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Asthma drug Budesonide reduces Covid hospitalization rate dramatically


The STOIC study gave an asthma drug to Covid patients, but it worked so astonishingly well, they had to stop the trial early, as it was unfair to keep giving the placebo to people who were ending up in hospital ten times as often as people who got Budesonide.

“We were hoping for 50% reduction [in severity]. We got 90%, which … is off the charts”

–h/t Eric W at WUWT

Though to keep some perspective, out of about 140 people enrolled, 70 got the drug and 70 got the placebo, with 10 of the placebo group going to hospital and only 1 in the Budesonide group.

You’ll be shocked to know that giving the drug early works better than waiting for the virus to replicate wildly. You’ll also be shocked that there were some doctors using this 7 or more months ago, and yet the media didn’t mention it Apart from Newsmax. (Eg See Dr Richard Bartlett talk about this back in July last year, who talks of using a nebulizer, not an inhaler.  )

Common asthma drug slashes Covid hospitalisation by 90%, experts say

Vanessa Chambers, The Sun

A COMMON asthma drug slashes the likelihood a

coronavirus, SARS Cov-2

Image: by Felipe Esquivel Reed

Covid patient will need to go to hospitalisation by 90 per cent, experts say. Budesonide, which is sold as Pulmicort, also shortens recovery times from the infection, according to new research. The steroid is typically given to people with asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) and is sold under the name Pulmicort.

Essentially, people noticed that asthma and COPD patients were not ending up in hospital in Wuhan as often as we’d expect. This was not like past pandemics — Eg in H1N1 influenza. One of the common things about asthma and COPD is that patients often use some form of oral cortiocosteroid. The big question is why-o-why did it take a whole year to do a small study like this one?

The main manufacturer of Budesonide is AstraZeneca which has also invested millions in making a vaccine. Could that have something to do with it? Notably, the researchers mention how significant this discovery might be for “low and middle income countries”. In wealthy countries it apparently is merely an “adjunct” until “widespread vaccination can be achieved.” Don’t hurt the cash cow, eh?

An asthma drug with 90% efficacy would be as good as best vaccines and may also create immunity to some extent.  Though it may not last long. (Neither might the vaccine generated immunity).

The treatment group had slightly less fever and got well slightly faster. Treated people were less likely to still be sick on Day 14 or 28. So this should help reduce long covid too.

From the discussion in the paper:

1. Glucocortiocoids are widely used, cheap and safe:

,….inhaled glucocorticoids are among the most prescribed medicine of any class around the world, listed by the World Health Organisation (WHO) of essential medicines25.

2. We’ve known for a long time that this drug helps reduce the effect of viral infections on asthma:

Moreover, evidence of the utility of inhaled glucocorticoids, in reducing viral exacerbations of asthma have been known for many decades9 , whilst specifically, inhaled budesonide has shown effect at reducing rhinovirus replication in-vitro26. The efficacy of Dexamethasone in RECOVERY17, for severe disease also supports our findings, whilst there is plausibility that the immune-modulatory effect of inhaled glucocorticoids27, may also apply to any future viral epidemics.

3. This is more than just an anti-inflammatory response:

In our study, we found that inhaled budesonide also demonstrated benefit in the secondary outcomes, with quicker symptom resolution in those treated with budesonide either measured using a selfreport of symptom recovery, or defined as normalisation of prospectively collected symptom scores measured using the FluPRO®13 or the CCQ12. The positive impact on temperature when used to treat early COVID-19 is further evidence that inhaled budesonide is modifying the disease process.

4. It may help with long covid — and 1 in 5 infections in the UK are still suffering symptoms five weeks later:

Of note, there was a significantly greater population of participants randomised to budesonide who were free of symptoms at 28 days compared to participants randomized to usual care. In the United Kingdom, up to 20% of patients28 report persistent symptoms 5 weeks after COVID-19. This interesting finding, also suggests that intervention with an inhaled glucocorticoids might impact on rate of the persistent long-term symptoms in COVID-19 (“long COVID”); and should be investigated further in view of the significant longterm health and economic impact of long COVID.

For those wondering, Budenoside is very similar to Flixotide (a preventer for asthma) but they are not identical.

h/t Anton, New Chum, PhilF (x 3), Eric W, RicDre, Old Ozzie

REFERENCE

Ramakrishnan et al (2021Inhaled budesonide in the treatment of early COVID-19 illness: a randomised controlled trial, doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.02.04.21251134

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97 comments to Asthma drug Budesonide reduces Covid hospitalization rate dramatically

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    NoFixedAddress

    It is good stuff for COPD and I’m already in the process of changing over to the nebulizer offering.

    mims – https://www.mims.com/ is a good source of country specific information

    cross posted at https://freedomaustralia.freeforums.net/thread/862/asthma-budesonide-reduces-covid-hospitalization

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      Simon

      Unfortunately, nebulisers happen to be a very efficient means of spreading the COVID-19 virus.

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        Analitik

        If it stops CoViD from advancing, then it won’t spread it

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        David Maddison

        Simon, that’s what the Victorian Government claimed but is there any evidence that that claim is true? The Victorian Government is the least honest of all Australian Governments and that’s saying something!

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        Klem

        “Unfortunately, nebulisers happen to be a very efficient means of spreading the COVID-19 virus”

        There are a lot of people in the world who would say there’s nothing unfortunate about that at all.

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        This is not true. A nebulizer does nothing. Think about it

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          Sceptical Sam

          Another drive by shot from the resident hit man.

          Give us your thesis or else put a sock in it.

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            A nebulizer is breathed in. Any vapour that touches a surface stays in the airways. Any that comes out as a vapour does not touch a surface. Ergo, no virus.

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              markx

              Gee Aye; “A nebulizer is breathed in. Any vapour that touches a surface stays in the airways. Any that comes out as a vapour does not touch a surface.”

              Perhaps not so:

              Dr Duke said the whole point of a nebuliser was to deliver as many aerosol droplets to the lungs as possible.

              “The problem with nebulisers is that they … are purposefully designed to produce thousands of times more aerosol than natural breathing,” he said.

              “When someone inhales a nebuliser mist, it goes into their lungs and then they breathe a lot of it back out again.

              “A substantial portion of that aerosol has been in contact with the person’s upper airway.

              “If the person is shedding a lot of virus, there is likely to be a h

              igh chance a lot of those virus particles will hitch a ride on those aerosol droplets.”

              https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-11/how-a-nebuliser-produces-droplets-covid-19-can-hitch-a-ride-on/13140554

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              Sceptical Sam

              Clearly you don’t understand the basic concept of pressure differences.

              Nebulizers utilize compressed gas (for example air). Sometimes they’re connected to a compressor, sometimes to a bottle of compressed O2 or similar. That compressed air increases the air pressure in the room in which the nebulizer operates. In a hotel situation that increased pressure forces air from the room into the corridor, where the pressure is lower.

              Any infected person’s viral load floats in the air after they breathe out from the nebulizer, and that travels into the corridor.

              So Dan, one of China’s many running dogs, puts a security person in the corridor without an N95 mask. That person is a prime candidate to breathe in the virus.

              Dan doesn’t give a red rat’s Renminbi about that.

              And, it would seem that his medical brains-trust doesn’t have an analytical neurone between them either.

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              OriginalSteve

              I dont know that much about nebulizers, but it just makes sense that anything you inhale from then exhale potentially into, could carry a virus and transfer it between uses.

              Get enough prople to use it and…hey…virus soup….

              Its not rocket science…kund if like sharing used tissues.

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                OriginalSteve

                Thinking about it…hey whats a really easy way to kick off theft of freedoms again…hey lets share around a spit filled nebulizer….

                Was it deliberate? No one is that dumb – surely?

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          Nadia bin Du Natan

          Nebulisers can also be a way to deliver anti-viral agents to the lungs.

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          Ted1

          Does nothing till you use it.

          Then, if shared, it might aid transmission. Also might spread infection in the environs.

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        John PAK

        If I was at the point of using a nebuliser
        1) I’d be using 0.1% Hydrogen peroxide and
        2) I’d be in self isolation anyway.
        As regards corticosteroids, – they are a great option for short-term use against inflammatory respiratory diseases according to my R.N. wife.

        Basically, we’re being lied to by the globalist run medical paradigm.

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        Tel

        Unfortunately, nebulisers happen to be a very efficient means of spreading the COVID-19 virus.

        A lot of the problem with Western hospitals treating respiratory disease is that we do not have individually isolated rooms with negative air pressure and exhaust air scrubbers. In Wuhan China this was the very first response of the authorities, to ensure every sick individual was isolated from everyone else, including the air supply. That means the Chinese knew this virus was spread by aerosol means, and they knew this in Jan 2020 or possibly earlier.

        Meanwhile what the hospitals in New York did was put everyone in one big room … even people who only had a handful of flu-like symptoms and probably were COVID negative, until they breathed deeply in that big room … after which they were COVID positive.

        Getting to the nebulizer question … if each patient is individually isolated then it doesn’t matter. If they are not individually isolated then you have plenty of problems anyway simply from normal exhalation.

        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Budesonide_and_formoterol_inhaler.jpg

        There happen to be inhalers based on a powder formulation, which avoids the problem of water droplets, but does nothing to assist with the problem of normal exhalation. Personally I would say the power design is an excellent delivery system.

        What bothers me is that even the US Navy hospital ships are not well equipped to handle the style of individual isolation required to deal with contagious respiratory disease patients. Let’s presume the best in people and say that COVID was entirely a natural virus that happened along quite by accident. Now that all countries have seen the damage this can do (mostly self-inflicted but real enough) … you can be sure that has got some cogs turning upstairs thinking about next round.

        And there will be a next round, you know that don’t you?

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        Andrew

        I call BS on that.

        Speed of aerosols from nebuliser? Speed of a sneeze?

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    The Dread Covid Pandemic,is full of these little details.
    Almost as if a very incompetent bunch of rent seekers,were asked to do their jobs,so they panicked.
    The minimum expectation of funding Public Health Authorities,is that we might get good advice on threats to our health.

    So how is that working out?
    The last 12 months have been a true education.
    None of these “Good Enough for Government” agencies are worth their cost.
    And the harm they have done our wealth,liberty and health is near incalculable.

    Parasitic Overload.
    These serve to enrich the bureaus and crush the taxpayer.
    But remember,”We are all in this together”

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      Hanrahan

      We have lived with corona viruses forever. Suddenly these Public Health Authorities are being dragged, screaming and kicking, into the 21st century, forced to look for treatments.

      Waddayano, they have been there all along, under their noses. Guvmint funds health but they allow Big Pharma to dictate where the money goes, as a result legacy drugs, diets or supplements are never trialled. The only interest is the next silver bullet drug they can patent.

      I get the impression that the drug companies are worried, worried that it is becoming increasingly hard to find that wonder drug, all the low hanging fruit has been picked. Taking Alzheimers as an example, they are spending millions with little or no result and I have heard experts say it will never be cured with a single pill, that a holistic approach which will prevent it is all we can hope for near term. Drug companies have zero interest in wellness, just sickness.

      BTW I believe strict diets can help improve cancer treatment but diet is skimmed over at med school.

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        Lawrie

        I heard once that medical students spend 8 hours on nutrition. Like telling a mechanic to ignore fuel. A doctor told me that taking a mineral supplement was a waste of money. He said that all the necessary minerals were in our food. I pointed out that as a farmer I knew minerals were depleted from soils with each harvest. Eventually the soil is completely depleted and crops survive on addition of NPK. He had no idea. I sometimes think the best health advice comes from the chemist.

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          RooDog

          A GP I once had told me that as far as dietary advice was concerned that your GP was the second worst to consult, and a nutritionist the worst.

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      Serp

      Not only have we discovered those governing us are a sham but that we are too trussed up legislatively to do anything to rectify circumstances. Apropos of this conundrum of governance it was gratifying to see that Governor Newsom now faces a recall election. If only such a provision had been written into Victoria’s dodgy 1975 Constitution Act.

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      John
      I am in total agreement and past anger about Dr Young here in QLD or Sutton in VIC.

      We are relying on the totally incompetent to provide advice. My 20 year old son, with no medical training whatsoever would run rings around these idiots. He would be a good choice, like probably many who follow this blog, because he asks questions and researches and listens and has very good commonsense.

      Dr Young has admitted to having panic attacks, and many of her utterances are absurd. And one has NEVER EVER heard any explanations of the latest research or an attempt to provide a full understanding – only hysteria and falsehoods, seemingly as though this “professional” is stuck in a March 2020 timewarp and has no idea that the extreme death estimates, which were acknowledged even then as incorrect, are not happening.

      This is the endpoint of a reliance on a disconnected Leftist educated “public service” who have no grip on reality and whose notion of science is only what they are told is politically correct not what has been proven via the scientific method.

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      Comment on Twitter by Steve McIntyreof ClimateAudit.

      19h
      in British Columbia in 2020, there were 1716 deaths due to drug overdoses (primarily young people) compared to 901 deaths due to COVID (primarily very elderly). Year-over-increase in drug deaths almost as high as all COVID deaths. Yet only COVID deaths “matter” to politicians.

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    Susan Fraser

    Thanks Jo for bringing us this very good news.

    Readily available inexpensive Meds, like Dr Stella Immanuel said, this Pandemic can be crushed in a very short time (find her video on citizenfreepress.com)

    I’m sending it to our Ministry of Health and News Channels.

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      Susan Fraser

      Because we know the sky is blue, we don’t say it! Sorry i forgot to give credit Jo, you have said from the beginning inexpensive readily available drugs/meds are the way through Covid19

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        John PAK

        Agreed, yet the Aussie Q & A show on Thursday night sounded like a vaccine propaganda show and it even said that HCQ had been proven time and again to be ineffective. This contradicts the studies by Dr Vladimir Zelenko and others in Morocco and Europe that say it is a highly effective early intervention if used with zinc sulphate and an antibiotic like azithromycin.

        The vast majority of folk I talk with are lost in a foggy mess of information and dis-information and they don’t have sufficient science grounding to sort out what is correct.

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    Roger Knights

    University of Oxford Does it Again! Now Showing that AstraZeneca’s Pulmicort [Budesonide] Reduces COVID-19 Hospitalization Rate by 90%
    By TrialSite Staff February 10, 2021

    The prestigious British institution also recently announced the planning of the PRINCIPLE trial as well—the study of ivermectin as yet another promising economical generic to treat COVID-19, at least at early onset. 

    For more see:
    https://trialsitenews.com/university-of-oxford-does-it-again-now-showing-that-astrazenecas-pulmicort-reduces-covid-19-hospitalization-rate-by-90/

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    Roger Knights

    Medical Trial: Cheap Asthma Inhalers 90% Reduction in Severe Covid Symptoms
    21 hours ago Eric Worrall 118 Comments
    Guest essay by Eric Worrall

    Queensland University and Oxford University Medical researchers investigating why asthma sufferers were “under-represented” in severe Covid cases have completed a clinical trial of Budesonide asthma inhalers. According to researchers the randomised trial was stopped early, because the results were so remarkable, the researchers did not believe it ethical to deny treatment to placebo patients.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/10/medical-trial-cheap-asthma-inhalers-90-reduction-in-severe-covid-symptoms/

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    David Maddison

    If it works it will likely be banned for C-19 treatment in Australia and other woke Leftist-oriented countries.

    Because the pandemic is not going to be allowed to end.

    It’s too useful for woke governments to enable the implementation of authoritarian controls over the people, including movement restrictions.

    For the Left, it’s much more effective at achieving their goal of destroying Western Civilisation than the anthropogenic global warming fraud was ever going to be.

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      PeterS

      Yes the pandemic has been successful where the CAGW scam has been stumbling but the two are now being merged into one by way of the Great Reset to speed up the demise of the West. The CAGW scam is now being revived and is being used to turbo-charge the process. The UK and Europe are talking about placing carbon tariffs on imports from countries like Australia who rely too much on coal and gas. Given they have the power to do it and if they do it would devastating to our economy, the solution is simple; build nuclear power stations like they have.

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        David Maddison

        It’s very unlikely that the Left will ever allow a nuclear power plant in Australia, even if a failure to build one results in the destruction of the economy. And what few genuine “conservatives” we have will chicken out because they are terrified of Leftist violence, including likely terrorism, if there is an attempt build one and are unprepared to do anything about it.

        Australia has had two attempts to build a nuclear power plant, one in Jervis Bay in NSW and for which foundations were actually poured. And talk of another at French Island in Vicdanistan.

        Both failed, even under nominally conservative governments.

        The reality is that Australia as a nation is simply not mature enough to do what they do in grown-up countries.

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          PeterS

          I understand all that but the reality is if we don’t start building nuclear power plants soon we will be ostracised from the rest of the world as the Great (misspelled as Greta) Reset unfolds, and suffer economically and perhaps even militarily for sticking our heads in the sand pretending the rest of the world can continue to use nuclear energy while we can’t. Virtually every other country of significance has taken the prudent step of including nuclear energy in their mix of energy needs. We are pretty much on our own and we will suffer for it thanks to the brain dead people of Australia, in particular the politicians in both major parties.

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            David Maddison

            PeterS, due to the Left’s assault on the education system over the last 50 or so years, a majority of Australians are indeed brain dead.

            As a simple test, just consider how stupid a person with the average IQ is. Now consider that about a half are dumber than that. (Apologies to George Carlin.)

            Plus those that aren’t completely stupid have been conditioned to accept dangerously bad government policy by all the “free stuff” offered to them by government at the expense of hard working people today and many decades into the future.

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          William Astley

          The fission power option has changed. Logically if fission power were as cheap as coal and did not have a very long list of serious safety issues, it would be the engineering best choice.

          Nuclear power does not work because it expensive and dangerous. This is not. This is a better option for many/most countries than natural gas.

          A Canadian/US Company have re-discovered the liquid nuclear reactor pot design. The design is expected to be installed at three sites and is currently under US nuclear regulatory review.

          The liquid pot, carbon core, liquid fuel reactor design is six times more fuel efficient, than a PWR, does not require a containment building, operates at atmospheric pressure, has no catastrophic failure modes…. Six times less transuranic waste.

          The design is mass produce able (it consists of a small reactor vessel that has a carbon core, six heat exchangers, and six small screw type pumps). It does not need a containment building, as it operates at atmospheric pressure and has no catastrophic vectors.

          It is safe because it does not have possible meltdown problems (fuel rods) or a loss of coolant problem. It is walk away safe as it has a backup cooling system that does require power.

          The reactor vessel is unbelievable small and light, as it operates at atmospheric pressure and produces heat at 600C. A Pressure water reactor is constructed of 10-inch-thick steel plate which requires very special equipment to bend and to weld and produces heat at 315C.

          Terrestrial Energy YouTube

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MIypP_uBSA

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            William
            The issue here is that this concept has not been commercialised. As an engineer who has had to actually develop equipment and food products I have lost count of the number of failures on “slam dunk” ideas

            This is not a slam dunk and whilst I truely believe it will work, and work well, once fully developed we are not there yet.

            Other nuclear generation is NOT as you claim dangerous, quite the opposite. It has a very low level of risk vs the other alternatives. It is available now and they are being constructed right now.

            My view is that the Govt needs to immediately remove any restrictions to nuclear power and divert the subsidies away from renewables. Instead the money should be used to research and develop the thorium reactors you refer to. A demonstration plant could be up and running within 5 years if people actually wanted to do something.

            But the issue here is that the govt has no foresight and due to a severe lack of engineers cannot see that the renewables storage issue will be insurmontable and that renewables are a complete mirage.

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      truth

      It’s hard to trust anything these days from the ‘authorities’.

      That’s the world they’ve ‘moulded’ in Fabian fashion…in order to herd us into their ‘great reset’.

      The few leaders we can trust have been relentlessly purged …and that’s what the dismembering of Trump and his supporters is all about IMO.

      As far as I’ve seen there’s still been no credible explanation of the use of a toxic dose of HCQ with no zinc in the Recovery Trial….in order…the suspicion persists… to discredit HCQ for the purposes of vaccine development…an understandable tactic maybe if thousands of people weren’t dying in the meantime…and no certainty then, by any means, that there would ever be a vaccine.

      I think a reasonable…or maybe jaundiced person might think the HCQ regime in the Recovery Trial was set up specifically to fail….

      We used not to think this way…but now…with the whole world awash with lies, indoctrination and deliberately-induced mass hysteria…there’s not much that’s too extreme to consider….even from the medical community.

      On Q&A last night ridicule and sneers were de rigueur at the mention of Craig Kelly ….HCQ denounced as useless…no therapeutic effect for COVID at all…and yet not one word about why the researchers and specialists around the world with greater professional experience and repute than they have …are wrong about HCQ and Ivermectin …and they are right.

      By the end of the show there was little consensus from them on the vaccines either …diametric opposition on Astra Zeneca from one of them….and that’s the vaccine most of us will get….despite that fact.

      We were told that company has almost no experience in developing vaccines …it’s a rank newcomer to that branch of research.

      The one thing we do know is that almost all of the people who are virtually telling us to shut up and take the vaccine are very happy that the China virus has rid them of Trump…their biggest stumbling block to forcing us into their ‘Great Reset’….. that will make China and its murderous Communist dictatorship …the dominant power in the world for the rest of our lives and those of our children.

      They know it’s weakened the Western democracies more comprehensively than even wars have managed to do…and that the debilitated state will last for years….and yet Xi was fawned over as their keynote speaker and most honored guest at Doha.

      And now with their groveling acceptance of the infallibility of the Wuhan Lab that has had more accidental leaks than any other in the world….with that … before we’re anywhere near over this disaster… China could comfortably …collegially… unleash much worse.

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        Serp

        The forty plus years of cultivation of populations to be prepared unwittingly to exterminate themselves is a resounding success.

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        Tarquin Wombat-Carruthers

        Just imagine if Barak Obama, rather than Donald Trump, had championed HCQ! He’d probably be good for at least one more Nobel Prize, or maybe one per year for the rest of his days!

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        Mike Jonas

        The founding fathers had a very good reason for making impeachment apply only to sitting presidents – the people decide who their next president will be. Disqualifying an opponent from standing for election is the sort of thing that Vladimir Putin does. In a democracy, virtually anyone can stand for election and the people decide. It is tempting to think that under president Biden, Anerica is no oonger a democracy.

        The contrast of Donald Trump with Barack Obama is frightening. Barack Obama was given a Nobel Prize before he had done anything. Donald Trump brokered several break-through Middle East peace treaties.

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    Alfred T Mahan

    Jo, I really doubt money has been an issue, tempting though a new conspiracy theory is – for the simple reason AstraZeneca are distributing their vaccine at cost. No profit= no incentive to do down alternatives, even in a cynical world.

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      RicDre

      “…AstraZeneca are distributing their vaccine at cost.”

      That’s a good point. Who determined what the cost was?

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        David Maddison

        If it is like most government contracts signed for by brain dead politicians and public serpents, 1) think up a ridiculously high price 2) multiply it by ten 3) get said politician or public serpent to sign on the dotted line.

        EXAMPLES
        A) In Vicdanistan the government (i.e. the taxpayer) paid $30 million for what was worth no more than $3 million of quarantine security, which in any case was utterly incompetently executed.

        B) In NSW the taxpayer paid $30 million for a strip of land next to the new airport which was valued at $3 million.

        This is not a mistake, curiously the numbers are the same in both cases.

        C) The submarine project. We are paying an obscene amount of money for obsolete submarines. The US Virginia class would be less than half the cost and ready to go. (That whole disaster is a thread in itself).

        D) NBN, NDIS, the list is endless.

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        It is a strange thing, here and at WUWT, sometimes when I upvote, the response counts as two, and occasionally three upvotes? Must be Dominion software.

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          David Maddison

          Perhaps there were additional votes between refresh cycles. The votes aren’t updated in real time.

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      Ross

      Sorry Alfred, big chemical or pharmaceutical companies don’t pursue projects at cost or no profit. I once worked for a multi national chem company. Believe me, they are rarely philanthropic unless there’s something behind the line. That is, the company may be receiving tax incentives, trading advantages, direct subsidies etc. Also, they will never truly reveal what is “cost”.

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        Richard Jenkins

        The biggest donor to the Asthma Foundation is Ventolin?
        Perhaps they have an interest in maintaining their interest.

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      truth

      Alfred…they still had to raise the money to develop the vaccine…and would maybe not have been able to …if we all knew there were therapeutics that could help instead.

      Knowing they would be distributing the vaccine at cost and that they had in their asthma drug an alternative revenue stream to the vaccine, to build their brand cover their loss…gets them …a new player…into the vaccine development business….wherein lies a massive future…and gives them a win-win situation that’s only detrimental to their competitors who need a return on their investment.

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    Touching very much on the corruption involved in pharmaceutical supply.

    Quid pro Joe comes through for all his pals.

    “We’ve all heard the saying – power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. It actually restates a more quintessential aspect of corruption itself – that’s to say, corruption corrupts those about it, but corruption at the very top corrupts all those below it. We’ve all seen the truth of both observations in business and personal life at one time or another. It ranges from management spotting there’s something not quite above board with their tendering process and firing the individual involved or further down the food chain, actually watching policemen eating for free at a diner or life will get a lot more difficult for the owner of the small business. I’ve personally seen examples of both those kinds of corruption.”

    Read more at – https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2021/02/11/quid-pro-joe-comes-through-for-all-his-pals/

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    MH

    The more I see this stuff about treatments and fake statistics around deaths the more convinced I am that this Vaccine is for depopulation purposes.

    The question is how will life look for those not taking the Vaccine when they start rolling it out here?

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      Klem

      They’ll be healthy, happy and carrying a forged Covid vaccine passport. I’ll be one of them.

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      John R Smith

      To me it reeked of political propaganda from the outset.
      I am stunned by the success of this obvious creation of mass hysteria.
      The more educated being the easiest to fool.
      (Wearing two masks? May Gaia help you.)
      Fortunately for elite, the working people weren’t so easily frightened and continued to produce and deliver food to their social betters.
      Maybe the Deplorable will stop being so cooperative.

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      That is some fear you have inside you. A global pandemic so that people get lethal injections. Why not just poison the water supply? Hold on, with the downturn in commercial airline flights, how are they distributing the airborne sedatives? I’m sure there is something on the internet about this.

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        Sceptical Sam

        If you’re sure, post the link.

        Otherwise put a sock in it.

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        Nadia bin Du Natan

        “Why not just poison the water supply? ” Thats been done already. Fluorine is one of the most destructive nerve toxins in the periodic table. Did you really think they would leave that stone unturned? Look you pillock, these guys are running this show and they are doing a better job than you ever could. So have some respect for their persistence, efforts, and the choices they make. They poison the water the food and they make pushing poison into your body, through a needle, a medical sacred cow. Before you criticise their efforts, try and consider how you could have waged war on us even better. Impossible. We are bankrupt, sick, relatively impoverished, made to be in fear all the time by way of a permanently weak labour market. We are made to believe junk physics and cosmology that is designed to be highly demoralising to the children. And all you can do is nitpick. Trying to say they could have easily done more harm.

        Backseat driver.

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    Steve of Cornubia

    We can expect a lot of this – existing treatments for other conditions, finally proving to help Covid patients. It’s an amazing coincidence that all this is happening now that Trump has been thrown out of office.

    Weird, isn’t it?

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      PeterS

      I understand you are being sarcastic but it does goes to show the globalists needed to get Trump our of the way so the West can be taken down, or in their words “re-educated”. The only reason why they are now trying to impeach him again is to make sure he can’t ever be POTUS again. Of course it’s unconstitutional but that doesn’t matter to them. They have been treating the US Constitution as nothing more than toilet paper for the past 4 years, and they will keep doing so.

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        Peter, indeed. I would only add that President Trump was a light on a hill of soverighn Independence from the One World GOVERNMENT crowd, not just for the U.S. but for many other nations.
        India for certain, even Mexico was turning into a Trump supporter, several eastern Europe nations that remembered the horrors of statist tyranny, Japan, and many other nations. They felt that the HAD to get rid of him.

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          PeterS

          The globalists are too powerful for one man. What I’m disappointed about, and I know others are too, is that Trump underestimated how organised their plan was to depose him, which started back as far as 2016 when Obama let out the message they were on the attack. He should have known better and be better prepared for the trap we thought he had set, which didn’t materialise in the end. Oh well, no one is perfect. Now the West will have to suffer and be destroyed by the globalists once the Great Reset is fully implemented very soon given no one is now in office to stop them. The NWO is actually already in place behind the scenes; it just hasn’t been fully exposed yet. Next on their agenda is to round up and “re-educate” all dissidents, as well as disarm the American people. It’s the only way for them to maintain their control long enough to complete their agenda to reshape the West completely.

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            truth

            Trump’s not superhuman and he would have had to be, to counter that juggernaut.

            Together with enough of the American people Trump could almost be, though…given time for many of the rest of the American people to regain their commonsense.

            I think that with Disney cancelling conservatives now…if he can afford it, he should build a humungous MAGAWORLD complex in Florida to keep MAGA….the main game… alive and front of centre in the minds and hearts of his present >75 million supporters…and their children.

            This is the moment!

            And I’d like to see him continue with the rallies once the impeachment garbage is over…so long as he still has secret service protection..which the criminal Biden wants to deprive him of.

            There are too many Americans and others around the world who want to hear from him…and have no one else to tell it like it is for them…for him to stop now.

            Western civilization and democracy depend on his values and ours prevailing over the creeping evil of totalitarianism.

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    John

    Wasn’t there a doctor in Texas who pushed hard for the use of Budesonide against covid-19? Of course if CDC said “no” his voice wouldn’t have been heard.

    I find it interesting that Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and Budesonide were all announced as effective oh … about 12 months ago … and only now is the medical establishment taking much notice.

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    Gary Simpson

    Wow, Mr. Zimmerman really nailed it in 1964 – amazingly prophetic! Read carefully.

    Come writers and critics who prophezise with your pen
    And keep your eyes wide, the chance won’t come again
    And don’t speak too soon for the wheel’s still in spin
    And there’s no tellin’ who that it’s namin’
    For the loser now will be later to win
    ‘Cause the times they are a’changin’

    Come senators, congressmen, please heed the call
    Don’t stand in the doorway, don’t block up the hall
    For he that gets hurt will be he who has stalled
    ‘Cause the battle outside ragin’
    Will soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
    For the times they are a’changin

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      truth

      Gary …

      Thank you for reminding us of just how wonderful and apt those lyrics are.

      And wonderful too that Dylan virtually gave the Far Left Nobel Committee the finger by refusing to go to Norway to collect.

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    OriginalSteve

    Excellent news…this deserves to be common knowledge…..

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    Ross

    This is all Dejavu. Its great that Jo has publicised the well known results with Budenoside because this has been all over Twitter etc for ages. But for those not on social media the positive effects are certainly proven. What annoys me the most is the “incuriosity” of the medical fraternity as to novel treatments for COVID19. First it was the “must go on a respirator” mantra, then the stupidity of lockdowns/face masks, now it’s the vaccine mantra. For all major diseases and eg. cancer the treatment approach has always multi-faceted. A safe and effective vaccine should have been a long term goal for Australia with interim treatment options of HCQ, Ivermectin, Zinc, Vitamin D, antibiotics combined with active quarantine for expats. Plus, where’s the public health policy on things like Vitamin D levels?

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      Serp

      Public health policy is yet to appear. But that’s no surprise in a country with no manufacturing policy and no energy policy. I suppose we have a defence policy…

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        Sceptical Sam

        I suppose we have a defence policy…

        Oh yes. We’ve one of those.

        We’re getting some $200 billion’s worth of submarines built by the frogs to a design that would have been cutting edge in 1938. Diesel subs were de rigueur in those daze. They’ll be here by 2030 +- 10.

        And we’re getting $17 billion worth of F-35s; an aircraft that can’t fly fast for very long.

        And, don’t forget, the brains-trust is looking to a $7 billion underwater surveillance network to detect submarines approaching our shores that’ll probably focus on the “choke points” around Indonesia and Papua New Guinea and the Malacca, Sunda, Lombok, Torres Straits, and the Solomon Sea. They might even stick a few in the Great Barrier Reef, if it hasn’t raised its white flag in surrender by then. That’d be the bleach defence? Those Crown of Thorns are a very invasive ally of Australia’s enemies.

        Fortunately, Canberra, the Nation’s capital, is 150 kilometres from the eastern seaboard. That kept the Russians out. It’s bound to work again. Proven defence always does. Doesn’t it?

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    Chris

    I watched the the interview with a doctor from Texas in April, he was putting people with severe Sars-Cov-2 on a hospital grade nebuliser for 5 minutes with Budesonide, he said a puffer was not strong enough and did not penetrate into the deepest parts of the lungs . Patients who could not get out of bed on a Friday returned to work on the Monday after being tested and completely clear of the virus. He noted that the Japanese used Budesosonide with great success , they have approximately half the population of America but less than 1% of the deaths. He had contacted the CDC and tried to contact Trump’s office, at the time he was optimistic but obviously nothing came from it.

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    David Maddison

    As I have said before, isn’t the reversal of the Left’s traditional attitude interesting?

    Prior to C-19 and President Trump, the Left hated Big Pharma and were all for more simple and/or natural and/or inexpensive remedies/treatments for medical conditions.

    HCQ, Ivermectin and Budesonide are examples of simple, cheap, safe remedies when used according to the correct protocols.

    Now they are the ones vigorously supporting Big Pharma and their expensive and possibly dangerous remedies and they specifically reject the simple, inexpensive and proven treatments.

    It’s just like they support the Socialist Billionaires. Before they wanted to tax them into poverty, now there is an unhealthy and dangerous alliance between them.

    Always remember, if it were not for the double standards of the Left they would have no standards whatsoever.

    Of course, it all makes sense when you realise the modern Left’s objective is total power and control for the Elites, supported by a slave army of useful idiots.

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    Leo Morgan

    As you do articles such as this, could you please incorporate an easy reference chart. I’d love to see a comparison of the effectiveness of the treatment with the other suggested treatments, eg HCL and Ivermectin as well as the available vaccines?
    Ideally including those additional points relevant to making a rational assessment, such as you did above with the study numbers. Preferably including method of administration.
    I realise it’s a big ask, but could it also link to the relevant articles? That would add to our credibility when spreading the word.

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      Chad

      Leo,
      Reading your post i get an image of you sat in a comfortable lounge chair , reading a entertaining book, with a drink and snacks close at hand, possibly some pleasant music softly playing in the background ?
      …Whilst you await for someone else to source and explain the information you would prefer to see. !
      Forgive me if i am mistaken .

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      truth

      HCQ….not HCL…which is hydrochloric acid.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      Why don’t you start by reading the reference at the top.

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    David Maddison

    ****BREAKING NEWS****

    Vicdanistan to go into “snap” lockdown from midnight tonight.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-victoria/13146258

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Many Australians are suspicious of these experimental ‘vaccines’ against WuFlu. Most of us sense that there’s something wrong. Most of us have valid reasons for not wanting to be ‘vaccinated’ such as that guinea pig feeling of being part of the biggest medical experiment of all time, Big Pharma’s indemnity from accountability, Big Government megabuck spending to sweet talk us into being vaxxed, the FUD of not knowing the future consequences of being treated with a ‘novel’ genetic medicine, the establishment does not know the future consequences either but they are still willing to gamble with our health.

    These genetic treatments are, by definition, not vaccines at all because they will not provide immunity to Corona viruses. They will, at best, reduce the chance of getting a severe case and will need updating each Corona season as with flu shots.

    The vaccines only approach by governments is counterproductive and is already causing resentment.
    Most people will participate with INformed consent where there is valid choice of effective treatments. CONformed consent with a ‘vaccine’ only model is totalitarian and will exacerbate the problem of controlling this latest Corona virus. Drug companies, like Astra-Zeneca (with Budesonide) would be smart to start hedging their bets by promoting the viable alternatives to their so called vaccines. In this regard,it is interesting to note that pharmaceutical enterprises like Ziverdo Kit Store in India are now doing a roaring trade in all the alternative medicines like HCQ, IVM, Azithromycine and others. Maybe it’s about time the Australian Government sent a team to India to learn how to effectively get WuFlu under real control. Afterall, to date, our response has been somewhat of a dark ages, ‘unclean, unclean’ destroy everytyhing approach.

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    RickWill

    If you reside in Victoria, don’t forget to get toilet paper before it all runs out!

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    graham dunton

    There is such a mishmash of information,the known suppressors of covid, but blocked from use Fauci’s involvement,now others have emerged. That early use against covid infection, would have provided some immunity. If people were taking medication as a preventative measure, what would that covid encounter produce?

    Vaccination as a precaution, as with the annual flue would be wise.
    The one vaccine in question,being, a product of the development in mRNA research

    The vaccine, Explaining – mRNA- Persistence Rewarded
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/10/mrna-persistance-rewarded/

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Off thread, if I may.
    In the past 2 days I read a lovely analogy for describing weaknesses in public policy formulations. Noe I cannot find it for future use.
    The guts of it was that the bull in the bull ring watches only the red cape, while the danger is with the man with the sword behind the cape.
    The quote I seek was part Spanish words like capa roja for red cape. I thought it was on Quadrant Online???

    Can anyone help me find it please?
    Thanks Geoff S

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      Nope, but I meself have written a post on same, ‘The Will to Believe and the Will to Deceive…Do not become embroiled with the matador’s red cape.’https://beththeserf.wordpress.com/2019/08/03/59th-edition-serf-under_ground-journal-2/

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    Bruce MacKinnon

    The steroid nebuliser goes right into the mouth, so no spread this way. I use one daily.

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