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Unvaccinated Australians can’t leave Australia — unless they escape — is that swim, paddle or dingy?

Welcome to Prison Australia where unvaccinated citizens are not able to leave.  (And Canadians thought they were the only ones). If your best friend is getting married in Madagascar, the Africans will let you fly in, but you can’t go because Australia won’t let you out.

Australians who are unvaccinated or not-jabbed-enough can apply for permission to leave. But unless you need foreign medical care, live or work overseas, or are flying in the “national interest” (meaning you’re a politician) you may not qualify. Trips need to be “longer than three months” for no good reason I can think of, except that it stops most holidayers. Which is obviously the point.

People may get an exemption if they need to work overseas. Which is fine if your boss wants to send you to conventions in the Greek Islands but you can’t take the wife and kids unless she owns the company, and the kids are your employees. Otherwise, there’s no pleasure cruises for the unjabbed peasants from Oz.

Rafting, boat, training session.

Unvaccinated Australians who want to leave pretty much have to escape

We can always drive to Broome. We might find an Indonesian fishing boat and get a lift back the other way, in a kind of reverse boat-people maneuver. With luck, Australian-boat-people might be able to apply for political asylum in Bali. But will Indonesia accept them? Otherwise it’s only 150 kilometers from the top end of Queensland to Papua New Guinea. It’s possible to swim or paddle across the Torres Strait, it’s just that the crocodiles may appreciate your trip more than you do.

The ban doesn’t apply to unvaccinated foreigners in Australia, (luckily for Novak, eh, or he might still be here?). Non-Australians are free to leave, so dual nationals could always renounce their citizenship but the rest of us just have to go stateless.

Right now, there are about 70 countries which allow unvaccinated travelers in. Places like France, Spain, Greece and the UK, as well as Norway, Israel, Denmark, and those bastions of freedom: Cuba, Russia and parts of Africa and central America.

When nations with medical systems as good as Haiti aren’t afraid to welcome the Unvaxxed, it seems a tad odd that Australia is afraid to send them.

As it is, the Australian made vaccine is not on the approved list in Australia, so unvaccinated Australians aren’t able to fly out of Australia to go to Iran where they could get an Australian vaccine. It’s almost like we’re owned by Pfizer.

Set Australia Free Scott Morrison…

If it all sounds a bit hard to believe, ponder that it’s been the law since the Human Biosecurity Emergency was announced two years ago:

“From 25 March 2020, all Australian citizens and permanent residents must not travel outside Australia unless exempt… “

Long after Covid became tame enough to let in, and evolved into omicron, the Pandemic Emergency was extended again and again, even in February this year until 17 April 2022. Will they extend it again? I’ll have more to say tomorrow…

From the Australian Government Health website — here it is in black and white:

  • Restrictions on outbound international travel for unvaccinated Australians

Unvaccinated Australian citizens and permanent residents

If you do not meet Australia’s definition of fully vaccinated for international travel purposes, you need to apply for a travel exemption to leave Australia. For more information and how to apply see Travel exemption process to leave Australia.

Who can apply for a travel exemption

You can apply for a travel exemption if you:

      • are travelling as part of the response to the COVID-19 outbreak, including the provision of aid
      • need urgent medical treatment that is not available in Australia
      • are travelling for a compelling reason and for three months or longer
      • your travel is in the national interest
      • you are ordinarily resident in a country other than Australia.
      • are travelling for your business or employer
      • providing critical skills or working in a critical sector.

Would you like hoops to jump through?

When to apply

You need to apply for a travel exemption at least two weeks, but not more than two months, before your planned travel.

If you are travelling due to the death or critical illness of a close family member, you can apply inside this timeframe. We will prioritise your application.

At the moment, two jabs is enough, and people can do them barely two weeks apart and then fly seven days later, which doesn’t sound like anyone in the Health department is too concerned about the travellers actually being protected. If we want to know the efficacy we have to wait two or three weeks after the last injection before we even count them. But if we are only worried about them getting on planes full of viruses, who cares?

It’s not about health is it?

In February more than 400 Australians applied but were told they couldn’t fly out of the country. Some 390 people applied to leave on compassionate grounds, but 168 of those were knocked back. About half the people who said they lived overseas were not allowed to leave either. All told during the last two years the Australian Government has declared that 147,000 Australians didn’t have permission to leave the country. Who knows how many thousands more never bothered to apply in the first place.

hat tip to Sharon W. 

Image of the Indonesia boat: David Stanley

Rafting trainign photo: Bijay Chaurasia

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219 comments to Unvaccinated Australians can’t leave Australia — unless they escape — is that swim, paddle or dingy?

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    What!!!!! You cannot leave your own Country if you have not been jabbed. That is just plain ridiculous

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      GlenM

      Things are getting better. We were in solitary confinement for a long time. A 3 million sq. mile Leper colony. How much do I despise our politicians and bureaucrats? Don’t ask!

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        Bruce

        The “Stockholm Syndrome”.

        Timely Samuel Adams quote:

        “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

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          Bruce

          See also:

          “Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act.”

          George Orwell.

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        StephenP

        I can only suppose the ‘powers that be’ claim to be concerned about when you return from your trip.

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      TdeF

      On the surface it seems completely outrageous to stop outgoing Nationals, it is only consistent with immigration policies. The one certainty is that tourists expect quite reasonably to return any time but that presents a real and legal contradiction in immigration health.

      Visiting a hospital this week, they are still locked down and very strict. Surgeons are flat out dealing with a huge backlog and the last thing they need is to have teams out of action in isolation or worse. There are still people in ICU and on ventilators.

      Inoculation should always be a personal choice where only your life is at risk because all inoculations also carry risks.

      However there is still the real community need to slow the spread of this still deadly virus and its variations and to protect and reduce the load on emergency treatment and save lives.

      So while within our still sheltered community we are nearly free, we do not want new strains to enter while we drop our guard and at present the Omicron strain is effectively inoculating the population for free, as Bill Gates complained.

      The one serious problem is the absurd idea that if you had the Wuhan flu, you still need inoculation.

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      You should be able to get an equivalent certificate which counts as inoculation because there is no greater proof of Wuhan flu resistance than having survived. I know of many travellers who were forced to inoculate although having had the virus and to take a real risk with their health for no reason at all.

      Specifically a positive result for Wuhan Flu antibodies should also generate an equivalent certificate to convince well meaning bureaucrats who do not know how immunity works. That would solve many problems. It also prevents the likely problem of vulnerable tourists who leave, get very sick overseas and demand to come home, which is a totally avoidable personal and financial and administrative health disaster.

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        TdeF

        And this just in from people in Chicago on Domestic travel alone. They are still a long way from ‘normal’.

        “It seems that there is no requirement to “officially” test before/after domestic flights
        People working in the city are making changes to their work lives to accommodate safety ( against COVID )”

        “Travel in the US is still bad. All the normal stuff PLUS cancellations to flights or delays make it very hard to keep meetings.
        Planes are full, overbooking is still an issue and people getting bumped
        Anxiety of travelers is at an all-time high.”

        After such a long time, people are anxious, but we have to ease off international restrictions, not fling open the doors. And we need to be sure that we maintain our vigilance against imported viruses, something which really was dropped in the 2000s when everyone was just stamped through immigration with a note to see a doctor if they fell ill later.

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          TdeF

          And is this really an Australian government initiative? I would love to see a list of countries which will accept unvacinated passengers.

          There is a reasonable standard requirement for all airlines not to board passengers to destinations which will not accept them.

          Visas and Vaccinations come to mind as essential requirements for most countries. These things should be checked on departure or someone has to pay the return airfare and other costs plus the total nuisance.

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          bobby b

          “Travel in the US is still bad.”

          Huh?

          Ticket prices are dropping back to reasonable, I can book flights easily and quickly, there are no blackout spots (destinations that have applied their own more stringent requirements), and they’re even on the cusp of ending the mask requirement.

          Travel in the US is quite good right now.

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            bobby b

            As I consider this further, the only people for whom “travel in the US is still bad” are the people who would rather we all wore three masks, got six shots, and wrapped ourselves in aluminum foil.

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        Peter C

        We can still have Quarantine for people arriving.

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          TdeF

          I still carry and maintain my Yellow innoculations book. But in the 2000’s with the massive wave of international travel, most countries just stopped asking.

          In China at the moment one of our Chinese born staff has just flown after two years of isolation from her family and is spending two weeks in isolation regardless. Her ultimate destinations Shanghai is in total lockdown with meals at the door. Then she has to get to Beijing to see her parents, 92 and 93. In Shanghai all traffic is stopped including public transport, taxis. This is a city with an official population of 26 million but an actual population of 37 million and the world’s busiest port. So even getting to Shanghai and moving if she can get there is a problem. Maybe Beijing first. This whole catastrophe is not over yet.

          So while we are yearning to escape on holidays and business travel and family reunions, the world is not particularly welcoming yet and some countries are in real crisis, even without the war in Ukraine with four million people on the move and very high rates of TB. So tourists might have to sit. And consider also the requirements and even the quality of the health systems of the countries they wish to visit.

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            TdeF

            And maybe fifteen years ago when I would leave Beijing or Shanghai on many trips, everyone had to be scanned for temperature and get a special ticket to present on departure. They were trying to stop exit of Avian Flu which was spreading rapidly through the massive chicken farms.

            Not this time though as millions left for Milan and America during the pandemic in Wuhan while the head of WHO insisted that there was no problem and Clinton and Pelosi and the Democrats called Trump a Xenophobic. And later accused him of not closing the doors fast enough.

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            MP

            Shanghai, they are all Asymptomatic. Nobody is sick!
            Though with the worlds largest port the supply chain takes a massive hit, again.

            I also have the yellow book, 35 years of constant travel, never once been asked for it.

            You want to hide under your bed, feel free, do not dictate your wishes onto others. We did it your way for two years for nothing, time to let people choose their own path.

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          Dennis

          There seems to be confusion about international arrivals being detained in quarantine, even when approved by Immigration and Border Force to enter Australia via a Port of Airport then State Health authorities determine the quarantine requirement and enforce it.

          NSW is still trying to get QLD to pay for hotel quarantining of Queensland citizens in Sydney after international arrival, by agreement quarantined in Sydney for the QLD Government and with an agreement between States to pay for the service.

          As for travellers leaving Australia I have known for a long time that vaccination is required, for example I have a “COVID-19 Digital Certificate” on an app on my mobile device provided by Medicare and listing my now three vaccinations, date vaccinated and type. That information was also recorded on my Australian Passport record.

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        Graeme+P.

        The issue though is that the vaccinations make no difference in the transmissibility of the virus, the only thing they offer is limited personal protection.

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          TdeF

          And what that means is that you do not end up in a ventilator or in a country with no ventilators. Being very sick overseas is to be avoided, not just out of consideration for the people in that country but mainly again a matter of total self interest.

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            Robert Swan

            a matter of total self interest

            Please. Who needs, who wants, who trusts the government to look after their self interest?

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              TdeF

              That is exactly my point. You look after your own self interest.

              If you travel unvaccinated and you get really sick overseas, you are in real trouble, not the government. The government is acting reasonably at this point in making it clear that the business of government is not looking after your health when overseas nor allowing anyone to import diseases to Australia just because they are citizens. A holiday jaunt can be a threat to other Australians.

              Consider that the number of recommended vaccinations for India is amazing, except Yellow Fever which is not in India. But you can go without these things. Some countries will stop you if you do not have Yellow Fever vaccination as you become a risk to others. Your survival is your concern alone, not the government’s concern.

              Having been across Russia, Ukraine,Egypt, Jordan, China and more in the last decade, the biggest fear you should have is sickness in countries often with no health system at all, at least one you can access easily let alone cheaply. There is a great Australian invention which stops e-coli immediately and made countries like Egypt available (because everyone gets sick), but viruses, flus, Japanese encephalytis (now in Victoria) are not things you want to get ever, especially while overseas.

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                Robert Swan

                That is exactly my point. You look after your own self interest.

                Yes indeed. And with well equipped border guards to help me “look after my own self interest”.

                You can spin it however you like, but it is still outrageous.

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                Dennis

                When I first began travelling overseas a yellow vaccination record booklet was required to be presented with passport checked leaving Australia to ensure that vaccinations required by destination countries were administered and date valid, or booster valid.

                Vaccinations are still required by various countries for other than COVID-19, and for most for COVID-19 vaccination.

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            Ventilators? My understanding is that ventilators have not been widely used for Covid for some time. ICU physicians have been using anti virals, steroids & other drugs successfully for quite a while. Ventilators were often quite adverse for many Covid patients.

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              TdeF

              Point taken. My knowledge comes from press reports which have aged or just generalizations. And I expect the need for ventilators has dropped dramatically with the much lower severity of Omicron. My understanding is that they were a last ditch move with high fatality rates, so that is all good news.

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              Yes, Vicki. Everone is slightly different. I have read peer reviewed articles in medical journals from GPs that have treated patients with covid and kept them out of hospital. It appears GPs that have a patient record and are up with medical information are better at treatment than hospitals. Depending on the patient there are 4 treatments 1/ for those that have a blood problem such as DVT they are given aspirin (my wife takes a blood thinner but if traveling in a plane or even a car more than 2hrs she is advised to take aspirin) 2/ patients (especially those with an immune system problem) are given a steroid depressant to stop the immune system going wild 3/ an anti-hystamin to clear nose and throat 4/ given an anti-inflamatory

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            bobby b

            “And what that means is that you do not end up in a ventilator or in a country with no ventilators.”

            OK, now I understand your comment above about travel in the US being bad.

            You’re making this c**p up as you go.

            Certainly, your government has built a new Berlin Wall to keep y’all in if you’re unvaxxed just out of concern that you not travel anywhere without modern facilities.

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          I have doubts about that. I have haf two vaxes and two boosters. I believ that the second booster (which I believe has a small amount of the virus) actually gave me covid which I then passed on to my daughter and two grandchildren. I have seen articles and had advise from GPs that there should be 12 months between the 1st booster and the second. My own GP who was double vaxed and had a booster is now off with covid. A GP friend also caught covid after a booster. I recommend do not get a booster unless forced through job requirements (which should not exist)

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            TdeF

            I am not surprised that the GPs caught it. Nor are they. Part of the job really now. And they are not likely to be as sick, but bounce back quickly. Vaxes do not prevent infection because they cannot.

            I have always been against boosters in principle and the idea of maintaining peak antibody levels for a long time as there is a serious potential downside in permanently heightened immune systems. However given the timing with the Omicron strain now sweeping the country rapidly, everyone is going to get infected soon but hopefully nowhere near as sick. Then as I wrote above, they should get a note on their certificate that they have acquired resistance.

            Many people show no symptoms at all and some end up on respirators. If you became sick from a vaccination it can indicate that you would have had a much more severe reaction to the real thing, but least the vaccine cannot self replicate. So it is not necessarily a black mark against the vaccine but a warning of high susceptibility which makes the vaccine and even the booster more important.

            And personally I would love to know which strains people had, to watch for any new strains. In the latest report, most countries were over 99% Omicron.

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            Dennis

            I had the two Astra Zeneca vaccinations and recently one Pfizer booster vaccination, the first resulted in a sore shoulder and a mild hangover like feeling for maybe 24 hours, the second a sore shoulder only and same for the third and last.

            Speaking to family members and friends they had similar experiences.

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              Bruce

              If you read the on-line technical blurb that goes with these “vaccines”, you will see it clearly stated in print, that under no circumstances should there be “mix ‘, match” dosing. There has been NO, Zero, Zilch, “scientific study” on such practices. If the wheels fall off, as they probably will, the big Pharma types can point to their published warnings ans essentially “wash their hand”. The dozy bunnies at the local pharmacy? Not so much. The “experts” pulling down public serpent salaries that read like iSD phone numbers will be behind some serious shields, too.

              However. administering a third jab of a different flavour from the first two seems to be a popular indoor sport, here in Oz..

              Thus, it appears that a different game is afoot.

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                GreatAuntJanet

                Exactly! Completely unfollowingthescience to mix and match these jabs. I took the first two and no more, in the main because of the insistence that it was OK to get a different ‘flavour’.

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          Dennis

          I believe most Australians do not understand that vaccinations are protection and do not provide immunity from the virus, and that patients admitted to hospital who catch the virus are then treated with anti-viral drugs.

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        OldOzzie

        [Duplicate. – LVA] – Que?

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        Damon

        Covid is not, and never was a ‘deadly virus”. It is not even in the top ten, and the overall survival rate is better than 99.5%. It is a media manufactured event. How many times have you seen the death of a 90 year old make the front pages?

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      Bozotheclown

      What!!!!! You cannot leave your own Country if you have not been jabbed. That is just plain ridiculous

      Well Seriously, Australia was a PENAL colony was it not?

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        TdeF

        Best prison in the world. Full of Scots, Irish, Englishmen, plenty of food and sunshine and no neighbours. But it can be boring so far from everywhere else and people are really frustrated. 12 million Australians would go overseas each year, which means just about every adult in the country. It is very frustrating being locked up in paradise
        [SNIP 18C and Off topic. Please! – Jo]

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          TdeF

          And there are still the undeniable attractions of the Big Lobster, Big Penguin, Big pineapple, Big potato, Giant Koala, Big Banana.

          Plus there are the iconic Twelve Apostles (of which there are only seven)

          and The Melbourne Star Observation Wheel (from which you can see the mud flats of Melbourne but which has been closed for most of its life and has been sold)

          What brings so many Japanese though are the fairy penguins as the Northern Hemisphere does not have penguins (except a few around the Galapagos) and penguins are classic and much more likeable than giant polar bears. Of course if the polar bears were really facing extinction with rapid Global Warming, they and the other arctic predators could be established in Antarctica, but then you would have no penguins.

          But with great food and 37,000 km of coastline and pristine beaches, deserts and tropical climates, spiders, snakes and government protected crocodiles there is a vast amount of empty space to enjoy at your leisure. Which is why most Australians run away at least once a year.

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          Annie

          When, supposedly, only the vaxxed were permitted entry, why and how did Omicron arrive? It wasn’t the unvaxxed who brought it in.
          I can go through Dubai and enter England, but can’t escape from here and therefore I am not permitted to see my almost 100 year old mother? Because I can’t get out of this country without the severe stress of having to apply for an exemption, which has a large chance of being knocked back by some unfeeling bureaucrat?

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            TdeF

            Vaccination does not prevent infection or passing it on and the viral load is the same, so yes, it is likely the vaxxed brought it in. And not just one person, many.

            And one Chinese engineer just went back to China on Sunday and it was vastly more difficult and months of waiting for her to get a Visa for China to see her husband and parents 92 and 93 than it was to get out of Australia! So it is all possible, just very difficult. The world of international travel is just opening. Slowly. So apply.

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              It’s not “likely” the vaxxed brought the virus in, it’s guaranteed. Not only were vaccinations mandatory for inward flights, but if the first Delta or omicron spreader had been an unvaccinated exemption we’d have never heard the end of it.

              Nearly everyone who caught Covid in Australia caught it in a chain from a vaccinated traveller.

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                Annie

                Exactly Jo, so why am I and many like me, who value and look after our overall health, being persecuted for daring to uphold our right to refuse to take part in a global experiment using novel gene therapy?

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        yarpos

        Yes and the US was a slave colony, but things tend to change

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      I completely agree

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        ? Whatever that means. [Relates to Snipped]

        Just to elaborate on my comment. People should be free to leave. The restriction is on Australian passport holders and the passport travel conditions are set by the government for entry and exit. However, every single time you travel with an Australian passport you are doing so under terms and conditions, not just the vaccination status t&c. One condition as a next step could be that unvaccinated are free to leave if they accept that they are liable for any consequences that come from being unvaccinated such as hospitalisation costs in another country (we have some reciprocal agreements that could be withheld) or issues concerning lockdowns or freedom of movement overseas.

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        Popeye26

        GA – Just a follow up on your comment to me about Monica Smit and your statement (duplicate post unfortunately since deleted by admin) that I was misleading about her going to jail.

        Know your FACTS instead of perpetuating BS: https://lawofmarkets.com/2021/09/26/monica-smit-released-from-jail/

        Cheers 🙂

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      max

      What!!!!! You cannot leave your own Country if you have not been jabbed. That is just plain ridiculous

      Well you give bureaucrats power to stop people coming in, and than you get surprised when they expand their power and stop people from going out as well.

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      Popeye26

      I wanted to get this as high on the comments page as possible so that everybody here has the opportunity to read this.

      If you are sick of what’s happened over the last two years and want to change things then look here for ideas on how to. Monica Smit who spent 22 days in jail in Melbourne because she REFUSED to sign a document saying she wouldn’t start political movement against Dan Andrews government did so immediately after a magistrate did eventually concede she could be held no longer.

      See here: https://www.reignitedemocracyaustralia.com.au/

      They are currently holding nightly (started on Monday but earlier sessions can be replayed) “How to Vote” sessions on Zoom, Facebook and the web. You must register and it’s VERY informative.

      This is now exploding Australia wide and if you truly care about FREEDOM and upholding the legacy of what our forefathers fought and died for then PLEASE have a look and if you think it’s worthwhile for you then great.

      They DO NOT recommend ANY particular party just NOT Liberal/Labor/Greens all of which care for themselves and NONE of us normal Australians. The two/almost three party state is why we’ve had to undergo the last two years of totalitarian control over our lives.

      They are also working in conjunction with Jeff Grimshaw who introduced his truly amazing new tool with a video you must not miss!

      The Put the Majors Last tool for creating How to Vote cards will be available at http://www.majorslast.com (not yet live but I’ve seen how it works and it’s AMAZING).

      Cheers,

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      It’s still off topic.

      Monica Smit who spent 22 days in jail in Melbourne because she REFUSED to sign a document saying she wouldn’t start political movement against Dan Andrews government did so immediately after a magistrate did eventually concede she could be held no longer.

      this is untrue as you know. What has she done with all the donations she received?

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        Popeye26

        You know GA – if you were capable of doing HALF of what she has achieved in a very short space of time you wouldn’t be on here spreading crap so often me thinks.

        BTW – have a non partisan look at what is being proposed instead of being critical of everyone else’s achievements. BTW – she waas a political PRISONER – PROVE ME WRONG!!!!

        But we know who you really are here – just a negative person with very little outside of you own bubble.

        Cheers – be happy with Liberal or Labor – can’t say later you weren’t warned.

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    Erasmus

    Australian politicians have two leading failures on their record. Top of the plops is Energy, but the late-finishing Covid Tyranny has galloped along to take second place. Both have Economic Disaster as a running mate.

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    David Maddison

    I have been stating this fact on this blog for some time but almost no one seemed to care or notice.

    You’d think Australia would be pleased to rid itself of approximately 10% of the population who are unvaxxed political dissidents.

    Or are they required to be kept in the Gulag as slaves? Or is the prohibition on leaving punishment? Or both?

    And there is absolutely no sign that the restrictions will be lifted.

    You’d think any party who wanted to win the next Federal election and pick up, up to 10% of the votes would make this an election “promise”.

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      Peter C

      I think it will be an election promise of several of the Freedom Friendly minor parties; ie Lib Dems, PHON, UAP, Australia One.
      I will find out about UAP tomorrow.

      The Federal Election is just around the corner and this is another big reason Not to Vote for Morrison.

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        David Maddison

        Peter, I should have specified major parties.

        I realise the smaller conservative parties have more rational policies.

        That’s one reason my primary vote won’t be going to the Liberals but to small conservative parties.

        And for those that say that strategy is wasting my vote, what difference does it make? Liberals are only slightly less bad than Green Labor.

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        RickWill

        The Federal Election is just around the corner and this is another big reason Not to Vote for Morrison.

        The race in representatives will be between LNP and ALP. Will there be any independents? I still believe LNP is better than ALP. Can you imagine Penny Wong being in a position of authority again? So it will be your preference that counts the most. I think only the Greens have enough support to get a rep seat.

        In the upper house, there is every prospect of a large and influential crossbench. Both UAP and PHON appeal to me mainly because Craig Kelly and Malcolm Roberts are independent thinkers. There might be more among their ranks.

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          GlenM

          There are many in the ALP that are outright disgusting; one is Wong another is Dreyfus. There are others. There be stormy seas about.

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          GlenM

          In considering UAP I would like to know what Clive Palmer’s stunt with Al Gore was all about before I put a pebble in his box.

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            Peter C

            It is a reasonable question GlenM and I haven’t had a reply when I asked my local UAP candidate. I don’t think she had heard of Al Gore.

            I will ask her again tonight.

            However consider this. Clive has many faults but right now he is doing the right thing and challenging the uniparties right to govern us. He is funding the UAP campaign himself.

            Would you vote Labor right now, ahead of the UAP becasue of something that Clive did in the past?

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      Klem

      Asking the government for permission to get on a plane. What kind of man would be ok with this?

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      Sambar

      “Or are they required to be kept in the Gulag as slaves? ”

      Well the short answer is “YES” Dick tator Dan has just extended his emergency powers for another 3 months to, you know, keep us safe.
      Open crowds at the football, Moomba parade, Grand Prix, a promise, yet to be fulfilled is no restrictions on crowds for ANZAC day march, lets see what he can pull out to make sure we cant celebrate this day which is so special to many people.

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      RoHa

      Exactly! Why do they want to keep us disgusting, filthy, germ-ridden, unvaxxed, Bolshie types in the country?

      Surely better to let us go and infect – and thus weaken – foreign competitors.

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        philemon

        But the WHO claims they’re protecting the world now. Geesh, didn’t you get the memo?

        “Vaccinated” super-spreader events are fine. It would have been worse without the vax, right? Letting politicians, “vaccinated” or not, globe-trot is fine, even if they have a virus, because let’s face it, their policies are way worse than any virus they might spread. You gotta keep things in perspective.

        Unvaccinated people, most of whom probably have either innate or post-infection durable immunity cannot be allowed to travel because they are naughty and didn’t do what the TV/Social Media/Fack-Chekas told them to do.

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    Eng_Ian

    Once a prisoner island, always a prisoner island. And it’s all for your own safety, (so they say).

    Why isn’t there a process to get rid of bad legislation, a simple registration of complaint would work, somewhere the public can lodge their formal objection to a law and then the law is revoked. I’d recommend that rejection should occur if 30% of the voting public object.

    If you think 30% is too low, remember half the voting public couldn’t care less. If you have ever had a conversation on the law with the average punter you’d see the waste that is compulsory voting. Thank goodness for slip on shoes.

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      David Maddison

      All legislation should also have a sunset clause, no longer than the term of the government. That way it can be constantly reviewed and assessed and would give intellectually lazy politicians something to do.

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    Scernus

    So when do I get the refund for my 10 year passport?

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    Not only can I not leave Australia ( not that I have any desire to right now ), I cannot even visit my own Mother in a local aged care facility. As we all well know, if you are vaccinated…and boosted…you can still carry and pass on Covid. But, as I decided not to partake of the clot shot, I am not allowed into an aged care facility. I’m not even allowed to tuen up with a negative RAT test.

    However, if you are vaccinated, there are no restrictions to entry.

    I cannot see the difference between a vaccinated individual carrying Covid into an aged care facility and myself, but the Government can. I’ll never forgive of forget what these bastards are doing.

    Apparently , my Mum is better off sitting alone in her room.

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      GlenM

      I really sympathize with you Glenn. Unfortunately it has affected many of us who have elderly kin in care. I cannot believe how supine as a nation we have become.

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      Hi Glenn, the vaccines that are not Astra Zeneca have never been shown to have a clotting risk.

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        Annie

        No, just over 1,200 other adverse effects up to and including death.

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          I addressed his clot concern which seemed paramount.

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            Annie

            Clot has another meaning.

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              OK. I addressed one meaning.

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                Gee Aye. there are lots of other kinds of clots, and the other vaccines appear to be implicated in All Cause Mortality increases often due to heart attacks and strokes. Just because AZ and the adenovirus vectors have a known risk of a particular weird rare clot does not therefore mean the other vaccines don’t carry risks of normal ordinary clots also known as “heart attacks” and “strokes”.

                The other new wildly experimental vaccines have not been shown NOT to cause clotting because the data is all commercial in confidence and Pfizer wanted to hide it for 75 years.

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        My recollection is that the very first vax death in Oz was a 50 year woman who died of brain clotting very soon after AZ vax.

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        WendyB

        Never? Are you sure you want to continue with that statement? 🤔

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          Yes… note I said “shown to be” and “risk”. I never made an absolute statement about clotting occurring.

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            WendyB

            You said, and I quote “ Hi Glenn, the vaccines that are not Astra Zeneca have never been shown to have a clotting risk.”
            J&J “vaccine”…….” The FDA has ordered that a warning on the risk of immune thrombocytopenia (“ITP”), a blood clotting disorder, be added to the fact sheet given to healthcare providers that administer the Johnson & Johnson (NYSE:JNJ) COVID-19 vaccine.”
            I only need this to disprove your statement. There are papers discussing the blood clotting reactions to the Moderna and Pfizer “vaccines”. All you have to do is search for them.

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        Mick

        Not as much clotting, just severe neurological and heart problems with some shingles, bells palsy and guillain barre syndrome thrown in. Not to mention the ‘fully vaccinated’ appear to be super spreaders of covid.

        Ex champion footballer, now commentator Matthew Lloyd was diagnosed with bells palsy recently and would you believe it, his mother in law also contracted the condition, as did an ex team mate of his. I recall a nsw health minister and a canadian health official suffering the drooped faces during press conferences pushing the faux vaccines. Must be climate change…

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    OldOzzie

    As I had Seniors Flu Vax yesterday was, asked by GP when I was going to get vaccinated now Novavax – said would leave at moment till over post op (then told at Hospital new op next week to tidy up)

    Told her it was B’obvious Vaccines don’t work and reminded her of US CDC changing on 1 September 2021, definition of Vaccine from “Provides Immunity” to “Provides Protection” which Pfizer definitely does NOT, as my Family of 5 in Europe, all triple Pfizer doses all got Covid over 1 and 1/2 weeks, so why bother, was going to stick with antivirals approach of last 2 years.

    In the meantime

    Study: 4th booster protects the elderly… for four weeks

    My GP said they believe it is going to be a bad Flu season in Australia, which is the reason she suggested yesterday Flu Vax early April rather than my usual Late Apr/Early May – agreed with her will have second Flu Vax later in year

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      Forrest Gardener

      There is general agreement that the covid injections are not vaccinations. Are the flu vaccines worthy of the title?

      Disclaimer: never had a flu injection. don’t recall ever having the flu.

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      Earl

      Do you know whether you got the old style flu shot incubated in egg or the mDCK dog kidney cell line incubated?

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        OldOzzie

        Specifically asked my GP “this is not a Pfizer Flu Vaccine” – no, Australian Seniors Flu Vaccine

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          Earl

          “this is not a Pfizer Flu Vaccine… It is the other new poison” LOL.
          Best wishes, stay safe. Cheers

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          Lucky

          Australian Seniors Flu Vaccine
          These are for flu not wuhu.

          Two brands.
          Each protect against three viruses and are known as trivalents, they are:

          Fluzone High Dose by Sanofi-Aventis and

          Fluad by Seqirus.

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      Ross

      Got the flu vax early in 2017 because I was visiting elderly parents etc. Then got the flu in September and bedridden for a couple of days. Get it early and there is chance the flu could change. Remember, the flu vax is based on a best guess estimate by vaccine developers. So, basically you need to get jabbed every 3 months. That rings alarm bells for me.

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        Ronin

        I got the flu jab a few years ago when it was in short supply, ended up getting it in late winter, heard on the news later in the year that it was only 10% effective against the current strain.

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    reformed warmist of Logan

    Good morning Jo,
    Yes, yet more proof that we’ve just been through 2 years of hell, aka. the world’s first panic-demic!
    As George Christensen lately in his valedictory speech to Federal Parliament, shutting the world down for a medical epidemic that has a fatality rate of less than 0.03% is verging on insane, or words to that effect.
    BTW. Please don’t start moralising to me about every life is important, I should know as I was the first person to find one of the first suicides of the Panic-demic in my own street two years ago last month, and I have been permanently affected by this.
    At no time in the last two years have we been provided with information about how many deaths (both suicide & untreated cancer), divorces & business failings have been caused by our Premiers zeal to keep hitting the “Great Reset” “Economic Freeze” buzzer.
    I hope this madness is all resolved in weeks/months, and not years.
    Warm regards, reformed warmist of Logan.

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    OldOzzie

    Objective:Health – Covid Restrictions Dropping Around the World

    Covid restrictions are continuing to drop around the planet right now, much to the chagrin of the Covid Karens who are refusing to let up on the mask-wearing and social distancing. People in countries which are stubbornly refusing to drop restrictions may do best to just hang on – since the world seems to basically be in lock-step on this, it probably won’t be long before they’re dropped everywhere.

    Join us on this episode (23 Min 11 Sec) of Objective:Health as we look into the mass dropping of Covid restrictions. How long before they’re back?

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    GlenM

    Any suggestions about the 3rd and 4th shots being mandatory? I stopped at dual jabs of astra and I ain’t going any further. So far I don’t think I’ve contracted the bug.

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      yarpos

      Was sitting at a car club lunch yesterday with a bunch of older people all talking about their booster shots. They are up to number four, and so happy about it. One said it was the only thing keeping them “safe” and the others nodded in agreement. I asked how long they think they would be having boosters and they just shrugged , so it seems they are resigned to lining up every few months for the rest of their lives.

      Its just as well other actual vaccines actually vaccinate or we really would end up being pin cushions.

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      Ronin

      “Any suggestions about the 3rd and 4th shots being mandatory? I stopped at dual jabs of astra and I ain’t going any further. So far I don’t think I’ve contracted the bug.”

      Same here.

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    Angus Black

    You know you’re living under dictatorial oppression when national borders are designed to keep the inmates in…

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    Someone up there said “dangerous virus”.
    I’m unvaccinated – just had Covid – it’s over now – it’s the mildest cold I ever had. Boy oh boy I do not regret not taking the poisonous vaccine. Despite I’m still on long service leave then unpaid leave starting next week. What a con this has all been. I’m 53 years old and still healthy. Our government, the TGA, the AHPRA and the health departments need to be flushed down the toilet, right out of our system. Scott Morrison – what a disappointment you are you double minded con artist, supporting the fourth industrial revolution and the WEF while pretending to be a Christian.

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    David Maddison

    I know someone who missed out on two family weddings overseas because they were conscientious objectors to compulsory covid vaccination and despite their best efforts, the cruel bureaucrats of the Australian Government refused to grant an exemption.

    And when is Morrison going to retract his lie that “there is no vaccine mandate in Australia” (or very similar words)?

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    David Maddison

    Society is splitting in two: People who are driven by fear who want to be ruled over, and people who are driven by love and want to be free.

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    David Maddison

    Here is an excellent video concerning modern society’s obsession with “fear” and “safety” which obviously has direct consequences for many aspects of life in Nanny State Australia.

    Video: “Fear Psychosis and the Cult of Safety – Why are People so Afraid?”

    https://youtu.be/wIl39KKrmmo

    13.5 mins duration.

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      David Maddison

      It also talks about fear bringing about “inverted quarantine” where the healthy quarantine themselves from the sick. Where have we seen that…?

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    skeptocynic

    When I worked in a custodial facility in close physical contact with the inmates we were not allowed to know who had serious communicable diseases because it was considered “discriminatory”, (although we could tell Hepatitis sufferers by their yellow eyes).

    Consequently our health was at stake and occasionally suffered.
    Preventing staff from serious infection was considered less important than the appearance of preventing the mortal sin of discrimination.

    Now we have a disease so sacred, (even though the fatality rate is less than 0.03%), that “discrimination” is now mandatory!

    This whole fiasco proves that people are stupid and governments are “owned”.

    Klaus openly bragged he owns half of the Canadian members of government.
    Trudeau, Ardern, Zelensky and the rest, all graduates of Klaus’s Young Global Leaders cult.

    Now they’re trying to indoctrinate primary school kids, and succeeding!

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    Ross

    No, it’ not about health. It’s all about vaccine hesitancy and we all know this because of the bans and censorship of possible non vaccine treatments. For example, there are a lot of cancer patients in Australia, who can receive monoclonal antibody treatments if they contract COVID. But all the haematologists and cancer doctors have been told not to publicise this. Same reason- if the general public found out that there are effective treatments for COVID, they would not get the jab.

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    another ian

    Goes with this thread – and others (IMO)

    Latest Kunstler

    “A Theory of the Case”

    “You have been boldly lied-to by them with absolute consistency for years now….”

    “https://kunstler.com/clusterf234-nation/a-theory-of-the-case/”

    Edit to link

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    David Maddison

    Related story. Has the ban on HCQ for early covid treatment been revoked in Queensland? Am I reading it right? I can’t see the full story due to paywall. Is the whole narrative falling apart?

    Don’t let any of these people get away with denying they were against alternative evidence-based treatments and prophylaxis for covid.

    Sorry, this article is paywalled.

    https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/drug-ban-that-threatened-most-doctors-with-13000-fine-if-prescribed-revoked/news-story/c36932da8d690116ce921a9461312671

    Restrictions that threatened doctors with a $13000 fine if they prescribed a certain drug revoked
    A 2020 Queensland Health order banning doctors from prescribing an antimalarial drug and threatening them with a $13,000 fine if they did, has been revoked. This is why.

    Jodie Munro O’Brien

    April 6, 2022 – 7:21PM

    SEE LINK FOR REST BUT IT IS PAYWALLED

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    Peter Fitzroy

    who here has a small vaccination scar?

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      Peter Fitzroy

      Smallpox

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      OldOzzie

      You mean SmallPox scar?

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        OldOzzie

        Snap – Yes have SmallPox Scar

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          Peter Fitzroy

          Why do you have one?

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            OldOzzie

            Why do you have one? – Pass – my wife has one as well, as do friends who had SmallPox vaccinations at the same time

            One guy from IBM (coming with us all overseas) Wife had a really bad reaction and spent 2 weeks in Hospital

            How did the vaccination work?

            The smallpox vaccine is delivered in a unique manner compared to many other vaccines used today. For example, a flu shot is delivered in a one-time stick using a single needle point that goes through several layers of skin and into the muscle. The smallpox vaccine is given using a special bifurcated (two-prong) needle. Instead of puncturing the skin one time, the person administering the vaccine will make multiple punctures in the skin to deliver the virus to the skin’s dermis, which is the layer just below the epidermis that is visible to the world. The vaccine doesn’t penetrate to the deeper skin layers, such as the subcutaneous tissue.

            When the virus reaches this dermal layer, it starts to multiply. This causes a small, round bump known as a papule to develop. The papule then develops into a vesicle, which looks like a fluid-filled blister. Ultimately, this blistered area will scab over. While this signals what doctors usually regard as a successful vaccination, it can leave a mark for some people.

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              another ian

              One bloke in my father’s intake batch to WW2 RAAF had a really bad reaction – a scab about 20 mm across which meant the arm action that went with marching was agony. He went to the MO with it.

              The response he got was –

              “Jeez – that’s how I like to see ’em”

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              Peter Fitzroy

              the point was if you traveled it was mandatory, and you had to carry a passport to prove it.

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                So PEter? Smallpox killed 30% and the vaccine worked. What has that got to do with Covid, apart from to highlight how ridiculous the current rules are?

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                Peter Fitzroy

                Before I was dragged off topic by the bots, Jo, I was pointing out that vaccine restrictions on travel were not new. Thus we are recapitulating history

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      David Maddison

      What is your point Peter?

      Smallpox was a deadly disease.

      COVID for people without well known comorbidities such as obesity, immune deficiency, vitamin D and zinc deficiency, no access to HCQ or Ivermectin etc. is not a very deadly disease.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        the rates for unvaccinated are about the same for both Smallpox and Covid – I do wish you would do some basic research first (ard as it is for bots of your generation)

        The point for smallpox was this
        it was not endemic in Australia.
        therefore if you traveled to a country with endemic smallpox, a vaccination was required to maintain that clean status
        So there is really no difference between then and now

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        Grogery

        And the smallpox vaccine actually works.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    why do you have one?

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      Bozotheclown

      Sorry, If you don’t have one can you leave Australia? That would be more close to the topic if you were reading.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        The topic is discrimination on the basis of vaccination status, not about leaving a country

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      mawm

      One simply cannot compare a vastly more lethal, non-mutagenic virus and a live attenuated vaccine with this rubbish we have been put through – a highly mutagenic virus with a mortality of less than 1% of smallpox, mass roll out of a non-sterilising “Vaccine” during a pandemic and isolation of the healthy. The only reason they have got away with it has been their campaign of fear and enough people willing to absorb the lies and deception by their government.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        i did and mortality for then unvaccinated of both is about the same

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          Robert Swan

          You should look at smallpox mortality amongst American natives when Europeans arrived. I think you’ll find that it was a bit worse with their naive immune systems than SARSCoV2 has been with ours.

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            Peter Fitzroy

            it was lethal to a wide range of american natives both north and south, and the asians. Some geographers argue that the high death rates caused reforestation of large areas of the Americas and tipping the globe into the LIA, according to the podcast ‘history of the 20th century’ by Mark Painter

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          mawm

          Apart from your reply being incomprehensible here are some facts with their references.

          30% is the fatality rate reported in Kotar, S., & Gessler, J. (2013). Smallpox: A History. Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland & Company.

          Koplan and Foster (1979) reported a range of 15 to 45%. Koplan, J., & Foster, S. (1979). Smallpox: Clinical Types, Causes of Death, and Treatment. Journal Of Infectious Diseases, 140(3), 440-441.

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    Honk R Smith

    Is NZ doing this?
    I was wrong.
    I thought NZ would would win the Covid Crazy Competition.
    Looks like OZ gets the trophy.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Set Australia Free Scott Morrison…” These words could be an election winner slogan for Albanese if he was prepared to do the sane thing and reverse the ‘no jab no leave’ policy. If Albanese and the ALP are good for anything, this would be a good start and a ray of hope for the persecuted.

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    WendyB

    One of my friends and her family, unvaxxed, have succeeded in escaping…….but it wasn’t for 3+ months…it was to move back permanently (or until such time as the mandates re no jab no job are reversed). She is an ER nurse too. One of many that have declined to participate in the worldwide clinical trials.
    I could apply to leave also and maybe get approved BUT I would have problems returning to Australia and definitely would have problems getting back into Western Australia. Interestingly, there are FB groups to talk people thru getting travel exemptions and groups geared towards leaving permanently.
    Speaking of WA, Speculation is that McGowan is going to extend the state of emergency into July. At the same time he is spending millions on tourism campaigns……

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      Ross

      Yes, again we are really not one nation but a collection of state fiefdoms. How can Victoria and WA be still approving 3 month SOE conditions and Qld appearing to be going the opposite way. NSW somewhere in the middle, but generally all still clinging to the crazy close contact isolation rules. I have watched those WA ads here in Vic – they are cringe worthy.

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        redress

        Ross….the Northern Territory and South Australia have also dropped all restrictions except some on mask wearing

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        Henceforth I shall refer to my home state as Ándrew’s Fiefdom.

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        MP

        QLD have just extended there SOE, Virtually the entire cabinet including the Libs voted for it. Three readings but after voting for the extension in the first two and after realising that without the Libs it would pass anyway, they reversed their position……Dogs.

        Most states have also extended their SOE’s.

        QLD lifted some of there restrictions, as the Chook said, it had achieved its purpose 94% vaccination rate.

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    OldOzzie

    Jo on an American Site SOTT – Sign of the Times

    Unvaccinated Australians can’t leave Australia — unless they escape
    Joanne Nova
    JoNova
    Wed, 06 Apr 2022 22:53 UTC

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    RickWill

    I overheard two young women discussing Covid in a supermarket yesterday. The gist of their discussion was they agreed they needed to get Covid to be well protected. There was some disappointment that they had both avoided it so far. That supported my contention that it is now well known that natural immunity affords the best protection against future infection.

    There is very clear evidence that natural immunity is much more effective than high level of vaccination from the perspective of passing on the virus. Even Russia has fewer cases than Australia now:
    https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=Russia&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=Australia%2CUnited%20States%2CNew%20Zealand#countries-normalized
    It is evident that countries that have experienced high level of cases are now not spreading the virus as fast as places that have not yet experienced high case numbers. Some of the difference may be reporting systems but Australia is relying heavily on self-reporting.

    Russia’s fatality rate is now at 1.7% so that is poor compared to Australia at just 0.13%. So vaccinations are still playing a role in reducing severity.

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      Simon Thompson.

      I am curious that 2% of the Jab don’t partake JabJab, and 1/3 of JabJab don’t have JabJabJab.
      All cause mortality is the parameter to observe. It was not an issue prior to Jab mandates.
      First SIX months of 2021 – under 900 cases in Oz and ONE fatality.
      First THREE months of 2022 4,083,495 cases and 3709 deaths.
      CFR approx 1/1000 in both instances.
      And there is Data for Fauxination being 1000x times more dangerous than any other vaccine but still the “rollout” continues.

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        RickWill

        All cause mortality is the parameter to observe. It was not an issue prior to Jab mandates.

        Australia is one of a small number of countries that has consistently recorded negative excess deaths since the beginning of 2020. That situation may change as omicron spreads rapidly and still gets people into hospital directly or indirectly.

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          Rick, fatality rates in Australia are very hard to compare to Russia. We avoided most of the nasty variants. We had a much higher testing rate. We also may have higher Vitamin D levels. Who knows? The difference in fatality is likely to be mostly Delta cases versus Omicron.

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    OldOzzie

    VACCINE EFFECTIVENESS IS FADING

    For the last year, liberals have demanded hysterically that everyone be vaccinated against covid. Many people who preferred not to be vaccinated, for whatever reason, have lost their jobs. Others have been denied access to restaurants and other public accommodations. But how well do the covid vaccines actually work?

    Relatively soon after they became available, it became obvious that the vaccines do not necessarily prevent one from contracting, or spreading, covid. Fine, liberals said: the real point is that the vaccines prevent you from getting seriously ill so as to require hospitalization or even die. For a while, that claim seemed plausible. But more recent data indicate that whatever effectiveness the vaccines may have had at preventing serious illness is slipping away.

    At Healthy Skeptic, “breakthrough” cases, hospitalizations and deaths are tracked over time for each age cohort. The data come from Minnesota, but there is no apparent reason why other states would show different results. You can see all of the charts at the link, but here are the key ones:

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Here is a set of Dirty Dozen questions about Covid.
    Included are many important questions that have evaded official Australian government answers or statements. Some are:
    1. Is there advantage or harm from vaccination of people who have already had Covid infection hence natural immunity?
    2. How many weeks is effective protection lasting after vaccination with 1 jab, 2 jabs, 3 jabs, 4 jabs, 5 jabs?
    3. For young children, mostly so far unvaccinated in Australia, what is the relative risk of vaccination-induced protection versus natural induced protection from having had Covid?
    4. What is the expert estimation of the probability of a new Covid strain that will out-compete Omicron strains in infection rate, but be more serious in harm from infection?
    5. What is the real reason for placing restrictions on doctors offering treatments like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine?
    6. Are there now firm numbers measuring deaths “From Covid” versus “With Covid”?
    7. Did Australia have any financial inducements for hospitals or doctors to rank Covid as a cause of death when other factors were probable? (There were some USA examples where hospital subsidies were higher if Covid was involved).
    8. Why did Australia have fewer excess deaths in 2020 and 2021 than expected from excess death calculations from prior years? (Almost all other countries had more excess deaths during Covid years.)
    9. Are numbers available for the number of deaths expected from ill patients not using normal procedures like screening for breast cancer because Covid was a deterrent to normal medical protocols for one reason or another?
    10. What criteria will be used to determine that this Covid episode is finished for Australia, to the extent that no further government regulation is required.
    11. Was Covid already finished as of 1 April 2022, in the sense that no more restrictive government interventions would produce societal gains?
    12. Can Australian governments back out of agreements made in the heat of the moment, like Joint Ventures with vaccination makers, such as building Australian vaccine manufacturing plant?
    Geoff S

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      NuThink

      @Geoff Sherrington

      12. Can Australian governments back out of agreements made in the heat of the moment, like Joint Ventures with vaccination makers, such as building Australian vaccine manufacturing plant?

      I have recollection that Dan The Man in Vic backed out of some road building contracts, that he promised would not cost anything (except for about a billion dollars). But then what is a billion dollars to a politician?

      Not forgetting that no one in government knew who allocated 30 million to a hotel security company and who paid it.

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    John Connor II

    Simple solution – let’s have a locally developed protein based vax without a 30 page list of adverse reactions.
    Then I’ll consider taking it. Now – where to go that isn’t just as bad…

    Meanwhile outside the convict colony:

    Mandatory vaccination in the EU.

    After June 30 2022

    * The European Council has amended resolution 2361 and no longer objects to compulsory vaccination.

    * As of July 1 2022 the EU has announced the legislation for the mandatory EU COVID 19 Certificates that deprive you of all freedoms if you do not have a QR covid certificate. If there is a majority of member states signing the legislation, compulsory vaccination will be introduced.

    * At the end of 2022/2023 there will be a digital currency.

    * The EU will impose a digital ID on every EU citizen. (The Dutch already have this and are already referring to the EU version on the digld.nl website)

    * All ATMs will be replaced by QR code ATMs in the near future, Belgium is already installing them full swing.

    *If these QR code machines are integrated, cash can no longer be withdrawn from banks and/or elsewhere.

    *The EU aims to make cash completely worthless within 18 months.

    *The EU resolution permanently deprives every person of their physical integrity.

    https://tapnewswire.com/2022/04/mandatory-vaccination-for-the-eu-just-went-through-under-the-radar/

    I warned you 😅😅

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=7Q8hAb230OE

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      John

      I have never heard of this web site and have never heard of these regulations. I am British. If these stories were true our very anti EU newspapers would surely be all over it

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    John Connor II

    PUTIN’S VACCINE PASSPORT: starting Monday in Moscow, you must be vaccinated and obtain a QR code to enter all restaurants, cafes and bars.

    Starting Monday, all restaurants, cafes and bars in Moscow will only allow in customers who have been vaccinated against COVID-19, recovered from the virus within the past six months or can provide a negative coronavirus test carried out in the previous 72 hours.

    To prove their credentials, customers will need to obtain a QR code at one of several government websites.

    The Kremlin also said on Tuesday that people who were not vaccinated against COVID-19 or did not have immunity would be unable to work in all workplaces in Russia and that those people could be discriminated against.

    “The reality is such that discrimination will inevitably set in. People without vaccination or immunity will not be able to work everywhere. It is not possible. It will pose a threat to those around them.”

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/22/russia-highest-daily-covid-death-toll-since-february

    Covid is NOTHING compared to what follows it. I’ve said that since day 1 and the reality of that claim will become clear soon enough.

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    another ian

    More covid?

    “Defibrillators to be rolled out across Melbourne’s north in effort to curb dire cardiac arrest figures”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-03/victorian-fatal-cardiac-arrest-cases-rising/100948022

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      John Connor II

      A defibrillator shortage…
      (Different to the ventilator shortage in the USA that the top 3 manufacturing company reporting and Wall St data said didn’t exist and in fact sales declined markedly…)
      Coles and Woolies have defibs and they’ll probably need them giving the direction of food prices.

      Today I went to get tested to see if I’m sick.
      Tomorrow I’m going to the cemetery to see if I’m dead.
      (If I am dead I intend to vote in the US elections 😅)

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    Katzenjammer

    I should apply for an exit permit under two exceptions

    need urgent medical treatment that is not available in Australia

    your travel is in the national interest

    It’s in the national interest for me to leave because I’m not fully vaccinated, and I urgently need the Australian vaccine that’s not available in Australia.

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    Went to withdraw cash from my local friendly ATM
    half an hour ago. It’s no longer there!

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    John Connor II

    2.9 million people died from Pneumonia and Influenza in 2018 in the USA.
    Cases mysteriously drop by 98% in 2020.
    2.8 million die from “Covid” in 2020.

    Does anyone need help with that?

    Can’t wait for Rob Malone’s WEF data dump 😉

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      Please — check your numbers before you post.

      “2.9 million people *DIDNT* die from Pneumonia and Influenza in 2018 in the USA.”. Actual recorded influenza deaths in the US are tiny in comparison (around 3,000 – 15,000). Most people don’t get tested so the CDC makes up an estimated number. The CDC estimates the “burden” of influenza deaths in 2017-2018 was 79,000.

      Pneumonia is a whole different thing caused by many many different infectious agents, but even so the entire deaths worldwide of pnumonia is about 3 million. That’s global, not “the US”.

      And cases of influenza didn’t mysteriously drop. It was entirely predictable from 50 year old microbiology textbooks. The R0 of influenza is only 1.4 — it is easily stopped by the action people took to reduce the spread of Covid with an Ro ranging from 3 – 8. Once the R0 is below 1, any infection will die out. The disappearance of influenza is just maths.

      All other common respiratory diseases were also reduced — apart from RSV. What it is about Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) that has led to increases — especially in summer — is a very interesting question. It may be that general immunity to RSV is better in times when other respiratory viruses circulate. RSV — by the way — is a common virus that you will catch many times in your lifetime and natural immunity is short-lived.

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    Martin

    I’m a filthy unvaxxed vermin Aussie and I got out. I applied 8 times but finally got an exemption. I don’t know why… I think I just got lucky. I will NEVER go back, but I have experience so if anyone wants advice feel free to contact me

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    What is to prevent me sailing off in my yacht to NZ , Fiji, Bali etc etc ?
    Are the fun police going to chase me just to check my vax status ?

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    Parallel universe crazy. I am in Thailand at the moment and it has been a crazy experience travelling from Australia. Thailand will sink into the sea without the amount of paperwork they are generating around Covid. I had 2 Astra Zeneca and a 3rd Moderna which put me in a deep brain fog for 2 weeks to the extent that I was staring at my computer screen like I had suffered a stroke. They will need attack helicopters to get me to have the 4th jab.

    The vaccine does not work, simple.

    To restrict people’s freedom of movement because of a vaccine that is unequivocally scientifically proven to not work is so surreal I wonder if I am still in my Moderna brain fog.

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    Simon Thompson.

    LVA has not got a lot of nous.

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    ImranCan

    What is the rational for this ? I do not believe there is one, other than trying to force everybody to be compliant. To take a jab you don’t need against a disease you don’t know
    you have unless you get a test.

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    KP

    Well, why are you people still discussing Covid?? We are getting close to the mythical herd immunity when enough people realise it was never a problem and start asking awkward questions of their betters.

    Instead, you are meant to be screaming “Putin is a Nazi” and “Destroy Russia”, along with the other Western poodles, and ignoring Covid completely.

    This is important so you forget about the loss of freedom involved, and instead worry about the cost of petrol and groceries, which is all due to Putin again!

    The Covid scam is over, we have all moved on, there is a new distraction. Get with the narrative!

    I was hoping that when Russia destroys Europe we would see a more liberal ‘devil-may-care’ Russian attitude towards Covid, but JC has ruined my day-

    “starting Monday in Moscow, you must be vaccinated and obtain a QR code to enter all restaurants, cafes and bars.”

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