself, by showing up at the White House, calling Biden the vice president, and leaving the poor man talking to the drapes, while everyone vies for photo ops with his Royal Airness, the last Democrat who wasn’t a pathetic, abject failure.

    Obama’s Achilles’ heel has always been his egotism. It comes off him in waves. He’s like the prep school cool kid version of Trump.

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    OldOzzie

    Canada Completes Construction of Manufacturing Facility to Make Food from Bugs

    June 20, 2022 – Sundance

    I’m not sure how everyone feels about this new effort to make bugs into food for humans, but everything about it seems weird. A Canadian company is now celebrating the opening of a manufacturing facility in Ontario what will generate 9,000 metric tons of crickets for people to eat.

    I will not be eating the bugs, slugs or any other creepy crawling critter regardless of “protein transfer efficiency.” Nope. Not happening.

    Don’t LaughThis is being pushed in Schools – Grandson had session at Primary School yesterday where they ate insects including Crickets and brought some home for the Family – Could not persuade me to try – Said happy with Prime Rib Steak

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      David Maddison

      For a long time I have been warning about how it is on the Leftist agenda to transition from meat eating to bugs for the non-Elites. You know, “to save the planet”…

      They call bugs “alternative protein”.

      You will notice more and more stories that are attempting to normalise the practice of entomophagy.

      I bet the Elites won’t be eating bugs as they fly around the world in private jets visiting climate and WEF conferences sipping Krug champagne and eating Beluga caviar and the finest meats.

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      KP

      Buy a burger you will, buy any mince or ground/prepared meat, buy any food that contains protein, buy almost any damm thing in a modern supermarket and if bug protein is cheaper than milk or soy the manufacturers will use it!

      Then wait until the new allergies and illnesses start appearing! We’ve had hundreds of thousands of years to adapt to a pre-steam-age diet, and look at the illness that abounds since then. This will be a far larger step in the wrong direction, maybe we can swap 10yr-old girls with breasts (or men) for wing cases on their shoulder-blades or scales in their skin!

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    MP

    RUSSIA – BACK TO BLACK – Europe Re-opens COAL POWER STATIONS – $250 BILLION Cost & Rise in Emissions

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4llBX5OtI

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      crakar24

      Well they have to as they are on the cusp of declaring lithium of all types are hazardous to human health so there goes all those batteries aka “the great white hope”

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      b.nice

      Sorry, As soon as he showed pictures of that coal powered power station with it multiple WATER VAPOUR cooling chimneys, and started sprouting about CO2 emissions you could see…..

      …. I stopped watching..!

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        MP

        Thats the point, opposite view, but still see’s the same result and the coal numbers really shines the light, 20 years of renewables and up up up goes coal.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      Thanks MP,
      It’s a good presentation, spoilt by his acceptance of the proposition that CO2 is a problem, and using cooling towers as an example of nasty emissions from coal powered generators.
      In spite of that his facts and presentation were great, and well worth the 20 minutes.
      Cheers
      Dave B

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    David Maddison

    Revisiting the famous WOW! Signal, a possible sign of extraterrestrial intelligence detected 45 years ago. Scholarly.

    https://youtu.be/r6rPNPVQp0Y

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    David Maddison

    Cheetahs vs robot at a zoo in Sydney, Australia.

    https://youtu.be/Dn9_ogWhk9s

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Given the support for the “freedom” and “No Mandate” protestors, I’m guessing those Blockade Australia can expect your wholehearted support also. Especially since they hadn’t actually done anything do be arrested for.

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      David Maddison

      According to that article they were charged with quite a list of serious offences such as assaulting police and damaging property and planned crimes of blocking traffic, Peter.

      It has no relevance whatsoever to people opposed to forced vaccination and forced lockdowns due to covid.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        That was not the reason for the raid, David. The point is they have a right to protest, why the raid

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          b.nice

          A 24-year-old man from Putty was charged with six offences including assaulting a police officer without actual bodily harm and destruction of property.

          A 27-year-old Katoomba man was charged with five offences including intimidation of a police officer and destruction of property

          A 22-year-old woman from Doctor George Mountain, near Bega, was charged with four offences including assault of a police officer without actual bodily harm, and wilful obstruction.

          A 21-year-old woman from Brisbane was charged with four offences including intimidating a police officer, and destruction of property.

          A 27-year-old Melbourne man was charged with three offences including intimidating a police officer and wilful obstruction.

          A 20-year-old Victorian man and a 35-year-old man from Hurlstone Park were charged with one offence each.

          On top of that, blockades of city streets is a form of kidnapping, restricting other peoples movements, causing danger to other people, and wilful obstruction.

          If someone was on the way to hospital, and died because of the blockade.. probably manslaughter as well.

          All this.. and PF supports it. Utterly disgusting !

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      Forrest Gardener

      Try thinking PF. You may even come to like it.

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      b.nice

      Read the article, PF, they are wannabe climate protesters, looking to disrupt peoples lives even more than the climate idiocy already is.

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      Strop

      Especially since they hadn’t actually done anything do be arrested for.

      I believe the police had the group under surveillance and didn’t intend to “raid” the property at that time but responded to a call for assistance from the surveillance officers who were approached by the group and whose vehicles were disabled by the group. There’s your reason for the raid at that time and the initial reason for arrests.

      Noting though, that the police were planning a “raid” for a later day based on observing the group allegedly preparing for activities and making things to be used for public disruption at unauthorised protests.

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    John Connor II

    Strange things seen in the sky after the SpaceX rocket launch

    On Sunday (June 19th) at 12:27 a.m. EDT (0427 GMT), SpaceX launched a two-stage Falcon 9 rocket from Florida’s Cape Canaveral Space Force Station. The rocket carried a communications satellite for the Louisiana-based company Globalstar to orbit.

    A few hours after liftoff, people worldwide started seeing strange things in the sky. They saw a smoke ring.
    Alasdair Burns of Twinkle Dark Sky Tours said, “It looked like a beautiful galaxy appeared in the sky. It was a very slowly rotating spiral that started small and gradually expanded. Eventually, it became so large and faint that it could no longer be seen. A group of us was on our balcony watching it, and none had ever seen anything like it.”

    https://spaceweather.com/

    Weird…

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    John Connor II

    Globalist Surveillance State: WEF Begins Secret ‘Smart City’ Operations in the Netherlands

    An unknown Austrian company, RadioLED, has rolled out a 5G network in the city based on a secret agreement with the municipality. The municipality receives no revenue from the project; the direction lies entirely with RadioLED. The company also manages the data obtained from thousands of sensors that follow Apeldoorn citizens everywhere.
    To implement the Smart City project, the municipality of Apeldoorn and RadioLED signed a secret agreement in 2021, giving RadioLED permission to install 500 small transmitters (square white boxes) on lampposts. The cost so far is 1.7 million euros. The project was initiated by the World Economic Forum WEF.

    The number of white boxes in public outdoor areas will be expanded in the future. The total cost of this project is estimated at 17.8 million euros and will be borne entirely by RadioLED.

    The company does not specify how this investment will be recouped, but it is obvious that it is about collecting and selling data.

    https://rairfoundation.com/globalist-surveillance-state-wef-begins-secret-smart-city-operations-in-the-netherlands/

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    John Connor II

    and now for something completely different – the 2022 Creative Photo Awards

    https://newatlas.com/photography/siena-creative-photo-awards-2022-winners-gallery/

    I’ll never look at golden retrievers the same way again 😅

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    John Connor II

    Update: child hepatitis cases

    Now scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have come up with some estimates for the normal rate of this condition, at least in the United States. Their findings, published earlier this week in the online journal Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, may come as a surprise.

    Their research suggests there has not been an increase in cases of pediatric hepatitis of unknown origin, at least in the United States. Nor has there been a rise in the number of pediatric liver transplants, which a portion of these children have needed. Likewise, the rate of detections of infections caused by adenovirus 41 — a stomach bug virus that has been implicated as a potential trigger of these hepatitis cases — has not changed over time, the CDC scientists reported.

    https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/17/a-cdc-study-seeks-to-provide-clues-to-seeming-surge-of-hepatitis-cases-in-kids/

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    John Connor II

    Scientists suggest killing ants with viruses

    Scientists say they’ve figured out at least part of North America’s invasive, imported fire ant problem by turning a virus that kills them into a weapon.

    A group of researchers from Tennessee, Florida and North Carolina universities said in their new study, published in the print edition of the Journal of Invertebrate Pathology this month, that they successfully reduced wild Florida populations of imported fire ants. The ants reduce nearby biodiversity, so the team used a virus called Solenopsis invicta virus 3 to kill them.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022201122000520

    Now develop one for my arch enemy the Jackjumper 😈

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    John Connor II

    419-Million-Year-Old Chinese Fossil Shows Human Middle Ear Evolved From Fish Gills

    Embryonic and fossil evidence proves that the human middle ear evolved from the spiracle of fishes. However, the origin of the vertebrate spiracle has long been an unsolved mystery in vertebrate evolution.

    https://scitechdaily.com/419-million-year-old-chinese-fossil-shows-human-middle-ear-evolved-from-fish-gills/

    Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny..when it wants to 😉

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    John Connor II

    Single Brain Scan Can Diagnose Alzheimer’s Disease Quickly and Accurately

    New research breakthrough uses machine learning technology to look at structural features within the brain, including in regions not previously associated with Alzheimer’s. The advantage of the technique is its simplicity and the fact that it can identify the disease at an early stage when it can be very difficult to diagnose

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s43856-022-00133-4

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    John Connor II

    Heat wave in Spain caused hundreds of young swallows to be ‘baked’

    Hundreds of young swallows littered the streets of the southern part of the country after falling from their nests due to the impact of the heat wave.

    Swallows often nest in buildings using construction materials such as concrete or metal. This environment combined with heat waves that have reached over 40 degrees Celsius in recent days in Spain can turn their nests into furnaces. “They’re literally being grilled,” said Elena Moreno Portillo, an animal activist at the Ecourbe conservation group in Seville.

    https://scienceinfo.net/heat-wave-in-spain-caused-hundreds-of-young-swallows-to-be-baked.html

    Are we seeing a timeshift in the climate rather than a temperature change?

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      David Maddison

      I don’t think swallows are a very robust animal and can die for many reasons.

      Here is a US page about them.

      http://www.sialis.org/tresdead.htm

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      MrGrimNasty

      People who worry about mass mortality events, a disastrous breeding year, etc. simply don’t understand nature. Boom and bust is natural in many animal populations, especially so in birds.
      Of course in this case modern urbanisation of the environment and encouraging the bird’s to nest in brick slots etc. that get far hotter than natural nests does not help.

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      yarpos

      sounds pretty normal really, we used to find dead possums after a few days of heatwave conditions in Melbourne.

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    John Connor II

    Chickenpox in Kyrgyzstan: 9,205 cases reported year to date. During the first four months of 2021, Kyrgyzstan saw 972 cases.

    Chickenpox can be more severe and cause more complications in immunocompromised persons, children younger than 1 year of age and adults. Severe complications include bacterial skin infections, bloodstream infections, pneumonia, encephalitis (infection of the brain) and death.

    https://twitter.com/bactiman63

    Cases increasing in (old faithful) India too.
    No sign of global spread yet but my spidey-sense is twitching 😉

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    David Maddison

    Tomorrow I’m thinking of visiting Burning Mountain, NSW, Australia, the world’s longest burning coal seam fire. It’s estimated to have been producing life-giving CO2 for the last 6000 years.

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    David Maddison

    McClown in Western Australia is well on track for the de-electrification of his state.

    https://thewest.com.au/business/energy/bluewaters-power-station-synery-wont-renew-contract-with-collie-coal-plant-c-7201639

    Bluewaters Power Station: Synergy won’t renew contract with Collie coal plant

    Josh Zimmerman
    The West Australian
    Tue, 21 June 2022 2:00AM

    Synergy’s contract with privately-owned Bluewaters Power Station expires in 2025 and will not be renewed – placing the future of the Collie coal plant and the nearly 60 workers it employs in jeopardy.

    The revelation there are fewer than three years to run on one of Bluewaters’ key supply deals comes in the same week the McGowan Government announced it would shut Collie’s two State-owned coal plants by 2030.

    Collie Power Station will close in late-2027 while the last remaining generators at Muja Power Station will cease operating by the end of 2029.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

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      Graeme#4

      That’s interesting. Bluewaters is Australia’s newest coal station, commissioned 2009. It would have years to run.

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    David Maddison

    When the Left bring Australia to its knees and the pre-industrial utopia they want, what will we do for candles?

    Paraffin candles were invented in the 1850’s but the wax comes from horrible coal or oil. That won’t happen.

    Another option is beeswax but that is rare and expensive.

    Tallow is cheap but burns with a smoky flame. Whale oil is good, but best not to burn whales. Vegetable oil can be used, but the crops will probably be wanted for food.

    And they won’t want us eating animals, just insects instead of meat, so there will not likely be a source of tallow.

    I guess we’ll just have to freeze in the dark.

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    David Maddison

    I think FINA made the right decision banning biological males who have gone through puberty from participating in women’s swimming events.

    It is also thinking of having a special competitive category for transgenders.

    It seems like a sensible decision.

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      MP

      Worst decision ever. I was enjoying watching people getting what they asked for.

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        Hanrahan

        Are you saying a young girl trying for a sports scholarship to college ASKED for her place to taken by a man?

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        yarpos

        rather petty, I doubt if a generation of young female athletes ever asked for anything other than to compete in a sport they love against other young female atheletes.

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          MP

          Did you watch the tranny declaration. The same people who stood there and declared Trans rights, equality, are the ones complaining about the competition from the same people.
          Their rights matter as long as it’s not competing for their medals, but your medals, that’s OK.
          These wokies no matter their age need to suffer the consequences of their wokieness. These are not children, they are young adults/adults and many past the voting age.
          That was only swimming anyway, still got many other wokie sports to entertain me with. I don’t watch the sport anyhow, my entertainment comes from the pressers after, the event lasts minutes, the entertainment goes on for years!

          Enjoy the tears and foot stomping while it lasts. Brisbane Olympics, first trans Olympics.

          They need to learn that their actions have consequences and they need to learn this young, otherwise we will continue down this road to ruin.

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      Strop

      Now that FINA has done the right thing Rugby has followed suit.
      I wonder how many other sports will do so now that they don’t have to worry about being on their own against the activists.

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    Furiously+Curious

    ‘The Hill’ discussing the complete collapse of left wing work spaces. They are being told they have become pretty well unmanageable, due to diversity and equality issues, and how much of this is spread to big business. “Go woke, go broke” is never mentioned, but it has now become clear that a lot of work places are now totally dysfunctional- I keep thinking ‘cats in a bag!’ It’s now finally being openly talked about.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DAWyM0Vm04&t=1s

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      yarpos

      Saw a funny interview with the CEO of Kraken (a crypto company with a few thousand employees)

      Things got so bad he offered the dissatified activists 4 months severance pay to leave, if they werent happy. Apparently 1-2% of people took the offer, and that was enough (plus the message sent of the CEO intent) for the workplace mood to improve substantially and for people to get back to doing actual work. The lefty pendulum is reaching its limits I think.

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    David Maddison

    Katie Hopkins gives a brief comment about the seemingly deliberate restriction of flights in Western Europe. Plausible.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/YvZW56O0Bc8?feature=share

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    Lewis P Buckingham

    Just got a friendly email from origin energy.
    The are about to put up their price by 25%.
    ‘Nice work if you can get it, and you can get it if you try’
    The kicker is that they don’t charge to switch.
    Anyone know a good business rate deal?

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    another ian

    More covid – dandelions to the rescue?

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2022/06/05/w-o-o-d-4-june-2022/#comment-157704

    In vitro so the Vitamin I procedure gets a re-run?

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    crakar24

    Surely this is just a coincidence and the vaxx does indeed have a fantastic safety profile

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-20-death-claims-6billion-people-dying-covid-vaccines.html

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    David Maddison

    Disney, like all its movies now, went woke with an LGBTQ2S+ (or whatever it’s up to now) scene in its latest kid’s movie, Lightyear, and it did poorly at the box office.

    Get woke, go broke!

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    False Gods, “Experts” and the Death of Science
    Dr. Sam Bailey
    https://odysee.com/False-Gods-Experts-and-the-Death-of-Science:c5134056ead3eff62185e6edcbdaae9a64c1e339?src=embed

    Last year I produced a video “Science vs Dogma” describing our world, where “science” is no longer what most people think. In this follow-up video, I expand on this concept and detail:

    1# the suppression of open scientific discussion regarding “COVID-19”
    2# problems of peer review and institutionalised “science”

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    OldOzzie

    Musk announces big job cuts at Tesla

    The company’s CEO has warned a recession in the US is “likely”

    Tesla will cut 10% of its salaried workforce over the next three months, Chief Executive Elon Musk said on Tuesday. Speaking at the Qatar Economic Forum organized by Bloomberg, he also warned that a recession in the US was likely.

    “A recession is inevitable at some point, as to whether there is a recession in the near term, that is more likely than not,” the head of the electric carmaker said.

    Musk said earlier this month that he had a “super bad feeling” about the economy. That’s when it was first reported that he planned to slash jobs, as he believed the company was overstaffed.

    According to a report by auto-focused news website Electrek, the cuts would only apply to employees on a salary, not hourly workers. In an email to company staff cited by Electrek, Musk said the layoffs would “not apply to anyone actually building cars, battery packs or installing solar.”

    The Tesla CEO also said that remote work was “no longer acceptable” and demanded that employees be at the office for at least 40 hours per week. “If you don’t show up, we will assume you have resigned,” he said.

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    Kalm Keith

    Thank you Jo for those interventions.

    https://joannenova.com.au/2022/06/the-nanny-state-rules-french-events-banned-for-the-heat-climate-lockdowns-begin/#comment-2560094

    It’s been a very unusual series of comments on that thread.

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      b.nice

      Yes, Thanks Jo. 🙂

      I got tired of his arrogant self-righteousness and refusal to admit that there were two correct methodologies.

      Given that the two equations used give the same answers, it should be no surprise that they are just different derivations that are actually equivalent to each other. 🙂

      [b.nice I’ve moved this to moderation as it’s a reply to Jo and she will see it when she logs on .]AD

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        b.nice

        OK… AD 🙂

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        Look, I don’t have the time to follow long rabbit holes and contribute or adjudicate. My only wisdom here is that emotional words and hyperbole rarely improve a physics debate. We just try to keep the temperature down on spirited threads. Usually, but not always, the calmest and most succinct guy has the insight.

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    robert rosicka

    Good to see the Labor government are all over the people smugglers from Sri Lanka and have come up with a Baldrick cunning plan to give the smugglers a GPS locator for their boats . Sheer genius .

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    Strop

    Sky News (Australia) meteorologist warning that we could see a repeat of the 1867 Nepean & Hawkesbury River flooding and the lack of govt action to improve the Warragamba Dam for flood mitigation.
    https://youtu.be/b5a8mUKx4Jk (6min vid from the Chris Kenny show, discussing the documentary Sky will be airing)

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    DLK

    Vaccination Increases Risk of COVID-19 Infection, But Infection Without Vaccination Gives Immunity: Study

    Having two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine has been linked with negative protection against symptomatic infection with the disease, scientists say, while a previous infection without vaccination offers around 50 percent immunity, according to a study analyzing the Omicron wave in Qatar.

    Over six months after getting two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, immunity against any Omicron infection dropped to -3.4 percent.
    But for two doses of the Moderna vaccine, immunity against any Omicron infection dropped to -10.3 percent after more than six months since the last injection.

    via
    theepochtimes

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    OldOzzie

    ONLY MARXISTS NEED APPLY

    In Minnesota, a new rule relating to certification of teachers is in process. As I understand it, the rule has proceeded without legislative action and ultimately will come before an administrative law judge who will (I assume) approve it, absent enormous public outcry. The rule provides that you can’t be licensed as a teacher in Minnesota unless you subscribe to neo-Marxist theories of race, gender and so on.

    You have to read it to believe it:

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    another ian

    Summary

    “The electric mobility paradigm needs to be recognized for what it has been: a technical and fiscal flop. ”

    More at

    https://financialpost.com/opinion/opinion-do-electric-cars-ever-emerge-from-policy-intensive-care

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      Kalm Keith

      That seems like a good use for all the huge concrete bases on the Woke Windmills of Wonderland.

      Ten years in the ground and a second, more useful life moving up and down in the fresh air.

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      Chad

      No mention of efficiency or discharge/charge rates ?
      There is a reason pumped hydro is the oldest, and still the most practical, form of energy storage.
      Its storage efficiency wont be beaten for high capacity and discharge rates, until someone eventually produces a battery that is cheap enough……..unlikely !

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        MP

        I get you like your pumped hydro, its not an energy generator its an energy consumer. The issue is not storage as without generation you have nothing to store. If you have reliable generation you don’t need storage. If you are just wind and solar how can you shedule when to waste energy pumping water up a hill when you have no idea how much energy you will have and when you will have it. There was no storage issues prior to the year 2000 and there are no storage issues now, its now generation issues.
        Pumped hydro is itself intermitent energy.

        The foot print for pumped hydro is massive

        This green dream is a game of addon’s, look at King island. Wind, Solar, Battery, Fly wheel, Resistor and a Genset, throw in a couple of interconectors and you have SA and none of them worth squat without reliable generation’ the genset.

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          Chad

          Large grids with variable DEMAND (am, pm peaks etc) need a responsive supply.
          The most efficient (cheapest) method of supply is to use a high efficiency generator (coal, Nuclear etc) running at a constant level with those peaks catered for by other dispatchable sources. Currently this is done with inefficient , expensive OCGT and some Hydro.
          Ideally, there should be enough Pumped Hydro to satisfy the peaks and “recharge” when demand is low. This allows the Coal or Nuclear generators to run at optimum output.
          Sure it is not 100% efficient, but it is much better than ramping upand down a main generator, or using OCGTs intermittently.
          It has been a key feature in grid systems since day one.
          “Storage” is key to optimising efficiency in many continuous running systems (eg computers, water supply, beer bottling, etc etc.
          Unfortunately Australia doesnt have enough of either river run / dam hydro,..or pumped hydro facilities to achieve that ideal situation.
          Other countries have much more plentiful river flow as well as pumped storage facilities.

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            MP

            Don’t stop there with silly analogies….bird baths, old tires.
            We have had a good run on coal without the add ons, the issue has not started because of coal. Spinning reserve served us well.
            I posted this up further. Listen past his opinions to the numbers.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4llBX5OtI

            It doesn’t matter how much renewables and storage increased, coal consumption increased and continues to increase. (bet the other two energy dense fuels also increased)
            All storage has to be filled by something, in these cases its coal.

            May as well put big fans infront of the windmills, Dysons would be more pleasing to the eye. At least the build is verticle.

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              Chad

              Fortunately, there are power systems Engineers smarter than you who have realised the benefits of pumped Storage for over 100 years !
              Australia has used PHS for 50 years..way before RE was concieved….
              ..why,?… because it improves system operating efficiency, and reduces cost.
              “Spinning reserve” is a very inefficient , wasteful , way of dealing with variations, because it requires additional generating facilities to be available, but not generating.
              You obviously failed to comprehend that ….
              A) i do not believe in renewables..
              B) PHS is a advantage to any large grid system…no matter what the generation source

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                MP

                You think engineers are in charge, dams are not weather dependant, spinning reserve is inefficent and pumping water up hill is efficent.

                OK. Are you a civil engineer by any chance?

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                Chad

                Engineers solve the problems that politicians create.
                I said ..”Pumped Hydro Storage”… is not weather dependant.
                ..and it is more efficient than OCGT for peaking,…when the systems are designed and integrated effectively.
                Spinning reserve is an expensive back up for system fluctuations .
                You really do not understand the concept of “buffering” in variable flow systems ,..do you ?

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                MP

                Yep, civil engineer.

                I understand we did not need your “buffering” before renewables.

                The SRMC of Wivenhoe is basically the pool price of electricity when the pumping takes place, times the inverse of the efficiency factor. (they call this efficiency, I call it inefficacy), of course chase the peaks, pump the troughs.)

                In calendar 2016 Wivenhoe produced 114 GWh and used 172 GWh in pumping. That’s an efficiency ratio of 66%. As an aside because the pumping comes from coal powered generation its actually carbon inefficient to run. CS Energy also states its liable for REC and SREC surrender when pumping (consuming electricity).
                The Splityard Creek dam has sufficient capacity for 10 hours of continuous power generation. It takes about 14 hours of pumping to refill it. Net Loss in energy, it appears these things need 40% more energy. What do you do
                If it pumps it consumes REC’s.
                It appears they can throttle hydro for “buffering”, bet they wish they would of thought of this before putting in the pumps, oooh but wait they can’t do both at the same time.
                Not weather dependent, I shall inform the farmers their dams will never be empty under a Chad government.

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                Chad

                As i said….
                You really do not understand thr concept of buffering demand variations or the benefits of PHS. !
                …which has been in operation in the Australian grid since the early ‘70 s….
                ….well before renewables were concieved.

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                MP

                Don’t know why I can’t understand buffering, you’ve explained it so well.

                The one above was installed in the 80’s, no other for the entire QLD coast before or after, yet here we are, 100 years of hassle free run. QLD the lucky state.

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            robert rosicka

            Chad we can’t build dams for freshwater storage , the notion of using electricity to store or generate electricity is ok maybe small scale but if your depending on weather anywhere in the equation you are still at the mercy of Mother Nature .

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              Chad

              Robert,
              Sure, Australia does not have a climate that lends itself to river dam generation on a scale big enough to be significant, Tasmania is an exception , but small scale.
              But, Pumped Hydro storage is not weather dependant , and can be used anywhere there is suitable geography and a initial water source.
              It has been an integral part of most modern grids way before Wind or Solar were thought of.

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                robert rosicka

                Where does the water come from for the snowy scheme isn’t it rain and maybe snow which are dependent on Mother Nature are they not . As for powering pumped hydro from wind farms well that’s totally dependant on weather . More Dams and bigger dams there are plenty of sites within a hundred klicks from where I live and plenty more up the east coast , it’s green tape that stops them . But if those dams were built it should be mainly for flood mitigation and water storage for the lean years .

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                Chad

                As i said, Australia does not have the climate or geography to use river retention dam hydro generation to supply enough power for current needs, and yes it is weather/seasonal dependant.
                But PUMPED HYDRO STORAGE is not weather dependant since it recirculates its water repeatedly
                You also need to separate Wind and Solar GENERATION away from this discussion since PHS is a resource that was intended to benefit Coal and Nuclear generators , by enabling them to run at a steady optimised output without having to vary output to match the peaks and troughs of demand.
                I do not believe PHS will be able to compensate for the huge variability of generation from wind and solar…
                …..that is a problem beyond practical solutions !

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            Graeme#4

            Chad, are OCGT plants expensive, or is the gas cost the main issue? Because WA uses a lot of OCGT peaker plants and we still have cheap power.

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              Chad

              G4..
              OCGT are expensive because they are inefficient compared to CCGT’s.
              Even though WA has cheap gas, you should not draw comparasons with the East Coat market pricing.
              It is a different game.

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                Hanrahan

                Nothing is perfect. OCGT may be inefficient but it spools up far quicker than CCGT and 24 hrs faster than coal furnaces.

                While you insist that sun dependent generation has priority to the market OCGT is second fastest response to a cold front bringing overcast into the south coast. You can’t smooth out minute to minute generating conditions with high latency generators.

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      MrGrimNasty

      Not this nonsense again, do the maths, to provide any meaningful quantity and duration of power is completely impractical in scale.

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      Graeme#4

      Missed this. It’s worth looking at the YT expose that points out that this concept is useless.

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    OldOzzie

    White House Begins Engineering Narrative that Biden Policy U.S. Food Shortages are Fault of Vladimir Putin

    Apparently, Russian President Vladimir Putin has the ability to drive up U.S. inflation, explode U.S. energy costs, increase gasoline prices, influence global agriculture, weaken U.S. oil refining capability, disrupt availability of diesel fuel, impede the transportation of U.S. goods, force municipal energy companies to raise prices, cancel airline flights, stop the manufacturing of infant formula and now block the production -and increase the cost- of food in North America.

    It’s worth noting how John Kirby says NATO and the western allies can deliver thousands of tons of heavy weapons and arms into Ukraine from western Europe without issue; however, the western allies cannot get thousands of tons of grain and foodstuffs out of Ukraine. I digress. The propaganda around World War Reddit is remarkable.

    If you follow the trajectory, perhaps the White House will now claim Vladimir Putin is the reason why we need to start eating bugs.

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    MrGrimNasty

    Someone posted about polio detected in sewerage I recall, now in London, likely infection derived from vaccine.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/poliovirus-detected-in-sewage-from-north-and-east-london

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    robert rosicka

    Another car charging station catches fire and 100 vehicles burnt or damaged , definitely nothing to do with batteries though ! Yeah right .

    https://batteriesnews.com/100-vehicles-catch-fire-delhis-electric-vehicle-charging-station-india/?fbclid=IwAR0h0IQK2pRQ4kGEIeTs3dWUKZmetuhs5rnYfqQlHrf_AbP779cyE05vmUM

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