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The not so United States: Plan for Texas secession vote tabled

Texit coming?

If the voters don’t like the Government and have no hope of changing it, they might want to vote themselves a new country.

And so it begins: The Texas Referendum Bill is Official

[Epoch Times] A lawmaker in Texas this week introduced a measure that would allow state residents to discuss, debate, and vote on independence from the United States.

State Rep. Kyle Biedermann, a Republican, filed House Bill 1359, also known as the Texas Independence Referendum Act.

Voters would choose in a referendum on Nov. 2, 2021, whether the state should leave the United States and “establish an independent republic,” the act states (pdf).

Joshua Phillips of the Epoch Times is looking forward to the discussion this sparks. And if Texas can’t vote itself out, it might still do it with approval from the other states (and there are more Republican states than Democrat ones). Besides, says Phillips, the Democrats might not mind if the giant Texas Electoral College count was rendered moot. The Republicans in the smaller old USA would never win again. (As if they have a chance now?)

The real problem, I suspect, is that other states would rather go with Texas, than the Tech-Oligopoly Lynch Mob, and that will definitely ruin some plans for global dominion.

In other news 6 State Attorneys General Warned Biden that if he over-reaches they will be firing back court challenges.

How much breaking can a Federation of States take?

 

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113 comments to The not so United States: Plan for Texas secession vote tabled

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    Ian1946

    The USA needs to split, leave the ultra woke Democrat states to fend for themselves. WA, OR, CA would not last long as a civilisation with Anita and BLM calling the shots.

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      OriginalSteve

      Yep…and snarky lefty latte sippers are inherently useless at real stuff, like running power plants…..

      The blue states will literally die if the red states cut them off. I feel sorry for those trapped in blue states.

      Socialism is its own Darwin Award….

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      Klem

      Destruction and chaos are precisely what the Left wants. Its their dream to see the demise of the USA, especially lifelong Socialists like Klaus Schwab.

      If the US breaks up, the Left have won.

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        PeterS

        Wwhen the US breaks up, the left will lose, by definition and in reality.

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        Yes, in my view we are not there yet. However we are far closer then I ever imagined we would be.

        Personally I would like to see a massive unified push for fair elections…

        All elections shall not have mail in ballots except for absinte ballots for limited reasons.

        Voter ID required at all election stations.

        Machines will have zero internet access.

        Two sets of voter tabulation machines will be used, each approved by both parties and independents, each subject to audit, each capable of comparing to each other all votes and voter ID tied to that vote.

        Each set of machines will work off an audited national voter database, and immediately set aside any different computation by the other machine. The counts must match exactly. No partial votes are possible. This database will be updated monthly, and auditable by two different auditors, again one selected by Democrats, one by Republicans, both approved by independents.

        All states shall work off of one national voter registered data base that automatically only allows one vote per citizen, and eliminates all dead voters, all disqualifying felonies.

        Illegal residents shall not be allowed to vote.

        All votes will be tallied and reported within teo hours of the close of polls.

        All absinte ballots will be completed and turned in within 2 days of the general election day, and tabulated by 12 noon on election day. All late ballots will be discounted.

        Ballot harvesting is illegal.

        Automatic registration is illegal.
        It is the citizens responsibility to registered and vote on time, and properly.

        If we do not have fair elections, the nation will be torn apart. This is a reality, not a threat.

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      Custer Van Cleef

      I know I’m repeating myself but how about a loose Conglomeration of States that stays under the umbrella of the Federal Govt but uses its power as a BLOCK, to restrain and roll back Washington.

      With strength in numbers, they could oppose/reverse “woke” legislation emanating from lefty activists (AKA The Democrat Party).

      Another priority would be demanding an Audit of the 2020 Election.

      Secession by a single state is weaker than a 30-strong block threatening to secede unless the Federal Govt backs off.

      BTW, I’m a friend of America (the defending-freedom version) – not trying to foment a violent uprising. 🙂

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    PeterS

    When I saw this news yesterday I made the comment that if it actually occurs I will add Texas to my short list of possible destinations if living here in Australia becomes unbearable. I’ve been there many years ago and found it peaceful compared to the rat race in New York. As part of my long term exit plan, I will first visit a select two or three possible destination prior to making my final decision. There’s no hurry as the general decline and destruction of the West will take several years. I do hope Australia though doesn’t become unbearable so I don’t have to bother to check them out. Only time will tell.

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      wokebuster

      It won’t happen but they should have a referendum anyway just to guage public support.

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        Binny Pegler

        Let’s not forget Britex it wasn’t supposed to happen either.

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        PeterS

        It depends on when things become too bad. There is always a line in the sand and when it’s crossed many states will secede. No Republic lasts forever, never has and never will. It’s a fact of life.

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        Ted1

        The quickest way to settle it.

        29 million people.

        BTW. If 300 million people in the US can’t stay united, how can 1,300 million people in China stay united?

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          PeterS

          The Democrats are working on it! They will achieve the same goal as the CCP did, by draconian measures. The US Constitution means nothing to the Democrats.

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          Sceptical Sam

          Ted1 asks:

          how can 1,300 million people in China stay united?

          Answer: by looking up the barrels of the guns of the Peoples’ Liberation Army.

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            Analitik

            It worked just fine for the Soviet Union too until they ran out of money.

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            OldOzzie

            Chinese Whistleblower: CCP on Verge of Collapse. Here’s How We Can Hurry It Along

            “China is on the brink of an economic collapse.” Overseas Chinese whistleblower “L” reveals her three-part plan to hurry their economic downfall and take down the CCP.

            “Look at where China is taking their power from,” L told War Room: Pandemic. “The American people have funded their growth through purchase of goods and investment.”

            How do the American people stop it? “You starve this Chinese paper dragon to death,” L said.

            1) Don’t buy Chinese goods and buy second hand

            2) Take individual investment out of the Chinese companies in the stock market

            3) Educate three of your friends who then spread the word to three of their friends

            “Everyone thinks china is very powerful, but in reality” they are on the verge of collapse, L said. “A small push will make them fall off the cliff.”

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      Harry Passfield

      Can recommend Austin. I gave a friend in Amarillo says it’s great there too.

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        Murray Shaw

        Nah, Austin is the “liberal” capital of Texas, saw a report that all the CA migrants are moving to Austin, so it is in grave danger of an accompanying downhill slide.

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          Tony K

          I’ll believe it when I see it. That doesn’t mean I won’t enjoy seeing the court case decide the issue, but Texas Reps bring out the secession card every time a new Dem president is chosen. Texans hold a view that Texas is a state that because of its long period of independence, can also secede easily where other states can’t. I won’t say it won’t happen, but it’s extremely unlikely.

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          Many of those California citizens moving to Texas, may be conservatives fleeing California.

          I personally know several.

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    Salome

    Secession. Check the heading.

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      PeterS

      Correct but I’ve seen many sites confusing the two words. Perhaps it’s their spelling checker picking the wrong word and the writer not bothering to double check. The irony is they almost mean the exact opposite to each other. By definition:

      Succession is a noun. It means who or what comes next, and in what order. In a monarchy, it refers to what prince or princesses will follow the king or queen. In England, Prince Charles in next after Elizabeth II, and his eldest son, Prince William, will follow him.

      Secession is a noun. It means the act of seceding, or when a few states or provinces break away from the rest of the nation.

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        PeterPetrum

        In England? At this stage also in Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland too! England is only one country in the British nation.

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          Annie

          Quite so Peter, although it is by far the largest! The UK is The United Kingdom of Britain and Northern Ireland.

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            PeterPetrum

            And “Great Britain” refers to the “big island” that encompasses England, Scotland and Wales. It has nothing to do with the Brits big-noting themselves. Ireland is situated on “Little Britain” – thus the British Isles”. Thus endeth today’s geopolitical lesson.

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        Ted1

        Turn off the predictive text and spell correction. Otherwise remember if you are in too much hurry to proof read it you suffer the consequences.

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      Damon

      Jo may have done science, but she certainly missed English grammar.

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        PeterPetrum

        Oh, come on. Be fair, have you never typed and sent off something, especially late at night, and then discovered an embarrassing typo, spelling or grammatical error.

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    dinn, rob

    crucial: don’t give me the OT on this!
    no evidence allowed; how China got rich (documentary) https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/01/blog-post.html

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    Dave Blake

    A well organised, Texas-led secession movement could serve as an ongoing counterpoint to the holders of power in Washington (HoPoWa), by ironically copying the tactics used by Brussels in slowing the Brexit process.
    Secession states could write and apply many administrative procedures designed as irritants for non-Texans, e.g. ‘passport’ or ID controls at gateways. Of course, this would be reciprocated, to great national annoyance.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    I expect the form this may take is a compact of states, lead by Texas, Florida, Tennessee, and some others, who propose to reaffirm a federation under the constitution,
    and reform the constitutional republic of the United States of America. The Simple litmus test can be equality before the law, and auditable elections; rather than equity before the law and managed selections.

    Retaining the Constitution and Bill of Rights we all grew up with will do wonders for public acceptance; and place the burden of argument on those outside the founding group;
    the idea that they are the breakaway faction would be important.

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      PeterS

      Good points. Yes, it will test the validity of the SCOTUS and prove once and for all if they care about the Constitution or as they have done lately ignore it and make up their own fake rules. It can be argued that the SCOTUS is no longer abiding by the Constitution and thus is illegal under the Constitution and therefore can itself be ignored by any state and so have their own supreme court make their own rulings based on the Constitution. It will be tear apart the union in the process but it’s been broken anyway for some time.

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    The HyperVentilating, Depraved, and MOST Deplorable (and still asleep) Vlad the Impaler

    Greetings to all:

    Just a few weeks ago I made contact with one of our State House of Representatives, suggesting that Wyoming take the lead in starting a secession from the Banana Republic States of America (since that’s what it has become), to (apparently) no avail.

    I applaud Texas for starting the ball rolling; there could be no better outcome than an avalanche of States distancing themselves from the CorruptocRAT DemoncRat run federal government.

    Yes, they can destroy us; they do so at their own peril, but being [Snip] DemoncRAT [Snip]AD communists, they won’t see it until it is too late.

    On a side note, a place called Weld County, in the northern part of Colorado, just north of the greater Denver Metroplex, is exploring secession from the State of Colorado, to become part of Wyoming. There’s been episodic talk of several of the counties (mostly in western Colorado, which have more in common with Wyoming than Colorado) taking a similar action, over the past decade or so. Not much action, but the idea has been out there. One cannot help but wonder if there might be some real impetus to this, in view of the fraudulent and corrupt election practices the DemoncRAT totalitarians have implemented.

    Hey Texas!!! You have more support than you know! Lead the way and let’s get this started!!!

    Regards to all,

    Vlad

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      PeterS

      It’s just a matter of time. It all depends on how quickly the neo-Democrats take America down into the abyss. Beyond a certain point, as I believe they will eventually, some states will have no option but to secede.

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        PeterS

        Or for that matter the neo-Republicans if they ever gain control. Both parties are on the downhill run, which is why Trump became POTUS in the first place (and still ought to be if the elections were not poisoned by a flood of fake news by the MSM, Democrats, big business, etc.) prior to and during the elections.

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      OriginalSteve

      Perhaps if the perception is that the USA is headed by an iligitimate govt and iligitimate president ( due to perceived illegal fraudulent ellections ) then the USA only exists if the States agree.

      Ergo, removing states breaks the USA, but extracts Texas in this case from under a communist govt.

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    Mike-SMO

    Why stick with “states”? Chicago, Saint Louis, NYC, San Francisco, etcd. are toxic “Blue” waste dumps with no visible means of survival if they are abandoned by the “surround”.

    The cities are historical remains from 19th Century railroads and early 20th Century communications (telephone). They are now expensive, non-productive waste dumps.

    The”surrund” is full of productive people and enterprise.

    Watch out for the chaos when the “Blues” have to pay for their fuel, water, food, and power. The Ukraine (1933) is what they are about. 6-12 Million victims, not counting those in Russia and Iran.

    “They” don’t like states and the Electoral Voting. “OK, Good Luck.” But be ready.

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    Just Thinkin'

    Looks like things are happening in DC.

    Maybe lots of arrests. 67% of Congress.

    WOWSERS.

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    TdeF

    The US will not split up. Texans are very proud and aware of their right to secede. The same story in Western Australia. However there would be no winners in America if this happened, but China and Europe would be delighted as they would both be promoted.

    What the Wu Flu has made clear is that the States in the US and Australia are quite independent on matters of health, police, education and most laws. The Federation scope is only with external matters, mainly defence and trade. And Daniel Andrews has challenged that by signing his own international deal and I have read, printing his own Green Bonds, all in defiance of the Constitution.

    The real hold the Federal governments have is taxation and the control of that money. And much of Australian’s hold is done around the Constitution by using gifts to reward compliant States. Otherwise the states have to be treated equally, which is not true for GST for example, where South Australia is rewarded for shutting down mining and making the state a basket case while Western Australia is punished for hard work and success.

    So I cannot see Texas seceding. They can build their own wall, run their own education system and issues like transgender soldiers are really absurd and irrelevant. And pronouns. Biden and Harris have four years to make Americans like them as much as China and Europe do. I cannot imagine a more unpopular and useless geriatric President. Nor a greater reaction against the Democratic party at every level at the next election.

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      OriginalSteve

      The next election will be the same as this one….and Sleepy Joe will miraculously get 99% of the vote.

      Its broken.

      The best solution is the Dems not being in power.

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        TdeF

        There will be no Wu Flu. It is up to each of the states to fix this. There is time for Biden and Harris to alienate even their own happy followers in Hollywood and the media.

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          OriginalSteve

          I’m not so sure…when Che Guerva took over cuba, his marxist followers used to execute each other for not being “marxist enough”. Che himself used to have a window to watch executions. Seems to be that he enjoyed them.

          When the Bolshevik ciommunists murdered the Czars family in Russia, there were bayonet marks in the floor due to the frenzied attack.

          This to me suggests leftist mindset appears to be more a form of being not quite stable.

          I wouldnt expect the left to exhibit a form of rational thought as we know it. It also appears the Left is a moral free zone – to expect the same type of processing of ideas is wrong, based on experience.

          I’d also venture the C C P appear to be more sa.tanist in their actions , than athiest. They exhibit certain behaviours that track down what appears to be quite a dark & brutal path.

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        Tilba Tilba

        The best solution is the Dems not being in power.

        No – the best solution is that people accept the rule of law, the principles of democracy, and acknowledge that sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. That leads to a decent liberal democracy.

        Those who do not accept that their opposition has a right to win and rule are just … well … fascists.

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    Ruairi

    Many people would better relate,
    To more rights in their own nation state,
    So if Texas breaks free,
    Let democracy be,
    Their standard before it’s too late.

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    graham dunton

    A police state, I/ you will not believe this is happening in Australia. NB TdeF
    There does need to be legal clarification, this vid is specific to a state, but similar activities have occurred in others, many actions recently are well outside the norms.
    Do you except this
    https://www.rebelnews.com/full_video_avi_yemini_arrested_for_journalism_on_australia_day?utm_campaign=ay_arrest_1_28_21&utm_medium=email&utm_source=therebel

    Link from Texan’s J&J Moriaty

    Interesting firearms statistics
    A Big Truth – This truth is so hard for anti-gun sheeple to understand, as someone once said, “I can tell you the truth, but I cannot understand it for you.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE&feature=emb_title

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    Charles Bradley

    I have not tried to verify this, but I remember being told in a history class many decades ago, that the law that admitted Texas into the union gave Texas the option to divide itself into up to five states at any time in the future.

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    John F. Hultquist

    The American usage of “tabled” is not the same as the real English usage countries. Just the opposite.

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    Tilba Tilba

    The first problem with secession (not just Texas – anywhere) is that it is illegal, and has been since the Civil War … Washington and the “union” states simply won’t allow it, and they have most of the money and nearly all the military firepower.

    Secondly, you would want to do a forensic analysis on what Texas derives from the US (both federally and from all the other states), and through international treaties. Texas produces oil and beef, but a huge range of other goods and services would be cut off.

    Thirdly – and probably most importantly – secession doesn’t “work” because in so many states (including Texas) the real divide is within each state, not between states, and not between states and the federal government. The four or five biggest cities in Texas are not majority Republican, and I would expect not very supportive of secession rumblings.

    Not sure there would be huge support among the large Latinx population either.

    I expect a referendum would lose … as Brexit would have had the “real facts” been presented to the people rather than the crazy propaganda from the likes of Nigel Farage.

    And who is behind the referendum push? Just some far-right hot-heads, or is there evidence that there is a groundswell among the majority that the state would be better off out of the Union?

    Having said that, I think it’s critically important that the Biden Administration (and Democrats generally) listen hard to the grievance of Trump voters, and not write them off as redneck losers and nutters.

    There are huge issues out there, and Biden has to be really strategic in covering the field to include the disaffected … a push for a $15 minimum wage, plus changes to Obamacare, are two steps taken already.

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      chrism

      I believe this TT comment is incorrect

      TT look again at the Union agreement
      Tx has an ‘out’ if it so chooses – unlike most other states

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      chrism

      Texas v. White, 74 U.S. (7 Wall.) 700 (1869) is the case people will claim requires consent of the other states

      Brexit has unscrambled that egg, imho

      Secondly Texas v PA, where Tx had ‘no standing’ is fairly strong grounds for Tx ignoring SCOTUS and deciding themselves

      Practically Tx has always been disgruntled with the Union states and it hasn’t received an appropriate hearing by SCOTUS when it reasonably asked for it on a matter of state v state rights : so the largest state in the Union may go its own, way with Fl, Louisiana, Az, Nevada …..

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        Tilba Tilba

        so the largest state in the Union may go its own, way with Fl, Louisiana, Az, Nevada …..

        Alaska is twice as large as Texas. But it doesn’t matter, the Texas legislature will vote down any secession bills. There will be no referendum.

        Why are you mob so obsessed about secession? It totally defies understanding. Do you actually want the US to disintegrate? If so you are all nuts.

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        Tilba Tilba

        In Texas v. White (1869), the Supreme Court ruled unilateral secession unconstitutional

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      Anton

      Farage spoke the truth from beginning to end, unlike his opponents.

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    Richard Jenkins

    I have considered this since the SCOTUS attitude to Texas. I would like states to unite and leave the communists. The blue states like Democrats let them stay USA.
    I thnk swing states will be eager to unite with the red states. The blue states are populated but no great economic loss. Hollywood is easily replaced and conservative stars easily created. Valuable productivity does not come from Blue states. Boeing could relocate. Silicon valley could be replaced with unbiased employees.
    The new union could dispose of visual polution like windmills and solar panels by just removing them when they wear out and that won’t take long. industry neds reliable power. Call it RUN Republican United States. Put prices up on ‘exported ‘ produce and let the communist states pay. The communist states willhave eerything free. Smart companies will emigrate to RUN. RUN will enforce migration laws as per the constitution which will not need many alterations.

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      Tilba Tilba

      As I have noted previously, the issue isn’t red states versus blue states … the social and cultural divides that exist are primarily between Democratic-leaning urban-suburban metropolitan areas, and more conservative less-populated counties, including smaller regional cities.

      There are far more Republican voters in California, Illinois, and NY than there are in many nominally “red” states.

      And there is far more productive wealth in the nominally “red” states than there is in the nominally “blue” ones. Have you ever been through a Boeing factory? They are not going to relocate those facilities!

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        Kalm Keith

        Noted.

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        Tilba Tilba

        That should read:

        And there is far more productive wealth in the nominally “blue” states than there is in the nominally “red” ones …

        I got my red and blue mixed up – it’s the reverse here in Australia.

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        Richard Jenkins

        I visited Boeing in Washington. Parts coming in globally. Easy to relocate and get away from Seattle that has become a nightmare.
        Trump brought considerable manufacturing back to USA. That enabled production to address covid. With Biden thywill leaveUSA again.
        The Biden family invest in China.

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          Tilba Tilba

          Parts coming in globally. Easy to relocate and get away from Seattle that has become a nightmare.

          It would cost perhaps billions to move the Boeing factories from Washington State, notwithstanding where the components come from.

          Anyway, the question is moot – Washington is a blue state, and is not likely to vote to secede. It wouldn’t even vote to hold a referendum on the issue.

          Secession is not legal.

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            Richard Jenkins

            Tiba, the price of 1 747 new dfemliner is far greater than moving Boeing factories and equipment. I said move Boeing because Washington is a blue state that BLM and ANTIFA have spoiled with their Democrat helpers. Seattle has Starbucks but they would move. A once fabulous city now revival San Fran for filth and homelessness. All the disappointing cities are blue. Biden wants to make USA like California. Perhaps he hasn’t been told thatis what he thinks yet!
            He said allowed,” salute the marines”. Joe needs a beeper to warn him between advice and what to say messages.

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              Tilba Tilba

              I don’t believe Boeing could ever make an economic case for moving their Everett or Tacoma plants anywhere else … the cost would be enormous. I suspect Boeing shareholders care very much that Seattle is an unpleasant city.

              Actually, Seattle was (in my view) a pretty ordinary place when we first visited in the 1990s – awful concreted waterfront, grungy city centre, chaotic traffic problems.

              San Francisco OTOH went from wonderful to grungy-awful over the same 20-year period, from our experience.

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        Richard Ilfeld

        You mean except for the one they put in South Carolina?

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          Lucky

          Richard Ilfeld – right.
          Boeing has placed major production, one entire product line, in the S.
          There is no official reason but the decision was released during the “largely peaceful” riots that badly affected the Seattle area.
          And Yes – I have much experience of Boeing factories!

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    another ian

    Would you believe?

    “Islamic Caliphate, China & Iran – Rest on your arms, reversed – the US has a new enemy – The Weather”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/01/islamic-caliphate-china-iran-rest-on-your-arms-reversed-the-us-has-a-new-enemy-the-weather.html

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    another ian

    Moderation again! I wonder if it was “Weather”?

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    Richard Jenkins

    Elections in RUN. Political parties and soliciting votes is banned. Voting is compulsory. Political vaccancies are advertised with job descriptions and skill requirements.
    Ballots list the positions. Constituents write the name and Dob of the person, if any, they would like to represent them.The person whose name appears the most is invited to serve.

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    another ian

    Mods

    I drew the crabs again and a couple of posts have “gone varnish”

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    another ian

    Test post now gone

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      another ian

      Mods

      Thanks – I was just about to test the four likely words individually and see what happened

      And “”Michael Smith” – which this post will do

      [Just remember if the auto filter grabs your comment there is usually someone lurking in the background to retrieve it, unless I’m watching funny cat video’s then it might take a bit longer.]AD

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        another ian

        AD Thanks for all you do and I’ve not yet had a post that needed to be up “just now”.

        But I will test – in the spirit of Pointman’s devil – when it looks like the problem is being inflicted on you. Which was underway there.

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    Tilba Tilba

    From the Daily Beast:

    The bill itself remains unlikely to pass, not least because unilateral secession remains illegal in the United States. (As former Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said, “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede.”)

    And despite [Texas GOP head Allen] West pointing to the idea of secession recently, the bill has also generated pushback within the Texas GOP itself. As Texas GOP Rep. Jeff Leach tweeted at Biedermann earlier this month, Biedermann’s bill “seems like the most anti-American bill I’ve seen in my 4+ terms in the Texas House. It’s a disgrace to the Lone Star State. The very definition of seditious. A true embarrassment. And you should be ashamed of yourself for filing it.”

    It seems that secession is not a solution to America’s problems, not even in Texas. I think such moves reek of Republican desperation – Texas is moving slowly but steadily towards being more liberal, or at least voting Democrat.

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      Richard Jenkins

      Tiba, What’s all this illegal garbage. Democrats actions put USA into a war. Stealing an election is a modern weapon. Lying about it like, “There is no evidence!” is helping the enemy. That is treason. I doubt Biden got 60 million legal votes. D day was more honest. America is at war and the armistice is coming. Conservatives respect laws, communists change them. As states leave many Democrts will realize their socialism does not work and seek emigration to the new Union.

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    Rick

    The latest buzz from around the campfire is that Texas, unlike any other State, was actually an independent nation before it joined the United States and has retained that status as a special exception to other conditions that apply to all other States in the Union.
    Apparently this gives Texas right to simply withdraw pretty much any time they choose.
    Adding to the conundrum is that 17 or so other States joined Texas in its lawsuit against Pennsylvania and the other 5 States that were the subject of an appeal to the Supreme Court over election fraud and illegality.
    If those 17 States decide to join Texas in seceding, they would have standing in doing so based on their support and endorsement of the Texas lawsuit.
    It’s a perfect scenario for the trigger for a civil war and it remains a question as to whether a semi senile old stutterer like Biden would be capable of handling it.

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      another ian

      I’d reckon that, by the time this gets into play, that there will have been so many things non-constitutional that it won’t be a problem

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    Kalm Keith

    Not completely related to this topic but relevant.

    Found this on Facebook.

    “Somebody needs to open an investigation
    into the Democrat Party to find out
    if they have any ties
    To America.

    Laura Ingraham.”

    KK

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    another ian

    Better read IMO

    “The Nemeth Report: A New Global Paradigm”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/01/29/the-nemeth-report-a-new-global-paradigm/

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    As a brit, I did not understand just how chaotic the US voting system is. Compared to the UK system it is wide open to corruption.
    Combined with the concept of private individuals ‘buying’ prosecutors or district attorneys is just unbelievable.
    How do the normal Americans tolerate this?

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      another ian

      Steve

      How do the normal Americans tolerate this?

      Maybe the problem is that they did for too long

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      Tilba Tilba

      As a brit, I did not understand just how chaotic the US voting system is.

      As an Australian, it’s no easier to believe it either.

      One (partial | tangential) reason is that the system was designed that way. The founders invented a new, untried system of government – they were determined not to replicate the ancient systems of Europe that were oppressive, class-riddled, and solely for the benefit of monarchs and aristocrats.

      So they invented a system where (a) there were checks and balances at every stage, (b) government could not be taken over by a dictator, and (c) government was a second-order building block of society … not weak exactly, but one where people’s lives were no dominated by politics and politicians.

      The goal was to let people run their lives – life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness – this was not an empty phrase about motherhood.

      All this worked pretty well, and the US grew enormously (in area, population, wealth, and power) between 1780 and 1880, despite foreign wars, civil war, and much else.

      However despite all the constraints on government, politicians and political parties accrued more and more power – especially the federal government. The wealth and power that derives from being in government or close to government is now so huge that so many areas are thoroughly corrupted by greed, crime, and the complete absence of the moral good the founders assumed (or at least fervently hoped) would be protected.

      It can resolve itself in the next few decades hopefully, without falling into total chaos and dysfunction. It could go socialist or fascist as well.

      There you go – the history of the American experiment in a nutshell!

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    Rocket Rod

    While secession us an amusing notion, peoples votes and referendums count for nothing in reality.
    Texas can’t leave nor can any other state without congressional approval. Period. Like The Eagles song – you can check out any time you want but you can never leave.
    Constitution? Look at what’s happening as far as the 1st & 2nd go. Congress would nullify it all right now if they could get away with it. The USA is toast. Canada has cancelled its currency weeks ago as part of the delusional Great Reset. The EU will be next.
    So if you think starting your own Hutt River Province will work then go for it. You’d be better off waiting for some small country to go bust then buy it.
    2020 – bad. 2021 – worse. 2022 – don’t ask.

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      Tilba Tilba

      Texas can’t leave nor can any other state without congressional approval. Period.

      This is definitely the case. But it’s not even the main reason it won’t happen – I would think in even the reddest red state you wouldn’t get more than 10%-20% of the voting population to support secession, if they are advised of all the consequences.

      If pro-secession forces tried to sell it (as happened in Brexit) that it would all be free beer and pink unicorns on the sunny uplands, then the realist types would need to counter all that with a reality-check.

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        Richard Jenkins

        Tiba, as this USA civil war the Democrat’s election theft declared evolves you know the conditions of the armistice!
        I have thought a bit about it. Federal property will probably become the property of its resident state. Military equipment and personelle will be interesting.
        Perhaps as the overwhelming odds mount and people get honest news the Democrats will just surrender to truth honesty and the American way as first planned.
        The main weapon is the MSM and it should be fought. Plant some honest journalists or set up alternatives. No licence required or authorized by states.
        USA is at war and more than half the population know the MSM are corrupt. There lies are exposed. They never apologize. A schoolboy was even able to sue them and Russia was worse than Hillary’s dossier. A lot has been declassified. Biden could be jailed. Then what? Harris and Pelosi must go for incitement as there is miles of evidence recorded.
        SCOTUS may have to call the election fraud and make Trump POTUS.

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          Tilba Tilba

          A lot has been declassified. Biden could be jailed. Then what? Harris and Pelosi must go for incitement as there is miles of evidence recorded. SCOTUS may have to call the election fraud and make Trump POTUS.

          I’ll buy you a beer of your choice, in any Australian location you choose, if this comes to pass. SCOTUS has no powers to throw out one president and install another.

          Joe Biden owns the DOJ, CIA, FBI, and the military, for as long as he’s president. Who’s going to do all the arresting?

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    Old Goat

    What I think matters here is that most americans now suspect/believe that the election was rigged . Some of those people think that its OK to do this (democrat voters) . When the democrat policies bite them this will change as these policies will steer the USA off a cliff . Climate change policies , gun control , illegal immigration and unfettered spending are a recipe for disaster .

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      Tilba Tilba

      What I think matters here is that most americans now suspect/believe that the election was rigged.

      Do you have a source for this? The last commentary I saw said 70% of Republicans believed the election was fraudulent, while 10% of Democrats thought so.

      It’s hardly surprising that Republicans might believe it … Donald Trump, and most of the media Trump voters are more likely to watch, have been saying so continually since 3 November.

      And for months before the election, Donald Trump said that if he lost the election it would only be because it was rigged. Which is rather a big poke in the eye for democracy … would be interesting to know how many centrist voters resented this and voted for Biden.

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        Kalm Keith

        70, 10.

        That’s 80% of voters!

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          Tilba Tilba

          That’s 80% of voters!

          No … 70% of half is 35%, 10% of half is 5% … so 40% of the total.

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          Richard Jenkins

          Tiba, you know the surveys have all shown most Americans believe the election was rigged. Generaly they find 80% of Republicans. 60 % of uncommited and 40% of Democrats. That quickly becomes 100% of people who are shown the evidence.
          SCOTUS knew that from what they had seen informally.
          That is why they said they could not consider the evidence. “They could not be held responsible for fighting in the streets” is not a lack of ‘legal standing.

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    CHRIS

    I agree that the election was fraudulent…but why have the State/Federal courts thrown this out? Unfortunately, it means 4 years of a Green Trash Democrat government. The opposition must prepare a manifesto to ensure that they are competitive in 2024.

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      Tilba Tilba

      The opposition must prepare a manifesto to ensure that they are competitive in 2024.

      That is the dilemma for the Republican Party … they don’t have a manifesto; they didn’t even have a party platform at their Nominating Convention – they just said, “Whatever Donald Trump wants”.

      That’s no way to run a railroad, especially when a lot of Democrat proposals are very popular. It seems to me that the Republicans want power, but are not that interested in governing.

      The US has truly enormous problems that are not going away … there are untold tens of millions who are definitely not livin’ the dream – in fact many families have gone backwards over the last generation or so.

      It’s not that hard to find the reasons: the accruing of enormous wealth by the top few percent, the “financialisation” of the economy by Wall Street and others, and corporations exporting production and jobs to low-cost countries.

      Will the Republicans recognise these causes, and have policies that might address them? Blaming poor people isn’t the answer.

      Mind you, I don’t the Democrats are hugely better, but they are better.

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    CHRIS

    Tilba… don’t forget that the ‘enormous wealth’ in the USA is now mostly produced by the ‘New Capitalism’ of the Tech giants. The old-world style capitalism is dead and buried. The New Capitalism is quickly getting into bed with the Left and the CCP (ie; Soros, Gates, Zuckerberg et al). As with any form of Capitalism, the ‘New Capitalism’ will eventually die, once total market saturation is reached (although this may take some time: 50 years plus). The Republicans need to face up to this and plan counter-measures, including bringing Wall Street into line (after all, the USA’s troubles have been mainly caused by Gordon Gecko – like greed, for example putting US manufacturing offshore).

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