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Antihistamines and the remarkable story of the freakishly good treatment plan in Spain that no one mentions

Polaramine

In March 2020 a group of doctors working in nursing homes in Toledo, Spain faced a new pandemic with no effective treatment plan. They figured out their own protocol as best they could with what can only be described as freakish success. In nearby Albacete when Covid struck 1084 nursing home residents, 303 of them died, a 28% fatality rate. But in Toledo, of the 90 patients in nursing homes under Doctor Blanco’s care, only 6 died, and they all died before the team figured out their own new treatment plan. Of the 84 residents who were then treated with antihistamines like Polaramine, all 84 would make it. Every single one, even though their mean age was 85.

It seems too good to be true. Antihistamines are used to calm an overactive immune system (itchy, sneezes and runny noses) but they are not known for their anti-viral activity, though it turns there is some.

And while the antihistamines are possibly very helpful, the whole treatment protocol was so much more, and also included nasal washes, antibiotics, and prednisone, as well as something called “respiratory physiotherapy”. Somehow these doctors, saints or geniuses, had figured out a combination that worked, and there was no obvious reason why it should be treated like a lucky freak and ignored while millions literally died, yet that of course is precisely what happened.

Another research group in Spain studied nearly 80,000 people to see whether there were patterns in who got infected the most often. Only a few things ended up being significant and one of those was histamine use. People using antihistamines were half as likely to catch covid. (Vila-Córcoles).

But make no mistake, their treatment plan was a lot more than just Polaramine, and the antibiotics and nasal washes would all be important too.

For example, azithromycin works against a lot of viruses:

Numerous studies describe a possible antiviral activity of azithromycin against viruses as diverse as influenza viruses (Orthomyxoviridae), rhinovirus (Picornaviridae) [], respiratory syncytial virus (Paramyxoviridae) and zika (Flaviviridae) []. Tran et al.[] demonstrated the possible mechanism of antiviral action of azithromycin that blocks internalization into human lung epithelial cells during the early phase of infection of influenza virus A(H1N1)/pdm09 in vitro.

But antihistamines have their own toolkit against viruses and cytokine storms:

Regarding antihistamines, in recent years molecules with antihistamine activity have been identified as having powerful antiviral properties, inhibiting the entry of certain viruses into the target cell, such as the Ebola virus (filovirus) [], or the hepatitis C virus (flavivirus) [], or by other mechanisms []. Several H1 receptor antagonists have demonstrated inhibitory properties on the production and expression of interleukins, chemokines, and other cytokines []. Specifically, cetirizine decreases interleukin production [,].

There’s a whole lot more in the paper, but right now I’m just thinking of all the times a doctor told me that antibiotics won’t help with a viral infection.

We’ve been living in an age of antivirals for years, but we didn’t know it. That probably wasn’t an accident…

The Treatment plan that saved nursing home patients

Naturally, instead of waiting for people to get sick, tested, and admitted to hospital Dr Blanco and co started treatment straight away, and even prophylactically — giving caregivers 12 vaccines. (Not!). They gave caregivers and others in the nursing home polaramine or some other equivalent before they even got sick.

 

Covid treatment plan with antihistamines in Spain.

Click to enlarge.

 

I’ve added the common brand names in brackets below.

Clinical management of COVID-19 used in the nursing homes of Yepes

1.Early start of treatment, regardless of the severity of patient symptoms.
2.Patients with mild or recent-onset symptoms (cough, fever, general malaise, anosmia, polymyalgia):
      • -Antihistamines every 12 h: dexchlorpheniramine (Polaramine) 2 mg, cetirizine (Zyrtek)  10 mg or loratadine (Claritin) 10 mg.
      • -Azithromycin 500 mg orally every 24 h for 3 days if there is rapid improvement, and for 6 days if the duration of symptoms is prolonged.
      • -If pain or fever, acetaminophen (Panadol) 650 mg/6–8 h.
      • Nasal washing and gargling with sodium bicarbonate water (half a glass of warm water with half a teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate).
3.If symptoms of severity (dyspnea, breathing difficulty, mild or moderate chest pain, with SpO2 >80%, heart rate <100 beats per minute at any time of the process):
      • -Antihistamines + Azithromycin (see mild treatment management)
      • -Levofloxacin 500 mg/12 h, up to 14 days of antibiotic treatment from diagnosis.
      • -Mepifilin solution, 50 mg/8 h as a bronchodilator, until subjective improvement. Patients with previous lung disease (asthma or COPD) used their usual bronchodilators.
      • -If the patient experienced increased breathing difficulty, prednisone 1 mg/kg/day divided into two doses until clinical improvement, and then it was slowly tapered down.
4.Prophylactic treatment for close contacts, including all asymptomatic residents:
-Antihistamines at the same dose as symptomatic patients.
ARS-2 infects the ACE-2 receptor, which is expressed on MAST cells, which are an immune cell loaded with histamine, notorious for their role in allergic reactions.

Take this paper to your doctor?

It is only an observational study, not a randomized, blinded one, but the results are remarkable.

As always , you must check out the side effects and cross reactions with medications yourself. Polaramine is well known for making people drowsy, so don’t drive or pilot a passenger aircraft. The antibiotics need a prescription.  But you may want to have some antihistamines on hand, so consider them now, before the FDA or TGA bans them.  I’ll say more sometime about other antihistamines. This study was based on 90% polaramine, though other studies use the other varieties.

It was obvious this treatment plan was doomed

Listen to Dr Blanco and co:

This safe and inexpensive treatment protocol could have a crucial impact …

Antihistamines and azithromycin are drugs with extensive experience of use, good safety profile, good tolerance, low cost and wide availability, so this combined treatment regimen may respond to the global therapeutic needs for COVID-19 for all age groups. Clinical trials are necessary to determine its efficacy. As there are no commercial interests, they should be promoted by national health systems as a social responsibility.

If only. How many people might have been saved?

Hat tips here to  Lance, Hanrahan, OldOzzie, Jim Barker, Vicki, and PeterC, and Antonie for prodding.

REFERENCES

Blanco J.I.M., Bonilla J.A.A., Homma S., Suzuki K., Fremont-Smith P., Heras K.V.G.D.L. Antihistamines and azithromycin as a treatment for COVID-19 on primary health care—A retrospective observational study in elderly patients. Pulm. Pharmacol. Ther. 2021;67:101989. doi: 10.1016/j.pupt.2021.101989. [PMC free article]

Vila-Córcoles, (2020) Influence of prior comorbidities and chronic medications use on the risk of COVID-19 in adults: a population-based cohort study in Tarragona, Spain, BMJ Open. 2020;10:e041577. doi:10.1136/bmjopen-2020-041577

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111 comments to Antihistamines and the remarkable story of the freakishly good treatment plan in Spain that no one mentions

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    Peter C

    The Spanish treatment protocol is quite similar to Dr Shakara Chetty’s (South Africa) regime, with similar great results.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ifqE8cBQbI4

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      Geoff+Croker

      Guv treatment = certain death

      or

      Let the doctors do their job = Life

      The choice has always been simple. Guv lives by screwing us all. Free money begets parasites. Doctors are doctors because they WANT to help people.

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      Curious George

      Jo, you should not publish these protocols. It is only a list of items that the government will ban.

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        Saighdear

        but if she didn’t, would you and I get to know and THINK about it ?

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        Salome

        Indeed. I need antihistamines to keep hay fever and mozzie bites at bay.

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          markx

          In terms of control of a new disease these are still early days. It takes time and experience to assess which vaccines work, and to assess the timings snd frequency of the vaccination protocols.
          We all want the answers to be instantly known and widely accepted
          But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way.

          Similarly with treatment protocols. It takes time, experience, and communication.

          Why, only a few weeks ago the great push as a treatment was all about chloroquinalones and ivermectins, yet here we are now with a completely new regime.
          And complaining and questioning why it’s not being used everywhere.

          It certainly looks impressive, and I too chaffe at the favourite “antibiotics won’t help with a virus” (my mother at 83 with chronic respiratory problems end up in emergency with double pneumonia when a doctor tried to let her ride out a bad cold).

          But none of this can happen instantly, as much as we’d like it to.

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    OldOzzie

    Bookmarked and saved

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    Joao Martins

    Variations of that treatment are often advised in cases of “common cold”, irrespective of their possible antivaral activity: they target symptoms and possible secondary infections (bacterial). It seems that doctors forgot about them two years ago and reduced all recommendations to paracetamol…
    I understand that this procedure (mandatory in some places) equates with refusal of assistance to a diseased person.

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    Mark Allinson

    Get ready to hear that pharmacies will in future be required to demand proof that over-the-counter antihistamine sales are “for the intended purpose” and not for “dangerous” off-label use which could put Covid patients in danger of missing the official treatment plan.

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      Laurie

      It’s sort of already happening Mark. My doctor gave me a script for Phenergan even though can you ask for it over the counter. the Chemist still grills me on why I want it etc. They even typed a label with my name on it. I think that’s why the Doc gave me the script.

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        Hivemind

        I get that a lot too. Even thought my doctor told me to follow a certain treatment plan, which involves non-prescription items like osteo panadol, my chemist insists on giving me the third degree any time I ask for it.

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      Tom Harley

      Whenever I buy polaramine it is always referred to the pharmacist first and ask what else I am taking. When I questioned why, it was suggested they won’t supply to those taking anti depressants.

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      GrahamP

      Thanks for that link OldOzzie.

      Difflam makes a mouthwash that contains Iodine: https://difflam.com.au/product/difflam-ready-to-use-sore-throat-gargle-with-iodine/

      It looks like using a mouthwash and saline nasal spray might be a good preventative to add to hand sanitizing after a trip to a busy supermarket or other crowded space.

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        Fast Bowler

        Some months ago I came across a book (free over the internet but around USD30 plus freight if the physical book is purchased) called RAPID VIRUS RECOVERY by highly experienced cardiologist Dr Thomas E. Levy, MD and JD. In this book he prescribes a treatment he has used on hundreds of patients with CV symptoms with zero losses. It involves a nebuliser and Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2, 3% by volume). He also recommends Vitamins C and D3 plus Zn.

        His method is great as a regular clean out for your lungs and ultimately your GI system. I bought a nebuliser for $114 and a large bottle of Hydrogen Peroxide for around $10. If you get symptoms you can mix with water or better get some saline (small vials) from the chemist.

        Download the book, have a read and make your own mind up.

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        OldOzzie

        GrahamP,

        I have the Betadine Iodine Nasal Spray purchased from Malaysia, but will get Difflam from Chemist Warehouse

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        OldOzzie

        COVID-19 Is a Business, Not a Pandemic

        So far there’s not really much to panic about in terms of Omicron. Democrats and the media want to push hard on the fact that this variation of the COVID-19 virus is 70 times more contagious than previous variants but in the world of viruses, the goal is to trade its harmful characteristics for transmissibility. In other words, it can keep its host from dying while using it to replicate more of itself. Killing off its host isn’t really good business for viruses.

        It’s not very good business for the pharmaceutical companies either. The less you are afraid of something the less likely you are to buy their product and right now they’ve got state entities trying to forcibly shove what they make down your throat. Vaccines and boosters were such a moneymaker for the past two years that’s created new billionaire CEOs.

        But Omicron is a wrench in the gears for them. Pfizer, for instance, has a fourth vaccine on the verge of release and if you’re not sufficiently afraid then you’re not lining up to get the vaunted “jab.”

        But it’s not just that. Pfizer wants to jab your kids too, and why not? Doing so would send their profits skyrocketing into the stratosphere if approved. According to the New York Post, the pharmaceutical company is aiming squarely at adolescents:

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          OldOzzie

          The FDA approves boosters for minors – without testing boosters on minors

          Age group testing? Zero.

          What happens after the third dose??

          That’s a good question.

          One would rightly assume that the third dose might present more danger of heart problems than the second dose. But FDA doesn’t have the answer to this question. And why doesn’t it have the answer?

          Because the FDA didn’t look.

          Because the FDA decided against holding an advisory meeting to discuss the decision.

          Because the FDA required ZERO tests in this age bracket before approving the latest Pfizer booster for this age bracket.

          Instead, the FDA relied on prior (old) booster data from a study of “200 participants, 18 through 55 years of age.” Choosing to ignore the long-term data for the efficacy of the Pfizer booster shot, the FDA instead reviewed the old data showing “the antibody response against the SARS-CoV-2 virus one month after a booster dose of the vaccine.”

          That’s it. That’s the rigorous studies that now meet FDA standards. Given the self-imposed and purposeful limitations the FDA has placed on its own own information, it has the audacity to conclude:

          “The benefits of a single booster dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine or Comirnaty outweigh the risks of myocarditis and pericarditis in individuals 16 and 17 years of age to provide continued protection against COVID-19 and the associated serious consequences that can occur including hospitalization and death.”

          This is the FDA making a cost/benefit calculation without knowing the costs or benefits. It doesn’t know the real risks because it didn’t study the potential for adverse reactions in kids aged 16 – 17 years. It doesn’t know the real benefits because it chose a shitty study that was limited to one month efficacy data.

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          OldOzzie

          In a trial, Pfizer-BioNTech’s low-dose shot did not provoke an adequate immune response in 2- to 5-year-olds

          A low dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine did not produce a potent immune response in children 2 through 5 years of age, the companies announced on Friday, a discouraging setback that threatens to keep the vaccine from younger children for longer than many parents had hoped.

          In ongoing clinical trials, the companies tested 3 micrograms of the vaccine — one-tenth of the adult dose — in children 6 months to less than 5 years of age. After two doses, children between 6 months and 2 years produced an immune response that was comparable to that of people aged 16 to 25 years, the companies said. But children between 2- and 5-years-old did not.

          The companies said they now would test a third low dose of the coronavirus vaccine in children 6 months to under 5 years of age. But they do not plan to test a higher dose of the vaccine in children between 2 and 5 years of age.

          “The goal here is to understand the potential of protection of the third dose,” said Jerica Pitts, a spokeswoman for Pfizer. “We are studying 3 micrograms at this time.”

          In a conference call with investors and analysts on Friday, Kathrin Jansen, Pfizer’s head of vaccine research, said the company planned to seek authorization for a “three-dose series” in children, instead of the originally planned two doses. If the revised strategy works, “we would have a consistent three-dose vaccine approach for all ages,” she said.

          The announcement underscores the emerging idea among many experts that people should be considered “fully vaccinated” only after receiving what are now viewed as booster shots: three doses of the mRNA vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna, or after receiving at least one additional shot following a single dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

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            Greg in NZ

            In no way do I endorse ABBA nor any other Swedish export, yet:

            Money, money, money,
            It’s a rich man’s world
            .

            Just reading about this junk science makes me want to puke. “Oy vey, we have a va©©ine for that too!”

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      OldOzzie

      Can povidone iodine gargle/mouthrinse inactivate SARS-CoV-2 and decrease the risk of nosocomial and community transmission during the COVID-19 pandemic? An evidence-based update

      and

      Povidone Iodine (PVP-I) Oro-Nasal Spray: An Effective Shield for COVID-19 Protection for Health Care Worker (HCW), for all

      and

      August 18, 2021, preprint

      Oronasal Hygiene with PVP-I for COVID19

      Mouth rinsing, gargling, and nasal irrigation with Povidone-Iodine (PVP-I) is safe and
      effective for prophylaxis, early treatment, and prevention of transmission of COVID-19

      • PVP-I has been used for decades as a broad-spectrum antiseptic in dentistry and
      otolaryngology, so its use for COVID-19 is not re-purposing
      • PVP-I has been widely used in India to prevent nosocomial transmission of COVID-19
      • In clinical trials, PVP-I was up to 90% in prevention hospitalizations and deaths from
      COVID-19

      Application of 0.5%-1.0% PVP-I solution to the nasal cavity, oral cavity, nasopharynx, and
      oropharynx, 2-4 times per day, is an excellent prophylaxis and adjuvant treatment of early
      COVID-19. Its use would also prevent or sharply decrease transmission of the virus from
      contagious persons. Povidone-Iodine (PVP-I) is available over the counter.

      This is the conclusion from the available literature, including physicians’ recommendations.

      https://duckduckgo.com/?q=0.5%25+povidone+iodine+(PVP-I)+mouthrinse&ia=web

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        Dipole

        Thanks OldOzzie,

        Esteemed cardiologist Dr Peter McCullough endorsed this treatment recently in a video. I took notes.

        As the article says,make up a 0.6% Iodine solution with a pinch of salt to make a normal saline solution. If it stings it is too strong, if you react to Iodine use Hydrogen Peroxide.

        The virus now seems to take the nasal route, be creative in getting the solution into your nose, there is a large surface area to cover (about 160 sq cm !). Probably a nasal sprayer followed by a droplet dispenser, go on your back, administer, and then rotate to face down at the floor, using a towel. Spit, do not swallow.

        The nasal route seems to be the first line of entry for the virus, so first symptoms, go for it.

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        paul courtney

        Mr. Ozzie: I am grateful for this info, and must remind myself of our host’s warning re: confirmation bias. I used nasal rinse for years to deal with migraines, starting 20 years ago. Maybe it helped (if you ever dealt with migraines, you probably know what I mean). Still use it irregularly to clean out, only risk is drowning over your sink, and grossing out the kids (wait- that last is a feature). I’ve been wondering if salt water would be deleterious to a virus, IMHO it’s yes (thus the bias). Can any attending virologists inform on basic chemistry of salt rinse on this (or any other) virus?

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          Greg in NZ

          As an old seaweed, I can vouch for the health benefits of salt water up the nose (and down the lungs and in the ears and up places it shouldn’t be).

          Admittedly not pleasant at the time, though the gross-out feature hours later when you lean forward and half the ocean pours out is a hoot. Cures colds, sniffles, hangovers, and so far kept the Wu’flu at bay. [seaweed = surfer]

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      OldOzzie

      Zinc and Quercetin: Importance During Pandemic
      – December 16, 2021

      Quercetin, Bromelain and NAC for COVID (December 2021)
      – December 16, 2021

      Omicron thrives in airways, not lungs; new data on asymptomatic cases

      – December 16, 2021

      Compared to the earlier Delta variant, Omicron multiplies itself 70 times more quickly in tissues that line airway passages, which may facilitate person-to-person spread, they said. But in lung tissues, Omicron replicates 10 times more slowly than the original version of the coronavirus, which might contribute to less-severe illness.

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        Nabrid Obcsje

        Compared to the earlier Delta variant, Omicron multiplies itself 70 times more quickly in tissues that line airway passages, which may facilitate person-to-person spread, they said. But in lung tissues, Omicron replicates 10 times more slowly than the original version of the coronavirus, which might contribute to less-severe illness.

        OldOzzie,

        This is standard Darwinian Evolution at work.
        For an airborne virus artificially bred against humanised lung tissue in mice it is easier for the virus in the wild to infect the first tissue it comes in contact with.
        Ever wondered what the purpose of phlegm is?

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      Nabrid Obcsje

      OldOzzie,

      Iodine based medicines are banned in Old Blighty cause Iodine is an environmental pollutant.

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    red edwards

    While you’re at it, you might want to add lactoferrin as well. (OTC in the US)

    https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0817/10/11/1514

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      Lance

      Lactoferrin + Antihistamines. Reposting from earlier thread, in context with your comment:

      Two Common Over-the-Counter Compounds Reduce COVID-19 Virus Replication by 99% in Early Testing

      A pair of over-the-counter compounds has been found in preliminary tests to inhibit the virus that causes COVID-19, University of Florida Health researchers have found.

      The combination includes diphenhydramine, an antihistamine used for allergy symptoms. When paired with lactoferrin, a protein found in cow and human milk, the compounds were found to hinder the SARS-CoV-2 virus during tests in monkey cells and human lung cells.

      https://scitechdaily.com/two-common-over-the-counter-compounds-reduce-covid-19-virus-replication-by-99-in-early-testing/

      Source paper from University of Florida:

      Figure 8. Combinations of diphenhydramine and lactoferrin exhibit synergy against SARS-CoV-2.

      When combined, they inhibited 99.97% of N-protein RNA copies, a 3-log reduction that was highly significant. These data demonstrate that combinations of two over-the-counter compounds, with well characterized safety profiles, have synergistic effects on inhibition of SARS-CoV-2.

      https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0817/10/11/1514/htm

      From what I can find, the recommended maximum dose of diphenhydramine ( Benadryl) is < 300 mg / day for a 70 Kg human. LD50 oral, human 10.1 mg/kg (707 mg for a 70 kg person / day). The UF paper is speaking of 100 mg/day for a 70 Kg human, for 2 days, if I did the math properly.

      Lactoferrin is pretty benign. mouse acute oral LD50 of recombinant human lactoferrin was greater than 20 000 mg/kg. 90 days feeding test indicated that there was no-observedadverse-effect-level after givening 300 times rh LF recommended dose of animals body weight. The UF paper is speaking of 2000 mg/day for 2 days for a 70 kg person.
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29903285/

      Antiviral properties of lactoferrin–a natural immunity molecule

      article on Lactoferrin: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21847071/

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        red edwards

        Thank you for the re-posting.

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        Ross

        Lactoferrin has been in products for years. In Australia, Blackmores sell an Immune support or “Immunodefence” product supplemented with Vitamin D and Zinc. I picked that product up a few years back and its where I first learned about the anti-viral properties of Zinc. Hence, it was then no surprise when it popped up in Dr Zelenko’s original protocols with the zinc ionophores eg HCQ. 100 mg lactoferrin, 400 IU Vitamin D, 2.5 mg Zinc per capsule.

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      greggg

      An alternative source of lactoferrin – whey protein.

      ‘I believe the next best thing is to use a high-quality low-temperature-processed whey protein. Whey protein is 0.35-2.0% lactoferrin. This suggests that 10-57 grams of whey protein would provide 200 mg of lactoferrin. Unfortunately, whey protein manufacturers do not seem to test and report their lactoferrin contents. The best approach might be to shoot for one or two 20-gram scoops of whey protein per day.’

      https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/covid-19/covid-19-iron-and-the-anemia-of-chronic-disease-2

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    david

    Excellent post Jo

    Also OldOzzie link to Japanese Dental Science Review most interesting.

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      Nabrid Obcsje

      Japanese Dental Science Review most interesting.

      I agree, also interesting is the fact that elemental Iodine is now classified as an environmental pollutant in the UK according to my local pharmacist.
      Also try buying iodised common salt, it’s as if Goiter never existed.

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    David Maddison

    If any drug is off patent and effective in treating covid the Left, the Legacy Media, the Government and the Medical Establishment will be at war against it in favour of expensive, dangerous, poorly or non-effecive patented drugs.

    Look at:

    HCQ – a fraudulent study was published claiming it was ineffective even though it was given in near-lethal doses to dying patients and without zinc, all of which was inconsistent with published protocols as to how HCQ was meant to be used in covid treatment. Banned for covid treatment or prophylaxis in extreme Nanny State Australia.

    Ivermectin, decided as a “horse deworming agent”. Banned for covid treatment or prophylaxis in extreme Nanny State Australia.

    Vitamin D, a clinical trial underway is using an incredibly low dose of Vit D, way below published figures for its use in covid prophylaxis (reported here within last few days). Useful and off-patent but not yet banned in Australia.

    Polaramine. Useful according to this report and off-patent but not yet banned in Australia.

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      Mantaray Yunupingu

      David. We are way beyond the “let’s discuss this, and be reasonable” stage. Pointing out the contradictions etc in “the left’s” arguments and policy positions is as unproductive as say, the fellas landing at Normandy on June 6 1944 trying to reason the Krauts out of THEIR positions.,..

      This Covid19 BS really is a war against humanity. You and I know this FOR SURE since all these alternative-type-treatments were denounced even when no vaccines existed. Even when the alleged outcome was death: no treatment AGAINST death was recommended.

      And here we are. The exact same people (not the same “type” of people; the very same ones) who wanted us dead then, want us dead now too. THUS the gene injections.

      Discussion is futile. Fight them!

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        RoHa

        “Pointing out the contradictions etc in “the left’s” arguments and policy positions”

        Hold on. What has “the left” got to do with it? The Australian Federal Government isn’t “left”, and their policies are just as bad as the Queensland and Victorian Governments.

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          Mantaray Yunupingu

          Sorry RoHa. Didn’t mean to imply the Fed Govt is NOT left. It IS.

          What’s the go with the Feds allowing our rights to be trampled. How hard would it have been for Morrison to have said “No freedom: No Federal dough, ya morons” and then sent the ADF to make the point that jerks like Andrews, Gunner, McGowan, Palaszczuk etc were beyond the pale? One or two F18s and the entire Andrews’ Private Pretorian Guard Head-Stomp circus woulda been outta business…or?

          What the left’s got to do with this is that they want state control over everything imaginable. Anyone going along with that plan is “on the left”.

          BTW: Notice that even the left’s recent gay marriage campaign was about getting STATE approval for it? Notice that the more left the alleged “conservatives” were, the more they supported STATE approval (think Mal Turnbull: wannabe ALP member rejected by Keating).

          2nd BTW: I’m very pleasantly surprised by Dom Perrottet standing against the fake LNP stooges all around him.

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      Plain Jane

      David, don’t forget Tagamet (famotidine). Found in Wuhan to be associated with survival fromC19. Also found useful by some Italian group. Cheap, common, stomach acid tablet that has been on the market since the 80’s I think. Sold OTC in Australia for ages. Sold in supermarkets in the USA. I went from thinking that the whole c19 stupidity when it first started in early 2020 was incompetence. When I found the FDA and the NSW Health and TGA took it off the market for no good reason in SEPTEMBER 2019 – I decided the whole thing was enemy action. I think Jo wrote about this drug at the time. I think it might be back on the market again now, but when it counted – it was not available.

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    Old Goat

    There have been a number of effective treatments that have come to light (Ivermectin, HCQ, Azithromycin , and antihistamines have all been mentioned ) but been supressed by health authorities and the compliant media . The people responsible for this are still doing it and the general population has not yet reacted – but they are becoming aware of it . The vaccine mandate is is getting increasingly unpopular and the draconian measures of certain governments will hopefully destroy them at subsequent elections . Japan seems to be the only country that is working on evidence based treatments (and no vaccine or mask mandate )and that is encouraging . The big question for me is how many people will have to die before this is over…

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    David Maddison

    It seems with appropriate published protocols and readily available and inexpensive drugs, or treatment of common deficiencies such as Vit D or zinc, covid is treatable or preventable.

    The real question people should be asking is why are people still being allowed to die from covid?* And why are certain governments such as Australia’s banning certain helpful drugs.

    *(In a vast majority of cases, I’m sure there are a few non-preventable deaths in susceptible people).

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    Ross

    …”all the times a doctor told me that antibiotics won’t help with a viral infection.”. My experience the exact opposite. Whenever I fronted up to the GP after a long week with the flu they would instantly prescribe antibiotics – and it was mostly azithromycin. When I enquired once about the supposed non activity of AB’s vs virus infection,the doctor muttered something about secondary infection (bacterial). But they all knew it provided some efficacy – it was the medical fraternity dirty little secret. Kept the people coming to the doctor and notching up ever more income.

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      David Maddison

      The anti-viral properties of azithromycin and its effectiveness with covid are well known.

      Therefore the question becones: Have the Left yet had it banned in Australia for covid treatment?

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7290142/

      The mechanisms of the antiviral effect of AZM support a large-spectrum antiviral activity. Azithromycin appears to decrease the virus entry into cells [2, 8]. In addition, it can enhance the immune response against viruses by several actions.

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        Ross

        Its very clear that’s why Dr Zelenko put azithromycin in his protocol along with HCQ, Zinc and Vitamin D. Shotgun approach which works when applied early. There’s also the zinc ionophore effect there as well.

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      Mantaray Yunupingu

      Depends on the doctors, and especially, where those doctors are.

      In my town in (Central Qld) EVERY GP is anti-vax. That’s MY doctor, and all the other GPs my friends etc visit.

      However, since George Christensen is our local MP (12% swing to him last Fed election), AND the local state MP Dale Last got an 11% swing against the crazy sheila from Brisbane who is the Liars’ Party Premier, it’s kinda no surprise that ALP/ABC/Greens/Globalist BS is not getting much support around here.

      Example: Qld Health set up a testing centre in Bowen near the hospital…which did not get a client, and which is now permanently removed.

      Hillbillies and rednecks are not easily convinced to do what the smart folk in the big smoke will do. Too stupid I guess! Heh heh.

      Hewre’s Qld Health doing an injection….https://youtu.be/9gLN3QoN-q8

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    David Maddison

    This is all a symptom of the Left having taken over all the institutions via Rudi Dutschke’s “long march through the institutions”. (German: der lange Marsch durch die Institutionen).

    In this case, the Left have taken over science and medicine meaning “science” and “medicine” is done by decree, not through the legitimate scientific process of open and honest discourse and the competition of competing ideas. And the only ideas they support are those promoted by Big Pharma plus dictatorial policies against free movement (lockdowns) and in favour of censorship.

    Anyone questioning standard Leftist doctrine on treatment of covid will find themselves ruthlessly suppressed, unpersoned and in the case of academics, defunded, unpersoned or sacked; similarly for medical doctors but they also might have their careers terminated by deregistration and their right to practice medicine revoked.

    NOTHING good comes from the Left, or as President Trump said, “Everything woke turns to s**t.

    https://youtu.be/IvJybdKZTf4

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      Dave in the States

      It is a symptom of big governmental bureaucracy. Administrators within the administrative state like to wield authority. The formulate policy and they want their policy enforced. Policy replaces the rule of law. Of course, people like the Greens love it because they like to tell other people what to do and how to do it.

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        Mantaray Yunupingu

        Dave in The States. Here are a couple of known connections between Oz govt / bureaucrats and Big Pharma (American Big Pharma)….

        The Chief Health officer of Victoria Brett Sutton has a brother who is married to a sheila named Jane Halton. She is on the boards of both of Bill Gates’ vaccine outfits: GAVI and CEPI. She, and Sutton push Vaccines ONLY! Jane is also on the Oz Govid19 response commission which pushes vaccines ONLY, and which pushes Hotel Quarantine ONLY. Jane is also the current Chairman of Crown Resorts which owns many of these Quarantine Hotels . Her B-i-L pushes all Jane’s business interests relentlessly. Or…

        The former Chief Medical Officer of Qld…now the Governor… was Jeannette Young. Her husband is a pharmacologist named Graham Nimmo. Graham was / is very close to Pfizer. Jeannette has told us that Astra Zeneca vax can be very dangerous and that Queenslanders should wait for…Pfizer. Her hubby…unexpectedly?….agrees. No conflicts
        of interest in any of this eh?

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          David Maddison

          In other words, “follow the money trail” or as the Romans would have said, “Cui bono?”.

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            Greg in NZ

            Kill Bono“? Somebody, please!

            The neighbour’s been blaring out U2 all morning and, omicron, they’re so last century!

            [hey, it’s the end of the world Part 2.0.2.2, may as well go down laughing]

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    Ross

    One other side effect of vaccines that hasn’t been mentioned. Speaking from personal experience I can say that my psoriasis has had a huge flare up this year. (I’ve had 2 x AZ- if not, I wouldn’t have been able to attend my sons wedding) Old patches increased and new patches emerged. I had suspicions in previous years post flu vaccines but the flare ups seem to stop fairly quickly. Did some digging and found that vaccines are reported to increase auto-immune problems like Psoriasis – which makes sense. Heightened immune response et etc. So, I have contemplated taking some antihistamines to maybe reduce symptoms. Anyone else had similar experience? No use asking the GP – he’ll say just put some cortisone gel on it and wave you out the door.

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      David Maddison

      I believe the “vaccines” also cause an increase in the related condition of eczema which I suffer from. However, my enquiries (Australia) have lead me to believe that no exemptions to Australia’s compulsory vaccination regime will be granted for that reason.

      Also, the police visit doctors who grant exemptions for vaccines and interrogate them. Yes, the police are deciding on your compulsory medical treatment. Most doctors, including ones I know, are now too terrified to grant an exemption.

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        Ross

        Thanks. Yes, Jo keeps suggesting you front up to the GP with all this type of information on early anti- virals etc. But, it’s a waste of time. The whole Medicare structure has the GP’s buttoned down and in hospitals the controls are even more draconian. During COVID in Australia, doctors didn’t even appraise sick COVID people. Most of them almost ran away and hid. As we all know – It was ” get tested, go home and isolate. Then go to the hospital if you get really sick”. Whatever you do DONT come to the medical centre. Amazing really. Doctors not wanting to help sick people. i think literally the first time in history doctors have not been involved in the diagnosis of a disease.

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          John Michelmore

          Please remember doctors registrations are under the control of government. Any doctor bucking the system can be deregistered and loose their income, exactly the same as the state governments are removing from their employ anyone whom doesn’t comply with mandatory vaccinations. I know of one doctor whom applied for an exemption for a young woman whom suffered severe myocarditis after the first jab, he has been tthreatened with deregistration if he applies again. Having government run and funded health systems has some critical flaws, like absolute control by gov. Bureaucracy!

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            Ross

            I understand all that and have great sympathy but still remain a little cynical. It’s the fact that it appears the whole medical fraternity (in Australia at least) basically just gave in without a whimper. I’m talking 2020, in the early stages of COVID. We’ve had public health policy enforced by spin doctors, not real doctors.

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              Ross. “Jo keeps suggesting you front up to the GP with all this type of information”

              1. Legally I cannot give people medical advice.
              2. I want people to share info their doctors may not know.

              Interpret everything I write under those 2 axioms. I am cynical and have been that way since studying medical science decades ago. Docs are nice people who are taught a very filtered list of things. It is never a waste of time to redpill anyone.

              PS: What John M said.

              PPS: Even some safe drugs have conflicts.

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            Simon Thompson

            Been there, done that- from Punching a druggie ONCE.
            AHPRA wiped my 25 year practice with a weeks notice
            A fortunate effect is I can toot the whistle hard and long!
            I have a clear conscience at least!

            I have some assets so NO income for almost a year.
            And my mood is improving all the time!

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      Fran

      My husband’s psoriasis got worse during this summer, unusual because the sun does make it better at 49o north: he had one Moderna shot about May. We did not link it to the vaccine. Then we started hearing about side effects and he has not had another. It is finally starting to improve.

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      Old Goat

      Ross,
      There has been a resurgence of shingles too (also note advertising for treatments for same). It is supposed to be a “long term” trend but I suspect otherwise .

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        NuThink

        Old Goat, I too noticed the advertising for Shingles.

        It struck a cord with me as I had shingles 40 years ago and remember it well, and as I don’t believe in coincidences as a rule – although they do happen – I believe more in causation.

        I had never seen an ad for shingles in all that time until now.

        Strange – or not so?

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          Greg in NZ

          A well-known radio/TV ‘personality’ here who was 100% pro-jabberwocky went down (off air) for a few days a while back with a case of the shingles the week after he proudly boasted of ‘taking his first shot for the team’. Better him than me.

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        NuThink

        Old Goat, a few weeks ago was speaking to a business acquaintance and I asked if he had had the Jab.
        Yes, both he and his wife.
        Any problems? I asked.
        His wife had had a headache, but he nothing.

        But a few minutes later, quite unrelated to the Jab, he apologized for having been off work for a few weeks in bed as he had had a rash that covered his head, the side of his neck and his upper left arm.

        I said nothing, because I felt that had I told him my suspicions it would have turned very sour.

        There are people that you can voice your opinions to and those that you cannot.

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      Tides of Mudgee

      Hi Ross. I suffer mild psoriasis and have done for several years. It’s a mix of itching, burning or stinging. I have been taking 10,000 iu of Vitamin D3 daily for well over a year now and suddenly realised one day that I hadn’t been bothered by the symptoms of psoriasis at all for many months now. While I haven’t had the clot shots, it’s different from your story as there was no flare-up, just on-going symptoms. So for me, big doses of Vitamin D3 has done the trick so far. ToM

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    clarence.t

    Someone posted a link here a few weeks ago where a doctor from Africa (IIRC) was saying the big issue was that the immune system killed the virus, but that released spike protein, so that on about the 8th day, if the person was liable, they could have an acute reaction to that spike protein, and just like some people are allergic to bee stings, this is very much an over-reaction of the body’s histamine system.

    Hence, a large dose of anti-histamines was indicated as soon as that allergic response was noticed.

    Unfortunately I didn’t bookmark it, so if someone can recall the link, it is an interesting read.

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    Hanrahan

    Polaramine is one of the old “Do not operate equipment after taking” type antihistamines and, AFAIK, no longer sold in the US.

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      red edwards

      Not true. The active ingredient, diphenhydramine, is in Benadryl (Brand name), and as over-the-counter generic. I bought some off of Amazon, a couple of days ago.

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        Not so. The active ingredient is NOT diphenhydramine (Benadryl). It is dexchlorpheniramine (polaramine). .

        Though diphenhydramine shows up as useful too in other studies.

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          red edwards

          Please pardon me for disagreeing, but from the original UF paper:

          “Specific antihistamines exhibit off-target sigma receptor binding activity, and also exhibit antiviral activity against SARS-CoV-2, including clemastine, cloperastine, astemizole, hydroxyzine, azelastine and diphenhydramine. Since diphenhydramine is the most commonly used antihistamine exhibiting antiviral activity, we asked if antiviral activity could be improved by combining a sigma receptor ligand with lactoferrin, an antiviral agent that binds distinct targets [28,29]. We found that co-administration of 400 μg/mL of lactoferrin with diphenhydramine reduced SARS-CoV-2 induced cytotoxicity and decreased the EC50 (Figure 8C,D). The antiviral enhancement effects of lactoferrin were more apparent at lower, therapeutically relevant concentrations of diphenhydramine (Figure 8E). ”

          Last paragraph before 4.

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          red edwards

          I think we are talking past each other. You are looking at the Spanish nursing home use, I am looking at the UF antihistamine/lactoferrin study. Both are looking at the same elephant, just different parts of it. . . I expect that either antihistamine will have the same use and pathway.

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            It looks like many antihistamines are useful. I was just saying that Benadryl is not Polaramine. Zyrtek and Claratine also turned up in studies.

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    David Maddison

    Notice how none of the Leftists on this blog contribute to this or similar threads?

    They are utterly terrified of new or alternate ideas or any suggestion that there might be treatments outside the standard Government and Big Pharma covid doctrine. They have no interest in exploring new ideas whatsoever. That’s also why societies always stagnate under socialism.

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      Lance

      Totalitarianism rewards conformity, not inquiry or discussion.

      Control of behaviour, liberties, etc, is a reaction to fear. The greater the fear of loss of control, the greater the exercise of control. Classical OCD behaviour.

      It is not surprising that those who embrace fear and control have no interest in free discussion, as that would be antithetical to their ideology.

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      Ian

      “Notice how none of the Leftists on this blog contribute to this or similar threads?”

      Perhaps they are aghast at the unthinking response by many that every time a “New treatment” is mentioned it is the “New” wonder preventative /cure/treatment for Covid-19.

      Vit D, Zinc, HCQ, Ivermectin, anti-histamines, hydrogen peroxide, salt water, volcanic ash, using coloured handkerchiefs or tissues to cough/sneeze into, using white handkerchiefs or tissues to cough/sneeze into. USB drives, chloroform, methanol, cannabis, cocaine, colloidal silver, cow urine, cow dung and many many more.

      Perhaps they understand that the effects of many these agents have still not been critically evaluated by well conducted trials.

      Or, more probably, perhaps it is because Leftists understand that science and politics are best kept apart That is something Trump never did understand and many Rightists have unfortunately followed in his footsteps.

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        clarence.t

        Proven effects of Vit D, Zinc, HCQ, Ivermectin, anti-histamines.

        Very disingenuous to attempt to lump them in with the other things.

        Show us the trial data on the vaccines… in 75 years. !!

        Leftists most often do not understand the science, they just ignore it.

        Climate science is all politics, zero science… yes, they do try to keep the science out of it as much as possible, because they know they have none.

        Its also beginning to look like the science is very much against these pseudo/clayton’s-vaccines.

        But leftists will still just “believe” unthinkingly, because that is what they need to do, and all they are capable of doing..

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          Ian, so lets talk about the lack of results in large well controlled studies. You know as well as I do, that the large controlled studies are just never done.

          Why is that Ian? Isn’t it in the interests of our government funded universities to research the kind of cheap treatments that would save lives and money faster than anything else?

          I don’t see you campaigning for that, or even caring. But isn’t it a major failure of universities? Indeed, isn’t it a reason to say the taxpayer should not bother funding them.

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        Kalm Keith

        Left.
        Right.
        Left.
        Right
        Left,
        Bizarre.

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        John+R+Smith

        And never miss an opportunity to widen eyes, turn red, foam at the mouth and screech, “Trump”.
        The real estate magnate living rent free in your head.

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        paul courtney

        Mr. Ian: So lefties aghast at our comments are driven away?! I observe otherwise.
        Let’s test your theory: I say covid is not a public health emergency and the government should stay the hell out.
        I also observe that gaslighting lefties like yourself bring out some of the best. But the idea that an aghast lefty keeps quiet is pretty funny, thanks for the laugh.

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          Simon

          Fortunately most of the world agrees that COVID is a public health emergency that requires a coordinated response. Left and right has nothing to do with it, they are just directions.

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            paul courtney

            Mr. Simon: Thanks for proving me right, lefty. The “coordinated response” is failing badly, and Dr. Fauci’s isn’t stopping the spread. What does most of the world think we should do? You speak as an authority on what most think, please tell us the consensus view. Be careful, though- if you question the “coordinated response”, you may get a “disinfo” tag.

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        OldOzzie

        because Leftists understand that science and politics are best kept apart That is something Trump never did understand and many Rightists have unfortunately followed in his footsteps.

        And you think the Senile, Dribbling Idiot ruining America is doing a Good Job?

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    Dave in the States

    Polaramine brings back memories. When I was a kid I carried it around because I was allergic to things like the chlorine in pool water. Polaramine will knock you right out into a deep sleep, when you wake up, you will be parched. You will want to drink a quart of orange juice or something.

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    Mike Jonas

    The study period runs from the beginning of March to the end of June 2020. The paper was published in April 2021. So there has been a lot of time to investigate the results and to set up new trials, proper studies, etc. My own view is that the “gold standard” of double-blind tests has been dishonestly used to prevent progress, given that we have effectively had an emergency situation since the initial onset of the virus and different standards are appropriate in an emergency.

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      clarence.t

      “different standards are appropriate in an emergency.”

      Standards that were only applied to big phama’s jabs…

      .. which have now utterly failed all standards for efficacy and safety.

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    Climate Heretic

    Joanne

    COVID-19 early treatment: real-time analysis of 1,204 studies

    https://c19early.com/

    Regards
    Climate Heretic

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    Two common compounds show effectiveness against COVID-19 virus in early testing

    A pair of over-the-counter compounds has been found in preliminary tests to inhibit the virus that causes COVID-19, University of Florida Health researchers have found.

    The combination includes diphenhydramine, an antihistamine used for allergy symptoms. When paired with lactoferrin, a protein found in cow and human milk, the compounds were found to hinder the SARS-CoV-2 virus during tests in monkey cells and human lung cells.

    Diphenhydramine is a first generation antihistamin, better no car driving !

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    Morphological cell profiling of SARS-CoV-2 infection identifies drug repurposing candidates for COVID-19

    The global spread of the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), and the associated disease COVID-19, requires therapeutic interventions that can be rapidly identified and translated to clinical care. Traditional drug discovery methods have a >90% failure rate and can take 10 to 15 y from target identification to clinical use. In contrast, drug repurposing can significantly accelerate translation. We developed a quantitative high-throughput screen to identify efficacious agents against SARS-CoV-2. From a library of 1,425 US Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved compounds and clinical candidates, we identified 17 hits that inhibited SARS-CoV-2 infection and analyzed their antiviral activity across multiple cell lines, including lymph node carcinoma of the prostate (LNCaP) cells and a physiologically relevant model of alveolar epithelial type 2 cells (iAEC2s). Additionally, we found that inhibitors of the Ras/Raf/MEK/ERK signaling pathway exacerbate SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro. Notably, we discovered that lactoferrin, a glycoprotein found in secretory fluids including mammalian milk, inhibits SARS-CoV-2 infection in the nanomolar range in all cell models with multiple modes of action, including blockage of virus attachment to cellular heparan sulfate and enhancement of interferon responses. Given its safety profile, lactoferrin is a readily translatable therapeutic option for the management of COVID-19.

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    John R Walker

    Levofloxacin – are you kidding?

    Levofloxacin – the fluoroquinolones appear to be one of the most dangerous anti-bacterials ever to get past the regulators! Ciprofloxacin is arguably the most dangerous with its skewed towards Gram -ve and aerobic sensitivity spectrum in vivo – it put me on my back for 2 months and nearly killed me in 1989 – but they all have massive problems including putting strand breaks in human DNA at therapeutic doses along with tendonitis, tendonopathy, generating cytokine-storm, organ damage, and sometimes death. The evidence says physicians are not linking the adverse effects to the fluoroquinolones and most go un-reported. Sound familiar? There are numerous victims out there suffering other so-far unexplained long-term life-limiting debitating conditions. We’ve been dubbed ‘floxies’.

    Levo cost a friend of mine both her Achilles tendons and turned a beautiful active 50 year old woman into a dependant disabled wreck. After several failed attempts to re-attach the tendons she committed suicide.

    There have been several sub-optimal investigations over the years – US Congressional after strange outcomes when Cipro was used during their anthrax release up to the latest which I believe is the EMA PRAC investigation in 2018 which recommended putting severe limitations on their use and only after sensitivity testing. Having viewed and read all the evidence they took I have to say they could have made a more thorough job of it but, at least, their recommendations are better than nothing albeit 30 years too late for some.

    https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/fluoroquinolone-quinolone-antibiotics-prac-recommends-new-restrictions-use-following-review

    Fluoroquinolones and steroids are also contra-indicated.

    SARS2 has generated some incredibly dangerous medical practices. Some seem to be more dangerous than the virus. Much of it goes back to pharma and their failure to provide accurate information about efficacy and safety. ‘Safe and effective’ can often mean ‘be afraid, be very afraid’!

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      Greg in NZ

      Knew it! When the phrase ‘moving forward‘ became standard bureaucrat-speak turn-of-the-tongue, I knew we were heading backwards to the Dark Ages. Ignorance is Strength comrades.

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    ozfred

    Another OTC product may also fit the “definition”
    Two recent large studies in the UK have shown that inhaled budesonide, given early during COVID infection, reduced the time that people had symptoms and also prevented clinical worsening that required hospitalisation.
    The primary ingredient in Rhinocort….

    https://www.nationalasthma.org.au/news/2021/asthma-drug-promising-as-possible-covid-treatment

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    JB

    My personal protocol through this whole thing has been breathing steam from a pot of water simmering on my stove and an ionizer in my bedroom. If I felt I needed anything medicinal, it was a fabulous elderberry syrup made locally.

    I felt not quite 100% for 2 – 3 days back in April of 2020, a day and a half of not feeling 100% in February this year (which turned out to be entirely the result of something which was causing me anxiety), and 8 hours of not feeling great one day at the end of the summer. (That last occasion, I sat outside all day with a book, got some sun, and breathed fresh air into my lungs all day. By 4 in the afternoon, I felt fine again.)

    If my doctor-Dad was still around, he would’ve had me gargling with hot salt water on top of breathing the steam (as we did from a big glass jar vaporizer when I was a kid).

    I bet the biggest help in the Spanish protocols was the nasal washes. The virus is most likely to be breathed in through your nose or mouth, at which point, unless you’re brain-dead, you should feel an itchy nose or a scratchy throat. That’s when you want to take the bull by the horns. And it doesn’t take much to assist all the mucosal tissue that is your first line of immune system defense. Rinsing itchy eyes with a saline solution is also a good thing to do.

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    JB

    What was the first thing they told us to do? Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands…

    Well, as I said above, all of the mucosal tissue that is your first line of immune system defense can be washed, too! I bet they added drugs to the nasal washes just so that they could charge money.

    And remember, just about anything that you reach for, over-the-counter, is going to suppress your immune system.

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    Vicki

    Thanks for this post Jo. I think it is very important information, particularly in view of the remarkable results of Dr Shankara Chetty with anti histamines. The cortisone may be difficult to obtain, & similarly the antiobiotics now that GPs are so reticent to prescribe anything for Covid. If you have in date supplies – great.

    The other vital, simple medication not mentioned in the Spanish info is Aspirin. Dr. Chetty used it, as does Dr. Malcolm Kendrick who has treated so many Covid patients. It is important for treatment for the dreaded cytokine storm that affects some people late in the course of the virus. It is a very effective anti-inflammatory.

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      BTW Some asthma inhaling devices contain corticosteroids &, I think, can be bought over the counter. Anti-histamines, of course, are easily obtained – though Dr. Chetty’s recommendation was not familiar to me.

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        Vicki, the best asthma meds contain Budesonide. AKA simbacort and Turbihaler. Doctors are happy to prescribe these for anyone with asthma it appears these days. Good preventers. If you have heath insurance in Australia with any “extras” for pharmaceutical care I recommend the Turbihaler which can cost slightly over the magic $41.30 PBS limit. For some reason health funds may cover that. Simbacort is split into two inhalers which cost $21 each and they won’t be covered. Go figure.

        Early treatment with Budenoside = 90% improvement.

        https://joannenova.com.au/2021/02/asthma-drug-budesonide-reduces-covid-hospitalization-rate-dramatically/

        Though to keep some perspective, out of about 140 people enrolled, 70 got the drug and 70 got the placebo, with 10 of the placebo group going to hospital and only 1 in the Budesonide group.

        As for aspirin, I looked into it but was unimpressed, but perhaps there is a better study and I missed it? Keen to know.

        See OxFred’s comment at #23!

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          Vicki

          Thanks for that Jo. Yes – I discovered an inhaler we had with Budesonide – the Turbiinhaler – but was out of date! Even so, would have given it a go if the other had not worked.

          The Aspirin factor is one that many of the frontline guys have recommended ( eg Dr Malcolm Kendrick)From memory, it was used by Dr Chetty along with the anti histamines. My husband and I already take anti histamines daily – not just as a prophylactic but because we live on a farm for part of our life! Aspirin is, not surprisingly, useful in preventing the blood clotting associated with Covid latest age. It beats me why GPs don’t prescribe it for those who test positive & are confined at home in isolation. There have been many cases of people dying suddenly in their homes ( on the 8th day?) which may very likely have been from clotting & myocarditis. Cardia , low dose aspirin is taken daily by lots of older people but I think higher dose advisable in the case of symptoms.

          Incidentally, I think that FLCCC might add aspirin to the protocol but will check.

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            Vicki

            BTW we had minor worry with husband recently. He contracted a “cold” ( in spite of our very good prophylactic protocol) from a friend. Rapid Antigen tests proved negative. Nevertheless one night he began to have “tightening in his chest” – we combined treatment of aspirin & his asthma inhaler every 4 hours. Within 24 hours he was back to normal. We live part of our life on a farm & hospital is about 45 minute journey away & no ER out of hours – so improvisation at times is necessary. I am not a medical doctor but it was an interesting response.

            Of course, I had mowed our house grounds that afternoon – so could have been an allergic response. But since he regularly slashes the paddocks with no ill effects (also takes those anti histamines) – that is unlikely.

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    Murray Shaw

    Have been using a garlic and horseradish tablet every day and have not had a cold or flue, (or Covid) in the so long I cannot remember.
    Works for me!

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