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      Analitik

      But “our ABC” said that the conditions allowing the coral to recover promote the growth of corals that are vulnerable to increased temperatures and Crown of Thorn starfish because

      Their fast growth comes at a bit of a cost, their skeletons aren’t as dense as other corals

      and we shouldn’t be complacent because

      But this is an incredibly rare moment in time where we haven’t had extreme heat events or crown of thorns outbreaks

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/reef-in-recovery-but-warning-on-climate-remains/100304554

      According to the CAGW narrative, even good news is bad

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        TdeF

        “vulnerable to increased temperatures and Crown of Thorn starfish”

        Firstly, who said CO2 heated the ocean? How, without even heating the air? And how do you heat a mobile mass which is 340x the weight of the air and 4x the specific heat. That is man made Global (Ocean) Warming without any attempt at logic.

        Secondly, the Crown of Thorns Starfish does only long term good. This regular invasion has been known by the Tahitians for hundreds of years and welcomed. It was only our short term observation of the reef which saw it as destructive but it is now known to be a good pruning exercise which returns the reef to health and in turn produces the lovely beaches on the coral atolls. Otherwise they are just awful black rutile, like much of the main island of Tahiti where there are no reefs.

        Then there is the presumption that the warm ocean surface is somehow caused by mankind and the coral cannot survive a slight warming, when the reef stretches over 2500 km north to South with a big difference in temperature anyway.

        This is all made up nonsense, climate crisis appropriation of every natural event as a man made extinction crisis. The sky is falling, caused by Carbon Dioxide and the industrial revolution. A science free idea.

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          Ken

          I agree TdeF
          The 2,500 km stretch, south to north exhibits a temperature range from 22 deg C to 26 deg C (today’s data).
          Yet the health of the coral over this 4 deg range is the same!
          This puts the lie to the claims of extra heat will kill the reef.
          The water is even hotter up around New Guinea and the Phillipines, all with magnificent reefs.

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          ghl

          Does bleaching occur in summer? Is it actually correlated with water temperature?

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          ghl

          Do the same species thrive both north and south?

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      yarpos

      Thus it has been all my now longish life. I can remember a time over the last 50 years or so when the GBR hasn’t been in existential crisis.

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    RickWill

    Noticed in the news that Rio Tinto are struggling at iron ore mines. The cost of mining has increased by almost USD1 to between USD18 – 18.50. Production was down about 12% last quarter. The good news is that iron ore got to USD221 yesterday so margin now just over USD200. With production of 76.4Mt for the Q1 2021, that makes for a tidy profit.

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      yarpos

      Back in the good old days when China was everyone friend and was booming insanely, a mate of mine bought himself a nice Porsche 993 (last of the air cooled) with the proceeds of a bunch of margin lending funded Rio shares. It was quite a ramp up. Seems now the 993 was as good a buy as those shares as they have gone through the roof, and I am guessing far less likely to ever get reported for CGT. Ahh to have such tax problems.

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    Kalm Keith

    We are going through extraordinary times with catastrophic lockdowns and social repression all because we are “fighting” The Virus.

    Scientists are telling us and politicians that this Virus and its Variants is the most dangerous threat to mankind we could imagine and so we cower in our homes waiting for them to save us and then give me all clear.

    Initially there were terrible reports of deaths from CV19 and we were afeared but a calm examination of the data used in the promo’s suggested that the data wasn’t all it was cracked up to be.

    Far too many of the victims were in colloquial terms; ancient, and probably succumbed to old age and a bit of help from other ailments.

    To gain some perspective on this matter it might be worthwhile to look over our shoulders into the past.

    Oh shirt! It’s the climate catastrophe and, omg, the same people are running it, help.

    The Climate Catastrophe based on human origin CO2 is the central focus of our lives now and prior to CV19.

    There is No scientific basis in atmospheric physics, thermodynamic, pure physics and quantitative analysis to substantiate any claim of atmospheric “heating” from human origin CO2. And yet somehow the myth survives in our new fantasy world.

    Can we trust our leaders?

    The new Weapon of Choice is Covid 19.

    Suffer

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      OldOzzie

      Can we trust our leaders?

      No!

      Gladys in NSW has made a Big mistake in shutting down Construction in NSW – even Dan of VictoriaStan has never shut down Construction – Don’t upset CFMEU

      The astronomical cost of shutting down Businesses that are the only ones that make profits and pay tax as against Politicians, MPs, Public Servants, Council Employee’s,Academics, Journalists, Teachers etc – all on the Public Teat who have no skin in the game and want shutdowns

      Australia is Screwed by the approach our State and Federal Politicians are taking.

      On the 19/07/2021 in NSW we had 58 Hospitalised Cases and 34 in ICU in a population of 7.4 Million People.

      The numbers have ramped up since South Wales Sydney outbreak – Given BAME statistics in the UK, what is the ethnicity of the hospitalisations – What are their Comorbidities, What were their Vitamin D Levels?

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        OldOzzie

        Apologies 24 in ICU in a population of 7.4 Million people

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          Analitik

          The NSW numbers for hospitalizations, ICU and deaths are actually incredibly high vs the “case” count when compared to Delta variant outbreaks overseas. I would like to see the underlying health issues for those affected to see what underlying issues these people had.

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            Klem

            I would too. Car crashes, heart attacks and drownings can’t be the only ways people die of cvd-19.

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            Kalm Keith

            Apparently there are about 100,000 people in NSW who have various forms of diabetes.

            From the sampling of people in the local shopping centres, both ambulatory and in motorised support vehicles, there seems to be a serious epidemic of Affluenza that poses a far larger threat than CV19.

            But you can’t talk about diabetes type 2.

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              Type 2 diabetes is actually negatively correlated with income

              For example

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                OldOzzie

                Type 2 diabetes is actually negatively correlated with income

                Gee Aye agreed – but why is it so?

                It is not hard to eat correct foods, and it was really noticeable watching the daily updates on SBS on Demand of the 2021 Tour De France – how slim were the majority of French Spectators on side of the road.

                Similarly here in Northern Beaches Sydney, it is rare to see an obese child.

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                Kalm Keith

                I fully agree.
                Also there’s a very high correlation between Diabetes 2 and uncontrolled Gluttony which is strongly tied to lack of self control and recent successful efforts by politicians to get everyone off work and on to Social Security benefits.

                That linked Canadian study is an absolute disgrace.

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                OO – lots of reasons have been identified

                Ignorance
                Availability
                Convenience
                Cost
                Other lifestyle correlates
                Culture

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                Analitik

                KK said Sydney seems to have a serious case of Affluenza with a leading statement towards this contributing to type 2 diabetes which your statement is actually in agreement with.

                You need to fully parse the text before commenting, Gee Aye. Or else phrase your responses appropriately

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                KK… I didn’t actually read the study (I know, bad – there were lots of hits for my search and it was just top). What was wrong with it?

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                Analitik

                I think KK is stating the correlation is a disgraceful reflection on Western society

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                Sceptical Sam

                I think KK is stating the correlation is a disgraceful reflection on Western society

                I hope that is what he’s saying.

                If not, we need to hear from him.

                Ambiguity is not the friend of knowledge.

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                Kalm Keith

                In response to your question, “what was wrong with it”.

                It’s looking at diabetes as a mysterious imposition on poor innocent people but
                D2 is purely and simply the result of a mismatch between what nature had prepared the baby for and what it eventually experienced after birth.

                As mentioned earlier this was discovered well after world war two ended when food became more plentiful and less expensive.

                In most of genetic set-up the baby gets usually one of the options made available by the competing parents:
                in the case of D2, nature takes a current reading of the mother’s insulin needs and applies that to the baby when it comes around for that setting to be finalised.

                Baby is all set for existing conditions.

                The Dutch Winter Hunger was a particular period during WW11 that related back to foetal development and the insulin setting.

                In this unusual case the starving mothers had babies with low calorie intake settings for insulin.

                This was O.K. until food became more plentiful and higher intake brought about an insulin shortage in the adult.

                It should be mentioned that this was an abnormal event that led to the understanding that phoetal development moves on by stages.

                Later understanding of this helped to lay out the reasons and mechanism by which interference with development at any stage may create the gender dysphoria problem that’s so widely misrepresented in medicine, politics and the community.

                There are many reasons to avoid stress and alcohol during pregnancy.

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                Chris

                Type 2 Diabetes correlates with a high carb diet. Carbs are the cheapest source of food and too many in the diet not only over load insulin into the system but also interfere with the hormones that switch hunger messages on and off. If you carefully check out the supermarkets in poor suburbs as opposed to the wealthier suburbs you will see a distinct different style of food messaging that disadvantages the people on very limited incomes.

                The poor districts have aisles and aisles of chocolate, lollies, biscuits, cheap cheap bread . Second grade fruit and veggies are sold at premium prices as is second grade meat.
                Whereas supermarkets in the more salubrious suburbs have minimal aisle space for chocolate or biscuits and cheap bread won’t be found . Its good quality sourdough , or rye or organic multigrain etc. Fruit and veggies are top notch with a large variety not seen in the outer suburbs.
                The system is weighted against the poor so it is no wonder that they are more inclined to be overweight and have diet related health issues.

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                theotherross

                Mostly a very strong genetic link for diabetes

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                greggg

                High carb diets are a big contributor, as is a high omega 6 diet from cheap vegetable oil – it lowers insulin sensitivity.

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                Kalm Keith

                The other Ross.

                There’s maybe a genetic correlation but that’s got nothing to do with D2.

                It’s just a coincidence that mother and child have the same genes and overeat.

                The PC brigade will say that just as the post quoted by Gee Aye was avoiding the main issue.

                That’s D2.

                I don’t know how D1 works; is that a genetic inheritance.

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                Ronin

                Gina Reinhardt and Clive Palmer must be candidates for diabetes going by the size of them and look at their wealth.

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                Kalm Keith

                Gee asks; “I did what”.

                Have a look at the Link he gave and see if it explains the biological cause of Diabetes 2.

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                The link I put up? It references the cause but it is not about the fundamental biology, it is a study that looks at society and behaviour. T2 is highly correlated with poor diets. Poorer people are more likely to have these diets. It is hardly contentious, PC or whatever you were implying about my comment. This is all notwithstanding the rabbit hole you tumbled down.

                Also, in relation to the placental barrier here is a way to bust through it

                https://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/67/10/1923

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              Kalm Keith

              January 11, 2014 at 5:29 pm

              Australian Aborigines, born to mothers living “off the land” found that they were very prone to developing type 11 after spending time in town living on the white man’s high calorie diet.

              They found that on reversion to bush tucker for a while that the diabetes disappeared.

              It has always been known that type 11 was basically reversible in contrast to type 1.

              The early work on diabetes was helped greatly by the information gained from the study of the “Dutch Winter Hunger” during World War 11 when food was scarce in Europe but women still conceived in those difficult times.

              Up to a point T11 is a disease created by the disparity between the insulin setting given the infant by the mother and the inappropriateness of that setting for dealing with increased calorie intake of the child in better times later on.

              KK

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              Kalm Keith

              January 11, 2014 at 5:29 pm from a while ago.

              Australian Aborigines, born to mothers living “off the land” found that they were very prone to developing type 11 after spending time in town living on the white man’s high calorie diet.

              They found that on reversion to bush tucker for a while that the diabetes disappeared.

              It has always been known that type 11 was basically reversible in contrast to type 1.

              The early work on diabetes was helped greatly by the information gained from the study of the “Dutch Winter Hunger” during World War 11 when food was scarce in Europe but women still conceived in those difficult times.

              Up to a point T11 is a disease created by the disparity between the insulin setting given the infant by the mother and the inappropriateness of that setting for dealing with increased calorie intake of the child in better times later on.

              KK

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              Ian

              “Up to a point T11 is a disease created by the disparity between the insulin setting given the infant by the mother and the inappropriateness of that setting for dealing with increased calorie intake of the child in better times later on.”

              Sort of but it isn’t quite as straightforward

              Babies with high insulin levels during gestation are more susceptible to type 2 diabetes but not primarily because of any insulin setting although insulin is a major player

              Insulin from the mother does not pass across the placenta so there is no direct setting as such. Hormones from the embryo side of the placenta are necessary for foetal development. These hormones cross the placenta to the mother and can cause insulin resistance by blocking insulin action on her cells. To overcome this her pancreas synthesises more insulin.

              In some instances, particularly gestational diabetes, which occurs in mid-late pregnancy and in mothers with type 1 diabetes, the mother cannot make enough insulin and/or her cells are resistant to its action. This increases her blood glucose levels.

              Glucose does cross the placental barrier and the increased glucose from the mother increases the foetal glucose level. This causes the foetal pancreas to increase insulin to reduce its glucose levels.

              Increased foetal insulin production enhances glucose utilisation in insulin-sensitive tissues, such as liver, heart, skeletal muscle, and adipose tissue and leads to the expansion of fat cells and increased fat tissue deposition. High maternal blood glucose levels at the beginning of the second trimester may cause the foetus to increase elevated insulin production at the time foetal fat growth commences.

              All of this can lead to macrosomia (”Fat” babies) who as children are at risk of becoming obese and adults who are at risk of  type 2 diabetes.

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                Kalm Keith

                The main point I was making was that the mother’s immediate blood glucose levels are what fixes the babies insulin response capacity under normal conditions.

                Since this first study based on glucose deprived mother’s in Holland, and Later, Britain things have changed a lot.

                Very few people in those countries would now be starving and as you say, some/many of the mothers might now have diabetes. I don’t have any understanding of that situation but from the sound of it there’s a lot of trouble linked to it.

                This is interesting;

                “High maternal blood glucose levels at the beginning of the second trimester may cause the foetus “.

                It illustrates the staged development of different aspects of the foetus and links to the potential for disruption to that progression with the possibility of irregularities like gender dysphoria.

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              Kalm Keith

              Both Gee Aye and Chris are portraying Diabetes type 2 as a victimhood infliction and when that is done it tends to blur the picture.

              Throughout history I would have little doubt that most people didn’t have the opportunity of overeating.

              In recent decades the world has come to a point where many citizens can eat and drink to excess and in Australia many of those don’t even need to work; the lucky country.

              A visit to Honolulu some twenty years ago was a real eye opener in terms of understanding this change in culture, it seemed that for many, the prime purpose in life was to eat super large gigantic quantities of food.

              I suspect that many of the CV19 “deaths” in the “data” reflect eating habits rather than The Virus.

              A healthy life involves work, social and sporting interests, reading, intellectual pursuits and eating all in sensible proportions.

              The day that I go food shopping and don’t see shopping trolleys loaded with “Soft drinks” being pushed to the checkout by a very large person, on that day I will feel that society is making progress in bringing balance to people’s lives.

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        yarpos

        They seem remarkably less concerned by the 900+ actual deaths from infuenza and 900+ deaths from pneumonia every year in NSW (NSW Health numbers) with many thousands more seriously ill. I guess those numbers will be similar in VIC.

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        OriginalSteve

        While understanding cv19 is useful, were being misdirected on purpose – we need to zero in on the vacvines.

        If a post on orwell.city is a real transcript, then the va ccines are nothing more than a clot making nano wepon

        https://www.orwell.city/2021/07/graphene-oxide.html?m=1

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        RossP

        I cannot help thinking Gladys B has been “got at”. She has a massive change in attitude to the issue in recent weeks.

        Similarly Macron has made a massive Uturn. His rhetoric of a month or so ago was totally different to his current attitude.

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          Kalm Keith

          I’ve occasionally heard Berys earnestly imploring at the microphone but not seen any t.v.

          How have the two of them changed?

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          OrignalSteve

          Ross I share your thoughts.

          I suspect families have probably been threatened…..

          Dont forget were dealing withg people who literally appear to have become modern incarnations of Faust, who are driving it all.

          Modern Na*ism, whether people want to believe that or not….and we know how that winds up…..

          WW3 is now waiting to kick off….if cv19 isnt the actual opening salvo

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          MP

          Just following the script.

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        Chris

        Dr Jackie Stone who works at the mortality end of Covid in Africa says “all patients that died had Diabetes”. Certainly food for thought.

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        OldOzzie

        Coronavirus Australia: Daniel Andrews plays numbers game with cases and votes as he backs zero

        From the Comments

        The Doc H
        16 minutes ago

        Still going on about Zero is he?

        Well, here’s a nice round figure for you – 222

        That’s the number of years it took from the first smallpox vaccination in 1795, to the WHO announcing Zero cases in 2017.

        It’s going to be a long night………………………………………..

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        OldOzzie

        Covid construction ban could damage the State Government

        The NSW Government may have irrevocably lost support of the state’s tradies, writes Warren Mundine

        Until last weekend, I believed Western Sydney was there for the taking by the Liberal Party off the back of tradies and small business owners.

        The NSW government’s decision to shut down construction as part of its latest lockdown may well have destroyed this.

        Even Chairman Dan didn’t fully shut down construction in Victoria. What the NSW government has done is without precedent.

        I own a trade services business. I’ve spoken to many tradies and have read and watched media interviews with many others. Good, hardworking people all over NSW are dumbfounded and distraught by this decision.

        They worked through last year’s lockdown without infecting, or being infected by, anyone. They can’t understand the logic of the ban and they don’t trust the government, even after yesterday’s assurance, to end this shutdown on July 30.

        They’re staring into an abyss: not knowing how to pay staff and bills and fearing their businesses won’t survive. It was bad enough for retail and hospitality but construction businesses can’t even try to eke out a living with contactless trade or online ordering. There’s no fallback.

        NSW government compensation won’t scratch the surface. A maximum $15,000 payment that won’t even clear the materials bill for most businesses.

        A JobSaver program paying 40 per cent of weekly payroll up to $10,000 per week, a fraction of the payroll of most trade services businesses and the business still has to find the other 60 per cent.

        What’s more, the details aren’t yet available and applications don’t open until late July.

        Premier Berejiklian suggested the government is doing it just as tough.

        Noting that government projects would also close, she said “as painful as it is, we can afford to put a pause on them for two weeks. We are putting the same standards to ourselves as we are expecting of the private sector and the small business community.”

        Nothing illustrates the tin ear of the NSW Liberals more than this comment.

        Of course, politicians and health bureaucrats can “afford” to pause projects. None will lose a cent of salary. The government is the buyer of construction services, not earning an income from them.

        The construction businesses and their employees, their subcontractors and the businesses who supply them will be crippled.

        If the NSW government really wants to be subject to the “same standards” then politicians and bureaucrats should take zero income until the shutdown ends.

        No official or health expert has provided any data to support this decision.

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          OldOzzie

          History shows, the Liberal Party has always done best when it looks after the Forgotten People, Howard’s Battlers and the Quiet Australians. Not by taking them for granted and kicking them in the guts. Shutting down construction is the most stupid decision of any government I’ve seen over the past 18 months.

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            Sceptical Sam

            What makes anybody think that the next Federal election is one that the Liberal Party of Australia would want to win?

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              Lucky

              That opinion could be right. From their policies, such as they are, it appears they want to lose.

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        OldOzzie

        Coronavirus Australia: Like a commercial My Lai, we are destroying the village to save it from Covid-19

        Who would plan anything in Australia any more? Who would bother with the hard graft of organising a school camp, a church fete, a sports carnival, a writers festival, a local repertory production, a book launch, even a guest speaker and an audience? Who would get on a committee to serve an unselfish end? Who would volunteer?

        We have worried a lot, rightly, about the impact of lockdowns on the lonely and isolated. But what of those who help to bring us together, to enthuse us about a cause or a project, who have been deprived of seeing their efforts fructify in the ways that make them worthwhile – those who make life that little bit richer, who lift us above the level of subsistence?

        The past 18 months have burned up social capital like it is going out fashion. Scott Morrison is wrong; he was never right. It always was a race, but not only to address a pandemic; it was a race to preserve that flicker of hope and optimism integral to anyone thinking beyond their immediate needs and wants, to addressing the day after tomorrow. Which is why his government’s stance that it does not hold the syringe, mate, is so enraging. It has rendered the sacrifices of a year and a half pointless. There have been no sunny uplands. There have just been more excuses, more buck passing.

        I am still to hear a single politician connect at the level of this very real loss. And hell, why would they? They stand mute at the idea of cutting people off from dying parents; they’re strangers to the stress of penning children up at home when they should be at school with friends and teachers; they are in thrall to the daily case numbers that are an index of modern political virtue and they “make no apology” for it.

        How could they understand anything beyond their own dismal horizons? They are people entirely insulated by their cocoon of privilege for whom the future is paved with parliamentary pensions. They are, and it is a commonplace sentiment but has seldom felt truer, not like us. They are wholly separated from the quotidian reality of Covid World.

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      PeterS

      Can we trust our leaders?

      Of course not. That’s why we have elections. The trouble is both sides are now on the same bandwagon when it comes to climate change and the vaccinations, so we don’t have much of a choice. We might as well have no elections given the vast majority will not stop voting for either major party. Stupid is as stupid does.

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        Sambar

        What is that old saying PeterS, I vote of the candidate of my choice, but somehow a politician always wins.

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          yarpos

          I am sure people who voted for our local member has no clue she was a rabid Green.

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            Sambar

            Like lots of things in my also long life Yarpos, I managed to vote for the losing candidate. I think I have a special knack for somehow picking second place in many areas, and yet, I still consider I have had a moderately successful run.

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              MP

              I think I have a special knack for somehow picking second place in many areas,

              Hope one is horse racing, I will fund the spree of place betting.

              I off to buy my new cruiser.

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              yarpos

              consistently 2nd will win you a world championship in some sports, not so shabby methinks

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          Kalm Keith

          🙂

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        Flok

        So we pay taxes not to trust them. Sounds like paying alimony after divorcing cheating spouse.

        And you are right, major parties no longer serve interests of Australians, for that reason in our potential we remain dumb and smart at the same time.

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        Ronin

        Politicians are like toddlers nappies, both need changing regularly, and for similar reasons.

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      Lance

      “According to USA Today, more Australians have died from the COVID-19 vaccination than from COVID-19 this year. Still, Australia’s top medical officer, Paul Kelly, stresses the importance of the vaccine amongst a surge in “variants.” ”

      https://thecoloradoherald.com/2021/why-the-delta-variant-is-pseudo-science-and-propaganda/

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        PeterS

        There are other reports coming out that show many thousands of people have died from the COVID-19 vaccine in just one day than due to the virus itself. We need a full and open investigation to see if any of this is true. Trouble is all Western governments are deliberately scuttling all attempts to do so. What does that mean? Either they are convinced they are fake and want to continue on the vaccinate everyone agenda, or they know the figures are true and want to stop the truth coming out and continue on with the vaccinate everyone agenda. Either way they win and we lose. We are possibly dealing with people’s lives on a scale never seen before in the history of mankind yet our governments either don’t give a damn or are part of an evil agenda. Not good!

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          Analitik

          I’m with Gee Aye on this one. You need to provide us the data for thousands of deaths in a single day from COVID-19 vaccination else it discredits our doubts on the safety and efficacy of the vaccines.

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          Tilba Tilba

          There are other reports coming out that show many thousands of people have died from the COVID-19 vaccine in just one day than due to the virus itself. We need a full and open investigation to see if any of this is true.

          It’s the percentage that matters, no?

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            PeterS

            That’s why such reports should be investigated and not ignored in case they are accurate. These are extremely serious allegations. Those who scoff at them and assume straight away they are not real are not doing any good for mankind, and possibly much harm to the point of siding with those who potentially are committing crimes against humanity. If these allegations are true then we are witnessing genocide on a mass scale never seen before. If anyone has a conscious take note. The rest can go to hell.

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              Tilba Tilba

              That’s why such reports should be investigated and not ignored in case they are accurate. These are extremely serious allegations. Those who scoff at them and assume straight away they are not real are not doing any good for mankind, and possibly much harm to the point of siding with those who potentially are committing crimes against humanity. If these allegations are true then we are witnessing genocide on a mass scale never seen before. If anyone has a conscious take note. The rest can go to hell.

              Yeah well … they’re all fine words, but some statistical data would be preferable. The Right creates huge issues (outrages about the Left, mostly) and then attacks the issues they have created! No relation to reality. How about offering some medicinally and statistically verifiable data?

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          greggg

          In the UK, 71,932 unvaccinated dead, 26,495 partly vaccinated dead and 10,834 fully vaccinated dead from Delta strain.

          Table 5.

          https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001358/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_18.pdf

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            Tilba Tilba

            That is completely unfriendly – linking to a 56-page PDF. Pull out the relevant bit, ffs.

            (He did, it is table 5 page 18, took me 10 seconds to find it) CTS

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        Analitik

        That report is out of context. It doesn’t factor in our extremely low infection rate due to the incoming traveller restrictions and lockdowns.

        Not saying I support this mandatory vaccination push at all but that report is the sort of hyperbole that gives the left ammunition to discredit all conservative discourse.

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          PeterS

          We don’t need the left to discredit conservative discourse. The conservatives are doing a good job at that themselves. Why is it I’m the only one who sees it? I’m sure others do too but are reluctant to admit it for some strange reason. Get with the program. The so called conservatives in government are not true conservatives.

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        Sceptical Sam

        As usual in these sorts of comments, the link links to a link that provides no link to the official data.

        It does, however, say this:

        …..the vaccine has been linked to more deaths than COVID in Australia this year.

        …and then spells out that “…two women in Australia have died from the blood clots. The only COVID fatality this year was an 80-year-old traveler who died in April after being infected overseas and diagnosed in hotel quarantine.”

        This year. Why this year? Because, by cherry picking they support their nonsense. There have been 915 covid-19 deaths in Australia in total.

        https://covidlive.com.au/report/deaths

        They ignore the fact that the most vulnerable age cohorts have achieved a very high rate of vaccination. That’s why the mortality is down.

        As such it’s a story that tells the opposite of what Lance is suggesting.

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          Tilba Tilba

          They ignore the fact that the most vulnerable age cohorts have achieved a very high rate of vaccination. That’s why the mortality is down. As such it’s a story that tells the opposite of what Lance is suggesting.

          I agree – for those of us over 60+, vaccination is much safer than the risk of adverse reaction to it. Reports are supporting the view that 99% of US deaths from Covid-19 are among the unvaccinated.

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            PeterS

            99% of US deaths from Covid-19 are among the unvaccinated.

            BS and you knwo it. Know one actually knows the actual percentage as no proper assessment has been made thus far.

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              Sceptical Sam

              I’m sorry Peter, but you are wrong.

              And, the high vaccination rate (76% one dose; 36% 2 doses) in the Australian population over 75 years also accounts for the current low mortality rate in that group.

              Check the figures for yourself:

              https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/covid-19-vaccination-doses-by-age-and-sex

              If you download the PDF you’ll find it easier to read.

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                PeterS

                Don’t be sorry. Just be honest as admit you don’t know. Neither do I. We need a through investigation.

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                PeterS

                BTW, do you really trust their data after the crap about global warming by other government departments, such as BOM. Please tell me you are not that stupid.

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                Sceptical Sam

                Until such time as you and your anti-vaxxer colleagues provide alternative quality data equivalent to that provided by the climate sceptics, I will accept the official data (but always with a sceptical eye).

                You see, Peter, you’ve over-egged your case and have lost any semblance of believability as a result.

                The vaccines work and will reduce Covid-19 mortality rates, irrespective of the nonsense spoken by the people you link to. The data is available. The studies are available. Critique them all you like. When you have debunked them, then you have a case. Bald assertion is not the same as a case.

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                PeterS

                You better change your name. Your scepticism is fake.

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                Sceptical Sam

                Oh, do get a grip man.

                What’s “fake” here are your assertions and emotional outbursts that do nothing to convince we sceptics of your case.

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              Tilba Tilba

              You can deny inconvenient truths all you like … plenty of source material supporting the 99% stat if you care to look.

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                GD

                Don’t send readers on a data hunt. You’re the one making the assertion, you provide the references.

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              Hanrahan

              99% of US deaths from Covid-19 are among the unvaccinated.

              I’m with you Peter. The figures I’ve seen are nothing like that but it’s hard to get direct comparisons. There is a lot of apples and oranges stuff around.

              SS is talking about deaths specifically but “they” have largely stopped talking about them because they are not alarming enough. When I see CASES reported they are predominately among the vaxxed.

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                Sceptical Sam

                Hanrahan, my response at 3.3.3.1.3 below refers.

                “Analysis of available US government data from May shows that infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for about 0.1 per cent of cases”.

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              Sceptical Sam

              “Analysis of available US government data from May shows that infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for about 0.1 per cent of cases”.

              So according to their ABC Tilba Tilba is correct.

              I’ll leave PeterS to do the arithmetic on the percentage of people who died and were unvaccinated. It’s a very big number Peter.

              https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-25/nearly-all-us-covid-deaths-in-us-among-unvaccinated/100243160

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                Tilba Tilba

                Analysis of available US government data from May shows that infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for about 0.1 per cent of cases. So according to their ABC Tilba Tilba is correct.

                I was nearly correct – it’s actually higher than 99%. But why all this debate about this issue? It seems to me if you’re 60+ (possibly 50+) then getting the vaccine is far more secure and safe than not getting it.

                And please ignore stories about spoons and forks sticking to your limbs. LOL

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                PeterS

                ABC as an authoritative source?!! Yes it’s a very big number but not 99%! Stop sprouting BS.

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                Sceptical Sam

                PeterS, I can understand that you can’t accept their ABC’s report. However, you’re right. It’s a big number.

                Perhaps the number is to big for you?

                100% minus 0.1% = 99.9%.

                So yes, you’re correct. It’s not 99%. It’s 99.9%.

                Give it away Peter.

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                PeterS

                I would gladly give the ABC away. In case you haven’t noticed, not even 99.9% equals 100%. Go back to school.

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            yarpos

            “Reports are supporting the view that 99% of US deaths from Covid-19 are among the unvaccinated.”
            ,
            mmmm the nebulous reports, OK here’s one reports say hospitalisations and deaths in Israel are higher among the vaccinated. Alarm bells are ringing there over Pfize

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          MP

          All statistics are annualised, the dishonesty is that this one is not.

          2019 4,124 Influenza and pneumonia deaths ranked 9th in all cause deaths. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/causes-death-australia/latest-release.

          In July 2019 there were 70,071 laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza (flu). That is an average of 2,260 cases a day. Based on the rate of flu cases to deaths of *0.5% there would have been 350 deaths just from the flu in July 2019, that averages 11 per day.

          ” in 2019 there were 313,371 confirmed flu cases with *1,566 deaths.”
          https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/08/the-miracle-of-coronavirus-350-flu-deaths-for-july-2019-just-one-in-july-2020/

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            greggg

            ‘All statistics are annualised, the dishonesty is that this one is not.’

            Yep. Using only data from May smells like cherry picking.

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              MP

              Read then comment, it states July,(even in the link title) seems your a bit slow, this month is July.

              The other is 2019 gruberment statistics

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                greggg

                MP, I was referring to “Analysis of available US government data from May shows that infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for about 0.1 per cent of cases” which is what you were referring when you stated ‘All statistics are annualised, the dishonesty is that this one is not.’ isn’t it?

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                MP

                ooh, but you replied to my comment, even block quoted me.

                The days are getting weird, I am finding I am supposed to read peoples minds every day. Well every day of my married life.

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          greggg

          One big reason for lower mortality is that hospital treatment of covid patients has evolved since last year.

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            MP

            There have been literally non in hospital, how does evolution factor into that? QLD and the NT any +test is a hospital job. NSW is up to the person, home or hospital.
            What is the special treatment of which you speak?

            Lie’s damn lie’s and statistics.

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    MP

    Australian law firm, letter to government on informed consent. Lawyer is good the host is average to below average.
    Link to PDF in the +more section. Lots of links to his claims.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/GgdUxsrN2lKU/

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    another ian

    Bumped from Weekend Open

    If you are interested in rowing have a go at this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_in_the_Boat

    And even if you weren’t (IMO)

    Also gives a picture of just how hard up the “woke generation” isn’t

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    OldOzzie

    Even the Newspapers are noticing

    The Israel factor in growing Delta Covid fears Robert Gottliebsen

    The big fall in US and European shares and the rush to bonds was caused by a much deeper fear than simply a rise in the infections of the unvaccinated.

    It’s possible that the vaccinated may still be vulnerable and this fear drove markets down because such a development has major implications for growth in 2022.

    Most of the initial danger reports are coming out of Israel but the call by Pfizer for booster shots seemed to confirm the Israeli trend.

    Gladys in NSW has made a Big mistake in shutting down Construction in NSW = even Dan of VictoriaStan has never shut down Construction – Don’t upset CFMEU

    The astronomical cost of shutting down Businesses that are the only ones that make profits and pay tax as against Politicians, MPs, Public Servants, Council Employee’s,Academics, Journalists, Teachers etc – all on the Public Teat who have no skin in the game and want shutdowns

    Australia is Screwed by the approach our State and Federal Politicians are taking.

    On the 19/07/2021 in NSW we had 58 Hospitalised Cases and 34 in ICU in a population of 7.4 Million People.

    The numbers have ramped up since South Wales Sydney outbreak – Given BAME statistics in the UK, what is the ethnicity of the hospitalisations – What are their Comorbidities, What were their Vitamin D Levels?

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      If only they had managed the border better, and used antivirals, no lockdown would be needed at all.

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          Tilba Tilba

          Do Aussies really need to take Vitamin D supplements? Isn’t there enough sunshine around – even in winter?

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          John F Hultquist

          Since last March I’ve supplemented with Vit D (just under 5,000 units), eaten beef, potatoes, red onions**, and another supplement with Zinc. And as Jo mentions, I’d look for something to take if I felt sick (Ivermectin for horses is in the frig).

          **Source of Quercetin, a Zinc ionophore

          I have advantages: rural area, retired, healthy, never have an issue with shots (did the 2-doze thing in Feb/March)

          Further, Sun and I don’t play well together. I cover up.

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            redress

            John F Hultquist

            My current supplements…..not going anywhere near a current vaccine. Am in the 70-79 age group, still active on the farm with no health issues.

            Vitamins C and D, Zinc+, Quercetin… Ivermectin in Aus has been transferred to prescription only and the chances of getting my local GP to prescribe for Covid are zero, (Ivermectin) for horses is on hand….also live in western NSW, so bit of a buffer zone.

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              Chris

              I too have my horse wormer on hand. I have done the maths and worked out the necessary dosage. I thought best to do that now in case I got sick and couldn’t think clearly. Vitamins C, D and zinc also at the ready.

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        OldOzzie

        From Catallaxy Files – July 24 is World Ivermectin Day

        July 24 is World Ivermectin Day. There is more than this at the link but this really is the core of it.

        More recently, research has identified Ivermectin’s impressive anti-viral and anti-inflammatory properties. This is important, because a serious case of COVID-19 has at least two phases: viral and inflammatory.

        But research papers are only a tool. Although they help us identify useful medical treatments, that isn’t sufficient. A few years ago I wrote a report arguing that roughly half of published scientific research is probably wrong. The core idea behind the ‘reproducibility crisis’ is that results that look good on paper don’t necessarily pan out. The findings of nine out of 10 landmark cancer research papers couldn’t be reproduced when a second group of scientists attempted to do so. Of 53 research papers, only 6 passed this test (11%).

        Treatments must not only appear promising on paper, they need to work when administered to real patients in the real world. Doctors from around the world report that Ivermectin works against COVID-19. They know it has the power to bring some seriously ill patients back from the brink, after all else has failed.

        Many physicians now believe our overall COVID response has focused on the wrong thing. When Ivermectin is prescribed immediately after a test comes back positive, they say, almost no one requires hospitalization. When it’s given to family members of infected people, additional illness is prevented.
        But rather than treating people early so they never become seriously ill, our focus has been on managing hospital resources such as ICU beds and ventilators.

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      Pauly

      So then, there is this news item from the Jerusalem Post:
      “Vaccine ‘significantly less’ effective against the Delta variant”
      https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/for-first-time-since-march-855-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084

      Israel is a testing ground for the performance of the Pfizer vaccine, as they got in early, and have vaccinated a considerable proportion of their population, including children. While the statistics indicate that the percentage of seriously ill patients has dropped considerably in this fourth wave, compared to the third COVID wave, around 60% of the patients in serious condition have been vaccinated.

      Perhaps as alarming, given the behaviour of Australian politicians lately, is that around 90% of newly infected people over the age of 50 are fully vaccinated.

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Heat Waves – more.
    Simple analysis of the 6 Australian capital city heat waves using little more than adding and subtracting numbers does not support the official mantra that heat waves are becoming hotter, longer and more frequent; that the patterns in heat waves of 3,5,and 10 days duration have different time series patterns to single day values; and do not seem to show the alleged national warming of 1 deg C or so per century. One can get different patterns by using tailored, new definitions of heat wave indices that involve, for example, minimum temperatures whereas mine are all based on maximums. Modelling introduces more uncertainties than simple addition and subtraction and creates greater scope for cherry picking.
    Brisbane, Queensland has a clear example. This top graph of 5-day heat waves, using raw T data as recorded, showed a big event in 1968. Put the raw data through a type of model to homogenize it, then the 1968 dominant peak disappears and the linear trend goes from horizontal to increasing warming. All done by homogenizing some 2 deg C out of the raw data for the dates of 17—21 Nov 1968.
    http://www.geoffstuff.com/brisadj.jpg
    There is no doubt that a heat wave happened. This next graph of raw CDO shows daily Tmax for 5 locations near Brisbane, all less than 70 km away, through November.
    http://www.geoffstuff.com/brisneigh.jpg
    In summary, there was a heat wave in 1968 in Brisbane that was the strongest in 70 years of analysis. There is no warming trend in this 5-day heat wave time series.
    After homogenization modelling, the 1968 peak has been disappeared by the ACORN-SAT process of the Bureau of Meteorology, by subtracting 2 deg C from each of the 5 hottest days of the heat wave. The trend line now shows a warming. The idea of global warming seems confirmed!
    Procedures of this type abound. It takes hours of diligence to reveal the true story, then nobody wants to hear about it. Geoff S

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      OldOzzie

      After homogenization modelling, the 1968 peak has been disappeared by the ACORN-SAT process of the Bureau of Meteorology, by subtracting 2 deg C from each of the 5 hottest days of the heat wave. The trend line now shows a warming. The idea of global warming seems confirmed!

      Procedures of this type abound. It takes hours of diligence to reveal the true story, then nobody wants to hear about it. Geoff S

      This Centre of Melbourne Station 086071 which closed in 2015 has disappeared from BOM main page – just because I have the station number I am able to get it displayed

      Look at Melbourne Maximum Temperature 1968 – select days above 30C – – Jan/Feb/Mar really hot – I know, I was living in Melbourne then.

      http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_nccObsCode=122&p_display_type=dailyDataFile&p_startYear=1968&p_c=-1481708806&p_stn_num=086071

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        OldOzzie

        From the Comments

        Gerard
        35 minutes ago
        (Edited)

        It is becoming increasingly obvious that the vaccines do not work. In fact they may be making the situation worse. And not only in [email protected]

        Early in the vaccination period there were reports in the US of a high rate of ‘breakthrough’ infections. I.e. people who caught Covid after being vaccinated.

        In the UK a high proportion of people currently with covid are those fully vaccinated, and their outcomes are worse than those who are unvaccinated.

        We need to have a good look art what is happening overseas before pushing the ‘vaccinate everyone’ button.

        Meanwhile, as reported in the Australian yesterday, Niger is the country Covid has passed by. It is also the country where most take anti malaria medication. But discussion of that topic is banned.

        Chris 52 minutes ago

        Give me the numbers of [email protected] deaths and hospitalisations (ICU-Ventilator) of fully vaccinated Israelis and then get back to me….A meaningless article without them.

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          OldOzzie

          Oops supposed to be for No 5 in Moderation – The [email protected] factor in growing Delta Covid fears

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            OldOzzie

            Wow less than 1 – could it possibly be

            Meanwhile, as reported in the Australian yesterday, Niger is the country Covid has passed by. It is also the country where most take anti malaria medication. But discussion of that topic is banned.

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              Analitik

              Some of the travel advice for visiting Niger

              Yellow fever and malaria are common. Ensure your accommodation is insect-proof. Use insect repellent. Get vaccinated against yellow fever before you travel. Consider taking anti-malarial medication.

              Waterborne, foodborne and other infectious diseases are common. These include cholera, rabies, hepatitis, polio and bilharzia. Drink only boiled or bottled water. Avoid raw or undercooked food. Don’t swim in fresh water. Ensure your polio vaccinations are up to date.

              I would suggest people there regularly take Hydroxychloriquine and Ivermectin to prevent the parasitic diseases that are prevalent…

              https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/africa/niger

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                clarence.t

                “Hydroxychloriquine and Ivermectin to prevent the parasitic diseases that are prevalent…”

                Unfortunately, the use of Hydroxychloriquine and Ivermectin was basically banned in the USA, (and many other places)..

                … and the parasites are now running the country. !

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          Tilba Tilba

          In the UK a high proportion of people currently with covid are those fully vaccinated, and their outcomes are worse than those who are unvaccinated.

          Is there some evidence of this? With something like 85% of adults over 20 vaccinated in the UK, then it’s statistically likely that a higher percentage of those testing positive are in fact vaccinated. But how many new cases have been prevented among the older age cohorts because of vaccination rates?

          And how many more people who are vaccinated are not requiring hospitalisation, or indeed are not dying, compared to the vaccinated – either now or over the past 18 months? Stats are wonderful.

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            PeterS

            The evidence is there otherwise they would not be announcing those figures. The issue is are they accurate? We need thorough investigations to get to the bottoms of all this mess. Those who don’t want to, such as our governments, are covering up something that’s potentially very serious. Whether they are covering it up because they are clueless and power mad, or whether they are doing it because they have a sinister agenda remains to be seen. Either way it’s a bad reflection of their character.

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              Tilba Tilba

              The evidence is there otherwise they would not be announcing those figures. The issue is are they accurate?

              It needs to be made clearer, not murkier. If 85% of adults over 50 (say) are fully vaccinated, then statistically a higher proportion of those infected will be vaccinated – it’s obvious. But what really matters is what has been the reduction in overall new cases is for the vaccinated 50+ cohort.

              Obviously 10% of 1000 is worse than 40% of 200 … but those with a political point to make won’t recognise that. And further – where is the evidence that the vaccinated suffer more from the virus? I’ve only seen the reverse of that.

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              Sceptical Sam

              Your comment is just more of the same. It’s nonsense.

              Tilba Tilba is correct.

              In case your blindfold inhibits your perception, this is the relevant point:

              With something like 85% of adults over 20 vaccinated in the UK, then it’s statistically likely that a higher percentage of those testing positive are in fact vaccinated. But how many new cases have been prevented among the older age cohorts because of vaccination rates?

              And the answer is: the mortality rate is dropping.

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                PeterS

                You are both missing the point. 99.9% does not equal 100% so there must be some truth in those reports I mentioned and as such must be investigated. Clearly you don’t want to find out the truth and instead like the left cover it up in case it embarrasses them.

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            Tilba Tilba

            compared to the un-vaccinated

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      Neville

      Correct G S and of course deaths from all extreme weather events have fallen off a cliff since 1920 and yet population has increased by about 400% or 1.7 bn to 7.8 bn.
      See also “Our World in data” and Rosling, Goklany , Eschenbach, Lomborg, Koonin, Christy etc. See the extreme weather graph deaths at the link.

      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/25/wheres-the-emergency/

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        yarpos

        Is that because of the events lessening or the arrival of more sophisticated weather forecasting and communications/warning systems or both? The US approach to tornado warnings and our own cyclone warnings 1920 vs 2020 would be examples.

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          Neville

          Yarpos I think everything helps when we live in such a linked and modern world.
          But then again why would we change our reliable BASE LOAD energy etc for a guaranteed ZERO return?
          And of course that huge increase in life exp and HUGE DECREASE in EXTREME events deaths is very sobering as well.
          See my link to the 2015 Lancet study below and the problem of MODERATE COLD deaths.

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          Neville

          Yarpos it also helps when we have less cyclones in OZ region since 1970.
          See BOM link and graph and notice only recent 2015 to ’16 season that we’ve had NO SEVERE cyclones at all.
          A lot of food for thought in that BOM graph over the last 50 years.

          http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/climatology/trends.shtml

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            yarpos

            familiar with that, my concern is the cherry picking aspect and how that affects the argument. Generally I agree that trends in a lot of so called disasters and extremes flies in the face of AGW memes. Hyperbole on our cyclones, US hurricanes and tornadoes, areas burnt in fires, droughts , floods seems to have convenient lapses of memory once the “unprecedented” train gets rolling.

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      Peter C

      It takes hours of diligence to reveal the true story, then nobody wants to hear about it.

      A few people take note but it should be a lot more.

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      MP

      Hi Jeff I have been meaning to ask which mines you worked at, I have worked with or for you, but can’t remember which Mine or which country.
      I think you may of been maintenance?

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      Dave

      Well done Geoff!

      Once you get rid of the BIG early Heat Waves…

      Everything seems hotter!

      BOM, MSM, everything has been wiped.

      Search 1968 Brisbane Heatwave = NOTHING!

      ACORN-SAT process of the Bureau of Meteorology THERMOMIX of results are criminal!

      Great analysis! Thank you.

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      OldOzzie

      Again think we have been sold a Pup – Meanwhile, as reported in the Australian yesterday, Niger is the country Covid has passed by. It is also the country where most take anti malaria medication. But discussion of that topic is banned.

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      PeterS

      I hope some skilled people are collecting all the data before they make it disappear in the event that at some later time it can be used in a trial involving crimes against humanity by our so called “elected officials”. Just as in the case of the Nuremberg trials they can’t use the excuse they were only taking the advice of the experts or just taking orders. Just yesterday it has been revealed that the recent actions taken in NSW to stop all construction work in Sydney was NOT based on the advice of health experts but was solely a political decision. Time for construction companies to sue the NSW government.

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    Peter C

    Arizona, Georgia and now Texas.
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/breaking-texas-rep-steve-toth-files-bill-forensic-audit-top-13-population-counties-texas/

    Trump won Texas yet;

    According to analyst Seth Keshel those counties represent over half-a-million imaginary Biden votes.

    The legislation requires a 2/3 majority vote to take immediate effect. With almost all the Democrat elected members having fled the state that might not happen, but there is provision for the bill (if passed) to take effect anyway with a delay.

    The scale of voting irregularites discovered so is almost beyond comprehension, yet it seems to go even wider and deeper and nation wide. So how it must be exposed and brought down.

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      Peter C

      So far we have not yet got to the allegation that the Dominion voting machines were programmed to swap about 3% of the actual votes for Trump to Biden. That should come out when the actual figures for the hand count of the Arizona audit are released, even if Dominion and the electoral officers do not release the machine access codes.

      I think there will be also be a discrepancy between the number of voting papers and the votes displayed by the machines. Stand bye for that.

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        But they have had months to get the paper to add up to the electronic count. The electronic count was only important on Nov 3 or 4, then there were days to get in late mail ins….

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          Peter C

          That is true,

          Were they good at covering their tracks?

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            Richard Jenkins

            Peer C,
            The Democrats were hopeless at covering up this election fraud.
            CCTV, Dead votes, Paper used, Ink, Identical bllots. Ghost votes.Democrats thought it easy with their MSM.
            The lying MSM is the only reason Biden is POTUS. How often were we told “no good evidence!”?
            The Arizona audit has proved forensically that the thousands of avidavites are to be trusted.
            It is not over. Give the Biden Democrats time. Americans need to see how incompent and dishonest this government is and reassured that crime does not pay.
            After January when the evil is obvious and citizens hurting Trump can be reinstated with huge triumph because election fraud fails.
            Oliver North’s new book explains that Americas did not fight wars for this type of government.

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              Tilba Tilba

              The Arizona audit has proved forensically that the thousands of avidavites [sic] are to be trusted.

              It has done no such thing. The “Cyber Ninjas” crowd haven’t even yet demonstrated that they can count votes accurately twice – they keep getting different totals.

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                Peter C

                The “Cyber Ninjas” crowd haven’t even yet demonstrated that they can count votes accurately twice – they keep getting different totals.

                Did you make that up?

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      Tilba Tilba

      The scale of voting irregularities discovered so is almost beyond comprehension, yet it seems to go even wider and deeper and nation wide. So how it must be exposed and brought down.

      But yet – no court in the land (including the Republican-stacked US Supreme Court) has been presented with credible evidence anywhere, that there were voting “irregularities”, despite 60 or more attempts. What does this tell us? That the entire court system was corruptly anti-Trump? I don’t think so.

      And 49 of 50 states certified their Electoral College votes by the safe-harbor due date of 8 December – Wisconsin was a day late because of a delayed legal procedure. What does this tell us? That voting officials in all 50 states were more than satisfied that the voting process was done properly.

      What part of this is difficult to understand? I’m at a loss to understand why people believe the election was stolen from Trump.

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        Peter C

        But yet – no court in the land (including the Republican-stacked US Supreme Court) has been presented with credible evidence anywhere, that there were voting “irregularities”, despite 60 or more attempts. What does this tell us?

        It tells us that so far no court has yet heard the evidence. The courts keep finding reasons not to hear the cases.

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    OriginalSteve

    Appears the vaccines may contain a lot of graphene oxide. The interview with these medical researchers appears to suggest the graphene moves toward people’s heads ( a clot maker that targets the head? ), has magnetic properties and they suggest it lays down an internal “antenna”.

    Are these vaccines a bio-mechanical weapon that targets neurological activity through nano technology?

    I think about the quantum leap in WW2 of the nuclear bomb, so is a nano weapon so far fetched?

    One colleague in my office is complaining of bad jaw pain after first cov19 pfuzer jab.

    Doctors treated it as an infection, but if these researchers are right, could it be a hidden blood clot in the jaw joint area, or graphene poisoning in the localised area. Its not a dental issue.

    https://www.orwell.city/2021/07/graphene-oxide.html?m=1

    “Ricardo Delgado: It seems that the body has a certain capacity to naturally eliminate graphene oxide through certain immunological mechanisms.  Once inside the body it acts as if it were a biological agent as such, as if it were precisely SARS-CoV-2. precursor of glutathione. So that is why, we probably suspect, they are trying to introduce a second and a third dose. Now intranasally.  They are already talking about new intranasal vaccines with graphene oxide nanoparticles.  Both for influenza and COVID-19, because in aerosols it is much more potent. 

    “We’ve also seen scientific studies from February to September 2020  of a treatment for COVID-19 with N-Acetylcysteine, which is a precursor of glutathione. And on the one hand we know that precisely N-acetylcysteine or glutathione itself degrades graphene oxide.  That is why we think that we probably hit directly on the causative or etiological agent of the disease.  

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      Tilba Tilba

      Appears the vaccines may contain a lot of graphene oxide. The interview with these medical researchers appears to suggest the graphene moves toward people’s heads ( a clot maker that targets the head? ), has magnetic properties and they suggest it lays down an internal “antenna”.

      LOL Stand by for more reports that spoons, forks, and car-keys are clinging to people’s arms and foreheads!

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      Sceptical Sam

      Really OS?

      And’ 20% of Americans believe that microchips are contained within the Covid-19 vaccines too.

      https://www.jpost.com/omg/20-percent-of-americans-believe-microchips-are-inside-covid-19-vaccine-study-674272

      Is there yet a test for “chip insertion via Covid-19 vaccine” available?

      My mate, Hercules Papadopoulos, is an expert on them. He can pick a chip from 400 metres. It’s a piece of (potato) cake to him. He says they still work even when he’s fished them out. He found one the other day that had a fish-eye lens incorporated into it. Boy-o-boy! You should have seen the pictures.

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        OriginalSteve

        i think unless youre a nano technology expert, we cant discount a new form of bio war fare.

        During WW2 we went from hirse and cart to nuclear. Im expecting a similar jump intech.

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      MrGrimNasty

      Everything described within below could be used for good, but what could an evil mind do?

      https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17425247.2021.1860938

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    TdeF

    On the floods, headline in the Australian “Climate runs ahead of Scientists”. But I looked back at the reporting in 2002 of the same devastating floods in Germany. Friday 12th August 2002.

    Consider “The Elbe – fed by high water that devastated Prague earlier this week – rose to 8.9 metres (above 29 feet) early today, breaking the previous all-time high of 8.76 metres reached in 1845. Still rising, the river was expected to crest later today.

    The authorities began the evacuation of up to 33,000 Dresden residents from their homes”

    In the Guardian no less, not a single mention of Climate Change because it didn’t exist. It was only invented in the last ten years as it became apparent Global Warming was a fizzer.

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    another ian

    From an email

    “Imagine if you will a world where every Tweet and Meme must be fact-checked but not a ballot.

    They call it the Twilight Zone”

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    Neville

    Also G S the 2015 Lancet study found that MODERATE COLD was the big killer all around the world and Australia.
    See FIG 2 graphs for countries at the link. Deaths from extreme heat was very low in Australia and around the world.
    BTW 74.2 million deaths used in this mega study.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)62114-0/fulltext

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    V.

    analysis of data from Israel:

     The above study reveals that while in February 2021 (31/1-27/2) the unvaccinated dominated the COVID cases by a ratio of 20:1, six months later in June 2021 (6/6-3/7) it is actually the vaccinated who are prone to be infected by a ratio of 5:1. It is the vaccinated who happen to develop symptoms by a ratio of 5:1. It is the vaccinated who are more likely to be hospitalized and develop critical illness. If Israel was a ‘world experiment,’ as Benjamin Netanyahu presented it at one stage, this experiment is now turning into a disaster (at least for the vaccinated). In Israel, the vaccinated are becoming infected at a growing rate and as such are spreading the virus rather than stopping it. We also have a good reason to believe that the rest of the Western world will witness a similar pattern as it has followed the Israeli vaccine doctrine.

    https://gilad.online/writings/2021/7/14/a-catastrophe-unveils-itselfnbsp

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      Analitik

      An interesting article. I really wish there was an english option on the Israeli government health site so I could validate those figures and pass them on to the vaccine consensus crowd

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      redress

      V….
      What are the hospitalization and death rate percentages of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated ?????

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        Analitik

        In the article, recent hospitalization rates for those fully vaccinated are about double that for those unvaccinated so less than the infection difference but still higher.

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      Tilba Tilba

      Evidence from the US suggests that 99% of those dying from Covid-19 over the last month or three have been unvaccinated. Seems like a sufficient incentive to me.

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    Greg Cavanagh

    A female friend of mine posted a comment on Facebook about the vaccine. Her post got fact checked.

    It’s a pretty sad state of affairs when a post from a common citizen has their posts to their friends fact checked for accuracy.

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      MP

      Everyone knows FB do this. Friends are on email and telephone.
      FB is for virtue signaling narcissists.

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        and for people who get their facts right apparently.

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          MP

          How is your FactBook account going.

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            well photos of kids amuse relatives and buy nothing is a great way of getting rid of junk. I’ve never used it for a news source nor am I sure how.

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              Which is btw how most people use it. I don’t see what is so scary.

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                OldOzzie

                well photos of kids amuse relatives

                Agreed – closed family group for family photos only use of Facebook

                Use GitHub to read read world newspapers.

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                MP

                My neighbor on the other farm is a doctor of Physiology, he gets all and I mean all his news from FB, his wife from Redit.
                If it isn’t on those two it did not happen.

                Been many a family spat over FB posts. Not about scary, its about freedom of speech.

                This is the only Social media I am on, bar video platforms, but no accounts.

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                another ian

                IIRC you give FB the copyright to any such you post there

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                MP

                For F’s sake, Psychology.
                I would blame spell check, but we all know who’s at fault.

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                yarpos

                really? you claim to know how “most people” use it

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              PeterS

              That’s all very well and good, which means FB should be banning all political talk and not just one side of them only. Otherwise, they should allow all sides of a discussion to be debated openly. Don’t you agree?

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                Honestly I don’t care one way or the other. I don’t use it for debate or know anyone who does.

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                PeterS

                So you don’t care that people on one side of a political debate are blocked but the other side are not. Your true colours are once again displayed for all.

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                Analitik

                Gee Aye, the issue is that there are plenty who push CAGW and CoviD scare on Facebook (not to mention Russiagate, election validity etc) and those never get fact checked.

                Sure, it’s foolish to use Facebook as an information source (except for Marketplace) but it is exempt from liability that news outlets face so it shouldn’t be applying its own judgement on content

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                clarence.t

                “Honestly….. “

                Now that’s unprecedented !!

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          clarence.t

          “their facts right apparently.”

          According to current PCVS mantra…

          reality.. not so much.

          But you knew that didn’t you.

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      V.

      biden regime has already unveiled plans to ‘fact’ check private telephone communications.

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          OldOzzie

          Do twisted pair landlines still exist? – we had to replace reliable twisted pair landline with VOIP with NBN – Utterly useless – lousy reception and prone to NBN outages.

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            PeterS

            Doesn’t matter. The snooping is done at the routers where all digital communications have to go through, as well as with packet sniffers. In my IT days I managed routers and used packet sniffers for diagnosing issues and it’s amazing how much information one can view. Unless it’s encrypted it’s so easy. As for the encrypted data and VoIP I’m sure they have ways to get to the information.

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              OldOzzie

              Remember using datascopes across communications lines to analyse packet data

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              OriginalSteve

              Wireshark is surprisingly powerful.

              I wouldnt be surprised if AS** has a dedicated trunk into every phone switch in the country….

              I’d expect the same in every NBN telco as well.

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                PeterS

                I was old school even back then and kept on using tcpdump for a long time before using the fancier tools.

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              yarpos

              Oddly high number of ex comms people here, I confess also.

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              Grogery

              In terms of Voip services (SIP trunks, on-premise voip phones, etc), most value for money voice service providers available to Australian customers do not currently support encryption of voip packets, particularly RTP (speech packets). If you do a Wireshark packet capture of a SIP trunk call, you can playback the whole conversation.

              Even if you do have a VSP that supports encryption, the packets are only encrypted between your voip devices (IP-PBX, voip phone) and their SIP servers. There are many other routing points between you and the party you are speaking with where the call can be monitored.

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            MP

            I have copper still, no mobile reception here, sat TV that I don’t use much and internet, bliss.

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            Greg Cavanagh

            Yes party line twisted pair still exist. There’s plenty of areas where nbn haven’t gotten to and no G4 network.

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          V.

          piece of string and two cans.

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      Forrest Gardener

      What form did the “fact” checking take? Was the comment deleted, did it have a warning attached to it, or something else?

      I don’t use friendface or jitter but I am interested in censorship of opinions. That cannot end well.

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        Greg Cavanagh

        A warning label, that it wasn’t accurate information.

        My point was that it was simply “citizen A” talking with her friends: Gets fact checked.

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          Forrest Gardener

          Thanks Greg. I agree with your point. I was just curious at what they did. This cannot end well for the would be masters of the universe.

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    Lance

    The 6 killer “Apps” of Prosperity.. What it takes for a civilization to succeed or to fail.

    https://www.ted.com/talks/niall_ferguson_the_6_killer_apps_of_prosperity/transcript

    Competition
    Scientific Revolution
    Property Rights
    Modern Medicine
    Consumer Economy
    Work Ethic

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    MP

    Mod I have a Vid in moderation of an Aussie law firms letter to government.

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    another ian

    Looks like “Red Thumber” got out of bed the wrong side this morning and is doing a bulk issue

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      MP

      Rules is rules.

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      David Maddison

      Red Thumb seems to usually get out of bed well after midday AEST.

      It (I won’t assume its pronouns) probably lives a leisurely life at taxpayer expense.

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        Analitik

        Last Sunday, the red thumber didn’t put his/her stamp of disapproval across the thread until mid-afternoon vs about 10:30 this morning so I guess during the week, red thumbing is done during morning tea.

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    David Maddison

    Renew Economy says the Olympic flame in Tokyo will be from “renewable hydrogen”.

    Did someone not learn that hydrogen burns with a nearly invisible flame?

    They have a picture showing a visible flame here:

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/olympic-flame-to-use-renewable-hydrogen-as-tokyo-makes-pitch-for-carbon-free-future/

    The article goes on to say:

    “After the Olympic games, the athlete’s village will be converted to residential accommodation, with properties to be connected to a supply of renewable hydrogen as an alternative to supplying homes with conventional fossil gas.”

    Good luck cooking with that invisible, highly explosive gas.

    From Wikipedia:

    “The flammability limits based on the volume percent of hydrogen in air at 14.7 psia (1 atm, 101 kPa) are 4.0 and 75.0. The flammability limits based on the volume percent of hydrogen in oxygen at 14.7 psia (1 atm, 101 kPa) are 4.0 and 94.0.”

    “The limits of detonability of hydrogen in air are 18.3 to 59 percent by volume”

    “Flames in and around a collection of pipes or structures can create turbulence that causes a deflagration to evolve into a detonation, even in the absence of gross confinement.”

    (For comparison: Deflagration limit of gasoline in air: 1.4–7.6%; of acetylene in air, 2.5% to 82%)

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    David Maddison

    On the topic of fun with hydrogen, I was in the lab once and the technician was blowing a pure quartz silica glass ampule for me for a crystal growth experiment. The silica glass doesn’t soften until 1750-1800C and the normal gas flame wasn’t hot enough so oxy-hydrogen was used. The flame was invisible and he accidentally put his thumb in it and the room instantly filled with smoke. Fortunately he only made a glancing connection to his thumbnail which acted as an ablative material and he was OK.

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    David Maddison

    Gee Aye, they are talking about adding 20% hydrogen to the existing natural gas supply. Not running on pure hydrogen.

    The RE article talks about hydrogen as an alternative not as an additive.

    And good luck digging up all the old steel and cast iron pipes to replace them with plastic because ferrous metals suffer from hydrogen entitlement.

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      David Maddison

      That was a reply to 17.1.1.1.

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      Peter C

      I think the old coal gas supply in Melbourne contained a proportion of Hydrogen.
      It seemed to work ok. There may have been explosions. TdeF probably knows.

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        TdeF

        Coal gas/Town Gas as it used to be called was a byproduct of creating coke (pure carbon) for steel making and for Melbourne it was our major energy source. There were gasometers across Melbourne and England. Yes, town gas contained many things including “hydrogen, carbon monoxide, methane, ethylene and volatile hydrocarbons together with small quantities of non-calorific gases such as carbon dioxide and nitrogen.” The carbon monoxide made it deadly though, which is why it was important that it stank. I had been told that something else was added to warn of leaks, but given that creosote was a byproduct, I would guess that as a major smell. Modern natural gas, methane and ethane are relatively benign but explosive in confined spaces and can feed back into lines and bottles without a flash back arrestor.

        I am not aware though of explosions as being common. Possibly because without confined spaces town gas and natural gas escape readily as opposed to LPG which is heavier than air and pools. There was that terrible tragedy in Spain where a road tanker ruptured and acres of LPG exploded at the sea side.

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          Richard Owen No.3

          TdeF:
          Coke was made by thermal decomposition of coal, removing various volatile ingredients and some that were manufactured in the process. Creosote also called coal tar was a major product, often used for various things involving killing bugs. Coal tar epoxy paint used to be a standard coating for inground steel pipelines as it ‘deterred’ bacteria, fungi and various animals from eating (by extermination) into the covering.
          Years ago, when I was still working for a paint company, the Yanks who had just taken the firm over discovered a nearly full drum of creosote in stock, and had hysterics. Said drum (and the business of using it to make coal tar epoxy paint) was shoved onto a small firm who wanted the business. (Actually, the Yanks managed to lose of all the business in 10 years). Creosote was a dark brown smelly material used for sterilising out door ‘dunnies’**.
          Creosote was sometimes fractionated into chemicals e.g. phenol, o-cresol, p-cresol etc. It was also added as a ‘booster’ to solvent paint strippers.
          Coke is quite high in carbon with some minerals and is desirable for steel production.

          Town gas (sometimes called Water Gas) was made from coal or coke. It was heatd by partial combustion with air until red-hot then exposed to water vapour/steam which reacted to form hydrogen and carbon monoxide (and some carbon dioxide). This was what went into those gasometers. I don’t know if anything was added to increase the smell (or if it was necessary).

          ** It amused me in Health & Safety to read advertisements in ‘green’ magazines for Scotts Phenyle – the proven disinfectant for (non-flushing) toilets. Great stress was made of its years of proof and its natural (chemical-free) composition.

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      Scissor

      Hydrogen entitlement? That sounds racist.

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    Don B

    The world could learn something about Covid treatments by studying Nigeria. The Covid death rate in Nigeria is one-half of one percent of the death rate in the USA – 10 per million vs. 1877 per million (Worldometer data https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ ).

    While the average age is low and obesity is low in Nigeria, both helpful, drug use may be the most important factor.

    Nigeria has a quarter of the world’s cases of malaria and 40% of the world’s cases of river blindness. Chloroquine, and other drugs, is used for malaria, while Ivermectin is used for river blindness. I have read, but I cannot now put my finger on the source, that Nigeria is the world leader in Ivermectin usage.

    https://healthguide.ng/malaria-in-nigeria/

    https://www.clinmedjournals.org/articles/jide/journal-of-infectious-diseases-and-epidemiology-jide-6-157.php?jid=jide

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    Speedy

    Morning all. Don’t know about you, but I’m getting sick of all this wet stuff dropping out the sky. It’s drizzling again and they reckon we’re going to get another 10 Flanneries tomorrow as well.

    We could use a bit of global warming at the moment.

    Cheers,

    Speedy

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      MP

      Are you in NQ, cause the wet stuff will stop and the grass will stop growing, 4 weeks from now you will be complaining about the dry.
      As is the QLD way.

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        Speedy

        G’day MP.

        We’re in Perth, the world’s first climate change ghost town, if some people are to be believed.

        Used to be up in Townsville, beautiful place and beautiful people. Didn’t like the cane toads but they did wonders for the golf swing.

        Cheers,

        Speedy

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      Dave in the States

      Can we borrow some? Actually we had good thunder storm this afternoon.

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        MP

        Not borrow, Buy. I read it will never rain in the USA again, except when it does, so the IOU would be as worthless as the US dollar.

        Unless you are not in the states, which makes your tag deceptive and is another good reason to loan you nothing.

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      OldOzzie

      Germany knew the floods were coming, but the warnings didn’t work

      Weather scientists say a ‘monumental failure of the system’ is directly to blame for the death and devastation triggered by a month’s worth of rain that fell in two days this week

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    RicDre

    Report: Philadelphia’s Electric Bus Fleet in Complete Shambles

    From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

    JULY 19, 2021

    By Paul Homewood

    More than two dozen electric Proterra buses first unveiled by the city of Philadelphia in 2016 are already out of operation, according to a WHYY investigation.

    The entire fleet of Proterra buses was removed from the roads by SEPTA, the city’s transit authority, in February 2020 due to both structural and logistical problems—the weight of the powerful battery was cracking the vehicles’ chassis, and the battery life was insufficient for the city’s bus routes. The city raised the issues with Proterra, which failed to adequately address the city’s concerns.

    The city paid $24 million for the 25 new Proterra buses, subsidized in part by a $2.6 million federal grant.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/07/19/report-philadelphias-electric-bus-fleet-in-complete-shambles/

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      OriginalSteve

      Probably didnt order extension leads long enough…tsk….

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      Hanrahan

      If the heavy batteries break the chassis then it must be doing something similar to roads.

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        Chad

        More likely its the roads breaking the chassis !
        Why would a ton or two of batteries be any worse for the roads than a few tons of trash or beer bottles,..or concrete pumpers , or ..etc etc ??

        Ps..this exact report was posted and discussed in the last open thread !!🙄

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    Liberator

    Has Peter Fitzroy joined up to The Australasian recently or has he always been a subscriber?

    The only reason I ask was there were a lot of comments from a PeterF to counter and reply to any climate change denial comments made in the comments section of the paper to an OP about that subject, “Australia leads way on climate but Left media ignores sins of China and US hypocrisy” By Chris Mitchell

    Peter can you confirm?

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    M Allinson

    I have decided to play the Left by their own rules.

    Thus I am now a Transvaxxite.

    I have not had the jab, but I IDENTIFY as a person who has had both doses.

    Vaccination is a long and wide spectrum, and those who can’t accept me for who I am are bigots who should be ashamed of themselves.

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      PeterS

      Excellent! So we ought to expect them to provide vaccine passports for those stating they are vaccinated even though they didn’t get the shots. Otherwise, it would be discriminatory and therefore illegal not to provide them. We all should get them.

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      MP

      Got to play that one, if they make it to my door.

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      rowingboat

      Post of the day, thanks for the laugh!

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      OriginalSteve

      Simply telling people that medically speaking, cv19 is about as dangerous as a bad flu and has a marginally higher death rate than a bad flu, is a very powerful statement. Ive told many who will listen this.

      You can eventually see the penny drop….thent hey start seriously fuming.

      The simple truth will set us free……

      Once more and more people realise Cv19 is nothing more than a hug con thats destroyed thier lives, watch it all kick off.

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      MP

      I think a protest is this Saturday, it is overseas and Aus generally follow. Half our population is under solitary confinement and our opportunity for mass protest is gone. Don’t worry QLD will be with you as soon as the Chook gets back from the raffle.

      Of course everyone on this site will do as they have always done, NOTHING.

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        MP

        Scratch SA, they are done for the winter, 4 cases. 2.5 Klm from home, 90 mins a day max.

        “Elective surgery is on hold and construction will not be allowed to go ahead.” Not enough dying from the Rona, well this method was so effective last year.

        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/south-australia-moves-into-lockdown/100306696

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          Richard Owen No.3

          MP:

          Yes, Steve Marshmellow has completely lost the plot. Went out around midday (to pickup something ordered previous day) and couldn’t see much difference except a few shops already shut down. Local Fruit and Vegetable barn was very busy. Still lots of fools on the road. A few People wandering around with (quite useless) masks on. No doubt tomorrow the whole State will be suffering.
          The only ‘good thing’ is that it makes it almost certain that the Libs will lose the State election next year, despite the opposition being composed of the same incompetent fools (except their new leader) as were there before they lost the last one.
          Poor fella (and getting poorer) my State.

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            MP

            RO3, Somehow I got the feeling they are all in this together and will have us all indoors together, because keeping us apart brings us together.
            My god, we are being governed by f#*king catch phrases.

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        PeterS

        Let’s just wait for a few more months. It will be very telling I’m sure one way or the other. I do hope our governments stop scaremongering. It has turned into a mania. What I fear and hope doesn’t happen is they turn viral and start harassing people in any number of ways for not being vaccinated. The current coercion is already gone too far and is arguably illegal but if they go harder on us then it’s definitely stepping over the line and all bets are off.

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          MP

          Yep, lets just wait, that method is tried and true and has worked so well for the last 18 months. 14 days to flatten the curve and 492 days latter
          There is only one direction this is going to be allowed to go.
          Though I tend to to leave the predictions to El Nostradamus, his hit rate is dismal.
          There is going to be a point where permanent lock down deployed be it for this, the climate or the next crock they come up with, but I think this is it, with the northern hemisphere to join in their Autumn.

          Business in private hands will not survive this Flu season in solitary confinement, who cares, still got Amazon and Woollies.

          A few more months.

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            el gordo

            So you want to follow the lead of the UK?

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            PeterS

            Things happen slowly even when the wheels are driven by evil people. In any case it will be months before the truth sinks into the thick skulls of so many people who still don’t know what’s happening around them. Also, we don’t know how bad the vaccines are as yet. If they are as bad as some say then expect people literally to be dropping dead in our streets. I hope not. So, my guess at the moment is the long term effect will be the real eye opener – that will take years.

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              MP

              I do not know how, when, where or why.
              Both sides, there is so much propaganda, doing its purpose.
              All I know is the MSM and government are liars and if I discount their crap and believe the opposite, I will be better off.

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              Serp

              Unless something worse happens…

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      Dennis

      Great Reset – Build Back Better – New Green Deal – COVID-19;

      First, they came for the Communists,
      and I didn’t speak up,
      because I wasn’t a Communist.
      Then they came for the Jews,
      and I didn’t speak up,
      because I wasn’t a Jew.
      Then they came for the Catholics,
      and I didn’t speak up,
      because I was a Protestant.
      Then they came for me,
      and by that time there was no one
      left to speak up for me.

      Martin Niemoller, a former junior officer in the German Navy.

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      el gordo

      ‘When is it our turn to rise up?’

      Better wait for Spring.

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    Tides of Mudgee

    Considering Bill Gates in 2015 advocated for a reduction in global population and that he is one of the biggest supporters and profiteers from the Covid “vaccine”, does anyone know if he has had the shot? What’s the betting. ToM

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    Hmm!

    With the Olympic Games now close to being under way, and with no officials game enough to say anything about the trans athletes competing in the ‘women’s’ events, I was just wondering how many trans athletes made it onto men’s teams.

    Tony.

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    Pauly

    Saturday, July 24th, is World Ivermectin Day!
    https://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2021/07/19/world-ivermectin-day/

    It even has its own website:
    https://worldivermectinday.org/

    And some physicians have developed protocols for treating COVID infected patients:
    https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/

    As the top article points out, it is a pity that Australia’s leading medical experts prefer infected people becoming really sick, ending up in hospitals and ICU and so becoming a useful statistic. They must have missed those lessons about treating infected people early and so preventing serious illness.

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    el gordo

    Records fall in the old country.

    ‘It was the hottest day ever in Northern Ireland on Saturday, with 31.2C recorded in Ballywatticock, in County Down, at 3.40pm, beating the previous highest temperature of 30.8C, reached on 12 July 1983 and 30 June 1976.

    ‘In England, 30.3C was recorded in Coton In The Elms in Derbyshire on Saturday, surpassing the 29.7C recorded in south-west London on 14 June.

    ‘Also on Saturday, record temperatures were recorded in Usk, Monmouthshire, Wales, at 29.6C, and in Threave, in the Dumfries and Galloway region of Scotland, at 28.2C.’ (Sky News)

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    David Maddison

    Excellent short article by Victor Davis Hanson.

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-davis-hanson/victor-david-hanson-democratic-party-wont-admit-its-become-the-party-of-wealth-2401811/

    The two parties are switching class constituents. Some 65 percent of the Americans making more than $500,000 a year are Democrats, and 74 percent of those who earn less than $100,000 a year are Republicans, according to IRS statistics. Gone are the days of working people automatically voting Democratic or Republicans being caricatured as a party of stockbrokers on golf courses.

    By 2018, Democratic representatives were in control of all 20 of the wealthiest congressional districts. In the recent presidential primaries and general election, 17 of the 20 wealthiest ZIP codes gave more money to Democratic candidates than to Republicans.

    Increasingly, the Democrats are a bicoastal party of elites from corporate America, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, the media, universities, entertainment and professional sports. All have made out like bandits from globalization.

    Democrats have lost much of their support from working-class whites, especially in the interior of the country. But they are also fast forfeiting the Hispanic middle class and beginning to lose solidarity among middle-class African Americans.

    The Democratic Party does not wish to admit it has become the party of wealth. All too often its stale revolutionary speechifying sounds more like penance arising from guilt than genuine advocacy for middle-class citizens of all races.

    The wealthy leftist elite has mastered the rhetoric of ridicule for the lower-middle classes, especially struggling whites. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden wrote off their political opponents as supposedly crude, superstitious and racist, smearing them as “clingers,” “deplorables,” irredeemables” and “chumps.”

    See link for rest.

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      Hanrahan

      They never admit to being the party of slavery and segregation after abolition either. Why should they admit they are in the pocket of Wall St?

      Little League baseball never paid the Clintons fortunes to speak to them. I don’t believe the publishers of the Clintons’ and Obamas’ works ever recovered their fabulous advances and Netflix is a blatant money laundering outfit with the deals they do with leftists. These publishers aren’t acting on their own, they must be conduits for some of the ocean of black money being delivered to the grifters.

      I have no idea why the left holds so much appeal to Bankers but they toss in so much money no one misses out, its your party no matter how few votes you deliver or how many bombers you order. It’s the party of the people, provided you are one of the chosen people.

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    David Maddison

    I’m surprised that there hasn’t been an outcry about conservative Katie Hopkins being deported from Australia for no more than a thought crime. All she did was make a joke about answering the door naked when under hotel quarantine. Obviously Australians have lost their sense of humour.

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      Hanrahan

      I like Katies earthy prose. She has been around, she has a metal plate in her skull even. That’s bragging rights. 🙂

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    David Maddison

    (US) Leftist insanity gets even worse…

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/animals/asian-carp-fish-given-new-name-after-old-one-is-deemed-racist/news-story/60310f7e791c9c595b4167d28f519111

    Asian carp’ fish given new name after old one is deemed racist

    JULY 20, 2021 8:27AM

    The Asian carp is getting a new name from wildlife agencies who think the title is offensive — but some critics say the move is a solution fishing for a problem.

    The US Fish and Wildlife Service rebranded the freshwater fish wreaking havoc in the Midwest as “invasive carp” in April.

    “We wanted to move away from any terms that cast Asian culture and people in a negative light,” Charlie Wooley, director of the Great Lakes Regional Office for the service, told The Associated Press.

    See link for rest.

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      another ian

      I’m not “green with brown arms” as an old joke had it but I’ve been advising politicians to “put that on their calendars”

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    el gordo

    ‘Scientists will have to get over their reticence to engage with the sightings. We are in an awkward position.

    ‘Rapid progress in finding planets orbiting other stars has led to a projection of 300 million habitable planets in our galaxy. There has been plenty of time for life on some of those planets to evolve intelligence and technology. We don’t deny the possibility of aliens traveling from their star system to ours. We are just unconvinced by the data presented so far.

    (Military Times)

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    MP

    Someone posted a link to the ABC of photo’s of the tragedy of Covid in Sydney a few days ago, I have looked and cannot find the article.
    The one I found on your ABC web site only has 2 photo’s the other had a half dozen. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-16/nsw-covid-19-hospitalisation-rates-highest-in-over-a-year/100294864

    Can’t remember who posted it, can anyone help here?

    Never got the actors names, the photo’s looked so staged. I was hoping to nominate them for a Logie.

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      Graeme P.

      I’d like to see a class action by the families of those who died of covid where the treating doctors refused to administer safe and proven treatments such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.

      https://covid19criticalcare.com/about/

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      PeterS

      If you are referring to the hospital patient – yes that’s confirmed it was staged.

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        MP

        Not the TV add, that was obvious. It was an article on the ABC web site that was linked. Photo’s of two people in perfect pose, one in B&W with the lighting just right. Different to the one I linked.

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    Rod

    Anyone up for some reading?

    Article from 2021 explains that there is evidence that covid19 is able to kill macrophages by using antibody dependent mechanisms: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.22.432407v1

    Journal article from 2020 explains why immune disorders happen with covid vax, because human and Covid19 proteins are similar: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589909020300186

    Article on how the Covid19 spike protein crosses the blood-brain barrier: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096999612030406X?via%3Dihub

    Japanese article on how the Pfizer vax is associated with brain hemorrhaging (lending credence to the hypothesis that the spike proteins are crossing the blood brain barrier in some people): https://joppp.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40545-021-00326-7

    Article on how AstraZeneca is associated with blood clots in the brain (lending more credence to the hypothesis that the spike proteins are crossing the blood brain barrier in some people): https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104840

    Pfizer animal testing document that was obtained by Dr. Byram Bridle through a FOI request to the Japanese government which shows the biodistribution of the lipid-nano particles throughout the bodies and organs of the test subjects. This is evidence that the lipid nanoparticles do not stay in the injecton site, but instead travel all throughout the body (go to pg 16/23 for the charts showing biodistribution over the course of 48hrs): https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf

    Article with evidence that spike proteins do end up circulating in the blood, when they’re not supposed to, they’re supposed to be anchored on the cell membranes: https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075

    Meta-analysis on the efficacy of Ivermectin in treating Covid19: https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx

    Ivermectin stops replication of covid: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

    Ivermectin has anti-viral properties: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3888155/

    Ivermectin has anti-viral properties against covid: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z

    Ivermectin safe to give 12mg per day for 5 days: https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712%2820%2932506-6/fulltext

    Ivermectin safely administered 60mg per day for 6 months: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10428194.2020.1786559

    Article on how the spike protein can cause neurodegeneration: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X2100499X?via%3Dihub

    No benefit from vaccination of previously infected individuals: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2

    Covid19 infection produces long lasting immunity: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4

    Journal article with evidence that the spike protein by itself can damage cells by binding to ACE2, causing the cells mitochondria to lose their shape and break apart: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902

    Article on how the spike protein in vaccines can cause cell damage: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7827936/

    Evidence of cov2 immune escape: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/06/30/science.abi7994

    Covid leads to long term inflammation, useful for long haul Covid19 treatment: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33391730/

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    Rod

    From the Oz government website:

    “Arm yourself against COVID-19
    A COVID-19 vaccine is your best defence and our only way forward.”

    “ONLY way forward” – now this is blatant coercion and a clear breach of international human rights.
    If you don’t get vaxxed then you’ll (theoretically..grin) be prohibited from virtually every public facility.

    We really have to remove these Schwab-worshipping clowns from office before we’re out of time and I suspect that’ll be by the end of the year.

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    TIP

    Sorry if this is old – I only heard it last week, and got some “google numbers” myself

    Hunger kills 9 Million per year (66% are under the age of 5)

    Covid has killed 4 Million (nearly 50% are over 75 years old etc etc)

    The cost to end world hunger per year ranges hugely – the high side is $250 Billion/yr (low is 75 billion!!)

    The cost of covid responses $16 Trillion

    $16 Trillion divided by $250 Billion is 64

    Thats ending world hunger for 64 years at 9 million people per year is 576 Million people (380 Million under 5 yrs old) saved from death

    Thats 144 times the current covid toll

    Dont even start “human life years” under 5 yrs old vs over 75 yrs old…

    Not to be taken literally, I believe these type of google numbers less than anybody, but the narrators of covid and climate change usually do believe in these “statistics”

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    Springdam

    Went to the supermarket this am. Maybe 15 people lined up waiting to covid app log in all wearing face masks. Went straight through, guy says, hey where’s your mask, did you sign in I replied I’m exempt and no and kept walking. Went passed a young lady pushing a pram and said it’s nice to see your face and got a smile. Fear not says the Lord. But it takes courage. I’ll keep doing it and not be a keyboard warrior. Have others seen the 2016 WA health act stating sars cov 2 ( covid 19 ) vaxx is listed as a poison. Unable to link but can be seen on Brandnewtube.com

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      PeterS

      We need more keyboard warriors not less. It’s the only way to spread the truth across the internet and fight the MSM fake news.

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        el gordo

        ‘It’s the only way to spread the truth across the internet …’

        What is this troof?

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      MP

      I’m with ya mate, see you in the Gulag.

      PeterS we need to do united non compliance.

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    greggg

    Recent study from Spain on Vitamin D and covid.

    ‘In this large, population-based study, we observed that patients supplemented with cholecalciferol or calcifediol achieving serum 25OHD levels ≥ 30 ng/ml were associated with better COVID-19 outcomes.’

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40618-021-01639-9

    The benefit was marginal because 30 ng/ml is not high enough and the study grouped everyone above 30 ng/ml together. No indication of what the average was. Studies on vitamin D need to include people with 250HD around 60 ng/ml, and break down the results according to 250HD level.

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      Hanrahan

      30 ng/ml is 75 nmol/L a measure I am more familiar with but HALF of that I reached totally naturally, by gardening without a shirt. I trust my body too much to believe that it would produce toxic levels with modest, controlled sun exposure.

      Why are researchers sooo timid about D3? Do they design trials to fail or at lest be indeterminate? Don’t answer that, of course they do. The WuFlu is serious, do serious research.

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    David Maddison

    Interesting video about Once Great Britain’s last aerial ropeway. 100 years old and operates by gravity alone. 5.5 mins.

    https://youtu.be/6RiYXI1Tfu4

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    David Maddison

    Does the Apollo 11 lunar module still orbit the moon?

    https://youtu.be/dBHbLV7xEhc

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    Furiously Curious

    There was talk earlier in the tread about needing numbers to see if there was a vaccine problem. This was found in the American CDC website by Steve Kirsh. It is beyond me as to what it actually means, but if you look at the spread sheet, and go to column Symtoms… (which is Symptoms, signs and abnormal clinical and laboratory findings, not elsewhere classified (R00-R99))and scroll down to week 50, there appears to be a ramping up of what the hell it is they are classifying. Up until that time the numbers were 6-700 weekly; usually. Over the next 26 weeks the numbers of ????? have gone x5. The coincidental thing is the vaccine roll out began on Dec 14, week 50.

    https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Provisional-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-S/muzy-jte6/data

    This is their explanation of what they are classifying, and it leaves me none the wiser:-

    This chapter includes symptoms, signs, abnormal results of clinical or other investigative procedures, and ill-defined conditions regarding which no diagnosis classifiable elsewhere is recorded.
    Signs and symptoms that point rather definitely to a given diagnosis have been assigned to a category in other chapters of the classification. In general, categories in this chapter include the less well-defined conditions and symptoms that, without the necessary study of the case to establish a final diagnosis, point perhaps equally to two or more diseases or to two or more systems of the body. Practically all categories in the chapter could be designated ‘not otherwise specified’, ‘unknown etiology’ or ‘transient’. The Alphabetical Index should be consulted to determine which symptoms and signs are to be allocated here and which to other chapters. The residual subcategories, numbered .8, are generally provided for other relevant symptoms that cannot be allocated elsewhere in the classification.

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      PeterS

      Sounds like double speak, which is to be expected from government based data providers, much like the reason they give for “adjusting” temperature data.

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    Peter C

    If NSW reaches vaccination targets, ‘come Christmas’ lockdowns will be a ‘terrible memory’
    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/if-nsw-reaches-vaccination-targets-come-christmas-lockdowns-will-be-a-terrible-memory/ar-AAMlswB?ocid=msedgntp

    Best of Luck with that!

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    Hanrahan

    A question of our American friends, did Bush Jr REALLY say, when dumping on the French, [which was a vote winner at the time]: The French don’t even have a word for “entrepreneur”?

    If he didn’t he should have. 🙂

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    MrGrimNasty

    German floods again. In the link below, note the link (needs translate) to the history of Ahr Valley floods.

    https://notrickszone.com/2021/07/20/welt-commentary-germany-flood-catastrophe-made-possible-by-inconceivable-ignorance-unbelievable-scandal/

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      el gordo

      All of a sudden, through a calamitous flood, the people became aware that the Klimatariat was feeding them lies. If they could tell fibs on this, maybe everything else they say is bollox.

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    David Wojick

    My latest:
    https://www.cfact.org/2021/07/19/epas-illegal-hfc-phaseout-rules-are-innovation-killers/

    The beginning:

    “It is immensely ironic that EPA’s ham-handed implementation of the American Innovation and Manufacturing Act stifles innovation in manufacturing. They do it with a single rule that has no legal basis, tucked away in a 276 page regulatory proposal.

    To make the point I am going to look at a single case, although I am sure there are many others, since HFCs are crucial to many different industries, from semiconductors to medical inhalers. In this case the industry is one I had never heard of ­– structural foam ­ — where HFCs are what are called the “blowing agent”. That is, it is the gas that makes the foam.”

    The rest is in the article, some interesting stuff.

    Please share this article. EPA is out of control, in the crazy name of stopping climate change

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    another ian

    “The Panic Pandemic
    Fearmongering from journalists, scientists, and politicians did more harm than the virus.”

    “The United States suffered through two lethal waves of contagion in the past year and a half. The first was a viral pandemic that killed about one in 500 Americans—typically, a person over 75 suffering from other serious conditions. The second, and far more catastrophic, was a moral panic that swept the nation’s guiding institutions.

    Instead of keeping calm and carrying on, the American elite flouted the norms of governance, journalism, academic freedom—and, worst of all, science. They misled the public about the origins of the virus and the true risk that it posed. Ignoring their own carefully prepared plans for a pandemic, they claimed unprecedented powers to impose untested strategies, with terrible collateral damage. As evidence of their mistakes mounted, they stifled debate by vilifying dissenters, censoring criticism, and suppressing scientific research.”

    More at

    https://www.city-journal.org/panic-pandemic?wallit_nosession=1

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      Serp

      Thanks another ian. Very solid journalism in this piece from city-journal. I have extolled the good sense behind fuami.org before and note it could not exist without Ron DeSantis’s governorship –does a country require fifty different state administrations to get one that’ll do the right thing?

      A comment at quadrant online on https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2021/07/sentenced-to-lockdowns-without-end/ encapsulates the disgust our several governments state and federal engender in fair minded people:

      Australians must take action to preserve democratic processes. We need to protect our rights to freedom of speech and assembly. We need new state and federal legislation to better define what constitutes an emergency. We must prevent the prolonged use of emergency powers, and specify more strictly how they can be used. Citizens should have effective remedies against the abuse of emergency powers.
      The ludicrous spectacle of Premiers and senior bureaucrats lording it over the people – parading daily at press conferences to announce the latest irrational, destructive, tyrannical regulations – is deeply offensive. It should not be allowed to occur again.

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        Kalm Keith

        “the COVID danger is acute for those with compromised immune systems.”

        But hang on,
        the government isn’t worried about those things.

        Just focus on the real issue, Covid19 .

        Without that our leaders wouldn’t have the opportunity of leading us into existential Hell,; for our own good, of course, since we’re all in this together.

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      Kalm Keith

      The crash of our society from Lockdown Loonacy has happened, it’s done.

      All we are waiting for now are the screams of those whose lives have been torn apart by CV19 Induced heavy handedness.

      Families separated at the final moment, businesses closed and crushed and ruined financially never to “bounce back”.

      The ugly evidence of Data Weaving that enables bureaucrats and politicians to lead us to wherever they want.

      This moment in human history is worse than ugly.

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    R.B.

    Just heard on the news that Bezos rocketed into space for 5 minutes before reaching zero gravity.

    Why do we have such scientificly illiterate journalist – who also browbeat us on climate change? They get paid well enough to be better than mere announcers.

    It’s a little more complicated than multiplying Earth’s gravity by the quotient of the distance from the centre of Earth squared (since Earth’s mass is spread out rather than just pulling straight down), but a pretty good back of envelope. 6000^2/6106^2 = 0.966 so gravity (pull from Earth) at the top of his flight was about a third of a percent less than on the ground.

    He felt weightless as the space ship fell. Even in orbit, gravity is still significant. Astronauts are just in free fall.

    One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn’t fall.

    — Paul Valéry

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      Ronin

      Zero gravity, nah, a more accurate term would be weightlessness.

      Why don’t these idiot journos consult someone with some specialist knowledge before they commit to print and look like clowns.

      My favourite one was a quote by a journo (reporter) on the disappearance of MAS 370, ‘the plane would struggle to maintain altitude when both engines flame out due to fuel exhaustion.’

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    Ronin

    We are reluctant witness to the Billionaires ego arms race… Branson, I went first… Bezos, I went higher, and on the Anniversary of the Moon Landing , so what’s left, stay up there for longer, most orbits, most to crowd into one rocket, a bit like the student efforts in the ’60’s to see how many could fit in a phone box or a Mini.
    No need to climb Mt Everest anymore, go higher, faster and in more comfort in a space rocket.

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    another ian

    “Dreaded Delta Surge Explained (Is it the Vexxine?); Cars Killing More Than COVID; Literal Ministries Of Truth; UK Pingdemic; More! — Coronavirus Update LXXX”

    https://wmbriggs.com/post/36632/

    And the links to “mask articles” at the end

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    another ian

    From an email

    “Out of the goodness of their hearts (bold emphasis mine):

    Mologic, a UK business specialising in the development of lateral flow and rapid diagnostic technologies including tests that can help combat tropical diseases, and for Covid-19, is set to become a social enterprise after its acquisition by prominent social impact funders and investors.

    A group of philanthropic funds and investors led by the Soros Economic Development Fund (SEDF), with support from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, has announced the launch of Global Access Health (GAH), a social enterprise that will seek to expand access to affordable medical technology through decentralized research, development, and manufacturing in and for the global south.

    https://www.insidermedia.com/news/north-eastyorkshire/mologic-acquired-by-social-impact-funders-and-investors

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    Hanrahan

    Well Queensland has “won” the Olympic games. Will someone else start the three cheers? I don’t have it in me.

    Politically it’s a winner, everyone loves the idea until the SNAFUs start and the money needs to be spent.

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      MP

      Going to be COVID safe to boot, nice selling point. That’s 2032!

      See Dr Tedros turned up, starting to think its a show for the special people, like the good old days around the Coliseum.

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    another ian

    “‘One of the most damaging invasive species on Earth’: wild pigs release the same emissions as 1 million cars each year”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/07/20/one-of-the-most-damaging-invasive-species-on-earth-wild-pigs-release-the-same-emissions-as-1-million-cars-each-year/

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      Hanrahan

      Of course our green friends defend them, at least defend them from the hunters.

      The most cost effective way to cull them is the weekend yobbo [red-neck in the US] with his dogs with big collars on a tray back Toyota and an esky of beer. They do it for the sport. The dogs even enjoy it – until they don’t. Big razorbacks are dangerous animals. Come to think of it the outback can be dangerous, a big roo is dangerous too, as well as the salties, snakes………..

      There is a market for young animals harvested by pros and it is prolly only the pros many graziers will allow on their properties.

      Come on greens, get your head outta ya bums long enough to see the light. And governments must bury Howard and allow hunting rifles.

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    Yonason

    Latest biologically detailed and accurate podcast on COVID

    https://m.twitch.tv/videos/1092924745

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    CHRIS

    Palace Chook won’t be Premier in 2032, but will be on the gravy train that is the Olympic/Paralympic Games. The 2000 Olympics didn’t do much for Australia, and the 2032 Games is ditto. I would be happy to see the Olympics discontinued, and the pigs at at the IOC get their snouts chopped off.

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    el gordo

    China floods: Zhengzhou tries to get back on its feet after heavy rains displace over 1.2 million people

    ‘At least 25 people in Henan were killed by the heaviest rain in decades, including passengers trapped in a rail tunnel amid rising waters. Authorities mobilise relief efforts while leading business and civil society promise to raise funds to help those afflicted.’ (SCMP)

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