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Weekend Unthreaded

OK, so some other things might have happened around the world this weekend.

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    Speedy

    A most satisfactory weekend.
    Cheers,
    Mike

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      Salome

      Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

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      Hanrahan

      I’m not just sayin, but I was always confident Trump was going to win the Presidency. A guy I know won “in five figures” on Trump. If I was a betting guy I would have been with him.

      That said I never felt more than “it will be close” for the libs. I thought Bob’s carefully timed passing [joke] would tip the result to labor because of unjustified reflected glory. Happy as a dog with two tails to be wrong.

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        Wes George

        I reckon that Bob Hawke’s timing was a net negative for Labor because it reminded historically literate voters how inane Green/Labor’s regressive class-warfare agenda is compared to the economically rational policy revolution that Hawke and Keating brought to the Labor movement. Reinforced by Howard’s years, Hawke/Keating made Australia the lucky country it is today.

        Moreover, imagine the millions of older generation Aussie voters thinking about Hawkie, the man, his larrikin charisma, his ideas, his honest pro-Aussie pragmatism in juxtaposition to swarmy Lyin’ Bill sucking up to unions and Green thuggery. It’s not a good look.

        If a fair-minded person stopped to contemplate Hawke’s passing for a moment, as I did, he or she might have twigged to the strange days we are in: ScoMo is ideologically closer to Hawke than modern Labor is to its own greatest PM! That’s not just sad, but pathetic.

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    See where pumped hydro comes into its own.

    On Friday, one of the ‘biggies’ of coal fired power had a problem. The huge Eraring plant, nameplate 2880MW lost around half its power in the afternoon, dropping almost 900MW from all four of its Units across 75 minutes.

    Knowing of the problem, and needing extra power to cover the loss, the call went out to a source which could step in to help out.

    The Tumut 3 pumped hydro plant ran up four of its six Units immediately, and within 15 minutes four of those hydro Units pumped 1138MW into the grid.

    Because of the speed it can do this, it gave time for natural gas fired units to begin to scroll up to help out.

    One Unit at Tumut was only needed for the time for those NG Units to run up and deliver. Then the other three Units at Tumut were taken off line, step by step over the next three hours, but what it had done was deliver power very quickly.

    Eraring was back up to full power some hours later.

    All of this was done so seamlessly, that very few people would have even known, and even then, only if they were watching, and knew what was happening.

    Read the full sequence at my data Post for Friday at the link below, and it’s in the text below the data for the day.

    REAL power for when it actually is needed.

    That’s how a well controlled grid is managed, but only when there is power like these sources available to it.

    Australian Daily Electrical Power Generation Data – Friday 17th May 2019

    Tony.

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      Bill in Oz

      Tony was this Snowy Hydro at work ?
      Or was it Snowy Pumped Hydro at work ?

      It is not clear which from your comment.
      Bill

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        Tumut Three is the only pumped hydro plant in the Snowy Scheme. It has six Units below Talbingo Dam. Four Units operated on this occasion. The water flows down the pipes, across the Francis Turbines which then drive the generators. The water then goes into the lower storage pondage, and at a later time, is pumped back up to Talbingo.

        Tony.

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      Hanrahan

      That’s interesting Tony. I have posted in the past that pumped hydro isn’t evil but have received zero support, this in spite of the fact that I have agreed with the broad premise here that it should not be so necessary. My first choice for backup has always been hydro. I spent time in the control room of Ksrreya and saw just how valuable it was to a stable grid.

      If this insane race to wind power continues Snowy II will be necessary and far better than batteries.

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        Mark D.

        Isn’t the problem with pumped hydro that the electrons provided by it cost much more? Some electrons are wasted pushing the water uphill? Then there is evaporation.

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          Bill in Oz

          For each 100 electrons
          Generated by the hydro process
          It takes 140 electrons to pump
          The water back up
          To the top pond.

          Gravity always wins !

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          Rod Stuart

          True, but think of it as insurance.
          Tony points out that at the time this was the only generation available with a few seconds’ notice.
          Before the ruinables scheme, this instant generation maintained in the form of spinning reserve.
          When the nasty stuff hits the fan, even expensive pumped hydro can save the day. It’s a lot less expensive than having to revive after a blackout.

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        yarpos

        Regardless of losses it is (given a water supply) at least a controllable, reliable supply of on tap (see what I did there?) power, as per Tony’s observations.

        My only problem with it is where we live, it can get pretty dry. It definitely has a place but I think mainly in a supporting role from a national perspective.

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      yarpos

      Giles would have been salivating. “Unreliable Coal” headline right there.

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    Adaminaby Angler

    Coldest morn’ in Geraldton, WA since 71 years of records. :)

    https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/wa-freezes-over/529724

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      Latus Dextro

      Not for long AA, not for long.
      Yours faithfully,
      The Adjustment Bureau

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        Greg in NZ

        We have noted your witty sarcasm and a representative will be knocking on your door soon.
        Yours fatefully,
        Ministry of Love Inc.
        *formerly Mini ABC – Adjustment Bureau of Conscience*

        Even the climate weather is a DӔN!ER now.

        Congrats Australia!

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      WXcycles

      Record™* is reserved for official purposes. Please refrain from using it in any other context–BOM.

      * All official Australian meteorological records™ are subject to change without notice. If you’d like to preserve a particular unofficial record™ before it is altered, please send a cheque for $2,500(AUD) made out to CASH care of P.O. BOX 666, Canberra, ACT. No correspondence will be entered into, no refunds, all transactions at own risk, all claims to the contrary will be disavowed and overlooked so good luck with that.

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    Mick S

    Very instructive of the so called progressive mind set from watching the election count. Totally oblivious to the reason their policies were not acceptable to the middle class. Well if they haven’t realised by now that “climate action” is an ideological frolic embraced
    by wealthy inner city types and naive school children,they never will.How they expected to get away with fleecing the self funded retirees and limit wealth accumulation for wage earners is beyond me.The little people have had their say.Good riddance.

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      TdeF

      “Naive school children”. Of course. New born. Open minds. That is a given. That is also why they should not be taught wrong stuff (not science) by politically active teachers.

      Has it not escaped everyone’s attention that man made Global Warming (aka Climate Change) is a belief of some political parties and not of other? It is not established science.

      Teachers should teach children only about what is true. That is the purpose of school, but to teach them only what the Greens and Labor party policies dictate is culpable. It is ironic that so many government school teachers are virulently against private religious schools and the teaching of religion, but it is precisely what they are doing. Hypocrites deliberately misinforming children about their own faith in their political leaders. Climate scientology.

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        David Wojick

        The problem is that there is no agreement on what is true when it comes to climate science. So an honest teacher has two options. One, teach nothing, leaving the kids open to advocacy. Two, teach that there is a debate. This is hard because modern scientific debate has never been taught before university level. It is a very deep problem that I have been working on for years.

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          Kinky Keith

          David,
          The first thing that we have to acknowledge is that there is no Climate Science.

          Facts are that the world spins, the Sun sprays high energy UV all over and we get swirly patterns in the atmosphere and oceans.

          All Klimate Scientists can do is Monitor and describe what happens.

          KK

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            David Wojick

            But it is at the description level that the debate begins. Has it warmed and if so, where and how much? I like the satellite record and do not trust the surface global temperature estimates. Others take the opposite view. Has extreme weather of various sorts increased, decreased or what? No agreement. Is there a sun-climate link or not? Is there a CO2-climate link or not?

            Even at the local level there is deep disagreement, like the adjusted records we hear so much about. What is clearly real is the debate and that is about all. But we do not know how to teach children that there is a scientific debate, when the issues debated are too technical for them. It is a grand challenge.

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              TdeF

              It is a political debate at best, not a scientific one. In fact I have never heard or read a debate between real scientists on this. The promoters of the idea have always refused to debate and those people who push it, Al Gore and Tim Flannery are totally unqualified to debate hard science.

              In my opinion, based on the certain knowledge that there is no fossil fuel CO2 in the air, there is no debate but it gave the appearance of debate and children may want to know what is true and what is not. This is despite the story that ‘the Science’ is ‘settled’. Rubbish.

              The correct response is that there is a political debate and nothing is settled. However clearly children and adults are being told that there it has been determined that the world is going to end in 12 years. That is a lie. Unfortunately it is being taught as the truth at primary schools, secondary schools, universities and often by people who know it is not true. The next course would be the joys of communism.

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                David Wojick

                I am about to publish a collection of skeptical videos and there are at least a dozen lengthy debates among scientists, skeptics versus alarmists. The 12 year nonsense is not part of the scientific debate. That is a political misinterpretation of the October IPCC report. But there is a great deal of scientific debate, including over that report.

                Curry’s blog is the best place to se the technical scientific debate because most sides are well represented — https://judithcurry.com/. I have been tracking the scientific debate since 1992, as well as participating from time to time. It is very real.

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                TdeF

                David, can you point me to a single debate between science qualified scientists, that is not just people who have nominal science PhDs as these days that can mean they are utterly ignorant of physics, chemistry, mathematics, modelling and rational science. In Australia Tim Flannery would be the most egregious example but the crop of pseudo science psychologists like Lewandowsky and Cook from Western Australia are even worse.

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              theRealUniverse

              Just read the article on your cfact about Iceland glaciers growing. Of course they grow when there is a solar down turn. The Icelandic scientists try to avoid the inevitable ‘globull warmung’ this has somehow stopped.

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              Rod Stuart

              I like the fact that you avoid the term “climate science”.
              Science is science full stop.
              What is the definition of “climate science” supposed to be?
              I think it is an nonsensical apparition like “rocket science”.
              There are all sorts of disciplines that are applied to rockets, and there are a multitude of disciples that can be applied to a study of the atmosphere and the weather.
              The term “climate” on the other hand, is the classification which describes the typical weather in a specific region. Somewhat like science, it of necessity requires the observation of a multitude of weather parameters over a period of several decades. Unlike science however, the result of these observations is a classification and does not imply a test of any sort of an hypothesis.
              I think we need to question these terms that spring up in the vernacular from time to time and insist that people provide a definition of their terms in discussions.

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              theRealUniverse

              Agreed about teaching kids that science isnt about ‘concensus’ but about discovery and CHANGING ideas and views with renewed REAL world data not faked or manipulated data to suit a particular view or agenda.

              The only thing that controls climate and weather is the Sun, with some addition, unknown qty yet, from internal planetry heat mostly through the oceans. ALL the other factors are a result of the Sun’s energy input, in the whole spectral distribution and solar wind re proton / electron flux, not ‘something else’. You need driving forces for any oscilation. Other drivers only leaves orbital mechanics/periodicity and coreolis forces.

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            WXcycles

            All Klimate Scientists can do is Monitor and describe what happens.

            And very much in the past-tense if they do it for real.

            This playing with satellites and pretending that “climate-change ” is being ‘monitored’ should be laughed right off the internet.

            … It’s not even science! …

            Meh! It’s not even ‘climate‘ science for that matter.

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          WXcycles

          It’s ultimately just an exercise in touting for votes via taking advantage of people’s gullibility and ignorance, as it sure isn’t about science, or education, or saving a planet, or such twaddle.

          Apparently no one really gives a stuff anyway, so why keep trying to tout for votes with it and split off your own base? Let the Greens have the gullible ignorant nitwits who vote along climate-change lines.

          The rest of Australia is over it.

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          Latus Dextro

          The problem is that there is no agreement on what is true when it comes to climate science.

          David, I hesitate to respond given that any reply I make I imagine you may have considered. I also speculate that teachers are required to teach to a politically sanctioned syllabus within an equally sanctioned curriculum, in addition to navigating the difficulty of ill-informed, or selectively informed scientifically illiterate or semi-literate parents screeching their politics to an uncertain school board. Little wonder then that this is a ‘deep problem’. And then, how to reconcile a syllabus that may well be at variance with the themes of a politically correct curriculum?

          Getting around the ‘settled politics’ of the moment appears a challenge as you suggest. However, there would also appear some observations and approaches that may side step the distraction of the globalist Trojan horse with its central political polemic. As a university lecturer there seem to me to be a plethora of avenues one could use to open the discourse, discovery and education, at the same time avoiding the polemic. There seems little reason to me why these could be simplified for younger age groups. Whether that would be permitted is another matter.

          That unspecified “climate science” (whatever that means) is clearly not settled, remains patently obvious. When it so obviously relies on the charade of climatism belief, unfalsifiable definitions (UNFCCC ‘climate change’) political ‘consensus’, obfuscation, concealed adjustments and methodology, refusal to debate, punishment, job loss or demotion for disagreement, distorted massive central funding (consider the priorities and many other problems that beset the World), a closed, repetitive MSM and institutional narrative, that conclusion becomes inescapable.

          Approaching the educative discourse from the perspective of geology and paleo-climate may help frame the current moment in context. There is no shortage of positions from which to approach the issue rand avoid the readily demonstrated politically infected uncertainty of ‘climate science’, actually scientivism (A Disgrace to the Profession – Mark Steyn)

          Some things spring to mind. Defining the ‘problem’- see Lomberg B, The Skeptical Environmentalist – 2001 makes a handy start; understanding that the average standard deviation of the centennial variation of temperature over several centennial periods in the Holocene has remained unaltered (0.98C ± 0.27C) highlights the non-problem, that business-as-usual of the 99% natural UNFCCC ‘climate variation’.

          (Tony Heller) engages with the problem from the perspective of the historical temperature record science and MSM commentary. A very useful place to go from as he is able to show a variety of temperature / sea ice records prior to adjustment.

          The searchable scientific and journalistic record is long and rich with exemplars of weather and climate catastrophism. It serves to demonstrate an obsession with end-times, whether famine, pestilence, disease, flames, flood, or frigidity for the sole benefit of sales, clicks, money, politics, agendas or votes.

          It demonstrates unequivocally that today is no exception.

          The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
          H. L. Mencken

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            David Wojick

            Here is the elegant challenge. You have a class of 14 year olds. The science curriculum is so densely packed that you have just two 50 minute classes to cover climate and climate change. You cannot use any concepts or facts that they have not already learned, unless you teach them in those two classes. The more discussion you allow the fewer facts and concepts you can include.

            What do you teach them?

            This is amazingly hard.

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              TdeF

              That there is almost no fossil fuel CO2 in the atmosphere. This fact was proven in 1956. That proof stands today. Prof Suess of San Diego university. The Suess effect (not the rubbish on Wikipedia).

              The science puzzle is then why there is no fossil fuel CO2 in the atmosphere? The answer is the vast ocean which contains 98% of all free CO2 in solution. Heat it even slightly and aerial CO2 increases rapidly. This is a water planet with an average depth of 3.4Km. At 1 atmosphere per 10 metres, that is 340x the weight of the thin air above. It is the water which buffers all climate and combined with the sun, produces all our weather including storms, rain, drought. It is the air in the water which gave life to the planet. We humans breathe like fish with 400m2 of wet tissue to exchange CO2 for O2. Without water, we die. H2O and CO2 and sunshine, the essential and major ingredients of all life on earth. CO2 and O2 in the air are in rapid equilibrium exchange with the oceans which (counting antarctica) cover 75% of our planet. Equilibrium is one of the great lessons of chemistry and underpins every chemical exchange along with conservation of mass expressed as stoichiometry.

              Plus that CO2 is the essential gas from which all carbohydrates (hydrated CO2) are made and from which all life on earth is made. Sugars from carbohydrates from CO2 power us, insects, birds, ameobae. It is not evil. In fact much more is good, which the dinosaurs could tell you if they were still alive. Life booms in higher CO2. Why else are there vast oceans of rotted plant matter from the Jurassic?

              That is all simple science truth. What else is there?

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                TdeF

                and none of this is debatable. The scientists of the IPCC simply work in their own specialist areas and few address the
                fundamentals. Those who mention the equilibrium put forward the theory that as ocean currents are deep, only the thin top layer
                is involved in CO2 exchange, minimizing the effect. The problem with this is that it is not proven and demonstrably not true.

                The rapid collapse of radioactive C14 levels from 1965 proves indisputably that there is one huge sink for all CO2 and there is only one candidate.
                In fact to argue that CO2 heats the water (no one actually argues this, they just imply it) is at odds with the common knowledge that heated water releases
                gas.

                The other outrageous statement is ocean acidification when no ocean is acid. When all the world’s limestone would have to dissolve first. When it is the
                first case in physical chemistry of a liquid absorbing gas when heated.

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                theRealUniverse

                Yep, ‘in rapid equilibrium exchange with the oceans’ .. Henry’s Law.

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              Kinky Keith

              David, at 14 children should be learning basic science involving maths, physics and chemistry.

              At that age even biology is a bit too abstract to be given much weight.

              There is no Climate Science, so it’s a bit perplexing that it forms part of any syllabus.

              I understand you may have seen “debate” on others forums but it is just verbalism in the extreme; group think.

              There’s No Mechanism by which CO2 can control/heat the atmosphere and increase the atmospheric temperature.

              Quite the opposite as the only operative mechanism is at high altitude, and that’s cooling.

              If the real science isn’t enough then understand that human origin CO2 is quantitatively irrelevant, like the proverbial flea on the elephants back.

              Debates on Climate Science™ are just politics at its finest.

              KK

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                Dave in the States

                At 14 years most kids are only beginning to develop the ability to think abstractly.

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              Dave in the States

              What probably happens is they are shown Al Gore’s movie.

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              Rod Stuart

              I submit that an essential understanding of the process we call science, and its origins centuries ago as a means to establish what is True and what is not, is fundamental to anything else you teach them about chemistry , physics, geology, etc.
              It is essential that they understand that science DISPROVES an hypothesis, and that there is no such think as the “scientific proof” they hear about on television commercials.
              Once that knowledge is firmly embedded, it should not be difficult to point out that the lag of some 800 years in which changes in atmospheric CO2 follow changes in temperature disproves the CO2 nonsense. There is lots of other material, such as change in temperature in the thirties unaccompanied by changes in atmospheric CO2.

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            theRealUniverse

            Id like to see the day when the IPCC is taken to the courts for F-R-@-U-D (which country would hold these trials would be anybody’s guess) and extracting many trillions of world’s peoples money for their deliberate SCAM.

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              Kinky Keith

              Verbalism and advocacy, no matter how forceful, is Not science and if a true scientific court was set up (where?) the global warming via human origin CO2 story could not be substantiated.

              Ground origin IR moving back out towards space will get to its destination by all means possible and CO2 levels are irrelevant.

              CO2 does not secretly trap and return degraded, low virtue IR energy “back” to ground.

              Energy like this must follow the temperature gradient out to deep space which is about 1.4 C° above absolute zero. A lot of pull there.

              The AlGorithm has never been challenged over the false science he propagates.

              KK

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          el gordo

          ‘… teach that there is a debate.’

          Then organise the class into red and blue teams.

          In the NSW curriculum they already ask students where would they like to be living in 20 years, to get them thinking about climate change, so we could continue to use this as the underlying structure.

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            David Wojick

            Sounds like they are assuming we know how climate will change in 20 years, but we do not, so how does this work? In fact given that the standard definition of climate is 30 year average weather the 20 years makes no sense.

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              theRealUniverse

              Climate is a long term process, referring instantaneous ‘weather’, bad or otherwise, as climate is ridiculous. Of course the gullible MSM and pundits have no clue so it works.

              Look at the site windy.com and you can see in almost real time the REAL forces controlling the true weather. The actual circulation patterns, thanks to great satellite technology and processing. It should be quite obvious to anybody looking at that that the weather is controlled by outside force (sun) and not some minute gassy CO2 fart from an SUV or coal plant.

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              el gordo

              ‘ … so how does this work?’

              AGW is the paradigm and we need to bring about a paradigm shift through a debating exercise.

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              Kinky Keith

              David, reducing this to science:

              debate is not science.

              If there is a scientific effect, show it to me, demonstrate it to me.

              Speculation is not science, measurement and observation are the basis of science.

              When people talk about “climate” what do they mean?

              The whole thing is deliberately vague so that they won’t have to confront the real science.

              UV heats the world and IR runs down the drain as the washed out, low virtue, leftovers.

              IR is a bit like that proverbial flea jumping on and off the elephants back.

              KK

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                el gordo

                ‘…debate is not science.’

                We need a scientific debate in the science curriculum, because its not settled.

                Before this can happen we’ll need to have a debate in the MSM. Murdoch and Catalano up against the ABC, to sought out reality.

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    OriginalSteve

    Enjoying the moment……

    I dont trust the leftists though. Their globalist paymasters may already have a plan in place.

    The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

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    TdeF

    I have great hope that Malcolm Turnbull’s protege Kerryn Phelps is thrown out. He supported Phelps and helped her beat the superbly qualified Liberal candidate Sharma last time. Why Turnbull has not been thrown out of the Liberal party is beyond me.

    Of the five seats outstanding, two seats almost certainly will go to the Liberal coalition, giving them an absolute majority. Possibly more. Plus the extra two seats in the Senate.

    Green nut jobs from tiny states South Australia and Tasmania notwithstanding, the Senate too might be manageable. Lambie in particular refused to vote previously unless she was given what she wanted. Representing only 40,000 people and not 400,000 people, that was an outrageous denial of her responsibility. There needs to be some concept in the Senate that it is to represent State rights, not the views of individuals or parties. The politicization and intransigence of all branches of government has a devastating effect on anyone’s ability of govern. Senate reform is well overdue.

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    This piece was referenced on ABC RN tonight, its a bit bent in places, but lots of insight into science limitations. It helps understand how the academic snout-in-troughers can be so indignant, so zealous, and so wrong all at once.

    https://aeon.co/essays/the-blind-spot-of-science-is-the-neglect-of-lived-experience

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      Here’s an piece out of the above Blind Spot article:

      “In general terms, here’s how the scientific method works. First, we set aside aspects of human experience on which we can’t always agree, such as how things look or taste or feel. Second, using mathematics and logic, we construct abstract, formal models that we treat as stable objects of public consensus. Third, we intervene in the course of events by isolating and controlling things that we can perceive and manipulate. Fourth, we use these abstract models and concrete interventions to calculate future events. Fifth, we check these predicted events against our perceptions. An essential ingredient of this whole process is technology: machines – our equipment – that standardise these procedures, amplify our powers of perception, and allow us to control phenomena to our own ends.

      The Blind Spot arises when we start to believe that this method gives us access to unvarnished reality. But experience is present at every step. Scientific models must be pulled out from observations, often mediated by our complex scientific equipment. They are idealisations, not actual things in the world. Galileo’s model of a frictionless plane, for example; the Bohr model of the atom with a small, dense nucleus with electrons circling around it in quantised orbits like planets around a sun; evolutionary models of isolated populations – all of these exist in the scientist’s mind, not in nature. They are abstract mental representations, not mind-independent entities. Their power comes from the fact that they’re useful for helping to make testable predictions. But these, too, never take us outside experience, for they require specific kinds of perceptions performed by highly trained observers.

      For these reasons, scientific ‘objectivity’ can’t stand outside experience; in this context, ‘objective’ simply means something that’s true to the observations agreed upon by a community of investigators using certain tools. Science is essentially a highly refined form of human experience, based on our capacities to observe, act and communicate.”

      The whole article is worth a read, especially since the ABC played the conversation with the authors of the paper. If the ABC grasped what it meant, they’d have to give up on their climate hysteria..

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    James Murphy

    I’m pleased that Australia recognised the folly of a Shorten Labor government before it was too late, but cannot say I am giving a free pass to the Liberals. They are politicians, you shouldn’t really trust any of them.

    - The Liberals are rather indistinguishable from Labor/Greens on “climate change, with everyone wanting to get to a certain point of economic ruin, but disagreeing on the methods.
    - The Liberals still want to implement gaol terms for “internet trolls”, which will inevitably end in tears for people expressing opinions in a rational and inoffensive (to sane people) way. Piecemeal censorship is still censorship.

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      WXcycles

      It’s a common characteristic of conservative governments, especially those in control of both houses of the legislation process, to amplify security and stability concerns, and then overact to them, and make their cures worse than the imagined disease. They always reach for a truncheon rather than acceptable common-sense. This is my biggest peeve with POLITICAL conservatism (as opposed to real Conservatism).

      They tend to over-cook the authority angle, and then naturally lose favor, and then government. It’s why Howard was ousted by a mere ABC journo, with an ego on steroids, within his own ‘safe’ seat. And then is also out of the PM chair, out of government, out of the Parliament, and out of a political career. Howard’s Work-Choices was draconian and many forget how much Howard and the Libs were reviled for it. People act like Kevin07 just stumbled into power. Nope, Howard handed power to krudd on a platter.

      The Libs typically let authoritarian arrogance go to their head, and the electorate will not accept that error. Look at the public response to Chris Bowen’s remarks, it’s the same thing, just a different political flavor of idiot doing it.

      The public detests that attitude and the topic of censorship and govt over-reaching will raise its head during this term and the public will take a very dim view of the Libs if they don’t pull back from their new internet-censorship authoritah trip. Except the conserves never back-off once they’ve start down an authoritarian path as they can never accept that it was a fundamental error to interfere in such ways. there’s always a moral or ethical political rationale, but the public will not buy that stuff.

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      theRealUniverse

      Rather true.

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    DDorf

    If this was the Climate Change election, what man made Climate Change? Did Bill Shorten ever explain this?

    Consider that there eight times as many humans in the northern hemisphere as there are in the
    southern hemisphere. Because of the rotation of the Earth, the oceans and the atmosphere
    both circulate within their own hemispheres with an effective barrier at the equator and minimum
    transference between hemispheres.

    Plus since 1950 4.5 billion humans have been added to the northern hemisphere but only 0.55 in the southern Hemisphere.
    All these extra humans consume energy and breath but the CO2 levels remain remarkably similar.

    So if humans are the core cause of climate change, you would expect the climates in the northern hemisphere to have changed eight times more than the southern hemisphere but there has been no change in the north and south climates at all.

    So no climate change. Or conversely, what Climate Change?

    How can you have a Climate Change election when no one knows what it is?

    So if 8/9ths or 89% of CO2 comes from the Northern Hemisphere and 98% comes from outside Australia, why are we asked to pay punitive
    carbon taxes, or buy carbon credits which is exactly the same thing?

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    RAH

    Back in the late 80′s when I was stationed at Flint Kassern in Bad Tolz Germany I would occasionally drive my family up to Stuttgart where the largest PX was in the area. There they had a Burger King that everyone enjoyed going to. A touch of Americana not available back then in southern Bavaria.
    Now days there is a Burger King right beside the terminal of Romulus, MI where I sometimes work out of for up to a week at a time and it makes it handy for grabbing a quick bite. In fact last week I had a Grilled Chicken salad from there. Now I read this: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/05/19/burger-king-endorses-milk-shake-attacks-on-brexit-campaigners/

    Guess from now on I’ll have to walk across the street or drive down the road a short ways to get a bite from one of their competitors when up in Romulus. Why can’t these companies keep their mouths shut instead of getting involved in politics?

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      Latus Dextro

      Reflect on good times past, and be thankful that the corporatist globalist executive management at Burger King revealed their political ideology and saved you from inadvertently sponsoring their cause.
      For example, I have recently ‘thanked’ Gillette for the clarity and wokeness of their anti-masculine toxic femininity v3 SJW virtue signalling.

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        Kinky Keith

        Likewise

        I bought another brand recently.

        Aligning razor blades with Social Justice was a bit too much.

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        yarpos

        I recently went back to old school double edged razor thanks to Gillete. Bought my favourite blades they other day in a bulk pack, $15 for two years supply. How much are those Gillete multi blades again? Thank you Gillete for alerting me to that opportunity.

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      glen Michel

      A lovely place is Bad Tolz. Hofbrau on a 30 degree summer day and aswim in the Isar.

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      WXcycles

      Yup, Burger King is call “Hungry Jacks” within Australia, I much prefer it, if I was to go for a fast burger of drive through coffee, but after what you just reported I won’t be buying any of their burgers or coffee again.

      Permanent loss of business Burger King, feeling smug now?

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    Another Ian

    “Academic quits in disgust over university sacking of Peter Ridd”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/19/academic-quits-in-disgust-over-university-sacking-of-peter-ridd/

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    Another Ian

    “Dijibouti – Why? What Changed?”

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2019/05/18/dijibouti-why-what-changed/

    The massaging of ONE thermometer.

    And comments

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      pat

      Another Ian -

      the first comment by Bill in Oz is right on the mark.

      so much for the fake claim the military believes CAGW is a “threat-multiplier”.

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      Bill in Oz

      E M Smith has done a major bit of computer research into the temperature gauges being fiddled with over the last month

      This whole area is a swamp for most of us without the computer skills to examine it. And so we avoid it. But E M Smith with his professional computer skills has unpicked how the global temperature record has been diddled and fiddeled and shonked around by the global warming climate science mob.

      The very basis of the global warming campaign is FAKE.

      this needs to be shouted on the hills & plains and in the media and social media.

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    Another Ian

    “Trey Gowdy Says He Has Seen Exculpatory Transcripts of FBI Spies Engaged With Papadopoulos…”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/19/trey-gowdy-says-he-has-seen-exculpatory-transcripts-of-fbi-spies-engaged-with-papadopoulos/#more-163942

    A name you’ll recognise comes up again

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      yarpos

      Mr Gowdy has quite a mind and a relentless attitude. The videos of some of his questions in hearing are classics.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Make no mistake, it was the election on climate change doomsday global warming (the cost of in-action).

    The most interesting angle to this upset is that the Labour Party went all-in on climate change doomsday global warming (the cost of in-action).

    Here’s how AFP covered it in the run-up:

    Australians vote in first ‘climate election’

    https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/australians-vote-first-climate-election-doc-1gl3jf2?utm_source=CCNet+Newsletter&utm_campaign=04d46647b4-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_05_18_01_13&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fe4b2f45ef-04d46647b4-20154709

    Also this story from a magazine called Renew Economy:

    Shorten declares climate “emergency” as top priority for Labor

    “Federal Labor leader Bill Shorten has referred to climate change as an “emergency,” in his final formal pitch to voters ahead of Saturday’s federal election.”

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/shorten-declares-climate-emergency-as-top-priority-for-labor-89384/?utm_source=CCNet+Newsletter&utm_campaign=04d46647b4-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_05_18_01_13&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fe4b2f45ef-04d46647b4-20137121

    via: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/breaking-big-election-upset-in-australia.php

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    pat

    17 May: BBC: Climate change: Will India’s election energy lead to CO2 rise?
    By Navin Singh Khadka
    India’s major political parties competing in the ongoing general elections have pledged free electricity to farmers, ambitious infrastructure projects and rapid expansion of the manufacturing sector. What impact could this have on carbon emissions in India, already the world’s third largest CO2 producer?…
    “Coal-fired power plants have always received the government’s backing,” says Sunil Dahiya, clean energy and climate campaigner with Greenpeace.
    “And coal demand is not going to decrease right now.”…

    Coal dominance continues…
    The world’s second largest populous country emitted 2.3bn tonnes of carbon dioxide in 2018 – a nearly 5% rise on the previous year, the International Energy Agency (IEA) says.
    About 90% of India’s energy still comes from fossil fuels and nearly two thirds of that from coal – the dirtiest of fossil fuels…
    Nearly 70% of India’s CO2 emissions come from the energy sector and more than two thirds of that is electricity generation.

    The British Petroleum is forecasting that coal’s share in India’s power mix will increase by roughly 10% by 2040…
    “Yet despite this growth in renewables, coal continues to dominate India’s power generation mix, accounting for 80% of output by 2040.”…

    Cement and steel – ‘real challenges’
    Some energy experts believe election promises could lead to more coal-burning and increased emissions…READ ALL
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-48283612

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    a happy little debunker

    Another repudiation of the left’s climate change emergency – a victory Labor readily dismisses, without a trace of irony, by claiming their electoral prospects were damaged by a massive scare campaign.

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    pat

    two pieces – worth reading ALL:

    19 May: GatewayPundit: Obama’s Illegal Spying on Americans Labeled “Operation Hammer” Will Soon Be Exposed
    by Joe Hoft
    One of the many illegal actions that President Obama partook during his eight years in office was the assimilation of personal data on all Americans. His “Operation Hammer” will soon be uncovered and show his contempt for Americans and the rule of law.

    Maxine Waters slipped up during a 2013 interview with journalist Roland Martin. In this interview Waters said –
    “…I think some people are missing something here. The President [Obama] has put in place an organization that contains a kind of database than no one has ever seen before in life. That’s going to be very, very powerful and whoever …and that database will have information about everything on every individual in ways that it’s never been done before.”
    VIDEO 1min08sec
    READ ALL
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/obamas-illegal-spying-on-americans-labeled-operation-hammer-will-soon-be-exposed/

    17 March 2017: TheAmericanReport: Whistleblower Tapes: Trump Wiretapped “A Zillion Times” By ‘The Hammer,’ Brennan’s and Clapper’s Secret Computer System
    By Mary Fanning and Alan Jones
    President Obama’s Director of National Intelligence (DNI) James Clapper and his Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director John Brennan oversaw a secret supercomputer system known as “THE HAMMER,” according to former NSA/CIA contractor-turned whistleblower Dennis Montgomery…READ ON
    http://theamericanreport.org/2017/03/17/whistleblower-tapes-trump-wiretapped-zillion-times-hammer-brennans-clappers-secret-computer-system/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

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      pat

      read all. Nunes shul send the criminal referral now:

      19 May: Washington Examiner: Devin Nunes ‘likely’ sending obstruction criminal referral over Steele-State Department meeting
      by Daniel Chaitin
      Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said on Sunday that he may send another criminal referral to the Justice Department. During an interview on Fox News, Nunes said notes about a meeting between Trump dossier author Christopher Steele and a State Department official were withheld from the House Intelligence Committee during its investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election that wrapped up last year.
      “It’s likely now, as we do our investigation as to why we didn’t get this information that we’ve just been discussing from the State Department two years ago when we should have received it, there could be another referral coming on obstruction a congressional investigation,” he said.

      Newly released notes (LINK) from an Oct. 11, 2016, meeting between Steele and former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec cast doubt on the reliability of his dossier and called into question the information provided to the court in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act application that was submitted later that month against onetime Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. The notes, which Kavalec is believed to have emailed to the FBI in mid-October, indicate that Steele knew he had been hired by Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee and had been told they wanted his findings made public prior to the 2016 election on Nov. 8…
      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/devin-nunes-likely-sending-obstruction-criminal-referral-over-steele-state-department-meeting

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    joseph

    I came across this a while back. I imagine some of you may have been to the site and I’m wondering what you make of it.

    http://www.truth-now.net/two-parliaments/

    Two Australian parliaments.

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      PeterW

      Australia is a Commonwealth. (In the same way that the US or France are “Republics”.)

      Therefore the Parliament IS the “Parliament of the Commonwealth”, whether we actually include the word in the title or not.

      Unless you can argue that Australia has somehow ceased to be a Commonwealth, then the inclusion or not of the word unofficial titles is immaterial.

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    Another Ian

    Picture your favourites!

    “A Leftist Troll on Display”

    “It has long been a mystery who the trolls, be they on SDA or another conservative website, actually are. What do they look like? Why do they have the Daddy issues, they do? Why are they impervious to any semblance of logic and common sense?

    Over in England, Sargon of Akkad, has obtained video evidence of one. The next time a troll pops up here on SDA, now you will have a clear image in your head of what he looks like. ”

    Link at

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2019/05/19/a-leftist-troll-on-display/

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      Sweet Old Bob

      Fish rots from the head , eh ?
      Now my eyes are bleeding ;)

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      Bill in Oz

      Reminds me strongly of my younger brother
      Unfortunately
      He was been doing similar stuff
      To me on facebook.
      Had to block him completely
      After he told me to
      “F**k off and die”
      For exposing the
      Global warming fakery.

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      Annie

      Ye gods! Revolting; I couldn’t cope with more than a few seconds of that disgusting dental array and behaviour. :(

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    robert rosicka

    I’m watching Abc breakfast to see what mood the hosts are in this morning ,seems the pollsters were to blame for Labor losing .
    Also mention of taxes and people changing their vote at the last minute .
    If only they weren’t so blind to CAGW they might be able to see the only reason Shorten was going to win in a landslide was they’re own propaganda spread by them because of Bills stance on climate change .

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      Graeme No.3

      Robert:

      Another reason might be the declining influence of the ABC. It is no secret that their audience/viewers numbers are decreasing, even though they resort to “adjusting” the numbers** by claiming anybody who visits their for 10 minutes a week as a follower.
      Increasing climate hysteria, and poor programs, leads to you being limited to the gullible. Then they get feedback from Green activists and Friends of the ABC and think they are winning.

      ** I wonder if they relied on advice from the BoM?

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        robert rosicka

        Also noted is people changing their mind at the last minute and voting Liberal but it’s just been pointed out the pre poll voting is favouring the Libs so that shoots that theory down in flames .

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          MudCrab

          Who claims this and from what evidence?

          Sorry, but calling complete speculation on this. Not saying that some people somewhere do this, because that is why they invented bell curves, but there is no way to actually prove this is remotely significant.

          To be honest I believe that the only point of having people man a booth on election day handing out bit of paper no one reads is to prove to the public that your brand is actually popular enough to have people physically support it. I remember my first election I helped with back about 15 years ago (git off ma lawn!) which was SA State and the ‘No Rodeo Cruelty’ party had turned up early and jammed some how to vote cards in the wire of the brush fence.

          It just looked so pathetic and tragic.

          What I do believe is that you can swing a vote against your party by being rude or pushy. Remember that most people don’t really want to vote and they do NOT want to have 8 or 9 strangers getting in their face with bit of paper. I don’t believe anyone really gives a toss about the Three Word Slogan head office wants you to say, but they do remember politeness.

          But, on the original point? People changing their minds at the last minute? That is the official excuse? Grud. Why don’t they just blame the Russians like normal people and move on?

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        Bill in Oz

        Yes the ABC has alienated
        The majority of ordinary Aussies
        But still believe they are important
        How the once great ABC has been humbled !

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          robert rosicka

          Interesting to hear that the Libs look like winning 78 seats , that’s what Richo predicted around 9pm on Saturday when he realised they were going to lose .

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    pat

    headline on ABC “Just In” page -

    This was meant to be the ‘climate change election’. So what went happened?
    Opinion By Matt Mcdonald
    Posted about 2 hours ago | Updated 14 minutes ago

    condescending, anti-Abbott rubbish:

    20 May: ABC: Election 2019: What happened to the climate change vote we heard about?
    By Matt Mcdonald
    (Matt McDonald is and associate professor in the School of Political Science and International Studies at the University of Queensland)
    A range of polls and surveys had left many analysts, myself included, with the sense that this would be a crucial issue at the ballot box.
    The annual Lowy Institute Poll demonstrated stronger support for climate change action in Australia in 2019 than in any previous survey since 2006…

    ***And while a self-selecting sample, those filling out the ABC’s Vote Compass survey consistently emphasised climate change as a crucial issue for them at the election…

    Advocacy groups and even media outlets also encouraged the view that 2019 was, and should be, Australia’s climate election…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-20/what-happened-to-the-climate-change-vote/11128128

    ARTICLE HAS TWO MORRISON-MOCKING PICS – NOTHING MOCKING LABOR’S “EXISTENTIAL THREAT”/CAN’T-COST-IT NONSENSE.

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      MudCrab

      This is an example of the big picture problem with the ABC and the other types who believe it their right to guide us.

      Simply put they failed.

      None of them saw this coming and are now sitting there gob smacked like born again Hillary 2016 supporters. They wanted it to be true. Their research groups reinforced it was true. Ergo, it must be true.

      They failed to allow for this and hence they failed to report this to the public. Now you may say, ‘whatever’ but we are starting to get to the stage where this sort of utter failure to pull the head out of the sand is actually costing people money.

      Sportsbet. Sure this is a gambling company and more fool them, but they are a prime example. They made a business decision based on the ‘best’ information and blew over a million dollars. How many more companies have trusted organisations like the ABC to give them accurate assessments of the current social trends and ended up losing money? How many more will continue.

      Honestly this election should not have been a surprise. 2PP poles have been shown for years to be bias to the Left by 2-3%, Shorten has always been widely regarded as thick by the general population and it has been long shown that the one common theme about Global Warming is that no one, warmie or realist or fence sitter, wants to spend their OWN money fixing it.

      If the ABC cannot be trusted to even explore these options then why are we paying for it. Turn the entire thing over to reruns of Bananas and Peppa plus a few murder mysteries for the adults and we can save Australia about $500 million a year.

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        yarpos

        Sportbet beggars belief. What a way to run a business. I guess they will spin it as publicity.

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    PeterW

    The ideologues in in the Australian Labor Party and their coalition partners, the Greens, will blame everything BUT their policies , for this election loss.

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      Hanrahan

      I’m an old phart who has seen many elections and if labor here is true to form of leftist parties everywhere their knee-jerk reaction will be to swing further left. I’m not the only who has observed that, Dick Morris, Bill Clinton’s CoS and still an astute observer, says the same thing. Tony Blair is the only UK labour leader to have pulled them back towards the centre. Since his parting they have consistently veered to port.

      BTW Dick’s observations of the Clintons are illuminating.

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      yarpos

      Human nature I think. The first reaction is to externalise the cause of your failure. Then if you have half a brain and a touch of self awareness you will admit your own failings. Takes time.

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    pat

    sweet. heard Phelps will concede at press conference today at midday, I think it was.

    20 May: news.com.au: Liberal candidate Dave Sharma declares victory in Wentworth
    Just seven months after being voted in, independent MP Kerryn Phelps is set to concede defeat to the Liberals in a key Sydney seat.

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    Hanrahan

    Only in America.

    A headline from Breitbart:

    Democrats in California Oppose HUD Plan to Prioritize Americans over Illegals for Public Housing

    They are stark raving mad. They call Trump a dictator and want to impeach him. Never heard of a dictator being open to impeachment.

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      PeterS

      The Democrats still don’t get it. The way they are going Trump will win the next election easily. I suspect the ALP+Greens here are of similar mind and won’t get the message of the election. I hope that’s the case so we can look forward to them staying out of government for a very long time. There only hope of ever getting back into government is for the ALP to make a serious change in political agendas and also dump the Greens.

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        theRealUniverse

        Its ‘a vote for ALP is a vote for the Greens’ syndrome that they have to get rid of ..true. They need to get back to real life.

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    PeterS

    I hear some lefties are threatening to move to NZ as a result of the surprise election result. I say please go. I beg you.

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      Graeme No.3

      Surely if they believe in (man made) Climatechange they would go to Antarctica.

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        WXcycles

        No trees to hug, trees like a warmer world.

        See the Carboniferous.

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        Greg in NZ

        N o o o o o o o . . . enough’s enough! Then again, thought I saw Barbs Streisand and Silly Myrus in disguise in town the other night – oh wait, it was along K Rd, silly me. From my CCCrap™ Bookmark File dated March 2014:

        “About 50 Christchurch community leaders have met representatives from the New York-based Rockefeller Foundation, to begin creating a resilience strategy for the city [with] a $1 million grant… Rockefeller Foundation president Judith Rodin said that as part of the network, Christchurch would benefit from the knowledge of the other cities”. Uh-oh, lookout.

        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/regional/239760/disaster-resilience-planning

        Five years later – to the very month – that resilience plan showed how un-sustainably un-resilient it was (meant to be?) on the Ides of March 2019. Mind you, Chch is the gateway to Antarctica with overseas military forces, or ‘climate scientists’, utilising the international airport as their POD (point of departure and/or arrival).

        I, for one, would welcome Greta and AOC and BS et al. if they so desired (a one-way ticket) to seek refuge on that (frozen volcanic archipelago) last hope for humanity… where it’s presently 17-below at Scott Base and 72-below up on the plateaux with no sunshine for another four months. Perfect place for those wanting a little ‘action’.

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          theRealUniverse

          “About 50 Christchurch community leaders have met representatives from the New York-based Rockefeller Foundation”
          No Greg, they are planning to move NZ closer to Antarctica to cool it down..

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            Greg in NZ

            “move NZ closer to Antarctica to cool it down” ? Surely you know, long long ago, proto-NZ was closer to Antarctica (or at least the southern pole) yet funnily enough was not only warmer, there was more CO₂ in the atmosphere too. Tell a believer that and watch their blood pressure rise and their eyes roll back in their sockets.

            https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ourchangingworld/audio/1801272/rich-fossil-site-in-a-volcanic-crater-in-otago

            Foulden Maar has been in the nooz recently as a Malaysian eco-palm oil investment business wants to bulldoze the cute little extinct volcano, the Pompeii of NZ, and grind the takings down into pig food and fertiliser. The above audio, from an earlier 2008 interview with two paleontologists, opens with an intro explaining that “23 million years ago, when the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere were as high as they are predicted for the near future…”

            Think about that for a moment. Mr I’m Looking For Climate Information also repeats the above between 4′ 30″ – 4′ 60″ of the interview. Wonder if any of the crocodiles or turtles or other tropical critters living there at the time thought to themselves, Panic – we’ve only got 23 million years left!

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        yarpos

        The same arrogance that lefty Americans have “I will move to XYZ” (note its never Venzuela or Cuba). They have such a high opinion of themselves they cant imagine that they may not actually be allowed to do that, and may be unwelcome and unwanted.

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      Hanrahan

      It looks as if the libs will have 77 seats which will allow a speaker from the party.

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      theRealUniverse

      NO NO dont contaminate NZ thats gonna make it worse! Kiwis, dump JA quick!

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      Annie

      Poor NZ. They have enough of their own far leftie crackpots already.

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        Greg in NZ

        Yes, Annie, there are a few; worse still, some of them are public servants government ministers, eg. dual American/NZ citizen, Minister of Oopsala, she of the shady shade of Green – “In one tweet [Thursday] Minister Julie Anne Genter said, ‘We need a few car f•sc!sts to stop opposing infrastructure that gives more people the option to walk, cycle or scoot safely if they wish’”.

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12231907

        “On Friday morning, Genter acknowledged it wasn’t the ‘greatest choice of words’”. No ship, Sherlock! With a BA in philosophy (Berkeley, CA), certificate in International Political Studies (Paris), a Masters of Planning Practice (Auckland) specialising in parking policy (!) and recently, a first-time mother – finally, a real job! – you would think empathy or tact would rate high on her professional skill set list… nah, ban the cars, ban the trucks, it’s magic pixie electric scooters to save the planet. Crackpot indeed.

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    pat

    still quoting ANONYMOUS, SMH?

    19 May: Brisbane Times: Tony Abbott under fire for refusing to retire before Warringah defeat
    By Jacqueline Maley (senior journalist, columnist and former Canberra press gallery sketch writer for SMH)
    One former colleague said Mr Abbott’s departure from federal politics would give relief from “culture war sh*t” and elevate the standing of moderate forces.
    “The removal of Abbott and [defeated conservative senator] Jim Molan and the election of other candidates like Dave Sharma [in Wentworth] and Fiona Martin [in Reid] means you’re getting more moderate people into the party room, with a contemporary outlook,” ***said one senior Liberal.
    “There will be a much cleaner pathway on emissions reduction and energy policy. A lot of the new people elected have no interest in this culture war sh*t. It won’t be pushed by the new generation people.”…
    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election-2019/tony-abbott-under-fire-for-refusing-to-retire-before-warringah-defeat-20190519-p51p18.html?ref=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss_feed

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    pat

    read all:

    18 May: Townhall: Getting to the Bottom of EPA Climate Fr**d
    by Paul Driessen
    https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2019/05/18/getting-to-the-bottom-of-epa-climate-fraud-n2546536

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    el gordo

    “There will be a much cleaner pathway on emissions reduction and energy policy.”

    Hele coal fired power stations for the states that want it, this would provide the opportunity for people to migrate around the country. The ‘progressives’ will become the states with baseload power and in this we have a part to play.

    ‘With polling and betting markets missing the mark, experts are increasingly turning to social media to judge voter sentiment on a larger scale.’

    Max Koslowski/SMH

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    mem

    Renew Economy the renewables propaganda site makes for interesting reading. Especially the comments. Have a laugh.https://reneweconomy.com.au/election-update-morrison-claims-victory-abbott-booted-out-climate-and-energy-policy-in-turmoil-36547/

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      Bill in Oz

      I read a few of those comments.
      The silly buggers can’t count.
      They still think that the ‘Independents’
      Are relevant & and can stop
      The government.

      Dohhhhh ?
      The Coalition has a majority.
      In the House of Reps.
      And increased senators as well.

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      Chad

      Its impossible to bother readng comments on a site that blocks anyone with a view that doesnt comply with their ideology.

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    pat

    20 May: ABC: Election results show Coalition secures 77 seats as Liberals win in Wentworth, Chisholm, Boothby and Bass
    Updated 22 minutes ago
    “The Coalition have a certain 75,” (ABC chief elections analyst Antony) Green said.
    “Bass will be 76 and Chisholm looks likely to be 77 and 78 is a possibility with Macquarie, but that is in doubt.”
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-20/election-coalition-get-77-seats-wentworth-boothby-bass-chisholm/11128652

    “independent” GetUp! gets hammered in the comments:

    TWEET: GetUp!
    Watching some of the results roll in last night was tough, but we have so much to be proud of.
    LIN FACEBOOK
    19 May 2019
    https://twitter.com/GetUp/status/1130057981540749314

    Facebook: GetUp!
    Watching some of the results roll in last night was tough, but we have so much to be proud of…
    It seems clear that a Morrison Government will be returned. Yet it’s still unclear whether they will have a bare majority or will need to rely on a clutch of independents who strongly support climate action, ***our ABC and increasing Newstart…

    now become harder. But we need to stand up for our climate and our Reef. We need to fight for ***our ABC, and a health system that takes care of all of us…
    https://www.facebook.com/GetUpAustralia/photos/a.401481301454/10156021216441455

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    A note of history; today Operation Mercury, the German airborne conquest of Crete began. The only example of such troops used successfully to capture such a large objective. Of course you had smaller tactical battles like Allied Paras in Normandy and previously in Tunisia and Sicily but Operation Market Garden was arguably the largest ever undertaken. The bridge at Arnhem ended in failure. Mercury, of course was in 1941.

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      Arguably?

      1st Airborne Army put about 34,600 British, American and Polish into Holland via parachute and glider.

      Mercury had 22,750 German ground troops, of which only 10750 were delivered by parachute or glider.

      What is of interest is the conclusions drawn by both sides. The Germans looked at the massive amount of KIA* and concluded massed airborne was a fools game. The Allies looked at the operation and decided that massed airborne changed invasions for the better and stepped up their training and recruiting.

      *When you normally see casualty figures from a battle they are killed, wounded and missing. Missing are either POW, dead but not identified or sometimes just the ones who haven’t returned to their units after being sent off somewhere. Loose rule of thumb is that ratio of KIA to WIA is 1:3 and it is expected that a respectful percentage of the wounded will recover and return to duty. At Crete the ratio of killed to wounded for 7. Flieger-Division was closer to 1:1 which shocked a lot of German commanders.

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    Here on the midcoast of NSW we had our lowest reading in all available Kempsey records just last year. It came late in the winter and I notice that the BoM has the reading italicised for uncertainty…but it was certainly a shocker of a morning. I did find a Taree reading from July of 1970 which was lower, and an August temp of -4 from 2003, but -4.2 at Kempsey is pretty startling.

    Of course, like our reverse spring a couple of years back (with each spring month’s max lower than the one before so that November was cooler than September) all of this was front front page in the Guardian, SMH, ABC etc. There were anxious discussions on The Conversation about impending LIA and the Byron Bay celebs sold their waterfronts because they felt the sea would recede and they’d be stuck inland. Yep, all of that happened on the basis of a few low minima.

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    pat

    subscription required:

    19 May: AFR: Tony Abbott touted as Washington envoy
    by John Kehoe, Andrew Clark and Jacob Greber
    Ousted former prime minister Tony Abbott is being touted by Liberal colleagues as a potential ambassador in Washington if he wants a foreign posting.
    https://www.afr.com/news/politics/national/tony-abbott-touted-as-washington-envoy-20190519-p51ow0

    ***AFR piece gets a mention here:

    20 May: Daily Mail: Tony’s next gig: Axed Abbott is touted to be Australia’s next $360,000-a-year US ambassador – and he’s already set to get a $300,000-a-year pension
    •Push for former PM Tony Abbott to be Australia’s next ambassador to the US
    By Kylie Stevens
    While Mr Abbott is yet to put his hand up for the $360,000-a-year gig, it’s understood he’s been touted by Liberal colleagues to replace current ambassador and former federal treasurer Joe Hockey, who’s set to return home when his four-year term expires next year.

    A strong supporter of the US-Australian alliance, it’s understood Mr Abbott would be a popular choice with US President Donald Trump and his administration…
    CHANGE.ORG PETITION…

    ***One source close to Mr Abbott told The Australian Financial Review they were unsure whether he’d be interested in a foreign role and may prefer to stay put in Australia…
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7047393/Abbott-touted-Australias-ambassador-Bill-Shorten-backed-Julie-Bishop-job.html

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    pat

    having interfered in the election, it’s worth noting:

    17 May: Aljazeera: Climate change to be decisive issue in Australian election
    Energy and global warming debates have dominated Australia’s election campaign, with many voters calling for change.
    by Max Walden
    “Climate change is shaping up to be a number one issue in this federal election,” said Kelly Albion, the head of campaigns at the Australian Youth Climate Coalition, attributing this to “young people as a moral voice for action on the greatest issue facing our generation”…
    Australia is one of the most vulnerable developed countries to climate change…
    “We’ve got repeated climate extremes, such as the torrential rain event in Townsville that killed over half a million cattle,” said professor Mark Howden, the director of the Climate Change Institute at the Australian National University (ANU).
    “There’s also growing evidence of impacts on ecosystems like the Great Barrier Reef, food and water.”…
    On Sunday, the launch of the ruling Liberal Party’s campaign was met protests by dozens of anti-Adani demonstrators outside the venue in Melbourne…
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/05/climate-change-decisive-issue-australian-election-190516032148978.html

    19 May: Aljazeera: Scott Morrison declares victory in tight Australia election
    PM hails ‘miracle’ win after Liberal-National coalition outperforms exit polls that predicted a Labor victory.
    by Max Walden
    A Nine-Galaxy poll on Saturday showed Labor winning as many as 82 seats in the 151-member House of Representatives.
    Newspoll, a poll conducted by The Australian newspaper, showed the coalition trailing Labor for the 50th consecutive time in March.
    A final Newspoll released on Friday showed the lowest primary vote intention for the coalition recorded on the eve of an election since Newspoll records began in 1987…

    ***Julie Bishop, a former foreign minister, said on television that (Tony) Abbott’s loss was punishment for being a “climate change denier”…
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2019/05/australia-election-liberal-led-coalition-headed-surprise-win-190518130308029.html

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    pat

    watch the video:

    VIDEO: 4min04sec: 19 May: Washington Examiner: Trey Gowdy: FBI withheld ‘game changer’ transcript material from FISA Court
    by Jerry Dunleavy
    Former Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., says there are unreleased transcripts of recorded conversations between FBI informants and former Trump campaign associate George Papadopoulos that “has the potential to be a game changer.”…
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trey-gowdy-fbi-withheld-game-changer-transcript-material-from-fisa-court

    earlier:

    VIDEO: 4min03sec: 16 May: Fox News: FBI tried to get my wife to ‘entrap’ me, former Trump aide Papadopoulos says
    By Victor Garcia; Frank Miles contributed
    Former Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos said Thursday that the FBI tried to get his wife to wear a wire to “entrap” him and that he thinks Congress “probably has transcripts” of meetings he had that prove he was spied on by the FBI…
    Papadopoulos also told host Laura Ingraham that he thinks Congress and the president have already seen transcripts of meetings the former Trump aide had and that it will be a “big bombshell” when revealed…READ ALL
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/papadopoulos-fbi-tried-to-get-my-wife-to-entrap-me

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    20 May: Australian Mining: Coal proves decisive factor in Coalition election win
    Labor’s staunch opposition to the coal industry was a key contributor to the election result, according to chief executive officer of the Coal Council of Australia, Greg Evans.
    “Anti-coal policies concerning Adani, the suggestion of ‘transitioning’ of coal workers elsewhere and resisting coal-fired power generation have damaged the Labor Party, and as they reset their policy platform, they need to reverse their anti-coal positions,” he said.
    “Suggestions that coal workers are second class citizens has rightly been viewed as insulting.”

    Evans instead praised the Coalition’s support of coal, claiming it was a key factor in its victory.
    “Resources Minister Matt Canavan has been an active and very effective supporter of the coal sector and his advocacy has engendered trust throughout the coal regions,” he said…

    The Australian Resources and Energy Group (AMMA) also welcomed the Coalition’s victory, taking aim at the Labor Party for its “divisive class warfare rhetoric”…READ ON
    https://www.australianmining.com.au/news/mining-industry-welcomes-coalition-election-win/

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      read all, lots of quotes:

      20 May: news.com.au: Tanya Plibersek’s disastrous comment that cost Labor Queensland
      Tanya Plibersek has been slammed over a remark she made in the lead-up to the election, which may have cost her party the crucial state of Queensland.
      by Gavin Fernando; with Daniel McCulloch (AAP)
      Bob Katter has slammed Tanya Plibersek over Labor’s spectacular election loss in Queensland, blaming her and others who spoke out against the Adani coalmine for the unexpected result.
      The Maverick MP said the deputy opposition leader made a serious error in hitting out at the coal industry.
      “Tanya Plibersek ran amok … she was out there denigrating the coal industry and saying it will phase out,” he told Sky News. “To say that on the eve of the election, in which there are six marginal seats in North Queensland in the coal belt, was absolutely disastrous.

      “The ALP was certain on the polling to take all six seats. Now she and a bunch of loudmouthed extremists that have immense power in the Labor movement have seized control of the Labor movement to very much the detriment of the Labor Party.”
      He said that, as a result, the Labor Party “blew all six seats to smithereens”…READ ALL
      https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/tanya-pliberseks-disastrous-comment-that-cost-labor-queensland/news-story/ce23063dae5823f165f9c8b6f8c26453

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    19 May: Xinhua: China’s raw coal production sees stable expansion in Jan-April
    China’s raw coal production rose 0.6 percent year on year to 1.11 billion tonnes in the first four months of the year, according to the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS).
    In April alone, raw coal output edged up 0.1 percent from one year ago to 290 million tonnes. The daily average output of raw coal stood at 9.81 million tonnes last month, according to the bureau.
    Imports of raw coal jumped 13.6 percent year on year to 25.3 million tonnes in April…

    ON CUE, A CHINA (AND INDIA) APOLOGIST:

    19 May: ForeignPolicyMag: Shadow Government: Leaving the Paris Agreement Is a Bad Deal for the United States
    Trump’s plan to quit the accord would provide serious cover for major emitters like China and India.
    By Rick Duke
    (Rick Duke is president of Gigaton Strategies and a nonresident senior fellow in the Foreign Policy program at the Brookings Institution. Previously, he served as special assistant to President Barack Obama, helping to craft the 2013 Climate Action Plan)

    The U.S. House of Representatives passed legislation this month aimed at preventing President Donald Trump’s withdrawal from the 2016 Paris climate accord and mandating that the United States develop a strategy to achieve the commitments it made under the agreement.
    The Republican-controlled Senate is unlikely to give it the green light—and Trump could begin withdrawal procedures in November and formally withdraw from Paris a day after the 2020 election. All indications suggest that this is his goal…
    Trump points out that China is permitted to grow its emissions until 2030, and that India demanded “billions and billions and billions” of dollars to enter the deal, while the United States gets nothing.

    It is true that China has committed to peak its emissions around 2030, but it has also committed to lower the carbon intensity of its economy to 60-65 percent below its 2005 level and to more than double the share of carbon-free energy in its entire economy over the same time period. This will require China to make massive investments in clean energy, and the country is already delivering, tracking to 50 percent clean power by 2030 based mainly on ***torrid expansion of wind and solar. India has also committed to reduce the emissions intensity of its economy by 33-35 percent below 2005 levels over the same period, and it is also acting seriously, including installing renewables at a ***furious pace…
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/19/leaving-the-paris-agreement-is-a-bad-deal-for-the-united-states/

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      pat

      20 May: MoneyControl: Major ports cargo traffic rises 6% to 60 MT in April
      by Press Trust of India
      India’s 12 major ports recorded 5.65 percent rise in cargo handling to 60.07 million tonnes (MT) in April this fiscal, mainly due to higher demand for coal, petroleum, oil and lubricants, industry body IPA said…
      Coking coal volumes handled by the 12 ports surged by 30.62 percent to 5.51 million tonnes (MT) during the first month this fiscal, while thermal and steam coal grew 12.65 percent to 10.91 MT.
      Thermal coal is the mainstay of the country’s energy programme as 70 percent of power generation is dependent on the dry fuel, while coking coal is used mainly for steel-making…

      India is the third-largest producer of coal after China and the US and has 299 billion tonnes of resources and 123 billion tonnes of proven reserves, which may last for over 100 years…
      https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/economy/major-ports-cargo-traffic-rises-6-to-60-mt-in-april-3991521.html

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        pat

        two pieces of total CAGW propaganda from Reuters, still claiming industry wants certainty etc:

        19 May: Reuters: In coal we trust: Australia’s voters back PM Morrison’s faith in fossil fuel
        by Sonali Paul
        Australia’s re-elected Prime Minister Scott Morrison once brandished a lump of coal in parliament, crying, “This is coal – don’t be afraid!” His surprise win in what some dubbed the ‘climate election’ may have stunned the country, but voters should know what comes next in energy policy – big coal.

        Battered by extended droughts, damaging floods, and more bushfires, Australian voters had been expected to hand a mandate to the Labor party to pursue its ambitious targets for renewable energy and carbon emissions cuts…

        ADANI JOBS = VOTES FOR COALITION…
        ???At the same time, Australia, the world’s second-largest exporter of coal for power, faces falling demand for coal as its biggest customers – Japan, South Korea, China, Taiwan and India – are shifting toward cleaner energy, said Tim Buckley, a director at the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis…
        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-election-energy/in-coal-we-trust-australias-voters-back-pm-morrisons-faith-in-fossil-fuel-idUSKCN1SP06F

        19 May: CNBC: COLUMN-Australia’s shock election shows killing coal mining is no sure thing
        by Clyde Russell, Reuters
        LAUNCESTON, Australia – While Australia’s opposition Labor Party is the obvious loser from the weekend election, the anti-coal environmental lobby suffered probably a bigger blow and will need to re-think its strategy to end mining of the polluting fuel…
        Morrison, prior to becoming the third Liberal leader in five years last August, once brandished a lump of coal in parliament in a show of support for the mining industry and the use of the fuel in generating electricity…

        “Start Adani,” was a two-word tweet from Resources Minister Matt Canavan, about 2 3/4 hours after voting closed on May 18, when it was starting to become clear that the Liberals were about to pull off a stunning victory…

        GREEN ACTIVISTS IGNORED…
        Where the message of climate changed played well in Australia ***was in those rich suburbs of cities, with climate change denier and former prime minister Tony Abbott losing his Sydney-based seat to independent candidate and former Olympic skier Zali Steggall, who campaigned in favour of stronger environmental policies…
        https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/19/reuters-america-column-australias-shock-election-shows-killing-coal-mining-is-no-sure-thing-russell.html

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          20 May: MiningMonthly: Olive Downs to deliver Qld $5.6B in royalties
          PEMBROKE Resources’ Olive Downs coking coal project in the Bowen Basin is estimated to return $5.6 billion in coal royalties to the Queensland government over its 79-year-life.
          The project will contribute an estimated $8 billion to the local economy and more than $10 billion to the Queensland economy…

          19 May: KPVI: Lawmakers still looking for ways to prevent early coal plant closures
          by Ramsey Scott, Wyoming Tribune Eagle
          CHEYENNE – Four of Wyoming’s coal-fired power plants have been identified as potential targets for early closures to save money. And state lawmakers have worked to put up as many roadblocks as possible to keep Rocky Mountain Power from turning off the lights at those aging plants.
          During this year’s legislative session, lawmakers passed Senate File 159, which requires power companies make a good-faith effort to sell a coal-fired power plant before retiring it early…

          19 May: TribLive, Pennsylvania: Coal still fuels economic fire in Pennsylvania, industry study reports
          by Stephen Huba
          A new study — conducted by the Allegheny Conference on Community Development and commissioned by the Pennsylvania Coal Alliance — found that coal mining accounts for nearly $7 billion in economic activity in the state, including $4.6 billion directly from mining and $2.27 billion from indirect and induced contributions.
          Indirect spending primarily comes from supply-chain industries, while induced spending comes from employees who buy goods and services…
          The state’s coal industry generated 17,770 jobs in 2017, including 6,000 directly tied to mining activity and 11,000 related to the supply chain and support services, the study said…
          The study was completed using data from federal and state government sources, noting the industry produced 49 million tons of coal during the period, with exports of bituminous coal increasing 117 percent over 2016 levels…
          After a decade of declines, coal production has stabilized and is expected to remain steady for several years, Gleason said, citing the international demand for metallurgical coal and increased stability in the thermal coal markets…

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            pat

            Latham interviewed by Paul Murray, Sky News:

            VIDEO: 8min23sec: 19 May: Weekly Times: Mark Latham: Election showed disconnect of leftist elites
            New South Wales One Nation Senator Mark Latham says the federal election displayed a massive disconnect between the ‘leftist elites’ on policy issues, and the rest of the country in vast suburbs and regions. Mr Latham says when closing down coal, eliminating manufacturing and deindustrialising regional economies is discussed, it does not go down well, which was evident in the results of Queensland and the NSW Hunter Valley. Speaking to Sky News, Mr Latham says you can have ‘Hari Krishna-type’ gatherings about action on climate change on the ABC, but ‘out in the real world, it is a stinker’.
            https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/national/election-showed-disconnect-of-leftist-elites-latham/video/a9819b3c32ae189fde98e24599b14826

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    Peter

    A really good article on the election.
    https://streetwiseprofessor.com/

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    OriginalSteve

    Unexpected tech headache?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-19/will-5g-undermine-weather-prediction

    There have been a number of media stories this week about a major threat to weather prediction: the sale of electromagnetic spectrum for new 5G cellphone service. The problem is that some of the wavelengths being auctioned off for 5G are critical for an important class of weather satellites, with 5G signals potentially undermining our ability to forecast the weather.”

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      theRealUniverse

      Not really, 5G in Oz , and a quite a few other countries, use the 3.5GHz spectrum which is also used as the C band satellite down link. This was opposed, at the ITU, quite vigorously by engineers from Intelsat and other satellite providers as being unsuitable and possible interference to that service. It has gone ahead anyway. The other bands are up in the millimeter wave bands, 27, 35, 47, 66GHz which dont affect that area. There is allot of 5G disinfo on the net about how it will cause health problems, mostly unfounded.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G_NR_frequency_bands
      C-Band 3300 – 4200

      Id be more concerned about spyware than the operating bands.

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        theRealUniverse

        Recheck.
        “Unfortunately, this is close to 23.8 GHz, a frequency in which water vapor emits microwave radiation and which is used by weather satellites to determine the three-dimension properties of the atmosphere.”

        Possible, there but use of that band maybe limited.

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    How many pollies have now succumbed to the “climate” farce, by simply refusing to call it out for the insanity it is?
    Rudd, Gillard, Turncoat, Shorty, and now our beloved Abbott. Hunt was saved for some reason.

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    Andrew McRae

    Just testing unicode characters here.
    00b0 = °
    061f = ؟
    ffed = ■
    1f58f = 🖏
    1f984 = 🦄

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    pat

    30sec trailer. theirABC’s idea of the most important story of the federal election!

    20 May: ABC Four Corners: Abbott’s End
    How Tony Abbott lost the fight of his political life…
    On Monday, Four Corners brings you the inside story of how the battle for Warringah was lost and won. Over the course of the campaign, reporter Sean Nicholls has been documenting the hardest fought contest of the election.
    In interviews with key players, the program reveals the strategy behind the Steggall campaign, the roots of the insurgency within the seat of Warringah and the roles played by the key activist groups, GetUp and Advance Australia…
    https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/abbotts-end/11129504

    shut down the ABC.

    on Sky Australia last nite, someone said The Age didn’t even have the election on their front page Sunday, and they showed what they said was another 9Network/Fairfax newspaper with the headline “Voters reject Labor” and a pic of Shorten taking up virtually the entire front page.

    what a joke the FakeNewMSM is.

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      pat

      20 May: TV Tonight: Four Corners updates “Abbott’s End.”
      by David Knox
      What was previously titled as “The Fight of His Life” is now “Abbott’s End: How Tony Abbott lost the fight of his political life.”
      It’s not clear if Abbott participated in any of the filming (unlikely).
      Here are both press releases, before and after election results…

      BEFORE:
      (excerpts)
      “I think that Tony Abbott’s time in politics has come, and gone.” Peter Fitzsimons, columnist…
      Mr Abbott’s challenger is the independent candidate, Zali Steggall, who has sought to turn the vote into a virtual referendum on climate change, transforming the issue that’s made him a hero of the right, into potential political poison on home soil…
      The result will have powerful ramifications far beyond the seat of Warringah, with many believing the result will determine the future of the Liberal Party…READ ON
      https://tvtonight.com.au/2019/05/four-corners-updates-abbotts-end.html

      TWEET: Zali Steggall
      LINK SMH: “New developments in renewable energy and Australian advantages have made it clearer than ever that the country could prosper exceptionally in the post-carbon world.”
      SMH: Australia can be ‘superpower of post carbon world’: Ross Garnaut
      15 May 2019
      https://twitter.com/zalisteggall/status/1128821035619368960

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      Kinky Keith

      Focus, focus, focus.

      Gotcha!!!!!!!!!

      Distraction from the issue; Laba Lost.

      The local issue for Warringah is that people can be led by others, probably dumber than themselves.

      How will that feeling be resolved; that they are now seen as having been manipulated by a multi million dollar program of hypnotic suggestion.

      KK

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    pat

    in denial:

    20 May: Guardian: After the climate election: shellshocked green groups remain resolute
    Environmentalists reject suggestions tactics such as the Stop Adani convoy cost Labor the election
    by Paul Karp
    The environmental movement drew first blood on election night by helping independent Zali Steggall oust Tony Abbott but, in the end, the Coalition – which rated a miserable 4% on the Australian Conservation Foundation’s climate change scorecard – won…

    The Australian Conservation Foundation chief executive, Kelly O’Shanassy, told Guardian Australia climate “was definitely a top issue in the election … but it didn’t convert to votes in all the places it needed to”.

    The Wilderness Society national campaigns director, Lyndon Schneiders, said its campaign got swings in eight out of its nine target seats, despite Labor falling short in Reid, Flinders, Kooyong and likely Boothby…
    Schneiders said the Wilderness Society will hold a review of its first national campaign in a decade but – far from the environment losing the election for Labor – it “in many respects was one of the real positives for them”…

    Paul Oosting, the national director of GetUp, said “the leading climate denier Tony Abbott was unseated”. “It’s clear the Coalition aren’t meeting the public’s expectations and need to change their approach or face more Warringahs.”…

    O’Shanassy said concern about climate change “goes across political lines”. During door-knocking in the electorate of Chisholm, eight out of 10 voters committed to consider the climate, including Liberal voters…
    “Climate change is complex issue and people are confused by it and where the parties stand – it’s up to the ACF to help Australians understand that better,” O’Shanassy said…
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/20/after-the-climate-election-shellshocked-green-groups-remain-resolute

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    Craig Kelly is in with a significant swing in his direction.
    Surely the damned factions will understand the science fiction is a dead issue.

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    pat

    the public wouldn’t even have a clue what Giles and Sophie are talking about:

    20 May: RenewEconomy: Environment markets suffer as Coalition win kills emissions, renewable targets
    by Giles Parkinson & Sophie Vorrath
    The first tangible impact from the surprise re-election of the Morrison Coalition government has been a direct hit on environmental markets, where the price of renewable energy certificates and Australian carbon credits (yes, we do already have a carbon market) both fell.

    As the overall share market surged, traders said the price of renewable energy certificates, officially known as LGCs (large scale generation certificates) slumped from $41/MWh to around $38/MWh, while the price of ACCUs (the Australian carbon credit units), fell 80c to $16.25…

    “We anticipate that LGC prices could ease from here,” Morgan Stanley analysts said in a note to clients. “Under a returned Coalition government we see little scope for additional LGC demand.”
    Marco Stella, from TFS Green, agreed…READ ON
    https://reneweconomy.com.au/environment-markets-suffer-as-coalition-win-kills-emissions-renewable-targets-34488/

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    pat

    clearly they believe they won the election!

    20 May: Canberra Times: War on wind and renewable energy must end
    by Andrew Bray
    (Andrew Bray is the National Coordinator of the Australian Wind Alliance)
    Six years ago Australia’s climate policy went from global leader to laughing stock. Prior to 2013, an effective Clean Energy Bill had been in place, but it was repealed when Tony Abbott came to power. Two years later, he underlined his hostility to wind energy, calling wind turbines “visually awful”…

    A further 15 new wind farms being built now have created 3,200 direct local jobs and 7,600 indirect jobs in local businesses that supply to the projects.
    Alongside the boom in new wind farms, there has been a dramatic increase in public concern over climate change with a large majority calling for climate action.
    A recent survey by the Australia Institute found that two in three want a rapid transition to 100 per cent renewable energy and a majority support the statement that “Australia is facing a climate change emergency and should take emergency action”…
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6131688/war-on-wind-and-renewables-must-end/

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    pat

    CAGW political? nah!

    20 May: RenewEconomy: Denial and confusion live on, as energy hopes turn to states and AEMO
    by Giles Parkinson
    At the Sydney Theatre Company’s performance of Cat on a Hat Tin Roof on Saturday night, the cast members sensed the change of mood almost immediately after the interval, when the audience at the Roslyn Packer Theatre had the opportunity to buy a drink and check their mobiles for election updates.
    “It was as though the energy had been sucked right out of the room,” one cast member told me the next day.

    That same sense of emptiness – like a deflated balloon – was experienced across the country, at least for the one half of the population that didn’t want the Coalition to retain power, and for those in the energy and the electric vehicle sectors who had assumed that they would finally have a government happy to shift policies to embrace the 21st century…
    https://reneweconomy.com.au/denial-and-confusion-live-on-as-energy-hopes-turn-to-states-and-aemo-33276/

    20 May: RenewEconomy: Don’t like election result? Then go 100 per cent renewables, right now
    by Rob Passey
    (Rob Passey is senior research associated (CEEM) and post-doctoral fellow (SPREE) at the faculty of engineering at UNSW)
    Yes I know, we actually had the chance to drag Australia into the 21st century, and it was taken away from us by lies and deceit. I’m not happy either…

    With renewable energy certificates (LGCs) being around $40 and dropping (so 4c/kWh), GreenPower should get cheaper…
    https://reneweconomy.com.au/dont-like-election-result-then-go-100-per-cent-renewables-right-now-91053/

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    pat

    ASX poised for modest opening gain
    In-Depth – The Australian Financial Review – 11 hours ago

    ASX closes $33 billion higher at 12-year high
    SMH – 7min ago

    20 May: AFR: Morrison makes markets great again
    by William McInnes
    The S&P/ASX 200 Index opened 85.7 points, or 1.4 per cent, higher at 6451, hitting its highest level since December 14, 2007…
    Renewable energy operator Infigen Energy was 4.8 per cent weaker on Monday, trading at 44.25¢…

    ACCORDING TO THESE ARTICLES, THE SURGE IS NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD THING.

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    pat

    pretty pathetic:

    20 May: SBS: AAP: New baseload power supply on the horizon
    The federal government will prioritise its plan to boost supply in the electricity market, with a decision looming on its shortlist of projects to underwrite…
    Gas, hydro and a coal station upgrade are among the shortlisted projects.
    “We set out all our energy policies at the election and that’s what I’m going to do,” he told 2GB radio on Monday.
    The plan also features a $10 million feasibility study into ways to meet the energy needs of heavy industry in north and central Queensland, including a coal-fired power plant at Collinsville.

    Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack says the power plant would supply Gladstone, which is a “very big user of power”.
    “If we want the cement factories to close and all those sorts of high-end industrial needs not met then we can go down the path of ignoring the situation,” he told Triple M radio Riverina.
    “But we need to make sure that we have a balance – both renewables and traditional power – because it’s the only way forward.”…

    Following the coalition’s win the National Union of Workers also put out a strongly worded statement on the climate emergency, saying it threatens the future of jobs…
    NSW Liberal senator Arthur Sinodinos says the energy sector is transitioning, with high levels of renewable investment rolling in, meaning more policy will be needed down the track.
    “It’s not just a cost, it’s an opportunity to create potential new industry and a new cost base. I think we can embrace that,” he told ABC Radio National.
    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/new-baseload-power-supply-on-the-horizon

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    pat

    20 May: France24: Germany’s far-right AfD warms to climate change denial
    AFP (Berlin): They deny global warming, oppose wind farms, defend diesel engines and coal mines, and mock teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg as a green “cult” leader.
    Politicians of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) have discovered climate change denial in their campaign for European Parliamentary elections.

    In times of bitter social polarisation, the AfD has trained its sights on those voters who see ecological issues as an elitist concern that kills jobs and hurts industry…
    “We would be crazy to ignore this topic,” party leader Joerg Meuthen told the Spiegel daily. “As a politician, you have to address the issues that people worry about.”

    Stella Schaller of Berlin’s Adelphi environmental policy think-tank said the AfD was indeed addressing an issue on many voters’ minds, but with “an anti-liberal, anti-scientific ideology”…
    “Populist parties, with their rejection of progressive climate policy, appeal to those who feel a diffuse fear of the future or who fear profound transformative change.”…
    (The party’s co-leader Alexander) Gauland predicted the rise of renewable energy would turn Europe into a “deindustrialised settlement region covered in wind farms”, which the party has also protested against…

    AfD social media posts mentioned climate fewer than 300 times in 2017-18, but that figure more than tripled over the past year, said a study by Greenpeace Unearthed and the counter-extremism Institute of Strategic Dialogue…

    In Stuttgart, home of iconic auto makers Daimler and Porsche, yellow-vested protesters have held “diesel demos”, some carrying AfD placards with adhesive tape obscuring the party logo at the request of rally organisers.
    On the European level, the AfD is not alone: a study by the Adelphi institute found that most right-wing populists either see climate change as unimportant, deny its existence or believe it is not man-made.
    Seven of the 21 parties the study examined were rated as “deniers and sceptics”, among them the AfD, Britain’s UKIP and the Freedom Party of Austria…
    https://www.france24.com/en/20190520-germanys-far-right-afd-warms-climate-change-denial

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    pat

    RE giant/climate leader Scotland. note the difference between “fuel poverty” and “extreme fuel poverty”:

    16 May: HeraldScotland: New law would class one in ten Scots households as in “extreme” fuel poverty
    By Stephen Naysmith
    A government paper updating fuel poverty estimates that following changes to the Fuel Poverty (Targets, Definition and Strategy) Bill, which is currently making its way through Holyrood, a new definition means the number of homes in extreme fuel poverty would rise.
    Under the legislation, homes where more than 20% of the household’s adjusted net income goes on energy bills are classed as extremely fuel poor…
    Civil servants examined Scotland’s extreme fuel poverty rate in 2017 and found the current definition gives a rate of 7.0%, or 174,000 homes, rising to 293,000 (11.9%) under the planned new classification…

    The rate of extreme fuel poverty in rural areas showed little change, going from 16% under the current classification to 19% under the new rules.
    In urban areas, fuel poverty rates were slightly higher under the new definition (23%) than the current definition (21%), and extreme fuel poverty rates doubled to 10%…

    Jamie Stewart, Citizens Advice Scotland energy spokesman, said: “These figures continue to show the scale of the problem which people have been experiencing across the country.
    “The Citizens Advice network in Scotland helps hundreds of thousands of people each year, and for thousands of our clients fuel poverty and soaring energy bills is a source of stress and anxiety…
    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17644589.new-law-would-class-one-in-ten-scots-households-as-in-extreme-fuel-poverty/

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    pat

    theirABC ignores the voters on AM, Breakfast & The World Today:

    20 May: ABC AM: Slowing economy, climate change challenges for new gov’t: economists
    By Peter Ryan on AM
    Economists say the new Morrison government must now take action on climate change and heed the message from the ousting of former prime minister Tony Abbott.
    Guests:
    Jo Masters, chief economist, Ernst & Young
    Sarah Hunter, chief Australian economist, BIS Oxford Economics

    20 May: ABC AM: Back to work: Coalition plans new Cabinet amid calls for new NEG
    By Stephanie Borys on AM
    Returning Prime Minister Scott Morrison must finalise his new-look frontbench and then get to work on policies, including on climate change and energy, amid calls from some quarters to re-examine the National Energy Guarantee.

    20 May: ABC Breakfast: Election result gives Coalition climate action opportunity, Steggall says
    The new member for Warringah has pledged stronger action on climate change, and as she sits on the crossbench, she could have a key say if the Coalition falls short of a majority.

    20 May: ABC The World Today: Election victory a chance for new reform discussion: Melinda Cilento
    By Eleanor Hall on The World Today
    What do business leaders want to see from the newly elected Morrison government?
    Economist Melinda Cilento, chief executive of the Committee for Economic Development of Australia (CEDA), speaks with The World Today’s Eleanor Hall.
    She says both business and the community are looking for certainty around climate change and energy…

    20 May: ABC The World Today: Kerryn Phelps urges climate action, concedes defeat to Sharma
    On The World Today with Eleanor Hall
    Dr Phelps thanked her supporters and urged Prime Minister Scott Morrison to focus on a key issue highlighted in her campaign for re-election.

    SHUT DOWN THE ABC.

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      el gordo

      Mass delusion eminates from aunty, I second the motion to shut down the Australian Brainwashing Corp.

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