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Because there is so much to discuss…

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    Jojodogfacedboy(A Collateral Damage Victim by Progressive Policies)

    Help me, I falling and I can’t get up…
    Poor timing for PM Trudeau of Canada as this Afghanistan Crisis lays out and one of his Minister has called ‘The Taliban our Brothers’ in this Election and the veterans and Canadian Legion are furious as well as his popularity has tanked.

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      John F Hultquist

      Canada’s minister for women and gender equality referred to the Taliban as “our brothers” during a virtual news conference Wednesday morning.

      She should go there and embrace them, and explain to them how to behave.

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        ColA

        Canada’s minister for women and gender equality should go visit the Taliban, it is still quite warm over there this time of the year, short red dress and high heals should do the trick nicely!!

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        sophocles

        I can recommend listening to Pink Floyd’s The Wall, all 20-something tracks, as I accidently (they have brighter albums) have been this loverly gloomy afternoon — it’s sufficiently depressing to thoroughly stir one’s grey matter as the rain hoses down out there to add further to the gloom.

        I think we’re going through the fourth iteration of social lunacy since the start of the 20th century.

        I blame the nineteenth century and track 19 of the Floyd album 😀

        Lockdown depression must be taking effect… Auckland is going to get another two weeks at least.
        Somebody lost control:
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-traffic-one-dead-and-police-staff-member-fighting-for-life-after-upper-harbour-highway-crash/K3PR54DJOE3HBP4BWTM2EUSL74/

        Tragic. The speed camera probably didn’t feel a thing. That was just up the road a bit …

        What a way to spend the first days of spring…

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        Rick

        Tell her to make sure she packs a bikini, and should wear it at every opportunity.

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        Ronin

        Is she related to ‘Heels Up’ by any chance.

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      Dave in the States

      Trudeau announced yesterday that he has been consulting with Hillary Clinton on the fate of women in Afghanistan. This stuff can’t be made up.

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        TdeF

        Cher and Barbra Streisand would be as good. But why not Kamala Harris? Or is she on the other side of the planet inspecting gardens in Singapore?

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          Deano

          Didn’t Cher and Streisand leave the USA when Trump became Prez? They promised they would along with several other Hollywood dim-wits.

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        Lee

        Ah, yes, Hillary Clinton cares so much about women, she demonised a young rape victim when she was a lawyer many years ago.

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      Strop

      She did use the expression “our brothers” and as an isolated grab or quote it does sound all buddy buddy. But she said more in that statement which indicated she’s not condoning what they do and called on the Taliban to stop the violence, genocide, femicide, and destruction of infrastructure. Also to come to the peace negotiations and ensure women’s and minorities’ voices are part of the discussion.
      When asked to claify whether saying “our brothers” meant the govt was softening its position on the Taliban she replied, “Hardly. The Taliban are a terrorist group ….” “We do not support the Taliban and are horrified the hard one gains of the last twenty years are at stake … ”

      I’m no fan of the Trudeau govt but I think the reaction to her comment is an overreaction.

      I doubt her portfolio is that compatible with the Taliban.

      Judge for yourself.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftJnc4disx8

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      dinn, rob

      Haqqani in charge of Kabul security; IMF loans Belarus $1 billion https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/08/haqqani-in-charge-of-kabul-security-imf.html

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    skeptikal

    Climate Change activists will be dancing with joy at the arrival of Hurricane Ida. It will be absolute proof that the world is about to end. It will be marketed as the ‘Hurricane From Hell’ and the media will roll out their so-called experts, who will all claim that this storm could never have been so ferocious without global warming.

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      Scissor

      Someone said they just saw a guy juggling while riding a unicycle down Bourbon Street in New Orleans. I just saw a guy texting in the middle of the street and taking his own sweet time about it. Maybe they’re in the eye.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ziciboPx7w

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      Klem

      The Leftist MSM can’t wait for this hurricane to arrive and the more destructive it is the better. News outlets will use it as a distraction from Afghanistan, this will give Biden a break. Just watch.

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        Chris

        From today’s edition of the Epoch Times.
        Louisiana Governor: ” Modelling Shows New Orleans Levee System Will Withstand Hurricane Ida”

        – smaller but stronger than Katrina

        “Hurricane Ida Ravaging ( Southern) Louisiana with Catastrophic Winds as 450,000 Lose Power”

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      David Wojick

      For sure! We are in the countdown to COP26 with just over 60 days to go. Got a hurricane to go with the wildfires.

      But I love the hype because it make the almost certain failure of COP26 that much bigger.

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      Vlad the Impaler

      Just say one word to anyone who makes that claim: Camille.

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      Hanrahan

      According to windy.com the eye has just made landfall and already the severity of the wind is dropping.

      I was watching it last night while waiting for F1 to start [it didn’t] and the winds they indicated were never as high as WXcycles was quoting. As usual much fear porn bandied about.

      It may be that the storm surge will do a lot of damage though.

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      TdeF

      Hurricanes have no known natural cause. What explanation is there except Climate Change?

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        TdeF

        Bang on time.

        “What months are the worst for hurricanes?

        On a worldwide scale, May is the least active month, while September is the most active. In the Northern Atlantic Ocean, a distinct hurricane season occurs from June 1 to November 30, sharply peaking from late August through September;
        the season’s climatological peak of activity occurs around September 10 each season.”

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        Ronin

        I was in Texas back in late April 2000 and went over to Galveston and walked along the seawall to a concrete groyne witch jutted out into the water about 50 ft, put my hand in the water and it felt like bathwater, about 30 deg c, no wonder they get cyclones there.

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        sophocles

        Hurricanes have no known natural cause. What explanation is there except Climate Change?

        I would venture: The Sun.

        Given the weakening planetary magnetic field, it will be interesting to see if there is any variation in quantity and “quality” (strength), over this and future years as the GSM (Grand Solar Minimum) progresses.

        This paper does not explicitly state any cause but it does promote a lot of influence(s) are from our friendly little star — it points a fairly solid finger.
        https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5c63/e23076372e7c9ac088c72e62b78f53ebee45.pdf

        I have not been able to acquire copies of the papers referenced in the Introduction (Wilcox &c). Some assistance I would be very grateful for.

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          sophocles

          The coffee crop in southern Brazil has been being hammered yet again (or still) by the cold waves sweeping up South America. If you like your coffee, the rest of this year (while it’s still plentiful) might just be a good time to stock up. Next year it will be pricy and may be scarce (which will nake it pricier still).

          Good luck.

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      David Maddison

      They will blame President Trump for the hurricane.

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      Deano

      Remember that in a previous man-on-the-spot report from a hurricane location by The Weather Channel, a reporter was trying to stand upright against the incredible howling gusts of nature’s fury. It was all looking very dramatic until two guys walk into shot behind him just casually strolling along. Opps!

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    tonyb

    The UK’s biggest selling newspaper is at last kicking back with a new dashboard showing causes of death.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9935663/Is-time-stop-obsessing-Covid-figures-Statistics-reveal-coronavirus-NOT-biggest-killer.html

    For a brief period last year it was the virus, but other causes normally dwarf the virus deaths, not that you would know it from all the hysteria.

    Prior to 2009 every year back to the 1840’s had more deaths than 2020 so we have lost our perspective.

    This is the figure for July, the position will change in August as cases and deaths have risen but now seem to have stabilised

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      PeterS

      Well who would have ever thought? What about the higher suicide rate? What about the extra deaths caused by delaying or cancelling appointments for major tests in hospital? What about the deaths as a result of the vaccines themselves, which by the way is so far at a total of 462 suspected and confirmed deaths here in Australia up to 16/08/2021?

      More importantly, what about the fact that COVID positive tests are not all true simply because the test itself is officially not worth a cracker since it doesn’t test for any specific virus at all, just a COVID fragment which could be as a result of a dead virus, flu or otherwise? I wonder why we are not being told all these truths by the MSM and politicians. Oh yes, “they are all in it together”.

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        Graeme No.3

        Yes, and we know what it is ‘we are in’.

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          PeterS

          Yes and it’s already starting to smell very badly. A lot of people still can’t smell it because they have lost much of their sense of smell for whatever reason.

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        Broadie

        In Emergency at the Local Hospital last night. A poor Bastard sitting with his wife waiting for some relief from the headache he has had since he had the ‘Clot Shot’. He is being driven crazy by shingles as well.

        Mate’s Mother, one of the first to be vaccinated, suffered terribly from shingles. Still not her old self.

        Fruit shop’s sister in law in New Caledonia. Collapsed after injection. Taken home and still cannot walk.

        Mum’s neighbour, nice bloke double vaccinated and now having short term memory loss issues. Busy looking for the battery for his hedge trimmer for the last 2 days.

        These are some of the anecdotal cases I am hearing about. The Therapeutic Goods Administration (DAEN) reporting shows a much worse situation when you are able to get past the time out. Plug in ‘Cardiac Arrest’, ‘Unresponsive to Stimuli’, ‘Cerebrovascular accident’ or ‘Adverse event following immunization’ for these mRNA shots. These are not the 6 or 7 people with TTS the TGA is discussing in their weekly report. For some reason TTS singled out from the ~472 deaths and some 52,000 adverse events that were ‘expected’. This is a symptom of the ‘Vaccine’ by their expert opinion, whereas anyone with a runny nose / lose of smell / cough / shortness of breath / etc. is evidence of a death from the SARS-Cov-2 pandemic.

        Why are the Medical Profession allowing this to happen?

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          OriginalSteve

          The gist of a podcast I heard a well educated and street smart nurse talking…apparently within hospitals and the medical profession, people know, but are basically too frightened to speak up.

          People have to start thinking differently to put the whole puzzle together.

          What they are doing makes no sense….unless…your plan is to basically trash peoples immune function , globally.

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            Ronin

            It’s hard to believe they could be sacked for speaking out, but they are the ones working for the govt I spose.

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          PeterS

          What needs to be understood is most people who take the vaccines suffer little or no ill effects. I know that to be a fact since I know enough people who have taken them. One of my sons did and he is fine. However, the longer term effects are unknown and that could change everything. For now we know there are a small percentage of people who do suffer very severe ill effects very rapidly after taking the shots. Some even die. There can be no doubt about that. The Australian Government Database of Adverse Event Notifications is sufficient proof of that. So, the real current problem is if this happened in the past with any previous vaccine, it would have been withdrawn immediately to allow more tests to be done to refine the vaccine or scrap it and find another one. So, given that’s not happening that way in the current circumstances, it can only mean one thing. Officialdom don’t give a damn about the people. All they care about is pwoer and control. It’s the only viable explanation. Power has blinded them so badly they can’t see how what they are doing is not only wrong it’s arguably illegal and criminal. Suggestions for Nuremberg 2.0 may be a little to far out there but I tell you what, it’s getting that way, and if it turns out the fears of long term effects start surfacing over the next few months to years, then Nuremberg 2.0 will have to become a reality. This is no joke.

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            Serp

            Some people express discomfort upon being told of Greg Hunt referring to the vaccine rollout as the “world’s largest clinical trial ever” a statement he makes at 12:50 in this clip https://www.abc.net.au/insiders/health-minister-greg-hunt/13176536; no talk of informed consent eh, don’t want to foster cognitive dissonance.

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              PeterS

              Yes, that’s how anyone who is alert and awake should take it. It’s one huge experiment that may or may not go horribly wrong. That’s why I’m waiting before I take any vaccine until I have sufficient information to warrant it. At the moment there is no urgency to take the vaccine. Those who say there is, such as our politicians are either telling lies or are complete fools. Either way, they are potentially opening themselves up for some serious charges down the road if things do go bad. If things go ok then they might get away with it in spite of the causalities resulting from the vaccines so far. The will consider them as a sort of fratricide. They will be forgotten, sadly.

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              Vicki

              I believe Greg Hunt knows exactly what the situation is in relation to these vaccines. It amazed me that he had the authenticity to write to Dr Mark Hobart to confirm that the TDA does not have the right to stop him prescribing Ivermectin.

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              Analitik

              Thank Serp. Those words are so true yet totally unappreciated by the masses

              The world is engaged in the largest clinical trial, the largest global vaccination trial ever

              He justifies it by continuing with

              It’s safe, it’s effective, it will help protect you, but it will also help protect your mum and dad, your grandparents, your nonna, all of Australia.

              yet somehow this is preceded by

              we will have enormous amounts of data

              So he doesn’t know. No one knows since these vaccines have only been around for a year and administered to the public for 9 months at most after a 3 month trial period. Pfizer even destroyed their control group by vaccinating them after the 3 month trial period

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                Rick

                I draw comfort in the reassurance from many experts that almost everyone who has been jabbed will be dead within two years. And that means most of the Lefties, because they have all stupidly embraced the idiotic Left wing mantra that we’re all in this together.
                Yup, they’ll all be in the grave together – and good riddance.
                No guarantees on this, of course, but I’m watching in anticipation of wonderful things happening.

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            Vicki

            Yes – most people clearly do not suffer immediate effects. But adverse effects may be a long term development.

            Robert Malone &others have speculated that immediate effects for some individuals may relate to individual vaccine batches. And I have heard one former Pfizer employee speculate that it may be to poor production control.

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              PeterS

              As I said that’s the worry. The silent assassin is possibly waiting for the right moment. If and when it strikes, politicians will have to come up with some other diversion to avoid being strung up by an angry mob. I suppose that’s why they are introducing new laws to increase their powers to stop any up rising. Even in the US where they have the 2nd amendment it might not be much good if more and more of the people are dumbed-down to the point of becoming like robots taking orders from their masters. It’s sort of like a race towards a finish line where no one knows as yet where it leads to. Over the cliff or at a brick wall with poisoned spikes. Either way the end result is not much different.

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              OriginalSteve

              https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/choken/kijironko/cknews/20210818-OYT8T50030/amp

              Translation:

              “”Now is the time to use ivermectin,” said Haruo Ozaki, chairman of the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical Association.

              “Although papers have been published one after another that ivermectin is effective in both prevention and treatment of the new corona, its use has not progressed in Japan, which has already been regarded as a “country of use”.

              “■ It should be used now that the infection explosion is progressing, but there are problems such as lack of ivermectin and not being covered by the government’s side effect damage relief system.

              “■ If the Japanese version of EUA is prepared quickly and can be used by doctors in the field, it can be administered to patients waiting at home or undergoing medical treatment. The government should actively promote its use.

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            Another Delcon

            I couldn’t give this a thumbs up so I will comment instead .
            I agree with Peter’s comments . Just because the vaccines don’t kill everyone that takes them doesn’t mean they are safe and should have been approved . These “ vaccines” have killed and maimed many more that all other vaccines combined . They should be withdrawn . The growing list of repurposed medications with very good safety records that are more effective at preventing people from contracting covid19 ( and clear existing infections ) should be the focus of governments .
            The vaccines offer little protection from the delta variant :
            https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733
            You have to download the paper to get the real story . All staff at the hospital fully vaccinated with A-Z yet 69 tested positive to covid 19 delta . They had 251 times higher viral load than the unvaccinated staff who tested positive to an earlier strain of the virus last year.
            Natural immunity much better than vax :
            https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
            And we shouldn’t obsess about “ case numbers because the tests are dodgy and give a positive result for almost anything :
            https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/07/jon-rappoport/cdc-fda-confess-they-had-no-virus-when-they-concocted-the-test-for-the-virus/
            Time to role out Ivermectin ,and sack any public official who gets in the road .
            As for the MSM : I call them an “ Iron curtain of disinformation “ !

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              PeterS

              What almost everyone has forgotten is a complete reliance on vaccines for a virus that is capable of being stored in animal reservoirs, as CODIF-19 is, is a big mistake. It should be treated like past viruses; which includes appropriate alternative treatments and a heavy reliance on natural immunity in the long term. We will never be able to get rid of the virus, unlike small-pox which animal or insect reservoirs don’t apply as it’s only humans that can carry and transmit it.

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                Analitik

                Even without animal reservoirs, the vaccines are so leaky that there will always be a human pool of the infected. There has never been a successful vaccine against coronaviruses when “success” is measured by elimination of infections largely because the spike proteins that provide the entry into cells are the most mutable part of the virus genome.

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              Yonniestone.

              The 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic could be the biggest vaccination killer in known history https://www.winterwatch.net/2021/06/the-truth-revealed-about-the-deadly-1918-spanish-flu-it-was-actually-bacterial-pneumonia/

              By some strange coinkydink, even modern technology has not been able to pinpoint the killer influenza strain from this pandemic. The “Spanish flu” attacked healthy people in their prime. Bacterial pneumonia attacks people in their prime. Flu attacks the young, old and immuno-compromised.

              In actuality bacterial pneumonia was the real killer — and thousands of autopsies confirm this fact.

              Researchers looked at more than 9,000 autopsies, and “there were no negative (bacterial) lung culture results.”

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              Ronin

              I was thinking about this and wouldn’t a socalled positive test result mean that you have some virus bits in your snooter, not that you are sick, wouldn’t it take a blood test to determine that.

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            Broadie

            I wondered about the lack of symptoms in most shot people myself. We are just hoping the Sheeple are handing over the nations wealth to their new Rulers without being poisoned. Wealth many of them had worked to create in order to be looked after comfortably in their Old Age.
            Too bad now, it’s gone. They better hope their neighbours and community are kind.

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          Vicki

          I firmly believe the GPS are dead scared of losing their jobs in small practices. Even those who own their practices know that the medical associations & government bureaucrats can exact disciplinary actions.

          As always, it takes exceptional courage to “buck the system”.

          However, the damage this is doing to their credibility is huge.

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            PeterS

            My doctor left the practice he was attending and now has his own practice. He’s disgusted with the coercion.

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            ColA

            I questioned my Dr. on Ivermectin, he dismissed it out of hand! didn’t bother to discuss it with me, which disappointed me as he has been my Dr. for years and you do expect some repour.
            Japan Medical Association Chairman just recommended the use of Ivermectin for Covid-19 to all Doctors.

            https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/08/tokyo-medical-association-chairman-on-ivermectin.html

            If you get a positive Covid-19 test in Australia you are told to go home, isolate and if you get sick enough you can go to hospital (and get a chance to get experimented on with other another set of new Covid-19 drugs)! That’s it …..

            Now imagine instead they send you a packet of Ivermectin and other medicines (maybe $10 per packet), with your positive Covid-19 notice and tell you to spend plenty of time in the sun (Vitamin D). You’d think they had a plan and knew what they were doing, right? And Imagine if 70% of the people currently turning up at hospitals didn’t show and therefore didn’t die?

            I wonder why so many western countries are so adverse to this treatment? While it’s bloody obvious why so many 3rd world countries are using it = it’s cheap and it works!

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              Ronin

              I’d say your doc may have been ‘spoken to’, if you know what I mean.

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                OriginalSteve

                I recall talking to a doctor once face to face, who told me off the record there were certain vaccines he would never give his own kids because they were too dangerous. This was back in 2010.

                Now fast forward to the current off the charts covid vax insanity…

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          Mantaray

          A mate’s mate who is a train driver: mid-50s and relatively fit; had s stroke two days after vax…..now paralyzed on right side. A lady aged about 60; lost all bladder control after vax (my Mrs says she was not incontinent in any way before the vax)

          THEN, at a pub for dinner last Friday (this in Qld), a bloke comes up to a fella with us and says ‘I have a serious heart-problem all of a sudden. Going to a specialist next (ie this) week.’ When he was asked had he been vaxed “yeah, last week. Do you think it’s connected?”

          OK, none of these three has been reported to DAEN registry, which is already officially over 50,000 Adverse Events. Should the real number be 500,000 or even 5 MILLION? who knows, and who cares to guess what the end game is?

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            PeterS

            When I first looked a few weeks ago at the deaths and other stats suspected to be caused by COVID vaccines, I thought how come our own government is allowing them to be published for all to see? Why aren’t they covering it up? Then it clicked. The real figures are very likely much higher. No way of proving it of course but it makes a lot of sense. In any case, the published deaths and reactions are bad enough.

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              Mantaray

              PeterS. On a part of the TGA website you get the following…’Large scale vaccination means that coincidentally some people will experience a new illness or die within a few days or weeks of vaccination.”

              See, when an old codger with a dozen pre-existing serious illness dies within TTWENTY EIGHT days of being found to have traces of SARS-CoV2 in their system, there is no coincidence whatsoever. It WAS Covid19 what killed ’em, they tells us. Hmmmm…

              Kinda like these govt health flunkies are not on the level, eh? (editor: Kinda??)

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                PeterS

                Also, it’s actually more of a “coincidence” that a person who is tested positive of COVID fragment actually has or even ever had the COVID-19 virus itself.

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                Ronin

                Some clown on the radio was saying that if the ‘cure’ for covid involved eating peanuts, dozens of people would die, it’s just that people die all the time of various things.

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                OriginalSteve

                Heres the thing…when evidence is presented in court, its admissible in a legal case.

                When a friend tells you something, you believe them.

                When when someones personal experience , when spoken out loud threatens the gumints vax insanity , its called “tin foil hat” stuff.

                Most people are sane, so who are the crazy ones?

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            rowingboat

            Former “riffraff” and work colleague, 30 year old very healthy male, whose marriage had to be postponed recently due to lock-down, took the Pfizer vaccine 2 weeks ago and suffered chest pains that didn’t wane. This weekend he checked himself into hospital and was subsequently referred to a private cardiologist for at least 12 months because, as the specialist informed him, they simply don’t know what the medium to long term impacts will be. He is very angry and feels duped because he did the responsible thing; the vaccine is supposed to be safe with minimal reaction. “Why doesn’t the government tell the truth?” The specialist (Sydney) also informed him that he’d been seeing people with similar conditions all weekend. He’s not allowed to exercise, which angers him even more.

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            Rick

            Oh, I think we all know what the end game is.

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          Deano

          “Mum’s neighbour, nice bloke double vaccinated and now having short term memory loss issues.”

          Perhaps it’s a coincidence but I had my 1st AstraZeneca shot about 11 days ago and I have noticed I’m suddenly disorganised and losing things frequently. This is out of character for me as usually, I’m boringly methodical and organised.

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        Serp

        What about supplying a link to the source of “462 suspected and confirmed deaths here in Australia up to 16/08/2021”, please?

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          PeterS

          https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-entry.aspx

          type in COVID in the search box, select all the vaccines and select 2021 as the start date and 2021 as the end date. It’s slow at the moment, probably because more and more people are using it. It was very fast a few weeks ago when I started using it. It’s been getting slower and slower ever since.

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            Serp

            Alas yes! Going back to the page after some hours I read this message:

            Server Error in ‘/Prod/daen’ Application.
            Timeout expired. The timeout period elapsed prior to completion of the operation or the server is not responding.

            I blame you.

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            Rick

            I’d love to see comparative figures on other “vaccines.” I have a suspicion that the numbers for the others would be much smaller and nowhere near as severe.
            At first glance, I’d say that the reactions as a percentage of those jabbed is about the same as the CFR for the Wuflu. What does that tell us?
            My haematologist told me in no uncertain terms that I have a far higher chance of being killed by an mRNA vaccine than by Covid19.

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              PeterS

              The chances of dying currently from either is very small. The real concern as mentioned earlier is the long term effects. That’s the big unknown. This is in terms of possible bad after effects of the vaccines and/or the possible deterioration of the immune systems as a result of the vaccines. Worst case scenario is both kick in strong and hard, and then we have massive death rates far worse than the pandemic itself. I sincerely hope not. We may have to wait a few years, or until the next pandemic hits to find out.

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          This is what your link says

          So far, the TGA has found that 7 reports of deaths were linked to immunisation from 476 reports received and reviewed. These deaths occurred after the first dose of the Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca) vaccine – 6 were TTS cases and one was a case of immune thrombocytopenia (ITP).

          Looks like 7 to me. Close to a 7000% error in your estimate.

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            Analitik

            Assessed by the TGA that has found hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, both used for decades, to suddenly be dangerous without clinical trialling.
            The TGA that found the gene therapy spike protein vaccines to be safe for 16 year olds onwards (12+ soon) with 3 months of clinical tests on restricted population subsets.

            Thanks for the clarification.

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              So you agree with me that the reported number is 7. Thanks for the clarification and support.

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                Analitik

                Assessed by the TGA is 7. Reported is 476.

                Just clarifying

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                Peter C

                No,

                The reported number of deaths was 476. Of those the TGA found that 7 were linked to the vaccination (by some unspecified manner)

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                Mantaray

                Gee Aye. the chain is very clear: person vaxed, and then an UNUSUAL medical issue. The guy with chronic migraines is not reporting a splitting headache…and nor is the chronic bronchitis suffering reporting coughing and wheezing. And mostly these reports are coming from doctors etc since the ac=verage non0bkogger does not even know suxh athing as DAEN exists…which you already know very well.

                Then, later, a person who has reported an UNUSUAL medical incident already, dies. Someone (again, probably a medical person) who has seen how the person died then reports the death as an AE (probably because the AEs that STARTED following the vax were still manifesting at the death, or just before it).

                Bureaucrats with a heavily vested interest in excusing their “baby” start investigating…probably by interviewing the relatives and the GP etc involved. All GPs have been sternly warned that Vax = Good, Everything Else = Bad. Suggesting other than this to a patient COULD bring up to five years in gaol. suggesting that Vax =Not Good is quite the heresy, but maybe a doctor will stand firm and do the 5 years…Maybe.

                So, yeah, I can understand your choice of “looks like” in reference to the whitewash of themselves and their bosses decision to pay multiple billions to buy a dud gene-therapy instead od awaiting an actual vaccine.

                Looks like is the weasel phrase to describe any BS doing the rounds. Looked like Lindy Chamberlain killed her kid and looked like George Pell fiddled the kids. yeah, sure, of course it did and does.

                BTW: “Looks like” to whom? A fair and reasonable onlooker, or to a medical bureaucrat covering the ol’ backside?

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                OriginalSteve

                You learn from software vendors that “no one else has ever had this issue before”…which is complete BS most times, and typical sales weasel drivel….

                So its always “rare” in isolation that make the papers, but becoming now common enough that normal people i know for a fact, are starting to question the vaccines.

                I know obe person in the US who did a poll of all his friends, and at least 20% of them knew if a serious injury or death related to the covid vaxes. Just a “rare” coincidence, right?

                This is why the hysterical and religious zeal push to go as fast as these people can, to get as many vaxxed as possible before the whole horrific mess becomes truly visible to the deplorables and they start keeling over en masse.

                What appears to be the other dirty little secret is that with multiple shots in, it starts to shred your immune function such that later on a normal flu shot or bad ( or designer pathogen 2.0 ) coukd be enough to end a lot of people. But of course its just another virus that did it, right?

                This appears to be evil, on a global scale.

                And now theyre coming after our kids….

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                PeterS

                This is so funny. If we are to leave out those that are suspected of the vaccine causing the deaths then we will also have to leave out virtually all of the cases tested positive of the virus using the PCR test that doesn’t actually test for the virus, only the COVID fragment of a possibly dead virus of COVID-19, the flu or some other virus. If we are to be consistent we will have to say all the suspected cases of deaths due to the vaccines are real and all of the cases of positive tests to be real, or else one is guilty of bias.

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          Sceptical Sam

          If the number is 462 then the fatality rate is 0.00243% which aligns with the UK rate of 0.00182%.

          But, as Gee Aye rightly says, it’s 7. That doesn’t even register until the 5th decimal place; 0.000037%.

          Look both ways when you cross the road and don’t play golf in the rain.

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            PeterS

            Over 400 deaths due the vaccines so far this year and yet about a quarter of that many deaths due to the virus itself. Chances of survival are extremely high, almost certain, and I would get better immunity. Then there are the side effects of which there are many due to the vaccines that one doesn’t get from the virus. I’ll take my chances with the virus thank you very much.

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        Geoffrey Williams

        Peter where does the 462 deaths due to the covod vaccine figure come from?
        GeoffW

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      RickWill

      For a brief period last year it was the virus, but other causes normally dwarf the virus deaths, not that you would know it from all the hysteria.

      Not only last year but also January 2021. And notably in April 2020, there was an increase in other causes of death when the hospitals in the UK were overrun.

      UK has fared badly with regard Covid. Excess deaths for multiple months despite harsh lockdowns:
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9240169/England-Wales-recorded-8-433-coronavirus-victims-second-week-January-second-deadliest.html
      UK ranks 23rd on the Covid death toll so far at 1911/M. Not far behind USA and Italy.

      The UK has a very high proportion of the population now exhibiting anti-bodies so it remains disappointing that daily deaths are now running near 150.
      https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/Overview#heatmap

      There are very few deaths among children but they are only beginning to get infected so that may change. The death rate in 15 to 44 is low but is now accelerating.

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        Analitik

        How many of the excess deaths were due to the lockdowns, reducing diagnosis and treatment for non-CoViD causes of death?

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          RickWill

          Not as many as those caused by hospitals being overrun. It is easy to forget the chaos in hospitals unless you were involved. And clearly you weren’t because you would not ask that question if you were.

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          Graeme P.

          I have a friend who is a nurse, last year he told me that people are not coming to hospital when they need to due to fear of covid.

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            RickWill

            I have a friend who is a nurse, last year he told me that people are not coming to hospital when they need to due to fear of covid.

            The first person to die of Covid that my son treated in Melbourne acquired Covid in hospital. The person presented to a small hospital with a heart issue and had recovered from that by the time she ended up in a Covid ward at a large hospital set up to handle Covid cases. Just today, one of the deaths in NSW was a 70yo who acquired the infection in hospital. There are a lot of infected people in hospitals in Sydney right now. I would avoid hospitals like the plague – in fact literally.

            So your friend is making an observation of a sensible risk reduction strategy – avoid hospitals unless knocking on deaths door. And if you have the choice, go to a private hospital not treating Covid cases.

            One of the issues confronting hospitals where there is high incidence of Covid in the community is making an early assessment of arrivals with Covid so they can be effectively isolated. Emergency departments were not designed to cater for pandemics. If a road trauma case presents to a crowded emergency department with a good portion Covid infected then there is a good chance they will acquire Covid while in the ED.

            Royal Melbourne Hospital currently has 211 staff quarantining at home because they operated on a Covid positive patient without testing beforehand. There is now 7 people infected from that case.

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              Stan

              Here’s an idea: why not try TREATMENT????!!!!

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              Stan

              Here’s an idea: why not try early treatment?

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              David Maddison

              Not so long ago Australia was equipped with “infectious diseases” hospitals. One such example was Fairfield Hospital which in the last decade or so was demolished so the land could be sold to real estate developer friends of the government.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfield_Infectious_Diseases_Hospital

              Also, Australia did once have dedicated quarantine facilities such as the Pt Nepean Quarantine Station, used as recently as 1996 to hose Kosovar refugees.

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                David Maddison

                Forgot to include link for Pt Nepean Quarantine Station:

                https://vhd.heritagecouncil.vic.gov.au/places/3256

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                Hanrahan

                Birralee in the Adelaide Hills was another. I spent some time there in ’63.

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                RickWill

                Australia is desperately trying to build effective quarantine centres. Makes more sense to keep the virus out until means of managing it are sorted.

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                Peter C

                Actually I think a lot of the Fairfield infectious diseases hospital land has been repurposed as a prison for insane criminals (Thomas Embling Hospital).

                As for the Quarantine Station, they had a better understanding of quarantine back then:

                The security of the Quarantine Station was crucial to its function. Police guarded a forty foot stretch of land between two fences to keep passengers in and others out of the station.

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                Kalm Keith

                “so the land could be sold to real estate developer friends of the government.”

                In so many ways that is what modern governments is about.

                Actions, decisions;

                By the government,
                of the government,
                for the government.

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          PeterS

          How many deaths? Officialdom don’t give a damn about that. All they care about are the cases numbers and the vaccination rate. In the past if a vaccine alone caused the same number of deaths and server illnesses occurred as the COVID-19 vaccines are doing now, it would have been withdrawn immediately.

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          M Allinson

          Statistics reveal virus is NOT the biggest killer – with heart disease, dementia and cancer each claiming four times as many lives in an average week last month …

          https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9935663/Is-time-stop-obsessing-Covid-figures-Statistics-reveal-coronavirus-NOT-biggest-killer.html

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            RickWill

            That is after the UK has almost 100% of the population carrying Covid antibodies. It is concerning that there is still 150 people dying from Covid every day. By now the UK should be down to a handful of deaths a week like the other countries that have achieved a high level of vaccination. Belgium only has a 5 or so Covid deaths per day now.

            It appears the “freedom” celebrations in the UK have created a surge in cases and deaths.

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            PeterS

            The biggest scandal in terms of the stats is the classification of COVID deaths when in fact the death was just as likely caused by some other virus, such as flue or phenomena. Given the PCR test is worthless as it only detects a COVID fragment, which could be due to a dead virus of almost any type then, it calls into question the stats from the start. Then there are the situations where the death certificate might have COVID as the cause of death when in fact all it means is the victim died with COVID not from COVID. Even then as above the victim might not even had a COVID virus at all.

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        tom0mason

        RickWill @ #3.2.1.2.1

        Due to the cost and the UK’s NHS NOT being overrun with COVID patients, ENGLAND’S emergency Nightingale hospitals are to be closed down next month as services are “no longer at risk of being overwhelmed”, a UK NHS spokesperson says.
        See https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-nightingale-hospitals-nhs-b1814222.html for more.

        Also of note is that PCR ‘cases’ are not a reliable indicator for infection rates!

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          RickWill

          The leaky borders and lockdowns were effective to some degree then. Isn’t that a good thing that the facility was not needed?

          Either through vaccination or infection, almost 100% of the UK population are carrying Covid antibodies. It should be reasonable to shut down emergency hospitals with little risk of major surge in hospitalisation. Although I find it concerning that UK is still using 150 people per day to Covid and the infection rate in school children is rising rapidly; over 3% every week.

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        Lucky

        The UK hospital crisis when this virus came in was due to the hospital system itself:

        – Very short staffed, supposedly, any staff suspected of contact was not allowed to work, whole wards were closed for this reason
        – a nurse who showed pics of empty wards was hounded and dismissed.
        – Hospital management fakery’ to protect the NHS’, an obscene phrase surely? by refusing to take patients with other conditions, and patients already in hospital were removed and sent to care homes, as they describe those places, to catch the virus, receive no treatment, and die. That was ok with them as the stats did not show death in hospital.

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      mal

      In Australia, we have 170,000 deaths a year from all causes
      That’s 465 deaths a day
      75% over 65 years old
      Further NSW health has advised that of the deaths to date many died with covid, not of covid.
      This is morphing into the greatest medical scam in australian history
      Our politicians are doing what they always do, play the blame game and the MSM do what they always do, beat it up and thrive on fear they generate.

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        TdeF

        You have to compare like with like.

        Total Wuhan Flu deaths in England (population 56 million ) 116,000.
        Total Wuhan Flu deaths in Italy (Population 60 million) 129,000

        Total Wuhan Flu deaths in Australia (population 25 Million) <1,000. (800 in Victoria)
        (Spanish) Flu deaths prevented in Australia >1000.

        Half the population and 1% of the deaths. No (Spanish) flu deaths at all.

        We are an island. We have saved at least 50,000 lives. Plus all those people whose health would
        have been ruined, old and young. That’s not a scam. That’s self sacrifice and even heroism for a great cause.

        However with the astounding arrival of innoculation/vaccination and the coming of summer, we can well expect to open up and get our lives
        back to normal. Has it been worth it? I know who to ask.

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          TdeF

          And we are so very lucky the much more infectious next mutation did not hit everyone, young and old, men and women and babies, as did the Spanish flu. In fact it is so infectious, much of the world will be inoculated for free and incredibly quickly, bringing an end to this awful man made plague before it gets much worse.

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            Mantaray

            I’ve asked several times on this blog…just for an opinion….how it can be that when we KNOW about an infectious person on the loose (= can readily identify where they’ve been and easily find contacts) we GET NO TRANSMISSIONS.

            Examples: the Brisbane delta-positive woman in Townsvile and Magnetic Island; 950+ contacts (said qld Health) fOR NO INFECTIONS. Or the delta-positive taxi-driver in Cairns: 10 days and hundreds of VERY CLOSE contacts for NO INFECTIONS. Or the 3 people in Byron. Delta positive for several days AND NO INFECTIONS.

            How many examples like this would it take before you even doubted (just a teeny tiny bit) the “Delta is HIGHLY contagious” narrative. Another million examples, maybe?

            It really seems as if the more we see exposed, the less there actually is to see. How CAN this be?

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              Analitik

              Because the vast majority of people infected do not become highly symptomic so they recover without ever knowing the had CoViD. Serology tests in countries that have bothered show this quite clearly eg. 67% of the population in India according to a 29,000 person survey back in July.

              https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/21/covid-19-antibodies-detected-in-67-of-indias-population

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                Sceptical Sam

                Or the so-called infected person was a false positive.

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                Analitik

                Positives get double checked to prevent false cases – they don’t want people isolating without justification, although the overly high PCR cycle thresholds make it likely that many positive “cases” are so marginal that the infected persons won’t be transmissive nor become noticeably symptomatic.

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              ando

              I know of a nurse who the pcr test said contracted covid. Was Living in close proximity to 4 other adults (her boyfriend being one of them), two of them in their 50s. None of the others caught it.

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                Sceptical Sam

                Another false positive.

                They do occur you know.

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                Analitik

                Positives get double checked to prevent false cases – they don’t want people isolating without justification, although the overly high PCR cycle thresholds make it likely that many positive “cases” are so marginal that the infected persons won’t be transmissive nor become noticeably symptomatic

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          TdeF

          This is the typical response.

          There are just people who against innoculation at any price, regardless of logic.

          There is nothing wrong with the figures, so why? Tens of thousands of Australians are alive today because of lockdowns but we cannot do it forever.

          And once again we have a solution, as we had for polio, tuberculosis and more. They were not scams.

          And innoculations against disease used to be a precondition of travel to many countries. Then it switched to be the responsibility of the traveller. The only one I did not have on my last trip to India was Yellow Fever, as it is not in India.

          But there are people who believe either that it is all fake or extremely dangerous. It is the disease which is extremely dangerous, if not for you luckily, but for others. And that is just a fluke if you are not affected this time because the disease will mutate until it infects everyone. That is the nature of Natural Selection of viruses.

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            David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

            G’day TdeF,
            I thought that those who were exposed but didn’t know it, were those whose vitamin D and zinc levels were high enough. Immune system working Ok.
            That’s why I’m bolstering mine.
            Cheers
            Dave B

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              TdeF

              Good. I see innoculation as no different than all the innoculations I have had in a lifetime of travel. All medicine comes with a risk, like life. For some reason people are scared of this innoculation. They should be more scared of the disease.

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              Serp

              It’s likely our zinc deficient vegan brethren should be over-represented in the covid fatalities even moreso the goth subset thereof; such a cruel virus to rob society of its weird fringe.

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      Rob+Jones

      Agreed Tonyb: I suppose you are referring to the UK Office of National Statistics ASMR (Age Standardised Mortality Rates) which reflect what you are saying about every year prior to 2009 having a higher death rate. Another perspective, from the same set of ASMR stats, is that the death rate in England in 2020 (with COVID) was lower than the death rate in Wales in 2018 (withOUT COVID). Of course, Wales NORMALLY has a much higher death rate than England–which I suppose is why nobody thought it necessary, in 2018, to destroy the UK economy with hundreds of billions of spending dedicated to attempts to spare Wales the ravages of the Grim Reaper.

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    tonyb

    This seems a bit harsh as NSW teachers are told you will be fired if you don’t take the jab

    https://dailysceptic.org/2021/08/28/no-jab-no-job-policy-introduced-for-nsw-teachers/

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      Klem

      Time for teachers to consider purchasing fake vaccine certificates, like doctors and nurses have been doing routinely.

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        ColA

        purchasing fake vaccine certificates, like doctors and nurses have been doing routinely

        Rather a strong accusation Klem, do you have anything to support it??

        There maybe hundreds of frontline medical workers who took the jab, who don’t need their confidence to be undermined.

        If you can not support your claim, I’m sure if you ask the Mod’s politely they will clearly notify everyone your claim is unsupported!

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        Ian

        Surely you’re not an anti-vaxxer. Are you??

        Maybe the anti-vaxxers and others should take a look at the truly sad story of Caleb Wallace a 30 year old activist anti-vaxxer in Texas who has just died of Covid-19.

        His wife Jessica is reported as saying her husband began experiencing Covid symptoms on 26 July but refused to get tested or go to the hospital. He instead took high doses of Vitamin C, zinc aspirin and ivermectin, an anti-parasitic medicine used for livestock that officials have urged people not to take for Covid-19.

        It seems the much vaunted anti viral treatments also may not always be the best choice of treatment

        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/29/texas-caleb-wallace-anti-mask-protests-freedom-dies-covid-19

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          Neil Crafter

          So what “treatment” would he have gotten exactly if he went into the system? Hopes and prayers?

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            Ian

            “So what “treatment” would he have gotten exactly if he went into the system? Hopes and prayers?”

            He did go into the system.

            “He was taken to an emergency room on 30 July. Since 8 August he had been unconscious and on a ventilator.”

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              Neil Crafter

              I am asking you what treatment he would have received if he hadn’t self medicated. Clearly by your response you know he would have received no treatment as such.

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                Are you suggesting that hospitalised covid patients just lie in a bed?

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                Sceptical Sam

                Neil, did you not see the last word in Ian’s last sentence?

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                Hanrahan

                Symptomatic cases are sent home until they turn blue, THEN they are hospitalised. You KNOW that perfectly well.

                That is the US of course. For some time here in Qld the number of cases almost exactly matched those hospitalised. I know of no approved treatment they would have received until their deterioration mandated oxygen.

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          robert rosicka

          High doses of Ivermectin are not prescribed but instead of cherry picking how about we include the people who have died of COVID after having both shots .

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          Analitik

          Images of Caleb Wallace show him to be obese, putting him into the high risk category so he should have considered vaccination. That doesn’t make it a general rule that is applied across society.

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            Lucky

            Vaccinations on the obese need special attention to ensure proper delivery. Otherwise, good chance of being ineffective.
            (This may be an advantage)

            On a treatment medication taken orally, no such caution required beyond ensuring correct dose and with food.

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          Annie

          No mention of VitD?

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          Mark Kaiser

          Ian, you just proved how ignorant you really are and while we’re at it, a good portion of the MSM, CDC, ….you get the idea.
          It’s the medical profession that is criminal for refusing to provide their professional guidance with the use of Ivermectin.

          Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective

          Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial impact in improving the lives and welfare of billions of people throughout the world.

          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

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          Mantaray

          Have a little read about Caleb Wallace. Was he a healthy man?

          Or was he a courageous fella who valued freedom FOR ALL, rather than cowering in a corner demanding that everyone else should be locked away for his (maybe, might-be, could-be) benefit?

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          David Maddison

          Ian, are you aware that Ivermectin was used first in humans before livestock and its discoverers received the Nobel Prize for physiology and medicine?

          Even your beloved UN WHO considers it one of mankind’s most essential medicines.

          I am sick of hearing the ignorant calling this a “veterinary medicine” when its most important use has been for humans. It has saved people from shocking diseases like River Blindness. You sound like some Leftist covidiot.

          Of course, it also has important veterinary uses. Are you aware that many drugs are used in both humans and other mammals because we share similar physiology?

          And remember people, if you are forced to take veterinary Ivermectin or any other medicine because you are not allowed to access the human stuff, remember to reduce the dose. A dose for a 500kg animal is too much for a person.

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          RobB

          Hi Ian

          This link summarizes all studies made into ivermectin, HCQ, vitamin D and a whole host of other medicines as treatments to COVID19 to date. The science is in, and it is quite clear that these are effective early treatments: https://c19early.com

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      OriginalSteve

      Sounds a bit like Mark of the Beast..

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        PeterS

        No it can’t be. The mark of the beast is on the hand or forehead.

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          GlenFromAus

          Revelation is a type of literature called “apocalyptic literature”.

          You don’t read the following: “Roses are red, violets are blue, …” as a literal sentence but as a poem, because its literature type is poetic. And the literature type informs you of how you should understand what is written (not as literally written but as poetic).

          Similarly, with “apocalyptic literature”, when you read it, the type of literature that it is informs you of how it is meant to be understood.
          ASIDE: Obviously, those who wish to understand it as literal would argue against this, but yet when they read the verse in the Psalm that says “Hide me under the shadow of your wings” they don’t say “God has wings” they say “its a poem”. WHY? Because it is a poem. And yet they don’t want to read Revelation in the style it was written in !!!!! But I digress.

          So, when reading Revelation in the style it was written in, the “Hand” and “Forehead” could be symbolic.
          I have read in many places that “Hand” could symbolize fealty and that “forehead” could relate to mindset/devotion. If one did so, it would imply that the MARK a person receives indicates the fealty and mindset/devotion the person is expressing toward the THING that is giving the MARK.

          ASIDE: since the 1850’s when “End Time” prognostication became a big thing, there have been thousands of people who have said that various people, nations, politicians and things are the BEAST or the MARK or the HORSEMEN, etc, etc, etc., so in the case of the symbolism above, I have not expressed that the MARK is a particular thing. I will say that Jesus warned to “watch for the signs of the times”.

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      PeterS

      If teachers then why not everyone else? Apart from the fact it’s illegal and unethical, the NSW government has now stepped over the line. Teachers now should strike even those who want to be vaccinated as it’s all rotten to the core now.

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        el gordo

        The teachers who like the job will get the jab, while those who think the jab is unnecessary and as they were considering a career change anyway, they will walk.

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        RightOverLabour

        Absolutely. I can’t see the reasoning. Kids generally don’t get Covid, and the vaccinations only “protect” the person vaccinated. If I choose to not get vaccinated and run the risk of getting covid, that’s my choice. Further, I am now taking Ivermectin which will protect me from Covid, so my risk is further reduced. Seems mad. I am a teacher in NZ. If they introduce this here I will not get vaccinated but will get lawyered up.

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          OriginalSteve

          I think a letter saying to the NZ Dept of Ed that a condition of getting the jab is that they will pay your medical bills and damages indefinitely if you get sick or disabled from the jab. That will slow them down, plus a lawyers letter will help.

          If enough people do it they will back off.

          Although the globalists are unhinged lunatics, so its probable you will get yelled at and fired by thier bootlickers.

          Sign here…..

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      OldOzzie

      Perhaps Gladys and the NSW Liberal Party could take a lesson from Russia

      Putin Opposes Mandatory Jabs, Says People Should Get Vaccinated Without Coercion

      Russian President Vladimir Putin says that while people need to get vaccinated to “overcome this pandemic,” nobody’s job should be on the line if they refuse.

      Speaking last weekend during a meeting with the governing United Russia party ahead of next month’s parliamentary elections, Putin said “We need to do everything we can to overcome this pandemic,” adding “and the best tool we have in this fight is vaccination.”

      “Vaccination is the main weapon against the spread of the virus. Importantly, no one should be forced to get a jab. Pressure, where people may lose their jobs, is even less acceptable. People must be convinced of the need to get the vaccine,” he said.

      “This must be done persistently and respectfully. People should be convinced of the need to get vaccinated in order to save their lives and health, and to protect their loved ones.”

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        OldOzzie

        Russian President Vladimir Putin has recently come out against forcing citizens in Russia to get vaccinated through coercion, particularly through threatening their employment.

        Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews on the other hand…

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        Graeme P.

        Only last night while having a beer with my father we commented that Russia has more freedom than Australia. Go Figure.

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        PeterS

        I have been sitting on the fence wrt Putin. He has allegedly undergone a major change ever since he converted from being a communist to being a Christian a long time ago. The reason I might believe he is sincere as a Christian is as follows. My roots are Greek Orthodox. My parents were Greek but I was born here in Australia. I never took their faith seriously until much about a decade ago after search a wide variety of churches. Ever since I studied the background of the Eastern Orthodoxy (Greek, Russian and others) I can tell that Russian and Greek Orthodoxy are almost identical with a few little differences in their traditions. So, in that respect I might believe him but I still do have my doubts. I can’t read his mind and so I can’t be certain either way. We’ll just have to use empirical evidence to assess his sincerity over time. That’s one reason I actually have as much or as little trust in Putin as I do with our own PM Morrison who allegedly calls himself a Christian too but of course of a very different denomination. What makes me doubt PM Morrison’s sincerity is the fact that he has lied too often and the fact he is more of a prosperity seeker friendly type of believer who is not what the disciples of Christ were, and in fact were the opposite given the persecution they endured under the Romans. So, I would give as much slack to Putin as I would to PM Morrison, perhaps more so.

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        Dennis

        I am in NSW and I have been vaccinated (Oxford Astra Zeneca) with nothing worse than a mildly sore shoulder and feeling slightly like a cold starting for twenty four hours.

        However, I am not aware of vaccination being compulsory, people are free to make their own decision.

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        Mark Kaiser

        I’m neutral on Putin overall. And I believe his statement but I can’t resist this.

        People must be convinced of the need to get the vaccine,” he said.

        Not vaccinated? That’s OK. I’m sure we can gently convince you with this 1 month all-expense paid vacation at our finest Gulog. Events include but are not limited to:
        1) shoveling snow with your bare hands
        2) swimming with the fish
        3) running with the polar bears

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      PeterS

      I’ve checked a few sources and it appears to be a bluff to coerce as many teachers as possible to be vaccinated. By law an employee can’t coerce an employee to be vaccinated except for very exceptional circumstances, such as dealing with sick patients in a hospital ward. What they can do and appear to be doing is to send out a general message to encourage teachers to be vaccinated.

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        Gary Simpson

        Surely there exists, in this country, a group of very clever lawyers who can challenge the legality of this injection mandate. If they can use an obscure legal loophole to free some felon who they well know is guilty of a serious crime, should it be possible to find a way via constitutional law? I have no legal training but plenty do, and with thousands of court cases in a holding pattern at the moment, they should have some time on their hands. Or perhaps they have been coerced into submission as well. Australia – the lackey country.

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          Dennis

          When I started travelling internationally during the 1960s it was compulsory to carry a yellow vaccination record book with your passport, depending on what countries you planned to visit various vaccinations were required.

          There are many employees that must be vaccinated, tested for illegal drugs and alcohol at the workplace, and of course children are required to be vaccinated for various reasons.

          We must have a licence to drive a vehicle on the roads, boat licences, fishing licences, tax file number, medicare card and number, and others, by law.

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            Analitik

            The vaccines in all these cases were rigorously tested for between 5-10 years before approval for general use. Many more vaccines have been rejected or recalled than approved.

            The vaccines for CoViD have all been around for one year at most with 3 months of safety and efficacy trials on a very restricted subset (young, perfect health) of the populations involved before emergency/provisional approval was given.

            These vaccines are still experimental and should not be forced on anyone, least of all the young.

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            PeterS

            We are talking about people’s jobs and livelihoods. Travel is not a essential. Working for a living is to put food on the table, etc..

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            Mantaray

            They were all traditional vaxes based on being injected with the actual pathogen, whether inactive or weakened.

            There was barely a thought that they might not work; that you still stood a high chance of getting infected, and sick despite them. This in the same way that our Whooping Cough, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Polio vaccinations PROTECTED us.

            Plus, when returnimg from Overseas do you ever remember being quarantined for anything you’d been previously been vaxed for?

            This is the weirdest “vax” in history Dennis!

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            yarpos

            I was little bemused when we moved to Europe in the early 2000s , that the cat had extensive health and vaccination records but we humans did not.

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          Mark Kaiser

          The trick, I guess, is to find an unvaccinated lawyer. More incentive.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    Qualified immunity and who has it may become the biggest legal question of our time, at least in the US. There is now data that, first, people who have had Covid have good immunuity, and second, for this group, taking the vaccine is riskier than for the unvaccinated. If, in authority, you take action against the unvaccinated now, without consideration of the naturally immune, you ought to be liable for all sorts of things (which some think you should be liable for simply for taking folks freedoms away in the first place).
    All of the crisis are gonna run together, and then run their course, and the mob will likely want someone to blame, and someone to lead them out of this mess to the promised land. Think about how a place like Venezuela gets its Chavez. Our tiny tyrants are desperate to hold onto power for fear of what might happen to them if people look back at the cupidity of their abuses in the clear light of a better day.

    It much easier to play follow the leader than to rebuild a couple of centuries’ worth of institutional knowledge lost. Read Jo’s tag line again.

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      In Germany they reflect about lockdowns for non vaccinated, letting of course the science apart, that vaccinated spread maybe more than the non vaccinated. They want all to get the jab, why ever.
      The time to believe “vaccinations” prevent decrease the “infections” should be over.

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      PeterS

      I suggested before that if they want to introduce vaccination passports then they should also introduce immunity passports. Better still have it rolled into one and just call it an immunity passport. Also, no one appears to realise that booster shots are necessary ad infinitum so if they start issuing vaccination passports they have to have an expiry date of around 6 months.

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      OldOzzie

      No Fault COVID-19 Indemnity Scheme Date – Date Published 28 August 2021

      No Fault COVID-19 Indemnity Scheme

      The Morrison Government has finalised the details of the no fault COVID-19 Vaccine Claim Scheme following extensive consultation with the peak medical, healthcare, business and insurance sectors to ensure a comprehensive National Scheme.

      Date published:
      28 August 2021
      Media type:
      Media release
      Audience:
      General public

      The Scheme will provide Australians with quick access to compensation for COVID-19 claims related to the administration of a Therapeutic Goods Administration approved COVID-19 vaccine delivered through a Commonwealth Government approved program.

      Minister for Health and Aged Care, Greg Hunt, said the COVID-19 Vaccine Claims Scheme offers protection to Australians receiving a TGA approved COVID-19 vaccine, irrespective of where that vaccination occurs.

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        PeterS

        Well that blows the lid off the lie that the vaccines are safe.

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          Analitik

          Yes, when I posted this on the weekend thread, I was thinking that this was an admission that there were risks (as well as the government putting taxpayers on the hook for the payouts).

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    We overlook this bay. The story says ithe sea bed has recovered from the serious storms of 2013 faster than if it had been overfished

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58360185

    The expert then says severe storms are becoming worse due to climate change but then says this is the worst since 1948″. They keep saying it is the worst ever, like the Italian fires, then admit it is only the worst in 30 years or so

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    Mantaray

    NSW….About 4 million tests to discover about 15,000 TRACES of (maybe) SARS-CoV2, with about 750 hospitalizations due to Covid19 symptoms of some sort (what does this mean? A fever, followed by an overnight stay for observation?) and some 70 deaths. This in the past month (from 28th July) = just over 2 deaths per day.

    Meanwhile the stock-standard 150-200 other deaths per day in NSW are barely mentioned. 99% not mentioned AT ALL.

    For each 210 trace of SARS-CoV2 detected by mass testing there has been ONE death = 0.4%, though we do not know exactly know how many of these very few deaths followed the discovery of a trace. In other words: the 15000 traces were found in the mass testing which requires no symptoms, while maybe ALL the DEATHS were of people presenting independently of the mass testing WITH symptoms. Likewise hospital cases, whereby maybe all of the in-patients were taken straight from nursing homes to the ICU etc. As the average age of death for alleged Covid19 sufferers is 85+, this latter looks like the reality (how many 85+ year olds are not in some sort of aged facility?)

    The other salient point is that nearly every example of SARS-CoV2 or Covid19 the public is made SPECIFICALLY aware of IN REAL TIME, turns out to be a fizzer. Tom Hanks or Donald Trump or Prince Charles or any other celebrity announcing they have the couf comes good in no time at all = it’s very hard to stage-manage reality vs massaging invented past-tense myths.

    That the entire pandemic is a fraud, goes without saying. It’s only the additional element of the coerced injection of unknown chemicals into billions of people which makes it sot much more sinister than the usual Nigerian Prince, pyramid or Ponzi scheme fraud.

    ANYONE got any suggestion as to WHY such potentially highly-toxic substances MUST BE INJECTED apart from to do harm? Isn’t this “injections for your own good” something like the “refreshing showers” upon arrival at Auschwitz, Buchenwald, or Treblinka maybe? DON”T FRIGHTEN THE HORSES, Kameraden!

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      PeterS

      The real reason is pure hysteria on a scale not often see in history but does come about from time to time. It happens when society as a whole and officialdom in particular lose the ability to tell truth from lies.

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        frequently seen in history: Charles Mackay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, 1841. These days, ignorance is no excuse. It’s a lifestyle choice.

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          Mantaray

          Yeah Martin Clark, but is this an actual Madness of Crowds event, at all?

          The various Oz Govts, big businesses, the media, the expert-industrial-complex and many many other vested interests have been relentlessly whipping up the fear and terror…and yet STILL we get only about 50% frightened, cajoled, terrified enough to get vaxed. So what’s the go? Example;

          If someone was offering FREE home insurance they would find every homeowner in Oz beating down their doors. Or free Health Insurance, or free anything they genuinely believed would make them safer. Free car rego checks. Free crim-safe screen doors. Free eye-classes. Free this and free that: the rush would knock us off our feet..

          BUT this is so very very different is it not? The masses recognize this BS = this is an example of The Wisdom of Crowds (see James Surowiecki 2004) while the leaders are clearly only PRETENDING to be in fear. Back to the question; what is it about these untested drugs and gene-tech injections that so excites THE ELITES.

          BTW. I suspect the upper 1% have only been injected with saline solution, if anything at all.

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            Well, I get a bit p’d off by those who say “so you’re a climate denier” when I point out my award-winning expertise in CRD (climate-responsive design). That would be a bit hard if I denied there was a climate. Also “climate change denier” when I point out that the Coral Sea to the east of us was once 120m lower, etc etc. But I am cheered up when I meet people who have no knowledge regarding climate or virii, but know when they are being lied to. Even more heartening that this group includes kids, who have this rubbish shoved at them at school, by social media, and “peers” and still know it is bs. Some humans are hard-wired; bs detection must be in their DNA. It can be learned. I was listening to Fauci, and had a strong recollection of being taught lie detection by a former member of MI5 or similar.

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            Serp

            Re “BTW. I suspect the upper 1% have only been injected with saline solution, if anything at all.” A couple of weeks ago there was a comment on Michael Smith’s site from a person claiming to be an experienced nurse who pointed out that in the staged photo shoot of ScoMo’s injection too small a gauge needle was used for injection of the vax. The colour of the syringe was the giveaway apparently. My attempts at confirming this possible canard have failed, others may fare better.

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      RickWill

      That the entire pandemic is a fraud, goes without saying.

      Tell that to the grave diggers in Peru. Their problem is not bodies but cemeteries to bury them:
      https://apnews.com/article/peru-coronavirus-pandemic-health-pandemics-cc503f4446fa2c803a57978f8ca236a7

      LIMA, Peru (AP) — After Joel Bautista died of a heart attack last month in Peru, his family tried unsuccessfully to find an available grave at four different cemeteries. After four days, they resorted to digging a hole in his garden.

      The thing about exponential growth – is exponential growth. Infections just keeps going up until everyone is infected. Authorities can work hard to intercept the exponential growth at a very early stage or plan on expanding the death industry either burying or burning bodies.

      Excess deaths in Peru were more than 3X average for months on end.

      People who do not appreciate the severity of Covid are simply not paying attention.

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        Mantaray

        RickWill. Peru is a very bad choice to confront me with, as you will soon appreciate….

        sala funeraria = funeral parlour in Spanish. Here’s one I know in Lima, which I believe still has someone who speaks English….https://luisescorzafuneraria.com/….I went to a funeral they organized some years back, and still have their card….

        Google them and send an E-Mail asking about getting someone buried. BIG SURPRISE coming for a true-believer in an apnews story.

        Go on; take the RED pill!

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          RickWill

          They are a body transfer group. You need to do better than that to show that cemetery space was in short supply.

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            Mantaray

            A body-transfer group = a funeral service. A centralized one at that. What do they do after they repatriate the bodies. Find somewhere to inter them, maybe?

            E-mail them and ask about getting someone buried…if you can take the truth that they are NOT overwhelmed in Peru.

            BTW: apnews is the most DISreputable outfit going, so don’t get sucked in by them…unless you desire to be mislead, of course.

            The ‘nazi-photos” scandal should tell you all you need to know about their ‘standards”!

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              RickWill

              if you can take the truth that they are NOT overwhelmed in Peru.

              Not now overwhelmed. They have achieved herd immunity now after 0.6% of the population died of Covid and another 23% fully vaccinated now. But the story was completely different from May to August 2020 and Jan to May 2021.

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            MP

            Funeral home

            Translated
            We are a company with more than 5 years of service, which positions us as the funeral home with the greatest experience, confidence, and prestige. We are characterized by our efficiency, support and personalized service and with high quality standards, in such a way that our clients fully trust in the work we do, without worrying about anything in the face of the difficult situation of the loss of a loved one. “Together we can overcome the difficult moment you are going through, we carry out all the procedures to make the difficult moment you are living easier” We work with all labor insurance that offer expenses for burial (EsSalud, AFP, EPS): institutions, national and international insurers, funeral homes and insurance brokers nationally and worldwide.

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          MP

          He prefers his, intravenously.

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    Graeme No.3

    Countries have gone through Great Resets before, most notably
    in 1720. After many years of wars both England and France were struggling with financial problems.
    France was a despotic monarchy, as Louis 14 had set up Versailles as the centre of government. The State finances were in disarray, heavily in debt and resorting to expedients such as selling the collection of taxes to financiers for a lump sum, in return they collected more in taxes for some years following. This meant that the burden fell on the poor and middle classes, as nobles were exempt from most taxes, and that led to those with money purchasing ‘nobility’ by paying a few years tax in advance, but gaining exemption for the rest of their life and their descendants. Mortgaging future revenue for current expenditure.

    Britain was only slightly better off, but the public finances were a tangled mess. Much corruption saw some “public servants” making fortunes from embezzlement, and also using public money for private speculation. Raising money was expensive, with resort to schemes like great lotteries, and the selling of 99 year debentures.

    After a few years of peace, both countries embarked on wild financial speculation; the Mississippi Company in France and the South Sea Bubble in England. When these collapsed the 2 countries went on different courses.
    Despotism in France tried to reverse what had happened, by confiscation of gains from the lower classes but exemption for the nobles. The public finances remained a mess and the country stagnated. Extravagant display was encouraged, and the nobles demanded more money from their estates, and when this wasn’t possible, schemed to get government grants. Louis the 15TH most famously said “apres moi, le deluge” but wasn’t willing tackle reform and eventually a revolution caused a Great Reset.

    In England, reversing the mess was not possible under the legal system, and after some modest changes the South Sea Company continued in existence for another 120 years (and some residual debt was only paid off in 2014). The scandals that had been exposed caused changes in public finances, and the Government benefitted from most of the previous debt now being in the hands of the South Sea shareholders. The aristocracy turned to their estates for more money, but could only get it by improving them. ‘Turnip’ Townsend and Coke of Norfolk showed the way. This led those with money to invest in improved toll roads, canals for the transport of heavy goods for the industrial revolution and eventually in railroads. Another Great Reset.

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      David Maddison

      Charles II repudiated all the state debt of England in 1672 in the “Great Stop of the Exchequer”. I.e. simply decided that massive state debts were not to be paid. The results were disastrous and many lenders went bankrupt and no one would lend money to the Government. This “dishonourable and perfidious action” as Gilbert Burnet wrote, ultimately lead to the the establishment of the Bank of England in 1694 although the fees and interest rate for lending to the Government were high and the previous debts were never repaid. The British Government never again defaulted on loan repayments.

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        PeterS

        Yes the introduction of central banks was only ever intended to give governments more room to go into temporary debt without causing major dramas. The problem now facing Western governments is the debts are no longer temporary and they are getting bigger and bigger. Eventually the “lender of last resort” which is what the central banks officially are, will not be actually be the last resort as they start to default themselves. The actual mechanisms of how they will get to that point is complex and would take too long to explain here. Suffice to say the pied piper has to be paid one day.

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          Graeme No.3

          PeterS:

          I take it you aren’t acquainted with the Mississippi bubble in France. A bank was founded by John Law to provide sound currency, i.e. banknotes with a guaranteed refund of gold at their time of issue. That avoided the common practice of Kings, Rulers etc. of debasing the coinage, and was immediately accepted and popular. Unfortunately John Law had ambitions and the bank financed the takeover of various trading companies (French India, Mississippi (hence usual name), Tobacco monopoly and the right to collect taxes).
          Finance was by printing notes, no longer guaranteed in value, but necessary for buying the company shares which soared from 350 to 20,000 (this was when the word millionaire appeared). The Government was enthusiastic in the printing of notes, (having taken over the bank) at one time it had 6 printing companies working around the clock. What followed was massive inflation, followed by collapse in the market and depression. The government blamed John Law and tried to get back to the old way, which hadn’t worked anyway. The South Sea Bubble was a copycat scam but England was saved from the worst by the greed of the promoters who tried to get much of the gains for themselves.
          There are parallels with current practices of generating huge supplies of ‘money’ and signs of rising inflation.

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            PeterS

            I take it you don’t understand the difference between money printing and quantitative easing. They are completely different approaches leading potentially to completely different paths. The former typically leads to hyperinflation whereas the latter could just as easily lead to massive deflation, aka depression, given much of the “easing” is pushing up assets prices to extremely overbought levels. Have you noticed the property and stock markets lately? Even in the US now property is going gang busters. Their stock markets are way over the top and still appear to be going much higher. Once they stop their quantitative easing, and reduce their bond and buy-backs, watch out!

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              Graeme No.3

              Exactly what happened in France (and England) in 1720.
              In the boom Stock (shares/ debentures)prices soared, followed by property prices**, then ordinary goods.
              In the crash Stock prices crashed as few wanted to buy and lots wanted to sell. Sir Isaac Newton said that he has lost £20,000 when the average labourer in (better paid) Kent earned about £15 a year.
              The Duchess of Marlborough made a fortune because she never believed “that two and two add up to more than four”. That’s why Winston Churchill was born at the family owned Blenheim Palace.
              The stock in South Sea started around 110-130, went up to 1,000, then down to 78, stabilising (after the ‘rescue’) around 120. At least it remained in existence unlike Mississippi.

              **Estates in England rose from 30 years purchase i.e. 3.3% return to 45-47 years or 2.2% return, and then dropped back to low levels as there were few buyers but lots of desperate sellers. There was a depression which gradually eased in England as the climate warmed.

              Quantitative easing and printing money have the same effect – just another way of expanding credit or, if you like, putting more marbles in play. The bankers love either.

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          RickWill

          The problem now facing Western governments is the debts are no longer temporary and they are getting bigger and bigger.

          Why is that a problem? Debt provides an income stream when interest rates go negative. There are a number of countries with negative interests. In Denmark, citizens can take out negative interest mortgages.
          https://www.businessi.com.au/2019/08/23/a-danish-bank-is-offering-mortgages-at-a-0-5-negative-interest-rate-meaning-it-is-basically-paying-people-to-borrow-money/

          Jyske Bank, Denmark’s third-largest bank, said this week that customers would now be able to take out a 10-year fixed-rate mortgage with an interest rate of -0.5%, meaning customers will pay back less than the amount they borrowed.

          Looking at government debt, denominated in the sovereign currency, is simply a non-issue. The key economic factor for any country except the USA is its current account. USA issues the global money and has no need to hold other currencies because USD can be used anywhere. Australia has done very well during the Covid era with respect to current account:
          https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/current-account
          Very healthy indeed as the woke nations head into the Random Energy abyss needing all the hard stuff made in China, using Australian commodities, to extract the energy from the weather.

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          Custer Van Cleef

          The way Central Banks worldwide have been operating for decades, is a big problem.

          That is their rampant Digital Money Printing; and releasing it to their chums in the financial world so they can go on another buying spree with virtually free money (at a near zero interest rate).
          The result is endless inflation, seen in property prices and other assets … leading to the ever upwards concentration of wealth.

          Governments don’t care: they think if they can keep a lid on grocery prices, they can con the gullible that “inflation is low”.

          It all hurts young people the most, I suppose … such as young couples who would like to get on the property ladder but are faced with ridiculous prices their parents never had to pay. They should be rebelling in the streets … but being snowflakes, they’ve been trained to look for woke policies at election time — anyway, it doesn’t matter how they vote: the Uniparty gets back in again and nothing changes (with respect to monetary policy).

          Voting nowadays is merely a choice between a “woke policy” and a “slightly less” woke policy, that is, only stuff that doesn’t affect the billionaire class (who like it that way and keep it that way).
          Changing monetary policy with your ballot, is never an option.

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            Graeme No.3

            Custer Van Cleef:

            Standard neo-Keynesian economics. He advocated deficit spending in the aftermath of the Great Depression as a short term remedy, but saw that the result would be inflation. After WW2 he was more concerned about continuing inflation but died.
            Various “Disciples” interpreted his rather difficult writings as Neo-Keynesian theory i.e. Governments could run deficits and inflation would gradually wipe out the borrowings. This worked until about 1970, because the increase in government control by the inevitable increase in the Public Service dampened economic growth (Parkinson’s Law). The greater the proportion of the economy relying on taxation and exempt from hardship, the lower the overall growth.
            Various countries in Asia realised this, and their lower regulation, lower taxation economies enjoyed strong growth. That they then suffered the problems of pollution (as had the Europeans before) so they then had to do something about it, as people with rising lifestyle started to complain, hence increased bureaucracy and regulation, and lower growth.
            Margaret Thatcher re-invigorated the UK by slashing the public service in half, and has never been forgiven by some.
            Australia has adopted the Louis the fourteenth principle of concentrating power in one place, isolated from the real world, where the new aristocracy can play and demand more money from the increasingly oppressed peasants. Versailles on the Molongo. Isolated from real life, our rulers cannot understand why we are restless, but rely on neither side of politics trying to change anything. It took nearly 70 years for the French to resort to revolution. How long in Australia?

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              Custer Van Cleef

              Graeme, the first step is a “revolution” in people’s minds.
              If people continue to turn away from the MSM, there is hope…

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        Graeme No.3

        Even sooner it led to the Stewarts never being welcomed by the City.

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    R.B.

    Is cynically pretending to care in order to gain more influence (or power through intimidation) becoming so common as to be morally acceptable? Are we giving a lot of power to sociopaths in return for fixing fake problems or curing all the ills of society (especially the ones resulting from everyone can be an idiot on any given day eg Taylor Walker)? I’m asking because our betters seem to be reluctant to second guessing themselves – offended at the suggestion, even. They are extremely quick to label any criticism of their approach as the work of Big _____.

    It’s not just exaggerating human influences on the climate. “If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem” is the sole reasoning for some of the dumbest governing humanity has seen in centuries.

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      PeterS

      If anyone has not yet figured out that Western civilisation is on the decline then they never will and one day will get the rudest shock of their life. There is still hope it could be turned around but it will require a Herculean effort on the part of many people in new governments and big businesses throughout the Western world. Fat chance of that happening. I rate the chance of winning lotto a hundred times in a row with one entry much higher.

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        Broadie

        Have you read ‘Voltaires Bastards’ by John Raulston Saul?

        May the tribe that takeover from us be kind to us.

        Personally I am still in the fight, but the ‘New Normal’ are pretty loyal to their cult leaders and are still enjoying their jabs of the ‘Clot Shot’. It’s a bit like the Nazi Salute, you must feel like you are joining in and doing your bit. Certainly similar, transferring your loyalty and your children’s future to a bunch of Totalitarian Fascists.

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          PeterS

          Yes morality is one of the first wheels that falls off in any civilisation. I’ts nothing new. It happens time and time again. We never learn from history so we keep repeating them.

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    Lance

    New Hope in the Battle Against COVID-19

    “Since the virus is constantly evolving, we instead focused on the non-evolving human receptor called ACE2 that acts as a gateway for the virus,” This approach is not susceptible to new emerging virus variants, which is one of the main challenges in fighting the pandemic.

    https://content.ouccc.org/new-hope-in-the-battle-against-covid-19/

    Full reference paper:

    SARS-CoV-2 variant prediction and antiviral drug design are enabled by RBD in vitro evolution

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-021-00954-4

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    Lance

    No update to budesonide guidance as study confirms Covid efficacy

    Results published in The Lancet have confirmed the benefit of inhaled budesonide in Covid recovery in higher risk patients in the community.

    But the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) said advice to only prescribe the treatment on a ‘case by case’ basis remains in place for now.

    https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/respiratory/no-update-to-budesonide-guidance-as-study-confirms-covid-efficacy/

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      PeterS

      This is bad news.

      Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant Among Vaccinated Healthcare Workers, Vietnam

      Interpretation: Breakthrough Delta variant infections are associated with high viral loads, prolonged PCR positivity, and low levels of vaccine-induced neutralizing antibodies, explaining the transmission between the vaccinated people. Physical distancing measures remain critical to reduce SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant transmission.

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        Mantaray

        A couple of months back I saw the Sucharit Bhakdi interview in the Perspectives on The Pandemic series, and that was the final straw for me. A quick distillation.

        The gene therapies injections programme your cells to make their own Spike-Protein (which is usually found on the outside of Corona Viruses), meant to be attacked by your immune system, to then creat Antibodies for the next maybe-infection from outside the body enterring.. There are also some waste products associated with this spike-Protein production..

        The mRNA disappears, but the programming remains. So, what stops the programme reactivating on it’s own (= self infecting the host human) at some stage, AND what happens to the waste?

        Answers: nothing (=you get self-infected), AND the wastes are attacked by the immune system since they are not supposed to be there, which equals disease (coughing, fever, lung malfunction etc)

        Long story short: the gene therapies initiate future infections and disease. This was “speculation” from Bhakti, but since no truly rigorous nor long-term trials have been done to disprove it, i suspect he nailed it in ONE!

        BTW: The health care workers are ALWAYS coming into contact with the “wild” virus, and are vaxed = their own cells are reactivated because of the mRNA (or DNA) programming they had via injections. Simple.

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          Analitik

          what stops the programme reactivating on it’s own (= self infecting the host human)

          I doubt this. The “programming” is only in those cells that get “infected” by the mRNA or the adenovirus DNA and these get killed off as part of the immune response to the spike proteins (this is why gene therapy always fails when the intention is for a permanent genetic effect).

          What is more likely is that, a real infection from SAR-CoV-2 occurs and the antibodies produced in response to the vaccine suppresses the disease imperfectly since the spike protein in the variant differs from that induced by the vaccines (Delta vs Wuhan).

          Also, the spike proteins all by themselves produce those reactions you listed (coughing, fever, lung malfunction etc) as it is a toxin. This is my biggest fear from vaccination as they cause your body to express who know how many but certainly a huge number of the spike proteins and some have been proven to get into the bloodstream to some extent rather than all staying put in the region of the injection site as was designed.

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        Analitik

        This is the portion of the abstract that should be of most concern

        The absence of correlation between neutralizing antibody levels and peak viral loads suggested that vaccine might not lower the infectivity of breakthrough cases

        backed up in the body by

        we found no correlation between vaccine-induced neutralizing antibody levels at diagnosis and the development of respiratory symptoms or viral loads (i.e. infectivity). Thus, while neutralizing antibodies might be a surrogate of protection, especially against severe diseases as a whole, they might not be good indicators of disease progression and infectiousness for breakthrough Delta variant infection

        The other point to consider is

        Phylogenetically, the 23 sequences clustered tightly together but were separated from the contemporary Delta variant sequences obtained from cases of community transmission in HCMC, suggestive of ongoing transmission between the vaccinated people

        So the genomic sequencing indicates that with the Delta variant, the vaccines will not stop transmission even amongst the vaccinated. Yippee..

        Now waiting for the “not yet peer reviewed” comments

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    WXcycles

    Hurricane Ida’s eye is now fully over ‘land’ and showing no sign of the eye degrading, plus it’s headed directly towards western New Orleans city at this time, as a Cat 4. The swamp is of course now covered in a deep storm-surge, plus crossed at high tide, so to all intents the eye may as well be moving over a shallow bay of warm water still. I did expect some weakening but there doesn’t seem to be any occurring as yet. It’s moving north at ~16 km/h recently with pretty much the worst situation for New Orleans levee and pumping system as the rain is intense and there will be more time for river flooding to build ahead of high winds and waves.

    https://i.imgur.com/tq5ra8i.gif

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    PeterS

    Now the west builds walls and lays barbed wire!

    Walls going up in Europe as a result of the Afghanistan issue. Also, I wonder how many Westerners have been left to die in Afghanistan. Some sources claim it could be into the thousands and Australians are also among the unfortunate ones. Not surprising given PM Morrison is a habitual liar.

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    WXcycles

    First Levee breach just reported at Plaquemines Parish …

    https://twitter.com/NWSNewOrleans/status/1432098829193601033

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      WXcycles

      Latest wind speed speed is 130 kt continuous in the eye wall, still a strong Cat 4, definitely moving northwards during the past hour, eye-wall and inner core will begin to cover the western half of New Orleans from here.

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    redress

    For those wishing to go the antiviral route rather than the experimental vaccine track, here is the Ivermectin Protocol for Covid-19 by Professor Dr. Thomas Borody (and you can download the PDF). Of great interest is his recommendation for an alternative should you not be able to get Stromectol.

    https://rentry.co/borody-protocol

    Also, this website is a gold mine of information on Covid. Search until you find the video “The Truth About the Covid 19 Vaccine”. Well worth the 56 minutes of your time.

    https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/

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    another ian

    “The Decline And Fall Of The American Empire”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/08/29/the-decline-and-fall-of-the-american-empire-9/

    Check the second example!

    Shades of Spike Milligan’s “War History” but on steroids

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      PeterS

      Yes, the CCP must be drooling over a possible takeover of Taiwan now that the US has lost so much credibility.

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        Sceptical Sam

        They’ll need to contend with America’s Drooler-in-Chief first.

        He’ll not be out-drooled by a pack of drooling commies.

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    OldOzzie

    Moderna Vaccine Halted In Okinawa After Contamination From “Black Substances”

    Three days after the Japanese Ministry of Health announced that they were pulling 1.6 million doses of Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine due to contamination in some vials that ‘reacts to magnets’ and which led to the deaths of at least two men in their 30s who died after receiving their second dose of the Moderna vaccine, two prefectures have halted or limited its use after more contaminated vials were discovered, according to Japan’s public broadcaster, NHK, and The Korea Times, citing local reports.

    The move comes as the Japanese health ministry said it’s investigating the August deaths of two men who received doses from tainted Moderna batches.

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    David Maddison

    I suppose everyone realises by now that in Vicdanistan, the evil and corrupt TaliDan regime has extended the sixth lock up essentially indefinitely. It was meant to end on 2nd September 2021, having been extended two or three times.

    It will be extended until “people start doing the right thing” according to Dan. Yes, the people are to blame for the virus created as a bioweapon by his beloved Chi-comm masters.

    Many or even most small businesses won’t survive this last lock up, at least those that haven’t already been destroyed. And there will be more suicides. But that’s part of the plan, isn’t it?

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      Serp

      The spiteful grub has shown nothing but disdain for the people of Victoria; if we’re lucky some time in the next fourteen months he will enact the killer overreach which disgusts all sides; he must be cock-a-hoop that people have expressed support for firing on crowds and will try to build on that success.

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        OriginalSteve

        Victorians are letting it happen though…..

        At what point do Victorians actually grow backbones and say “Enough”!

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          PeterS

          It depends on what happens with the vaccines. If things turn bad then expect a civil uprising. If things go well then people will get enough of their freedoms back and they will be happy as much as they are aloof.

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    David Maddison

    In Australia, how much can we trust government claims of:

    1) Daily totals of “cases” which are not cases in the clinical sense but positive PCR test results which may or may not become genuine cases (and it seems in Australia PCR replication rates of 45 are used, even Lord Fauci says anything beyond 39 is meaningless and likely to yield false positives).

    2) How much can we trust death rates for COVID? Did the people die of or with the disease? Did they have commodities like the 30 year old who died of heart failure and was treated for such by paramedics but by the time he got to hospital that had become covid, even though he tested negative the previous day?

    I no longer trust any claim by government about covid or anything else, and neither do most thinking people.

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      David Maddison

      Correction, a typo. In my point 1) 39 was meant to be 30.

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      PeterS

      I’ve started to trust our governments less and less a long time ago. Just recently I’ve lost all trust in what they are saying is true. For example, PM Morrison claims all Australians soldiers and personnel have been pulled out of Afghanistan. That is not the whole story. There are many Australians left behind.

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        Dennis

        Very difficult for Australia to continue to rescue people in Afghanistan with little or no support from allies who are pulling out.

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          PeterS

          True, which is why they should have started months ago as per Trump’s plan. Instead Biden made it political and delayed the evacuation.

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      my beloved mother in law LOL is a retired chartered accountant who being so bored in VicDanistan started crunching reported numbers at the start of the wung flu plandemic but nothing added up, and l mean nothing
      she had data from all different government sources and could never get the same tally as was reported in the daily Dans every morning or what was reported for her area
      this started my scepticism and l could see from all around the world the same, especially from the worldometer
      it is widely reported why the PCR test cannot be trusted and how it can give what ever result they want

      does anyone know what tests are being used to distinguish the difference between wuhan and delta?
      and what test are they going to use after Dec 31st?

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    James Murphy

    Who needs peer review when we can just see if Social Media has banned any discussions on a paper?
    Somewhat facetious, but it does make you wonder…

    I’m not knowledgable enough about the subject to know if this study is good or bad, but there is an Israeli paper that claims natural immunity from infection is 13 times more effective than the vaccines. Twitter got all upset about it.

    link to article about being banned:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/twitter-permanently-bans-alex-berenson-after-viral-tweets

    link to paper:
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

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      OldOzzie

      Conclusions:

      This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger
      protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the
      Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced
      immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and
      given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta
      variant.

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        OldOzzie

        Natural Immunity for the WIN! Israel Study Suggests COVID-19 Vaccine and Mitigation Policies Should Change Now

        The debate that never should have started is over. Thankfully, one nation in the world recognized natural immunity to COVID-19 in their vaccine program and has the data to force the issue in other countries. All Israelis are required to enroll in one of four national health funds. Maccabi Healthcare Services (MHS) covers 26% of the population and maintains centralized electronic medical records, which researchers anonymized and analyzed.

        Israel used the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine exclusively in their national vaccination program. When it implemented a vaccine passport program, the previously infected were provided with a passport and excluded from the vaccination push. Later, these individuals were allowed to receive one dose of the vaccine if they chose to, but it was not required to maintain their passports.

        The preprint study includes over 700,000 Israelis in a matched cohort methodology. It includes MHS members 16 years and older who were vaccinated or had a documented SARS-CoV-2 infection before February 28, 2021. It compared those who were vaccinated and never infected, the recovered, and those who opted to take the single vaccine dose. The rich data set includes vaccination with dates, diagnosed infections, symptom profiles, hospitalizations, and deaths. Researchers evaluated four outcomes: documented RT-PCR confirmed SARS-CoV-2 disease, COVID-19, COVID-19-related hospitalization, and death.

        After adjusting for comorbidities, there was a 13-fold increased risk for a breakthrough infection following vaccination instead of reinfection after recovery. The vaccinated subjects had a 27-fold increased risk for symptomatic COVID-19 than the previously recovered. There were eight hospitalized patients among the vaccinated and one among the recovered cohort. Thankfully, there were no deaths.

        When researchers compared the recovered with and without a single vaccine dose, the differences were slight. Out of 14,029 subjects, the unvaccinated experienced 37 positive tests while those with a single dose had 20. Symptomatic disease occurred in 16 patients who received a single dose and 23 of their unvaccinated counterpoints. The increased risk for those without the vaccine is less than one-fold. No one died of COVID-19.

        With such a large study population, these findings should have immediate implications for public policy.

        Any city, employer, or educational institution requiring individuals to get vaccinated should amend their policy immediately to allow for proof of infection or immunity as acceptable. Any institution with mask mandates that apply only to the unvaccinated must amend them to recognize recovered individuals. Employees, students, and residents should insist.

        An antibody or T-detect test should suffice in place of a vaccine. A recent study estimates that roughly one-third of the U.S. population had COVID-19 by the end of 2020. Unfortunately, testing identified less than 25% of the cases. Since the federal government is encouraging these mandates, they should provide free immunity tests the same way they provide free vaccines.

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    David Maddison

    Questions of mine which weren’t answered on the last Thursday Open Thread:

    The Oxford-AstraZeneca uses a chimpanzee adenovirus as a vector to produce the spike protein inside the body. The virus is said to have been modified to prevent its replication.

    Questions:

    1) What are the chances that this virus will somehow regain the ability to replicate?

    2) What are the chances that through some defect it may develop, it starts producing a protein other than what is intended?

    3) How long does the virus stay in the body until it “dies” or does it work indefinitely?

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      PeterS

      I didn’t see that before. No one can answer those sorts of questions of course to a good degree of certainty, at least not without lengthy trial that will take many years to complete.

      Most likely answers:
      1) > 0
      2) > 0
      3) not long at all I suspect, perhaps months to years, given the fact if the virus, and in fact any virus did live indefinitely then past pandemics would have wiped out the whole world many times over by now.

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      David Maddison

      To clarify point 3), I was referring to how long the chimpanzee adenovirus stays “alive” in the body, not the covid virus.

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        PeterS

        I see. I don’t really don’t know. The point being is there is so much we don’t know about the whole topic it’s scary in itself. It’s perhaps the reason why so many have gone hard on the issue at the exclusion though of all other factors that we have discussed. It already is starting to appear we are throwing the baby out with the bath water. Someone might be out there to catch the baby just in time but the problem I see is that person might have far more sinister intentions, if you know what I mean. Only time will tell.

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        Analitik

        Point 1, I see as unlikely just with the years of experimentation with adenovirus vector vaccines.
        Point 2, I see as impossible due to point 1.
        Point 3 is that like all virons, those in the adenovirus vector vaccines can at most infect a single cell. At that point it is “used up”

        My concerns have always been
        a) how many adenovirus vector virons are delivered per dose?
        b) how many spike proteins are expressed by cells that have been infected by the adenovirus vector viron?
        c) what is the mobility of the spike proteins are expressed by cells (ie how firmly are they attached to the cell wall)?

        The toxicity of the spike proteins is my biggest concern beyond that of the gene therapy used for delivery with the current vaccines.

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          Custer Van Cleef

          Good questions and I’d like to know:

          If one has to have these things in one’s body, then whose Spike Proteins are to be preferred — the Wuhan-Fauci-funded ones; or those from Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZenica etc.
          If I want to keep my ACE2 receptors clear for their proper function, whose spikes are the least threatening?

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          Analitik

          Whoops – a) should have been “how many mRNA particles or adenovirus vector virons are delivered per dose?”

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          Fran

          After contact with 4 people vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines, I have had 4 episodes of burning/tingling in my hands and feet along with some malaise. Just got the chance to find out if the same happens with the AZ viral vector stuff: it does. Also, my son got patches of purpura on skin after his girlfriend got vaccinated.

          I think the vaccinated shed spike protein for 2-4 days after the shot. The consequences are anyone’s guess, but it makes me very leary about getting vaccinated.

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            Analitik

            Thanks Fran. It certainly blows out of the water the claim for the expressed spike proteins staying fixed at the injection site.

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      1. Zero. It is just coat proteins with no adenovirus genetic material.
      2. None. The effect is short and the virus would need to replicate (see 1)
      3. Look it up but not long as it does not replicate. Each inert virus acts once.

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        Peter C

        That is a bit reassuring Gee Aye,

        Are you are saying that each modified adenovirus particle contains only the mRNA for the spike protein and no other genetic material. Hence the adenovirus cannot replicate itself and only the infected cell can produce spike protein (until it dies).

        Can you confirm that?

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          Sceptical Sam

          You’d better think about that again, PeterC.

          David Maddison’s question at #21 was about AZ.

          Do you not understand the difference?

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            Peter C

            The Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine is a replication-deficient simian adenovirus vector, containing the full‐length codon‐optimised coding sequence of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein along with a tissue plasminogen activator (tPA) leader sequence.[49][50]

            The adenovirus is called replication-deficient because some of its essential genes were deleted and replaced by a gene coding for the spike protein. Following vaccination, the adenovirus vector enters the cells and releases its genes, which are transported to the cell nucleus; thereafter the cell’s machinery does the transcription into mRNA and the translation into proteins.[51]

            The protein of interest is the spike protein, an external protein that enables the SARS-type coronavirus to enter cells through the enzymatic domain of ACE2.[52] Producing it following vaccination will prompt the immune system to attack the coronavirus through antibodies and T-cells if it later infects the body.[4]

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford%E2%80%93AstraZeneca_COVID-19_vaccine

            Gee Aye is partly incorrect (with respect to the virus genome).

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    David Maddison

    Even though Biden was fraudulently “elected”, obviously some people really did vote for and support him.

    How much longer can his supporters, which includes just about the entire legacy and new tech media keep denying the obvious?

    That is, Biden is obviously mentally incompetent for office, and even though his handlers tell him what to say and do (and he usually gets that wrong), it is still a bad look for the United States. Probably that’s part of the plan as well as his handlers, including Obama, want to diminish American power and economic might and ultimately destroy the United States both as a concept and as a country.

    However, even by the low standards of the Democrats, there must be some traditional Kennedy and slightly later era Dems who want the US to survive? Back in the 1960’s and even 1970’s Democrats at least pretended that they were for the US, although not any more.

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      PeterS

      They just have to try harder next time to commit even more fraud to compensate for the fact some Democrats have lost trust in their own party. It wouldn’t be that hard given not many even on the other side are taking the fraud seriously. Even many so called conservatives in the MSM don’t consider it seriously enough. Andrew Bolt for example doesn’t appear to believe there was any fraud the last time I watched him over a year ago. That’s one reason why I’ve stopped watching that jelly back so called conservative.

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      Sceptical Sam

      How much longer can his supporters, which includes just about the entire legacy and new tech media keep denying the obvious?

      Don’t be silly.

      Why would the marionettists want to do that?

      They’re in power, They’re in control. They’re making money.

      Why would they care? They know President Trump is coming. They know he’ll fix it after they’ve had their fill.

      They know he’ll secure the border. Squash the internal saboteurs such a BLM, Antifa and the reds under the beds. Start fracking bigtime. Scrap the greenies boondoggle and the IPCC. Re-arm the defence force after sacking the incompetent leadership that’s led America to this dismal state of affairs. Clean the commies out of the administration. Arm Taiwan to the teeth – maybe even give it nuclear capability with its own big red button. Negotiate a reworking of the Japanese Constitution to remove the “Self-defence” clause and replace it with an offensive capability clause. Get the coal miners back to work and the steel mills firing. Bring back the American manufacturing from around the world. Make the cowardly EU pay its own way for its own security. Get Vladimir Putin onside as a northern bulwark against Xi Jinping. Get the Taliban to fire up the Uighers and give the CCP something to worry about on their own turf. Arm and back Israel as the only democracy in the Middle East.

      Ah. Life will be good.

      America will again take its rightful place in the world.

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        Lucky

        I hope that was a genuine list, it all sounds good to me.
        Desirable, yes. Achievable ?

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          Sceptical+Sam

          Genuine?

          Of course it’s genuine.

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          Serp

          I thought he was mocking the aims of the former Trump administration.

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            Sceptical+Sam

            Well Serp, it just goes to show how wrong you are. When have I ever mocked anybody? 🙂

            I inadvertently left the following off the list:

            Bring the social media behemoths to heal. Legislate to make the censorious Google, Facebook, Twitter wowsers abide by the same laws as other publishers.

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    dinn, rob

    how Obama + pals set up Sars2 vaccine monopoly/propaganda machine–8 steps https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/08/how-obama-pals-set-up-sars2-vaccine.html

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      OldOzzie

      Fascinating Article

      how Obama + pals set up Sars2 vaccine monopoly/propaganda machine–8 steps

      1) 8-20-21 (LifeSiteNews) – Shortly before leaving office, President Obama and his administration took some actions regarding pandemics and “global health security” which some may find interesting.

      First, President Obama’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology (PCAST), led by John Holdren, wrote and published a letter to the President with multiple recommendations;…letter released on 11-15-2016.

      the “new interagency entity” should be charged with developing, within six months, a national biodefense strategy—including short-, medium-, and long-term components—to anticipate, prepare for, and respond to all issues that arise as biotechnology continues to advance… (Page 14)

      For infectious organisms that might be reasonably anticipated to lead to sudden epidemic spread that could threaten the U.S. population or U.S. interests overseas, the United States should have pre-tested vaccine candidates through safety and immunogenicity studies. (Page 15) Included in the recommendation for vaccines are approaches that “rely on antigens expressed by RNA and nucleic acid analogs to stimulate protective immunity against specific pathogen epitopes.” (Page 16)

      https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-ordered-fbi-implement-globalist-health-agenda/ Thus everything but the vaccine mandate was put in print and previously in 2013 set into motion by DARPA’s $33 million grant for RNA vaccines to Moderna, Pfizer and a smaller vax company. A monopoly plan by the government and/or Establishment. -r

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    David Maddison

    For those in the prison states, here is some lock up viewing for you.

    1) Comparing the Biden regime to Macbeth. No wonder the Left no longer want Shakespeare taught.
    https://youtu.be/9MNwh5H1A0k

    2) Latest from ” Awaken with JP” on Biden’s “17 Greatest Achievements”.
    https://youtu.be/Eq_wELID80c

    3) Biden does not lead so President Trump makes a leadership statement on Biden’s behalf. Excellent!
    https://youtu.be/nfnzQk3D9sY

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      PeterS

      The really scary bit is the fact the US military has gone woke. They are far more concerned about critical race theory, gender identity and the like than defending their own country. The next phase change to watch out for is if and when the military are turned against their own citizens. It will be interesting to see the reaction given they have the 2nd Amendment for the specific purpose of people having the right to defend themselves against oppressors from within. Will the people be so dumbed-down they won’t bother to use that right? We shall see.

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    David Maddison

    Do patients who are hospitalised in Australia for COVID receive Vit D supplementation if they are deficient? And are otherwise harmless antivirals such as HCQ and IVM with zinc provided? Even if they are claimed to be ineffective, it used to be a principle of medicine that you would try everything to save someone. What is there to lose if HCQ and IVM are used, even if detractors claim it is ineffective?

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      Gary Simpson

      I have wondered the same thing. If so many are ill with the China variant in our hospitals, what are they treating them with? And why are our ‘gold standard, world’s best practice’ health experts not advising the general population to have this mystery medication on hand to optimise our immune systems? That would be too much like real health advice, I suppose.

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      Forrest Gardener

      I’d go back a step and ask what tests and treatments are in use in hospitals. Hopefully it is something more than placebos and monitoring of vital statistics.

      And my snarky side says that if we had functioning journalists we’d know the answers by now.

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        Serp

        Journalists are too smart to tell us stuff that’ll cost them their jobs and send them straight to skid row unable ever to work again in their chosen industry.

        Everybody’s sitting tight and waiting for the mess the world has arrived at to disappear of its own accord, waiting for the rest of our lives maybe and then some.

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      Stan

      Yes, indeed. Even if ivermectin triple protocol is only 10% more effective than a placebo, the benefit/cost ratio must be through the roof because it is known very safe and also very cheap. That they are no even trying it, or even willing to discuss it at all, tells us a lot about what governments want out of this.

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      Analitik

      But the TGA has re-evaluated HCQ and IVM as “dangerous”. After decades of safe use by millions (billions for IVM if livestock were to be included).

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      Hanrahan

      If Vit D deficient on presentation they need an IV of the immediately available form. Neither it nor Vit C can be raised sufficiently orally.

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    Brenda Spence

    While talking to relatives in the UK last night, they told us about the rapid antigen test they are using. Given free by the NHS, they can test themselves before they go to a public gathering or if they get any symptoms. Quick and fairly accurate (probably as accurate as PCR!) apparently.

    The blurb from the NHS says to use it in case you are asymptomatic and could be positive…..??

    They are not available to the public in Australia. Why not? Could save a lot of trouble and money.

    Would be very useful for those of us with our ivermectin supplies.

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    David Maddison

    In NSW is it actually legal to discriminate against the unvaccinated? (I assume there are similar laws in other states.)

    https://antidiscrimination.nsw.gov.au/anti-discrimination-nsw/discrimination/types-of-discrimination/infectious-diseases-discrimination.html

    See link for summary but in part it says:

    Infectious diseases discrimination

    What is infectious diseases discrimination?

    Infectious diseases discrimination is against the law. 

    It is when you have been treated unfairly because:

    you have an infectious diseasepeople think you have an infectious disease

    you used to have an infectious disease

    you may acquire an infectious disease in the future

    you are the friend, relative or colleague of a person with an infectious disease.

    According to propaganda, the claim is thst you are liable to get covid if you don’t have the vax. To discriminate on the basis of unvaxed status seems to be illegal according to the above.

    In any case, the vax does not stop you getting or giving covid.

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    David Maddison

    Some of my thoughts on Australia’s future. I wrote these just at the beginning of the plandemic.

    Where does Australia’s future lie?

    *Agriculture is being shut down because the government prefers to empty irrigation water into the sea. And Greens and other leftards want to shut down animal production. Dams are close to impossible to get built. No vision for large scale irrigation.

    *Industry is being shut down due to expensive gas, electricity and feral unions plus unreasonable regulations.

    *One of the world’s most fanatical beliefs in anthropogenic global warming and fanatical commitment to unreliable and expensive weather-dependent electricity production.

    *Rocks (minerals) can be sourced cheaper in Africa from the numerous Chinese colonies there. And Greens want to shut down the coal industry.

    *Tourism for overseas visitors is very expensive as it is for locals. It is cheaper for locals to holiday overseas.

    *Tertiary education is currently a good export earner but comes at the cost of extremely dumbed down degrees which are impossible to fail thus damaging Australia’s reputation long term.

    *Commercial fishing has been made difficult or impossible by excessive regulations hence large fisheries imports, many from disgusting fish farms in Third World countries or polluted waters.

    *There are severe restrictions on exploring for oil and gas.

    * Nuclear electricity production and nuclear submarines are prohibited.

    *We have some of the most expensive real estate prices in the world due to lack of policies conducive to decentralisation.

    *The welfare system is unsustainable and many choose a life on welfare, especially some new immigrants who will never work as they have no employable skill.

    *High levels of immigration from some people who will never assimilate or work and contribute nothing but trouble.

    *Foreign borrowings by government are massive and it’s difficult to see how they can be repaid.

    *There are more and more regulations affecting every aspect of economic and other activity and Nanny Statism is out of control.

    *The government has a fanatical commitment to implementing virtually every decree from a corrupt and incompetent and Third World oriented UN which actively works to destroy Western Civilisation.

    *Mismanagement of C-19 plus refusal to allow possible treatments such as HCQ. Economic destruction as a result of massive government spending and forced shutdowns.

    *A public service which is afraid to give independent advice but merely state what the government wants to hear. All appointments at a senior level given to government sycophants.

    *Australia has no worthy leader like Trump and we have little hope but to become a third rate Western-style country such as Venezuela.

    *The government, even supposedly conservative ones, spend without constraint.

    *I’m sure I have missed many issues in this short list…

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      Brenda Spence

      Excellent sumation! Australia the lucky country….once!

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        David Maddison

        In 1976 Donald Horne clarified the meaning of his famous 1964 misquote:

        Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people’s ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise.

        In 1976 he said:

        When I invented the phrase in 1964 to describe Australia, I said: ‘Australia is a lucky country run by second rate people who share its luck.’ I didn’t mean that it had a lot of material resources … I had in mind the idea of Australia as a [British] derived society whose prosperity in the great age of manufacturing came from the luck of its historical origins … In the lucky style we have never ‘earned’ our democracy. We simply went along with some British habits.

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          Greg in NZ

          “Australia’s future”

          point-for-point is

          New Zealand’s future as well.

          On a brighter note, Jo’s state of WA is in for a tickle of ‘gobull worming goodness’, ie. SNOW! this Wed/Thur (according to some models) bang-on the first day of meteorological Spring, 1st of September, on Bluff Knoll in the Stirling Range, Western Australia.

          AGW/CCC/CO2 causes both hurricanes AND snowstorms in the same week? Wonder what kind of ‘average’ that pans out to be.

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          Kalm Keith

          Australia, in 1964 was indeed a Wonderful Country with a hard working population and essentially no social security that the “unemployed” could live off.

          Coupled with the fact that most criminals were in gaol or completely removed from the community it was a relatively safe place to live.

          Sadly, all that work, saving and self discipline was thrown away in the late sixties and by the time Donald Horne wrote in 1976 the rot was highly evident and stank to high hell.

          Post 1975 Australia began its descent into the ugly aimless morass we deal with now. Unworkable.

          It has been a Golden Era for our politicians up till now but I believe that there will be a gigantic enema in the near future to right the “Lucky Ship Australia” from its capsized state.

          Let’s all push together.

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      Richard Ilfeld

      Or you could substitute “California” and no one would be any the wiser….
      And its all so simple.

      1. Expand government to do all kinds of things it need not.
      2. Appoint people based on political orthodoxy rather than competence.
      3. Face them with critical decisions.

      Works just as well in non-governmental operations as well.

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      PeterS

      Who needs enemies afar when we have them right here in both major parties, the MSM and education establishments? Sometimes I do wonder if we would be better off we are taken over by Russia. At least there will be a lot more churches built.

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “Crazy Government Responses to COVID Part 1: Understanding Incentives”

    https://coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2021/08/crazy-government-responses-to-covid-part-1-understanding-incentives.html

    “Crazy Government Responses to COVID Part 2: Feelz Before Facts”

    https://coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2021/08/crazy-government-responses-to-covid-part-2-feelz-before-facts.html

    Part 3 coming – “Part two of this series was originally going to be “managing to the wrong metrics,” and we will still get to that topic in part 3. “

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    David Maddison

    The United Nations is onto a real winner with Australia.

    Few, if any, countries are 100% compliant with all decrees from the UN as Australia is, no matter how much harm they cause to the country.

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    Tides of Mudgee

    With thanks to Another Ian in yesterday’s post on Cancel Culture, who put in a link to Eric Clapton’s latest song pushing back about COVID Dictates and Totalitarian Government, and on going into that link, I found this interview with Clapton about his experience of the experimental injection. No wonder he’s angry. ToM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbt8wIKMEY

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    James Murphy

    South Australian Labor Party spiel on their “hydrogen jobs plan”
    https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5eec58442fe1bbc5463e0e44/61149e074c3f60604f4fac9e_Policy-Hydrogen%20Jobs%20Plan.pdf

    The total capital cost of the hydrogen- fired CCT and its associated hydrogen supply chain is $593 million, consisting of:
    $220 million for a 250MWe electrolyser
    $31 million for 3,600 tonnes of liquefied hydrogen storage
    $342 million for a 200 MW CCT power station

    As an oil industry employee, I’m not worried about such a “jobs plan” because the way fossil fuels are being demonised, I’ll be in gaol for “crimes against the environment” before ever having to be concerned about finding another employer.

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      Maptram

      A couple of months ago there was a similar proposal to build a hydrogen plant. That proposal included a desal plant to supply water suitable for extraction of the hydrogen, but I don’t see any cost for a desal plant in the SA Labor Party proposal.

      Does SA have a working desal plant?
      If yes, what are the additional energy requirements of the desal plant?

      If no, what is the additional cost to build and operate a desal plant?

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        Maptram

        Sorry, I left out that the similar proposal was in WA in the Pilbara region.

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        Graeme No.3

        Yes, SA has a desalination plant that has been kept in working order but not delivering much water for years. It is just run regularly for a short time (using electricity from diesels).
        I would suggest that the whole idea was developed without any input from qualified engineers. Probably by those people who think that renewables supply the cheapest electricity, so hydrogen would be cheap. There are a few other quibbles, like a 200MW plant is a bit small for a CCGT one, and a bit big for an single OCGT. The other is that the flame temperature with hydrogen is beyond the operating range of turbine blades (hence Twiggy’s Illawarra project only using 5% hydrogen in natural gas). Also, burning hydrogen in air generates nitric oxides, which might be washed out of the exhaust – anybody want a supply of cheap nitric acid?

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          James Murphy

          H2 is such a small molecule, how could it possibly be expensive? (sarcasm intended)

          Surprisingly, it does exist in natural reservoirs, like Helium. Hydroma, a Canadian company, is hoping to exploit natural hydrogen in Mali.
          https://hydroma.ca/en/field-work/

          closer to home, Buru Energy is looking for natural hydrogen while drilling oil wells east of Broome.

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            Chad

            James Murphy
            August 30, 2021 at 12:04 pm ·
            Surprisingly, it does exist in natural reservoirs, like Helium. Hydroma, a Canadian company, is hoping to exploit natural hydrogen in Mali.
            https://hydroma.ca/en/field-work/

            closer to home, Buru Energy is looking for natural hydrogen while drilling oil wells east of Broome

            Wow ! ..
            ..thanks for that little nugget of info James.
            It proves that you can learn something new every day..
            …convention understanding has been that hydrogen was so reactive that it would never exist in pure form. If these resources are substantial, it puts a whole new ball in the energy game !
            P.S…..does that mean Hydrogen is a FOSSIL FUEL .. ?😱🤫👍

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      David Maddison

      I thought it was just Vicdanistan and its TaliDan regime that was insanely stupid enough to be pushing hydrogen.

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      Chad

      Dont worry, its a Labour plan, so it wont happen anyway !
      But if it did, ….yes there are a few issues in addition to the purified water supply required.
      Like the fact that no one has yet managed to make a CCGT that will run reliably on 100% H2
      Or the talk of storage for 3600T of LIQUID Hydrogen, but no mention of the compression/liquifaction plant required.
      Worst of all, allowing for the energy efficiency of these processes, in order to run the 200MW CCT generator for one hour , it would require approx 700 MWh input at the Electrolyser !..( near 3hrs run time)
      They would be well advised to use Fuel cells instead of the CCGT,..or burn a high% gas/H2 mix in the turbine.

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        Chad

        Common sense would suggest, they would be much better off constructing a 1GW pumped hydro storage facility instead..
        More jobs, more power, better efficiency…and established technology. ,!

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          Graeme No.3

          Chad:
          Where?

          SA isn’t well indowed with mountains with water, near the coast (where people live).

          The possible choice would be the west coast plateau, about 80-100m above sea level. A suitable (leak proof) basin might be a possibility. I did once calclate the area/volume needed (at 100m above sea level), of sufficient capacity to allow SA to be 100% renewables. unfortunately the ‘pond’ extended into WA and we all know how accomodating the Premier would be about that.

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    Analitik

    New Zealand’s lockdown continues to fail with new case numbers progressing as 38=>42=>63=>68=>70=>83=>84
    Victoria’s lockdown continues to fail with new case numbers progressing as 71=>51=>41=>76=>78=>63=>91

    Both Dan and Jacinda are looking to double down with further restrictions – the very definition of insantity

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      Forrest Gardener

      And in Victoria’s case the powers that be are blaming the populace for the restrictions not working.

      Oh for an effective opposition. Or an effective media. Or an effective public service.

      I guess the old adage holds true, if it is to be it is up to me.

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        Peter C

        I think you missed the point Gee Aye.

        But if you need help; => means “equal to or greater than”.

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        PeterS

        I think => used above is just to denote left to right. Usually, => is a lambda expression and >= is the greater than equal to sign. A lambda expression is a function that can be created without belonging to any class, and can be passed around as if it was an object and executed on demand. It’s used in languages like C#.

        For example,
        Func square = x => x * x;
        Console.WriteLine(square(5)); will print on the console the answer 25.

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    Analitik

    What is the status of those who have recovered from a CoViD infection?
    If they have antibodies from an actual infection, will they be afforded the same freedoms as those proposed for the “fully vaccinated”?

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      Forrest Gardener

      Probably yes but only after the powers that be acknowledge that the injection is not a vaccine and that injected people can still be infected and infectious. This might take a while.

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      Many jurisdictions allow evidence of recovery as being an equivalent to vaccination.

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      Grogery

      This same question has been on my mind.

      Will the Australian government consider non-jabbed citizens that have recovered from covid exempt from requiring a “passport” to live in our so-called free society?

      If so, how will they test citizens so they obtain this status?

      At the moment, all levels of government in Australia (along with the media) are obsessed with the jab (sorry, I cannot class it as a vaccine).

      I trust my health and would prefer to acquire natural immunity (my risk judgement) to a jab that is under scrutiny by doctors and virologists all over the world.

      I have friends and relatives all over Australia and do not know a single person who has had covid. However, I know many people that have been jabbed and had severe side-effects. Eg. Some had shingles, others were very sick to the point of taking a lengthy amount of work leave.

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        Analitik

        I have friends and relatives all over Australia and do not know a single person who has had covid. However, I know many people that have been jabbed and had severe side-effects. Eg. Some had shingles, others were very sick to the point of taking a lengthy amount of work leave

        Nonsense. RickWill, Gee Aye and Sceptical Sam would have mentioned them if this were true.

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          Single Malt

          I take it a step further Analitik. I don’t know anyone who has had Covid, nor do I know anyone who knows anyone who has had Covid. However, I cannot think of one person who I know either intimately or casually who has not been adversely affected by the idiotic reaction of our government to Covid – some to a mild degree, some catastrophically. This is a truly twisted, mean and depressing country we now live in. I want to get off the island.

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          Why invoke me? When have I ever partaken in science by anecdote?

          Am I an outlier for knowing people who had covid and only know people who are vaccinated and had no problems? I had my 2nd AZ 5 days ago and no side effects. Felt like a bunch of flu like symptoms with the first one. Well there is my anecdote so please add it to your data base.

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        yarpos

        Its such a small group, the recovered who would object to another vax vs 25 million ish others, that i doubt it is troubling the big minds in Government at the moment.

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        “I have friends and relatives all over Australia and do not know a single person who has had covid. However, I know many people that have been jabbed and had severe side-effects. Eg. Some had shingles, others were very sick to the point of taking a lengthy amount of work leave.”

        same here

        the people l know that have had side effects from the jab have not reported it and were never asked

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      PeterS

      The same sort but slight different type of question could be asked of the politicians and health experts, and the answer would be very revealing and might even expose they are truly telling all lies. What about those who are classed as positive from a PCR test? After all, if they are assumed to have the virus because of the [invalid] test, and regardless of whether they have had any symptoms at all, or if they did they are fully recovered after a few weeks, wouldn’t they be immune to the virus just as good if not better than those who are vaccinated? If the answer is yes then fine, issue passports for those people as well, not just for the vaccinated. If the answer is no because they don’t feel the test is good enough then BOOM!!!! All the positive tests are invalidated and the case numbers are inflated and therefore irrelevant.

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    Raving

    NSW 1,290 cases today. Still hangs in the balance

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    Travis T. Jones

    Watching the NSW daily Covid update, Gladys says again that if you are double jabbed you can still catch the dreaded lurgy and pass it on, but at 70% population double jabbed, certain freedoms will be afforded to the “fully vaccinated” that will not be available to the un-jabbed.

    She then says that at 70% there will be still be social distancing, mask wearing and lockdowns.

    So what are these freedoms?

    The freedoms we are promised are the same that will continue.

    Then Dr. Chant is asked about on going booster jabs for the “fully vaccinated”.

    She laughs and replies that there will always be booster shots.

    Guess the joke is on those who believed it would only be two jabs.

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        Hanrahan

        I’m tired of Sam and others taking the high moral ground and telling me what to do “for my own somebody’s good”.

        I am 79 and tired. I have never enjoyed crowds since I was a teenager and Mrs H is terminally ill so doesn’t want her frailty on public display so neither want to go out in a crowd. We have worked too hard for our money all our lives to spend it in restaurants so we eat well, cheaper at home. She is dependent on me and her little dog for her mental wellbeing.

        So what should I do? You would be lying if you were to say one side effect of the jab isn’t DEATH. It is. Do I take the jab now and risk DYING and leaving her in the care of others who could never comfort her as I can or do I continue our low risk behaviour in an area that has never had the virus in the wild? I have “prepared the terrain” and do not consider ourselves at risk in spite of our age.

        I am entitled to make my own decision without coercion from those assuming to be God.

        BTW Sam said earlier that the case fatality rate was 2.8%. That’s crap. It is below 1% and could be much lower if proper treatment was on offer.

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          Analitik

          Well said, Hanrahan.

          Sam’s 2.8% is the use of statistics to mislead – the vast majority of that 2.8% was from the outbreak in Victoria that swept through aged care centers last year. It has been well established that CoViD mortality is heavily skewed towards those who are infirm, either through age or comorbidities.

          So by presenting that naked percentage in isolation, Sam is doing what climate scientists and renewables advocates do – cherry pick figures to mislead.

          All the best to yourself and your lady, Hanrahan.

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          good onya “H” 😉

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          Annie

          Keep going Hanrahan. You are doing the right thing for you and your wife. I entirely see where you are coming from.
          Others, with differing circumstances, might see things differently. That’s theiir choice.
          My best wishes to you and Mrs H.

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          Hanrahan

          Thank for your kind wishes.

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    David Maddison

    Biden is an interesting exercise in how an utterly mentally incompetent “leader” can, through extensive self-delusion of his supporters, a highly compliant and unquestioning legacy media, and extensive censorship of information on the socialist media platforms can falsely appear to be in control.

    Nevertheless, are not any of his supporters able to see that there’s something “not quite right” with the guy?

    Could some of the resident Leftists please answer?

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      Hanrahan

      Nevertheless, are not any of his supporters able to see that there’s something “not quite right” with the guy?

      NOTHING will change a hater’s mind. It’s all Trump’s fault after all.

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        Single Malt

        A colleague and I joked about Biden’s comical public appearances the other day, and he said ‘at least he’s better than Trump’. So, being someone who is interested in and respects other people’s opinion, I asked ‘in what way?’. He replied ‘Oh, he’s just a bigoted, sexist war-monger.’ When I pressed for stuff about policy; you know, Afghanistan, the Middle East, the economy, immigration, energy etc., the response was more of the same vacuous, childish nonsense. My colleague is by-and-large a bright person, but typical of someone made lazy and dumbed down by MSM.

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          OldOzzie

          What’s your favourite Single Malt?

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          yarpos

          I have ex work colleagues like that. I know they are smart, I have watched them succeed in complex situations, yet they swallow the msm completely never scratching even one layer deeper.

          A few mights ago SBS showed a snippet of the Biden post Kabul bombing press conference. It was just a few words ” we will hunt you down” making Joe look strong and assertive. The press conference when viewed as a whole was a disjointed train wreck, but few will ever see that.

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          Dave in the States

          I have cousin who used to be like that. Last week I was shocked when he admitted how wrong he had been on a number of issues. He used to say Obama could do no wrong. He accepted MBH98 as absolute gospel. He accepted the white wash of Climategate as having debunked the contrarians. He supported the EPA’s encroachment upon private property rights if it meant cleaner air and water.

          He now admits that the current mess was largely precipitated by Obama’s eight years, and Biden’s complete undoing of the course corrections brought in by Trump. He described Obama as America’s worst ever president and Trump was actually right about everything. I asked what about Biden then? He doesn’t consider Biden to be a president and the cabal Biden represents is “wrong about everything.”

          Even life long Democrats are turning around because of the Biden disaster. He is still willing to give Romney and Cheney the benefit of a doubt, so he still has away to go but progress, nonetheless.

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    WXcycles

    New Orleans Update:

    The main pumps have failed in New Orleans due to transmission tower collapses. There is some back-up generating capacity but it’s marginal and not sufficient to clear the major flooding. Major pooling is observed.

    There’s a large storm-surge, cameras indicate it’s above ten feet, with high waves. Some levies are being over-topped. It’s not clear if they’re failing or just flooding.

    A “Catastropic Flash Flood” warning was issued for the western part of the city a bit over an hour ago. Warning to get to higher ground immediately. How they do that in 100 kt gusts I don’t know.

    Not much news as it’s approaching midnight, but some storm chasers are saying they’re trapped and can not get out need help urgently, etc. Lots of locals saying similar. People monitoring EMS scanners hear many areas of the city are predicted to be underwater within hours, and mass evacuation of suburbs is occurring in full darkness.

    The eye-wall and strongest core winds are currently in the western part of the city, the storm slowed to 1/3rd its prior speed and is sitting over the city (dumping high rain totals) which no one forecast. The entire city is being heavily affected.

    The storm is still a major hurricane but is about Category 3 and weakening.

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      WXcycles

      City Water supply is damaged and losing pressure due many broken pipes and loss of power.

      Sewerage system pumps have failed, there’s no sewage system in operation in the city.

      Looks like the entire city may have lost mains power at this point.

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        Richard Ilfeld

        After Katrina, I’m sure no one in their right mind would rebuild the pump and levee system without fully independent backup power, And, in fact, I’m quite sure no one in their right mind rebuilt the parts of the city a half dozen feet below sea level.

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      David Maddison

      After Hurricane Katrina in 2005, how is it possible that the problems haven’t been fixed by now, e.g. fail safe generator capacity to run the pumps?

      Oh, I forgot. New Orleans is strongly Democrat.

      I can’t wait for the post-hurricane looting and riots.

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        Hanrahan

        I’m afraid cycles has been suckered by fear porn. Ida made landfall in a large swampy, unpopulated area and NO has been buffeted by high wind, not destructive ones. No way were they subjected to 100 kt wind. Even now the high winds are restricted to that large lake on the other side of the river,

        https://www.windy.com/?30.070,-90.846,10,i:pressure,m:evZadEd

        A lot of rain has fallen and windy.com tells me nothing about storm surges and flooding but if NO’s power has been disrupted by towers blowing down, that is simply poor engineering, not unprecedented winds. If you spend your money on windmills, you have none for infrastructure maintenance. Budgeting 101

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          WXcycles

          You sound like a proper moron, this storm will damage the lives of millions of people.

          Grow the hell up fool.

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            el gordo

            A million people are without power and one man has died, nothing to worry about.

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              MP

              The COVID would of got him anyway.

              The power providers cut the power when the wind gets up there, prevents live downed lines, for when people come out at half time.

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        Maptram

        “After Hurricane Katrina in 2005, how is it possible that the problems haven’t been fixed by now, e.g. fail safe generator capacity to run the pumps?”

        Because all the available money is spent on trying to stop climate change, rather than identifying the risks of damage and costs of repair if such an event happens as part of the normal climate

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        Serp

        Think the height of the tsunami protective wall at Fukushima not to mention the other design inadequacies; the zenith of our engineering achievements is very far in the past and we’ve arrived at the era of universal dilapidation which is an inevitable consequence of having slid into a culture whereby it is the cheapest tender that wins the construction contract.

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    OldOzzie

    Fernando Alonso’s helmet-cam footage from Spa-Francorchamps captivated viewers around the world – but how does it compare when put side-by-side with the first-ever live onboard footage from an F1 race?

    We take a trip back in time to the 1985 German Grand Prix to find out, riding on board with Renault’s Francois Hesnault – who made a cameo in the 1985 German Grand Prix in a third car just to test the prototype camera.

    Fast-forward to the 2021 Belgian Grand Prix and we’ve been treated to a driver’s eye view courtesy of Alpine’s Fernando Alonso, putting us as close to the F1 cockpit as possible.

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      Analitik

      It’s pretty good but I still prefer the MotoGP footage, although they need to tilt the camera towards the vertical to provide a better “rider’s eye” experience.

      The other great footage that has appeared this year is from cameras on the seat posts of riders in the pro peleton and at the track cycling events at the Olympics. It’s very hard to describe how close you get riding in groups when racing but the video footage showed how on the ball a rider needs to be.

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        OldOzzie

        Analitik – it’s the fact that it is at the driver eye level for the first time, and you get a sense of every bump and twist via the driver’s head, which you do not get with the fixed camera on the Halo.

        Speaking of MotoGP, Mick Doohan’s son Jack Doohan won both F3 races at Spa this weekend

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          Analitik

          I understand and appreciate the more “driver’s eye” view as being more realistic and exciting than from the stabilised mount above the driver. But the cars corner flat so there is inherently less “action” portrayed (you can’t get the fearsome G forces reproduced) than with a motorcycle view. And with MotoGP, they have long had other angles on the forks, seats, facing backwards, etc which all add to the sensations that show what the riders and bikes go through.

          I wish that the F1 cars had their aerodynamic downforce slashed so that the cars would roll and slide to give more viewing sensation (and passing opportunities).

          Having raced both cars and motorcycles, I just have a sense for what comes across from the video footage.

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        OldOzzie

        The other great footage that has appeared this year is from cameras on the seat posts of riders in the pro peleton

        That’s why I always enjoy SBS Coverage of Tour de France – Beginner’s guide to the Tour de France

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      Hanrahan

      For a long time Australia led the world in sports telecasting innovation. It might have started with snicko and ball tracking in cricket.

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    another ian

    Re USA

    “Preview to Answering The Big Question, How Do We Fix This Mess?
    August 29, 2021 | Sundance | 106 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/08/29/preview-to-answering-the-big-question-how-do-we-fix-this-mess/

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      Peter C

      That is a very long article Ian,

      Some of it has been published before. I will get around to reading it all again carefully.

      In the meantime I am comforted by this:
      ” This is where we throw the One Ring into the fire of Mordor.”
      “I am confident that ultimately We The People will win.”

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      RickWill

      “What can be done? How do we fix this mess?” There is actually something that can be done at a federal level, but it won’t be easy

      The sentence following the question is the problem. Look at the absurdity. There is a problem of “big government” so lets increase the size of government to solve the problem – am I alone in seeing the obvious flaw there?

      Trump at least made an effort:
      https://www.heritage.org/government-regulation/commentary/heres-how-much-red-tape-trump-has-cut

      Ten days after taking office, he issued Executive Order 13771, which requires agencies to offset the cost of any new significant regulation (or guidance) with at least two deregulatory actions.

      The rot started with the formation of the UN more than 50 years ago. This is an unelected executive of the world order. The various dictators in charge of this global dictatorship have been looking for a system of self-funding for a long time now. When the “email tax” failed to materialise in the 1990s they turned to “climate change” as the vehicle. They have been striving since that start of this century to developed a very large purse that they control. They are seeking a guaranteed income stream that they will dole out to like-minded dictators to build the brand while creaming a hefty margin.

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        Peter C

        Actually Sundance was not proposing a further increase in Government to resolve the mess. He/She proposed a reform of the US Senate. I think there is a bit more coming.

        As for the UN: The League of Nations became irrelevant because of WW2. Hopefully the UN can disappear as well. I HOPE without bloodshed.

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    OldOzzie

    Republic of Afgladystan has all this to look forward to.

    Monday, 30 August 2021

    Double-dose doublespeak. #auspol #nswpol

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    WXcycles

    A levee failure has been confirmed in the west of New Orleans. It’s not clear yet exactly where it occurred, or if it’s the lake side or the river which breached (I suspect it’s the river bank).

    ” …Levee holding back waters of Lac De Allmands did fail per local gov’t Facebook live. Laplace, LA is also flooding but unclear if related to same levee failure as Kraemer. …”

    Location of Laplace (suburb up river) is right under the eye-wall and has fully flooded to roof top level. Rescues are not possible and being refused.

    Storm was down-graded to a Cat-2 about 1.5 hours ago, 90 knot sustained winds.

    A ship in port recorded 149 mph sustained winds and a 172 mph gust (150 knots). Almost Category-5 level.

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      WXcycles

      High rainfall intensity in the eastern side of the core (over most of the city).

      All 8 transmission lines into New Orleans were blown-down, there’s no power for the city once backup fuel is used for pumping and hospitals.

      The main fuel storage farm went under the eye-wall, and is now also flooded.

      Backup power for some pumps, but not sufficient (I saw a figure that 40% of the pumps were working).

      Some hospitals lost backup power so manual ventilation is occurring.

      Large parts of the city will again be rendered uninhabitable.

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    RossP

    How long before Australia and NZ start this insanity?

    https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/triple-vaxxed-is-the-new-double-vaxxed/

    Obviously these ‘vaccines” are really effective // The 3rd shot is the same as the first two.
    Lets go forward 12 months –will it be the 4th or the 5th shot that counts??

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    Analitik

    Kerala has 66% of new CoViD cases in India. Purely by coincidence, they used less ivermectin (now none) and rely more on vaccination there than in comparable regions with far fewer cases, now.

    While Kerala included Ivermectin in their state’s guideline in April, they restricted it’s use to only in Class B – severe cases or those with associated disease, making its use much less than if mild cases were allowed. This meant it was reserved as a late treatment if used at all.

    https://health.kerala.gov.in/pdf/treatment_guidelines_apr_2021.pdf

    Finally, Kerala abandoned Ivermectin use altogether on August 5, 2021.

    https://health.kerala.gov.in/pdf/Kerala_state_Covid_19_Treatment_guidelines_V4_August_5.pdf

    and

    However, the most problematic feature is Kerala’s high vaccination rate compared to the other Indian States. While vaccination should be a good thing, it can have severe negative consequences when it leads to rampant viral transmission.

    From
    https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout—part-iii-the-lesson-of-kerala/article_ccecb97e-044e-11ec-9112-2b31ae87887a.html

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    RickWill

    There has been some concern over the Taliban taking control of US military weapons and transport:
    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/21/politics/us-weapons-arsenal-taliban-afghanistan/index.html

    The Taliban’s newfound American arsenal is likely not limited to small arms, as the group captured sizable stockpiles of weapons and vehicles held at strongholds once controlled by US-backed forces, including modern mine-resistant vehicles (MRAPs) and Humvees.

    Actually the joke is on the Taliban – how will they ever achieve their climate ambitions when they have all these fossil fuelled vehicles at their disposal.
    https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/08/24/taliban-vows-help-fight-climate-change/

    Balkhi added that the Taliban generally see a “unique opportunity” to join the world in combating climate change and other international issues.

    Not if they keep driving the diesel powered Humvees they confiscated from the US army.

    Meanwhile the US is moving to battery electric fleet:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a32255281/electric-jltv-army/

    It is tough being a woke terrorist in the modern world. What to do when climate ambition confronts reality?

    If all armies end up using BEVs backed by solar power, then they could all agree to a new convention of war that there will no attacks when there is no sunshine. Gone are those nasty pre-dawn raids and early rises.

    I also wonder if the drones currently being used to bomb ISIS-K strongholds are battery powered or those nasty fossil fuelled versions; where is the US climate ambition. Can someone please take this up with John Kerry before COP26 so he can prepare the right answer.

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    WXcycles

    Another confirmed levee breach at Lafitte in Jefferson Parish.

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    Kalm Keith

    https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/coronavirus/industry-leaders-opposition-urge-daniel-andrews-to-provide-roadmap-out-of-victoria-lockdown/news-story/0e3139311ad4925c14fa1155d4e59e3a

    Scroll down to the photo with the caption;
    ” The Premier announced on ,,,, ”

    If that doesn’t send shivers down your spine there’s something I’m missing.

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    Robber

    In Australia 1,000 people have now died with Covid over the last 18 months.
    Every day 475 people die in Australia.
    If only our governments would restrict driving, eating, smoking, and mandate exercise etc. /sarc

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      Kalm Keith

      🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
      Even if the government made people on social security go out every day and work on the local bush to clear weeds, noxious plants and dangerous undergrowth there would be an instant improvements in Australia’s health and a reduction in deaths from Diabetes 2.

      Best for everyone, but hey, it’s gonna cost votes so?

      Let’s take the easy way out.

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      PRESS RELEASE – SUPREME COURT OF VICTORIA LEGAL ACTION BY PLAINTIFF JONATHAN
      ANDREWS AGAINST DEFENDANTS PROFESSOR BRETT SUTTON &
      ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR MICHELLE GILES, REGARDING RELIABILITY OF
      COVID-19 ‘PCR TESTING’.

      Plaintiff and Solicitor Mr Jonathan Edward Kingsford Andrews of South Yarra,
      Melbourne and Principal at Bosanquet Solicitors, lodged a legal suit against the
      Victoria Government Chief Health Officer and Deputy on 19 August 2021 which was
      subsequently listed on 24 August 2021. The purpose of the Suit is for the Court to
      examine inter alia:

      1. The reliability of polymerase chain reaction nucleic acid testing (´PCR
      Testing”) (commonly known as the COVID tests) for checking infectivity
      rates amongst the population of Victoria, having particular regard to “false
      positives” being reported as actual cases as basis for the State Government
      ‘lockdowns’.

      3. Whether the Victoria State Government, has used emergency powers, to
      suspend civil liberties that were based on unreliable medical data and are
      therefore invalid.

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      Serp

      It’s a start but who can be optimistic? This is Victoria and Sutton is one of its woke champions; as to the quality of the work done by the Supreme Court ask George Pell.

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        where the difference is here is that this is not Dandemic controlled, (not an enquiry}

        this is not a personally against Sutton or his DHC Michele Giles, its against their offices as CHO and DHC
        its about the validity of the PCR test and so if the medical data would be valid
        there are lots of questions that need to be asked as well as auditing the CHO

        l wonder if the plan will be another “l do not recall” proposition LOL

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    Mark Allinson

    Just watched this interview:

    “Former senior Trump administration Health and Human Services COVID-19 advisor Dr. Paul E. Alexander made an appearance on The Stew Peters Show to state that the Coronavirus Task Force had deliberately deceived the American people, detailing the infighting that occurred between the Task Force and President Donald Trump while he was still in office.

    Dr. Alexander said the COVID-19 Task Force under the Trump administration had the data “very early on” that showed that COVID-19 was generally non-lethal to almost all healthy people. “If you were young, if healthy, do well, middle aged, but healthy, and you had no underlying major medical conditions, you would’ve bumped up against COVID and laughed at it. You would’ve had no symptoms, mild,” said Dr. Alexander. “Remember, by the CDC’s own data, if you were 0-19 years old – and this was very early on, we had this data – your risk of survival was 99.98 percent. If you were 20-49, the data showed us your risk of survival – had you been infected – was 99.97 percent. If you were 50-70, your risk of survival was 99.5 percent. You were almost at 100 percent guaranteed risk of survival if you were infected … Going further into detail, Dr. Alexander compared the COVID-19 pandemic to a bad flu season. “I do not believe this was a pandemic,” Dr. Alexander continued. “This was a difficult flu season. I would say a bad cold season, and we would have looked back at this and realized we got through it, and that society survived.”

    During the interview, Dr. Alexander claimed that the current COVID-19 vaccines are not what they are currently being advertised as. “This is an mRNA delivery platform. This is not even a vaccine,” said Dr. Alexander. “This is a genetic set of material that’s being introduced to you.”

    https://nationalfile.com/video-former-senior-trump-hhs-covid-advisor-says-pandemic-isnt-real-task-force-deliberately-lied-to-america/

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      Brenda Spence

      An mRNA delivery platform…. exactly!

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      Hanrahan

      For some time now I have been asking whether “advanced age”, as a single line item, is a real risk factor.

      We are not biologically engineered for old age, our Darwinian evolution would have stopped at about 40 for millions of years. Should we wonder that our ability to synthesise Co Q10 or Vit D [for starters] decay as we age?

      Living in the twilight of the age of enlightenment most of these decaying assets are now known and can be supplemented. Am I more at risk than someone 30 years younger if just as healthy?

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      PeterS

      The funny thing about all that is I read a similar article over 6 months ago yet it was ignored. I bet the same will happen with this one. Doesn’t anyone get it yet? It’s not about the virus.

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    MP

    Have a read of this,
    Definition of ‘criminal network of individuals’
    The chief officer of the AFP or ACIC may apply for a NAW if that officer suspects on reasonable grounds that a group of individuals constitutes a ‘criminal network of individuals.’[23] The Bill defines a criminal network of individuals as an ‘electronically linked’ group of two or more individuals, where one or more individuals in the group has:
    engaged, are engaging, or are likely to engage, in conduct that constitutes a relevant offence, or
    facilitated, are facilitating, or are likely to facilitate, the engagement, by another person (whether or not an individual in the group), in conduct that constitutes a relevant offence.[24]
    The OAIC considers that this definition has the potential to include a significant number of individuals, including third parties not the subject or subjects of the warrant who are only incidentally connected to the subject or subjects of the warrant. The seriousness of this impact upon privacy requires further mitigation with the commensurate safeguards. The OAIC recommends amending the Bill to narrow the definition of ‘criminal network of individuals’.

    This was passed through the senate. Don’t need a judge, get yourself an authorised officer, one you hired should do.

    https://www.oaic.gov.au/engage-with-us/submissions/surveillance-legislation-amendment-identify-and-disrupt-bill-2020-submission-to-the-parliamentary-joint-committee-on-intelligence-and-security/

    Proposed section 3ZZUL provides that a person takes control of an online account if they take one
    or more steps that result in them having exclusive access to the account. The provision provides
    examples of such steps:
    • using existing account credentials (such as a username, password or PIN, security question or
    answer or biometric form of identification)176 to alter one or more account credentials
    • removing a requirement for two-factor authentications and
    • altering the kinds of account credentials required to access or operate the account.
    If necessary for the purpose of taking control of the target account, the warrant may also
    authorise:
    • accessing account-based data to which the target account relates
    • adding, copying, deleting or altering account credentials to which the target account relates or
    • adding, copying, deleting or altering data in a computer.
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    https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/billsdgs/8078343/upload_binary/8078343.pdf;fileType=application/pdf

    Of course the leaders have exempted themselves.
    For our own good of course.

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    Hanrahan

    The eye of hurricane Ida has broken up as of now. Hurricane/cyclones cool down if they stay in one place, the shade from clouds and the cold rain cools the warm water feeding them. I saw it happen to one threatening us many years ago, it simply decayed while still out to sea.

    https://www.windy.com/-Wind-accumulation-gustAccu?gustAccu,29.956,-90.859,9,i:pressure

    Cycles may well be right and there may be a lot of water damage but I doubt there will have been too much from wind. Louisiana was very lucky where it made landfall.

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      Hanrahan

      A strange thing has happened, since my last post a massive area of wind up to 100 kn has appeared and some of it is hitting NO.

      https://www.windy.com/-Wind-accumulation-gustAccu?gustAccu,29.828,-90.198,9,i:pressure,m:euUadEU

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        WXcycles

        You are the living embodiment of the necessary-evil of the ignore button in constructive discussion.

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          Hanrahan

          I was about to say that I was in error, that windy had slipped into some strange “cumulative wind” function. Iy may be useful for boaties, not me.

          But you Sir are the embodiment of the ignorant, abusive left who believes all the panic porn you are fed and expect us to believe it too. NO was never hit with 100 kn winds unless windy.com has no connection to reality.

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            Hanrahan

            If anyone thinks I have been heartless and dismissive about Hurricane Ida, I have been pragmatic about the wind and only the wind.

            Consider this from wiki [edited]:

            The Atchafalaya Basin, or Atchafalaya Swamp (/əˌtʃæfəˈlaɪə/; Louisiana French: L’Atchafalaya, [latʃafalaˈja]), is the largest wetland and swamp in the United States. Located in south central Louisiana, it is a combination of wetlands and river delta area where the Atchafalaya River and the Gulf of Mexico converge. [my bold]

            The Atchafalaya is different among Louisiana basins because it has a growing delta system (see illustration) with wetlands that are almost stable.[1] The basin contains about 70% forest habitat and about 30% marsh and open water. It contains the largest contiguous block of forested wetlands remaining (about 35%) in the lower Mississippi River valley and the largest block of floodplain forest in the United States.

            The basin, which is susceptible to long periods of deep flooding, is sparsely inhabited. The Basin is about 20 miles (32 km) in width from east to west and 150 miles (240 km) in length.[3] The Basin is the largest existing wetland in the United States with an area of 1,400,000 acres (5,700 km2), including the surrounding swamps outside of the levees that historically were connected to the Basin.[4]

            This Ladies and Gentlemen is where Ida made landfall. Am I heartless saying Louisiana dodged a bullet? My beef is with the weather bureaus which, invariably, exaggerate, not with those who believe them.

            Note: windy.com says nothing more about water levels other than rainfall without a “since 9 am” type notation so I did not touch cycles’ dire predictions about water. Clearly there was plenty of it, both fresh and salt.

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            WXcycles

            Trolling ignorant jackass.

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              Serp

              You can do better than ad hom sneering WXcycles; stuff like that is better left unsaid. Keep up your good work.

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              KevJ

              What ever credibility you had has sadly disappeared.
              You should take a break and return when you learn some manners.

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              Hanrahan

              You could always post links to the death and destruction to prove me wrong.

              Someone was struck by a falling tree.

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                MP

                I have looked at a lot, nothing much to show.
                JCU uses street signs as a gauge of wind strength, not much to gauge.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3CWpRyryhA

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                Hanrahan

                I looked at the video posted by cycles and that looks like ANY town the morning after a Cat 2 storm except that there would be less roofs in Qld streets because of out excellent building codes which have been in force for > 30 yrs.

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                Hanrahan

                Looking at MP’s post, that’s Cat 1 [or less] damage.

                Maybe they have had so many storms over the years they have learned NOT to plaster their suburbs with trees, something our councils are yet to learn.

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                MP

                The tree’s are usually striped of leaves, that’s the obvious thing after a cyclone goes through regarding wind strength.
                That was a strong breeze in NO.

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                Hanrahan

                I was in one of the badly hit suburbs of Townsville during Althea, Christmas eve ’71. It was severe. Many relatively new, well built homes were blown apart, some with the just fridge standing on the floor, nothing else.

                And we got off lightly compared to Darwin in Tracy, Christmas night three years later.

                There have been other blows I’ve experienced so I know what a town looks like next day.

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    Analitik

    A doctor at an Arkansas prison has been found to be prescribing ivermectin for CoViD. All those taking the drug have done so voluntarily but, as expected, the press are foaming at the mouth with warnings of the dangers.

    “Do you want us to try and fight like we’re at the beaches of Normandy? Or do you want me to tell what a lot of people do and say — oh, go home and ride it out and go to the ER when your lips turn blue,” Karas said.
    Karas said that he started to use ivermectin in the jail population starting in November on “high-risk patients over 40.” The doctor defended his practice ,saying no deaths have been reported due to Covid-19 out of the 531 cases in the jail.

    So not only has he had no deaths but he prescribed it for those with conditions that made them vulnerable. A true doctor whoe TREATS those under his care.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/26/us/covid-ivermectin-arkansas-doctor/index.html

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      Analitik

      Patients come out in support of Dr. Robert Karas after seeing the media beat up. Note: he says that the vaccines are useful so he is not a fringe lunatic taking an extreme position.

      I don’t often post a big slab from an article but his statement by Dr Karas is worth reading in full

      My name is Dr. Robert Karas. I am a licensed medical doctor and operate two urgent care clinics in Northwest Arkansas. Additionally, I (along with a large and dedicated staff) provide all medical services to detainees at the Washington County Jail through my company Karas Correctional Health, PLLC. Yesterday it was brought to my attention that a local politician questioned my practice of prescribing Ivermectin to COVID-19 patients in the Washington County Jail. Following the ensuing news coverage, I have received numerous requests for interviews and comments. I am too busy treating sick patients to respond to every inquiry and, quite frankly, am concerned that media attention will only serve to further politicize a non-political issue to the detriment of the sick patients I see every day.

      The COVID pandemic has wreaked havoc across the world. The original strain of the virus and the new Delta variant represent a public health crisis that has strained the resources of our communities and healthcare systems. While the entire country has suffered tremendously, the virus poses a particularly high risk here in Arkansas as a result of low vaccination rates. My overworked staff and I have cared for thousands of COVID patients including family members and friends over the course of the last year and a half. Like all medical providers, we have watched some of those patients become hospitalized, intubated and die. The development of safe and effective vaccines has been a tremendous asset in the fight against COVID, and the research as well as my personal observations suggest that the vaccines are tremendously effective in preventing serious illness among the infected, and that they represent our best first line of defense against the virus. However, the availability of vaccines does not change the day-to-day reality of caring for sick patients.

      In late 2020, we began what I consider compassionate use of Ivermectin as part of a comprehensive plan of care for both clinic and jail patients who had become significantly sick from COVID. Ivermectin is an antiparasitic medication with a lengthy track record of safe administration around the world. Over the last forty years, it is estimated that four billion doses have been administered – primarily to patients with parasitic infections in developing countries. Ivermectin has FDA approved on-label uses in humans in the United States, and dosing schedules and side effect profiles are well understood. While the medication has not been approved by the FDA for treatment of COVID-19 patients, in-vitro and controlled studies as well as a significant amount of anecdotal evidence suggests that Ivermectin may significantly improve outcomes for critically sick COVID-19 patients.

      In my medical judgment, weighing the known risks and side effect profile of Ivermectin against the potential benefits supports the administration of Ivermectin (which we obtained from a licensed pharmacist in dosages and compounds formulated for humans) to COVID-19 patients. I do not have the luxury of conducting my own clinical trial or study and am not attempting to do so. I am on the front line of trying to prevent death and serious illness. I am proud of our track record in both of my clinics and at the jail in particular, where not one single patient of the five hundred plus who have followed our plan of care has been hospitalized, intubated or died.

      I do not own an interest in any pharmacy and receive no benefits whatsoever from prescribing Ivermectin. It is a generic medication. I have no ambitions or agenda other than caring for the sick. I continue to urge the public to get vaccinated, to get tested if symptoms are present or exposure has occurred, and to seek the immediate medical care and advice of a licensed physician if you feel sick. Medications such as Ivermectin should only be prescribed by a doctor and self-administering over the counter or improperly sourced Ivermectin is foolish and dangerous. Ultimately this is a national health crisis and not a political issue, and I will continue striving for the best outcomes possible for my patients.

      There is is – a balanced approach. A shame that is Australia and most often in the USA, doctors won’t prescribe Ivermectin forcing people to self-administer and use non-human intended sources.

      https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/patients-support-doctor-who-has-been-prescribing-ivermectin-to-inmates-with-covid-19/

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    David Maddison

    It seems that many people have been exposed to covid and have antibodies but are not aware they ever had the infection.

    In Australia, there is no routine testing of people for the antibodies so some people who receive “vaccinations” will already be naturally immune.

    Won’t this natural immunity bias the claimed effectiveness of the vaccines?

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      Serp

      Offer up a prayer to the almighty that the injections do not actually impair our natural immunity.

      Do I detect a suggestion of gross negligence in your mention of an absence of routine testing for antibodies?

      What’s the shelf life of these concoctions? Doesn’t matter eh, Big Pharma has been indemnified from damages claims and the taxpayer will now assume that burden. I can only groan.

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    Destroyer D69

    https://www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-serology-point-care-tests The australian TGA opinion regarding serology testing for covid antibodies.in short, you are not allowed to find out if you have antibodies.

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      Analitik

      No, they are discouraging the ones you can buy online. You can request one from your doctor as part of a blood test.

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        OldOzzie

        yet our caring TGA who totally rely on PCR tests, does not want Consumers to know about Serology Tests?

        Offering point-of-care serology services

        There is widespread interest in the use of point-of-care serology tests to increase testing capacity for COVID-19 in Australia. Because the accuracy and reliability of COVID-19 testing is critical during this time, we strongly urge potential providers of testing services to consider their capabilities and the context of providing testing services before commencing the provision of any COVID-19 point-of-care testing service.

        It is important to note that COVID-19 point-of-care tests cannot be advertised to consumers. There are also obligations for any advertisements directed to health professionals.

        A significant risk in point-of-care testing relates to misinterpretation of the result. Accurate identification of a COVID-19 infection based on serology results requires an understanding of how the antibody response develops with time, and how there is a significant lag time between infection and the development of antibodies. All point-of-care serology tests currently available in Australia detect IgM and/or IgG antibodies that develop in response to an infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus. These tests do not detect the SARS-CoV-2 virus itself. This is important because, while these tests can detect if a person has been exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, they cannot determine whether a person is currently infectious or has recently been infected with the virus.

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          Analitik

          To be absolutely fair, the note is about point-of-care testing which is for diagnostic purposes

          International standard ISO 22870, Point-of-care testing (POCT) – Requirements for quality and competence, defines POCT as: “testing that is performed near or at the site of a patient with the result leading to possible change in the care of the patient”

          In terms of CoViD, it would be applicable if the test were to be performed to judge whether someone should be hospitalised or not. Since they assess someone as being infected with a crazily high PCR cycle threshold yet tell them to stay at home until a policeman kneels on their shoulder, a serology test would not be that useful. Then again a serology test WOULD be useful for letting people out of quarantine early since not developing any antibodies a few days after a hypersensitive PCR positive would indicate non-infection despite exposure.

          The other case would be for treating someone with long CoViD, not that our doctors acknowledge any form of treatment for this AFAIK (hint: the dreaded drug starting with’i’ and ending with ‘vermectin’ is used for this overseas).

          https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/publications/publishing.nsf/Content/qupp-review~qupp-definitions

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    The ACT outbreak update. The following are the numbers of cases back to August 16 (most recent- today- on right). No significant value for regression of daily counts (R effectively zero). The slope of the cumulative graph is 17.5.

    19 17 22 16 11 8 19 16 30 9 14 21 26 13 12

    Lockdown is not promoting a downward trend but at least not an upward one as would be expected with a laissez faire response. Also, worrying that the number of cases not in isolation for the whole of their infectious period is (IMO) still significant wrt potential for expanding the outbreak, with 6 again today.

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      Peter C

      I agree.

      except this:

      Also, worrying that the number of cases not in isolation for the whole of their infectious period

      What is meant by; “the whole of their infectious period”, I would say that was the whole time that they are sick plus the prodrome period (ie the period when symptoms are not recognised).
      The prodrome period is a period of concern, since the covid infected people are not yet aware of their illness and hence they are living a “normal life”.

      After that we have the current medico/political advice to those who are actually sick enough to seek a Covid test. What are they told? GO HOME and ISOLATE. Easier said than done.
      I think they should be in hospital (some form of) until they recover. That would be less than 2 weeks for most of them.

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        Many are asymptomatic and are identified as close contacts of other cases and are then determined to have been infectious before they isolated.

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    David Maddison

    I have “fact checked” this.

    Go to:

    https://www.reignitedemocracyaustralia.com.au/sutton-served/

    And watch the video and download the press release.

    The pdf file doesn’t copy and paste cleanly so I can’t do that here.

    A lawsuit has been initiated challenging the accuracy of the PCR test for COVID in Vicdanistan.

    SUPREME COURT OF VICTORIA LEGAL ACTION BY PLAINTIFF JONATHAN ANDREWS AGAINST DEFENDANTS PROFESSOR BRETT SUTTON & ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR MICHELLE GILES, REGARDING RELIABILITY OF COVID-19 PCR TESTING

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    Mark Allinson

    So, somewhere down the track, the pandemic looks well and truly over.

    And then someone cuddles a white-tailed deer, and it’s all on again.

    The DarkHorse duo discuss this on a YouTube video, but can’t find any obvious holes in the study.

    “One-third of white-tailed deer in the north-eastern United States have antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 — a sign that they have been infected with the virus …

    Researchers are concerned about the emergence of new animal ‘reservoirs’ — animal populations that harbour SARS-CoV-2. A pool of infected animals could provide a refuge where the virus could evolve in ways that threaten vaccine efficacy. A reservoir could also allow the virus to spread to other species and back to people, even after the pandemic subsides. Saif has documented other coronaviruses jumping between species. “Similar spillover into wildlife may now be occurring worldwide,” she says.”

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02110-8

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Time for Aussies to make a stand. Our legendary, easy going nature has been exploited to deprive us of our freedom. Wake up Aussie, wake up! Say no to the rot!

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    Rod

    Meanwhile in Uzbekistan:
    Scientists in Uzbekistan are working on ‘edible transgenic tomato vaccine’ against COVID.Scientists from the Academy of Sciences’ Center for Genomics and Bioinformatics are working to develop an edible vaccine against the virus by altering the genetics of tomatoes, according to a statement issued by the Innovative Department Ministry.

    https://insiderpaper.com/scientists-in-uzbekistan-edible-tomato-vaccine-against-covid/amp/

    Sounds like a goid idea for the next Borat film.

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      Brian the Engineer

      Quercetin + Zinc is apparently a powerful antiviral.
      Quercetin is found in plants.
      So maybe.

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    Brian the Engineer

    Since COVID attacks the lungs has anyone looked for any correlation between iron levels in the blood and deaths?
    Would taking iron tablets help reduce the death toll.

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    David Maddison

    I have a friend in a major Federal Government department (Australia). They have been advised that henceforth the gender of new recruits will be 40% male, 40% female and 20% “other” such as so-called “non-binaries”. I don’t know where they’ll find them all…

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    https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/china-erases-billionaire-actress-zhao-wei-from-history/news-story/94100f6569377078cfeee411f5fc3538
    China erases billionaire actress Zhao Wei from history
    One of China’s most famous and richest actresses has been completely erased and the Chinese government is thought to be behind it.

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    TdeF

    I am so surprised that people are really terrified of a simple innoculation? The principle is that exposure to a part of the virus will help when the virus arrives, nothing more.

    There is no great plot behind this. If there is, it is from China, not the pharmaceutical companies or the government. Everyone I know has had the inoculation and no one was sick. And many are medical professionals.

    What on earth is the problem? Whole communities like the Greek community are against vaccination. There are 13,600 people who have died in Greece and Greece has only 10 million people. Fewer than 1,000 here, and most of those in Victoria.

    Science debate is one thing. This is fear, not logic. And it is completely unscientific. Measles, polio, TB, more. How many vaccinations have people had? The shingles virus is terrible for older people and the vaccination is free.

    Can someone explain why there is this climate of fear around this vaccination? And there are even of choices of vaccine.

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      TdeF

      World wide there have been more than 5 Billion vaccinations. Or 200x the population of Australia. So where is the problem?

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        TdeF

        I even have a young couple in Russia who took the vaccination so they could get the certificate. And they have already had the virus!

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          Environment Skeptic

          It’s complicated, intricate, and a masterpiece that cannot be unraveled with one liners and what Smith and Jones said etc. Unfortunately way more complicated than politics finance, mainstream media, and will definitely take more than a rooster called Booster to fix things into the future.

          From: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2018.02991/full
          “The ADE phenomenon in different virus infections was and still an area of intensive study, especially while developing new vaccines. Any vaccine that fails to produce “broad protective antibodies could lead to adverse effects by rendering vaccinated individuals more susceptible to infection as demonstrated in previous clinical “trials. A successful vaccine approach relies on the design of novel immunogen that can induce a balanced and protective immunity. It is now suggested that efficacious “vaccines should strictly target protective epitopes (B- and T- cell), which are able to elicit functional immune responses, such as bNAb, ADCC and ADCVI (Sahay et al., “2017). Moreover, selection of appropriate adjuvants affects vaccine immunogenicity considerably and thus, affects vaccine efficacy. Nonetheless, even when selecting “the appropriate antigen and adjuvant, ADE remains a concern when neutralizing antibodies are elicited at sub-neutralizing doses. Consequently, evaluating vaccines in “terms of protective and enhancing doses are crucially needed before vaccine administration (Figure 2).

          From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7119964/
          Published online 2019 Nov 5. doi: 10.1007/978-981-15-1045-8_2
          PMCID: PMC7119964
          Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of Viral Infections

          From https://journals.asm.org/doi/full/10.1128/JVI.02015-19
          Research Article
          14 February 2020
          Molecular Mechanism for Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of Coronavirus Entry

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        TdeF

        My point here is that while the development and distribution of this inoculation was rushed with very good reason, there are only two things which mattered in testing. Were there serious adverse side effects and did they work?

        One person said it was still ‘experimental’ but a year later, it’s not. The lack of a long period of limited field testing is a pointless objection. It’s over.

        People getting the inoculation today are not brave guinea pigs risking their lives for a good cause or their own survival. The first few billion people did that. The inoculations are no longer ‘experimental’ or ‘rushed’. Field testing is over long ago, replaced by massive live testing. And you can study the results. There are very few side effects and they are no worse than any other inoculation in history.

        So the only thing which matters now is whether the benefit was worth this tiny risk. Here the worst case possible is no benefit at all. And the answer is yes, the vaccines are working. And that is all that matters now.

        Plus for those very few people who suffer and even die from the treatment, there is a risk with any medical treatment. Especially if the proven danger is precisely the same danger in getting the virus. e.g. blood clotting. You have to think such a susceptibility is intrinsic in the virus and thus in the inoculation. In other words they would not have survived the virus either.

        As for those people who want to quibble about the words vaccination vs inoculation vs immunization etc. that is utterly pointless nitpicking posing as expertise. You need to get out more. The only issue now is effectiveness.

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          el gordo

          I’ll stand shoulder to shoulder with you on this issue TdeF and expect a drubbing from our colleagues.

          An anti-vax friend is experiencing pressure at work from management and he rang to ask my advice. All I could say is if you like your job then get vaccinated.

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      Len

      They are not vaccines, T de F

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      Serp

      It’s the postmodern vaccine which neither prevents contracting the infection nor transmitting the infection; its virtue is alleged to inhere in its lessening the severity of an infection which you won’t necessarily realize you are suffering from without taking a PCR test the results of which are likely spurious anyway.

      Given that you are diabetic and obese and vitamin D deficient it is prudent to take your chances that you shall not be one of the reportedly vanishingly small proportion who suffer adverse effects from the injection; life’s a gamble eh TdeF and each of us plays to win in his own way.

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    greggg

    ‘US COVID-19 Vaccines Proven to Cause More Harm than Good Based on Pivotal Clinical Trial Data Analyzed Using the Proper Scientific Endpoint, “All Cause Severe Morbidity”‘

    https://www.scivisionpub.com/pdfs/us-covid19-vaccines-proven-to-cause-more-harm-than-good-based-on-pivotal-clinical-trial-data-analyzed-using-the-proper-scientific–1811.pdf

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    Environment Skeptic

    From: https://thehighwire.com/videos/are-we-starting-to-see-a-d-e/

    “For over a year, The Highwire has been sounding the alarm on #Covid19 vaccines & their possible association with Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE). Now thousands of emerging vaccine deaths and injuries may be pointing directly to this dangerous phenomenon. Board Certified Pathologist, Ryan Cole [My bolding], talks to Del about what he is seeing in his practice as the booster bonanza begins.”

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    Raving

    Serious stuff. From reading here, it sure seems they are wrong. Going to take a whole lot more gas plants to make it so

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/aemo-electricity-supply-stable-as-coal-power-closes/100419630

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      Graeme No.3

      Wishful thinking or mere stupidity?
      470MW of battery backup doesn’t supply 470MWh of continuous supply from a coal or gas station.
      South Australia keeps going on gas when renewables don’t supply, often over 90% of generation.
      Gas might be a suitable alternative (at a higher price) but coming supply shortages? I mean, you cannot ban exploration and extraction and expect continuing supply.

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        Raving

        Looks to me the plan is to replace all the coal with gas. That way victory can be claimed and all the gas plants can be tagged as temporary peaking for the renewable base.

        Australia produces a load of LNG, no?

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        Chad

        Why dont they learn from their own experience..?..
        Two fully controlled and monitored pilot systems have been installed and monitored on King and Flinders island, with the whole gambit of Solar, Wind, battery , and Fossil generators. Together with various synchronisers and power dumping resistors etc etc..
        Neither of those have managed to operate without 100% fossil generation at numerous times. On average RE supplies a max of 60% generation.
        Then they can look at SA with its surplus of RE, but also frequently have to rely on 100% Gas supply.. so effectively , none of them have been able to survive on RE + storage.
        ……What makes the AEMO believe it will be any different for the main GRID. .?

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    el gordo

    A momentary dip in CO2 output.

    ‘Australia’s emissions fell 5 per cent during first year of pandemic. Emissions fell sharply in transport and electricity in a trend that took annual output to its lowest level in decades, according to official figures.’ (SMH)

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    another ian

    “Under 65 and Normal”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/08/30/under-65-and-normal/

    “Conclusions: People <65 years old have very small risks of COVID-19 death even in pandemic epicenters and deaths for people <65 years without underlying predisposing conditions are remarkably uncommon. Strategies focusing specifically on protecting high-risk elderly individuals should be considered in managing the pandemic."

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    another ian

    Another view from oiutside

    “Following in the tradition of Goebbels, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) released this “documentary” on August 23, 2021. In much the same way that a Covid booster shot is now being required to keep on scaring/numbing the masses, so is this layered bundle of lies, deceptions, and obfuscations designed to keep the narrative rolling along:”

    More at

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/08/30/a-booster-shot-for-leftist-npcs-aka-sheeple/

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    China is playing the long game;
    They are arming at a great pace after the West is broke after the Wu flu they are aiming at taking Americas place as the greatest world power,but unlike America who protects us all. They will subjugate the entire world our biggest hope at the moment is India and Japan fingers crossed.

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    Anti-vaxxer Monica Smit arrested for ‘incitement’
    A former reality TV contestant who has emerged as Victoria’s most high profile anti-lockdown campaigner has livestreamed her own “arrest”.
    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/antivaxxer-monica-smit-arrested-for-incitement/news-story/2d967ef800723db5daa203506fc9eb6a

    ALL of this to stop the deaths of 86 year olds in aged care?

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    Very Interesting Video!?
    DR VLADIMIR ZELENKO ON “THE POISON DEATH SHOT” ~ TESTIFIES BEFORE RABBINIC COURT IN ISRAEL
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/dspL1bwDszTN/

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