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You think I’m the devils child and you branded me a climate change denier…

Let me be the one to introduce DanPrawn to the world.

Man this is going to go viral. 17 views and it’s headed for thousands…

Great new talent!


“I thank my lucky stars that I became a climate change denier”

Thank you Dan!

UPDATE: A few days later as it’s gone to 13k views. See the youtube link.

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207 comments to You think I’m the devils child and you branded me a climate change denier…

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    Graeme Bird

    Wow. These guys are so tight. What a class act.

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    Graeme Bird

    Reminds me of this brilliant guitarist and humorist Jim Stafford. But these guys have a whole team running. So the playing is just exemplary. The lyrics are powerful in view of the current dumb-city-leftist crisis. And plus they echoed some good local boys in their last line. Seldom does it get better than this. I suppose these boys are effectively working for 5 dollars an hour or something?

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    robert rosicka

    Both types of music country and western , love it and yes it’s going to be interesting to see how this song goes .

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      OriginalSteve

      Reminds me of a quote from the Blues Brothers…..

      The graphics are gold alone…..the climate clowns wont like this….wonder if his ‘tube channel will be pulled down?

      Someone take a copy of it please and save offline….

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        OriginalSteve

        Just emailed URL it to a family member…..

        May the fun begin……

        Waiting for the Climate Borg to retaliate by taking his ootoob channel down….

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      Richard

      We’ll have to spread it msm will avoid

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    Graeme Bird

    I want to keep the focus on their excellent playing, before circling back to their intellectual excellence. If they come out of the heritage of Jim Stafford, thats a very respectful playing heritage. As if my boxing was good and I could trace my paternity back to Dempsey. You older guys might know Stafford from his humorous hits. But I want to stay away from those hits for the moment, or it may diminish my emphasis on the tight artistry of these guys. So here is Stafford showing off some skills.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTmP4A3NeLU

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      Never found Hattie and they never found the shack
      Never made the trip back in
      There was a parchment note they found tacked to a stump
      Said don’t come lookin’ again.

      Mid 1973, Best thing Jim ever released.

      Swamp Witch

      (a case of how a green ‘cool aid’ drink was actually beneficial.)

      Tony.

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        Carbon500

        TonyfromOz: thanks for the link to ‘Swamp Witch’ by Jim Stafford – wow! I heard it sung many years ago by a British country singer, Brian Golbey. Now long retired, Brian was a professional singer, and in his prime he had a rich, deep vibrant voice – the best.
        I’d never heard the song until the evening he sang it at a local club – just Brian and his guitar. I never heard him sing it again, but I thought it a terrific song – what evocative, creepy lyrics!
        Now all these years later I’ve heard it again, and I now know where Brian got it from. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed hearing Jim Stafford’s version – thanks again for stirring the memories!

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        Graeme Bird

        Fantastic. Can there be humour in country music? If so a man with this genius born 30 years later would be rolling in gold.

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    David

    This is just what our side needs. Great stuff.

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      Ian

      It probably is just what “our side needs” but I doubt the Australians who have been devastated by the recent and on going fires would think it “Great stuff”.

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    Vishnu

    OK I kacked and split a gut laughing. Always admiring the sledging ability of you guys.

    But I’m on the niceness New Year’s resolution and not allowed to wind AndyG55 with “Put your Mum on” and “drongo etc”. I have to be nice. It’s nice to be nice.

    Despite still being a lukewarmer.

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    Carbon500

    Great lyrics, they gave me a laugh or two – and great country guitar picking as well. I’ve occasionally thought that there’s a need for a ‘talking global warming blues’ these days, but this guy got there first!

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    Turtle

    That’s not Dan Prawn from the 90s Perth band Prawns with Horns?

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      Graeme Bird

      I don’t know Dan Prawn. But these guys certainly don’t sound green to my ear. This is a class act on every level.

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    toorightmate

    Climate change deniers should be shot, hanged, drowned, throttled.
    AND don’t try to get me with things like facts and fair dinkum statistics,

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    Bill In Oz

    What’s the chance of some one posting the lyrics !
    Being a bit deaf makes it hard to catch them all.
    But what i can hear is good !
    And great music playing !

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    WXcycles

    I’ve extracted the audio, unity gain, added some bottom and compression. Much easier to hear now.

    Download link here:

    A Graphic Account of the Climate Crisis.mp3

    https://kiwi6.com/file/f0jllpn0m3

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    Athelstan.

    The fires are bad enough but a historical perspective shows that they aren’t the worst. People have lost their lives, it is a terrible price. The lads fighing the fires daily put their lives on the line, good on them, from half way across the world – we salute you! It is a great worry, that the knock on effects especially to those whom already suffer respiratory problems – are unknown but probably not good.

    NO matter what, Australia will always suffer drought and naturally occurring bush fires, the human torches: the nation could do without. If some reason would come out of all of this, then it might be surmised that Austalia got real. But blaming the coal industry and MMCO2 ain’t it.

    In the end, some common sense and even a little, gentle humour is needed, if it is set to music, perhaps the message might just break through. All power to yer plectrum – Mr. DanPrawn.

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      Latus Dextro

      In the end … if it is set to music, perhaps the message might just break through.

      Humour and satire are some of the most effective antidotes to neo-Marxist imbued political correctness, a mainstay of the climatism tropes, slogan thinking and UNEP/UNFCCC Trojan horse. Regrettably, I’m not sure there’s enough in Christendom to meet the need for tireless feedback against the relentless propaganda and indoctrinating noise.

      The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis — Cloward-Piven Strategy

      Briefly and inadvertently washing up on Al Jazeera, I listened to a Sydney based woman reporter in a state of manufactured quasi-hysteria being doused in journalistic gasoline by another woman from Al Jazeera HQ, both in solid agreement that the sole cause of Australian fires was inaction on climate change. Their interactive frenzy of rank ecofare was aimed at calling out the ‘fake news’ and ‘conspiracy’ sources designed to deflect from the putative climafiction of climate change induced fires.
      This pecksniffian media activist frenzy was a perfect example of ignorance at the hands of positive feedback and screeching faux-lamentation. The Australian fires were deemed a global problem clearly meriting a globalist ‘solution’, indeed, much as Macron suggested for the Brazilian Amazon fires, a blatant attempt to indoctrinate and cultivate faux-justification for a globalist solution.

      The climatism Trojan horse is Cloward-Piven Strategy on steroids.

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    bobl

    On the local (Toowoomba) news tonight they cited a survey by I think Mission Australia that says a lot of children are depressed with the 2nd largest cause being “Environmental Guilt” and climate change in particular.

    This has to stop, all the pollies that read this site, you must band together to stop the abuse of our children by the green elite.

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      Bill In Oz

      The Greenists greatest weapon
      Is making innocent people feel
      GUILTY !

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        WXcycles

        They learned that from the other religions.

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        bobl

        The Greenists greatest weapon
        Is making innocent people children feel
        GUILTY !

        There – fixed

        People, yes even you sleepers, time to write to your member about the child abuse they are complicit in. There is no emergency, the world is NOT coming to an end, the children need to hear it. We must act to reassure them, all of them.

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          Bill In Oz

          Not fixed !
          But definitely improved !
          Thanks !

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          Lucy Skywalker

          I see the Pied Piper at work, leading the children into the mountain.

          My fury goes especially towards those Christians who, rather than research and stand up for the truth, as Jesus did, are hanging these millstones round children’s necks. It was what made Jesus most furious.

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        Ian G

        And then after they make you feel guilty they offer their solution, followed by –
        GIVE US YOUR MONEY!

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      hatband

      It’s the Chalkies.

      They were all ratbags and weirdoes when I went to School, and nothing’s changed.

      A big part of the problem in Queensland is children staying at School far longer than they can

      ever gain benefit from it.

      Up until the end of 1963, Grade 8 was at Primary School, and to go on to High School, the

      Scholarship Exam had to be sat and passed.

      Less than half passed Scholarship, and a pass was good enough to get Apprenticed then anyway,

      so effectively less than 1 in 4 were smart enough to attend High School.

      The Qld Ed. Dept. then decided that since Grade 8s were at High School anyway in

      1964 [the year of the double intake],

      they might as well stay around for Grades 9 & 10.

      That was how it started-to provide employment for teachers.

      So, no wonder children are depressed.

      They’re forced by law to attend an Institution years past the point where they can ever derive

      any benefit, and end up wasting their childhood, the best years of anyone’s life.

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        Annie

        If childhood is supposed to contain the best years of one’s life it doesn’t leave one very optimistic about life. Childhood is good but what comes later is better, even if difficult at times.

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          OriginalSteve

          Ive said before the climate cult are appear to be practicing a form of ritualistic-like child abuse.

          From what I know of the occult space that the climate cult appear to operate from, this actually fits…..and the rot appears to go right to the top…think eptsein et al.

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          hatband

          Perhaps, but that wasn’t my experience, and i reckon most people remember their childhood as

          a Golden Age, apart from the Chalkie/Classroom part.

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      Roy Hogue

      …stop the abuse of our children by the green elite.

      It would be very much to the benefit of these protesters if someone told them that it is they who are ruining their future. You can make your future just about anything you want from the abundance of opportunity available to you. Or you can become angry, protest and invest your life in tearing down what others have built, in which case you end up like Ralph Nader, a never was still trying to complain and pretend he’s useful while nobody pays any attention.

      That would take care of half the problem. But as I have said before, nothing sticks around longer than a bad idea.

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      Carbon500

      bobl: I’ve done what I can regarding young relatives of mine – given them real data and counter-arguments.
      That said, Skeptical Science has an excellent way of putting over its point of view – I hate to say it, but they have! On their website are presented commonly used arguments from so-called skeptics, and also the Skeptical Science counter views.
      Here’s the crunch. No skeptic website’s done this, to the best of my knowledge. Not Jo’s site, not WUWT, nor England’s ‘Not a Lot of People Know That’, and maybe others I don’t know about. What’s needed is a list of scares as soon as a reader gets onto the website, and links to the counter arguments (preferably using rea-world climate data).
      Unless the skeptics get better organised, people will believe the mainstream media junk. There are of course excellent books out there countering the scary stories, but these days the internet is the first port of call.
      The alarmists have gained so much traction because they know how the publicity machine works – they’re far ahead of the skeptics in that regard.

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        Here’s the crunch. No skeptic website’s done this, to the best of my knowledge. Not Jo’s site, not WUWT, nor England’s ‘Not a Lot of People Know That’, and maybe others I don’t know about. What’s needed is a list of scares as soon as a reader gets onto the website, and links to the counter arguments (preferably using rea-world climate data).

        Unless the skeptics get better organised, people will believe the mainstream media junk. There are of course excellent books out there countering the scary stories, but these days the internet is the first port of call.

        ABSOLUTELY!! Listen mate, I tried to do this myself, exactly copying Skeptical Science’s format, actually answering each of their 200+ rubbish posts. I also tried to set up a wiki but nobody was biting at that point, and anyway I knew there were vital climate truths that even the climate skeptics community could not yet see. Heck, IPCC’s basic maths radiative transfer Stefan-Boltz equations are wrong – wrong integration, done for flat surface instead of sphere – and even the wonderful Lord Chris Monckton has missed this, and the climate skeptics community at WUWT, unfortunately under the aegis of whoever, booted out the pair who have got the correct equations – Ned Nikolov and Karl Zeller.

        After all that I went, like Moses, into the wilderness . . .

        But you are absolutely right! We still need a mirror website to Skeptical Science. Can you get it going? Keep in touch via JoNova, she will remember me.

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          Carbon500

          Lucy Skywalker: thank you for your comments. As regards the setting up of a website, it would need to be done by someone well-qualified and knowledgeable regarding meteorology and also computing. Just your mention of maths and your dissecting of equations strikes terror into my non-mathematical heart!
          Also, I have to be realistic. I’m 71, and I’ve spent a good bit of time over the last ten years or so poking into the claims made by Al Gore and others. I’ve just about had enough of all the garbage the media spout, as well as the lazy and uninformed doomsayers. I’ve got other things I want to do with however much time I’ve got left. I’ve written to a local newspaper when a proposed wind turbine development threatened a beautiful part of rural England where I was born, and got the better of warmists attacking me in the letters column of the said newspaper. They produced no data of their own to support their arguments, one even having the gall to suggest that ‘deniers’ shouldn’t be getting their views in print. That prompted a broadside from me regarding the scientific method, which the editor printed. Thank goodness there are some proper newspapers left. The wind turbine proposal was rejected – job done, so I now want to step back!

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          disorganise

          I agree. The skeptical science website is well thought out and if you lack the education in the relative fields (like me) and/or the time to trawl through various journals to try and find some truth (also me) there’s some really solid argumentation being shown.
          I was drawn into skepticism by Greta’s ‘how dare you’ speech, and then the ongoing intolerance of the contrary position across the media and social media. Having a ‘gut feel’ that something is fishy is how I ended up here, but finding good argumentation for both sides so a lay person can come to a relatively informed decision on their own position, is hard. A counter-site (or even sub-site) in a similar format would be great. Perhaps a subsection of Jo’s site could host it?

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            Kalm Keith

            Good move disorganise,

            At the heart of this catastrophe based on the Global Warming / Climate Change story is one statement.

            That statement is that humans are causing global warming by the production of the gas carbon dioxide, CO2.

            The question then is: does that statement represent the truth or otherwise.

            KK

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            Kalm Keith

            Just some political background.

            http://joannenova.com.au/2019/04/new-poll-54-of-australians-are-still-skeptics-of-man-made-climate-catastrophe/#comment-2124760

            Hints at the employment problems when real scientists speak the truth about CO2 .

            KK

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              disorganise

              Thanks KK,

              Rationality trumps emotion when it comes to science, and a lot of my left-leaning friends make a lot of emotional arguments like “entire eco-systems are dying” <- really…can you name one? I looked at polar bears as an example and…nope.

              Being skeptical can unfortunately lead to questions of conspiracy (and what a scale that conspiracy would have to be!), and it's really difficult for a lay-person to test/repeat an experiment to settle the matter. Happer, Dyson, Soon, Lindzen etc are all very compelling but there's little I can do to prove/disprove what they say for myself; ditto the pro AGW side.

              The other part of the argument I've yet to find any information upon, beyond the 'is human CO2 causing temps to rise' debate, is the consequence. *Why* would a 2 versus 1.5 degree rise (or 4C versus 2C) be catastrophic? The inconvenience of relocating beach-side cities as the sea-level rises might be costly, but so what? That's a human impact and we would have brought it upon ourselves (or not if AGW isn't a thing). Do deserts grow or shrink? Does Antartica and/greenland become green?

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    pat

    good fun.

    not so funny – the big children climate activists. the only lesson to be learned from the following is the only solution is to end the whole CAGW project, ditch Paris, etc:

    13 Jan: Politico: Climate groups turn up the heat on big banks, insurers
    By ZACK COLMAN
    Climate change activists are sharpening their campaign against Wall Street banks and top insurers, aiming to convince financial giants like JPMorgan Chase and Berkshire Hathaway to cut off the flow of money supporting investments in oil, natural gas and coal…
    “We’re talking about some of the central pillars of global capital. They may be too strong for citizens to have power over. But maybe not,” activist and 350.org founder Bill McKibben told POLITICO. “We’ve gotten to this point now because too many people have gotten on trying to make money off of the end of the world.”

    Several major national environmental groups, including Sierra Club, the Union of Concerned Scientists and 350.org, unveiled the new campaign dubbed “Stop the Money Pipeline” in Washington on Friday. They describe it as an evolution of campaigns that have scored some successes in prodding university endowments, religious groups and philanthropies to divest from fossil fuels.

    Green activists say the stakes are significant: Since January 2017, Citigroup and JPMorgan Chase have underwritten $8.8 billion and $6.2 billion, respectively, for building new coal-fired power plants, according to a report released last month by German environmental organization Urgewald and Dutch sustainability group BankTrack…

    Andrew Gray, a spokesperson for JPMorgan Chase, said the bank supports the Paris agreement, and that it has set a goal of facilitating $200 billion in clean finance by 2023…READ ON
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/13/climate-groups-protest-098251

    14 Jan: EnergyVoice: Updated: Lack of action will see ‘increased’ North Sea protests, Greenpeace boss warns
    by David McPhee
    Senior climate adviser Charlie Kronick said his organisation has no intention of “shutting off” the basin, but claimed the sector only has 10 years to transform itself and urged the Oil and Gas Authority (OGA) to immediately cancel the next licencing round…
    https://www.energyvoice.com/oilandgas/north-sea/217592/lack-of-action-will-see-increased-north-sea-protests-greenpeace-boss-warns/

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      OriginalSteve

      Pat, for the heavy lifting , yes.

      Although the use of cartoons to mock and expose foolishness is a very powerful tool in the sceptic tool box of common sense.

      Napoleon was heavily damaged by cartoons of the day who mocked his activities….

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    Steve

    Loved it, I also used to love watching the videos these guys did – Minnesotans For Global Warming.
    http://m4gw.com/videos

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      John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia

      What happened to them? Did they freeze to death wishin’ for that Global Warming?

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        Konrad

        I’d say they got their big win.

        Their nation elected an AGW sceptic who will be president for the next five years.

        Sadly Australians need to keep fighting. We only got Mini Mal, a media compliant Uni-Party quisling. We will have to work harder.

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          PeterS

          No not harder but smarter. We need to figure out how to convince most voters to stop supporting the push to reduce our emissions by both major parties.

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        I got tired of beating my head against a wall. I figured if people haven’t figured out its a hoax by now there’s nothing more I can do.

        Thanks

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    pat

    Fink – that has been the plan from the beginning – to shift from an oil-based economy to a “carbon” economy. but you haven’t won yet:

    14 Jan: CNBC: BlackRock CEO says the climate crisis is about to trigger ‘a fundamental reshaping of finance’
    by Sam Meredith
    In an annual letter to CEOs published Tuesday, BlackRock chief executive Larry Fink said: “Climate change has become a defining factor in companies’ long-term prospects.”
    “But awareness is rapidly changing, and I believe we are on the edge of a fundamental reshaping of finance,” he added.
    BlackRock’s assets under management totaled almost $7 trillion in the third quarter of 2019.
    The chief of the world’s largest money manager believes the intensifying climate crisis will bring about a fundamental reshaping of finance, with a significant reallocation of capital set to take place “sooner than most anticipate.”…
    Fink’s comments come as business leaders, policymakers and investors prepare to travel to Davos, Switzerland for the World Economic Forum next week…

    “Climate change is almost invariably the top issue that clients around the world raise with BlackRock. From Europe to Australia, South America to China, Florida to Oregon, investors are asking how they should modify their portfolios,” Fink continued…READ ON

    Alongside 20 other young climate activists, Sweden’s Greta Thunberg has called on all of those attending the World Economic Forum in the Swiss Alps to stop the “madness” of ongoing investments in fossil fuel exploration and extraction and “completely divest” from fossil fuels…
    READ ON FOR BUSHFIRES PROPAGANDA
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/14/blackrock-ceo-larry-fink-says-climate-change-will-soon-reshape-markets.html

    above is being reported in NYT, NBC, Business Insider & more.

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      WXcycles

      BlackRock CEO says the climate crisis is about to trigger ‘a fundamental reshaping of finance’

      Author of, “An Idiots Guide to Destroying Capitalism and Stealing Retirement Funds”.

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    pat

    15 Jan: CNBC: Jeff Bezos: Anyone who denies reality of climate change is ‘not being reasonable’
    by Chloe Taylor
    Denying climate change is dangerous and unreasonable in the year 2020, according to billionaire Amazon founder Jeff Bezos.
    Speaking at Amazon’s Smbhav summit for small and medium-sized enterprises in New Delhi, India, Bezos described climate change as a big problem and warned that Earth is “a finite planet.”

    “You can go back 10 years or 20 years and there were people who just did not acknowledge that climate change is real,” he said. “Anybody today who is not acknowledging that climate change is real — that we humans are affecting this planet in a very significant and dangerous way — those people are not being reasonable.”
    “This is a big problem and it’s going to take collective action all over the world if we are going to make progress on that problem,” he added…READ ON
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/15/jeff-bezos-anyone-who-denies-climate-change-is-not-being-reasonable.html

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      OriginalSteve

      Cool…stop buying from Amazon…..

      There you go Jeff…now I’m being reasonable.

      Now if enough people stop….

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        Another Ian

        “Get woke, go broke” seems to work – ask Gillette

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        PeterS

        I’ll finish your sentence: Now if enough people stop voting for either major party we might get a third party to hold the balance of power and bring common sense back into the energy policy.

        Both major parties are destroying our economy for the sake of reducing our emissions by an irrelevant amount. If that’s not insanity that warrants drastic action by the people at the ballot box then nothing is.

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      Let me think…

      In an age of endless money-printing, endless debt, endless intrusion, endless information-gathering and endless surveillance, a middle-man retailer becomes the richest person on earth without having to show a profit. He just has to show information. Torrents of information. And in return, he gets torrents of “liquidity” or “easing” or “stimulus” or “investor confidence”.

      One thing which is not real is the modern heroic capitalist. Jeff Bezos is not real. Jeff Bezos is not hollowing out a mountain he bought so he can put a clock in it. Jeff is the quaint and entertaining excuse for hollowing out a mountain.

      Jeff is a projection. A projection of what? Of the STATE, sillies.

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        OriginalSteve

        Amazon gets into policing via FR.

        “A projection of the state”? looks like it…..

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/04/30/amazons-facial-recognition-technology-is-supercharging-local-police/

        Oregon became a testing ground for Amazon’s facial-recognition policing. But what if Rekognition gets it wrong?

        A Washington County sheriff’s detective, working with the agency’s Special Investigations Unit, ran the store’s surveillance footage through an internal facial-recognition program built by Amazon, revealing a possible match.

        That woman’s license plate was flagged and, three months later, spotted by a narcotics officer in an unmarked SUV who radioed other patrol deputies to stop her. A deputy clapped a pair of handcuffs around her wrists, an arrest report states. She said she’d needed the gas to fix her car.

        Deputies in this corner of western Oregon outside ultraliberal Portland used to track down criminals the old-fashioned way, faxing caught-on-camera images of a suspect around the office in hopes someone might recognize the face.

        Then in late 2017, the Washington County Sheriff’s Office became the first law enforcement agency in the country known to use Amazon’s artificial-intelligence tool Rekognition, transforming this thicket of forests and suburbs into a public testing ground for a new wave of experimental police surveillance techniques.

        “Unproven facial-recognition companies target schools, promising an end to shootings
        Almost overnight, deputies saw their investigative powers supercharged, allowing them to scan for matches of a suspect’s face across more than 300,000 mug shots taken at the county jail since 2001. A grainy picture of someone’s face — captured by a security camera, a social-media account or a deputy’s smartphone — can quickly become a link to their identity, including their name, family and address. More than 1,000 facial-recognition searches were logged last year, said deputies, who sometimes used the results to find a suspect’s Facebook page, visit their home or make an arrest.

        “But Washington County also became ground zero for a high-stakes battle over the unregulated growth of policing by algorithm. Defense attorneys, artificial-intelligence researchers and civil rights experts argue that the technology could lead to the wrongful arrest of innocent people who bear only a resemblance to a video image. Rekognition’s accuracy is also hotly disputed, and some experts worry that a case of mistaken identity by armed deputies could have dangerous implications, threatening privacy and people’s lives.

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          Why not have crimes where every perpetrator, victim, amputee, witness etc is properly trained, accredited and registered? https://crisiscast.com

          CNN and the BBC hate being called out to amateur events. In fact, they won’t go. The need for professionalism is clear.

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    nb

    Culture is where the battle is played out. The rise of anti-left is an important cultural moment.

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    Deano

    This is a funny, well written song that reminds of a song I haven’t heard for yonks and just looked up. It’s about a guy who’s wife becomes a hippie and moves to Byron Bay. It’s “Since Cheryl Went Feral” -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC8Gqqd-v8A

    Plus, I remember a discussion about funny country and western song titles. One was “You’re the Reason Our Kids are Ugly” and the other was “Your Wife’s Been Cheatin’ on Us Again”.

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      hatband

      Country & Western Music,eh?

      Where the fanbase is Women aged 35 to 50, also who the songs are directed to.

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        Carbon500

        Hatband: you’re SO out of touch – ‘where the fanbase is Women aged 35 to 50, also who the songs are directed to!’
        The term ‘country and western’ isn’t used by people who like the variety of styles now generally referred to as ‘country’ – ‘country and western’ is a music industry marketing term.
        Country music encompasses a rich mixture of jazz, blues, old-time dance music, rock and much more. Bluegrass music for example has a following of young men and women, such as mandolin virtuoso Chris Thile and guitarist Molly Tuttle, and the heavily swing jazz-influenced style called ‘western swing’ is alive and thriving.
        Thankfully country music has broken away from the malign controlling effects of the mainstream record industry of years ao, and its rich diversity nowadays reflects that.

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    feral_nerd

    Let me be the first, OK the twentieth, to say: Dude!

    Funny with big ol’ point.

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    GD

    Here’s a transcript of the lyrics for those interested. I missed a few words but did get most of it.

    Well I turned on the television
    and there’s this here extinction rebellion
    talked of climate change and how we’re all gonna die
    Well I said good God and I said good golly
    better get to the Bureau of Meteorology
    and have a look around and see what I can find

    Well I studied tables and I looked at graphs and I read
    the papers and I did the Maths and pretty much
    everything was well within the norm
    and it might have been less but there weren’t no more
    of monsoons, typhoons, hurricanes, cyclones,
    tornadoes and all them other fancy storms

    Well I got back on the road I didn’t wanna be late
    I had to get down town there to demonstrate
    against carbon pollution ‘cos the end of the world is nigh
    but when I arrived to my surprise, right there and then before my eyes
    I became a climate change denier

    Well there were hippies, there were bogans,
    [….] and Mongols chanting slogans
    and Mums and Dads and kids waving signs
    and some hipster dude he super-glued
    himself and some of his friends to the road

    [that bloke had better get out of here,
    right now, better go and get back home)

    Key Change

    Well I'm a patient man, most of the time

    Well I finally made my way out of there
    and I got back home and I sat in my chair
    and I turned on the good 'ole ABC
    with their usual stories of doom and gloom
    mostly attributed to CO2
    and a little bit of […] just for me
    and my toxic masculinity

    Key change

    And I didn’t mean for anyone to take offense
    but I really couldn’t see any evidence
    of the carbon dioxide’s a killer and we’re all gonna die
    Well you think I’m violent, I’m the Devil’s child
    and you’ve branded me a climate change denier

    And as I left that city, let me tell ya’ folks
    things weren’t lookin’ as pretty
    there were police and sirens and hounds all around
    the extinction rebellion were doin’ their best
    to bring the whole thing down
    sure as I got out of town

    Well a friend of mine in New York thinks it’s kosher
    to not retire up in Nova Scotia
    but to head south to the warmth of the Florida Keys
    and I think it’s high time I gonna see it
    we can sit on the beach drinking Margaritas
    and I’ll always whatever think […]

    And so far I ain’t been harmed by rising seas or rare diseases,
    hurricanes and all the other ways you said I’d die
    and every night I sit there on the beach
    and thank my lucky stars that I became

    a climate denier

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      WXcycles

      Good job! Just needs a chord chart now. Went over the lyric, fixed a few errors, added those words you couldn’t decipher, plus added a couple of lines that you missed.

      A Graphic Account of the Climate Crisis – by DanPrawn

      Well I turned on the television
      and there’s this here extinction rebellion
      talkin’ climate-change and how we’re all gonna die
      Well I said good God and I said good golly
      better get to the Bureau of Meteorology
      and have a look around and see what I can find

      Well I studied tables and I looked at graphs and I read
      the papers and I did the math and pretty much
      everything was well within the norm
      and it might have been less but there weren’t no more
      of monsoons, typhoons, hurricanes, cyclones,
      tornadoes and all them other fancy storms

      Well I got back on the road I didn’t wanna be late
      I had to get down town there to demonstrate
      against carbon pollution ‘cos the end of the world is nigh
      but when I arrived to my surprise, right there and then before my eyes
      I became a climate-change denier

      Well there were Hippies, there were Bogans,
      banging bongos, chanting slogans,
      and Mums and Dads and kids waving signs
      and some hipster dude he super-glued
      himself and some of his friends to the road

      That bloke had better get out of here,
      right now, better go and get back home

      (key change)

      And I’m a patient man … most of the time …

      Well I finally made my way out of there
      and I got back home and I sat in my chair
      and I turned on the good ‘ole ABC
      with their usual stories of doom and gloom
      mostly attributed to CO2
      and a little bit of blame left over just for me
      … and my toxic masculinity

      (key change)

      Think I better cool down …

      And I didn’t mean for anyone to take offense
      but I really couldn’t see any evidence
      the carbon dioxide’s a killer, we’re all gonna die
      Well you think I’m vile, I’m the Devil’s child
      and you’ve branded me a climate change denier

      And as I left that city, let me tell ya’ folks
      things weren’t lookin’ pretty
      there were police and sirens and violence all around
      the extinction rebellion were doin’ their best
      to bring the whole thing down
      sure glad I got out of town

      Well a friend of mine in New York thinks it’s kosher
      to not to retire up in Nova Scotia
      but to head on south to the warmth of the Florida Keys
      and I think it’s high time I go and see it
      we can sit on the beach drinking Margaritas
      and I’ll always whatever thank Heaven’s God for me

      And so far I ain’t been harmed by rising seas or rare diseases,
      hurricanes and all the other ways he said I’d die
      and every night I sit there on the beach
      thank my lucky stars that I became …
      a climate-change denier

      It’s getting a bit cold out here, why don’t we …
      put another log on the fire

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        dp

        Key of D. Chords: I IV V pattern, D, G, A. Embellish as desired. Don’t use a delay/reverb/echo effect that is longer than the syllabic rate or it will all run together.

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    Kalm Keith

    “A class act at every level”.

    A response to comment about the mystery energy source;

    http://joannenova.com.au/2020/01/global-patsy-since-1990-each-australian-have-already-cut-co2-emissions-by-40/#comment-2257098

    Read on down to get the bigger picture.

    KK

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    PeterS

    With so much fake data and predictions dumped on us by the alarmists it’s easy to make fun of them. The trouble is they keep doing it unabated so what’s the point? No one of high enough authority is calling out it’s all a deliberate hoax. Every one of them are on the same bandwagon telling us we must reduce our emissions. More and more of them are now proclaiming we must do much more to save the planet. The tricks and lies keep coming from BOM, CSIRO, etc.. The joke is on us as long as we keep voting either LNP+Greens or LNP to form a majority government.

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      Dennis

      And Union’s Labor that also donates to the Greens, and to the GetUp activist organisation.

      So where is the viable alternative?

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        Dennis

        In my opinion the only hope we now have is for the centre-right Liberal and National MPs to complete the cleaning out of their centre-left colleagues and executives and regain control completely.

        MPs such as Andrew Hastie, Senator Tom Molan, Craig Kelly and others, I suspect that they are the patriots who are determined to rid Australia of the socialism and globalism.

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          PeterS

          Not going to happen. The rot has set in permanently and the propaganda on CAGW is too widespread and strong scaring the major parties into following the agenda to keep reducing our emissions. The only alternative is for the people to wake up and support another party with the right policy on energy and understands that CAGW is a hoax. Such a party won’t have enough support to form majority government for a variety of reasons but it would allow them to control the balance of power and support the major party that changes their mind on climate change. That would clearly have to be the LNP. All that won’t happen though; most people don’t care or can’t be bothered to study the facts and make up their own decision. So we are stuck with the only other scenario to wake people up; crash and burn.

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            el gordo

            ‘ … most people don’t care or can’t be bothered to study the facts and make up their own decision.’

            That is true, which is why we need a Royal Commission so that it has the same impact on the public psyche as the Banking Royal Commission.

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              Rupert Ashford

              Don’t get your hopes up. The terms of reference will be set in such a way and the persons leading the inquiry will be selected carefully to ensure the outcome is exactly in line with what the powers that be wants, i.e. give us more of your money…

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                el gordo

                If its a white wash then our democracy has failed, ready for the takeover.

                ‘How is this allowed to happen?’ Chinese company is given the green light to run a water mining operation in drought-ravaged Queensland – while desperate residents are forced to take 90-second showers.’ Daily Mail

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                hatband

                The facts are a little more nuanced.

                The Water Mined is intended for a Bottling Plant on the Gold Coast.

                It’s still a disgrace, plus Stanthorpe is a National Party stronghold, but there’s

                no case for mining water so the 15,000 people in Southern Downs Shire can use

                80L/day for showers, laundry, and sanitation either.

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            Geoffrey Williams

            Unfortunately our politicians allow perceived public opinion to to set their agenda for obvious reasons;
            And we all know that ‘public opinion’ is controlled by the left dominated media.
            It’s like a vicious circle & don’t see much hope of change . . .
            GeoffW

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              el gordo

              All true and correct, but we mustn’t despair, opportunity may come with the Royal Commission. All we want is a debate on whether or not this bushfire season was made worst by human induced global warming.

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              glen Michel

              Absolutely.

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            Kalm Keith

            Too many of the Elite have a finger in the pie to let it crash.

            MalEx444 is the most obvious with John Hewson (how could anybody be such an obvious sellout) and many high profile, in the know figures.

            Their investment must not be allowed to fail.

            KK

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              PeterS

              That was the case for the GFC. However, next time there is a financial crisis of even greater magnitude the West will be left with only one option; a complete reset with a likely dictatorial government where democracy is sacrificed in the name of national security.

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          hatband

          Now, I know it’s considered poor form to make sport of a person’s appearance, but by the

          looks of him, the only thing on Craig Kelly’s mind, is ridding Canberra’s Bakeries

          of Dog’s Eyes.

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            el gordo

            Here is the latest from the Guardian looking at Joyce, see how the authors frame it. What is your impression?

            ‘After leading the charge against the carbon price, Joyce has since acknowledged climate change is real and happening. Yet he continues to float debunked theories.

            “There are a range of things that affect the climate and, on a global scale, you should be part of it, and acknowledge it would have an effect and I acknowledge that there are other issues as well,” he told Sky News on 11 November.

            “There’s just the oscillation of the seasons. There’s a change in the magnetic field of the sun.”

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              hatband

              Well, if he’s acknowledging that Climate Change is real, which Craig Kelly also agreed

              to when quizzed by Piers Morgan, then i’d say his credibility on the subject is zero,

              and he ought to be regarded as Controlled Opposition.

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              AndyG55

              I generally take basically EVERYTHING in the Gruniad as being FAKE, twisted and/or just downright UNTRUTHFUL.

              Save time reading it.

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    [...] Jo Nova, a fun response! With a mention of the ABC, Share this:TwitterFacebookGoogleRedditLinkedIn This entry was posted [...]

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      AndyG55

      Jo’s song shows actual data….

      Yours shows .. NOTHING.. except ad homs.

      Nothing unusual there, hey. ;-)

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        hatband

        Says the commenter whose Stock-in-Trade is Ad Homs.

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          AndyG55

          and we get a response from another NO EVIDENCE ranter.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          It’s interesting with Andy, that whatever he asserts you don’t have, like evidence, logic etc, he fails to display in his comments. For example, “Jo’s song shows actual data….” (ignoring the copyright violation, it is not Jo’s song) where is this actual data?

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            AndyG55

            So you still insist on letting us all know that you are incapable of presenting anything in the way of scientific evidence.

            And when viewing the video Jo linked to, were so willfully blind that you couldn’t see all the data presented.

            Perhaps in graphical form, data is meaningless to you.

            I know you struggle with comprehension of simple graphs, but really!

            You really are in total denial, aren’t you.?

            [Edited, to delete CAPS yelling and ungramatical flourishes. - Jo]

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            AndyG55

            If you didn’t watch Jo’s video (ie the one she linked),

            or just closed your eyes in willful blindness,

            you would have missed all the graphically presented data.

            Alternatively were just so dumb as to be totally incapable of comprehending of any of it.

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            Fred Streeter

            “ignoring the copyright violation, it is not Jo’s song”

            You are having difficulty with possessives lately.

            “Jo’s song” means “The song that Jo has posted”.

            Capiche?

            “where is this actual data?”

            Pause the video when you get to the drawings and writing.

            You should be able to determine their source, and that is where the data is.

            Simples!

            Off you go.

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            AndyG55

            “evidence, logic”

            Oh I didn’t know you knew what those words meant

            You have never shown you possess either.

            STILL waiting for that empirical evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.

            Waiting Waiting !! YAWNNNNnnnnnnnᶯᶯᶯᶯᶯᶯᶯ

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      Travis T. Jones

      “This one is better”

      All that green money carbon (sic) spewing production, Dan does it better on a dime.

      If it wasn’t for double standards, doomsday climate zombies wouldn’t have any standards at all.

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    Jonesy

    From this day forth….

    Worshippers of the trace gas and false green marxists and their brigades of national park associations …

    …shall be branded as

    KOALA KILLERS

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    Big Al

    The summary is this:

    – A lot of very young people are showing clear signs of mental disorder; probably induced by some adults who should no better than to abuse children
    – Some adults, supposedly, seem to be disturbing the peace without regard for the overwhelming majority; some of those alleged adults are clearly crazy
    – The average of the frequency and severity of hurricanes, tornadoes, typhoons and cyclones seems to be unchanged; if anything, trending downwards
    – Average global temperature (what ever that means?) is trending up, ever so slightly; 0.5 degrees C over 40 years hardly seems like an ‘emergency’, let alone the end of the world
    – Climate models seem to be way too pessimistic about the earth’s atmospheric temperature compared to ‘real’ measurements
    – Causes of Oz bushfires are mainly (85%) due to human activity – accidental, deliberate, suspicious (meaning there is no natural phenomena to account for the ignition source)
    – Drought is a natural phenomena in Oz; nothing unusual about the current ‘big dry’, nor across the globe
    – The Boxing Day Test cricket was not extinguished this year; as ‘researchers’ have suggested for future years
    – I’m quite chuffed to think that a female (an ABC reporter at that) thinks my masculinity can affect the weather – really?!
    – The temperature of the earth has hardly changed for the last 10,000 years; and, may well be headed for the next ice age before too long
    – Helios has a lot to do with the globe’s temperature – if the sun don’t shine, it gets cold; period
    – CO2 levels are rising, with remarkable CORRELATIONS that would seem a significant benefit to man, and nature too:
    . increased corn yields
    . increased cereal yields
    . fewer people living in poverty
    . longer life expectancy
    . more Polar Bears than there were 70 years ago; contrary to the world’s No.1 charlatan’s (sometimes known as Gory Al) prognostications
    – The number of temperature related deaths in the UK are inversely proportional – as the temperature goes up, fewer deaths; as the temperature falls, more deaths

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    TdeF

    On the US Democratic candidate debate “In her closing statement, Warren name-checked the “disability community,” “trans women,” and “black and brown communities,” saying that the latter were disproportionately affected by climate change.

    So Climate Change is discriminatory, anti LGTBIQ, male toxicity, white supremacy and a direct attack on “trans women of color”. At least according to truthful Fauxcohontas Warren, a woman of colour throughout her career. Whatever that means.

    Can it get any sillier? We will see.

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    EternalOptimist

    I liked that vid. well done.

    for a few moments it sounded like johnny cash.

    or should I say , the great inventor, johnny cash.

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    David Maddison

    The case is demonstrated with a lot of graphs.

    Do you think your typical Green or Labor voter or anyone born after about 1970 would understand?

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      Big Al

      That’s why above at #27 I thought I’d convert the pictures to words so the morons might have a chance (albeit slim at that) of understanding the fundamentals of their developmental inadequacies.

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    pat

    meanwhile, theirABC is still busy impeaching Trump – usual great choice of guest:

    AUDIO: 10m16s: 16 Jan: ABC Breakfast: Trump impeachment articles sent to Senate as new evidence emerges
    Presenter: Tom Tilley
    Guest: E J Dionne, ***senior fellow, Brookings Institute
    (NOT DISCLOSED: WaPo VETERAN, ex-NYT, commentator for NPR, MSNBC, and PBS. Wikipedia: He has joined the left-liberal The National Memo news-politics website. Dionne has been criticized for his statements regarding the NRA, calling them “terrorists” in a 2012 op-ed published in the Washington Post after the Sandy Hook shooting)
    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/trump-impeachment-articles-sent-to-senate,-new-evidence-emerges/11872248

    behind paywall, but almost entirely Trump’s a racist:

    28 July 2019: WaPo: Kicking Trump out is the important thing. Fights over how to do it shouldn’t get in the way
    By E.J. Dionne Jr.
    Trump is not a political genius. He is president because of our outdated and undemocratic electoral college. What he is skilled at is taking advantage of his opponents’ weaknesses, sowing division in their ranks — and setting Americans against each other.
    Think about what the Russians, in alliance with the Trump campaign, did in 2016…
    And let there be no doubt that if Trump were not a Republican, his GOP apologists in Congress would be clamoring to throw him out of office for running a campaign that cooperated with a Russian dictator’s agents to win, and for lying about it…

    6 Oct 2019: Newsbusters: WashPost’s Dionne: MSM Scandal Coverage Too Fair to Trump, Must Skip Air for Trump’s Side
    By Mark Finkelstein
    This might sound like a sick joke—if not a Kafkaesque nightmare—but E.J. Dionne of the Washington Post is actually complaining that the problem with the MSM’s impeachment coverage is that it has been . . . too fair to President Trump.
    Appearing on Joy Reid’s MSNBC show today [guest-hosted by Jonathan Capehart], Dionne began by approvingly citing Washington Post media columnist Margaret Sullivan’s latest, in which she claims that the MSM have not done “nearly enough” in pushing back against Trump surrogates. She demands: “the mainstream media must end its addiction to both-sides journalism.” She’s always claiming that opposing Trump makes you the “reality-based press.”

    Dionne echoed that, saying: “there are moments in politics when one party has an interest in the truth, and the other party has an interest in falsehood. President Trump lies! It’s not partisan for the media to be partisan toward the truth.”
    Translation: the MSM should be partisan toward the Democrats, because they’re for “the truth.”
    Shawna Thomas, a former senior producer with Meet the Press, now the DC bureau chief for Vice News, seconded Dionne/Sullivan, saying: “objectivity does not mean both-sidesism.” In other words, to be “objective,” the MSM should trumpet the Dem take and bury the Republican response…
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mark-finkelstein/2019/10/06/wapos-dionne-msm-impeachment-coverage-too-fair-trump-should-be

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      AndyG55

      As far as I can see, Trump hasn’t committed any impeachable offenses.

      Seem the Democrats also think that is the truth.

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      TdeF

      How totally lacking in self awareness can you get “the mainstream media must end its addiction to both-sides journalism”? Anyone who thinks the media are impartial needs urgent therapy. Then to use this as an argument to end impartiality is perverse.

      Gone are the days of critical thinking in journalism.

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    Okay. So say 7ft or say 2m. I’m sure there’s a difference, but it isn’t much.

    Why am I talking about 7ft?

    Well, that’s the elevation of Jupiter, Florida, which is right on the coast in the direct firing line of all that sea level rise that’s coming. In Hurricane Alley!

    And Jupiter, Florida is the home of the new Voloridge Sustainability Fund which, to quote Bloomberg, “will focus on companies affected by events such as floods, fires and natural disasters; firms that invest in efficient technologies; and electric-car makers and their suppliers.”

    Of course, Voloridge Investment Management will go on investing in private prisons, Pepsi, Exxon, Cheetos…whatever, just like Bill and Melinda or Bill and Hill…but it’s nice to know that one niche of the business is there to short the nasties. It’s just so sad that that the Voloridge Sustainability Fund will be swallowed by the ocean in a few years, just like its uncaring parent.

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    Tibbles

    More hottest on record propaganda. These are coming out almost weekly now. They are definitely co-ordinated:

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6582802/the-last-10-years-have-been-the-hottest-on-record/?cs=14225

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    pat

    only a critique from TonyfromOz can do this justice.

    AUDIO: 15 Jan: ABC Nightlife with Suzanne Hill
    https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/nightlife/nightlife/11853696

    3h5m15s: Issue of the Day: is it time for Australia to get out of coal, and quickly, or continue to invest in it?
    Suzanne read Blackrock’s Larry Fink CAGW signalling – manages AU$10 trillion worlwide, if you can even think about how much money that is! activists have been targetting BlackRock for months. “analysts” suggest other big investment funds will follow suit.
    3h19m15s: caller Nicholas, CAGW sceptic. has a good say, but Suzanne keeps reminding him it’s not a debate about CAGW, it’s about getting out of coal.
    3h27m: Tony on rightwing Peta Credlin’s “crap”. gotta fight against rightwing fascist liars (no reprimand from Suzanne) who cherry-pick. gotta stop coal. next caller agrees with Tony, says Germany transitioned from coal, didn’t lose a job.
    3h33m Suzanne finally corrects caller’s claim Germany has got out of coal. then last caller Mark with some pragmatic words. ENDS 3h36m50s.

    the presenter, Suzanne Hill – a travelling fool:

    ABC: Suzanne Hill
    Suzanne worked the airwaves in Tamworth, Wollongong, Port Macquarie, Bundaberg, Albury Wodonga, Mildura, Broken Hill and Port Pirie after leaving her home town of Adelaide in 1996…
    Since moving to Sydney, Suzanne’s worked mainly on Nightlife, where she is now Executive Producer, but has taken every opportunity possible to get on air, with lengthy stints on Overnights, plus programmes ranging from Australia All Over to numerous Christmas Day and Anzac Day programmes.
    ***Something of a nomad, Suzanne’s a keen world traveller and has backpacked around 75 countries and lived in London and Toronto, as well as a short and somewhat concerning stint working on a reality tv programme at a seedy resort in the Greek Islands.
    Her most recent trip was to Ethiopia in September 2017, where she managed to get into national television…
    In her down-time these days Suzanne busy trying to indoctrinate her 3 year old son with a love of history and ***travel, and is happy to report that she’s largely succeeding.
    https://www.abc.net.au/radio/people/suzanne-hill/7989302

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      pat

      15 Jan: Guardian: New Cumbria coalmine ‘incompatible’ with climate crisis goals
      Facility threatens UK’s aim to reach net-zero carbon emissions by 2050, report says
      by Nazia Parveen
      Britain’s first new deep coalmine in 30 years is unnecessary and incompatible with UK climate ambitions, according to a report.
      The £165m Woodhouse colliery in Cumbria was given cross party-backing in March 2019, leading to protests from climate campaigners who said the mine would harm the UK’s efforts to reduce CO2 emissions.

      Now a report by the independent thinktank the Green Alliance has found the colliery, along the coast from Whitehaven, will hold back the development of low-carbon steelmaking.
      The report, authored by two university professors who specialise in environmental issues, claims that opening a new coalmine would hinder this strategy by ensuring the continued availability of ***cheap coal…

      Prof Rebecca Willis and Mike Berners-Lee from Lancaster University, say the mine would produce 8.4m tonnes of CO2 per year, equivalent to the emissions from more than 1 million households…
      Councillors who backed proposals for the undersea mine said it would create vital jobs. It is expected to employ 500 people, with an estimated 2,000 more jobs created in its supply chain.

      But Berners-Lee, a leading expert in carbon footprinting and the brother of internet pioneer Sir Tim, said the emphasis should be on creating green jobs…
      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/15/new-cumbria-coalmine-incompatible-with-climate-crisis-goals

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    pat

    some more humour:

    15 Jan: WashingtonExaminer: ‘Out of context’: AOC backtracks on claim climate change will end world in 12 years
    by John Gage
    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez criticized Sen. Rand Paul after he claimed she said the world would end in 12 years if nothing is done about climate change.
    “Hey Senator! Would you like me to also take your comments out of context and pose them as your earnest position, as you have chosen to do with me?” the New York Democrat wrote Wednesday. “I assume the answer is yes, especially given that the GOP climate agenda is about as fictional as Spaceballs anyway.”…

    Paul, 57, attacked Ocasio-Cortez’s position on climate change earlier in the day. “No @AOC the world will not end in 12 years but we must, absolutely must do something, over the next 500 million years,” he tweeted. “Some say we should develop a space shield to protect us from the sun’s increased luminosity. I’m not against that but it will only be a temporary respite maybe a few million years. I do think we should also begin genetically altering O2 producing organisms to send to Saturn’s Titan and possibly the closest planets outside of our solar system. What say you AOC?”

    The freshman congresswoman said a year ago her generation believes the “world is going to end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change.” In May, Ocasio-Cortez said Republicans should not take all of her statements too literally…
    “This is a technique of the GOP, to take dry humor + sarcasm literally and ‘fact check’ it,” she said. “Like the ‘world ending in 12 years’ thing, you’d have to have the social intelligence of a sea sponge to think it’s literal. But the GOP is basically Dwight from The Office so who knows.”…

    Ocasio-Cortez introduced her Green New Deal resolution last February, which seeks to overhaul the United States’s approach to climate change and the economy. The freshman congresswoman’s chief of staff later stated her Green New Deal plan was originally not “a climate thing” but “a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.”
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/out-of-context-aoc-backtracks-on-claim-climate-change-will-end-world-in-12-years

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    pat

    behind paywalls:

    Lithium volatilty sends shockwaves through supply chains
    Financial Times – 21 hours ago
    Last month, Nemaska filed for protection from its creditors, following a collapse in the price of lithium hydroxide, a key component in batteries for electric vehicles. The shares, down 93 per cent from the peak, have stopped trading and the company is set to be kicked off the Toronto exchange…

    15 Jan: UK Times: Electric Britain: Britain battles to join the gigafactories race
    The UK has none of the enormous battery plants needed to power the next generation of cars, writes Robert Lea
    By 2025 Britain will need two or three big battery production plants, so-called gigafactories, capable of powering the 500,000 hybrid and pure electric vehicles that are due to be built each year in the UK. So says the government agency charged with preparing the country for the electric revolution. At the moment, though, there is only one small facility, in Sunderland, supplying fewer than 50,000 Nissan Leaf cars.

    None of the global battery makers — LG Chem and Samsung, of South Korea, CATL, of China, or Panasonic, of Japan — appears to be planning a big factory in the UK. Tesla is investing in Germany rather than Britain. Yet Jaguar Land Rover, Nissan, BMW, which builds Minis and Rolls-Royces, and Toyota are all committed to building hybrid and electric cars in the UK. Each will want battery production close at hand…

    15 Jan: UK Times: Power cut on subsea cable will cost customers £5m
    by Mike Wade
    The Western HVDC Link interconnector, once described by ministers as the perfect symbol of Britain’s single electricity market, tripped on Friday, leaving consumers to pay constraint payments to wind farm companies. The money is paid by the National Grid but is ultimately charged to consumers through their electricity bills.
    The link is a main element in the Scottish government’s green energy strategy, routing electricity south and enabling imports when generation in Scotland is low. Scottish Power and National Grid confirmed that the link had come offline during high winds and at a time of demand because of the cold weather…

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      mostly, the following is from UK Times’s “Electric Britain” series. Times announced some time ago they were campaigning for EVs. behind paywalls:

      13 Jan: UK Times: Electric Britain: Electric cars: Will Times readers lead the charge?
      by Janice Pereira
      Electric cars enjoyed their biggest year to date last year. The industry has collectively committed to spending $225 billion to electric vehicle (EV) investments over the next few years. However, there’s also a problem facing the industry: a growing gap between supply and consumer demand. An analysis by Deloitte suggests that a significant increase in the level of EV production is unsustainable as it forecasts supply will further surpass demand with some manufacturers potentially going out of business beyond 2030.
      To find out what is driving consumer behaviour among our readership, The Times surveyed more than 1,300 readers on their perception of electric cars and analysed their responses…

      13 Jan: UK Times: Electric Britain: Electric cars: What is the future of the market?
      In the first of a six-part series Robert Lea reports on the next generation of affordable models set to launch
      By the end of last year, 19 battery electric plug-in cars were on general sale in the UK, ranging from the sub-£20,000 electric Smart cars with ranges of less than 70 miles to the top of the range Tesla around £80,000, claiming a range on a single charge of more than 300 miles…
      In 2019, nearly 38,000 pure electric cars were registered in the UK…

      13 Jan: UK Times: Electric Britain: Electric cars: What is the future of the market?
      In the first of a six-part series Robert Lea reports on the next generation of affordable models set to launch
      By the end of last year, 19 battery electric plug-in cars were on general sale in the UK, ranging from the sub-£20,000 electric Smart cars with ranges of less than 70 miles to the top of the range Tesla around £80,000, claiming a range on a single charge of more than 300 miles…
      In 2019, nearly 38,000 pure electric cars were registered in the UK…

      13 Jan: UK Times: Electric Britain: ‘Scrap VAT to rev up sales of electric cars’
      by Graeme Paton
      Radical change was needed because too many drivers were still put off green cars by high buying prices, it was said. The AA said that ministers had to go further than the present £3,500 grant offered to motorists to help them to buy the cars.
      Electric cars can cost at least £10,000 more than their petrol and diesel equivalents and analysts say that the price gap is unlikely to narrow for several years…

      14 Jan: UK Times Editorial: The Times view on zero-emission cars: Electric Avenue
      The economy and the environment require big investment

      NOT SO FAST:

      7 Jan: UK Times: Electric cars lack spark to halt sales fall
      by Robert Lea
      Latest industry figures show that electric car sales — those of pure electric, plug-in hybrids and hybrid electrics — have reached 7.3 per cent of the market, or one in every thirteen registrations…
      The figures, from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, show that the take-up of pure electric cars has some way to reach the mainstream…
      In 2019 37,850 pure electric cars were sold. That represents only 1.6 per cent of the total market…

      13 Jan: Guardian: Polluting vehicles could be pulled from UK sale, say carmakers
      New fines for breaches on CO2 limits will clash with Britons’ taste for higher-emission SUVs
      by Jasper Jolly
      Carmakers could pull models from the UK, the automotive industry has warned, as Britain’s taste for polluting vehicles clashes with the difficulty of meeting post-Brexit carbon dioxide limits.
      Under new EU rules, average carbon dioxide emissions of almost all cars sold in 2020 and 2021 across the single market, including the UK, must fall below 95g a kilometre, with heavy fines for carmakers that miss individual targets designed to meet the goal.

      The heavier, fuel-inefficient SUVs favoured by Britons have been offset by the smaller, less polluting cars preferred in countries such as Italy. But after Brexit, when the UK plans to copy EU rules, this will no longer be the case, making a UK-only limit harder to hit…
      The carbon dioxide emissions of cars sold to British consumers rose for the third year in a row in 2019…

      Al Bedwell, an analyst at the car consultancy LMC Automotive, said he expected some higher-polluting models to be withdrawn from sale across both the EU and the UK in the next two years. However, he said major efforts to increase sales of battery electric vehicles (BEVs) might not work in the absence of consumer demand.
      https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/13/polluting-vehicles-could-be-pulled-from-uk-sale-say-carmakers

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        Pat

        “battery electric vehicles (BEVs) ”

        The result of a bad case of inflation hitting the BEVatron?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bevatron

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        Bill In Oz

        The British don’t want to buy electric cars !
        We will make the stubborn British Bastards buy them!
        With higher taxes of petrol & diesel cars
        With higher subsides on EV cars
        And force them to sell their non EV cars for scrap !

        Really ?
        Surely BREXIT & the recent election have show the British public will put the electoral spike
        Up the bums of any dumbnut politician who does not serve their interests.

        This is just propaganda spin sh#t from the EV vested interest circus !

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    disorganise

    Love the song, good fun.

    Once again, as a ‘not quite confident denier’ I find myself sighing over the graphs; Why so many stop in 2015 or earlier? Can’t help but feel stuff is being deliberately hidden :/ – the other side do it too of course, by omitting pre-1910 data.

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    16 Jan: ABC: Reuters: Girl buried in Pakistan avalanche found alive after 18 hours under the snow
    Posted about 2 hours ago
    A 12-year-old girl was found alive after being buried for 18 hours when an avalanche in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir engulfed the family house…
    The death toll from Monday’s avalanches in Pakistan’s Neelum Valley, in the Himalayan region disputed by Pakistan and India, rose to 74, according to Pakistani officials, as rescuers continued to recover bodies…

    Pakistan’s National Disaster Management Authority said the total number of deaths in snow-hit areas over the last couple of days had jumped to 100…

    More heavy snowfall is expected in the region from Friday.
    Another 10 people were killed in the Indian part of the Kashmir valley.
    ***In 2012, an avalanche engulfed a Pakistani army headquarters near the Indian border, killing at least 124 soldiers and 11 civilians.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-16/girl-buried-by-pakistan-avalanche-found-alive-after-18-hours/11872538

    ***ABC/Reuters seem intent on showing it is not unprecedented.
    this is an unfolding tragedy, with much more to come:

    15 Jan: ExpressTribunePakistan: Death toll soars as scale of snow disaster unfolds
    By Mamir/Mohammad Zafar; With input from agencies
    MUZAFFARABAD/QUETTA: Over 100 people are dead and many more injured as the scale of ongoing calamitous snowfall unfolded on Tuesday with most deaths confirmed in a remote valley of Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) where volatile snow triggered multiple avalanches with deadly consequences.
    Pakistani military has mobilised its troops and helicopters to help civil authorities evacuate stranded people, clear clogged roadways and airdrop relief items in the remote valleys ahead of a fresh spell of heavy snow expected on Friday…

    A gigantic mass of snow rolled over a village in the Surgan Bakwali area of Neelum, burying more than two dozen houses under tons of ice. Survivors dug through the snow mass with bare hands, shovels or whatever they could find to retrieve at least 50 bodies. An unspecified number of villagers are still buried underneath.

    Casualties are expected to rise once rescuers arrive by helicopter – the only way to reach the remote valley. Deputy Commissioner Shahid said the ravaged valley is not accessible by road as all land routes are clogged. It’s also perilous to fly helicopters as the snow is too unstable for them to land on…

    Extreme cold weather is likely to strengthen its grip over the next 48 hours, as forecasts suggest harsher weather is on the way. The Met Office on Tuesday issued a warning, highlighting the risk of closure of inter-city roads due to heavy snowfall and rains.

    The Met Office forecast heavy snowfall and rains in Neelum, Bagh, Haveli, Rawalakot, in AJK, Astore, Hunza and Skardu in Gilgit-Baltistan, and Swat, Kohistan, Shangla, Buner, Mansehra, Abbottabad, Galiyat, districts of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, as well as hilly areas of Punjab.
    https://tribune.com.pk/story/2137346/1-death-toll-soars-scale-snow-disaster-unfolds/

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      pat

      ***here we go again. CAGW done it:

      16 Jan: ChinaDaily: Xinhua: Wild winter weather claims 160 lives in Afghanistan, Pakistan
      Search teams helped by Pakistani troops pulled out 21 more bodies from homes destroyed by this week’s avalanches in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, raising the overall death toll due to severe winter weather to 160 for Pakistan and Afghanistan, officials said on Wednesday.
      Since Sunday, 76 people have been killed in Pakistan-controlled part of Kashmir in weather-related incidents and 45 people killed in Pakistan’s southwestern Baluchistan and eastern Punjab provinces. Another 39 people were killed in Afghanistan.
      The worst affected area was Neelum Valley in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, where the 21 bodies were retrieved, said Ahmad Raza Qadri, the minister for disaster management authority in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir…

      ***Saeed ur Rehman Qureshi, another disaster management official, blamed climate change as the major contributor to the unusual weather pattern in the area. “The effect of climate change is so rapid in the area that unexpected weather patterns including torrential rains, cloudbursts, heavy snowfall and avalanches triggered by them are being witnessed in the region,” the official said…
      http://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202001/16/WS5e1fc55ea3101282172715bc.html

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        TdeF

        So Climate Change is frying people in Australia and freezing them in Afghanistan. It’s just so hard to understand how this climate change works. Both are predictable and common annual events made worse somehow by Climate Change. I remain confused as to what it is.

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    RoHa

    Just checked it. So far just over 5,000 views. I’m not sure that counts as “going viral”, but I don’t know the International Standard for Virulence.

    (Though I just checked it again, and it had got another hundred or so views in the time I spent composing this.)

    Slightly off topic, I tracked down this fine rebuttal of major sceptic points.

    http://www.barrettbellamyclimate.com/page49.htm

    Were I not deeply sceptical about everything, I would be convinced. It would be nice to see a response by some suitably qualified children of the devil.

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      TdeF

      The only argument being used is that correlation means causation.

      Perversely there is some truth in that. CO2 does correlate with warming roughly, but because (ocean) warming increases CO2 as 98% of the CO2 is dissolved in the oceans. That is simple physical chemistry, the flat beer effect.

      What is far fetched is the idea that CO2 heats the air which heats the oceans which absorbs more CO2. All of those ideas are unproven conjecture.

      The idea that the oceans are even involved in ‘Climate Change’ has only turned up when the atmosphere refused to heat over the last 20 years, as in the first graph. So it’s onto the next idea when the obvious conclusion is simple. Warming oceans release CO2. Game over.

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        TdeF

        Game over because CO2 levels are not man made.

        So all the carbon taxes, windmills, solar panels, hidden taxes, electric cars and vegan meat are useless for changing CO2 levels, which also should be obvious after three decades of this.

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        Latus Dextro

        The Relationship between Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Concentration and Global Temperature for the Last 425 Million Years
        Jackson Davis, W. Climate 2017, 5, 76; doi:10.3390/cli5040076
        (Truncated) Abstract: Assessing human impacts on climate and biodiversity requires an understanding of the relationship between the concentration of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the Earth’s atmosphere and global temperature (T). Here I explore this relationship empirically using comprehensive, recently-compiled databases of stable-isotope proxies from the Phanerozoic Eon (~540 to 0 years before the present) and through complementary modeling using the atmospheric absorption/transmittance code MODTRAN. Atmospheric CO2 concentration is correlated weakly but negatively with linearly-detrended T proxies over the last 425 million years.

        A prominent 15 million-year CO2 cycle coincides closely with identified mass extinctions of the past, suggesting a pressing need for research on the relationship between CO2, biodiversity extinction, and related carbon policies. This study demonstrates that changes in atmospheric CO2 concentration did not cause temperature change in the ancient climate.

        Nothing new under the sun except deranged ecofare and ideology.
        The climatism Trojan horse is entirely political, Cloward-Piven Strategy on steroids.

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      RoHa

      Incidentally, I love Barret’s description of the Hubris syndrome.

      A narcissistic propensity to see one’s world primarily as an arena in which to exercise power and seek glory
      A disproportionate concern with image and presentation
      A messianic manner
      Excessive confidence in own judgment and contempt for advice
      Exaggerated self-belief, bordering on omnipotence
      A belief that one is accountable solely to history or god
      Loss of contact with reality; often associated with progressive isolation

      We are fortunate that none of the AGW promoters show any signs of this, aren’t we?

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      RoHa

      OK, now it’s 6,300+ views.

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      AndyG55

      Easiest rebuttal to rebutt.

      CO2 does not correlate with temperature.

      And don’t forget, the temperature series they are using has been specifically “adjusted” to match the rise in CO2

      You would have to be very surprised if they didn’t correlate. !!

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    Peter Fitzroy

    CO2 absorbs and readmits IR at the same wavelength that the IR generated by the earth admits. You can calculate how much IR should be making it into space, and confirm the calculations by looking at satellite data.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12065270_Increases_in_greenhouse_forcing_inferred_from_the_outgoing_longwave_radiation_spectra_of_the_Earth_in_1970_and_1997

    This has been known and demonstrated for a long time.

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      Kalm Keith

      Energy is constantly being degraded. For every process or “change” that you imagine there is an energy cost.

      That’s why we have predominantly UV entering Earth’s atmosphere and severely degraded IR leaving.

      KK

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      AndyG55

      WRONG, all it tells us is that CO2 absorbed a thin weak band of frequencies.

      The re-emittance time is several magnitudes slower than collisional time in the lower atmosphere.

      That means that any energy absorbed is immediately thermalised and dealt with by convection.

      CO2 does not and can not affect the gravity controlled thermal gradient or net energy transfer outwards in the atmosphere.

      This is confirmed by the fact that there is still thermal equilibrium throughout the atmosphere as shown convincingly in recent work by the Connolly’s.

      That is why there is NO MEASURED EVIDENCE of warming by increased atmospheric CO2.

      Because it does not exist.

      You are still stuck at the most basic non-understanding of how the atmosphere works.

      As usual, everything you think you know, is PROVABLY WRONG.

      It is your meme. !!

      The Harries paper was also proven wrong and eventually retracted…

      You have been told that before, so stop your regurgitation of old scientific nonsense.

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        Andrew McRae

        The re-emittance time is several magnitudes slower than collisional time in the lower atmosphere. That means that any energy absorbed is immediately thermalised and dealt with by convection.
        CO2 does not and can not affect the gravity controlled thermal gradient

        Hang on, you just said that the atmosphere uses CO2 to absord radiation that would otherwise pass through it. Given these gases aren’t in the same mixing ratios at all altitudes, doesn’t that imply that CO2 did affect the thermal gradient? Because it sounds like you just described the greenhouse effect of CO2.
        Also, surely you are not saying the energy is never re-emitted radiatively just because it didn’t happen immediately? It has to be re-emitted eventually by something, if not CO2 then H2O.

        That’s just at a theoretical level. In terms of actual daily measurements, how do you explain the data for downwelling IR measured at Desert Rock, Nevada, in the middle of winter, at 4am local time?
        https://imgur.com/a/Yt4DcOO
        Not a lot of absolute humidity around at that time. Still 220W/m^2 IR coming down from something. What is that something?

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      AndyG55

      John Daly described how the the results from the Harries 2001 paper were weak, and the only significant result was due to methane in any case and not CO2. Daly also found a media report where Harries said:

      “There is no evidence in the report on whether or not the surface temperature of the Earth is actually rising. Harries said this is because the greenhouse effect could start a climate cycle that forms more clouds, keeping more of the Sun’s rays from reaching Earth.“

      ie. Harries himself acknowledges that his paper can’t tell us much about whether minor greenhouse gases will make much difference to the world’s temperature.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Who is John Daly?

        As to your quotes – Harries is being professional, he is a physicist, and wants to stay in his field.

        Later work on radiative balance
        https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carol_Clayson/publication/260208782_An_update_on_Earth%27s_energy_balance_in_light_of_the_latest_global_observations/links/0f317534ff02eeec16000000.pdf

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          AndyG55

          Oh dear, you are showing your ignorance yet again

          Doubling-down on dumb seems to be your only recourse.

          As a result, the global balance of energy fluxes within the atmosphere or at Earth’s surface cannot be derived directly from measured fluxes, and is therefore uncertain.

          This lack of precise knowledge of surface energy fluxes profoundly affects our ability to understand how Earth’s climate responds to increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases

          Moreover, the latest satellite observations of global precipitation indicate that more precipitation is generated than previously thought. This additional precipitation is sustained by more energy leaving the surface by evaporation — that is, in the form of latent heat flux — and thereby offsets much of the increase in longwave flux to the surface.

          LOL,

          So funny, that you have just produced a paper that shows tells us all the models have been WRONG (not settled science). Did you even read the abstract ? !!

          and that H2O is the primary mover of energy in the atmosphere.

          And then its all about models anyway.

          Thank you so much for your incompetence. :-) :D

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          AndyG55

          “Harries is being professional, he is a physicist, and wants to stay in his field..”

          So you mean he is telling the truth when he says…

          There is no evidence in the report on whether or not the surface temperature of the Earth is actually rising.

          If you don’t know who John Daly is, you really haven’t been paying any attention of real climate science, have you.

          Just post what your handlers send you. No need to think or research for yourself. ;-)

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          AndyG55

          Hilarious,

          Did you even read or comprehend before posting the link ????

          The current uncertainty in this net surface energy balance is large, and amounts to approximately 17Wm–2. This uncertainty is an order of magnitude larger than the changes to the net surface fluxes associated with increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere

          Nice to have you on the REALIST side, even if by total accident.. :-)

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            Sceptical Sam

            He has no ability at comprehension.

            That’s been proven time and again.

            The man’s a fool.

            There’s not yet been anything substantial offered by him in support of his failed “man-made CO2 is the primary driver of global warming” hypothesis.

            And, in any case, even if the temperature has risen, it’s been relatively negligible according to the IPCC:

            The globally averaged combined land and ocean surface temperature data as calculated by a linear trend, show a warming of 0.85 [0.65 to 1.06] °C, over the period 1880 to 2012, when multiple independently produced datasets exist.

            The total increase between the average of the 1850–1900 period and the 2003–2012 period is 0.78 [0.72 to 0.85] °C, based on the single longest dataset available”

            https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_SPM_FINAL.pdf

            0.78 C° over 162 years. Quick. Panic.

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              Deplorable Lord Kek

              0.78 C° over 162 years. Quick. Panic.

              And all since the end of the little ice age.

              The alarmists would clearly prefer everything to be covered in snow.

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          AndyG55

          And

          The uncertainty is also approximately an order of magnitude larger than the current estimates of the net surface energy imbalance of 0.6 ±0.4 Wm–2

          Good one !! :D

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          Fred Streeter

          Has Climate Science progressed no further in the following 9 years?

          My take:

          Models are inaccurate.

          Measurements are inaccurate.

          Data need to be integrated.

          Results that should correlate, don’t.
          (By an order of magnitude!)

          More, co-ordinated, research is required.

          The state of affairs in Climate Science, circa 2012, was a dog’s dinner.

          How refreshing to have honest Climate Scientists.

          Well done, Graeme Stephens.

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      Deplorable Lord Kek

      That sort of argument might pass in a pub (or at the ABC), but not here:

      In a new paper, Kennedy and Hodzic, 2019 summarize the lack of real-world, observational support for the claim CO2 molecules elicit planetary heating in the process of explicating their postion that water vapor is the gas that dominates the Earth’s greenhouse effect.

      They point out that the “critical assumption” that CO2 molecules reduce outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) to warm the Earth’s surface “lacks empirical confirmation.”

      http://pen.ius.edu.ba/index.php/pen/article/view/437/350

      https://notrickszone.com/2020/01/06/scientists-the-co2-greenhouse-warming-effect-rides-on-mere-assumption-and-lacks-empirical-verification/

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    TdeF

    And there is something which has always interested me, the little bumps in the CO2 graph. What causes these?

    Now we are told the entire rise in CO2 is man made. This is measurable and not true but if we leave that known science aside, consider just for the sake of argument that we accept the steady increase in CO2 is man made. So what then are these bumps? Bushfires? BBQ season? Deciduous trees? Dead grasses?

    There is one cycle per year, so what causes it and why is it obviously smooth and seasonal? If it was the Northern Hemisphere winter fall, the death of all the uncountable leaves and grasses in most of the inhabited world counts about as much as 3 years of alleged human CO2 output. Does that fit?

    Most calculations show human output of 29Gtons/year and the biosphere a massive 450Gtons/year in and out. So our contribution should be barely noticeable with the biosphere 15x the human output per year.

    However the graph indicates that massive ‘human’ change is as big as the annual seasonal change in CO2 just three years. So we are out a factor of 5 to use seasonal changes to explain the rapid CO2 change.

    Another explanation is that ocean surface temperature is only responsible for the growth in CO2 but seasonal surface temperature changes are responsible for the little bumps?
    It would be interesting to see the Southern Hemisphere graph and if there is a phase change of six months.

    What we may be looking at is Henry’s Law, both for the 50% increase and the small bumps. And our bushfires, volcanoes and other events will not even show as a blip on the smooth curve. If the average water surface temperature graph was available, you could compare the overall rise with the bump size and be definite. They could be manifestations of exactly the same thing. Henry’s Law working on long term ocean surface temperature increase with seasonal changes superimposed.

    If both could be fitted with the same number, say Henry’s coefficient, that would prove firstly that the increase is entirely natural and secondly that man made CO2 is irrelevant. In fact it is only the insistence by the IPCC that highly soluble CO2 stays in the thin air above the water forever which justifies their existence. Except when it goes into the water and then it is the dreaded ‘Ocean Acidification’ which is odd as no ocean is acid.

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      RoHa

      “the little bumps in the CO2 graph. What causes these?”

      Happens every time someone opens a beer.

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      Google could have saved you writing all that and boring the rest of us reading conjecture about a well known phenomenon.

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      Peter Fitzroy

      TdeF – if you agree that prior to 1900 the level of CO2 in the atmosphere had been remarkably stable (but with the bumps I assume). then the most obvious explanation is that the carbon was cycling through all the various earth systems, but with no net changes. So when it changes, ie goes up, you could assume that more is entering the atmosphere than is leaving it. the next question is where is that coming from? Isotopes answer that question

      By the way those bumps? Down to the uptake of CO2 during the northern hemisphere growing season, which due to the landmass concentration is much larger than that of the southern hemisphere

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        TdeF

        Thanks. They put it down to the consensus opinion thatthe variati ons are “widely attributed to the temperature moderated photosynthesis/respiration cycle of Northern Hemisphere forests.” So it is all plants. And the differences entirely to the Inter Hemisphere partial gas pressures. They could be completely wrong, which is my point.

        Again they note the problems with amplitude and phase “However, surface–air terrestrial flux anomalies would
        need to be up to an order of magnitude larger than found to explain the peak and dip CO2 difference variations. Features throughout the composite CO2 difference records are inconsistent in timing and amplitude with air–surface fluxes but are largely consistent with interhemispheric transport variations.

        So the problems are put down to Inter Hemispherical partial pressure differences. If I understand this it means they are explaining away the problems using the eddy currents and inter hemispherical exchanges.

        There may be a far simpler explanation, as I suggest. It reminds me of the complex models of planetary motion which existed before Copernicus. They could do everything except explain retrograde motion. And that was the only problem with the view that all the bodies in space rotated around the Earth, not the sun.

        It could be entirely wrong.

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          TdeF

          Although my reference is from a Dec 2019 paper. Could you please supply the reference for the graph showing a fit?

          I am very suspicious of the fit, that it may be analysis not prediction. Clearly there are forces at work which are far greater than little things like the Australian/Californian/Brazilian and Indonesian fires and the occasional volcano. That may be why the curves are so good but they are just too clean and regular even down to little bumps and plant respiration. They should be much more erratic.

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            TdeF

            And the smooth, predictable regularity year after year suggests planetary level forces, not minor biosphere events or human activity. Rather things like solar input, winter and summer and the response of the massively heavy mobile heat sinks which are the vast oceans which cover the planet. Those cycles would be smooth, predictable and independent of human activity and even the terrestial biosphere.

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        Peter C

        Thanks Andy,

        That graph makes the differences in CO21 at Cape Grim and Mauna Loa very clear.

        As to the cause! Well the variations are not likely to be due to changes in burning fossil fuels. Is it due to plant growth or Ocean out gassing or something else?

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    Latus Dextro

    Definitely. Ox is male, cow, female.
    Oxleymoron is not masquerading as an Alliteration – X X

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    Roverdriver

    Thanks for posting, Jo. Clever lyrics and I have copied the Youtube link and shared it. It was not easy to find it on Youtube- the normal type of search would not locate it, but eventually I managed to get it to send.

    Should anyone else want to find the link, I ‘shared’ it to my Facebook, then located it from there.

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    pat

    VIDEO: 29s: 15 Jan: ABC: Saudi Arabia’s north-west desert covered in snow after unusual winter storm
    By Zena Chamas
    Video: Camels stand in the snow-covered desert
    A powerful storm bringing sub-zero temperatures has transformed parts of the Saudi Arabian desert into a winter wonderland.
    Residents of Tabuk, 193 kilometres from the Red Sea, awoke to see the region’s dry desert coated in white snow, leaving many in awe…
    Photo:While snow is rare, Saudi Arabia last had falls in April last year. (Reuters)

    But despite the large amount of social media posts from residents, many users questioned the authenticity of the videos.
    While snow is rare in Saudi Arabia, it is not completely out of the ordinary.
    The country last experienced comparable snowfall in April last year…

    “This same storm system then tracked farther east and caused deadly flooding and heavy snow, with avalanches from Iran into Pakistan and Afghanistan,” Mr Leister said…
    Severe cold and heavy snow has also led to the death of 39 people in six provinces of Afghanistan in the past two weeks.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-15/saudi-arabian-desert-covered-in-snow-by-powerful-storm/11871048

    VIDEO: 2m50s: CityNews1130 Canada: STORM CENTRE: High winds, more snow, and warnings to drivers
    by Kathryn Tindale
    But wait, there’s more! @bchydro is preparing for “possible major snow and wind events” on Vancouver Island and the South Coast…
    Please be aware that due to inclement weather the Skyride, Downhill Area, all mountaintop activities and Chalet facilities will be closing for 6pm this evening. With all this new snow we look forward to welcoming you back tomorrow…
    FOLLOWED BY:
    Vancouver City Councillor wants more to be done to remove snow and ice from pedestrian areas
    by Tarnjit Parmar and Jonathan Szekeres
    VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) – As Vancouver tries to dig itself out of the latest dumping of snow, one councillor wants the city to do a better job for all the pedestrians in the area…
    https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/01/15/storm-centre-high-winds-more-snow-and-warnings-to-drivers/

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    pat

    15 Jan: StepFeed: Below Zero: The unprecedented drop in temperatures across the GCC
    “I’ve lived in Dubai for ten years and this winter is just something else,” a resident told us.
    By Mariam Nabbout
    Double-digit temperatures were considered as cold as it gets in Gulf countries for decades. People would actually laugh about how everyone living in the region considered a temp reading of 18 °C as freezing … but we can now say the joke’s on them.

    The past few winters have been pretty harsh in several Gulf states including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the UAE.
    Winters in previous decades were pretty cold in Saudi Arabia but nothing like what we’re witnessing in the past three years.
    The weather conditions hit their harshest this year, with temperatures dropping to an unprecedented 3°C in the capital Riyadh. Areas where winters are known to be cooler in the kingdom, including Tabuk and Al Qasim, have been recording sub-zero temperatures.
    Snow has been increasingly hitting cities where it rarely fell before. Rainfall has also been increasing in volume and resulting in huge floods in several areas…

    You feel as if you’re in the farthest point of North Canada when you’re actually in Tabuk.”
    “We can’t say winters in the kingdom were dry before because there have been a few cold ones but nothing compared to the last four to five years,” Lina, a Jeddah resident, told StepFeed.

    Things aren’t so different in Riyadh this year, Jamal, a 29-year-old Saudi engineer, confirmed in a statement.
    “Everyone keeps talking about how winter changed in the country. There’s more rain, more floods, more snow and definitely more cold than we’ve ever experienced before,” he said.
    This year, unprecedented amounts of snow have been falling in Tabuk and vast areas are blanketed in white. The city has become sort of a tourist attraction for people from all around the kingdom…

    I lived in Kuwait across the 90s and though winters were chilly, they were always on the milder side and nothing like what is being reported nowadays.
    Years back, it would’ve been a rare occurrence to see hail falling in the Gulf nation. And now? It’s a winter norm.
    Temperatures have been dropping below average for winter in the country in the past three years. Though 2019 recorded less rainfall than the year before, it saw temperatures majorly drop, falling to as low as 1°C…

    “Winter in Kuwait is no joke.”
    Rawan has spent 20 winters in Kuwait and says last year was the worst, explaining that the dips in temperatures were unprecedented.
    “Temperatures reached one and two degrees at night and this wasn’t ever the norm in Kuwait. Growing up I remember winters were quite cold but it has been getting worse in the past three years,” she said.

    People were quite unprepared for the temperature dips they experienced in the UAE last year, which explains the layers of clothes everyone had to get used to wearing.
    The winter weather doesn’t seem to be improving this year, as rainstorms and consequent floods wreaked havoc on several emirates this week. Temps dropped to a record-breaking zero degrees…
    The UAE and its neighboring countries are bracing for more severe weather extremes especially in winter, a season that was previously overlooked…

    ***Changes in weather all year-round are attributed to climate change.
    The extreme change in the weather recorded across the Gulf and the entire region is certainly one of the effects of climate change.
    But despite that, Arab governments aren’t doing enough to combat the phenomenon and need to amp up their efforts soon in order to join the fight against global warming.

    According to a recent report published by the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA), lawmakers across the region must pass laws to increase spending on renewable energy sources to alleviate the destructive effects of climate change…
    https://stepfeed.com/below-zero-the-unprecedented-drop-in-temperatures-across-the-gcc-5266

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    Her pitiless blue sky,
    When sick at heart, around us,
    We see the cattle die —
    But then the grey clouds gather,
    And we can bless again
    The drumming of an army,
    The steady, soaking rain
    .

    Hey, Dorothea! It’s happening again! It’s drenching last weekend’s thick ash! Who wants to play ash-pies?

    Whoa!

    Dorothea!

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      And a decade later, Said Hanrahan added

      “In God’s good time” the rain stopped and spring arrived with “harvest-hopes immense”. The “knee-deep” grass, while good for feeding livestock, brought to mind the risk of bushfire.

      “There’ll be bush-fires for sure, me man,
      There will, without a doubt;
      We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan,
      “Before the year is out.”

      It’s all happened before. Bushfires are part of the Australian cycle of life and nothing to do with man made Global Warming aka Climate Change by the UN Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change, a political group which has pushed man made Climate Change since 1988. As part of international politics.

      According to the IPCC, everything is Climate Change, even in the 19th century and the mysterious Federation drought missing from BOM records. We now even have Climate Change bushfires.

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    15 Jan: WaPo: Messy winter storm to zip from the West to the East Coast through the weekend
    By Matthew Cappucci
    A strip of snowfall is in the forecast for parts of more than a dozen states within a 1,500-mile path from the upper Midwest to New England…
    A pocket of upper-level energy will dive out of the Rockies late Friday, passing over the central Plains as its attendant jet stream dip, or trough, carries it eastward. That same upper-level support is already producing heavy snow in the Sierra Nevada in California. It has also been dumping snow in the Pacific Northwest, including the metro Seattle area…

    Eventually, the system will slide to the east, in the process dropping areas of moderate snow across the Great Lakes, Midwest and eventually New England…

    ***Very cold temperatures as modeled by the European model, which projects temperatures 30 degrees below average early Monday over parts of the Midwest and Corn Belt. (Weatherbell)…
    Temperatures may approach 30 degrees below average for this time of year in parts of the upper Midwest and eastern Great Plains on Monday…
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/01/15/messy-winter-storm-zip-west-east-coast-through-weekend/

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    pat

    there are subtitles on the video. watched it without sound and it’s quite revealing. Attenborough’s histrionics SHOW UP BETTER. China is the subject of the video, yet China does not feature anywhere in the text of this endless piece of nonsense:

    16 Jan: BBC: Sir David Attenborough warns of climate ‘crisis moment’
    By David Shukman – 2h ago
    VIDEO: 2m: China needs to tackle climate change – Attenborough

    “The moment of crisis has come” in efforts to tackle climate change, Sir David Attenborough has warned…
    “As I speak, south east Australia is on fire. Why? Because the temperatures of the Earth are increasing,” he said.

    ***Sir David’s comments came in a BBC News interview to launch a year of special coverage on the subject of climate change.

    He told me it was “palpable nonsense” for some politicians and commentators to suggest that the Australian fires were nothing to do with the world becoming warmer.
    “We know perfectly well,” he said, that human activity is behind the heating of the planet…

    LINK: ◾BBC announces new climate change coverage…ETC ETC
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51123638

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      explain this, Shukman & Attenborough:

      AUDIO: 19m09s: 16 Jan: 2GB: Luke Grant: State ignored warnings of bushfire ‘death trap’ by South Coast farmers
      Farmers on the South Coast warned Premier Gladys Berejiklian, over a year ago, that towns were in a bushfire “death trap” because of dangerous fuel loads not being cleared by local government.
      Bega Valley Shire Farmers and Land Owners Group member Wayne Doyle wrote to the Premier in April 2018 warning against a ­decision by the local council to slap environmental zonings on farmland which he said posed a safety risk to other towns.
      The NSW Planning Department replied saying they would look at the issue.

      But Mr Doyle tells Luke Grant he never heard back.
      “They’ve got to revisit this and find a better solution.
      “Until all this changes we’re just going to suffer this.”
      https://www.2gb.com/state-ignored-warnings-of-bushfire-death-trap-by-south-coast-farmers/

      representative is on with Chris Smith/Sky saying the same thing. shocking stuff.

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        pat

        20 hours online and, apart from 2GB, nothing from ABC, SMH, Age, Guardian, etc about this to be found online! disgraceful:

        NSW bushfires: South coast farmers warned state of ‘death traps’ along environmental zones
        Daily Telegraph – 20 hours ago
        Bega Valley Shire Farmers and Land Owners Group member Wayne Doyle wrote to Ms Berejiklian in April 2018 following the Tathra fires, saying a decision to slap environmental zonings on farmland by the local council posed a safety risk to other towns, including Eden — one of the worst hit communities — and Merimbula…

        Farmer’s fury at ignored bushfire ‘death trap’ call
        Daily Examiner – 12 hours ago
        Bega Valley Shire Farmers and Land Owners Group member Wayne Doyle wrote to Ms Berejiklian in April 2018 following the Tathra fires, saying a decision to slap environmental zonings on farmland by the local council posed a safety risk to other towns, including Eden – one of the worst hit communities – and Merimbula…

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    Panda

    It’s brilliant!

    BTW I wish some other skeptics were posting on the threads below. The plethora of Christians who believe in global warming is truly terrifying. I’m rather alone in arguing multiple threads here! Need some help from other skeptics.

    John Dickson is a well known Christian academic – it may well be his views that changed the Prime MInister’s mind. I’ve done my best, but maybe some of you other guys here would be able to do a bit better than me at posting studies, arguing etc.

    https://www.facebook.com/john.dickson.9406417/posts/10159295491344447

    https://www.facebook.com/john.dickson.9406417/posts/10159289124124447

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      Peter C

      Keep going Panda.

      My plan is to work within the Liberal Party to remove warmists and Turnbull supporters.

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    Dennis

    Let me tell you that there are many Christians (maybe even the majority)who are not being swept along with all this hype. I am a Christian and have a strong Biblical world view and I would rate myself as a climate change denier.
    Let me quote some scripture.

    Colossians 2:8 “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy……”
    and
    Romans 1:22 “Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools….”

    I really like the song – very clever. Sums up the situation very well.

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      AndyG55

      I would not rate myself a “climate change denier”.

      Neither should you.

      I KNOW climate changes, always has and always will.

      There is no such thing as Climate stagnant…

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      PeterS

      Yes I find it odd when some hint that Christians are pushing the CAGW agenda yet the facts are that the left and in particular the Greens who are by far the strongest advocates of that agenda are more likely to be atheists. Certainly some Christians are among the alarmists but so are some other types including atheists. So the idea that one’s religious view is somehow directly linked to CAGW is absurd.

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    Hal

    I’d like to be able to access the graphs in this video (in one location) in pdf form.

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