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Some offer shame and division, Trump offers heroes and unity

Some can inspire others to do great things. Others inspire people to wreck statues.

The NY Times called his speech an effort to “sow division” to “exploit race”.The Washington Post said it’s dark and divisive. The National Review said the reaction was unhinged.  A guy called Roger Kimball argues the Mt Rushmore Speech was the moment Donald Trump won reelection.

So, if you haven’t already, read it yourself, extracts below, or watch it.

President Trump at the 2020 Salute to America

July 4th 2020

“We want free and open debate, not speech codes or cancel culture”— Donald Trump

 Greatest nation on Earth:

Two hundred and forty-four years ago in Philadelphia, the 56 signers of our Declaration of Independence pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to boldly proclaim this eternal truth: that we are all made equal by God.  (Applause.)

Thanks to the courage of those patriots of July 4th, 1776, the American Republic stands today as the greatest, most exceptional, and most virtuous nation in the history of the world.

Our workers, our factories have revolutionized industries and lifted millions into prosperity.  Our artists, architects, and engineers have inspired the globe with transcendent works of beauty.  American heroes defeated the Nazis, dethroned the fascists, toppled the communists, saved American values, upheld American principles, and chased down the terrorists to the very ends of the Earth.  We are now in the process of defeating the radical left, the Marxists, the anarchists, the agitators, the looters, and people who, in many instances, have absolutely no clue what they are doing.  (Applause.)

“The radical ideology attacking our country advances under the banner of Social Justice,” he said. “But in truth, it would demolish both justice and society. It would transform justice into an instrument of division and vengeance, and it would turn our free and inclusive society into a place of repression, domination, and exclusion.” That is as good as anything Friedrich Hayek said about that portmanteau instrument of intimidation and meritless virtue signaling.

We will not allow anyone to divide our citizens by race or color:

Never forget: We are one family and one nation.  This rich heritage belongs to every citizen, young and old, first-generation American and tenth-generation American.  …

This great heritage belongs to citizens of every background and of every walk of life.  No matter our race, color, religion, or creed, we are one America, and we put America first.  (Applause.)  We will not allow anyone to divide our citizens by race or background.  We will not allow them to foment hate, discord, and distrust.  We will hold fast and true to the sacred loyalties that link us all as neighbors, as Americans, and as patriots.

 Our past is not a burden to be cast away:

In every age, there have always been those who seek to lie about the past in order to gain power in the present.  Those that are lying about our history, those who want us to be ashamed of who we are, are not interested in justice or in healing.  Their goal is demolition.  Our goal is not to destroy the greatest structure on Earth, what we have built: The United States of America.  (Applause.)  To build a future — (applause) — where every family is safe, where every child is surrounded by love, where every community has equal opportunity, and every citizen enjoys great and everlasting dignity.

Our past is not a burden to be cast away, it is not a miraculous foundation that will lift us to the next great summit of human endeavor.

 To those that slander the heroes:

Those who would sever those bonds would cut us off from the wisdom, the courage, the love, and the devotion that gave us everything we are today and everything we strive for tomorrow.  We cannot let that happen.  We will not throw away our heroes.  We will honor them, and we will prove worthy of their sacrifice.  (Applause.)  These are great heroes.

Let me also say a word to those in the media who falsely and consistently label their opponents as racists, who condemn patriotic citizens who offer a clear and truthful defense of American unity.  That’s what our people are doing.  We want a clear and faithful defense of American history and we want unity.

When you level these false charges, you not only slander me, you not only slander the American people, but you slander generations of heroes who gave their lives for America.  (Applause.)  You slander people much braver and much more principled than you.  You are slandering the young men who raised the flag at Iwo Jima, and those who perished fighting for freedom in the Civil War.  You slander them.  You are dishonoring their great legacy and their memory by insisting that they fought for racism and they fought for oppression.  They didn’t fight for those things; they fought for the exact opposite.  We will not let the legacy of these heroes be tarnished by you.

The more you lie, the more you slander, the more you try to demean and divide, the more we will work hard to tell the truth.  And we will win.

 If they destroy a statue, he will build two statues:

To celebrate America’s majestic inheritance, yesterday I signed an executive order to create a brand-new monument to our most beloved icons.  The National Garden of American Heroes will be a vast outdoor park that will feature the statues of the greatest Americans who have ever lived.  We will honor extraordinary citizens from every community and from every place and from every part of our nation.  Great men and great women, people that we can look up to forever.

 The whole speech

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140 comments to Some offer shame and division, Trump offers heroes and unity

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    TdeF

    The world watches with disbelief as the left of politics tries to destroy the history of America, denigrate and destroy their heroes and rip up their constitution.
    All with the enthusiastic support of the leaders of the Democrat party, the party which was formed to protect and defend slavery.

    On the base of the Statue of Liberty the poem reads in part

    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

    Now the enemies of America have nothing good to say. And they have control of the Congress.

    It is a scary time when the American Congress has nothing good to say about America. Only Donald Trump stands in their way.

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      Komrade Kuma

      Sorry TdeF but while I agree about the leftard imbeciles trying to wreck the legacy of western civilisation it is greedheaded, egotistical imbeciles like Trump that fire them up when he starts out with stuff like shooting the looters, not calling out the fascist imbecile cops for their gratuitous killings, getting wishy washy when the KKK and such like drive cars into crowds and all but gives Putin and his ilk a blow job. I enjoyed watching him land among the Democrats, US leftard msm and elites in 2016 like a large brick into their precious little beltway fishpond/ swamp and good on him for talking up the US economy and fronting up to China and the NATO cheapskate parasites but then he just opens up his great big ego promoting gob and makes the other side look like they have a point. I suppose the US and the rest of us deserved Trump after the limpwristed, pretty boy dilettante of Obama and the prospect of Slick Hillary as Slick Willie revisited but I have had about enough. Even Sleepy Joe is looking like an answer.

      How the hell the USA can come up with such appalling candidates is beyond me, though we did produce Latham, KRudd, Gillard, Abbot and Malcontent in succession…. All made for media methinks rather than made for anything of substance.

      [This comment hijacks the thread at #1 and baits with namecalling and nil content. Kuma has been asked to raise standards.- Jo

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        GD

        when he [Trump] starts out with stuff like shooting the looters

        He didn’t say that. He merely noted, and warned, that when the looting starts, the shooting starts.

        Since the looting began there have been too many shootings, including killing of children, not by Trump or the government, but by the BLM and other misfits.

        Trump was right to warn, ‘when the looting starts, the shooting starts’.

        Read the tragic facts here.

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          Analitik

          Spot on. The MSM and other leftards chose to misinterpret Trump’s words in the worst manner possible.

          Of course Trump doesn’t help things with his bombastic, self-promoting manner but the left go out of their way to find fault

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            OriginalSteve

            Everyone needs to see this –

            eg-KGB defector explaining how the Liberals are so dangerous in America, and how the marxist takeover of the USA currently in progress will unfold – this was recorded in 1984!

            Its only 9 minutes of video.

            https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/embed/4ICAgonnOwK3tSn

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              MP

              Here is the same dude explaining how its done, you can see it all playing out at the moment.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE&feature=youtu.be

              Its an hour long.

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                MP

                I had hope for the Donald and still do. Look which bank bailed him out of his last bankruptcy. Who he has surrounded himself with. The trillions he has handed to the very people he say’s he is against. (Black Rock)

                But as The Donald is the only one stating the game and not pushing the fear. Many web sites I thought were good continually push the lock down at the expense of everything else and all others, push the fear.

                Have you looked into Black Rock and Vanguard, $30 Trillion a piece. Look at major share holders and how the boards are structured. Basically they are the same company.

                Gates has been disappointed with the response to the Kung Flu, the next one will get our attention according to these two doctors.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQYXDalTlYM&feature=youtu.be

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            oldtk

            Does the truth need a certain presentation? Trump doesn’t blow sunshine up the bowels of the listener.

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          Komrade Kuma

          Well I suppose ‘when the looting starts, the shooting starts’ has an element of fact in it especially in the US, hell the shooting starts there if you approach a police car in your pyjamas or you are African American and the cops pull you over for anything including just being an African American.

          My objection to Trump using that sort of made for Twitter turn of phrase is that it sounds a bit to triumphal, almost celebratory which is just a bit sick frankly and pretty unpresidential. A President getting all gung ho and yeee haaw about his own citizens being shot because some idiots are taking advantage of the turmoil and looting? It did not sound like say ‘those caught looting can be shot by police’ which itself may or may not be lawful to start with. I guess the Yanks have moved along since say Kent State when all you needed to do to get shot was protest.

          It is the sort of thuggish, moronic language you might hear from the Taliban or Al Quaeda, those other well known groups of gun toting, fundamentalist, hillbilly halfwits.

          Now if some of those posting here think that Trump’s turn of phrase was appropriate then that is up to them. That does not mean Sleepy Joe is worth a pinch of pig poo as a candidate but it does say a lot about the state of political discourse with some people.

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        Leo Morgan

        Of all the frothingly ignorant criticisms of Trump, the bromance with Putin allegation is in the top three most absurd.
        Of course, to be perceived as the friend of a nuclear armed nation is a vastly better situation than to be perceived as its enemy.
        Yet President Trump has demanded of (and succeeded in obtaining from) other NATO countries that they increase their military expenditures by billions to contain Russia.
        He has argued against European Nations making themselves dependant upon Russian natural gas exports.
        That he can do that while still being slandered as Putin’s puppet demonstrates either that he is a genius of diplomacy, or that his slanderers are insane. Or both, of course.
        And even if the allegation were true, such a relationship with the democratically elected leader of a multi-party democratic free market nation is hardly a sin compared to the historic fawning of the left upon the genocidal dictators of the defunct Communist regime.

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          Deano

          Leo – your analysis of the Trump/Russia media saga is pure logic. The allegations of election rigging with Russian help are absurd but so many people seem to have never spent just 2 minutes actually thinking these stories through.

          Reminds me of people who claim oil companies buy up all the patents on fuel saving technologies to stop them becoming available. If I were an oil executive, I’d buy them only to fund their development to the max and make sure every car maker used them. Then I could raise the oil price while the average driver didn’t notice any real increase in his weekly fuel bill – all while making reserves of oil last longer!

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        AndyG55

        That would probably be one of the most “Trump Deranged Syndrome” posts I have ever read !

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          Broadie

          That would probably be one of the most “Trump Deranged Syndrome” posts I have ever read !

          Now that is a massive claim! Putting Kuma up against the likes of ‘The Squad’, ‘Pencil Neck’, the Main Scream Media, the entire Australian University Faculties, Drug addled Celebs, even Greta Thunberg is a big ask!

          I just hope Trump survives long enough to appoint another Supreme Court Judge. Someone to apply the US Constitution as written. The danger to our freedoms is not from the ignorance of the likes of Kuma, the threat is from a ruling class selectively using the decadent legal system to destroy dissenting opinions.

          Very few people have the character, personal support, wealth, and determination to survive the litigious forces brought to bear against Trump. There will not be another opportunity to save the freedoms we enjoy under the protection of ‘We the People’, their generosity and their sacrifice.

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            GD

            I just hope Trump survives long enough to appoint another Supreme Court Judge. Someone to apply the US Constitution as written

            Amen to that.

            It is crucial that Trump wins the November election so that he can put in place legislation that will prevent the poisonous left from carrying out their destructive policies.

            His appointments of Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court are a great start. Another appointment would be manna from heaven.

            Give Trump another four years and who knows what he can achieve, so long as his health holds out.

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        Terry

        ‘it is greedheaded, egotistical imbeciles like Trump that fire them up’
        Now that statement deserves a “Neville Chamberlain” award; as much for its puerile naivety as its abject stupidity.

        Maybe if we don’t upset the domestic terrorists (‘fire them up’) they will come for us last?

        Donald Trump is the Winston Churchill of our time. A flawed man perhaps but a man Western Civilisation needs in its corner right now as it faces an existential threat from burgeoning Fascists & Marxists across the globe.

        If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.
        - George Orwell

        That is what Trump is resisting, almost alone.

        Given the dark forces assembled against him, and by extension, against all those that would remain free, he’s probably earned that ego (or at least a little slack from the harsh critics on the sideline).

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          GD

          Donald Trump is the Winston Churchill of our time. A flawed man perhaps but a man Western Civilisation needs in its corner right now as it faces an existential threat from burgeoning Fascists & Marxists across the globe.

          So true!

          ‘A flawed man’, what leader isn’t a flawed man?

          At a party of elites, Churchill was accused of being drunk.

          He replied, ‘yes, Madam, and in the morning I will be sober, but you will still be ugly’.

          Trump could be both the godsend and saviour of Western civilisation.

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        TdeF

        Sorry? I thought the same. Once. It was what I was told, for years on end. I even repeated it. He was a shyster, a tax avoider, a crook with an ego the size of Texas. Then there were contradictions, so I investigated. I was wrong. It was the press spoon feeding me these views. How else can you judge someone when you live half a world away except by what you are told.

        It is what the media wanted you to think.

        Now look again at the man. Reread the speech. Read what he has said and look again at what he has done. Judge for yourself and consider you have been misled. Stay objective. And you will discover a very different person. He certainly didn’t need the job. Even the White House is a step down in accomodation. And he didn’t need Air Force One. And despite being head of Miss America for twenty years, no one is alleging anything. Nor his three wives. Just compare for a second with Bill Clinton, slick Willy and lock her up Hilary.

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        Yonniestone

        LOL America was formed with a war of independence against a system that repressed freedoms for its people, Trump is trying to retain those freedoms and your whining about people using force against the violent actions of those that want to remove them?

        FFS grow a pair and stand up for whats right, the time for talk is over action is needed while you still have the capability!

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        Craig Strange

        When you say ‘Trump’, what you really should be saying is the Propaganda Press, who mischaracterizes everything he says

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      Bill In Oz

      TdeF We will all see what the American people think of their President in November. That’s when the USA elections will happen.
      I’m Australian. I’m reluctant to voice a view but frankly US politics seem bizarre to me.
      So I am glad it is not my problem. It is the American people’s problem to sort out. And to ALL of them I say “You are facing difficult times, Good luck”:.

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        RicDre

        “… frankly US politics seem bizarre to me.”

        They often seem bizarre to me also and I live in the US. Perhaps part of the reason is our politics are so noisy and often very bitter. However, be aware that even if your politics are quieter and more restrained that does not mean that they are immune to the political forces current trying to undermine the US. We may be the first political domino to fall to the left but we are unlikely to be the only one that falls.

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          Unfortunately US politics is our problem too.

          Not only do we depend on the US defense force to save us, should war ever break out, but our politics follows theirs. The poisonous trends of US politics are on the way here and in the “lucky bubble downunder” we are sitting ducks.

          If the US with Trump as President can’t defeat the toxic political ploy that cancel-culture is, then we are just a few steps behind.

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            David A

            Jo, that is exactly why the statist have gone after the US so desperately, for so long. The US Republic is unique with a constitution specifically designed with the goal of preventing any form of group power from becoming tyrannical. ( The right to be left alone)

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              Russ Wood

              I’ve always admired the fact that their Bill Of Rights (compared to other country’s) specifically sets out all of the things that the STATE CANNOT DO TO YOU! South Africa’s ‘rights’ sets out all of the things that the State must do FOR its citizens (without saying just WHO is going to pay for it all). ‘Free everything’ is a great way to get an ill-educated citzenry voting for Socialist government – but doesn’t do much for individuals.

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    If it were not for the Reserve Currency Status in the monetary system, nobody today would really care.
    But this power over your money from turning to toilet paper in value is the only power that the US currently has.

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        Orson

        And leading economy (see geopolitical strategist Peter Zeihan for informed “seer-ship”).

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        Jojodogfacedboy

        That maybe so in equipment and manpower but they have fallen behind trying to keep it functioning. Aircraft carriers are classed as coffin carriers as new technology has made them obsolete to attack by missiles, drones or latest torpedo. The new Jet fighters should have been scrapped. They are that bad in defects.
        As the US became superior in the air with satellites and increasing and maintaining old ships and equipment, they forgotten under the sea. Where other countries now have the advantage through new technology. No need to use the human frail bodies anymore to control the machinery and limit its ability.

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          Jojodogfacedboy

          I was in the Canadian Military for 4 years with peacekeeping tours back in the early 1980s.

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            David A

            How is that cogent to your prior comment regarding US military capacity beneath the ocean surface?

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          robert rosicka

          How come when the US sails a battle group and carrier past the disputed islands the Chinese suddenly go on holidays ?
          From what I’ve seen the Yanks only worry about what they think is a threat .

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    Richard Ilfeld

    If you doubted TDS was a real illness, listen to the entire Trump speech, then read the comments. I thought it quite good, the delivery only OK, the setting wonderful,but the performance startlingly good considering the stress the man must have been enduring these past few months.

    We have a couple of generations of snowflakes educated eading Howard Zinn’s trash directed by over-certified under-qualified lard-assed civil servants useless in the real economy.

    Post COVID, we may well not be able to afford the share of our capacity that has been parasitic/harmful as ‘activitistas’, getting their kicks throwing sand into the gears and getting paid for it. The $15/barista may not be around either. Wonder how these folks will feel if they have to earn a living, once they get over their initial tantrums over the basic unfairness of the world of work that doen’t immediately recognise their superiority.

    Will they still go home after a day of real work and watch and listen to these clowns, or will lives built on values make more sense? Just as there are few pacificists in a foxhole, there aren’t many of these young folks in a competitive world who will say “no, my work doesn’t matter, give my job to a deserving minority”

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      GD

      I thought it quite good, the delivery only OK, the setting wonderful, but the performance startlingly good considering the stress the man must have been enduring these past few months

      An excellent appraisal.

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        Jojodogfacedboy

        His whole Presidency has been a massive media and political circus from the Democrats not letting him govern properly. A constant battle after another by politicians.

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          Orson

          The Deep State zeal for Power after two decades of mega-trillion dollar emergency spending, secure sinecures, and hatred of the People, is powerful poison. The re-clamation of the instruments of law making and bureaucratic noblesse is very much in doubt.

          No one seriously doubts that a two term Trump can successfully reform the US government. Stare them down, steer it away, sure. But secure some freely elected future? No.

          So, who next? Don, Jr (Donald’s conscience)? Maybe another outsider, FNC leading voice Tucker Carlson?

          I wish we knew.

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        TedM

        I thought so too.

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      nightspore

      No other politician I have seen in my lifetime has put up with the sustained attacks that he has. (The only comparable case I can think of is Margaret Thatcher – who stood down out-of-control unions and survived an IRA attack.)

      Certainly no other contemporary American politician could have weathered the storms of the past 4 years (any of them, let alone all).

      Perhaps his greatest achievement is blowing the cover of the Left (which has now emerged like John Carpenter’s The Thing) before it had a chance to dominate the country completely.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    It is a bit strange that the media were critical of the role of faith in the history of America. Clearly they are religious people, believing as they do in the modern re-creation of the miracle of Passover, as Covid completely ignored hose engaged in rightous protest in the streets whilst infecting those not social distancing properly elsewhere.

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    David Maddison

    President Trump is a hero and the only defender of Western Civilisation who is leader of a major power.

    If he doesn’t win the next election, plus have a suitable replacement after his second term, it is the end of our Civilisation and it is the Left who will have destroyed it.

    If the US and Western Civilisation survive the present war against it, then Trump should be honoured with his likeness at Mt Rushmore to compliment the other presidents whose likenesses were chosen because they represented the nation’s birth, growth, development and preservation. He can be added because he saved America from certain destruction by internal and external enemies.

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      truth

      We are in extreme peril if Trump is not re-elected…and IMO it would not be safe for Australia to be in alliance with a Democrat-led US with that party in its present lawless destructive anti-American….post-truth…post-democracy form.

      So many young Australians have absolutely no concept of how much Australia and the rest of the democratic world owe to America…..a debt that can never be fully repaid because so many ordinary American families lost and continue to lose ..their precious children in the cause of peace …not just for America but for the whole world …even for populations that express nothing but hatred for them.

      Jo’s previous blog on social science is particularly relevant to all of this mindless mayhem.

      Rebecca Huntley’s a poster child for the baleful …human life-damaging effect Social Science has had on Australia …America and the world…..her discipline’s the root cause IMO of most of the problems we have today …the education debacle…the unhappy confused indoctrinated children turned into fodder for mass hysteria… the demonization of the nuclear family…the extreme cowardice and ultimate death wish of big business in the face of Leftist-organised political activist shareholders….the domination of the whole fabric of Australia and America and the West by left wing journalists drunk with their power to destroy governments …and with zero respect for the people’s ‘right to know’….the extreme gullibility that’s been engendered by all of this assault …inanity that endorses and even begs for …… the killing of our children’s future to obey a rancidly hypocritical and sinister foreign diktat that’s for Global Socialist Control…-nothing to do with the environment … atmosphere and survival of the planet…some of its officials having happily provided that disclaimer in their own unambiguous words.

      Sociologists …..always herders of people….lusting for the prestige they felt the natural scientists had …but should be their own due …without requirement to do the years of work natural scientists do to gain the high knowledge required …decided to find a new means to their Socialist ends….and so was born the claim that a functioning state must have a common external enemy against whom the people would unite as they must if they were to be ‘persuaded’ to do within their country what the Socialist gnomes of Europe have decided the world must do …ie weaken and cripple their own countries to make way for relinquishment of sovereignty for installation of Global Socialist control.

      ‘We came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill ’, the herders of people at the Club of Rome explained.

      And with that the CAGW hysteria was born and the world destabilized…turned inside out …chaos built on lies and propaganda…Socialist Left journalists in almost total overarching control of the narrative and everything else including the institutions…engendering the general mayhem and fear that Socialism always must incite in order to achieve its murderous ends.

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    Reed Coray

    Yesterday on his radio program Rush Limbaugh hit the nail on the head. Rush was talking about how the main-stream media reported that President Trump’s Mount Rushmore speed was “divisive.” Rush couldn’t believe how the actions of the left aren’t considered divisive, but President Trumps’s speech is. He correctly pointed out that if there are any divisive actions/speeches being promulgated, they come from those who are tearing down/defacing US monuments long regarded as almost being sacred–all in the name of one of the most, if not the most, divisive facets of society, racism. Think about that for a moment. The left believes that toppling a statue of say Thomas Jefferson is not divisive, but making a speech deploring such action is. I know it’s hard to believe, but the left couldn’t be more wrong.

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      AndyG55

      So true,

      There is only one side of politics fomenting trouble and pushing division within society.

      That is the far left Democrats and their MSM lapdogs.

      BLM is probably the most racist group of thugs their is in Western civilisation, full of hatred for ordinary people.

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      Serge Wright

      That is the modus-operandi of the left. They create division and then obfuscate their own actions by accusing their opponents of committing the crime that they committed. The best example is their claim of the threat of white supremacy while we watch buildings burnt to the ground, sections of cities being captured and innocent people being shot by left-wing facists, without a white supremacist in sight.

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      Analitik

      Yes, it is ironic that those with the most “inclusive” agenda (BLM, LGBTQ… equality, indigenous rights, immigrant rights, “religion of peace”, etc) are the most divisive elements of our society. The only hope (short of conservative affirmative action as a defensive response) is that the separate elements of the left marginalize themselves and begin squabbling over who’s group is the most righteous and downtrodden

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      Reed Coray

      Here’s another way to describe the situation. A family member enters your house and throws oil all over the walls. You call a family meeting during which you condemn that action and announce that you won’t tolerate such behavior, and you plan to take steps to prevent further similar actions. The main-stream press prints an editorial claiming your condemnation/announcement is more divisive to your family than the “oil throwing.” You may not believe this, but when I proof-read my comment I laughed. How ridiculous, misguided, arrogant, and just plain stupid can anyone be who would give even one iota of credence to that editorial?

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    PeterS

    Trump must be feeling on his shoulders the whole weight of what’s left of Western civilisation, warts and all. All other Western leaders have given up fighting the far left and are in an appeasement mode or in support of them. What really scares me is what will happen when Trump is no longer POTUS, be it soon or later. If he is not replaced by someone else who is of an even stronger character and in no uncertain terms makes an even stronger effort to stand for and support the original intent and nature of Western civilisation as it was intended to be as distinct from what it has decayed to be today then the current slow march to some chaotic existence will increase in speed to a mad rush. Trump has tried to fix things but is failing in many respects as he lacks the power and authority to defeat the many attackers of the West from within who are slowly but surely destroying it. We have many of our own here busy doing just that and we have many who are good people who are appeasers. In other words, evil prevails even when good men and women do very little or nothing. A 5th column is alive and growing in power and influence everywhere. In Australia it started with the ABC a long time ago. No one is prepared to tear it down and it’s probably too late anyway as the cancer has already spread much like a bacteria growth in a petri dish. It should have been cleaned out a long time ago.

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    el gordo

    I’m having trouble with this…

    ‘ … most exceptional, and most virtuous nation in the history of the world.’

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      PeterS

      It used to be. It can be turned around but it would require someone with a lot more power than Trump.

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        el gordo

        Putting aside how the US was built on the backs of slaves, WW2 made beasts of us all. The European theatre had come to an end and the US was carpet bombing Japan, and the USSR was making its move to snaffle it.

        It was immoral to use weapons of mass destruction on innocents to stop the communist advance. Good strategy, but they could have exploded them about ten miles offshore and achieved the same result.

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          Yonniestone

          Wrong el gordo, Japan was under the rule of an Emperor considered a God by the people, it took two explosions over cities to convince the leaders to surrender such was the fanatical power of the regime, it was a completely different time and people compared to today.

          WW2 made beasts of us all, yes and what war doesn’t?

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            el gordo

            ‘ … it took two explosions over cities to convince the leaders to surrender …’

            Carpet bombing wasn’t working fast enough and the Ruskies were coming.

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          Chad

          el gordo
          July 8, 2020 at 8:53 am · Reply
          Putting aside how the US was built on the backs of slaves, WW2 made beasts of us all. The European theatre had come to an end and the US was carpet bombing Japan, and the USSR was making its move to snaffle it.

          It was immoral to use weapons of mass destruction on innocents to stop the communist advance. Good strategy, but they could have exploded them about ten miles offshore and achieved the same result

          ..?? I am struggling to think of a nation that was not “built on the backs of slaves “?
          Even Australia was initially built using slave convict labour.!
          You are a misguided, miss informed fool if you think that Japan would have surrendered as the result of a offshore detonation … you obviously do not understand what the Japanese culture and mentality was with respect to battle and surrender.
          You are judging the situation by your own values.
          Japan was certainly already beaten and defeated before the bombs, but they needed that final sword to the heart before they would stop fighting.

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            David Wojick

            Plus two bombs was all we had.

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              RicDre

              According to the article below we had four; one used in the Trinity test, the two that were dropped on Japan and a fourth one that was built but not delivered to the Pacific because of the Japanese surrender on August 15, 1945. There were no more bombs scheduled to be available until September, 1945.

              https://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_atomic_bombs_did_the_US_have_in_1945

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                WXcycles

                As I remember there were 6,000 fission and fusion bombs by 1956, and a bit over 27,000 of them in 1967. So the boffins certainly ramped-up enrichment and Pu breeding fast after Trinity was successful. There have been several books written which examined the proposition of staging a demonstration of the bomb’s power — rather than to attack with it. There were many problems with that, and it was in the end a proposition coming from the scientists, not from the military and political branch. One of the problems being that the first attack weapon used, at Hiroshima, had never been tested. Staging a demonstration with that was very risky, it may be a dud. And in the end there was a city with weapon factories churning out deadly munitions, every day and a mainland invasion seemed needed to completely collapse the Japanese military and will to fight. Another problem was it could be dismissed by Japanese propaganda if there was no damage inflicted.

                Plus the US (and western allies in general) needed an undeniable combat ‘test’, as much as to have an objective destroyed. It was considered more important as a demonstration to Stalin and Russian forces in Eastern Europe, not to get any funny ideas about taking more, than as a demonstration to the Japanese people, which was already defeated in all but formality.

                Plus the initial ‘test’ use of it was meant to be against Hitler, but conventional attacks ended the war against Germany too fast to do it there. But the Russians still had to be put on notice to make sure that hostilities and WWII really would cease.

                But as soon as the Russian communists tested a copy of the US a-bomb in 1948, they almost immediately began to prepare the invasion of South Korea with direct but deniable covert involvement by both communist Russian Soviet and communist Chinese forces backing the invasion.

                So the combat use demonstration in Japan probably did put a final end to WWII in Europe for the Russians. And this was considered a key objective at the time, to convince the Russians they could never win and would loose everything in the process.

                So it’s not just in Japan where western Allied forces and civilian lives were preserved at the expense of Japanese military and civilian lives. And no one was much interested in preserving either of those, at that time either, and for good reason. So collective punishment was the result of a total war, in which very few civilians were being spared, anywhere. The civilian deaths in WWI vastly outstripped the military dead and wounded. Why should Hiroshima and Nagasaki be any different?

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                el gordo

                ‘Plus the initial ‘test’ use of it was meant to be against Hitler.’

                I don’t think they would have tested it in Europe.

                ‘Why should Hiroshima and Nagasaki be any different?’

                There is no doubt they wanted to bring the Pacific war to a quick end and save lives, so they wouldn’t have asked Albert Einstein for his opinion on this moral dilemma.

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                el gordo

                They didn’t have to rush and drop the A-Bombs, the USSR had already chosen what they wanted.

                ‘As agreed at Yalta, the Soviet Union had intervened in the war with Japan within three months of the German surrender, and they were therefore entitled to annex the territories of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands and also to preeminent interests over Port Arthur and Dalian, with its strategic rail connections, via the China Changchun Railway, a company owned jointly by China and the Soviet Union that operated all the railways of the former Manchukuo.

                The annexation of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands is of great importance as the Sea of Okhotsk consequently became an USSR inland sea. This continues to have great strategic benefit to Russia.’ wiki

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                WXcycles

                ‘Plus the initial ‘test’ use of it was meant to be against Hitler.’

                I don’t think they would have tested it in Europe.

                That was the understanding and plan for the first use from the beginning. They were going to do that in Germany.

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                WXcycles

                They didn’t have to rush and drop the A-Bombs, the USSR had already chosen what they wanted.

                Not correct, the fact is making the Russians give up any ideas of taking all of Western Europe was a major concern after VE Day (or did you forget the falsehood and duplicity of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? What the Soviets said they would do, and what they actually did, were not the same thing. Same for Germany. No one really trusted Yalta agreements based on conventional forces capabilities.

                That aspect of deterring the Russians in Europe is historical fact, and it was analysed and discussed at length in the months leading up to Hiroshima, and there was a clear line of thought that the A-bomb be used ASAP (and it absolutely was a rush, you should read about the transit to Tinian Is), to consolidate the end of combat in Europe. The Hiroshima attack was considered highly desirable and justifiable on those grounds alone, and it was actually a part of the US political and military calculus with regard to how, when and where to use the first A-bomb in combat, to make sure the war finally ended.

                WWII actually began in 1933 within China and Korea, due Japan (which produced the sanctions that led to Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima), and also with Italian forces operating in North Africa. It only began for the Anglo world during late 1939. WWII had actually been a 12 years long period of many wars, and everyone wanted to make sure it ended with a sustained decisive and definitive global period of peace, and recovery.

                The A-bomb’s first combat use was very much about making Stalin resolve to avoid further war in Europe, as it was to end the War in the Pacific. In fact military and political leaders in the US at that time were not convinced at all that it would end the war with Japan in the unconditional surrender demanded.

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              Another Ian

              Have a read of

              James D. Hornfischer’s “America at total war in the Pacific 1944-1945: the fleet at flood tide”

              This outlines the changes in thinking brought on by the mass suicides in the capture of the Marianas on estimates of the likely casualties of an invasion of Japan.

              IIRC it mentions that the makings of the 4th bomb went to the Marianas and then came back.

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              robert rosicka

              David I had no idea the Yanks actually lost a nuke in 1958 and to this day it has not been recovered .

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            el gordo

            ‘Even Australia was initially built using slave convict labour.!’

            Slavery was the norm for thousands of years, but Australian convicts were only semi-slaves.

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              Chad

              el gordo
              July 8, 2020 at 3:56 pm ·

              Slavery was the norm for thousands of years, but Australian convicts were only semi-slaves

              “ semi-slaves” ?
              They wore chains and shackles..
              They were forced to labour unpaid..
              Trivial indescresions were harshly punished by floggings and even death.
              They were mostly denyed any return to their home countrys
              Your definition is splitting a very fine hair !

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            PETER

            Let me remind you all, Japan did not surrender because of the two A bombs, it was quite prepared to keep fighting, as thanks to the Soviets sharing intelligence with Japan throughout the Pacific war, Japan was fully aware of the Manhattan Project, (note that Australian unions controlled by Moscow Center, did their best to disrupt / weaken, the war effort against Japan and destroy or steal much needed military equipment when they could, as Stalin clearly wanted to make the Pacific war last as long as possible so that they could profit from that).

            In fact the Japanese were trying to negotiate a conditional surrender with the allies using the Soviets as intermediaries but Stalin was determined that this should not happen before he was in a position to take advantage of the end of the war in the Pacific.

            The Japanese did not think that (based on their two A bomb projects Army and Navy) the allies would be sucessful in producing a fission weapon, but that if they did they would only have one or two.

            They were happy to accept the casualties those weapons would cause as overall a small number of nuclear strikes would not be a significant setback compared to the massive damage they were enduring from conventional attacks.

            The death tolls in Hiroshima and Nagasaki on the day, were in individual terms significantly smaller than the conventional fire bombing raids on Tokyo and other Japanese citys, the real difference lay in the fact that not a single allied airman died on the B29′s dropping the bombs as opposed to considerable losses in the conventional raids.

            The real reason that Japan surrendered when it did was the Soviet declaration of war, this was critical as the Japanese still hoped to obtain negotiated concessions from the Americans by the stratagy of causing unnaceptably high casualties to them in operation Olympic, or prior to the implementation of the operation.

            When the Soviets entered the war that destroyed the rational to continue with their strategy of attrition as based their prior experience at war with the Soviets they would not be deterred by high levels of casualties, and therefore the strategy which they thought might have worked against the Americans would not work against the Soviets, (note the Americans had to bribe Stalin to honour his prior commitment with vast gold payments and huge quantities of war materials, in addition to the huge quantities of Lend Lease material already supplied which included amongst everything else, the plans for nuclear reactors, large quantities of Canadian uranium, and the equipment to enrich uranium, including huge quantities of aluminium tubes to use in the centrifuge process, ever wonder how the Soviets produced a fission weapon so quickly ?).

            On top of all this the Japanese were preparing to initiate nuclear strikes against large west coast U.S cities, with radiation bombs, whilst they had not been sucessful in producing fission weapons they had produced radiation bombs and planned to kill large numbers of U.S civilians by radiation poisioning.

            Surprised ?, they had already done the reconnisance flights from I400 class subs, which carried two floatplanes each, over U.S cities, all they needed was additional enriched uranium from Germany, the navy stocks being produced from uranium mines at Fukushima, (familiar name that), (the Army nuclear weapons research center was near their uranium source in northern Korea and the Soviets made this a priority target after the Soviet attack) being insuficient for the task, with the stocks from Germany they could proceed to produce the bombs for the attack and load the subs with these new weapons and the aircraft to carry them.

            Germany sold Japan its considerable stocks of enriched uranium in addition to quantaties of high tech military equipment and plans which was loaded on a converted minelaying U Boat and shipped to Japan, however the German surrender came while the U Boat was still in the Atlantic and the captain decided to surrender to american ships rather than continue to Japan.

            Had Germany held out for a couple more months it is possible that the U.S would have been the first to suffer nuclear strikes.

            Pete

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          Lance

          @ el gordo

          The First “slave owner” in North America was a Black Angolan named Anthony Johnson. His Slave was a Black man named John Casor. In a British Court in the British Colony of Virginia, it was deemed lawful that Mr. Casor was a Slave for Life in 1655. This court case, at record in links below, was the legal basis of slavery in the US colonies until 1808 when slavery was outlawed as a matter of colonial law, further on, in US Congress, by the 13th Amendment to the US Constitution, slavery was outlawed by the US Senate on April 8, 1864, and by the House on January 31, 1865.

          Mods/ Ad Rem, text/links from public sources. Accurate as far as known to me.

          Anthony Johnson

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)

          Anthony Johnson (b. c. 1600 – d. 1670) was a black Angolan known for achieving freedom and wealth in the early 17th-century Colony of Virginia.He was one of the first African American property owners and had his right to legally own a slave recognized by the Virginia courts.

          https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/did-you-know-the-first-legal-slave-owner-in-america-was-black/

          Johnson was captured in his native Angola by an enemy tribe and sold to Arab (Muslim) slave traders. He was eventually sold as an indentured servant to a merchant working for the Virginia Company.

          Sometime after 1635, Antonio and Mary gained their freedom from indenture. Antonio changed his name to Anthony Johnson.

          In 1651 Anthony Johnson owned 250 acres, and the services of four white and one black indentured servants. The black indentured servant John Casor (Casar, Cazarao and Corsala) demanded that Johnson release him after his seven years of indenture.

          The courts ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson and declared John Casor his property in 1655. Casor became the first person of African descent in Britain’s Thirteen Colonies to be declared as a slave for life as the result of Johnson’s civil suit.

          Court Ruling
          https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Court_Ruling_on_Anthony_Johnson_and_His_Servant_1655

          Info

          https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/johnson-anthony-1670/

          https://www.facinghistory.org/reconstruction-era/anthony-johnson-man-control-his-own

          https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/horrible-fate-john-casor-180962352/

          Anthony Johnson served out his contract and went on to run his own tobacco farm and hold his own indentured servants, among them Casor. At this time, the colony of Virginia had very few black people in it: Johnson was one of the original 20.

          After a disagreement about whether or not Casor’s contract was lapsed, a court ruled in favor of Johnson and Casor saw the status of his indenture turn into slavery, where he—not his contract—was considered property. Casor claimed that he had served his indenture of “seaven or Eight years” and seven more years on top of that. The court sided with Johnson, who claimed that Casor was his slave for life.

          So Casor became the first person to be arbitrarily declared a slave for life in the U.S. (An earlier case had ended with a man named John Punch being declared a slave for life as a punishment for trying to escape his indentured servitude. His fellow escapees, who were white, were not punished in this way.) Of course, as Wesleyan University notes, “the Transatlantic slave trade from Africa to the Americas had been around for over a century already, originating around 1500.” Slaves, usually captured and sold by other African tribes, were transported across the Atlantic to the Americas, the university’s blog notes. Around 11 million people were transported from 1500 to 1850, mostly to Brazil and the Caribbean islands. If they arrived in America, originally they became indentured servants; if they arrived elsewhere, they became slaves.

          “About seven years later, Virginia made this practice legal for everyone, in 1661, by making it state law for any free white, black or Indian to be able to own slaves, along with indentured servants,” Kyl writes. The step from there to a racialized idea of slavery wasn’t a huge one, she writes, and by the time Johnson died in 1670, his race was used to justify giving his plantation to a white man rather than Johnson’s children by his wife, Mary. He was “not a citizen of the colony,” a judge ruled, because he was black.

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          ghl

          Well Gordo, they certainly could have put the first one off-shore. Shame they did not think that way.

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        el gordo

        Then there is ‘most exceptional’, which requires more reading.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

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        TdeF

        Again I blame the media. The America I have known is one of great opportunity, equality and achievement. Unparalled in human history.

        The pacifist US was a very reluctant entrant in both world wars and today we and most of the world depend on their defence for the longest period of peace in human history. At their great cost. In a missile based nuclear world, most cities could be wiped off the map in 20 minutes. All it would take is the threat. And our diesel submarines would be useless. As in WWII, only the US stands in the path of a world dictatorship.

        And America is not one country any more than Europe is one country. It is a Federation of states like Australia. Most power rests with the States. The America we know Federated to have strength with a common border, common currency and speak with a single English voice on trade and defence. Everything else is under State, even city control, as in Australia and especially in the Wu Flu crisis. America is the place Europe wishes it was, but it was created by massive European migration and that only recently, the Gold rush as in Australia. Then the 1860s wars which ravaged Europe. And the aftermath of two world wars and the rise of communism and socialism which still threaten European nations.

        So Trump is right. Make America Great again. And Trump’s opponents want to rip it all down.

        As for the ancient slave trade and justice, that is history. America has had a two term Black President and black people in every senior role from Secretary of State to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Black judges on the supreme court and black mayors in most of the cities. Consider though that in the democracy which is the US, black people represent only 13% of the population. Singer Kanye West said it best, a black President for eight years and blacks are worse off.

        One of the amusing parts of the creation of America was Noah Webster, a teacher of English to migrants. He found British spelling was unteachable, so he created his own dictionary and colour became color. Theatre became theater. And by the way, aluminium in the US is spelled aluminum.

        And I cannot believe not just the total lack of respect for the man, the President of the United States, but the daily open personal vitriol against Trump, his wife, his children. There is nothing which has not been said, no insult or degrading commment which has not been made. I have never heard anything like it and it is relentless. I cannot believe he doesn’t just throw in the towel, as they want him to do. But clearly he is a man on a real mission with great self belief and total determination. And he needs every bit of it to survive and succeed. And the more he succeeds, the more his opponents fume, even inside the Republican party and now even the military who seemingly want endless war.

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        el gordo

        The position of POTUS is not what it was, but let us get to the chase…. American Exceptionalism is out of date in the new world order.

        The first is that the history of the United States is inherently different from that of other nations.
        Second is the idea that the US has a unique mission to transform the world.
        Third is the sense that the United States’ history and mission give it a superiority over other nations.

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          <<The first is that the history of the United States is inherently different from that of other nations.>>

          America is much YOUNGER than almost all other nations! It’s history is entirely different in almost all respects. Granted, America will fall to the ill of the leftists (i.e., Social Communists), just as every other country has in history, so ya got me there.

          <<Second is the idea that the US has a unique mission to transform the world.>>

          I agree, except for that fact that WWI & WWII happened. It’s pacifist role was forever changed by both of those wars. America’s focus on Individual Freedom coming together for the Greater Good (Nationalism!), showed the world how powerful REAL FREEDOM is! Ever since, it’s been the left’s(i.e, Social Communists) mission to tear it down. But make no mistake: America was FORCED INTO THE ROLE OF “Transforming the world.” I’m sure every American today would agree that we’d have rather not needed to solve the world’s Sovereignty Problems of the 20th Century. No wonder USA came out of the WWII arena with pumped up confidence of its “role” in the world, having to literally transform (rebuild) Germany AND Japan!

          <<Third is the sense that the United States’ history and mission give it a superiority over other nations.>>

          America’s brand of Freedom (as defined in its Constitution) is certainly superior to all other nations. It’s the only way a country can go from Zero to World Power in less than 200 years. And once again, the left (i.e., Social Communists) is working hard to destroy Constitution. I’m sure you’re happy about that, and see Trump as a major obstacle. I see Trump as the Savior of Freedom, if not the Savior of Western Civilization.

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            el gordo

            I’m happy to acknowledge that America, with the support of Enlightenment philosophy, was the first country to get democracy rolling. So they get full marks for that.

            Also their entry into both world wars was one of reluctance, isolationism was their preferred option and they wanted nothing to do with petty European wars. Credit to them for saving us from the fascists.

            After WW1 the reparation demands of the victorious allies eventually created Hitler, so it made more sense after WW2 to make Japan and Germany allies without reparations.

            The US no longer has the heart to be world policeman and I can’t blame them.

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      Orson

      The far Left (standard Left today) in the US can be summed up by two themes: the Big Lie and psychological projection. This Trump speech is paradigmatic of this vile mindset.

      The first was perfected by Josef Goebbels, the Nazi Minister of Propaganda who was attached to Hitler’s hip. But projection is poisonous, weak, nearly psychotic level disowning of internal affects hated within and therefore imagined upon others – in this case, their enemy Trump and his army of Deplorables (and myself among them). (Search drsanity.com for quick lesson in this strange ego defense.)

      Ugly, fugly stuff.

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    Serge Wright

    I watched the speech live and thought it was by far his best speech of his presidency. Choosing to do the speech at Mt Rushmore, standing below the historical monuments to the great leaders carved into the rock was very clever, as it was a call to unite against the left wing militants whose goal is to erase history and destroy monuments. It was also a teasing bait to the militants to try and deface this greatest monument and symbol of freedom and democracy.

    The post coverage of Trump’s speech by the left-wing media was also predictable, calling it racist and divisive. This reaction is exactly what Trump was looking for, as it sends out a message that the radical left wing media and their Democrat partners in crime, stand against the values and foundations of US society, making this an us versus them contest and a rally cry to the masses. To win this war, Trump needs to maintain the momentum and keep hammering home this message for the next 4 months. He needs to paint his opponents as enemies of freedom and democracy and unite the masses to rally against this threat.

    If Trump fails to win and we end up with a Biden victory, it’s obvious that Biden will be removed on grounds of mental impairment and replaced by a radical lefty who would be otherwise unelectable. This Biden strategy is still a long shot but is very scary considering the potential outcome, which would be a shift towards radical left wing socialism and the likely cancellation of conservative ideology as we see in our MSM and institutions. This would also have a cascade effect on all western democracies, especially those with conservative leaders, such as ourselves. The importance of a Trump win cannot be overstated.

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      Terry

      ‘…especially those with conservative leaders, such as ourselves.’

      Where are you from? Here in Australia, there is no conservative leadership at all (unless you include some voices from the backbench).

      ScoMo and his “team” (from marketing) are remarkable only because their fellow Lefties from the other side of the uniparty would have been much, much worse. So, the old LINO: “but we’re not quite as bad as…” strategy.

      They are not conservative, nor libertarian, they are centre-left at best and not a small part of why we continue our backward slide; just not quite as fast as had Shorten or Albo been given the keys to drive our bus over the cliff.

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        David Maddison

        Well said Terry and I fully agree. SloMo is an enormous disappointment and the absolute best thing I could say about him is that he’s slightly less bad than Turnbull or Shorten would have been.

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          Dennis

          You must have missed the article by Christopher Pyne in The Weekend Australian Magazine recently, he made it very clear that PM Morrison is not one of the LINO (Liberals In Name Only) Black Hand Faction of Turnbull side people.

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        TdeF

        Morrison was a surprise, especially to his backer Turnbull who broke with all tradition to make sure Dutton did not get the job. Only to find Morrison won the unwinnable election by a mile. The desire for sense and conservative values is so strong. And he has been a steady pilot. Wrong about everything to do with the Wu Flu but otherwise the same steady person who made Abbott’s boat solution work, against every media opinion. And he is a conservative, middle of the roader and has countered the extreme left like a wall.

        The real loss to Australia was the loss of Tony Abbott, the most qualified and passionate conservative leader in modern Australian history. I can only hope he has not left politics forever, destroyed by his betrayal by Turnbull and Bishop and smug Christopher Pyne, the Black Hand and the very new MPs which Abbott had created. There seems to be no gratitude in politics. And I hope the Never Trumpers do not bring down Trump from inside, the likes of Flake and Ryan and especially Mitt Romney.

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          Terry

          Abbott is needed to clean out the rotten house of NSW Libs.

          Without fixing that first, no Conservative/Libertarian can make a difference at State or Federal level without being white-anted by globalist wets.

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        Serge Wright

        ScoMo is naturally conservative, but is playing politics to appease the media after seeing what happened to Abbott. The problem with this approach is that you will never win, because your opponents gain more endorsement by these actions. Trump’s method to call out the hidden agenda and go on the attack is the only way to defect this menace, but it takes enormous courage and stamina, plus a thick skin.

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          Kalm Keith

          Yes.

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          Bill In Oz

          Just remember Morrison ( the natural Conservative ) won the elections last year.
          Labor & it’s Greenist allies lost.

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            Serge Wright

            Yes, I should have added – you can never win in the long run. We need to rid our institutions of the hard left activists, rather than try and play appeasement games. The marxist indoctrination will continue and grow stronger for as long as our institutions are held hostage to the hard left.

            On this topic, if I were PM, my first step would be to break up the ABC funding into two halves, one each for progressive and conservative camps. Basically we would have two ABCs within the one entity, each with a 50% programming share. This would force the ABC to represent the other half of the electorate for the first time in decades. Just imagine a Q&A hosted by Andrew Bolt or Chris Kenny :) .

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              Terry

              ‘if I were PM, my first step would be to break up the ABC funding into two halves…’ and defund both of them.

              ‘This would force the ABC to represent the other half of the electorate for the first time in decades.’
              Only it wouldn’t. You’d just get ABC and SBS.

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          WXcycles

          I’m just wondering why ScoMo didn’t defund and crucify the ABC mid-last year, they certainly deserved it after the prior 6 months of political lies and endless partisan misrepresentation.

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        Dennis

        Marketing?

        Early career
        After graduating from university, Morrison worked as national policy and research manager for the Property Council of Australia from 1989 to 1995. He then moved into tourism, serving as Deputy Chief Executive of the Australian Tourism Task Force and then general manager of the Tourism Council of Australia; the latter was managed by Bruce Baird, whom he would eventually succeed in federal parliament.[14]

        In 1998, Morrison moved to New Zealand to become director of the newly created Office of Tourism and Sport. He formed a close relationship with New Zealand’s tourism minister, Murray McCully, and was involved with the creation of the long-running “100% Pure New Zealand” campaign.[14][20] He left this position in 2000, a year before the contract schedule.[21]

        Morrison returned to Australia in 2000, to become state director of the Liberal Party of Australia (New South Wales Division). He oversaw the party’s campaigns in the 2001 federal election and in the 2003 New South Wales state election.[10]

        Tourism Australia
        In 2004, Morrison left the NSW Liberal Party post to become the inaugural managing director of Tourism Australia, which had been established by the Howard Government. His appointment was controversial due to its openly political nature.[10] He approved and defended the contentious “So where the bloody hell are you?” advertising campaign featuring Lara Bingle. He lost his job in 2006, apparently due to conflict with tourism minister Fran Bailey over the government’s plans to further integrate the agency into the Australian Public Service,[22] although a 2019 investigation by The Saturday Paper[23] suggested Morrison was sacked for breaching procurement guidelines and awarding government contracts worth A$184 million to advertising and media companies without value-for-money assessments or board approval.[24]

        This episode and, more generally, his career in marketing led to his satirical sobriquet, “Scotty from Marketing,”[24] originating with satirical magazine The Betoota Advocate in August 2018. It was taken up on Twitter in early 2019, and spiked at the height of the bushfire crisis on 29 December 2019.[25][26] in January 2020 Morrison referred to the name as a “snarky comment” used by the Labor Party to discredit him.[27][24]

        Wikipedia

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        Broadie

        Here in Australia, there is no conservative leadership at all (unless you include some voices from the backbench)

        Easy fixed Terry!

        The rot set in when Representation became a career not a community service.

        Reset the system to restore Democracy.
        (1)Politicians compensated not remunerated.
        (2)Political parties do not receive funding from the public purse. Bring back the Don’s Party style fundraiser.
        (3)No payment per vote.
        (4)Voting by pencil and paper and run by the community.
        (5)Maximum of 2 consecutive terms. 2 year terms.
        (6)End compulsory voting.
        (7)Restore access to the roof of the Australian Parliament or just return both houses to the Old Parliament Building.

        There – fixed!

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      TdeF

      Biden is a puppet. A failure and an opportunist. No one doubts this. He has been selected as the best of the worst.

      The other candidates are however such extreme socialists that they are unelectable and the Democrat party knows it well.

      So it’s a zero achievement, zero principles hand puppet for Socialism versus a champion for America and American values. That should be a walkover but when you have the media, Hollywood, the tech giant influencers and endless violent activists in your corner, it is not a foregone conclusion. Biden and his cronies openly plan to wreck America. And they do not intend to replace it with something better. And they make no secret of it.

      As for Hollywood, Ricky Gervais said it best. Most of them spent less time at school than juvenile oracle Greta Thunberg. And the Biden’s profiteering in Ukraine and China is an open secret. As is the Clintons. No one in the media seems to care. They are desperately trying to take down Trump and with him, America. Just like the statues.

      And Wuhan Flu is just the latest undeclared assault on America and with it, the rest of the world. We can only watch, but we do not have to believe everything we read.

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        RicDre

        “The other candidates are however such extreme socialists…”

        And they are starting to be candid about their aims: Ilhan Omar Calls for ‘Dismantling’ of America’s ‘Economy and Political Systems’

        https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/07/ilhan-omar-calls-for-dismantling-of-americas-economy-and-political-systems/

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        RicDre

        “Biden is a puppet. A failure and an opportunist. No one doubts this. He has been selected as the best of the worst.”

        Or he may have been selected because he is a puppet whose strings can be pulled by the more radical elements of the Democrat party allowing them the opportunity to stay in the background.

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        David Maddison

        If the unthinkable happens and Biden gets elected he’ll be immediately removed under the 25th Amendment due to his dementia and replaced with the true intended President which will be someone like M. Obama, Oprah, Killary or other horrific choice.

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          Analitik

          Yes, anyone voting for the Democratic ticket in November is voting for the Vice Presidential Nominee. Michelle Obama is who I expect the get the nomination as the person with the best connections, least baggage and most favorable media treatment.

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      eilert

      I agree with your assessment that this speech was one of his best.
      But the linked speech from October 2016 is and will be the most consequential in the next few years:

      THIS VIDEO WILL GET DONALD TRUMP ELECTED:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR8Slr1b5NE

      Different Version:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ

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    ando

    Yeah the braindead media outlets in this country tried to be as anti Trump as their ideological brethren CNN, NYT, etc and ran with the ‘divisive speech’ nonsense and followed up the headline with a clip of the speech that was positive and uplifting about USAs future! ie could not even find one soundbite that was ‘divisive’…Our media is unhinged and shameless, led by their ABC propaganda outlet for ALP/Greens.
    There are whispers circulating recently that Trump has the Epstein secret society swamprats snookered and it’s about to go nuclear – Stay tuned.

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    Serp

    The antifa damage won’t be undone in the next four years; for all our sakes Trump needs to cancel the 22nd Amendment and sit with Xi, Putin and Erdogan as leader for life.

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    R.B.

    A few weeks ago, a statue of Queen Victoria was defaced with graffiti.

    murderer…slave owner

    She came to the thrown 4 years after it became illegal to own slaves in English colonies. 26 years earlier, the trading of slaves was banned. It took so long because of powerful slave owners.

    Her Royal Navy patrolled the Atlantic Ocean, stopping any ships that it suspected of trading African slaves to the Americas and freeing any slaves found.

    Her empire had set up a Crown Colony in Sierra Leone and transported freed slaves there. Freed slaves from Nova Scotia founded and named the capital of Sierra Leone “Freetown”.

    The words “slave owner” and educate were also sprayed on the side.

    It’s ridiculous when you are remembered as what you fought against.

    Educate, from the Latin to lead by the nose into being a complete tosser.

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    It's all BS

    Those that are lying about our history, those who want us to be ashamed of who we are, are not interested in justice or in healing. Their goal is demolition.

    My 4yo daughter came home from daycare saying “White people have to apologize to the abadiginals for stealing their land”. I asked her told her this; it was one of her “educators”. Whilst I haven’t spoken to the manager of the daycare as yet, it appears this is a concerted push by Reconciliation Australia to “educate” pre schoolers. The danger is to RA. What happens when these kids learn to think for themselves? A lot won’t, but a lot will.

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      Terry

      How is that not child abuse?

      They should be fired, charged, and put on a list – NEVER to be allowed near other peoples’ children again.

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    Analitik

    “The Expendables” black action actor, Terry Crews calls out BLM as a political movement rather than a social cause.

    Crews moved on to talk about gun violence within the Black community in Chicago, the number of young victims it has claimed, and BLM’s silence on the matter.

    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2020-07-07/terry-crews-don-lemon-black-lives-matter

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    Ruairi

    The negative M.S.M. take,
    On news won’t give P.O.T.U.S. a break,
    Yet he takes them to task,
    As he sees through their mask,
    And scorns their news stories as fake.

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      TdeF

      Good one. And there is so much fakery. This site is about fake science, fake facts. Fake predictions of armageddon. Fake news in politics.
      Fake news about a manufactured virus. Not infectious between humans, and that fake fact announced in January by no less than the President of WHO, the UN organization tasked with
      preventing the very pandemic it hid. Under instruction from China who hid it.

      And now even lifelong Greens are denouncing the fake Climate Crisis, fake Green energy, fake Green jobs. And of course, the daily cycle of fake news.

      I predict there will be a massive backlash to the fake press at the US State and Presidential elections, devastating the fake Democrats.
      Just as in Australia when we were told conclusively that Scott Morrison could not possibly win. It was a total rout.

      Except this time the Democrats will lose the Congress as well. And the gang of four calling for the destruction of their adopted country will be seen for the ungrateful saboteurs they are.

      Rascism and sexism and ageism and heightism exists in every country and every person. The point is that it is not accepted or acceptable and certainly not lawful in Australia or the US.
      All men are created equal under the law, nothing more.

      And it is up to the black communities in the US and Australia and South Africa and Zimbabwe to advance themselves not demand special treatment. Just like the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the Irish, the Scots, the Italians, the Russians, the Greeks, the Yugoslaves, the Hungarians, the Mexicans, the French, all the poor and huddled masses seeking freedom and opportunity and food. Remember food. Anything else is racism presented as anti racism, just as AntiFA is fascism presented as anti fascism. Black lives matter is a statement of fact. Handouts based on skin colour alone are wrong.

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    yarpos

    The more we segment into race,religion, age, sex, sexuality etc the easier we are to manipulate.

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    Another Ian

    Biter bit?

    “Americans Defund Democrats in Statehouse Elections as Democrats Seek to Defund Police”

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/07/americans-defund-democrats-in-statehouse-elections-as-democrats-seek-to-defund-police/

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Hope that Trump is elected for 4 more years.

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      AndyG55

      ….. And has a Republican Congress to back him up..

      … instead of a bunch of slimy, lying, underhanded, gutter Democrats fighting everything he wants to do to MAGA, just because he is him.

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        The Depraved and MOST Deplorable Vlad the Impaler

        Hi Andy,

        I understand what you mean when you say ” … And has a Republican Congress to back him up … “. I agree with you, but have to modify and augment your statement.

        Too many of the “Republicans” in Congress today fall into the category of RINO, which means (as you likely know) ‘ Republican In Name Only“. Traditionally, a ‘Republican’ was someone who tended towards Libertarianism, in the sense of believing in smaller, less intrusive government; letting the capitalist economy handle itself to the extent that it can (it was that great Democrat, Thomas Jefferson, who said, “That Government governs best, which governs least.”). Obviously, there are things that government does best (national defense being one of them), and there are things that the private sector does best.

        Too many “Republicans” today are just socialists; not quite as totalitarian as Democrat socialists (Obama, Clinton, Biden, Mayor (New York) de Blasio, Governor (New York) Cuomo, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, … … ) but they are socialist (or in American parlance, ‘liberal’) none the less.

        Traditionally, the Republican Party was in favor of promoting capitalism, promoting the private sector to do the best it can, with those items it was best equipped to do (think of the private companies who, as WWII came to American, circa 07 December 1941, went from making refrigerators to M1 Carbines and Sherman tanks and Destroyer Escorts … ), but any more, all I see is a Republican Party that is “Democrat Lite”.

        I would prefer that President Trump’s second term (the Good Lord willin’ and the creek don’t rise) have a CONSERVATIVE Congress. While I once was able to consider myself to be a Republican, now I self-identify only as a Conservative.

        To paraphrase the great Ronald Reagan, explaining why he was no longer a Democrat, I say, “I didn’t leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.”

        Keep up the good work; and, Peter, I think you may have left the /sarc tag off of your upthread statement.

        Best Regards to all,

        Vlad

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    Serge Wright

    When you look at the bigger picture of what Trump and the western world is facing, it comes down to the radical left-wing agenda to cause society collapse. This agenda is muti-fasited, but seems to be based on these main tactics.

    1) Cause racial hatred towards white people
    – Perpetuate the idea of white privilege
    – Use unfortunate one-off issues such as the George Floyd death to perpetuate the idea of systemic white racism towards black people
    – Perpetuate the false narrative of white supremacy
    – Blame all hardships of black people on white society, such as poverty, poor health, crime rates, etc
    – Resurrect old historical crimes from centuries past lay blame on white people living today, to incite rage and more hatred
    – Motivate anti-white hysteria using BLM and other similar movements

    2) Destroy national pride
    – cast historical figures as racist or criminal
    – Pursue an anti-colonial agenda to attribute poverty and hardship to western society
    – attach western civilisation as the cause of all global human hardship
    – Assign a higher priority to non-western cultures and remove celebrations of western society
    – Create division on days of national celebration, such as foundation days or independence days
    – Create division on the national flag and national anthem
    – Destroy monuments that have national significance

    3) Denounce democracy, capitalism and Christianity, and promote totalitarianism
    – use educational institutions to attribute blame of all world and human hardship on capitalism
    – Remove the teachings of western civilisation from learning institutions
    – use environmental issues such as climate change to run an anti-democracy agenda as the solution to save the planet
    – Promote the idea that capitalism = inequality and that income should not be based on reward for effort
    – Promote socialism and belief in false ideas such as a UBI (free living wage) as the only fair system
    – Promote the idea that the state should be the provider, rather than the individual
    – Promote the notion of capitalism being unsustainable and promote false sustainable concepts to reduce economic growth, such as RE

    4) Turn people against each other to create civil unrest
    – Label people by tribalising society by their racial or cultural identities, such as being first people, BLM organisations, etc
    – Promote the notion of minority groups being victims, by race, religion, skin colour, gender, sexual orientation, etc
    – Create gender wars
    – Encourage mass immigration / refugees, especially from countries with opposing cultural beliefs, to create instability and violence
    – Support acts of violence or terror that further the left-wing political cause, such as the recent mass riots
    – Promote concepts such as defunding the police to create more civil breakdown and lawlessness

    5)Create the false notion of pending doom and extinction to create panic, despair and invoke violent actions
    – Using fake climate change alarmism to promoting false ideas of food supplies exhausting, island nations vanishing, etc

    6) Finally, control the media to control the narrative
    – Sensor all opposing views
    – Cancel those that are seen as a threat to the agenda.

    What we must realise is that the main aim of the agenda is to create civil unrest that can only be controlled by introducing martial law and totalitarian control. At that point democracy falls and the new Marxist regime of brutality and censorship begins.

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    DOC

    Trump is professionally a businessman. He (fortunately) isn’t a politician; he hasn’t had a lifetime of putting his thoughts and speech through a sieve to win a series of elections over time. He hated the direction(less) Obama/Biden/Hilary were taking the nation.

    Trump saw US economic destruction being enforced by the climate changers and environmentalists, and he saw how little the bureaucrats and Democrats valued a dollar, earned by taxpayers, from their Iran deal. Add now the violent moves against society, freedom of speech and anti-individualism.

    Trump saw the way the rest of the West was bumming off the US for their own defence yet the positions they held in running the West into the ground comes from the safety of that security net. Trump has them paying up. They still toady to China,’Chamberlainesque’, but that will change.

    Trump had lived through the world divided by historic enmities and tried the more amicable approach with Russia, China and North Korea. That failed, but Trump has imposed heavy sanctions on every one of them and tariffs on Chinese imports. It was worth the effort to talk! His actions against Putin’s Russia and Xi’s China show the absurdity of the left argument that he has an
    unhealthy relationship with those leaders. It would seem he was supposed to rattle more US sabres overseas so the left could accuse him of being a warmonger!

    The USA before Trump was dependent on the ME oil. He reversed Obama’s attacks on the US Fossil fuel industries and has the USA fuel independent. Trump saw the run-down of the USA Defence forces and Industries and has reversed that as a priority in the face of China’s expansionism.

    Trump stopped the COVID-19 China flights against all advice. Trump has been blamed for every wrong turn in the treatment of the epidemic when it is fully the responsibility of the Governors and the Mayors. It was Trump that had industries turn to manufacturing ventilators in huge numbers – after
    previous administrations of both Parties had run down all the essential pandemic equipment. It was
    Trump that provided the hospital ships and tent hospitals when the mainly Democratic Governors were weeping; this showed how far they were willing to do damage to their own citizens in the belief they could lay it all at Trump’s door. It was Trump who declared he would take, or was, Hydroxychloroquine. It was Trump that recognised the economy had to open, just as Morrison has here. With the delay in having a vaccine, we are getting to a stage where the world has to make
    some very hard decisions about opening up in a world of COVID-19 without vaccines, and that world
    by definition cannot be the one we are used to.

    It is Trump that has to face down the fierce attacks of the hard left that seek to take down the
    entire USA, come Western democratic systems. In this world, a loud mouthed, violent but small group with tremendous backing from all forms of media, big business, lawcourts, leftwing and progressive politicians, is emerging from the prior shadows from whence it vilified and destroyed
    any individual, person or politician that stood against it.

    Nobody in power before Trump, and since Reagan, has been willing to face these people down. Trump is just starting and even the worst Democrat governors are realising they have gone too far and are calling in their National Guard. The only way Trump can bring in the Troops if necessary is evidently by request or having to use the Insurrection powers. Even Macron in France has sworn there will not be any tolerance to tearing down a single French monument.

    Pre COVID-19, Trump had the US economy running at a rate it has never run before and it was
    lifting all parts of society, especially the impoverished black and migrant groups.

    That’s just part of what Trump has accomplished in 4 years while under sustained, continuous
    Democratic attacks attempting a coup, under the auspices of the DOJ, FBI and CIA hierarchies with the connivance of most of the Press. That’s the same Press that ignore his achievements and expound on any contrivance they can come up with as his defects.

    What most people see and hear about Trump come from what the media tells them and his tweeting. That tweeting is often his only way of getting his messaging out and it is also a means of hitting back at the press. It’s often apparently bizarre, but its no more bizarre than much of the press commentary against him which goes unremarked because there is little public means of attacking it outside of Fox News studios.

    People should be asking what is going on with the Press. Demand answers for its bias and what is it aiming to do to the nation. Instead of taking what the Press offers, its past time people actually looked at what has been the major achievements of Trump that have benefited the nation.
    Isn’t that why we vote? More particularly, look at the standards of and the visions Trump’s
    antagonists have for the nation. Then, if you believe in democracy, weep. Biden would be but
    a figurehead for Cortez’s extremists. Pelosi and the rest are butter in their hands.

    If he fails in November, God help the Western democracies and the world. We need 4 more
    years of his leadership – hate his personality or not – or the progressives will have us on toast
    and virtual dictatorships will rule. Just read Bill Shorten’s recent view for this country.

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    BGH

    In the same speech, Trump claimed Americans split the atom and invented the telephone. The atom was split by Rutherford a New Zealander working in the UK, and the telephone was invented by Bell a Scot working in Canada.

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    nb

    Zinc with hydroxychloroquine can assist in treatment of Wuhan virus. Efficacy for this kind of virus has been understood for ten years.
    Here is a paper:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2973827/pdf/ppat.1001176.pdf
    Here is the database:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21079686/
    Here is a discussion:
    Peak Prosperity: Covid-19: Vindication! HCQ+ & Ivermectin Work!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plkwhi5KUE
    The name Ralph Baric comes up at approx. 28:15 (referred to as Robert Baric)

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    Analitik

    So mods, are you going to fix this thread (even by deleting all the content of the offending posts and then releasing them)?

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    Chad

    Off topic, but can anyone help me find a site that shows the current cost of subsidies per MwH of the different types of electricity sources?

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    Komrade Kuma

    If Trump had delivered his speech at the Lincoln Memorial then it might have been seen in the light of Lincolns’s words ” We are not enemies, but friends” as Roger kimball points out. But no, Trump came up with “When the looting starts, the shooting starts”. Responding to the looting that had broken out as the Floyd George protests spiralled out of control.

    He might also have got in there with some truly powerful words that could not be misconstrued by the leftards to the effect that the actions of the police in the capricious, gratuitous, cowardly killing of George was utterly beyond the pale as was that of Australian woeman Justine Damond in the same city not that long ago.

    The Minnesota police have a long and strong reputation for vicious if not downright murderous bahaviour and Trump could readily have singled the vicious hillbilly fringe, the criminally negligent lack of suitable training and festering ‘above the law culture’ that has earned them that reputations.

    In doing so he would not have overly offended his base because the footage of Floyd George’s killing is so damned compelling that anyone with half a heart letalone brain can see the obvious. He would also have created some credibility for himself with the more centrist americans who lean Republican and might vote if they feel enthused and even some Democrat leaners who ain’t exactly inspired by Sleepy Joe and who just shudder at the thought of AOC and The Squad getting further into positions of actual power.

    Winning the next election is as much his actual day job now and just playing to his base does not cut it even in practical terms. Biden has not had to do a damn thing and still drift (and I mean drift while fast asleep) to a 10 points plus lead so trump needs a lot more than his base.

    Trump was not able to then double down when Rashard Brooks was gunned down, shot in the back no less, having done no more than blown 0.08 or whatever after a day celebrating his daughter’s birthday. Hell what father might not want to volunteer to go to Wendys and catch some zees while at it. And you can be shot dead for that? America’s cultural fringe dwellers remnant vicious racism towards African Americans is hardly a secret and Trump was gifted an opportunity to deliver a powerful and utterly unmistakeable let alone convincing Presidential response to the entire nation and he squibbed it, instead he just sucked up to his ‘base’ with some comparatively lite Tweet talk.

    On reflection him speaking anywhere near the Lincoln Memorial would be an act of hypocrisy given his wet lettuce leaf talking down of the gun toting racist fringe of the US. He acts like he is his base’s ‘bitch’, not their leader.

    So to all those Trumpster lovers posting here that is the cool calm version of what I thing about the guy. Using ad homs is just more succint and, considering the size of the opportunity wasted, appropriate in my opinion. Trump has squandered an opportunity and may have let the leftard fringe of the Democrats in the back door while he polishes the solid gold, front door knocker.

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    Komrade Kuma

    Oh, come on. Is Trump the JC of our times? That said I will read the rules.

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    Analitik

    Agreed on both Trump and Abbott (Peta Credlin has a fair bit to answer for IMO but Abbott did choose to have her effectively ringfence him from the backbench and even the ministry to some extent).

    Trump is a terrible choice as US President but the alternative that could be voted for and the alternatives being presented now are worse. That makes him the “best” choice of a terrible selection and as such, I support him.

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    Komrade Kuma

    BTW Ad, I am loving my thumbs down score at 1.1 above, 65 and climbing like Comrade Dan’s daily COVID infection rate! You tempted to lock me down?? I was first expelled from a convent school at the end of Grade 1 and am soooo proud of it. All those thumbs down are gold stars in my book. :-) )

    In all seriousness thanks for your tolerance but I still don’t quite understand the Trumpsuckers posting here (too Ad Hom?). He is just (marginally) the best of a very bad lot currently on the shelves at the moment, i.e. someone to tolerate at most but hardly to celebrate. I stood up for him on that basis through the 2016 campaign in the company of my wife and 17 yo daughter who were understandably utterly appalled at his carry on. HIs credit has its fingers on the rim of the toilet bowl of history at the moment thanks to his BLM response.

    [If you want to name ad homs. I'll check them. But remember standards are highest at #1 and for people who dominate threads. - Jo]

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    Komrade Kuma

    Despite some of my more pungent rhetoric here Analitik, I agree with you. I guess I am just sick to death of sub standard elected representatives in the West where Trump floats to the top. That is what really pisses me off about the MSM, they make this happen by their overt partisanship and leave us with these appalling choices between turdburgers and poisons.

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    Orson

    I’m a Yank in Auckland. After lockdown, I got my haircut by Yogi, a barber off Queen Street in the CBD. He’s been here for a decade from a Northern India, and he’s grateful for the corruption free (relatively) law enforcement here. This makes running a business worthwhile.

    I explained to him that Trump is actually more popular (slightly, not hugely) — more popular than Obama or Bush were in their respective years of presidency (by best polls on, say, job approval). And that while Obama was given positive news coverage by over 90% of the time, Trump gets negative coverage by over 90% (to go by headline valence).

    Furthermore, the ruling class Left wants us to have a race conflict because this works to secure their rule.

    But Trump is a genuine outsider! And before the Virus Crisis, Trump had helped the middle-class to grow in income and wealth with the lowest unemployment rates seen in 50 years (and all time lows for black and Hispanic people). That’s why Trump was popular despite unprecedented venomous Ruling Class hate!

    The problem in the US is that after 9/11 and the Great Recession financial crisis made the four counties around Washington, DC the top five (or ten) richest in the US. That, and that total benefits from Federal jobs (income plus health insurance and retirement) were measured to be double private jobs (and the Capitol city’s business is federal jobs). The Ruling Class and hangers on in all media, the bureaucracy, education, were tied to their fortunes – not “the forgotten man,” the long suffering middle sorts who had not benefited for two decades from globalisation and uncontrolled immigration.

    How do we know? Middle class suffering? Besides no income growth? ($400 under Bush; $1200 under Obama; but $5500 under Trump in only three years!) Trump won in states Obama won, the Rustbelt, or Great Lakes, states. And male life expectancy was falling — first time ever recorded — through Obama’s last two year’s as President, plus Trump’s first, before finally reversing to increase in 2018, Trump’s second year as President. That’s how important real work benefits the people.

    Declining life expectancy is a measure of Democrat’s and Obama’s failures — and it’s reverse, a measure of Trump’s sudden success. And it’s all consistent with a real and deep American class conflict, manifest by the war-like battle for control over the Office of Presidency. Trump is in the secure Ruling Class’ way, literally. And going by rally turnout, Trump really is the People’s champion.

    What do the market Tea Leaves say? The Dow averages are above the 50 day moving average, and points to 12% rise in the six months to come, as seen in 12 of 13 times since 1970. This looks very good – except that the election is not in six months, but 4 months time. Nail biting finish? Maybe.

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    Analitik

    More like Brian

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    Broadie

    You should take the time to listen to Trump speaking to his MAGA crowd. He uses simple language to convey a simple message. The media and the self-styled ‘elite’ mistake this for stupidity. The truth is the message is simple because the Trump understands the problem and has a simple solution. He distilled the Trans Pacific Partnership of over 5000 pages down to its essence ‘bad’!

    I loved his explanation of Bolton’s presence in his administration. He said Bolton just wanted to bomb everyone, so when he turned up to negotiate with Bolton standing behind him everyone signed. Trump has demonstrated he brings peace and Bolton did not belong in his Administration.
    Trump is not from the Left so he is able to tolerate contrary views from those around him. As in this blog, polite disagreement has a place. The left struggle with any sort of debate and they generally fail to run an open comments section. They certainly didn’t allow the Anthropogenic Global Warming Science to be debated in an open forum.

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    DOC

    You’ve already read your rules and made your comments. See above!
    BTW, typical non detailed attack by a leftist. I believe your next move is name-calling if
    you run true to leftist form.

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    Another Ian

    “He distilled the Trans Pacific Partnership of over 5000 pages down to its essence ‘bad’!”

    There was a commenter at Chiefio who had read the whole thing. At the time we were being told “trade” she pointed out that there were 29 chapters in it and only 5 had anything to do with trade.

    I fear what we actually got into with “Son of TPP”.

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    AndyG55

    More hilarious TDS blathering.

    Very funny !

    You would vote for the guy with terminal dementia, I guess.

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    AndyG55

    So you are a Clinton/Biden supporter. right ?

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    Broadie

    Yes the other Ian.

    This is the measure of our Prime Minister Scott Morrison, another of History’s dwarfs. He should have dumped the TPP, Paris, WHO and the the rest of the mad globalist trash. Instead he kneels to whatever tune the ABC plays.
    While our children are trained to be servants and to live in fear, his will enjoy a cosy position and an apartment in London / Geneva / New York, a job well done.

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    Komrade Kuma

    There was no intent to ‘thread hijack’ its just that I am over Trump’s idiocy and for the record I supported him on balance over Slick Willary. That he is 10 points behind Sleepy Joe says it all IMO. He has massively mishandled the Floyd George reaction and as for COVID 19 well he is the world leader in utter incompetence, well neck and neck with Bolsinaro perhaps. Sorry but heaping paise on hime for making a halway decent speech in that context is just a bit much IMO.

    How about he made a decent speech to he nation regarding police shooting people let along just crushing their throats cos thay can with their hands in their pockets or just stand and watch it. The Yanks have a deadly serious problem with their gun culture not just with cops using them recklessly and wantonly but with mass shootings and their general attitude that firepower is what its all about and when in doubt fill em full of lead with each member of the pack emptying at least a magazine into the ‘target’.

    Like I said in another post Trump needs to pick up some mainstream support and not just suck up to the most base of his base.

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    It’s odd Kuma, apart from a ritual weak profession that you want Trump to win, your comments exactly fit the mould of a Democrat voter.

    Now we don’t mind at all, and welcome people who vote any which way, but color me more impressed with someone who plays it straight.

    Hypothetically, if I were a Democrat Junkie and I was hiring trolls I would pick people to try to unnerve and sap confidence by pretending to be a disappointed mainstream conservative, repeating “the polls”, amplifying his weak points, tying him to Bolsinaro, watering down praise, declaring he mishandled everything “massively”, and pretending that his tweets are policy, instead of his toolbox of negotiating ambits.

    Your comments on the gun culture of the USA sound just like me when I was a know-nothing naive Green voter. It rather betrays that you have any idea at all what is going on in US politics, much less any understanding of the importance Trump plays in the epic battle of freeloaders versus producers and the Swamp-corruption versus the High Trust honest players.

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