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Patrick Byrne — How team Trump lost the White House

US Flag, Flying.Patrick Byrne, the former Overstock founder, billionaire, and man who took on the worst of Wall Street around 2005 (and won) has written up — for history’s sake what he saw during the wild weeks of the Election that just unfolded. Byrne is also an award winning business, investigative journalist, in 2008 Deepcapture.com was voted the best journalism regarding corruption in the US.

History scholars will be reading it for years to come, assuming there still are history scholars.

How DJT Lost the White House

by Patrick Byrne

The Trump war room was not exactly what Byrne expected.

I should explain what I expected to find. I expected to find a command post staffed by lawyers and quants. The quants would be doing the statistical work, driving answers that would feed lawyers being notified of the research into such irregularities as I have walked through previously, and would be availing themselves of whatever remedies the law surely provided.  I figured there would be a war-board, with the states in question having boxed out all relevant data, progress, and to-do’s. There would be an information loop, obviously, such that the campaign headquarters in each state would be on a daily conference call to receive updates on progress. Thinking that may be a fair bit for one 76-year-old gentleman to manage, I imagined Rudy might have some strong COO, perhaps a lawyer, or perhaps an executive, who might be keeping assignments on track.

What I found is this:

The place was 20% empty, and another 30% were packing out their desks.

One conference room held a large number of lawyers around a table. At least 3 of them were good. These lawyers were the mules of the operation. They were each assigned one or more states. Yet there were things going on at the state level or below, bubbling up organically, and local lawyers jumping in filing actions. I came to learn that between Rudy’s legal team and the campaign staff there was 0 communication, even though they jointly occupied 2/3 of an office story. And between the campaign staff and the activities of those local groups and their lawyers, there was also 0 communication. I did not know if that was for a legal reason or just the way they operated.  In time, I came to realize it was the latter.

Byrne details his interactions with Sidney Powell, and Rudy Guiliani and another person he refers to as “the Mediocrity”. In the wash Michael Flynn and Sidney Powell come off as sharp and productive, but sadly — not so Guiliani. Byrne had his own team crunching numbers, statistics and drilling through data. But he was unable to convey the import or significance of that to Guiliani no matter how hard he tried. The descriptions of him fighting the last war, and with several scotches too many, are hard to read. It would have been a pressure cooker atmosphere. And if Guiliani, or Trump himself, had had the right powerhouse deputy, perhaps the good plan might have rolled. Instead the clock ran out, the plan was unplayed. It may just be that the priority list was stacked badly, the cards were played in the wrong order, and the best and biggest play was missed while people waited for the Intelligence Report that didn’t quite come, or the resolution of any case, or the almost-maybe-nearly best option of the State Legislatures overturning their own certifications — and we know those state legislatures were calling for sessions at the last minute to reconsider as the Capital Hill vote unfolded on January 6. Too little too late, though Mike Pence could have given that a chance.

Byrne’s thoughts on Rudy Guiliani:

I feared overwhelming him, so I tried to simplify. As I spoke he occasionally grunted stoically, and it was difficult to judge what was sinking in. After about 10 minutes Rudy started checking his multiple phones for texts, right in front of me as we sat together. Conversing with one of his assistants, sending someone on a side errand, or receiving a report back. It felt rather strange to be talking to a man who was paying so little attention…

Giuliani was still fighting the last war…

There was chaos in the office as well, a S***-show as Byrne describes it. But one telling paragraph suggests that Bryne found out later, that before he even arrived, Guiliani had already decided that they wouldn’t be trying election fraud in any of their cases:

Rudy had declared, “You can never prove election fraud in a courtroom!” and had insisted that it was not going to be part of their legal strategy. The strategy was going to be to challenge things on procedural grounds: “This county in this state had one set of rules, this other county in that same state used a different set of rules, that violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14 Amendment.”

And probably, in past elections where games with electronic machine had not played a large role, there may not have been grounds to win a case in the past. But this time might have been different.

That Friday afternoon, November 6, the first time I arrived there just days after the election, I had, in fact, stumbled in on Sidney just as she was recovering from that exchange. And Sidney had sent me to talk to Rudy because she needed someone else to explain what she was herself just realizing: a new form of election fraud had emerged that was not about hundreds of dead people voting in some city but was about the possibility of several hundreds of thousands of votes being injected into each of several certain locations.  Rudy had just not been processing any of it from her, and probably did no better from me, and that was why he kept trying to talk with me about how Joe Frazier (1944- 2011) was still voting in Philadelphia.

Though, it has to be said that the US judicial system might not have dealt well with that kind of case anyhow.

Sidney Powell understood:

I found Sidney was well-informed, open-minded, and it became clear she was on top of things. In short, she was an equal with whom I could have an intelligent conversation. … she understood what we were saying, and we quickly tied things into what she already knew.  It was a highly-productive first conversation, and she ended it by telling me that I needed to go to the other side of the office, find Rudy Giuliani, and immediately tell him everything I had just shared with her.

Byrne has a team of cyber-heads who “enjoy geeking-out to each other in technical acronyms”. He calls them dolphin speakers.  He also came across one member of the team who was so counter-productive, Byrne refers to him only as The Medocrity.  To get an idea of how dysfunctional things were at times, there’s the story of the one-page explanation. After trying to convey his team’s math and stat analysis the junior staffers in Rudy’s office insisted he provide a one page explanation. “With bullet-points”, “and graphs and data”, but “no more than one page!”

Byrne spent hours distilling the dolphin-speak of the quants to produce a one-pager to try to get through to Guiliani. But when it came time to deliver it, it was 11pm at night, Guiliani was on the third scotch, the the Mediocrity was at the table (but Byrne was not allowed to be). The Mediocrity joked about the one-pager: “can you believe … this is all he wrote”. That was the night before one of the Big Press Events — the one which became the running hair-dye day in the news.  Guiliani talked at length about all the usual well known forms of fraud, but Sidney Powell was meant to discuss the new epidemic of electronic and systematic  problems.

As Byrne says of Guiliani, “Nine hours earlier, he had had nine shots of whiskey in under 90 minutes.”

US Congress: Photo by Louis Velazquez on Unsplash

US Congress: Photo by Louis Velazquez on Unsplash

Chaos and obstacles from within and without

Byrne writes of chaos where opposing lawyers intimidated Trumps legal team, and Trumps lawyers pulled out. Their behaviour was so unprofessional, the opposing lawyer pulled out too. At the last minute the Trump team found a stand-in lawyer, and cases were filed, but they didn’t mention election fraud.

Rudy’s team sent an emergency request for Byrne to fly his cyber guys to Georgia so they could analyze some machines. Apparently all the legal details, the locations was all sorted. But when Byrne sent his team who were given the run around, driven from place to place, never quite getting the right machines, the right paperwork, or to see the right people. No doubt the deep state was being as unhelpful as possible. Rudy’s team perhaps would have to have had superhuman organisation.

As Byrnes team were driven away they saw 17 police cars drive past to enter the building they had just left. Seventeen.

But witnesses, volunteers and help was flooding in

In the weeks after the election Patrick Byrne was deluged with offers of help and information. Somehow people gathered in to clusters and groups and found a way to reach him from across the country. These were the whistleblowers and witnesses. None wanted to be paid. Byrne covered expenses and flew many across the nation. He was fashioning what he expected to find in Rudy’s office. There were so many they set up operations in hotels scattered across Washington. People with a military background created a system to gather stories and summaries which were fed up a chain of analysts.

On Michael Flynn and spies:

Conversing with Mike was like meeting and speaking with another entrepreneur: we finished each other’s sentences and saw what needed to be done almost without conversing.

Michael Flynn was head of the intelligence agencies in the US. He immediately ordered the whole team out of Washington DC and into the countryside.  Though Byrne found a a variety of odd people with no discernible role, who “gave him the creeps”. One man promised to pass on three messages for Byrne, but could remember none of them 2 seconds after declaring he “got em all”. Another women made up excuses for hanging around, got caught, and eventually admitted she was working for someone else.  After they left a wired device was found in one of the key room.

The Mediocrity

The Mediocrity had evolved into our point of contact with Rudy’s team, and nothing seemed to flow well. On November 26, Thanksgiving Day, we were all sitting together in a restaurant in DC, and discussing their problems. Sitting there eating our turkey dinner, they gave me quite an earful. How the Mediocrity was super-controlling about information, plans, access. How the Mediocrity seemed to think they were peons, were telling them, “Go here, go there,” with no explanatory information, no sense of “Hey teammates, this is what is going on, and we are going to work on it together!”

The Mediocrity had told them all to go to Antrim County in Michigan in two days. Patrick had many questions about the why’s and wherefores, but the Mediocrity turned up and stood over them at late Thanksgiving Dinner and replied abstrusely:

“First, what is your corporate structure?”

We all looked at each other, male and female, 75, Weaponized Autism and others, not previously having given the matter much thought. We were just a bunch of people who had found each other and were trying to expose what looked like a world-historic election fraud together. Finally I said, “Our corporate structure is that we’re the Bad News Bears. I’m team coach.”

“Ok Patrick,” Mediocrity continued. “Here’s what’s going on. I’ve told you where you need to be in Michigan on Saturday. Be there. Or tell us you cannot, and we’ll find someone who can.”

Whereupon there was some determined talking over the top of each other til the Mediocrity blinked, and Byrne hit back:

I politely said, “Where in the f— do you get off? We don’t work for you. We are volunteers here offering to help you do things you have no clue how to do.  Go find someone else anytime you want. The way you people work in this city is astonishing. If you ever try to work at a modern company like Google, or Facebook, your ass will be fired in a New York minute. You suck.”

I saw Mediocrity was crestfallen, and realizing I had overdone it, I gently escorted Mediocrity away from the table. I tried to soothe things over a bit, and put a nice façade on things, and not leave Mediocrity embarrassed. As we parted, Mediocrity turned to me and said, “Don’t worry. I’ll be with the President. I’ll make sure you get full credit for all of this.”

Exasperated, I returned to my seat and friends.

It will turn out the The Mediocrity and Rudy Guiliani were key gatekeepers controlling the information flow to the White House. Byrne got Guiliani’s number that night (Thanksgiving), but though he called, he never got through. So the future of the West was at a critical juncture and it hung heavily on three people in their mid seventies. Ultimately the boss chooses the staff. Trump’s greatest flaw might be his loyalty.  No doubt Guiliani would have his own version of events, and always came across as a knowledgeable wise man in his videos.  It could be argued that if Pence had not folded on Jan 6, and one state decertified their Democrat electors, that others may have flipped like dominoes. On January 5th  both Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were asking for time to hold another vote. 88 legislators from 5 states were asking for a delay. But it was all so late, so last minute.  This was a new war, a different battle, with spies, threats, strong personalities, extreme stakes and above all — with deadlines approaching at mach speed. And all the while the Deep Swamp was working to make nothing easy for the Trump team.  It would bring out the worst of many people.

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153 comments to Patrick Byrne — How team Trump lost the White House

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    dinn, rob

    Democracy Defense Coalition—their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears. They executed national public-awareness campaigns that helped Americans understand how the vote count would unfold over days or weeks, preventing Trump’s conspiracy theories and false claims of victory from getting more traction. After Election Day, they monitored every pressure point to ensure that Trump could not overturn the result.
    That’s why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information.  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/02/05/time-magazine-secret-well-funded-cabal-worked-to-protect-2020-election/

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      If President Trump had won…
      They had over 400 groups to riot and burn down the US with the Democrats and Mainstream media’s backing.
      President Trump was in a no win situation.

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      Here is a summary of the Time magazine article.
      http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/02/05/margin-of-fraud-51/

      The left just can’t stop themselves of the corruption they have.

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        John R Smith

        Maybe the positive take on the Time article is they realized that they aren’t going be successful in hiding what they did so they’re getting out in front of the spin cycle.
        I feel ‘fortified’.
        Is there somewhere I can wager on the political language market?

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          Greg Cavanagh

          From watching the climate shenanigans, the covid nonsense, the rioting blind-eye, and finally this past election; I believe these people don’t think that way at all. They were doing what was right as far as they see it. Lying, cheating, platforming and blacklisting your opponent is simply what it takes to “get the right result”.

          In their mind they are Hollier than Thou, and you are wrong. It’s very simple when you distill it down to its fundamentals.

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        OldOzzie

        Of course;

        The summer uprising had shown that people power could have a massive impact. Activists began preparing to reprise the demonstrations if Trump tried to steal the election. “Americans plan widespread protests if Trump interferes with election,” Reuters reported in October, one of many such stories. More than 150 liberal groups, from the Women’s March to the Sierra Club to Color of Change, from Democrats.com to the Democratic Socialists of America, joined the “Protect the Results” coalition. The group’s now defunct website had a map listing 400 planned postelection demonstrations, to be activated via text message as soon as Nov. 4. To stop the coup they feared, the left was ready to flood the streets.

        Confirmation that the die was cast when the networks called the election for Biden– overturn election fraud or legislative hi-jinks, and Democrats were ready to burn down the country.

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        OldOzzie

        Link to Time – The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election

        A second odd thing happened amid Trump’s attempts to reverse the result: corporate America turned on him. Hundreds of major business leaders, many of whom had backed Trump’s candidacy and supported his policies, called on him to concede. To the President, something felt amiss. “It was all very, very strange,” Trump said on Dec. 2. “Within days after the election, we witnessed an orchestrated effort to anoint the winner, even while many key states were still being counted.”

        In a way, Trump was right.

        There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs. Both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans. The pact was formalized in a terse, little-noticed joint statement of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO published on Election Day.

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        Ian

        American voters did not have to flock to the mail-in vote, they chose to do so primarily as they did not want to die from Covid-19 caught while standing in a queue outside of voters a polling station. And who can blame them?

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          Nadia bin Du Natan

          We see here the scope of the conspiracy. The Covid terrorist attacks were dovetailed into the election steal. The election steal and the Covid biowarfare is part of the same conspiracy.

          The reality is you can neither have computers involved in elections, nor mail in votes, nor last minute registration. Doesn’t matter if its a zombie apocalypse. We were shown that mail in votes are completely untenable if you want a democracy.

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          Tarquin Wombat-Carruthers

          But those who had already died, not necessarily from COVID, managed to vote by mal anyay!

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      OldOzzie

      GOP GAINS ANOTHER CONGRESSIONAL SEAT: Judge ruling: Certify Claudia Tenney as winner in NY-22.

      Life News.com notes that Tenney “is pro-life and gives Republicans 213 House seats, just 5 short of taking the House back from Nancy Pelosi.”

      As Glenn wrote in November, “For a guy who supposedly lost, Trump sure had a lot of coattails. And for a guy who supposedly won, Biden sure didn’t.”

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        OldOzzie

        A judge declared Tenney the winner; however, Brindisi promised to appeal to the state court, or even contest the election at the House of Representatives.

        If the judge’s ruling stands, it would represent a significant victory for House Republicans, as the House Democrat majority would shrink to nine.

        Democrat Brindisi said in a statement on Friday, “I am shocked and surprised by this decision because of the countless errors and discrepancies that have occurred throughout this initial count. I believe a full audit and hand recount is the only way to resolve this race.”

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          OldOzzie

          Hans von Spakovksy: Democrat Marc Elias Using Trump’s Argument Against Voting Machines

          Hans von Spakovsky, the manager of the conservative Heritage Foundation’s Election Law Reform Initiative, mocked Democrat lawyer Marc Elias for claiming faulty voting machines affected a congressional election in New York.

          Spakovsky noted that Elias was trying to overturn an apparent Republican victory: “Guess what? He’s out there contesting it, and he’s saying, ‘Why, there’s something wrong with the voting machines there.’ Does that sound familiar?”

          As Breitbart News reported earlier this week, Elias is claiming that faulty voting machines, procedural irregularities, and violations of state law are responsible for legitimate votes being denied to Democratic candidate Anthony Brindisi in New York’s 22nd congressional district, who currently appears to be losing by 125 votes to Republican Claudia Tenney.

          In a legal filing on behalf of Brindisi, Elias wrote (original emphasis):

          In this case, there is reason to believe that voting tabulation machines misread hundreds if not thousands of valid votes as undervotes, (supra at 4), and that these tabulation machine errors disproportionately affected Brindisi, (id.). In addition, Oswego County admitted in a sworn statement to this Court that its tabulation machines were not tested and calibrated in the days leading up to the November 3, 2020 General Election as required by state law and necessary to ensure that the counts generated by tabulation machines are accurate.

          Elias, a partner at the Perkins Coie law firm, is also representing Democrat Rita Hart in an appeal directly to the Democrat-run House of Representatives in an effort to overturn the result of the election in Iowa’s second congressional district, which Hart lost to Rep. Mariannette Miller-Meeks (R-IA) by six votes.

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      OldOzzie

      The Central Intelligence Agency openly protected Chinese efforts to undermine American institutions. CIA management bullied intelligence analysts to alter their assessment of Chinese influence and interference in our political process so it wouldn’t be used to support policies they disagreed with—Trump’s policies. It’s no wonder that protecting America is not CIA management’s most urgent equity—the technology that stores the agency’s information is run by Amazon Web Services, owned by China’s No. 1 American distributor, Jeff Bezos.

      Loathing Trump provided their political excuse, but the American security and defense establishment had their own interest in turning a blind eye to China. Twenty years of squandering men, money, and prestige on military engagements that began in George W. Bush’s “War on Terror” have proved to be of little strategic value to the United States. However, deploying Americans to provide security in Middle East killing fields has vastly benefited Beijing. Last month Chinese energy giant Zen Hua took advantage of a weak Iraqi economy when it paid $2 billion for a five-year oil supply of 130,000 barrels a day. Should prices go up, the deal permits China to resell the oil.

      In Afghanistan, the large copper, metal, and minerals mines whose security American troops still ostensibly ensure are owned by Chinese companies. And because Afghanistan borders Xinjiang, Xi Jinping is worried that “after the United States pulls troops out of Afghanistan, terrorist organizations positioned on the frontiers of Afghanistan and Pakistan may quickly infiltrate into Central Asia.” In other words, American troops are deployed abroad in places like Afghanistan less to protect American interests than to provide security for China’s Belt and Road Initiative.

      China had cultivated many friends in the American press, which is why the media relays Chinese government statistics with a straight face—for instance that China, four times the size of the United States, has suffered 1/100th the number of COVID-19 fatalities. But the key fact is this: In legitimizing CCP narratives, the media covers not primarily for China but for the American class that draws its power, wealth, and prestige from China. No, Beijing isn’t the bad guy here—it’s a responsible international stakeholder. In fact, we should follow China’s lead. And by March, with Trump’s initial acquiescence, American officials imposed the same repressive measures on Americans used by dictatorial powers throughout history to silence their own people.

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      OldOzzie

      It’s a Big Club, and You Ain’t in it

      One of comedian George Carlin’s more notable quotes, pointing out a reality of American life is, “It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.” His words are a simple commentary on the ruling class, the elites, the cabal, the establishment, or the deep state, whatever you prefer to call the Big Club.

      Donald Trump is the first president since Ronald Reagan to point this out. Neither men were members of the Big Club.

      The Big Club is bipartisan, although left leaning. Not every Democrat is a member of this club. Bernie Sanders and his supporters are certainly not. Bernie was robbed of the Democrat presidential nomination twice, likely due to the same electoral “irregularities” that gave the 2020 election to a senile grifter who hardly campaigned. Despite Bernie’s anti-capitalistic schtick, he appears to have happily sold out for money and a lake house, and is now relegated to meme status, sitting alone in a chair, bundled up with mask and mittens.

      Many Republicans are in the Big Club, particularly those with ties to the Bush Family. Other prominent members are Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, and Mitch McConnell. The NeverTrump coalition is also part of the Big Club. How ironic that when someone comes along and implements everything NeverTrumpers have been preaching, writing, or campaigning for their entire careers, they loathe him simply because he isn’t part of their Big Club. These are their ideas after all, but only ideas. Trump brought the ideas to life.

      The Big Club affords members perks and privileges unavailable to non-club members. Particularly the “get out of jail free” card.

      If you are in the club, you can spy on a presidential campaign and subsequent president, fabricating evidence, lying to FISA courts and the American people, suffering light, if any, consequences. You will be rewarded with teaching appointments at prestigious universities and your spouse may receive a nice promotion to an SEC directorship as compensation for her husband’s affair, as in the case of the Strzok Family.

      As a Club member, if indicted for presenting fabricated evidence to the FISA court, you will receive a year of probation and some community service, as in Kevin Clinesmith. If you are not a club member and misremember an inconsequential date, you will be hounded to the ends of the earth by the DOJ and partisan judges, as was General Flynn. Or you might be held in solitary confinement for months like Paul Manafort.

      If you are in the Big Club you can extort money and political favors from foreign governments for yourself, as the “big guy”, and your family with no consequence, like the Bidens. If not in the club, jokingly asking Russia to look for Hillary Clinton’s thousands of conveniently missing emails is grounds for impeachment.

      Trump was our last hope at exposing and destroying the Big Club, but unless he has a few trump cards up his sleeve, the game is over, with the Big Club the winner. And we still ain’t in the Big Club.

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      OldOzzie

      MA Climate Czar Says the Quiet Part out Loud in Private Meeting: We Must ‘Break Your Will

      In yet another stunning “quiet part out loud” moment, a New England government official revealed the left’s endgame in fighting the climate in an online meeting he assumed would remain private. Massachusetts Undersecretary for Climate Change David Ismay participated in a meeting with the Vermont Climate Council back in January, where he admitted that when it comes to the big climate “offenders” in their region, there are no bad guys left to break. Ismay went on to say that now the only ones left to “break” are the people.

      If you are shocked that a public official would not only admit out loud that they happily broke the back of a job-producing industry in their state, but that they now need to break the back of the average American, you’re not alone. Ismay himself seemed surprised at the words coming out of his mouth, and in a stunning admission told attendees that he knew that was not something he could say out loud in public.

      I can’t even say that publicly.

      These people despise the existence of anyone outside their elitist bubbles. That’s all you need to know.

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      OldOzzie

      Democrats Go Ape Over DC Violence While Ignoring Riots, Murder, And Mayhem Everywhere Else

      Democrat Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is one of many politicians who have adopted a mindset that says we should only care about victims of violence if we believe they are useful for our political narrative.

      The rest of the country is not so lucky. Our governing elites, Ocasio-Cortez among them, have spent the past month testifying about their own emotional pain from the violence on Capitol Hill that day. Yet they have barely noticed the violence that has been happening in their own districts.

      New York City, a portion of which is represented by Ocasio-Cortez, recorded 462 murders last year, an increase of almost 45 percent from the 319 murders in 2019. Meanwhile, the city had 1,531 shootings, 97 percent more than the 777 that occurred in the previous year.

      Ocasio-Cortez’s only response to this surge of homicides is to argue about the need to reduce poverty.

      Meanwhile

      Chuck Schumer Used Violent Rhetoric To Sic A Mob On Two Supreme Court Justices

      One year ago, Schumer incited a mob on the steps of the Supreme Court in order to bully justices to rule in Democrats’ favor.

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        OldOzzie

        AOC: The Dirk Diggler of the 117th Congress

        She wants to make the whole Capitol invasion about herself

        Still, while any good person also wishes she would seek psychiatric treatment, she sure is hilarious.

        Her lipstick monologues on the Internet always bring to mind that great fictional American actor Dirk Diggler in “Boogie Nights,” lamenting the stresses of being at the apex of his career.

        “What can you expect when you’re on top, you know?” he says, resignedly into the camera.

        “It’s like Napoleon. When he was the king. You know, people were just constantly trying to conquer him, you know, in the Roman Empire. So, it’s history repeating itself all over again.”

        In fact, I am pretty sure we have heard AOC say precisely that — complete with all the unnecessary “so”s and “you know”s and factual incoherence.

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      OldOzzie

      Exclusive: The TCF Center Election Fraud – Newly Discovered Video Shows Late Night Deliveries of Tens of Thousands of Illegal Ballots 8 Hours After Deadline

      ** At 3:23 AM The Gateway Pundit has exclusive video of a white van registered to the city of Detroit entering the gate into the TCF Center.
      ** At 3:25 AM we discovered video from a second camera showing three individuals unloading over 50 boxes of ballots in a hallway inside the TCF Building and just outside the counting room.
      ** The ballots were then wheeled away on carts into the ballot counting room.
      ** The van is then seen on video leaving the center about 25 minutes later.
      ** Then we saw the van returning an hour later, entering the TCF Center again and unloading more boxes of ballots.
      ** The white van was escorted by a black sports car for both ballot deliveries.
      ** The white van was allowed through an electronic gate to enter the TCF complex.

      This is video proof of the fraud in Detroit, Michigan. It is exactly as the GOP observers described it to us back in November!

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      OldOzzie

      Video Documentary – The Pre-Planned Capitol Hill Protest and Riot Narrative Exposed

      Posted on February 5, 2021 by Sundance

      From the producer: “The simulated riots in DC was a powder-keg long in the making. The evidence for pre-planning and setting up a situation for disaster is overwhelming. In this episode, we’re going to show you how a little stage direction and fake blood became an instrumental role in furthering the division of the nation. Strap yourselves in- it’s going to be a bumpy ride… down the Babbitt hole.”

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      OldOzzie

      NEW: Democrat lawyer Marc Elias has filed a lawsuit citing voting machine “irregularities” in the New York District 22 U.S. House of Representatives race

      He claims that the Democrat candidate Ted Brindisi won, but voting machines caused irregularities in the counting of votes

      PLOT TWIST: Judge rejects Dem lawsuit alleging voting-machine irregularities, Republican Claudia Tenney wins in #NY22 by 109 votes

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        OldOzzie

        Only massive hypocrisy could let Pelosi steal a New York House seat

        A Republican woman finally will be certified the winner in the last outstanding House race in the country, and the only way House Speaker Nancy Pelosi can stop her is to validate the same, discredited theory former President Donald Trump used to contest the presidential race.

        How’s that for karma working against hypocrisy?

        The election was in New York’s 22nd Congressional District, where Republican former Rep. Claudia Tenney was trying to regain her seat from Democratic incumbent Anthony Brindisi.

        Still, Brindisi and his lawyer sound like they intend to put Pelosi on the spot. They say they intend to appeal to the next level of state courts in New York and also appeal to the House, which is the ultimate judge of its own membership, to throw out the result.

        To do so, however, Pelosi would be reopening two of the biggest cans of worms — particularly slimy, large, and poisonous worms — in recent politics. Both come courtesy of Brindisi’s attorney. The first problem is his identity, and the second is his theory for why Tenney’s victory should be thrown out. The lawyer is Mark Elias, a longtime Democratic election-law specialist. Elias, though, was the Hillary Clinton campaign official who dabbled in dark arts when he hired the research firm Fusion GPS to produce what became the bogus “Steele dossier” that thoroughly corrupted part of the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

        Perhaps Elias’s long record in election law would allow that transgression to be overlooked, but when combined with his theory of the case in New York’s 22nd District, it’s all too outlandish. Specifically, the theory is — get this — that the voting machines erred in tabulating the votes.

        What makes it worse is that the machines whose accuracy Elias is impugning were made by Dominion Voting Systems — the very same outfit that members of Trump’s legal team said was used to somehow steal the election for President Biden. And guess which lawyer led the Democrats’ fight in all contested states to combat Trump’s claim that the presidential race was stolen? Yep, none other than Elias.

        So, if Pelosi wants the House to “investigate” and perhaps overrule the New York Democratic judge’s certification of the Republican House victory, she will be using the lawyer who helped create a fraudulent brief against Trump and who now is blaming the same voting systems the lawyer just spent months arguing were perfectly fine in the presidential race.

        Under such circumstances, if Pelosi does anything that might unseat Tenney, the speaker would be acting not just hypocritically but corruptly.

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      OldOzzie

      Supreme Court to consider election lawsuits in February

      The Supreme Court on Friday listed several high-profile election lawsuits for consideration at its mid-February conference.

      The cases include challenges to the 2020 election from Trump-aligned lawyers Lin Wood and Sidney Powell, as well as Republican Rep. Mike Kelly’s Pennsylvania lawsuit. Nearly every lawsuit takes issue with the expanded use of mail-in ballots by many states.

      The decision came after the court declined to fast-track all election-related litigation in early January.

      In nearly every plea for expedition, lawyers backing former President Donald Trump told the court that if the cases were not heard before President Biden’s inauguration, their success would be unlikely.

      But after the court pushed them off, many lawyers said that the challenges were still important and could have long-term implications for election fairness. Trump lawyer John Eastman told the Washington Examiner that even with Trump out of office, it was important to settle the issues raised by expanded mail-in voting.

      “Our legal issue,” he said, referring to the way in which Pennsylvania conducted the 2020 election, “remains important and in need of the court’s review.”

      Similarly, Kelly’s lawyer Greg Teufel, told the Washington Examiner after the court refused to hear his case before the inauguration that the 10-year congressman and major Trump ally had no intention of dropping the suit.

      As election litigation continues to play out in the courts, many Republican state legislators have begun introducing bills to curb mail-in voting through law.

      If the Supreme Court accepts any of the election lawsuits, it is likely that they won’t be heard until October.

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    Curious George

    When you surround yourself by Yes-men and then lose, complaining about stolen elections sounds hollow.

    Without a virus I don’t doubt that Trump would have won easily. But the virus came, and the team was not good enough to develop a flexible strategy. I remember Zhou Bai-Den accusing Trump of killing people by not fighting the COVID19, and Trump’s team could not come with an effective response.

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    Harry Passfield

    Illegal ballot dumps is how Trump lost the WH. Everything else is sophistry and intellectual w ank ing.

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      John R Smith

      Adding ‘well said’ to my thumb up.

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      OldOzzie

      Election Fraud? Many Conspiracies Arise from a Rational Foundation

      Now this is exactly what those individuals who assert election fraud are attempting to do. They pose general questions such as “How likely is it that Joe Biden could have won so overwhelmingly when he couldn’t even rustle up more than a handful of people at his rallies?” or “What is the probability of so many voters voting exclusively for the president and no one else on the ballot?” Those familiar with the issue can offer manifold examples of their own.

      It is most important, however, to emphasize that those individuals who ask these questions are engaging rationally with the logic of the context. And the questions surrounding probability (and improbability) are the essential indicators that something might be amiss. Situations that involve a staggering number of improbabilities demand investigation. It is the height of irresponsibility to ignore them and no one can claim any degree of intellectual integrity if they do. Ignoring the illogical and the improbable is tantamount to abdicating reason itself.

      My fanciful introduction did Valla a disservice, because it wasn’t a tinfoil hat he put on his head. It was something much less shiny.

      It was a thinking cap.

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        Lawrie

        I have just watched Mike Lindell’s “Absolute Proof Documentary” on the Populist Press site. I am sorry I cannot give you a link but I cannot copy it. It runs 2 hours and is comprehensive. The electronic traffic between China and the US during the November 3/4 period is alarming. There are several thousand pages of hacking incidents and represent a huge number of votes taken from Trump. They arrive at a figure of 80 million votes for Trump and 68 million for Biden without machine interference. That does not take account of the fake votes for Biden. Trump did win big but it may be fortuitous that he “lost” because now the size of the fraud has been exposed. Eventually the truth will come out but it will not be via the MSM. Fox has now cancelled Lou Dobbs.

        There were many “winners” in the election none of whom were ordinary Americans. The latter will be left to pick up the tab.

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      OldOzzie

      Another Poll that Should Terrify Members of the Spineless GOP Establishment

      No wonder why a new poll shows that a whopping 64 percent of Republicans would jump ship for a Trump-led political party. Oh, and the former president would get a sizeable chunk of Democrats too (via The Hill):

      A majority of Republican voters said if former President Trump were to start a new political party they would likely join, a new Hill-HarrisX poll finds.

      Sixty-four percent of registered Republican voters in the Jan. 28-29 survey said they’d join a new political party led by the former president, including 32 percent who said they would very likely join.

      By contrast, 36 percent of Republican respondents said they are either very or somewhat unlikely to join.

      The survey found 28 percent of independents and 15 percent of Democrats said they’d likely join a third party led by Trump.

      Thirty-seven percent of voters overall said if Trump started a new political party they’d likely join.

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    another ian

    “Yes, it is a coup and Trump had to be removed to make it work”

    https://catallaxyfiles.com/2021/02/05/yes-it-is-a-coup/

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      OldOzzie

      The Thirty Tyrants

      The deal that the American elite chose to make with China has a precedent in the history of Athens and Sparta

      In Chapter 5 of The Prince, Niccolo Machiavelli describes three options for how a conquering power might best treat those it has defeated in war. The first is to ruin them; the second is to rule directly; the third is to create “therein a state of the few which might keep it friendly to you.”

      The example Machiavelli gives of the last is the friendly government Sparta established in Athens upon defeating it after 27 years of war in 404 BCE. For the upper caste of an Athenian elite already contemptuous of democracy, the city’s defeat in the Peloponnesian War confirmed that Sparta’s system was preferable. It was a high-spirited military aristocracy ruling over a permanent servant class, the helots, who were periodically slaughtered to condition them to accept their subhuman status. Athenian democracy by contrast gave too much power to the low-born. The pro-Sparta oligarchy used their patrons’ victory to undo the rights of citizens, and settle scores with their domestic rivals, exiling and executing them and confiscating their wealth.

      The Athenian government disloyal to Athens’ laws and contemptuous of its traditions was known as the Thirty Tyrants, and understanding its role and function helps explain what is happening in America today.

      Thanks another ian an excellent article.

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        Lawrie

        What that story and history should tell us is that the number of people who could be jailed or, at the very minimum, humiliated is relatively small but they are also ridiculously rich and therefore powerful. Peter Schweizer’s book “Profiles in Corruption” illustrates that no matter how socially aware or how anti corporist the leading Democrats are in their public utterances they still fall under the spell of the mighty dollar bestowing forgiveness on the corrupt just so long as they make big donations.

        Just how long can Republican state legislator claim ignorance of election fraud when all around them the voters are demanding action. The MSM might stifle information but they cannot keep it quiet forever. The average voter likes to know his vote counts as one not .66. Obviously all is above board when the Michigan AG, Dana Nessel, threatens state legislators with criminal proceeding if they question the election outcome and moves to disbar attorneys who represent election challengers.

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        Say, Old Ozzie, happens I have jest published a post, terday, referring to those thirty tyrants, the enemy within Athens seeking to overthrow the Athenian grand experiment in majority rule, (not minority rule.) noting some parallels to the present decline in Anglo-American democracies. https://beththeserf.wordpress.com/

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    another ian

    “Magnificent work. Some of the funniest stuff you’ll see in a long time.”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/02/magnificent-work-some-of-the-funniest-stuff-youll-see-in-a-long-time.html

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    Susan Fraser

    https://rumble.com/vdlbl7-absolute-proof-mike-lindell-election-documentary-full.html

    This is Mike Lindell (the My Pillow guy) with his expert cyber panel describing the many ways the 2020 Election was stolen.

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      RossP

      I think Mike has done really well with that doco Susan. Everyone should watch it, putting together the key information. Mike gets a little emotional at times but that is good –nothing wrong with real passion instead of a bland auto que reader.

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      Hatrack

      For anyone who decides not to watch Susan’s video because it goes for 2 hours, go to 1:36 and watch the Mary Fanning interview.

      Strewth!

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        GlenM

        What on earth does it take to get this out. extraordinary.

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          Susan Fraser

          It is out on
          Rumble
          Citizenfreepress.com
          Oann.com
          Gateway Pundit
          As well as Bitchute

          Maybe we could send it to our relevant news channels and ask what they think. Ive emailed it to Radio NZ

          Re Mike Lindell,love that a really annoyed private citizen can get this done. He is the genuine article for sure.

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      PeterPetrum

      This is just an incredible exposé. Very well done and very professional. Very believable contributors at every stage in the story. However the coup-de-grace is the last 15 minutes or so when a very competent woman talks to 1000’s of lines of data that show exactly when, to what extent and who changed the votes from Biden to Trump. Not surprisingly the interventions, over the web, were mainly from China, but other countries were involved. It would seem, from this presentation that millions of votes were changed from Trump to Biden and the estimation is that Trump got 8.5 million to Biden’s 6.5 million, if the foreign actors had not interfered in the voting machines. And that is a separate issue to all the dead and out of state voters. A must watch, and Jo should do a separate article on this one, it is huge.

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    Just Thinkin'

    There have been a few things that have happened that made me think
    that Rudi was a part of The Deep State.

    His mouth moves and things come out, but most of it is fluff.

    After reading this, nothing has changed with my thinking.

    Mind you, as I have read elsewhere, Mr. Trump was following the
    Legal Path. He probably has plenty of ammo but he needed to show
    the people of America, and the World, what is going to happen.

    The Democrats are now “showing the people”.

    And I don’t think the people are liking it.

    I reckon the best is yet to come.

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    u.k.(us)

    “When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.”
    ― sun tzu, The Art of War

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    another ian

    I’d heard of Buck’s Fizz a while ago but only met Buck Fiden yesterday

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    graham dunton

    This demonstrates the absolute chaos theory, it outlines, how many government activities are run?

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    Ian1946

    It saddens me that it appears Rudi Giuliani has lost it. I remember the man who destroyed the Mafia and cleaned up New York and made the city safe for it’s citizens. I imagine New York City under the Democrats is now a crime ridden filthy hell hole.

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      Nadia bin Du Natan

      Do you remember the man who allowed the 9/11 crime scene to be ruined? Seems that he was gotten to some time back. I’m not trying to drum up hatred against Rudi. One suspects the bad people can get to any of us. So much more ruthless than the Italian Mafia that Rudi punched holes through.

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    Contemptible Blackguard

    A great piece Jo.

    Joseph Heller would be proud of you and Pat Byrne. It plays out just like of Catch 22 with the lead being DJT as Capt Yossarian. It can be seen on ‘SBS on Demand’ for free and it is still a great show after almost 50 years.

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    John

    Jenna Ellis is mentioned in many comments on Byrne’s blog, some alleging that she was “Mediocrity” but others giving good logical reasons why she’s not (e.g. Mediocrity has 30 years experience working for governments but Jenna is only 37).

    What intrigues me is that she caught covid-19, quite possibly from Guilliani, and after that was rarely seen again. Did she catch a bad dose of it? If so, didn’t it tell Trump anything about covid-19 not being like a dose of the flu? Did she just get sidelined for a week or two and then either find herself on the outer edge of what was happening or recognise that the whole thing was being mishandled and wind back on her involvement?

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    David Maddison

    This story is more about how President Trump failed to get legal remedies rather than losing the election.

    He won the election by the voting intention of The People but lost it due to vote fraud.

    He lost the appeals for legal remedies by an utterly corrupt legal system whereby not even SCOTUS would even entertain hearing the case.

    Had the election and judicial officials done their jobs, nobody would be questioning the competency of Trump’s lawyers.

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      Dave in the States

      I was talking about to friend of mine shortly after the election and he remarked: “How could they have allowed this obvious fraud to happen?” My answer was:” The steal was so brazen and so sweeping in its scope that nobody expected it to be this flagrant.”

      It is like you drive up to your house that you have worked to build your whole life and it is on fire. Moreover, you see a man walking right out the front door of the burning building with a can of accelerant in one hand and lighter in the other. You ask him what he has done, and why he apparently set your home on fire. He looks at you puzzled and answers: “What fire? Are you crazy?”

      Then you see a policeman nearby and ask him to: “Detain that man, he has just set fire to my home!”
      He replies: “Do have any evidence that he has done this?” You point out the accelerant and the lighter. The Policeman says: “That’s not evidence that he has done anything wrong. Maybe he has trouble lighting his cigar.” You then point to now fully engulfed house on fire. The policeman gives the same answer as the arsonist: “What fire?”

      You frantically call the fire dept. The firemen arrive with the firetruck but they calmly ask ‘Where’s the fire? Is this a false alarm?” You sigh, “Well there was one but now there’s only a pile of ashes left….” He then scolds and arrests you for calling a false alarm.

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        David Maddison

        Very good comparison Dave in the States.

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        PeterS

        Vox Day made the interesting comment “I’ve said for two decades that Italy is less corrupt than the United States, because in the USA, the system isn’t corrupted, it’s the corruption that is the system.”

        I think he hit the nail on the head. In other words, no one appears to care about the fraudulent elections in the US enough to scream about and march in the streets, apart from a minority of people. Perhaps it needs one or two more elections where the fraud is so extensive even a blind person will see it and demand they stop it en mass.

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    PeterS

    Trump had to go because the swamp (actually ocean because it’s much deeper than what most people think) was and still is too big for just one man. It didn’t matter anyway even if Trump had won because he would only run for another 4 years, after which the swamp/ocean would resume their goal for the destruction of the West. Move on. The Great Reset(s) are now upon us.

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    Harley

    I have a radically new theory.
    Trump lost the election because Biden got more votes.

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      Dave in the States

      He certainly got more fake votes.

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      Nadia bin Du Natan

      You just showed your low IQ Harley. Trump didn’t lose the election he won by a landslide. He lost the White House because there was a coup. Stick this to your fridge: You cannot have a voter spike in a fair election. Remember the tables of random numbers you had in the same booklet as your log tables? I am talking about as a child. There was never a run of sevens of any significance in these randomly generated numbers. If you cut these number sequences into pieces and drew them out of a hat you still cannot get the digital version of a voter spike. And if it was randomly generated zeros and ones, equivalent to a fair coin toss, you can cut up the numbers and draw them a thousand times and you will never get the equivalent of a voter spike. So take a good look at yourself and promise yourself that you will not be as much of a stooge tomorrow as you were today.

      The same people who stole the election have been conducting all manner of frauds on the public and heretofore conservatives and libertarians have been ignoring these activities. The right would be ignoring these conspiracies still, but Trumps landslide was so massive that the conspirators panicked. And made their election theft so in-your-face that all but the dimmest amongst us, including yourself, have seen through it. This is the first deep state action that the conservatives and libertarians have been forced to acknowledge en masse. Had they had their wits about them a little bit earlier the coup would not have happened.

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        PeterPetrum

        Log table! Gee, you must be as old as me, Nadia. Must people would think you are talking about bush furniture!

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        Lance

        In an honest election, vote totals Never decrement.

        Vote totals ALWAYS increment. Never decrement.

        The real time data speak to that issue, exactly. Biden* gained exactly the votes Trump “lost”.

        Proof of fraud. QED.

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          Nadia bin Du Natan

          Yes exactly Lance. So some of us knew that they were setting up an election steal months in advance. I acknowledged what these people were warning (eg Sibel Edmonds) … But I thought that the bad guys would set up the election steal, see which way the wind was blowing, and then decide to not go through with it. I couldn’t see the motive for going through with the steal they were setting up, because the same networks already controlled both parties, the media and big business. Why would you conduct a coup if you already control both parties right? Why conduct a coup on oneself? Particularly as they saw fit to bring in the Chinese communists. What is the arbitrage there? Why form a power sharing arrangement?

          But anyway I was wrong. The coup went ahead. And this anomaly of motives will give us a better idea of what these people were thinking, in that resolving anything that stands out like a sore thumb gives you a better handle on reality. But what I’m hoping is that conservatives and libertarians (hopefully former libertarians. The philosophy was powerful but the experience on the ground is getting way out of hand). realise that the coup plotters didn’t go into this action green. You cannot get that many privileged people to stick their necks out all at once since what do you reward rich people with? So in reality they can’t have taken much of a risk. So that implies that they have been gas lighting us and running operations against us for a very long time. So I’m hoping that the conservative types will look at prior events, alleged to be more or less spontaneous, with a more skeptical eye from here on in.

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        David Maddison

        Interesting factoid:

        Four figure log tables occupied about two pages.

        Seven figure tables, about 200 pages.

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        Ian

        Trump won by a landslide did he a landslide did he? Yeah right. Neither you nor anyone else including Trump and his utterly useless campaign team of lawyers who believes that rubbish has produced any substantiated evidence that supports that claim. It is all “there were 11,000 affidavits or sacksfull of votes illegally added to or taken from the votes counted or counting was illegally stopped or scrutineers were sent away or made to stand too far away” and on and on.

        But not a scrap of incontrovertible evidence has been produced.

        Do commenters here really believe that up and down the country the judiciary both Republican and Democrat appointees, virtually unanimously falsely dismissed these claims?

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            Ian

            Yeah I checked it out Jo.

            This is from Forbes

            https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/02/05/oan-distance-itself-from-mypillow-ceo-mike-lindell-fraud-claims-but-will-air-his-three-hour-documentary/?sh=7d2624242797

            One America News aired a lengthy legal disclaimer Friday ahead of a documentary by MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell that distanced the network from his false claims about election fraud, as media networks try to shield themselves against anticipated defamation lawsuits from Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic for spreading conspiracy theories involving their voting machines.

            Newsmax also cut off Lindell when he was trying to push claims about Dominion in an interview Tuesday, with an anchor talking over Lindell to read a statement about the claims being unverified and then walking off the set.

            This is from NBC News

            https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mypillow-ceo-mike-lindell-says-products-were-dropped-major-retailers-n1254676

            Lindell has maintained that fraud led to President Donald Trump’s losing the election in November. He has used his Twitter account, where he has nearly 474,000 followers, and the MyPillow account to specifically spread falsehoods that machine voter fraud led to President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.

            Claims of voter fraud have been widely rejected.

            Election experts have uniformly declared that the 2020 election was conducted fairly. A union of every senior federal and state official who oversaw the election declared it “the most secure in American history.”
            This is from KCBS radio

            https://www.radio.com/kcbsradio/news/national/mypillows-mike-lindell-made-a-movie-about-election-fraud

            Following Twitter’s suspension of his account last month, he’s made several appearances spinning baseless claims of election fraud on OAN and Newsmax, the latter of which pushed back on his theories earlier this week. The CEO has gotten a cease and desist letter from Dominion Voting Systems, the company behind the voting machines at the center of the misinformation.

            None of Lindell’s allegations have been proven true.

            Perhaps you might like to look at these articles

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          Nadia bin Du Natan

          Do you have some evidence to the contrary Ian?

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            Ian

            Yeah Nadia a fair bit.

            It’s in previous comments on different threads over several weeks . Why did the Attorney -General William Barr a colleague and supporter of Trump state categorically the election was not fraudulent?

            The New York Times contacted elections officials in all 50 states, and found none reported any notable issues with the validity of the voting process. Where they all lying? Was the NYT report faked/

            Larry Garber, a professor at University of Arizona Law School who serves on the National Task Force on Election Crises, said the election was conducted better than officials had hoped. Is he lying?

            You might like to look at this https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55016029.

            Any explanation of why the judiciary dismissed all but one of Trump’s 632 lawsuits citing lack of plausible evidence/ And don’t say they didn’t look at the evidence because they provided written comments as to why it was flawed.

            https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-courts-election-results-e1297d874f45d2b14bc99c403abd0457

            https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/12/11/trump-election-lawsuits-and-judges-chaotic-aftermath-courts-column/3877651001/

            Do you really believe all these statements refuting fraud are lies? That Trump’s loss is due to a conspiracy involving the attorney general. Election officers. Judges and others?

            There ain’t no valid facts proving fraud that I’ve seen but there’s lots that show there wasn’t

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              Nadia bin Du Natan

              The media was part of the coup and obviously so.

              “Why did the Attorney -General William Barr a colleague and supporter of Trump state categorically the election was not fraudulent?”

              You don’t seem to understand what evidence is. It doesn’t matter what William Barr does or doesn’t do. He cannot go back in time and make a coup go away. His behaviour points to the power of the deep state and cannot constitute any evidence that the coup didn’t happen.

              “Do you really believe all these statements refuting fraud are lies? ”

              I don’t believe they are lies. I know for a fact that they are lies. The coup was manifest in the election spike. Something that is impossible in a fair election. You are not a statistics expert I take it? Sometimes I use understatement for effect.

              You don’t know what evidence is Ian. Data is only evidence if related to a clear and narrow hypothesis. If your hypothesis is that the mainstream media is the new Global Pravda, and that they all goose-step together, you might have something going on. But you haven’t produced anything to say that Biden got more votes than Trump.

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          Nadia bin Du Natan

          “Do commenters here really believe that up and down the country the judiciary both Republican and Democrat appointees, virtually unanimously falsely dismissed these claims?”

          We know for an absolute fact that this is what happened. Because …… thats what happened. Its not like we were on Mars at the time.

          So clearly your understanding of how the judiciary accepts or dismisses cases is completely wrong. You had one view of how the courts worked, and this view turns out to be incorrect. But what is important here is your wrong assumptions about how judges make these decisions cannot make the impossible possible. That is to say your misunderstanding of the American scene cannot make a voter spike possible in a fair election. You cannot have one set of wrong assumptions and those assumptions make what is completely impossible … possible. That cannot be done.

          So we have to work backwards from what we know to be impossible to find out what actually happened. Since the impossible is not possible. Not only did the courts goose-step to the same tune, but the media too, and the social media. So thats the way the world is right now. Thats what has to be changed. I think this has to be a revelation to many conservatives who were just thinking that Democratic craziness was an expanded version of corrupt Tammany Hall shenanigans. But everyone now has to get real with how the oppressors have their fingers in every pie.

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            Ian

            “We know for an absolute fact that this is what happened. Because …… thats what happened. Its not like we were on Mars at the time.”

            What a perfect example of a circular argument. Perhaps you might like to examine why the judges rejected the claims it wasn’t because they were biased and to suggest all 86 judges were conspiring to remove Trump is a conspiracy theory with absolutely no substance whatsoever.

            It isn’t difficult to understand the written comments of the judges that state we find there is no substantiated evidence in the claims placed before us and therefore the claims are rejected

            Suggest you spend just a little time having a good look at what the judges actually wrote.

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              Nadia bin Du Natan

              Were you watching the election or not. Some of us were. The steal was proven ON THE NIGHT. Since its impossible to have a voting spike in a fair election. Doesn’t matter what the judges wrote. They cannot retrospectively reverse an election steal that was manifest while it was happening. They are only judges. They are not time travellers.

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                Ian

                Nice try but unfortunately you get a fail as all the incidents claimed to show evidence of fraud have been shown to be normal procedures and/or procedures conforming to the law. Could you provide some examples hat support your claims?

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                Nadia bin Du Natan

                “Nice try but unfortunately you get a fail as all the incidents claimed to show evidence of fraud have been shown to be normal procedures and/or procedures conforming to the law.”

                No they haven’t. Thats a total lie for which you have zero evidence. Your fingers are writing cheques that your brain cannot cash.

                But don’t feel too bad. This is the first conspiracy that the conservative/libertarian nexus have been forced to concede en masse. So virtually all the people RIGHTLY looking down on you right now, and feeling a sense of superiority, have made the self-same epistemological errors, in relation to past events.

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                Ian

                Oh what a surprise NbDN. You didn’t provide any examples to back up your claims. I wonder why. Well actually I don’t wonder why as you ain’t got any.

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                Nadia bin Du Natan

                My evidence was that there was a voting spike which we knew about ON THE NIGHT. Thats my evidence for a coup. My hypothesis explains the data. Whereas your hypothesis (That Biden got more votes than Trump) does not explain the data. Data becomes evidence when its related by a process of reason to two or more (preferably three minimum but this story is cut and dried) competing hypotheses. My hypothesis is that there was a coup. The data …. the voting spike … has become evidence by virtue of the fact that I’ve related that data to the competing hypotheses while noting the statistical fact that there can never, anywhere in the galaxy or any other galaxy, be such an election spike in a free and fair election.

                This wasn’t even difficult work Ian. And you still blew it.

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      truth

      Why would the Democrats not want to show that then Harley…in order to avoid turmoil within the country.

      Surely even Democrats know that in dangerous times, turmoil within and a large part of the population [and allied countries]…that believe voting in the US is now meaningless…. that their country is no longer a democracy but the world’s most venal banana republic…with a ruthless junta in power and threatening not just their safety but their livelihoods and every aspect of their lives and their children’s futures effectively forever more….is a recipe for mayhem …real insurrection and geopolitical peril.

      Surely if they really thought they had won the election fair and square…they would license the judiciary to use the retention of ballots for the reason intended…to verify the massively contested result of a chaotic election…made chaotic by the Democrats’ own insistence on chaotic means to enable and ensure their own nefarious ends.

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        Serp

        Let he who is without nefarious ends cast the first remonstrance; knowing you won fair and square you’d never dream up what is a tiresome formality at best and would certainly lament the cost of it.

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    Byrne’s work is valuable and his story is interesting. But, as I pointed out here after the 2020 election, and got some important people upset, the time available to prove election fraud is only about six weeks, and that is not enough. Unless criminals confess in public. And they did not.

    At the link below is an example of the hard work required to investigate election fraud (a new article posted today):
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/exclusive-tcf-center-election-fraud-newly-recovered-video-shows-late-night-deliveries-tens-thousands-illegal-ballots-michigan-arena/

    The 2020 election was decided on December 16, 2020. The best lawyers in the world, working 18 hour days, could not have saved Trump in just six weeks. Now is the time to continue investigating 2020 election fraud, and getting state legislatures to make changes for the 2022 elections.

    Politicians get their jobs with elections. State politicians control elections. No politician wants the public to think elections have more than a tiny amount of fraud. The best way to NOT find election fraud, is to NOT look for it. That applies to Democrats, and Republicans too.

    Trump had a tough battle with the COVID shutdowns, the huge percentage of mail in ballots that encourage fraud, and the leftist press / social media shutting down the Hunter Biden influence peddling story.

    Trump did not help himself with constant interruptions in the first debate.

    But Trump’s big problem was over four years of negative coverage by over 95% of the mainstream media — it’s amazing that the election was close.

    January 6, 2021 was too late for a Trump rally — it served no purpose. The day was a formality — the Vice President announcing the elector count that had been decided on December 16, 2020.

    Trump called for a peaceful protest, which was legal, so he did not commit any crime. But the protest was not peaceful. Trump’s claim that he won the election, not backed up by specific evidence, AFTER the election was decided on December 16, was a huge political mistake. It ended his political career.

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    Dave in the States

    I’m reminded of the Feb 26th 1936 coup attempt in Japan. After army officers, who belonged to a socialist secret society, attacked the residence of the prime minister and killed the PM’s brother in law, who had put on the PM’s clothes and sacrificed himself, saving the PM’s life; the son in law of the PM who was held hostage in the residency needed to contact the emperor and tell him the PM was still alive, so the emperor would not accept the resignations of the remainder of the cabinet, thereby collapsing the government.

    On the pretext that he needed to arrange the funeral of the supposed dead PM, the son in law walked right out of the compound and went directly to the imperial palace. He was a personal adviser to the PM and a retired army officer with clearances. After arriving at the palace he found nobody there he could trust. The emperor had been totally isolated and surrounded by turncoats. He finally saw an old admiral he hoped he could still trust. He whispered in the admiral’s ear that the PM was alive and would the admiral inform the emperor. The admiral said nothing and just walked away. (within the hour navy warships blockaded Tokyo harbor, however)

    After awhile, a chambermaid approached him and bade him to follow her. She conducted him to a room where the emperor was being protected. The emperor was relieved to learn that the PM yet lived and immediately got the phone to the remaining cabinet authorities.

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      PeterS

      The only way the US military would listen to Trump and instigate a military takeover of the current government and avoid breaching the US Constitution at the same time is for Trump to prove beyond doubt somehow that the election was indeed a fraud resulting in a soft coup. I’m not suggesting he will or he won’t but if he does have the proof, he is certainly taking his time.

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        Nadia bin Du Natan

        He has the proof and you know what? It doesn’t matter. You have the proof also, assuming that you don’t expect everyone else to be your google Mommy right? So I have the proof. You have the proof. Trump has the proof. And it doesn’t matter. So you might want to brush up on your logic feller. All that hooky you were playing from school might be catching up with you now.

        Its not whose right or wrong. Its not what is right or wrong. Its which network controls finance and media that counts.

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          PeterS

          You do not know he has the proof any more than you know what colour underwear he is wearing right now. He might have, and even if he does he might be planning something really big in his good time. He also might have made the decision it’s not worth the angst of a civil uprising from the left. That would be a sign of a real leader with strong character who decides to step down even though he knows he won the election. We shall see what happens. One thing I’m expecting is Biden will be doing a better job of destroying the Democratic Party than Trump could ever do. Perhaps that’s Trump’s strategy.

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            Nadia bin Du Natan

            No you wrong Peter S. We know he’s got the proof. You have the proof, and so do I. Because we had a voter spike. And there is no such thing as a voter spike in a fair election. Or didn’t you get that far in school? You only have swings in democratic elections.

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              Ian

              Break it down NbDN. “Because we had a voter spike.. And there is no such thing as a voter spike in a fair election. ”

              Here isa link that shows there were voter spikes and explains why they occurred. Nothing sinister

              https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wi-pa-mi-vote-spikes-idUSKBN27Q307

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                Lucky

                I have read that Reuters ref. In it there are many repetitions of tech sounding obscure arguments.

                Try this one:
                ” counties releasing large batches of results all at once”
                But votes are counted one by one, if a number of machines are used then that number at a time. Over the time intervals recorded, 30 minutes, it could not have been tens of thousands counted.
                Looking at the patterns there are hardly any spikes at all before closing time when the manufactured ballots came in.
                Yes mailed in ballots come in as batches, but are not counted as batches, counting is one at a time per machine.
                On the other hand maybe it really was many at a time, at least as reported by the machine.
                Further the sus ballots were 90% for Biden. So Biden voters waited till after the close to put in their ballots, or Biden ballots were separated, held and collected then put in for counting as batch.
                Some of that is not absolutely impossible, so how about checking the ballots? Shredded.

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                Nadia bin Du Natan

                No that link is just rubbish Ian. There is nothing there. Thats why you chose not to explain the data in your own words. You hid behind a link and there was no evidence in that link.

                “Looking at the patterns there are hardly any spikes at all before closing time when the manufactured ballots came in.”

                In over a century of Australian elections there has never been any kind of Bidenesque spike. Because they are statistically impossible, particularly when the country is divided broadly down the middle by the candidates leading to the rough equivalence of a coin toss. And there can never be a large spike of heads or tails in a coin toss unless the coin is rigged. Thats why for the last (your age minus one) decades, on election night, you never heard about spikes and we haven’t heard about spikes anytime in Australian election history. Every election all the experts, all the analysts, all the quant guys ….. they only talk about SWINGS. Only swings. Never spikes. Because spikes are impossible and do not happen unless the election is rigged. So if you see a Spike, even a Trump spike, there is cheating going on. Every time. No exceptions. In fact there was a few spikes to Trumps favour. They added up to 3000 votes. So there may have been some sharp practices to his favour going on in one or two counties, depending what the cutoff is with how the analyst is defining what a spike means.

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    Springdam

    We have all questioned why the NG was securing the perimeter fence. This vid, if credible, will explain the role of the military. I recall seeing a video of Trump expressing concern over voter fraud, this was 2015.

    https://youtu.be/FS5NvpKKkCE

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      Serp

      It’s good to be given a date in the near future such as this chap’s February the twelfth…and look out you terrorist Macron… Blessedly brief and nearly all payload. Thanks Springdam.

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    David Wojick

    When the vote count strangeness on the scale of tens to hundred thousands started showing up I did an email broadcast saying simply “this could do it”. Given that Trump got 10 million more votes than last time only fraud on that scale could stop him.

    I can see how this scale simply choked the lawyers and Courts. No Court wants to make history. As the saying goes: “That’s all she wrote”.

    But the scale remains to play out. One hopes bravely.

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      Harley

      A great story to believe in David, if only there was the evidence for it.
      Whereas the evidence for a fairly run election ( according to the Reps own commission) is overwhelming, why the assault on logic?.

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        Nadia bin Du Natan

        So Harley? Where is your evidence that Trump got the most votes? You just are going to have to understand that you are not real smart.

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        Nadia bin Du Natan

        That BIDEN got the most votes I meant. I find your level of stupidity to be oppressive so I’m blaming you for the typo.

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          Harley

          Nadia, the master of logic, is not responsible for her typo and digs herself in deeper with a reverse burden of proof demand.
          You’re the one making the crazy claims without evidence, yet I’m supposed to supply evidence on top of the mountain that already exists?.
          Time to get back to agw denial

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            Nadia bin Du Natan

            There is no reverse burden of proof because there isn’t any burden of proof. No-one gets a head start. You claimed that Biden got more votes. So where is your evidence? You don’t have any do you?

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              Harley

              So sorry Nadia, I can’t argue with your Kraken fantasy.

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                Nadia bin Du Natan

                Do you have any evidence that Biden got more votes than Trump? Yes or no?

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                Ian

                “Do you have any evidence that Biden got more votes than Trump? Yes or no?”

                Yes. Biden is President. Trump ain’t.

                In each State the electoral colleges base their votes on the number of popular votes for Biden and for Trump.

                Biden got 306 Electoral College votes. Trump got 232

                Biden therefore got more of the popular vote than did Trump. About 7 million more.

                Them’s the facts

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              Nadia bin Du Natan

              Lets try again.

              Do you have any evidence that Biden got more votes than Trump?

              Now are you going to find some evidence? Or are you just going to sit there with all that egg on your face?

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        Antoine D’Arche

        This guy and others like him are only here to distract the rest of us from further fact finding. Get bogged down in debate and all that. He’s borderline competent at it. If it’s a he. Could be a chick in China for all we know. Anyway, not worth the effort guys. Our time is better spent finding more answers, not trying to convince the enemy that they shouldn’t attack us.

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          Ian

          “This guy and others like him are only here to distract the rest of us from further fact finding.”

          I and others like me must be doing something right then judging from the number of facts you and those like you have managed to find, a number is little different from zero on that would have had Kelvin gasping in awe.

          I can understand completely why you don’t want to engage in debate as without any substantiated facts to support your argument it is extremely difficult to do so.

          Yes, I am male. Live in Australia and have been commenting on JoNova’s blog since 2012. Like her I am a scientist and in fact went to the same uni she did.

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            Nadia bin Du Natan

            You have no numbers, you have no facts, you have no argument.

            For the specific hypothesis that Biden received more votes than Trump lets have your evidence or forever hold your peace.

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              Ian

              Here’s some numbers Nadia and the link from where the numbers came. Where are your numbers???? Look forward to seeing them with substantiating evidence of course

              “President-elect Joe Biden’s margin over President Donald Trump in the nationwide popular vote is now more than 7 million votes and may continue to grow as several states continue counting votes.

              Biden’s lead over Trump is the second largest since 2000, and is about two and a half times larger than Hillary Clinton’s popular vote lead over Trump in 2016.”

              https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/04/politics/biden-popular-vote-margin-7-million/index.html

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                Nadia bin Du Natan

                No you haven’t come up with any evidence that Biden got more votes than Trump. You hypothesis that Biden got more votes is inconsistent with the data which showed all the Biden voter spikes. So your hypothesis is falsified and the coup hypothesis is off to a great start since voter fraud is proven at the outset.

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    truth

    I’ve always thought Guiliani was a loose cannon…and Trump a little too loyal to him…but in this case …apart from the excessive drinking…I think he was right about the courts..and was overcome with the futility of it all considering the magnitude of the forces mobilized against Trump.

    In the lead-up to the election it was announced that Democrats had assembled a team of more than 800 lawyers …probably more in the end….ostensibly to prevent the Trump team from stealing the election…but even back then, everyone knew it was there to ensure the Democrats’ absolutely inevitable postal vote and absentee vote fraud would not be uncovered and would succeed.

    I think Guiliani’s attitude may have been because he knew exactly how the State courts would stop Trump’s lawyers in their tracks on procedure…legitimately or illegitimately …that once the votes are counted, such judges will move heaven and earth to avoid having to hear the actual evidence…especially when they think the evidence would be so compelling that the inevitable outcome would be the overturning of the election result….something they’re desperate to avoid playing any part in…especially the core role.

    Guiliani and other lawyers on the Trump team would have known from the start of the challenge that the odds were stacked massively against them…and with every subsequent judgment against them on procedure they would have been more convinced.

    The dissenting judgments reveal the prevailing and self-protecting attitude of the lower judges…and the SCOTUS judgments reveal that they’re happy that it never makes it from the lower courts to them…. and they know they’re protected in their perfidy by an impenetrable circular argument on procedure.

    It seems to me that the American legal system hugely favors electoral fraud success …which means that where contested …since electoral fraud around the world is always the province and strategy of the Left for whom their ends that they cast as ‘noble’…. justify….in their twisted thinking…. literally any means…..so that where contested, the US legal system is geared to favor a Democrat win by foul means.

    ‘Rudy’s team perhaps would have to have had superhuman organisation.’ said Byrne…and I think maybe that is the story.

    Byrne said, ‘I found Sidney was well-informed, open-minded, and it became clear she was on top of things.’..

    But look at how the piranhas of the press made her look like a conspiracy theorist /village idiot…and Lin Wood as well….as they can always do at will.

    The ‘new kind of electoral fraud’ that Sidney Powell referenced was the swamping of the counting at strategic times with whatever numbers of votes were ‘needed’ to ensure a Biden win…it’s what the >800 Democrat lawyers were mobilized to effect and keep hidden until Trump’s time ran out.

    ‘Byrne writes of chaos where opposing lawyers intimidated Trumps legal team, and Trumps lawyers pulled out.’

    Trump’s lawyers would have known… that with the unprecedented money available to the Biden team via Bloomberg…Soros etal all the ruthless uber-rich Socialist vested interests who stop at nothing…and with their ability with the courts’ help to time out the Trump effort… they[ the Trumpers] would have known that they had to try to herd cats through a pack of hungry hounds from hell.

    If Byrne had been recruited earlier he may have been able to prevent what looks like panic and loss of heart all round….but the obstacles would have remained and it’s hard to see how any legal team whose success would mean the election was overturned…could possibly succeed.

    The system and the judiciary are programmed and militantly determined…it seems to me…to embed the result in concrete…fraud and all… once the people have voted …and only a seismic shift in both legislation and convention …and a change in the culture to ensure that it’s not the result that’s sacrosanct but the fact that the result is above board …Constitutionally arrived at…and not the result of massive fraud.

    The last minute ‘too little, too late’ flurry by the Legislature re certification may have just been another tactic in the fraud IMO…feigning intent to do the right thing at five minutes to midnight when they knew it was already too late…giving them the right to say ‘we tried to rectify.’

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      Brian

      I just picked this up from one of the links:https://michaeljlindell.com/
      It is a must must watch.

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      David Maddison

      Very well said, truth.

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      Nadia bin Du Natan

      Since this is the first full-blown conspiracy that conservatives are acknowledging, they might not recognise that Rudolph was a tarnished figure from the start. So if you go back to earlier events, that ALSO cannot possibly be true as presented, you can see that he ought never have been handling matters. I won’t get into that because the conservative mind will be repelled by being forced to confront earlier incidents that they were wrong about. What is interesting to me is that in the earlier incidents, so much effort was put into fooling conservatives, because of course they knew that 90% of the left would just believe anything they were told. This is the first conspiracy where no effort was made to cater to the conservatives more refined sense of realism. And so I judge this election steal to be a mistake and a miscalculation. You should be able to mobilise troops without committing yourself to war, if thats an okay analogy.

      Rudolph was tarnished from the start. But what made it worse for me personally is that there is this short little troglodyte with bad knees, he’s overdressed for the heat. He’s fidgeting around and sweating hair dye. And all his on-stage movement is detracting from some of the hottest older women you are ever likely to see. I mean that Kraken lady. If you like older women she is so hot. Check out Jenna Ellis. She isn’t even an “older woman.” So here is Rudolph ruining my Joie de vivre. But thats not the real story here. Thats not what gives away Rudolph as being there playing the role of honourable loser.

      What stood out for me was my youtube feed constantly lining up that presentation, when all of the media was denying the evidence. Youtube is controlled by Google and Google is as deep state as you can get. So why keep circling me back to that presentation every time I walk away from the computer? Now they are giving me Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins. A failed physicist and it would be nice if atheists weren’t as gullible as Richard. But back then it was this constant circle-back to Rudolph. So that is very suspicious right there. And never did I hear the phrase “Green Revolution” fall from the lips of Rudolph. I think he was meant to lose.

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    Lance

    The Tuesday 3 Nov 20 US election was an orchestrated illusion.

    Just as the “masks are essential” diatribe is an illusion of “doing something”.

    Let’s try Triple Masks, eh?

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Na6RdWvAex4/YBrWlYkozfI/AAAAAAACoH4/yhWCjgG1WZ4V9xXAwdpHnUADXyMum56bgCLcBGAsYHQ/w630-h640/90mimb_f11eeff3d309386ec338628a310eb50d_1fb98fd1_500.jpg

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    OldOzzie

    Once There Was A Country

    Are we still living in America? One wonders. But we’d better recognize the source of the problem and confront it before they cancel John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart.

    America was once a proud country, a gracious one, and an accomplished one. That’s no longer true, but there is one American institution that bears the responsibility for this fall and that can still be reformed.

    Once there was a country that could magnanimously reconcile its most profound differences. The victorious general of a civil war returned to the losing general his sword. The policy in the aftermath of strife was “Reconstruction” not “Retaliation.” Hands were shaken, each side saluting its former enemies for their fortitude and valor.

    If we want that kind of country and those kinds of cities back again, we have to understand where and how we lost them. We lost our country in the universities, as an entire generation was taught grievances, obsessions, and panaceas. They became ideologues. They became commentators. They became elected officials and corporate managers. They howl in the streets, topple statues, elevate criminals to the status of victims, and refuse to prosecute them. They posit a social good, such as justice, and demand it, and have the arrogance to imagine they also possess the wisdom and capacity to bring it about…instantly.

    They seek to silence anyone deviating from the party line.

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      PeterS

      No, the Republic died on Jan 20, 2021. Move on.

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            “George Bush, the first U.S. diplomatic representative to the People’s Republic of China back in 1973, was a member of Skull and Bones. So was his father, brother, son, uncle, nephew, and several cousins. Winston Lord, the Reagan-Bush administration Ambassador to China was a member; so was his father and several other relatives. James Lilley, the current Ambassador to China, is a member of Skull and Bones, as was his brother. With the exception during the Carter administration, every U.S. Ambassador to Beijing ,since Kissinger’s deal with Mao Zedong was a member of the Skulls and Bones.
            In 1903, Yale Divinity School established a number of schools and hospitals throughout China that were collectively known as ‘Yale in China.’ It has since been shown that ‘Yale in China’ was an intelligence network whose purpose was to destroy the republican movement of Sun Yat-sen on behalf of the Anglo-American Establishment. The Anglo-American “Establishment” hated Sun, because he wanted to develop China. On the other hand, they loved the Chinese communists because they intended to keep China backward, and were committed to the production of drugs. . One of ‘Yale in China’s’ most important students was Mao Zedong.
            “During World War II, ‘Yale in China’ was a primary instrument used by the U.S. Establishment and its Office of Strategic Services (OSS) to install the Maoists into power.
            ‘Yale in China’ was run by OSS operative Reuben Holden, the husband of Bush’s cousin, and also a member of Skull and Bones. “The Maoists made China into the world’s largest opium producer. http://mygen.com/users/ufo/Mao_was_a_Yale_Man.html

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      Richard Ilfeld

      Reality can be a funny thing;
      Things may, of course go very badly, and all hope will be moot.
      On the other hand, the Dems may find that this election was their zenith;
      In their first days in power they can open the border but no open our cities schools;
      They can corrupt the military structure; but than they corrupt the soldiers?
      Their cities, which may get money, will, with and uneducated cohort worse than any before,
      defunded police, defunct schools, no jobs, no shopping, no tourists, higher taxes,
      and the trickle of exodus becoming a stream, may be too dystopian to be power structures.
      Blacks, forced into positions beyond their capacity, facing whites they treat as hating them,
      will find that the reservoir of good will has been replaced by a new form of social distance;
      all profit from engagment has been lost. And, as high school kids left to their owns devices
      will readily self-segregate in a cafeteria at lunch, we will live apart rather than try to make
      the impossible fantasies of the woke seem real. Where they try will be San Francisco.
      And we will form a country from the countryside because there is no need any longer for our 19th
      and 20th century cities.

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    Forrest Gardener

    Some interesting perspectives from a man who was close to the centre of the action. Even with 20-20 hindsight though I don’t really see him or anybody else setting out a course of action which would have changed the outcome.

    There were just too many incompetent or corrupt actors in key positions in the US election system. A good example is how nominally republican states delegated their power to choose electors to unelected bureaucrats and failed to retain the ability to take that power back even in the face of the plainest evidence of fraud by those bureaucrats.

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      Nadia bin Du Natan

      I think an explanation which relies on so many dysfunctional individuals being on the scene by sheer serendipity is no explanation at all. When the US State department organises a colour revolution in the Ukraine, we don’t call it a series of inexplicable individual failures …. unless we are subject to the power of the local Ukrainian puppet press.

      This was a colour revolution. So it was not unfortunate. It was orchestrated. It was not a bunch of unfortunately incompetent individuals. Any more than a dozen rifleman showed up in Dealey Plaza at one time, just because each individual was feeling kind of daffy, on that one day.

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      Tel

      A good example is how nominally republican states delegated their power to choose electors to unelected bureaucrats and failed to retain the ability to take that power back even in the face of the plainest evidence of fraud by those bureaucrats.

      The US Constitution does not allow that power to be delegated … it says clearly “Legislature”.

      What actually happened was those Republicans abdicated, by their own choice.

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    markx

    Gee, what a great pity that slick and efficient crew didn’t manage to get another go at running the country.

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      Nadia bin Du Natan

      Its not about the Trump crowd markx. Its about whether the Americans ever get to have a proper election again. The American people ought to be able to elect their office-holders.

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    Geoff Sherrington

    You have to assume that a President has detailed information not easily seen by the voting public.
    Soon after the election, Trump might have concluded that an immediate, strong reaction to his alleged voting fraud would cause social disruption and the loss of many lives.
    A responsible person might well have decided to pass on immediate bloodshed, but to wait for the mid-term election in 2 years. Meanwhile, there would be enough time to let the voter know that rigged elections were less likely in 2022.
    Tump has an impressive history of being a step or two ahead of the popular thoughts. I’d be happy to back him to regain Senate control at least in 2022. Meanwhile, I’d be looking for signs that this tactic might be in use.
    I don’t entirely buy the Time plot theory that big business got in bed with big union. In the past, when such a scenario was addressed here in Aus, nobody I knew from big business would have a bar of it.
    Some CEOs who are well out of their depth might swing with the breeze from one side to another, but they are not impoertant, running Skippy flights and so on. You have to ask yourself what alleged Big Business stood to gain. Getting offside with a past President who could rise again would be considered.
    Geoff S

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      Lucky

      No. In Australia big business is and always has been allied with big unions and big government, it helps to suppress competition and makes life easier. Higher wages are fine with them all, they and regulators just put up prices. Tariffs keep out competitors.
      In the US recently big business has given hundreds of millions of dollars to burn-loot-murder. In Australia mining and energy companies give big money support to wasteful green projects, they do get some acclaim for it from big media but the main reason is the money goes to green opinion leaders.
      I recall that about 2 years ago Joanne Nova was prevented from addressing an energy conference.
      In Australia other areas of coordination (conspiracy) are indigenous employment schemes, which do not work, and superannuation, this gives big fees to a few top union officials, they seem to be legally immune from the sole benefit test.

      ” nobody I knew from big business would have a bar of it.”
      The correct description of that statement is not suitable for a family friendly forum.

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    OldOzzie

    America is nearing the last exit on the highway to Hell

    The metastatic cancer of “cancel culture” that has taken root in the American sociopolitical environment features a couple of mechanisms all too common in communist regimes — purges and struggle sessions.

    In the former Soviet Union, it was Stalin’s practice to purge anyone he saw as a threat to his position. It didn’t matter whether the person was a staunch communist or a true believer in the revolution. If he didn’t bend to Stalin’s will, he was removed. Many people just disappeared.

    In America today, if you are not a Democrat or are an insufficiently progressive Democrat, you too can be a counterrevolutionary and an enemy of the state. If you do not see the similarity between the bloodlust Stalin had for Trotsky and the hate Democrats have for Donald Trump and anyone associated with him — with Trump-supporters demonized as “domestic terrorists,” “white supremacists,” and “insurrectionists” — you either do not know history or choose not to look.

    “Struggle sessions” were China’s version of the “glorious people’s revolution.” Mao used to subdue and control a billion people spread across China’s vast landscape, most of which was rural and agrarian. They were a form of public humiliation and torture that forced the subject to admit various crimes before a crowd of people who would verbally and physically abuse the victim before, during, and after the confession. Struggle sessions, though, were not designed primarily to punish the guilty. They were used to shape public opinion, as well as to humiliate, persecute, or execute political rivals and those deemed class enemies. Struggle sessions were cancel culture on steroids.

    These tactics exist in contemporary American culture. The cancel mob will persecute anyone who says the wrong word, writes the wrong paper or editorial, retweets the wrong tweet, holds the wrong opinions, or is determined to be a danger to progressive ideology or Democrats — and “wrong” is defined as anything progressive Democrats don’t like.

    Time to open your eyes, my patriotic friends in the Democrat party. The blind, vitriolic hate of Donald J. Trump and the bloodthirsty lust for power of your party’s leadership has America on the highway to Hell. The last exit is approaching fast; let’s not miss it.

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    Kevin a

    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
    The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmHctrpj-6A
    Timcast IRL – TIME Magazine Says Elite Cabal Conspired To “Fix” Election w/Jack Posobiec

    @8:00 Trump was right

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    dinn, rob

    video evidence from Detroit
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/exclusive-tcf-center-election-fraud-newly-recovered-video-shows-late-night-deliveries-tens-thousands-illegal-ballots-michigan-arena/
    …………….
    But after surviving the horrors and privations of World War II, as well as Mao Zedong’s Cultural Revolution and the establishment of the People’s Republic of China in 1949, most of Yale-in-China’s staff were evacuated from the country by 1951. With the expulsion of the last staff member, Yale’s involvement in mainland China ended for nearly 30 years. Only in 1980, after China had opened its doors to the West once more, did Yale return to Changsha.

    Tuesday, February 21st, 2006

    Yale University is known as one of the most prestigious centers of   learning in the world. It is now also known as the home of the Skull   and Bones secret society of which both Presidential Candidates in the   2004 election, Senator John Kerry and President George W. Bush were   members. President Bush is third generation Skull and Bones , while Senator Kerry’s first wife’s father and   brother were members, as was the former father-in-law of Teresa Heinz-  Kerry whom he is now married to. Ms. Heinz.
    Kerry’s becoming a billionairess after her previous husband Senator  Heinz died in a bizarre plane crash is but one of numerous odd events   that follow this organization everywhere it goes and affect everyone  it comes into contact with.
    What is not known to the general public is the connection that Yale University had to Mao Tse Tung, the ‘Great Helmsman” of China that   navigated the Chinese nation across the proverbial river Styx into the human rights hell that it currently is, with organs and collagen   being harvested for sale from political prisoners and every manner of  evil perpetrated with no recourse for the tens and millions of   victims. In fact Mao and his “Little Red Book” are responsible for more deaths   and misery over the long term than anyone else in history. Mao is also a “Yalie”. http://mygen.com/users/ufo/Mao_was_a_Yale_Man.html
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    OldOzzie

    America’s Political Prisoners First

    While official Washington fixates on the plight of an anti-Putin Russian political dissident, American supporters of Donald Trump are facing persecution and prosecution here at home.

    The judge added that refusing to accept the outcome of the 2020 election is like “not believing facts or science.” (Faruqui, it’s worth noting, was appointed a federal magistrate last year after a 12-year career at the D.C. U.S. Attorney’s office, the same office overseeing every January 6 related case. This is the swamp in action.)

    So, facing just one federal misdemeanor, Griffin will remain locked up for the foreseeable future.

    He is, for all intents and purposes, a political prisoner. In fact, some FBI filings refer to unnamed protestors as “insurrectionists.” The seditious cake is baked.

    “Only the Beginning”

    Since all cases will be adjudicated in Washington, D.C., it’s a sure bet that defendants will be shown no mercy in the Trump-hating Beltway legal system also responsible for prosecuting Roger Stone and Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn—just a few of the Americans targeted by law enforcement solely based on their ties to Donald Trump.

    Authorities admit that the Justice Department’s various sedition strike forces will leverage minor offenses in an attempt to manufacture bigger cases against Trump allies.

    Political Discrimination

    Both the so-called “zip-tie” agitator and his mother are being held without bail and will be transferred from their homes in Tennessee to Washington, D.C. for trial. Eric Munchel and Lisa Eisenhart face various charges including conspiracy and disorderly conduct; despite the media narrative, they did not bring the zip-tie constraints into the Capitol but rather found them in the building.

    The Sedition Hammer

    Prosecutors handling the case suggested Munchel and Eisenhart could be the first people charged with the “exceedingly rare” crime of sedition.

    Judge Beryl Howell, an Obama appointee and chief judge of the D.C. district court, last week overruled a lower court decision that permitted Munchel to be released pending trial. (Howell was a fierce critic of the Trump Administration who also oversaw the Mueller probe’s grand jury. The swamp, again, in action.)

    Putin Smiles

    Those are just a few examples of how Trump supporters are being treated in this investigation; it stands in stark contrast to the way the same law enforcement authorities handled Black Lives Matter rioters in Washington, D.C. last year—prosecutors dropped nearly all charges against hundreds of rioters for more severe crimes including destruction of property and assaulting police officers. That sort of selective treatment played out in cities across the country, and still does.

    One set of Americans, based on their political allegiance, not only escape punishment but are heralded as heroes of democracy. The other group is demonized as traitors, harassed by the news media, denied bail for minor offenses, and presumed guilty until proven innocent by partisan judges and prosecutors.

    Meanwhile, the putative leaders of the Republican Party purposely ignore these injustices, far more worried about the fate of Alexei Navalny than their own countrymen. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell spoke out this week in defense of Navalny after he was sentenced to prison by a Russian court. “Just the latest in Putin’s long campaign to subvert democracy and the rule of law,” McConnell tweeted February 2.

    Apparently, the dangerously politicized rule of law here in the United States is of no concern to McConnell; scalp-hungry partisan prosecutors, working right under his nose and egged on by his colleagues, are poised to build virtually unheard of sedition cases against regular Americans.

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    Gee aye

    That was actually quite entertaining. One question though c

    How can you be a former founder?

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    yarpos

    None of this is very surprising really. The US seems to love fiefdoms, turf wars, creating artificial interfaces and then wondering why it all doesn’t really hang together that well. eg How many layers of armed policing do you really need? apparently apparently town, campus, city, state, fish and game, animal protection, and all the acronym agencies. This is repeated through all aspects of life.

    I remember thinking back in the 90s when I was travelling a lot on business that I could get of the plane in Asia or Europe , turn on my phone and it would just work. In the US not so much as they just had to head off with another standard and had no plan at the time for national coverage. In New York they were trumpeting a new GSM network that covered “the entire Tri-State area!” mmmm, wow, meanwhile in Canada and most places they had national coast to coast systems running.

    This is part of why things that already exist in other places like a reasonable minimum wage and reasonable accessible health care seem like an impossibility or socialist Armageddon to many Americans. In some ways they are, because if they attempt these things with their ever fragmented approach, yep, the probably will blow up. Maybe as the Irish say…..”you cant get there from here

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    David Maddison

    As mentioned by others above, the Time Magazine article, basically admitting (too late) that the US election was stolen needs to be widely promoted.

    Be prepared to see the Socialist Billionaires of social(ist) media and their army of useful idiots work overtime to suppress it.

    Of course, Time is a Leftist publication, one of their own. But they brazenly see what was done as protecting the US from a Trump win.

    This is a huge story.

    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

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      Serp

      When I spotted he video caption “Incited by the President, Trump Supporters Violently Storm the Capitol” I recoiled and exited the page in no doubt that Time has declared open season on Trump.

      Let’s see if his impeachers suspend the cruel and unusual qualification on punishments so that he can be flayed and the tanned hide subdivided into relics sold out of tourist kiosks at national monuments; I’d buy one.

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    Betty Luks

    IT BEGINS FROM WITHIN

    In my understanding an association of persons – a community, a tribe, even a nation – does not remain stable without trust among its people. Most certainly when the people have no trust in and despise their leaders!

    Exiled in America for many years, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, on his return to his native land, in his 1990 book “Rebuilding Russia” wisely counselled his own people that the path they needed to follow, if they wanted to find their own way back from the oppression and desolation of the years of Communist rule, begins from within.

    It begins with a regeneration of their own spiritual energies and their relationships one with another.

    “The strength or weakness of a society depends more on the level of its spiritual life than on its level of industrialisation. Neither a market economy nor even general abundance constitutes the crowning achievement of human life. The purity of social relations is a more fundamental value than the level of abundance.”

    Solzhenitsyn went on to list the order of priorities for the Russian people for their ‘regeneration’. The regeneration begins from within, it is an ‘organic growth’. Natural growth and expansion begins from within and so does the regeneration of a nation’s soul.

    “If a nation’s spiritual energies have been exhausted, it will not be saved from collapse by the most perfect government structure or by any industrial development: a tree with a rotten core cannot stand.
    And that is why the destruction of our souls over three quarters of a century is the most terrifying thing of all.”

    “Next comes the regeneration of families and communities and nations – again from within. What is clear is that the process should start at the local level with grass-roots issues… We must patiently and persistently expand the rights of local communities … ”

    Sadly, it looks like the Russian people were betrayed by those who came after Solzhenitsyn – as were the American people.

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    RickWill

    I have seen various reports of Patrick Byrne’s net worth. All have him in positive territory but the range is from $100k to $90M.

    However Byrne has apparently fancied bitcoin. In fact Overstock started trading with bitcoin in 2014. Back then bitcoin traded for about $500. It is reported that when he sold out of Overstock for $90M he put some of that into bitcoin. BTC has roughly doubled since he sold out of Overstock in 2019.

    I figure there is no way of knowing how much he has invested in bitcoin. That is a double edged sword. It means he could indeed be a billionaire in old money terms but he has no one prepared to defend his claim to the bitcoin if it were stolen. I also figure there would be a few people on that job right now.

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    CHRIS

    If Byrne has heavily invested in bitcoin…then he will be, eventually, dead and buried. Bitcoin has no future in this current economic environment, but may have one in the distant future (I’m talking about the 22nd Century, when cash and gold will not be important financially). Anyway, fun times ahead…

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