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Climate Change causes Frosts now: French Winegrowers lighting fires, candles to protect crops

As the grapevines bud for the season in France, a mild spring followed by a savage frost is bad news for farmers.

There have been three bad frosts in recent years. The young fashionable expert tells us that frost means it’s climate change. But people didn’t realize...” it’s a form of denial” she says with a straight face.

Thank goodness for fossil fuels:

Because global warming means you need more insurance against frost and “heating cables” to keep the plants warm:

The change in weather pattern is also pushing up his insurance coverage for loss of harvest, he added. In Yonne, two-thirds of the harvest was destroyed as a result of the frost last year, according to the farm ministry.

Winemakers were starting to join forces to invest in new tools, such as heating cables, to help mitigate the effects of such frosts, she said. However, many in the industry are still reluctant to face up to the fact that the impact of climate change could be long-lasting, Civet said.

Mass Psychosis?

Coldest night on a national scale since records began in France in 1947

Météo-France, the country’s meteorological service, said the night of April 3 was the coldest night on a national scale since the creation of the national thermal indicator in 1947, with an average temperature of 29.3 degrees Fahrenheit (1.5 degrees below zero Celsius). This indicator averages the temperature of weather observation sites across France.

The late winter snap also hit Germany with a new record low temperature of  minus 12.7 (9.1F) set at Bad Berleburg-Hemschlar.

hat tip to Dennis A

PS: Helicopters use less fuel apparently:

 

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269 comments to Climate Change causes Frosts now: French Winegrowers lighting fires, candles to protect crops

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    didn’t they have the same problems last year too ?

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      It’s not been that cold this spring, but here in the UK we had a lot of frosts last spring, which meant our fruit growers had to light fires to keep the frosts away. Many of the plants we normally grow at home wouldn’t germinate and others were stunted, the net result being we got no tomatoes at all. .

      The book ‘ times of feast times of famine’ by ladurie, details glacier changes in Europe over the last two thousand years and French grape crops for the last 500. They have suffered great frosts, great heats, great droughts and great rains so it sounds as if the climate is behaving perfectly normally

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        Strop

        Wasn’t a good summer for tomatoes here in southern Victoria (Aus). Or so I’m told by a couple of others who did their usual crop. Fortunately I didn’t try growing any this year. Planted chilli and basil etc and they struggled.

        As for frost and fruit farmers. A citrus farmer trick is to give the sprinklers a burst on at night when frost is likely. The water freezes onto the fruit and protects it from the frost.

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        PeterPetrum

        Up here in the Blue Mountains we have had the wettest, coldest, sunless summer and autumn that I can remember since we landed in Australia in 1966. I have a large vegetable garden but, with the exception of potatoes (great crop this year!), it has been a disaster. Zucchini’s rotted on the plant, tomatoes produced fruit but would not ripen, cucumbers refused to set and several of our ornamentals (daphne and rosemary) have died through water logging around their roots. We have had 1200mm of rain since the beginning of December 2021. Looks like a prolonged La Niña and the Pacific and Atlantic cycles overlapping in their cold phases really has stuffed things up weather wise.

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          Old Goat

          Peter,
          Might have something to do with the recent volcanic eruption . Jo pointed to some possibilities there. It’s been cool and wet down the east coast all summer. In Victoria we haven’t had serious fires or restrictions at all…..

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            PeterPetrum

            Yes, of course. I failed to mention that as a contributing factor. Thanks.

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              Ted1

              Ripening tomatoes.

              I never got the rest of the farm under control to be gardening, but, many years ago my wife had a tomato plant near the kitchen door. In June a frost knocked it, with some big green tomatoes on it still. I picked them and put them on top of a cupboard in the kitchen. In August they ripened and were beautiful.

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          b.nice

          We got a tab wet down here too.

          Even had to call off a cricket match !

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        Gerry, England

        This time last year in my corner of south-east England we had 3 weeks of frosts and 2 weeks in which snow fell. My apple crop was wiped out as they were all in blossom when it started. This year, the apple trees are only just stirring. Blackthorn and plums are in blossom but I think they are hardier. The sudden cold of last Thursday ruined my magnolias as now the flowers are all dead and brown but still on the trees.

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      Graham Richards

      No Krish, last year the frost & freezing weather was caused by global warming.
      Further studies will reveal this year’s problems have been the result of Covid & those naughty Russians in concert with Climate Change. You really must brush up on your
      Wokeness!!

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      GlenM

      One suspects they had problems in Champagne during the period between the 16th and 19th centuries. Maybe it didn’t happen. Time for the Fact Checkers!

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      Ted1

      For the last three springs we had frosts which damaged the fruit yield at our house..

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    Honk R Smith

    Gaslighting.
    It’s built into the system at this point.
    Historians replaced by Fact Checkers.
    Our WEF friends leading the way.

    In the future you will have no memory and you will be happy.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/09/arctic-warming-trigger-extreme-cold-waves-texas-freeze-study/

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      Graham Richards

      While lighting their candles French wine farmers can be heard singing “ You light up my life…..

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      GlenM

      Gee, the link you posted seemed really “sciency”. Did perturbations in the Jet stream cause global cooling 30 years ago? …so many questions. Trouble is that questions are too problematic for the modern breed of scientists.

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    Climate Change apparently causes Global Warming and the sea levels to rise. Climate Change also causes cooling. Excuse me but you cannot have it both ways. BTW, neither any warming or any cooling is caused by CO2. IMHO, we are actually moving towards another “Little Ice Age” at best and hopefully not a full blown Ice Age.

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      Doctor T

      And climate change would lead to the dams never filling by whatever rain did fall, and then climate change causes unprecedented rain events, even though those rain events are not actually unprecedented. And the rising sea levels are somehow leading to increased Pacific Island land mass. So we then change climate change to a climate emergency and now a climate catastrophe because people aren’t sufficiently terrified.

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      el+gordo

      ‘ … we are actually moving towards another “Little Ice Age”

      In order for that to happen we would need volcanic eruptions and a cool sun. World temperature should remain flat over the next five years because, as Stephen mentions, ‘thermal inertia’ is a major player.

      Here we have the latest on the solar cycle and while you’re there its worthwhile going back in time in search of correlation.

      https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/solar-cycle-progression

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      RickWill

      hopefully not a full blown Ice Age.

      We are already 500 years into the current cycle of glaciation. Not much snow accumulation this millennium though.

      Northern winters have sunlight trending down for the last 500 years but very little change yet. Eventually that trend will be more than just the occasional frost.

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        el+gordo

        ‘We are already 500 years into the current cycle of glaciation.’

        Was there a phase change during the Renaissance?

        To put your hypothesis to work I need to see it in a cyclic perspective.

        ‘The temporal and spatial extent of Holocene climate change is an area of considerable uncertainty, with radiative forcing recently proposed to be the origin of cycles identified in the North Atlantic region. Climate cyclicity through the Holocene (Bond events) has been observed in or near marine settings and is strongly controlled by glacial input to the North Atlantic. Periodicities of ≈2500, ≈1500, and ≈1000 years are generally observed in the North Atlantic.

        ‘At the same time spectral analyses of the continental record, which is remote from oceanic influence, reveal persistent periodicities of 1,000 and 500 years that may correspond to solar activity variations during the Holocene Epoch. A 1,500-year cycle corresponding to the North Atlantic oceanic circulation may have had widespread global distribution in the Late Holocene.’ (wiki)

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          b.nice

          I hope we are not dropping back down to the cold of the LIA and the period between the RWP and the MWP..

          An ever decreasing bounce at the end of the current inter-glacial.

          We probably wont live long enough to see the end of the Holocene, but the next few generations would be totally unprepared in every respect, having been brainwashed by the anti-CO2, anti-fossil fuel, warming scare, and having destroyed the reliability of the electricity systems with the massive injection of erratic instability into the grid.

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            Kalm Keith

            🙂

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            el+gordo

            ‘An ever decreasing bounce at the end of the current inter-glacial.’

            Just before the Eemian came to a close there was a warm spike in temperatures, a bit like now, but there is no need for alarm. We know that desertification in Europe was followed by the big freeze.

            When humans turned up in Australia all the watering holes were full and the rivers ran smoothly, evaporation was low and life flourished in what is now unremitting desert. Lake Eyre was the largest fresh water lake in the world.

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              Kalm Keith

              ” Lake Eyre was the largest fresh water lake in the world”.

              How’s Lake Eyre at the moment?

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                el+gordo

                Desert most of the time, because of global warming.

                Back in the Dreamtime the waterholes were full during the earlier glacial period, with s lower evaporation rate, but as we approached the LGM it was cold and dry.

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                Large by surface area or volume? That salt must struggle not to dissolve into the water.

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                el+gordo

                Mega-Lake Eyre must have been fresh water, the same as Lake Mungo. Both are at the end of the line, so this may have had an input.

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                el+gordo

                ‘Aboriginal hunters and gatherers, accustomed to walking from water hole to water hole, settled on the shores of the lakes and established semi-permanent campsites where they could rely on the freshwater lakes for fish and crustaceans. The local fauna, drinking at the water’s edge, supplemented their food supply.’

                Low evaporation rate helped to desalinate?

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      DennisA

      “you cannot have it both ways.” You can if you are into climate psychology:

      “The Social Simulation of the Public Perception of Weather Events and their Effect upon the Development of Belief in Anthropogenic Climate Change” Dennis Bray and Simon Shackley, September 2004. Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research.

      “In this paper, we explore under what conditions belief in global warming or climate change, as identified and defined by experience, science and the media, can be maintained in the public’s perception.

      To endorse policy change people must ‘believe’ that global warming will become a reality some time in the future.

      Only the experience of positive temperature anomalies will be registered as indication of change if the issue is framed as global warming.

      Both positive and negative temperature anomalies will be registered in experience as indication of change if the issue is framed as climate change.

      We propose that in those countries where climate change has become the predominant popular term for the phenomenon, unseasonably cold temperatures, for example, are also interpreted to reflect climate change/global warming.”

      Seems to work…

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    As I’ve stated many times in the past, cooling periods related to lower solar activity,lead to more variability in jet stream tracks.
    On this occasion, much of the northern hemisphere winter in western Europe has been zonal with the jet stream constantly running off the warm Atlantic.
    Now, with the advent of Spring it has become more meridional with winds more from the cold north. The USA and parts of Eastern Europe and Asia have been colder than average throughout the northern winter.
    Meanwhile it appears that the globe has been cooling slightly since 2016 despite record high levels of human CO2 emissions.
    Many years ago I suggested that it would need more than one 11 year solar cycle to register climate changes due to the thermal inertia provided by the oceans.
    We are now well into solar cycle 25 which is the second reduced solar cycle since the active cycles 22 and 23 which produced the modest warming of the late 20th century.
    Unless there is an uptick in global temperatures in the very near future it will be apparent that all the changes observed over recent decades are entirely natural.
    Note that the only temperature record that successfully avoids contamination from the urban heat island effect is the satellite UAH record supervised by Roy Spencer. Weather ballons are similarly useful and confirm the UAH findings.
    The level of solar activity alters the wavelengths emitted by the sun and affects temperatures in the stratosphere by changing the balance of ozone creation/destruction in the stratosphere and it is stratospheric ozone that determines the gradient of troppopause height between equator and poles.
    Changes in that gradient affect jet stream meridionality which in turn alters global cloudiness and the amount of solar energy able to enter our oceans.
    That is what has been causing the observed small variations in global temperatures. Nothing to do with our CO2 emissions at all.

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      b.nice

      “Weather balloons are similarly useful and confirm the UAH findings.”

      The only pristine surface temperature series in the world, USCRN, also confirms UAH

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      Stephen

      The last two years have seen some of the largest’ozone holes’ in the (short) record in contrast to 3 years ago when it had shrunk noticeably and nasa got very excited. They have been very quiet about the hole growing again though. To what would you attribute their growth?

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        I’m pretty sure that the size of the ozone hole responds to changes in solar activity and not our CFCs
        By my hypothesis set out elsewhere an active sun reduces ozone over the poles whereas an inactive sun does the opposite.
        The ozone hole panic occurred at a time of very active sun with reduced ozone over the poles. Subsequently the sun became less active and the holes shrank.
        We recently passed a short period of increased solar activity at solar maximum and the holes have increased in size a bit but nothing like the period of the panic.
        As we move towards the next solar minimum I would expect them to shrink again.
        The observed changes are not synchronised with the changes in our CFC emissions.

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      Volcanoes erupting all over the place help the planet to cool as well. Sunlight has trouble getting through the volcanic emissions hanging around in the atmosphere…………….

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    Mikky

    The French tweet says it was the coldest night … in April, it was certainly quite cold and frosty at the weekend in Southern England, with a cold Northerly wind during the day, probably light wind at night, but not particularly exceptional.

    Record cold is not much in fashion, unlike record heat or rainfall.

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      James Murphy

      it snowed in and around Paris last Friday, and it had been pretty cold all week, with the previous 5-10 days hovering around the mid-teens with a lot of sunshine, it did feel more like summer was almost here (well, summer in Paris, anyway…), rather than late March/early April. The rest of France, I’m not really sure, as I didnt look.

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    Ronin

    Gee, that’ll push up the price of the elites’ champers.

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      GlenM

      I recommend Pierre Larousse Blanc de Blancs from Wissembourg in Alsace. Technically not Champagne, it’s a good drop for 8 bucks.

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        James Murphy

        “sparkling wines”, or as the French say “Vin mousseux de qualité” like Crémant d’Alsace are much under-rated, this is true. it’s often cheaper than champagne for the same quality, though, as with all wine, quality and value are in the eye of the beholder.

        having said that, inflation is here, as, until the last 6-9 months, you could pick up a half decent red or white at the supermarket for about 3-4 euros (or even less, occasionally), now it’s often more like 5-6.

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    b.nice

    Its amazing how “global warming” is starting to cause so many “cold snaps”. 😉

    How long do you think until people start to figure out that frosts are not warm?.

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      Lawrie

      In the seventies we had severe frosts in the Hunter valley, a fledgling wine growing area at the time, and vineyards were installing large fans to keep the air circulating. So long as the air is moving the frost won’t settle. When “global warming” came along the fans were not needed as often but I know of an olive farm where they are still used. They were electric of course so renewables are of no help being early in the morning before and at sunrise, solar useless, and when there is absolutely no wind being under a high pressure system. Thank goodness for Bayswater and Liddell.

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        Ronin

        I visited a winery and vineyard in Napa in 2000, they had petrol engine driven propellers mounted on tall poles, they would rotate slowly as well, they had been installed to counter frosts.

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          Graeme No.3

          The same at Balgownie Estate near Bendigo. They also had solar panels but unlikely to use to drive fans.

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            David Maddison

            It’s not only grape crops which are protected from frost by air-circulating propellers, but other crops as well.

            You can see a lot as you drive past Baccus Marsh farms on the M8 Western Freeway heading north away from Melbournistan.

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        b.nice

        The world would be a much darker and dreary place without Hunter reds 🙂

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    David Maddison

    If it gets hot it’s “climate change”.

    If it gets cold it’s “climate change”.

    That’s why the marketing people changed it from “global warming” to “climate change”.

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      Ronin

      Plus if we are in drought, it’s global warming, if we are getting flooded , it’s global warming.

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    David Maddison

    Is anyone yet prepared to admit that the world might actually be cooling, not warming?

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      I am not sure it’s it’s a warm cold or a cold warmth

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      Peter Fitzroy

      UAH, chosen because a lot of the bots on this site quote it, is in the warming camp

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        b.nice

        Chosen because its the only one that represents a true representation of global temperatures.

        Ignore the real data, as you must always do !

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        UAH is reasonably accurate because it bypasses the urban heat island effect.
        You will see from the charts in your link that UAH registers the reduction in temperature since 2016 whilst our emissions have continued to increase. The UAH record is consistent with natural variability being dominant.

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          b.nice

          Trouble with surface data is that is most from sparsely situated urban sites, then they adjust it to show even further warming.
          Many parts of Africa, South America, Asia, and even large parts of the NH have very few representative sites.
          Much of the ocean area is never measured at all, especially in the past.

          All the fiddling removes any signal that could point to what is actually happening with temperatures.
          It has become essentially a model based straight line, on purpose! (an attempt to match CO2 trend).

          UAH covers a very large proportion of the globe, only misses above 85ºN (about 0.2% of globe), and below 80ºS (about 0.8%), with regularly spaced highly repetitive readings.

          There is no doubt it has to be the closest representation of real temperature trends.

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            William

            Many parts of Africa, South America … have very few representative sites – which is why tampering with our records (ACORN Sats 1/2) and not complying with global best standard with temperature measurements allowing microbursts of heat to be recorded, and limiting the degree of cold that can be recorded, skews the global databases as Australia represents a very large and disproportional contribution to the global temperature records.

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          GlenM

          Does a half of a degree Celsius really matter? Can one feel the difference since 1979. Last week I suffered a range between 33 and 11 and I survived. All these modern constructs.

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        How many ‘bot’s do you see in your fever dreams Peter Fitzroy ? 5 at a time ?

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      Bruce

      Well, technically, the planet has been cooling since it started coalescing out of a big cloud of cosmic dust.

      There are TWO things that have slowed the “natural” rate of cooling. One is the big thermo-nuclear bomb in the sky.

      The other is the activity below our feet. Radio-activity. There is a LOT of stuff cooking in the mantle. Add in the effect of lunar gravity on the “wave motion” of a LOT more than the atmosphere and oceans and it gets to be an interesting ride.

      Just another “complex system” in our daily lives.

      As for the e”Ozone hole”:Firstly, there was NEVER a “hole”; there was, allegedly, a “thinning” (lensing’ detected

      In the unlikely event CFCs were responsible, why was the northern zone essentially untouched?

      Why was all the attention on the Southern hemisphere with a minuscule fraction of total global use of CFCs?

      IF the “science involved the action of Chlorine on the Ozone, did any of the “political scientists” consider the out-gassing from the sundry active volcanoes on the Antarctic continent?

      What theoretical mechanism could lift these high-molecular-weight substances into the stratosphere??

      Anyone care to guess how Ozone forms??

      What was the Sun doing throughout all of this?

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        David Maddison

        And Australia has suffered substantial extra costs and regulatory burdens because of the extreme ban on CFCs, e.g. you can’t even buy gas to top up your car or home air conditioner unless you are a licensed individual, unlike the case in the US, for example.

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          Pete of Charnlop

          I know this wouldn’t appeal to some, but given several of my cars have been LPG fuelled anyway, I have gassed many aircon systems with HC12. 50% iso-butane, 50% propane. In tech parlance, R600a and R290. Dupont etc hate it because there is no patent. It works so well in my older R12 systems it’s a no-brainer. Colder and with less drag on the motor, zero retrofit required, and no license.

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    Erasmus

    We need a change to the political climate before the idiots ruin everything.

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      GlenM

      Too right!

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      PeterS

      Well, given energy security is tightly connected to national security, any sensible person would have to admit that going down the road to less reliance on fossil fuels is tantamount to treason.

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    David Maddison

    Warmists claim the upsurge of vineyards in Once Great Britain is due to “climate change” even though vineyards were recorded by the Romans and in The Domesday Book but now supposed warming due to “climate change” is also causing frosts in France.

    Isn’t the scam wonderful?

    It’s win-win for the climate change scammers no matter what happens.

    Now all that has to be done is to “follow The money trail”. Which scammers are profiting from French wine frosts?

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      Lawrie

      David. It has been my observation for some time now that the recent scampering by the climate mob to sign countries to net zero was all about closing the net before word got out that a global cooling was on it’s way. Once that cat is out of the bag and once large sections of the population start feeling the effects of prolonged cold with the added bonus of expensive heating very many politicians will be scampering to prevent their own annihilation. Personally I think it will take such an awakening to stop the rot once and for all. It might encourage the extremely quiet scientists to start speaking out and for the MSM to allow them to do so. It will be more effective if it means the exposure is causing some unpopular politician to lose face. Observe the Hunter Biden story.

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      b.nice

      I have great little graph of Portuguese wine harvest dates and temperatures. 🙂 but no idea how to post it. 🙁

      It clearly shows temperatures in Portugal around 1945 and 1860 being warmer than now .

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        If there is no link, can you email me? I’ll send you a message.

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          b.nice

          I actually saved the image from another site. I also have a whole massive folder of Holocene and other climate images that someone sent me.

          It looks like I have to find an image hosting site or something, because your “image” link above the box shows a https url address required.

          Will send it via email though, and look into the image hosting.. any suggestions ?

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          This might be the one Jo : ” Grape harvest dates as indicator of spring -summer mean maxima temperature variations in the Minho region [ NW of Portugal ] since the 19th century ”

          I cant open it . My search results appear to be ‘filtered ‘ and obstructed . For some peculiar reason I have not been able to access this [ among other annoying problems such as remote deflection ]February 2019 Watts Up With That article with a google search : ” Tips For Spreading Climate Denial Down Under” Unless I go the round about way and click the link on a page where it is displayed .

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    Peter Fitzroy

    How does a weather event in a small region negate climate?

    Strange how other weather events like fires in Argentina are suppressed as they could not be signs of climate change

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      Ronin

      Have you missed the freezing weather in the US and Europe recently.

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        Honk R Smith

        Water has the right to identify as ice, and freeze if it chooses.
        Carbon Supremacy is a threat to Glacial Justice.
        Water vapor is innocent.

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          Peter, Get with the game: this post is about a cult like philosophy. One so irrational that nothing can ever falsify the “science”..

          “Children won’t know what snow is! “

          You are years behind Peter. The failed decadal warming trends which we have written about a hundred times show the models are wrong. Their predictions failed. We proved it years ago. The first pause without a cause showed the models were useless. The warming trend was lower than even the lowest estimates of 1990 FAR. The models have been wrong about water in all its forms. You’ve provided no evidence the models can predict rainfall, humidity in the upper troposphere, trends in Antarctica, etc etc. Your “team” are the ones pathetically claiming that “Frosts mean climate change” — not us.

          We don’t need to resort to the unscientific petulant idiocy of pretending that one “Something” weekend means a theory is wrong. But your team do, all the time.

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            Honk R Smith

            The disappointment to me is that the scientific enlightenment age appears to be on ‘hiatus’.
            (Little climate nerd joke.) 🙂
            Science has been hijacked by some crazed pagan priestly class.
            Climate models and apocalyptic predictions for 50/100 years out, are just modern divinations.
            Computers are improved henges, and like those prehistoric constructions, limited in predicting the whimsy of the capricious nature gods.
            We haven’t gone back to ritual human sacrifice yet, but I’m getting nervous.
            (I could see Greta with a knife.)

            No amount of simple direct observation can dissuade the cult.
            My fav failure … sea level.

            https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328500690_A_global_assessment_of_atoll_island_planform_changes_over_the_past_decades

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            Jo, why did you neglect to mention the early budding that made these plants susceptible?

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              Gee Aye have you explained why ‘ rainfall and floods are one and the same thing yet ?…..Is that the distractive ruse now – the ‘early budding ” susceptibility and not the fact that in France ” April 3 was the coldest night on a national scale since the creation of the national thermal indicator in 1947 ” You and Peter Fitzroy really are a testament to the education system churn

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              Funnily enough you have not fessed up to that howler of yours. Precocious grapevine budding is nothing new or unusual and grape production is up globally by 33% since 1988 .
              .Peter Fitzroy is busily distracting the debate with fires in Argentina and ‘bot’ imaginings yet you are not admonishing him

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      b.nice

      Fires are not a sign of climate change.. they are, as you say, caused by weather and ignition events.

      And what the heck is this term “negate climate”.. A load of total hogwash and BS conveyed in two little words?

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      Lawrie

      Its the trend Peter. The trend is toward more cooling. These might be isolated incidents but if they happen more often then it is the trend. Just as your global warming scammers used a few hot days to proclaim global warming many cold days show a different trend. The one constant is that CO2 seems to be increasing yet the world is cooling. Goodness how can that be? Could it be that CO2 has no effect on climate? Could it be that we have been forced to pay mega dollars for a scam? Yes it could.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        then prove it, UAH as the favourite site for the Bots posting here, says it is warming

        Again none of you understand the difference between climate and weather.

        And the models your bots use are worse than those of the IPCC

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          b.nice

          No Peter, you are wrong as usual. UAH shows it has been cooling since the last El Nino, and that it was zero trend for 15 years after the last El Nino.

          It also shows very clearly that the only slight warming in that whole record, has come at those two major El Nino events.

          Absolutely zero evidence of any human influence whatsoever, just the Sun and the cloud cover.

          We are now in La Nina territory, and it is cooling

          You again show your abject cluelessness about climate, weather.. basically everything.

          You have nothing to offer to rational scientific discussion.

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      Old Cocky

      Flat battery in the irony meter?

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      TimiBoy

      The quoted article says the frost is due to climate change and that it’s going to happen more!

      You didn’t even read the G**damned thing.

      Any way settled science says it’s called Global Warming. Isn’t France warming twice as fast as anywhere else? Or something…

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        Peter Fitzroy

        it depends on your understanding of a chaotic distribution of energy in the atmosphere. I understand that as a bot, your weather model will be linear (as is your climate model), as bout like you and b.nice do not have the sophistication to use anything else

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          b.nice

          Poor Peter, again yabbering about stuff he is clueless about. Desperate, much.

          He has zero comprehension of energy transfer, weather, climate, or anything he comments on, and is totally incapable of presenting one scrap of real science to back up his pitiful, anti-science brain-washed mantra.

          It is the “climate models” he worships that are linear, and, like Peter, have nothing to offer that is remotely related to reality.

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          TimiBoy

          I’m a bot is the best you can do? Seems appropriate that I’m taking a sh!t while I laugh at you.

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          Peter sees bots ….bots and bots and bots …..

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      Tel

      How does a weather event in a small region negate climate?

      Exactly the same way a flood in Lismore affirms climate change.

      Ahhh, but when it’s cooling it becomes “weather” and on a hot day it becomes “climate”.

      When they predict drought, but get a flood instead, that’s also “climate” because yikes a flood!

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        b.nice

        The somewhat erratic weather on NSW’s and Qld coast is mostly due to naturally occurring and continuing La Nina.
        It is highly likely that the underwater volcanic eruption of Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai had an influence the amount of precipitation available, upping the rainfall somewhat.

        What can be absolutely certain is that humans had no part in causing those events whatsoever.

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      Strop

      Peter, you have to ask the equivalent question to the “expert” in the video claiming the farmers are now living out the consequences of climate change.
      How does a cold weather event prove climate change as a result of a warming warming world?

      What’s your take on the farming advisor’s comments?

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Why – there is ample evidence that this is what was to be expected, even the early models were predicting these sorts of events

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          Tel

          Prove it.

          Link to an IPCC report that predicted frosts across France causing losses to farmers. Cite the actual prediction.

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            b.nice

            but… IPCC.. ! 😉

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            Peter Fitzroy

            since you and your fellow bots lack the wit to use the internet here is the link requested

            https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/chapter/chapter-3/

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              b.nice

              A nebulous load of grey and activist non-science based on nothing but speculation and nonsense models.

              Now, where is the actual real science.. real data etc..

              Page and line. Let us see you have read and understood more than just the title.

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                Simon

                Do catch up. The infra-red absorption properties of non-symmetric molecules in the atmosphere has been well understood for over 120 years. To deny otherwise is kooky nonsense.

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                b.nice

                Do learn basic radiative energy transfer laws, you might gain just a smidgen of understanding… or not.

                I don’t deny the radiative properties of CO2. Glad you have at least heard of them.

                (the proper term for CO2 is a “radiatively active gas”, not a “greenhouse gas”, which is a meaningless term)

                It is your ignorance of what happens after atmospheric absorption of a tiny thin sliver of weak energy, which is the problem.

                For some bizarre reason, you seem to think that basic energy transfer laws cease to apply.

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                b.nice

                Svante Arrhenius won a Nobel Prize in chemistry for his excellent work in electrolytes, but his 1896 paper about the CO2 impact on climate and the atmospheric “greenhouse effect” (http://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1896_tcm18-173546.pdf) was a colossal failure!

                In this publication, Arrhenius shows remarkable inability to distinguish between a-priori assumptions and empirical evidence.

                He proposed a mathematical model to “predict” the effect of atmospheric CO2 on the global surface temperature (his Eqs. 3 & 4) that violates a basic principle of dimensional analysis, i.e. measurement units on the left-hand side of his equation do NOT match the units on the right-hand side! Specifically, his Eq. 4 claims T^4 = dimensionless number which, of course, is total physical nonsense.

                Yet, his 1896 paper (which could not have passed scientific peer review today!) is being quoted by followers of the AGW concept as a great achievement of the 19th-Century climate science.

                It’s really pathetic … Everyone, who cares about the truth regarding climate change, should read Arrhenius (link above) in order to understand the un-physical roots and absurdity of the climate “greenhouse theory”…

                Basic radiative theory is also ignored as it is today in the climate change farce.

                Net radiative transfer is determined by temperature differences/gradient. CO2 does not affect the gravity based temperature gradient.

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                Peter — Nice try but no banana. A “prediction” from 2018 about a pattern of frosts that started in 2016 doesn’t count.

                The hardest predictions are the ones from before the event…

                Burgundy hit by ‘worst frost since 1981’
                A severe frost swept across Burgundy vineyards on the night of 26 April, causing a ‘great deal of stress’ for winemakers, according to the Burgundy wine bureau (BIVB).

                A spring freeze affected much of Europe this week, with April snow briefly seen in Champagne. There are concerns in several wine regions about potential damage to first buds, and early reports suggest the Loire was also hit badly.

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                Kalm Keith

                Arrhenius did later concede that he was wrong there.

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                b.nice

                “Arrhenius did later concede that he was wrong there.”

                But the AGW clowns still use that piece of failed science as their crutch.

                Maybe because its all they have !

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                GlenM

                It’s pointless to tell these types anything about the whole dynamic of the atmosphere and the miniscule impact of manmade CO2.

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              b.nice

              Even the executive summary is load of fabricated nonsense.

              So many unproven and nonsense claims as to be totally worthless.

              “Human induced warming”… no scientific evidence of that”

              What changes in the climate.

              Everything is well within natural and historic bounds, if anything temperature is well on the cool side of the last 10,000 years.

              There are no trends etc in climate or weather data for any major climate indicator except a highly beneficial slight warming from the LIA

              The whole Exec summary is basically a nothing burger of suppositional imaginings and unvalidated model fantasies.

              It contains absolutely nothing of any scientific relevance.

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                Peter Fitzroy

                of that that is what a bot would say – you did not read it, just a random selection of lies, must make your programmer very proud (EXon im guessing)

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                b.nice

                So, absolutely no arguments against my facts..

                You are embarrassing yourself. !

                Which part of what I said was a lie… provide actual real evidence this time.

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                Peter Fitzroy

                what facts?????????????

                shouty assertions, Bot speak for facts?

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                b.nice

                So you can’t argue against what I said… .. ok

                Can you point to one thing in your link that is based on anything except modeled suppositions and assumptions ?

                Or haven’t you bothered to read any of it yet ?

                We can wait until you do.

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                b.nice

                “It contains absolutely nothing of any scientific relevance.”

                I am waiting for you to point out a scientifically relevant part of the link. (not model or simulation non-data)

                Of course, you can continue to run away and hide behind petty insults.. that’s up to you.

                (and yes, we all know there has been a small amount of highly beneficial warming since the LIA, so don’t bother with that one.)

                Everything else is not-even-science.

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              b.nice

              You do realise that the planet has been much warmer than +1.5ºC for nearly all of the last 10,000 years, don’t you.

              These guys seem totally ignorant of that fact. !

              In those warmer times civilisations grew and flourished…. (until leftist ideologies took over, that is)

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              Tel

              since you and your fellow bots lack the wit to use the internet here is the link requested

              I knew perfectly well you would attempt to wriggle out by splurging 100 pages of junk, which is why I clearly asked you to cite the actual prediction. Give the exact Figure number and/or paragraph number.

              See how predictable you are? We all know you are making this stuff up as you go along, and that’s why you shuffle feet and try to hide every time (and I mean every time) you get called out.

              Now cite the actual prediction as asked.

              Where do they predict increase in the number of frost days?

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              Kalm Keith

              Evidence.

              It is incontrovertible that the oceans have Fallen somewhere between 6 and 4.2 Metres in the last seven thousand years.

              That means that a lot of Ice has accumulated somewhere.

              If ice can accumulate it means that it’s getting colder on this planet.

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              Tel

              Peter are you making any progress siting the actual paragraph where a prediction is made for more frost? Each one is helpfully numbered for you, so just quote it right here.

              Ha ha, you got nothing, am I right? There’s no such prediction in there … thought you would bluff your way through. Didn’t work.

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          b.nice

          Early models predicted such a large range of events they cover basically every end of the world scenario they could imagine.

          Even freezing cold is covered under their fairy tales.

          They only fool the very gullible and weak-minded, though.

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            TimiBoy

            Did they not do multiple runs, discard the truly ridiculous ones, and average the rest? How that can be considered “data” is incomprehensible.

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          Strop

          What ample evidence? A whole bunch of models have predicted every possible scenario so of course they’re going to be correct at some point. But they’re just models. They’re not evidence.

          Explain to me why climate change resulting from global warming will exacerbate frosts?
          Should be easy given the ample evidence.

          As for predicting these sorts of events. These sorts of events have occurred for a long time.

          The models predicted more droughts too. Yet Andy Pitman (head of ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate Extremes) said

          This may not be what you expect to hear, but as far as the climate scientists know there is no (direct) link between climate change and drought.

          That may not be what you read in the newspapers and sometimes hear commented, but there is no reason a priori why climate change should made the landscape more arid

          Why would he say that if there is ample evidence supporting the modelled predictions?

          The models predicted more cyclones. Not happening.

          Models are not evidence.

          But, how does warming create more frosts?

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          You are making it up Peter Fitzroy

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      el+gordo

      ‘How does a weather event in a small region negate climate?’

      Good point, its tied up with agriculture and shortness of seasons. So focus on the agricultural records of that small region and you’ll find the answer.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        how do I account for changes in farming practices, new grating on to old rootstock, fertiliser, etc

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          el+gordo

          During the LIA (from about 1550 to 1700) vineyards in France moved further south. We aren’t there yet.

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      NuThink

      Strange how other weather events like fires in Argentina

      @PeterFitzroy
      How is a fire a weather event?

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        Peter Fitzroy

        can you have a bush fire during a flood?, or do you need hot dry conditions?

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          b.nice

          Fire requires a certain type of weather, but only a total loony would refer to it as a “weather” event.

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          Strop

          The Sahara has hot dry conditions. Not many bushfires despite the exact weather you describe.

          Agriculture is affected by weather but agriculture is not a weather event.
          Similarly weather can affect the severity of a bushfire but a bushfire can occur in many weather conditions and has many factors.

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            Peter Fitzroy

            you familiar with the rainfall changes in WA after clearing for wheat farming. you familiar with rainfall changes in europe after the forests were cleared. Try arguing with facts

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              b.nice

              Local changes.. not global. Weather patterns, not climate.. do you even know the difference ?

              WA has recently had one of its wettest years for a long time.

              Try arguing with facts.

              If you are concerned about European forests being cleared, why aren’t you rebelling against their wind turbine installations ?

              Wind turbines have far more and far further ranging effect on weather patterns than crops and forests.

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              Strop

              Peter, saying fire is a weather event is like saying everything that is affected by weather in some way is a weather event.

              According to your criteria Sailing is a weather event, not a sporting event, because if the wind doesn’t blow the boat doesn’t move.

              Tennis at the French Open is also a weather event because play stops when it rains, but the Aus Open is a sporting event because they have a roof and air conditioning on the main courts making it independent to weather.

              A tree growing is a weather event because if it doesn’t rain it dies and if it rains too much it dies. If we get a nice amount of sun and rain it grows.

              Yes, fire is more severe under certain weather conditions but fire exists in a range of weather conditions and has more factors than just weather.

              Anyway, whether just about everything is a weather event, or whether fire is, doesn’t change the fact that you’re talking out your butt when you say warming causes more cold.
              If this planet gets any warmer it will freeze.

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              el+gordo

              ‘Try arguing with facts.’

              The droughty conditions in SWWA over recent times has been caused by blocking high pressure, being too far south, and the winter rains failed. Its a fact that 1924 was drier than 2019-20.

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              So its not climate change drying out the coastal hinterland of South-West WA ?

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      b.nice

      Perhaps Peter has the impression that fires had never occurred in Argentina before. 😉

      Imported trees don’t help though.

      Heading into the third La Nina in a row doesn’t help with their rainfall over there either… Its all in Australia, instead.

      But as anyone with any basic understanding knows… La Nina have nothing to do with human CO2, and are totally natural events, like El Nino.

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      b.nice

      Until recently, Argentina was using active fire suppression.. ie burning off on a regular basis.

      Have the greenies brought that to a slow-walk like they have in Australia, or have they eradicated active suppression completely like in California?

      That would explain the severity of the fires.

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      Fires in Argentina are not ‘signs of climate change ” ….Nor the incidence of fires in Brazil , Australia , Indonesia Siberia and the Russian far east ..Unless you believe the declining trends in the satellite data presented in this BBC special report are somehow evidence of ‘climate change : ” Forest Fires : Are They Worse Than in Previous Years “? https://bbc.com/news/world-49515462

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Great link, no info for Argentina though – so why post it?

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          b.nice

          Yes, we know you know nothing about Argentina.. why bring that to everyone’s attention?

          Data shows declining world wide fires.. one season of fires in Argentina, is no evidence of anything but normal variability.

          Yes its dry there this year.. Australia is very wet..

          Maybe if you think for one second (if you are capable) you can figure out that a naturally occurring La Nina might just have something to do with it.

          Or is your comprehension of climate and weather forming factors really that abysmal !

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            Peter Fitzroy

            Exactly what a bot would say.

            /early version, prob uses window 95

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              b.nice

              You poor dear… you really are aiming for your total irrelevance, aren’t you.. !

              And again, you provide absolutely zero pertinent argument, being devoid of all science and rational thought.

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              b.nice

              “Or is your comprehension of climate and weather forming factors really that abysmal !”

              You have just confirmed my question with a resounding, “YES”… Thanks 🙂

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          b.nice

          You do realise you have just admitted it is local to Argentina, don’t you.. 😉

          Not global.. just weather.. Look to La Nina. !

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          ” No info for Argentina so why post it ” ? Brazil is adjacent to Argentina and Brazilian fires are decreasing despite the “climate fires ” hysteria ..I thought you resented ‘cherry picking ” and no consideration should be given to localized weather events Peter Fitzroy ? ….You lose every argument ..wiped away on every thread ..And yet you return for more butthurt

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    Ronin

    First you need the fuel, ie years of bark, leaves , undergrowth etc, then you need a drying trend in the weather, then the various ignition sources ranging from morons with matches and cig butts, to ag machinery, to lightning strikes.

    All the current wet weather will assist the fuel buildup, so a future major bushfire season is on the way once drought returns.

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      Honk R Smith

      In Capt. John Smith’s chronicles, he says the Native Americans would set the forest on fire to improve travel and hunting. Claims it was possible to ride a horse at full gallop through woods.
      He also claims to have met 60 ‘Salvages’ he calls Sasquesahanocks.
      Calling them giants he says one, “the calfe of whose leg was 3 quarters of a yard about, and all the rest of limbs so answerable to that proportion”, and that he “seemed the goodliest man that ever we beheld”.
      “One had the head of a Wolfe hanging in chaine for a Jewel.”

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        David Maddison

        Calling them giants he says one, “the calfe of whose leg was 3 quarters of a yard about, and all the rest of limbs so answerable to that proportion”, and that he “seemed the goodliest man that ever we beheld”.

        Yes, there is or was evidence of pre-Columbiam extremely tall races in North America and there are many news and other reports of the time of the early European settlers. This was documented in a book called:

        Giants On Record: America’s Hidden History, Secrets In The Mounds And The Smithsonian Files

        Publisher: Avalon Rising Publications

        ISBN : 9780956786517

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      GlenM

      Give it another 2 years I reckon. When the wind turn away from the East and back to hot Northerly we will have our inferno.

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      Pete of Charnlop

      Indeed. In Dec 2019, I took a drive from Tumut up to Kiandra to spot some Brumbies with my daughter. There were already fires about, reasonably close, and the smoke in the air told the story. What horrified me though was the MASSIVE amount of fuel I saw while driving along the Snowy Mountains Hwy once up the hill from Talbingo. How can this be let to happen? It’s just begging for a totally disastrous, uncontrollable, wild fire. Well, guess what happened? Just days later, Wolgal Hut, Pattinson’s Hut, and the old Kiandra Chalet are burnt down. Worthy to note here though that these three buildings were all in ‘clear’ area. That is to that they were not surround immediately by forest, but rather by significant tall grass land. The fires must have whipped through here at a breakneck pace.:(

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    Neville

    So many of the Avocado growers in the Sunraysia, Robinvale etc area have had to install very expensive wind machines because many suffered losses from frosts over the years.
    This includes other areas in VIC and over in the SA areas as well.
    And in recent years frosts have wiped out areas of wheat acreages in VIC , NSW, SA and recently some parts of WA.
    Frost has always been a problem for many crops , but most stone fruits require winter frosts to crop properly and so far stone fruit areas seem to be cropping very well.

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    Simon

    The issue is that an unseasonably warm winter meant that the grapes budded early, making them susceptible to later frosts.

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      b.nice

      So weather.. Thanks. 🙂

      Frost kills grapes, second year in a row… oh dear.. must be global warming !

      Must be so difficult to stop that cognitive dissonance echoing in your mostly empty brain cavity !

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      GlenM

      An unseasonably warm winter means nothing Simon. Where I live we had a stone fruit industry that collapsed years ago due to bud freeze and blossom loss due to a cold September. Such are the risks relating to horticulture. Early budding is a heads up for a cold snap for sure. Hope this helps.

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      Ross

      Simon, that is certainly not untrue. During the millennial drought in Australia (1998-2012) plenty of wine growers (and other horti farmers) reported earlier budding, flowering etc in crops. Not a great deal of difference, maybe a couple of weeks at most compared to previous decades. But was it warmer temps or just plants reacting to dryer conditions? But it made little difference if it was a late frost (our equivalent being say early November) because it affected most crops anyway. But it’s complicated because then certain varieties can be more frost prone than others. At the end of the day, Its just normal farming experience.

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        Ross

        …drier not dryer. ( Doh!)

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        another ian

        My father used to mention one winter here in SW Qld where the first frost was in November. Which definitely ruined the crop yield for anything flowering then.

        What year? One of the troubles with history – we didn’t think to ask, but I presume pre-WW2. Weather stations with thermometers were scarce in earlier days I’ve found. And as for asking the older generation – I am of the older generation.

        And I have no expertise with tables, white sheets, candles and dark rooms.

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        Where is his source Ross ?..Simon’s argument is one of deception by omission ..The issue is cold night-time temperatures continuing into Spring [ April ] ….It’s there in the text : ” Meteo-France …..said the night of April 3 was the coldest night on a national scale since the creation of the national thermal indicator in 1947 ….The late winter snap also hit Germany ” ……Wine grapes in Europe were cultivated at higher northern latitudes – and altitudes – in the Medieval Optimum centuries than the modern era

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          Why do you, “I do my own research”, types never actually do their own research. The germ of this story is the 2021 season and was the subject of research and was indeed because of early budding caused by a warm winter followed by a late spring frost.

          https://www.decanter.com/wine-news/climate-change-frost-damage-vineyards-study-461061/
          https://www.winemag.com/2021/04/12/france-frost-wine-climate/

          With temperatures in early April as low as 22°F, and following an unseasonably warm March, this year’s frost damage may be the worst in history for French winegrowers. Every corner of France reports considerable losses, from Champagne to Provence, and Côtes de Gascogne to Alsace. As a result, there will likely be very little French wine from the 2021 vintage reaching U.S. shores.

          Spring frosts present a threat to vineyards every year. If it happens after bud break, the vine’s first growth after its winter dormancy, it can kill the plant.

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            Tell us again Gee Aye : are floods and rainstorms one and the same thing ? …You seem reluctant to answer …..Who really believe this years frosts are the worst in the history of French viticulture ? Decanter and Winemag are not scientific journals

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              are floods and rainstorms one and the same thing ? You seem reluctant to answer

              you only just asked. Maybe I should have anticipated that you needed someone to look up a dictionary.

              The magazines are reporting research about the exact same events that were so scientifically presented in the OP.

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                I have asked you multiple times ..This was your claim [ ” They are the same thing”] on a previous debate thread ..The 2021 grape harvests are not the worst in France’s viticulture history

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      The issue is that an unseasonably warm winter meant that the grapes budded early, making them susceptible to later frosts.

      that can’t be true. It wasn’t mentioned anywhere in the OP.

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        You seem to be confusing weather and climate Gee Aye 2021 is just one season and humidity and hailstorms also damaged the grape harvests. I have read historical chronicles such as Gregory of Tours History of the Franks that mention precocious grapevine budding in 6th century Franconia . This is nothing new There is no climate change signal and the 2021 grape harvests are not the worst in French viticulture history The United Nations FAO data show that ” new records for global grape production were set in 2013 ,2015 and most recently in 2018 . Between 1988 and 2019 ….grape production increased by approximately 33 percent….in 2020 wine producers in France ,Italy and Spain were trying to suppress wine production to manipulate the market due to the PREVIOUS SEASONS HIGH YIELDS….” https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/12/28/stop-whining-about-wine-60-minutes-data-show-grape-production-doing-well/

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          You stating what I am does not make it so. I was addressing the specific topic raised in the OP about a particular event in France. I made no mention of climate or weather but stated a fact of a warm winter and a late frost.

          Your tangent is quite tangential. I’ll take it as a comment.

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            You are resistant to reason and you have not appreciated the bigger picture ..Stating the ‘fact of a warm winter and late frost’ pertaining to one French vineyard season is weather – not climate change. The Watts Up With That article is not at all tangential and if you think the ABC’s Tony Jones aphorism is worth tangentially mimicking by all means go ahead .

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              I’m not heading off on another topic and that is clearly frustrating for you.

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                b.nice

                You actually have no topic.. You are just blathering, saying nothing of any relevance..

                Not one of your comments above has one bit of actual content. !

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                Actually its not frustrating …..Peter Fitzroy and others here go off on tangents and you are not perturbed enough to admonish them ….Its not the principle but the tribal side isn’t it ‘Gee Aye’ ? And b.nice is correct : you can barely muster a paragraph. All you do is snipe

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    David Maddison

    Even if the world were warming that would only be a good thing as the Minoan, Egyptian, Roman and Medieval warm periods have shown us.

    If the world is cooling, that would be a seriously bad thing, especially since due to warmist policies, much of the world’s supply of cheap, reliable energy has been trashed.

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    Neville

    Just a reminder AGAIN for our silly blog donkeys that the area burned for GLOBAL fires has been dropping since 1900 or for 122 years.
    Here Willis Eschenbach lists the latest data about GLOBAL fires and he uses the same proper data as Lomborg, Dr Christy, Dr Pielke etc.
    BTW please note that the big reduction in area burned is also recorded by the more recent satellite data as well. See orange part of his graph at the link.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/25/wheres-the-emergency/

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      Neville

      Here’s Dr Christy’s very accurate presentation about all their so called climate emergency or EXISTENTIAL threats or whatever.
      At 25 minutes he covers wildfires way back into the 19th century and through to the present day.
      If you have the time to watch this video it covers all the BS and nonsense from their so called scientists and so much of their MSM, pollies etc.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2Cd4MLUoN0

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    b.nice

    History shows that warmer temperatures led to larger grain harvests and lower prices. Of course they do !

    https://notrickszone.com/2022/04/05/europe-history-shows-warm-temperatures-led-to-larger-grain-harvests-lower-prices-less-hunger/

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    Neville

    At Willis’ link you can also follow Western USA droughts for over a thousand years.
    Note that the wettest period for that large area started about 1490 and previously MEGA droughts sometimes lasted for centuries, see Cook et al. Just look at the graph for yourselves.

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    Ross

    Frost damage is nothing new for any agriculture. Both broadacre and horti. Luck of the game if you’re going to be hit, bit like hail. This has been reported now for a couple of years in France (and also Germany). It’s probably just topical and could even be happening in slightly different areas each year. I have worked on lots of vineyards over the years. The owners can tell you which blocks will frost more than others. They are usually the low lying blocks, prone to windless mornings. Solutions for those vineyards was to install new plantings on higher ground on slopes. Maybe the frost damage for these French vignerons are in those low lying blocks. The French are notoriously anti- technical in their wine growing compared to Australian practices. Valuable frost prone blocks in Australia would have fans installed pronto. But the French, certainement pas!! ( No way, in English).

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      David Maddison

      Yes. The Australian wine industry is strongly science- and evidence-based. The French industry is like “climate change”, based on magic and no evidence.

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      Peter C

      Frost damage is nothing new for any agriculture.

      People driving on the Western Highway may have noticed that the orchards at Bacchus Marsh have propellers mounted on poles (they look like small wind turbines).

      They are there to prevent frost damage by stirring the air and disturbing the sub zero air which settles just above the ground in the low lying area.

      After world war 2 Riverina farmers snapped up a squadron of Mosquito bombers which were sold a surplus from the air force base at Narromine. They chopped the wings off and put them in the orchards. They would run the Merlin V 12 engines in the early morning prevent frost damage.

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        Ross

        Just like all high value orchard crops( eg cherries) in Australia. Almost all are now netted to prevent hail damage and to keep birds out.

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        Ronin

        You would need deep pockets to run a Merlin as a farm machine, at full throttle they consume around 700 LPH of 130-150 ron fuel, obviously they would be run at not much more than an idle and may get away with the best available auto fuel.

        The ones I saw in the Napa Valley were VW engines on a pole spinning what were likely timed out Cessna/ Piper propellors.

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        RickWill

        They would run the Merlin V 12 engines in the early morning prevent frost damage.

        It would take a king’s ransom to fire up a Merlin V12 these days let alone run it to prevent frosts.

        Somewhere back in my memory I can recall paying 2 shillings and fourpence for an imperial gallon of petrol back in the mid 1960s. I understand that was the period of lowest real cost of petrol ever in Australia. Just after the Lytton refinery started up.

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          Peter C

          Maybe it would only need idling power to stir the air over the vinyard.

          Post War Era
          1947
          The buildings, equipment and Mosquito bombers still at Narromine two years after the war are sold off. Local farmers bought the Mosquitos for 15 pounds each, or 65 pounds with engines fitted, and towed them to their properties to cannibalise for parts. Pieces of Mosquito are still being recovered from the local properties.

          http://narromineaviationmuseum.org.au/post-war-era/

          A Merlin V12 aero engine was displayed on a trailer at the Wings, Wheels and Coffee day at the Bacchus Marsh airfield in Feb this year.
          The owner said he rebuilt it from little more than the crankshaft and crankcase. It was set up to run, driving a cut down DC3 propeller. The radiator cane from a combine harvester rescued from a junk yard. He ran it several times during the morning at low power.

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    David Maddison

    Here’s an article on “Frost Injury, Frost Avoidance, and Frost Protection in the Vineyard”.

    Frost is not a new or unknown problem.

    Site selection and choice of cultivar are important. Did farmers decide to grow popular rather than frost-resistant varieties?

    https://grapes.extension.org/frost-injury-frost-avoidance-and-frost-protection-in-the-vineyard/

    The most important factor in avoiding frost injury is vineyard site selection. Cold air flows downhill so mid-slope positions are warmer if cold air flow is unobstructed. Grape cultivars vary in date of bud burst by up to 2 weeks, so your selection of cultivars influences frost risk and preferred location within the vineyard. Plant cultivars with early bud burst in locations with the lowest risk of frost. Most French hybrid cultivars, such as Frontenac or Marechal Foch, break bud earlier than Vitis vinifera varieties. Varieties with strong Vitis riparia backgrounds are especially prone to early budbreak.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

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      Ross

      Most definitely. Varietal choice and position of blocks is super important in terms of frost damage.

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    Neville

    Willis also shows the Lancet study deaths from COLD versus deaths from HEATWAVES, in various countries and some continents around the world.
    COLD is the BIG killer and heatwave deaths are only about 10% of cold deaths. Of course everyone should now understand that a warmer world is a much healthier world as well.
    OH and the Earth has been GREENING for at least 30 years, because of the extra co2 in the air. The plants just love the extra co2.

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      David Maddison

      The plants just love the extra co2.

      Yes, and it became dangerously low. Plants die below 150-200ppm CO2. We narrowly escaped a mass extinction event.

      Even at 400ppm it is still too low for comfort. I’d like to see it around 800ppm or higher but less than 5000ppm which is considered an upper limit for breathing in the workplace over an 8hr exposure period.

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        Neville

        Yes David and when Humans breathe out our breath can contain up to 40,000 ppm of co2.
        Here’s the link, see down the list for this quote.

        https://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/how-much-co2-do-humans-exhale/

        “How Much Co2 Ppm Does A Human Exhale”?

        “People breathe a lot, which results in the production of CO2. exhaled by an adult contains 35,000 to 50,000 parts per million (ppm) of CO2 – 100 times more than is typically found in the outside air”.

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          Ronin

          May I suggest that best way to get this under control is for all the warmists to collectively hold their breaths, we will let you know when the CO2 PPM is low enough for you to breathe again.

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    OldOzzie

    Reality Intrudes Upon Biden’s Climate Hypocrisy

    It’s time for a reality check. If you take a confidential survey of environmentalists, the candid ones will admit that the Obama administration was a great disappointment when it came to “climate change “and moving the country to “green” energy. Despite promising on election night in 2008 that the sea levels would stop rising because he’d deliver green nirvana, the Obama years saw the massive reversal in America’s long decline in domestic oil production, as the fracking revolution took Washington by surprise.

    The fracking revolution happened quietly out of view; if Washington had been aware of what was happening, they would surely have stopped it cold. Like Uber when it shows up to challenge a taxi monopoly in a city, it is hard to kill off a thriving sector entirely once it has taken root.

    Obama was an ideologue, but he wasn’t stupid. After the financial crash of 2008 and the slow-growth recovery that followed, the oil and gas sector was about the only sector that boomed aside from Wall Street. He likely knew that without the resurgence of oil and gas, especially in swing states like Pennsylvania and Ohio, he likely would have lost his re-election bid in 2012. Ironically the hated fracking revolution led in the U.S. to the largest decrease in carbon emissions anywhere in the world, as suddenly cheap natural gas outcompeted coal in the marketplace—all without a signing ceremony on the White House lawn.

    Joe Biden took office apparently after gulping extra helpings of climate Kool-Aid, determined to strangle fossil fuels more seriously than Obama ever did. Halting the Keystone XL pipeline in mid-construction was an unprecedented step. It is one thing to block a permit application for a project, but a president had never before stopped a private sector construction project that was already under way.

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    Richard+Jenkins

    When the Vikings grassed Greenland and grew grapes in Canada it was cooler there than it is now. Michael Mann proved it.
    Well the IPCC, after the legal battles with McIntyre, did remove his fraudulent hockey stick graph but leave references to it throughout the documents.
    Those who believe Greenland is hotter now than when the Vikings lived there call me a denier. I am skeptical but not gullible.

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      Richard+Jenkins

      Jo, I am aware of he Mann legal battles. I should have ended the first sentence with ? and the second sentence !.
      to avoid possible misunderstanding of my thoughts. Bob Carter and Ian Plimer are amongst those who have written of this fraud. Mann and James Hansen are prominent in the warmist religion and both are convinced they are right.
      I love both of them as they provide fantastic evidence of Hansen and Mann’s stupidity that enables me to convince many people that AGW is bad for them. I teach to always be skeptical, check data and it’s source. Did the Vikings grow grapes in Canada? Did Hansen say t offially on the record there would be no ice in the Arctic this Century in 1989? That is after 1999! That is in 11 years. It is now 33 years so this becomes ridiculous. Check there is more ice in 2022 than in 1998. Hansen and Mann have no credibility with free thinking minds. My children, grandchildren and their friends all are vocal AGW skeptics.
      Same applies to friends and colleagues. A special friend has a B Sc forrestry, was a town planner and vice president of the Trust For Nature. He read some scientific literature and after 3 years called me and thanked me for opening his eyes. David Evans will relate with that.

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    Mark Allinson

    It’s twenty years now since Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia, told us that within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.

    The rising CO2 levels would have only one possible result, the theory stated, the world would be steadily warming, making winters milder, and reducing snow falls.

    Over the past 5 years or so, as the CO2 count continued to rise, the northern hemisphere winters have set new records for low temperatures and snow levels have been rising year on year.

    In other words, the theory has been falsified, but the true believers just shrug and carry on.

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    Geoff Sherrington

    For those who like data, here is the UAH satellite temperature for the lower troposphere (the usual one, most discussed) showing no Australian temperature rise averaged over the last 9 years and 8 months.
    As a teetotaller for 40 years, I cannot provide any expertise on wine growing.
    Geoff S
    http://www.geoffstuff.com/uah_australia_to_april_2022.jpg

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    another ian

    I’ve just finished reading Guy Hull “The ferals that ate Australia” and am left with that feeling that

    “the more things change the more they stay the same”

    with the place of “acclimitisation societies” being replaced by CAGW-ers of various stripes

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    RickWill

    It is almost done.

    The UN has all but replaced the Catholic Church as THE global scare mongers. Do the UN’s bidding and you are guaranteed perfect weather and peaceful life. Continue in your evil ways by burning carbon and you are destined to live hell on Earth.

    The question to ponder – Is a simple suit appropriate attire for the leader of the new climate religion? Or is this more like it:
    https://magic983.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2020/04/GettyImages-531589702-e1587044049981.jpg

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      Ross

      I have heard many commentators reflect on the reduction of the role of religion in most of our lives compared to yesteryear. Just recently also with Michael Schellenberger talking with Joe Rogan on his podcast. It’s almost as if a lot of people have turned towards climate change as their new religion. It has similar characteristics- worshipping, false deity, sermons, shunning /ostracisation of non believers. So, yes not unlike the RC church!!

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    Maptram

    I recall, many years ago, reading about the citrus groves in California, where they had fires in pots to reduce frost damage, I think they were called smudge pots. They would be OK now as long as they burned wood to produce the heat, since since the wood is a renewable resource, no matter that such burning produces CO2.

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      Maptram

      Just found a link

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smudge_pot#History

      “The use of smudge pots became widespread after a disastrous freeze in Southern California, January 4–8, 1913, wiped out a whole crop.[4][5]”

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      I spent time in france in the mid ‘70s, in the wine areas of the south.
      Frosts were not uncommon and one common way of dealing with it was to cover the vinyards with smoke by burning piles of old tyres around the fields !
      That must have really added to the flavor spectrum !
      At the same time, in the UK we would use irrigation sprays to prevent frost damage on fruit bushes, i believe that is also still used for vinyards.

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    Gerard

    I watched the ABC (Australia) propaganda documentary on the poles last night and it was interesting that whiles are quickly melting and that methane is rising from decomposing mammoths buried deep under the permafrost from 38000 years ago. My question is fi now is the warmest it has been for 800000years why and how the mammoths were roaming the tundra at that time and are now buried at such a depth?

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      Ronin

      It must have been warm at that time, it has been said that some mammoths were eating grass with flowering daisies in it, they were snap frozen by a blizzard that never warmed up in 38,000 years.

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      Chris

      There are modern geologists who believe that hydrocarbons are a byproduct from fusion taking place in the core and making its way through cracks and fissures to the mantle. This hypothesis was first put forward by the Russians in the 1950’s.
      Currently there are five monitored inactive volcanoes that degass megatons of CO2, and the Gulf of Mexico
      has methane being emitted from the ocean floor. There is so much methane that fish have bacteria in their gills which manage the methane for them, otherwise they could not extract Oxygen from the water. Stories of missing ships in the ‘Bermuda Triangle’ have shown to be Methane bubbling up and creating a vacuum under the ship, which then falls into the hole and is covered by the sea.

      If this ever proves to be accurate, then hydrocarbons -gas and oil are renewables from an inorganic source and we should make the most of them instead of spoiling and desecrating life on the surface.

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      beowulf

      To find out how mammoths came to be snap-frozen still with mouthfuls of grass, and then tumbled into heaps and buried, you need to read Velikovsky my friend.

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    William

    The logic supporting the alarmist belief system defies rational understanding. Any bit of weather that happens is immediately claimed as proof of AGW/MMCC, even if that weather is something they said would never happen in the future. They really are a primitive people with a doomsday culture seeing omens in everything.

    And the sad, yet terrifying problem is that they truly believe it – other than the snake-oil salesmen who are in it for their own benefit.

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    Gerard

    it should say that while the poles are quickly melting

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      b.nice

      Except they are not.

      Arctic sea ice is still well above what it has been for most of the last 10,000 years.
      Only the period of the LIA was a much higher, and there was another high point in the late 1970s with maybe similar levels to the LIA.

      It has dropped down slightly from these extreme high extents, but there is still a lot more sea ice now, compared to the Holocene average.

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        TdeF

        There are two parts to that. Antarctica, a block of ice the size of two Australias and 3.5km high at an average winter temperature of =50C and summer temperature of -25C is not melting any time soon. And the Arctic which is floating ice has an average temperature of 0C which should make the area very sensitive to the slightest change in average temperature, so it is the proverbial canary in the cage for Global Warming. And it is unchanged after 34 years of rapid Global Warming.

        So why the poles are considered ‘melting’ is beyond fact. More Twilight Zone.

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          Ronin

          If the North Pole was really melting, wouldn’t shipping be taking shortcuts through there.

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            b.nice

            Pretty sure that no-one has been able to use the St Roch route down through Prince of Wales Strait since 1944. It been impassable.

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    Philip

    Interesting that the decision to record weather was only in 1947 in France. I think it was a bad idea too because if we didn’t record temperature no one would care less about slight variations in numbers.

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    TdeF

    After 34 years of man made CO2 induced Global Warming now to be called Climate Change, it is clear that science has nothing to do with it. Climate Change is a UN sponsored superstition. And like all superstitions, exploited by the high priests. So while it is easy to prove that it is all make believe, people are scared and wanting solutions, at any price. It is declared a Climate Emergency.

    In this Climate Emergency, a whole layer of high priests has evolved with PhDs in climate change economic forecasting. And they have families and mortgages and ambitions and are well rewarded for their insights into the holy climate computer models and they are worshiped by the press.

    And the holiest of all is the new God of Nett Zero, which must be fed with carbon taxes or sequestration of virgin carbon. All hail the mighty Carbon gods. They will spare their unworthy subjects given endless gifts of cash and carbon. And so must the children be taught. Pay the Climate Gods and we will be happy on our green bicycles and live forever on smashed Avocado and Kale. For the Climate Gods are kind and merciful. As long as we obey.

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    Gerry, England

    But surely with all the alleged warming, frosts in spring will never happen again?

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      TdeF

      The very odd thing after 34 years of allegedly rapid warming is that a move of 1.2C in an average is tiny and yet it is portrayed as the end of the world. It is not anywhere near as warm as it has been over the last 2,000 years. Even the 1.2C figure hasn’t changed in a decade.

      The creation of a state of panic, an emergency, a crisis is still the major policy agenda of the UN. That is the same UN declared absolutely in January 2020 that the Chinese government Wuhan Flu was not infectious, person to person. And there has been no apology for the millions who have died as a consequence.

      Being deliberately wrong is obviously standard practice for the UN. Meanwhile life goes on an people rush to save their crops from the usual frosts. And presumably children have never have seen snow in winter either. And where are those drowned cities and Climate refugees?

      Really, has a single prediction of man made CO2 driven rapid Global Warming ever come true? The pretend world governments UN/EU are the problem and the money flows in the trillions because the sky is falling and it’s an emergency, a crisis. 34 years really does redefine rapid. Only another 20 years to go, apparently.

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        TdeF

        And its been 15 years since the ABC’s Science adviser and Tom Jones impersonator Robyn Williams with a degree in Physics suggested with all seriousness to Andrew Bolt that the ocean could rise 100 metres by 2100. That’s fifteen metres by now and he was trying to walk it back a decade ago but still we are asked to believe.

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        Graeme No.3

        TdeF:
        The current Global Warming scare started in 1981. James Hansen & Steven Schneider and others. The latter fresh from the Coming Ice Age (various times, but the last in 1979) was now talking of Buckingham Palace going to be 7 feet underwater. Hansen waited until 1988 before claiming that by 2018 The Maldives would be underwater, along with parts of Wall Street. These didn’t happen although Wall Street might be in trouble soon.

        The earlier “We are all doomed” see Eighteen-Sixty-Four Tipping Point Warns of “Climatic Excess”
        “As early as 1864 George Perkins Marsh, sometimes said to be the father of American ecology, warned that the earth was ‘fast becoming an unfit home for its “noblest inhabitant,”’

        And there was a raft of articles about warming in the Arctic in the 1920’s and 30’s but they all seem to have welcomed it.

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    The IPCC and its deciples seem incapable of understanding the modulating effect of time on any apparently scary prediction. The Earth adapts to all changes, and the inhabitants adapt to the changes the planet presents..GRADUALLY !
    No one would drown from rising sea levels, no one will fry if temperatures increase 2,4, or even 5 degrees,
    Time will allow the planet and its occupants to adapt gradually….its called EVOLUTION.

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    Sean McHugh

    I think, “Global Warming Causes frosts Now” would have been a stronger header.

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