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Rank denial: Australia spends $5b but has “no climate plan”

When is five billion dollars equal to zero? When the climate cult is doing maths.

Australia spends at least five billion dollars a year trying to reduce emissions, yet it’s as if it doesn’t exist.

The angst continues, along with the denial that Australia has “a climate plan” :

“The fight is not over,” said  Greenpeace Australia.

Calling the results “horrifying,” NYU professor Kate Crawford said on Twitter: “We’re on the brink of climate catastrophe. Australia is one of the top carbon emitters per capita in the world. The new leader has no climate change policy, and walked into parliament waving a chunk of coal. Not even kidding.”

Australia has the most aggressive climate action plan per capita on Earth. Just ask the ANU. Blakers et al wrote the report called: Australia: the renewable energy superstar. It showed that, per capita, Australia is installing unreliable generators in a blitzkrieg pace, more than twice as fast as Germany is, and 4-5 times faster per capita than the EU, USA, Japan and China.

Despair out of all proportion:

“A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,” Michael Mann, atmospheric science professor and director of the Penn State Earth System Science Center, told ThinkProgress.

@GreenpeaceAP

This is not a tweet we thought we’d have to make. We’re looking into the eyes of our friends, families and colleagues and seeing them all searching for answers, but only able to ask the same questions: How? Why? Where do we go from here?

Obviously it doesn’t matter what Scott Morrison spends or does — they’ll still be “horrified”. It shows this has nothing to do with the climate, and nothing to do with emissions. It’s only about power. What matters is that Australia didn’t elect a grand socialist. Anything less is a disaster to the acolytes of Big Government.

It’s time sensible people stopped trying to appease innumerateglobal bullies.

h/t Pat

 

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204 comments to Rank denial: Australia spends $5b but has “no climate plan”

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    el gordo

    ‘Australia is one of the top carbon emitters per capita in the world.’

    Its mealy-mouthed.

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      PeterS

      Yes and this sort of rubbish is continuing while much of the rest of the world is building hundreds and hundreds of new coal fired power stations. Go figure. Over time more and more Australians will wake up to the reality that any action on climate change is pointless and counter-productive, and the stronger any party supports such action the less popular it will be.

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        And the false rationalization for this pointless action is a result of the knowingly and willful misrepresentation of science for the purpose of supporting policy designed to harm the economies of the developed world.

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          PeterS

          Deep down in some leftists there is an evil tendency to do just that. It’s just in their nature. They simply hate the West so much they rather have it destroyed in any way they can, be it via the climate change scam or any other scam they can create. Then there are the gullible or stupid who don’t even know how little CO2 there is in our atmosphere and how it’s impossible that any action on our part to cut emissions will have an impact on altering that amount let alone the climate. Then there are the wealthy who are in it just for the money and/or power, many of whom must know CAGW is a hoax. It’s the biggest scam of all time. Scam artists have been put into prison for life for lesser scams.

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          Tom O

          No, its designed to reduce the population of the developed world, and in so doing, it will also reduce the population of the developing world. Never forget that this is about “saving GAIA from the human virus,” and nothing else.

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          Tom O

          No, this is about reducing the population of the developed world, and by doing so, will reduce the population of the developing world that is dependent on the developed world. This is about “saving GAIA from the human virus,” and nothing else.

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      theRealUniverse

      ‘Australia is one of the top carbon emitters per capita in the world.’ 1 molecule in 100000000 will do an awful lot wont it.
      Shows these people have NO grasp of any reality whatsoever.

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        OriginalSteve

        Well, highest emitters of stuff that doesnt matter is like complaining 1,000,000 x zero is a big number……

        These people are idiots.

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      TdeF

      So what? If the fantasy science was true, it’s only total CO2 which matters.

      Since when is Global temperature measured ‘per capita’?

      China, the world’s greatest CO2 emitter is a receiver of carbon credit cash, partly for their hydro stations because they didn’t build coal fired power stations. They claim to be an historic victim as the CO2 was created in the 20th century and not their fault and they demand compensation.

      98% of all CO2 comes from the countries demanding we pay them. Per capita we have much more Global Warming than other countries and should receive much more money. The greatest amount should go to Tuvalu.

      Nonsense.

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        Hasbeen

        It really is time to recognise that all these greeny organisations are actually large business, remove their charity tax free status, & start taxing them at corporate rates. Their objectives are most definitely not charitable.

        At least that way they would be doing something useful, like reducing the deficit.

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          Bill in Oz

          They are NOT charities if they have a political agenda.
          Take them off the charities register.
          Maybe allow them to register as political lobby groups
          Which is what they are.

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            WXcycles

            All fundamentalist religions are typically classified as charities for taxation purposes. Thus their anti-human doom apocalypse madness and assorted utopia fantasies are encouraged, as such groups are often politically useful, either in Democracy or a Dictatorship.

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          Greg in NZ

          These people are idiots… these people have NO grasp of any reality whatsoever.

          Methinks these shysters-in-suits know exactly what they are doing. Take UN chief sock-puppet Antonio Guterres (somebody please, take him!) who’s spent the last month flying around the beautiful warm tropical cyclone-free South Pacific (aeroplanes, helicopters, limousines, 4x4s, staying at the best digs, eating the best food, surrounded by the obligatory troupe of media and secretaries and security and wives and concubines) whilst back in Europe ’twas cold and rainy and snowy and bulging full of Hillary & Obama’s illegals…

          https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/389490/antonio-guterres-visits-the-extreme-front-line-of-the-global-climate-emergency

          yet he has the audacity to describe we Antipodeans as living on the “front-line” of some make-believe computer game “emergency” based on irrelevant falsified adjusted and out-dated dog-doo data?

          “Mr Guterres tweeted that ‘rising seas threaten to drown’ Tuvalu, and warned it was ‘a sign of what’s in store for us all’, before making a plea for urgent climate action” [more taxes and laws]. Far cough!

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            yarpos

            That’s they same Tuvalu that’s growing in land area is it? the one thats rising seas threaten to drown? not some other Tuvalu?

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              Greg in NZ

              Aye aye Captain, the one and the same, hence the out-dated dog-doo data jibe. Antonio needs to get with it, his info’s 20 years behind the times… guess that’s what happens when your science settles.

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        theRealUniverse

        Tuvalu. probably doesnt have a great GDP or earn much so, they have to get the money ‘somehow’ oh yes..the CO2 scam will work nicely thanks.

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          TdeF

          Population of 11,192. Independent nation. Slightly behind that behemoth of the Pacific, Nauru with a population of 13,649.
          Their CO2 output per capita may be the worst in the world, but amounts to exactly nothing.

          Given that Australians support an entire continent with less population than Shanghai, there are more trees, more shrubs and more blades of grass per head of population than any other country. We probably have a lower per capita nett output than most countries. It may even be negative, certainly after a drought.

          So we should be paid to exist with carbon credits from taxes on the rich tens of thousands of public servants who work for the EU and UN without owning a tree. 10,000 employees of the EU earn more than the British Prime Minister, even before all the tax breaks and free education and travel.

          The EU is a scam as well as the UN. Unelected, unrepresentative ratbags accountable to no one.

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          Greg in NZ

          https://www.news.com.au/technology/the-island-nation-of-tuvalu-is-being-kept-afloat-by-its-domain-name/news-story/9af6c78e14c071013ddd7fa9ac64aa7f

          “Tuvalu is ticking along thanks to millions in revenue from two tiny letters: .tv… The scheme got off to a rough start, but it’s now the South Pacific nation’s largest source of income… DotTV paid Tuvalu $US50 million over 12 years for the right to sell .tv to other companies. With some of the money earned in the deal, Tuvalu was finally able to afford the $100,000 it cost to join the United Nations“.

          Warning: article contains photo of a royal willy and his concubine on a 2012 visit. Enter at your own risk.

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      Looking at the OCO2 imaging, it is reasonable to conclude that Australia’s net carbon emissions are more or less zero. NASA seems to be confirming that by trying to hype CO emissions from bushfires. I doubt that CO from bushfires is an issue. The birds flying round the perimeter of fires waiting to pick up escaping fauna don’t seem to be affected, unlike the birds hanging around wind turbines.

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      reformed warmist of logan

      Good afternoon El Gordo,
      I think you mean “carbon dioxide eitters”!
      Oh I wish I had a $ for everyone who makes this rookie error! (L.O.L.)
      Warm Regards, reformed warmist of Logan

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      Geoff

      Last time I looked the power bill was not going down. The LNP failed my wallet test but the other choice would have taken the wallet and demanded my first born.

      So LNP bad.
      ALP & Greens horrific.

      When is someone going to deliver on smaller government?

      Sell the ABC, shut Federal Departments that are duplicated by State Government.

      Hold Federal Parliaments outside of Canberra.

      Change the tax system to a transaction tax.

      This could all get done.

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      TdeF

      “NYU professor Kate Crawford said on Twitter: “We’re on the brink of climate catastrophe. Australia is one of the top carbon emitters per capita in the world.”

      Two can play at this silliness.

      Australia is the lowest carbon emitter per square kilometer in the world.

      So here is the table.. in metric tons per square km
      Country CO2

      China 942
      United States 524
      India 628
      Russia 86
      Japan 3020
      Germany 2044
      South Korea 5848
      Iran 335
      Canada 55
      Saudi Arabia 247
      Brazil 53
      Mexico 2276
      Australia 50

      As you can see, we are champions of low CO2 output. That’s why Direct Action works. We can just plant trees.

      It’s because we care.

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        TdeF

        So to decrease our nett CO2 per acre we should be reversing the rivers, damming the streams, distributing the water in covered channels and greening the country, flooding Lake Eyre, filling the rivers with desalinated water geneated by windmills and solar panels when they actually had any output and putting back what our ab*riginal friends destroyed with their gift of fire. We could achieve a giant carbon sink which would save the world. Wouldn’t the Greens hate it.

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          WXcycles

          Apparently the argument is that damns everywhere that secondarily provide the continent’s plants and animals with the best conditions Australia has experienced 5 million years would be – get this! – “uneconomic“.

          Can you believe that?

          But let’s waste billions on solar farms, wind turbines and batteries, and pretend those are economic!… or even “renewable“! … and that those will, “save the environment”.

          I seriously detest greenies and their ignorance and lies.

          Dick Di-Natale, you’re a useless time-wasting jerk and a genuine menace to the Australian environment.

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            theRealUniverse

            Dick Di-Natale..seeing him on any TV news makes me rush for the mute button. AND a few others.

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      Robber

      We don’t emit carbon, we burn it to produce essential energy, and that generates CO2.

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      Serge Wright

      In terms of global atmospheric CO2 levels, carbon emissions only matter from a per sq km perspective. The reason global CO2 levels are high and rising fast has very little to do with low population density countries with high per capita emissions, but lots to do with mega population centres with low to moderate per capita emissions. For example, if Australia’s per sq km emission levels were rellected globally, then CO2 levels would only be around 330ppm. However, if China’s per sq km CO2 emissions were reflected globally then CO2 levels would be above 2000ppm. In terms of per sq km comparison, China emits 18x more CO2 than Australia and India is about 10x more, which highlights the importance of population as being the biggest driver of global CO2.

      Despite these very telling statistics, you’ll never see one climate protester on the lawns of the Chinese embassy in Canberra. I’ve tried asking climate alarmists why China is not a target, despite it’s massive CO2 footprint, but am yet to receive an answer. Of course I know the answer, but I just want to try and force out a confession ;)

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        DMA

        Actually human emissions of CO2 do not cause a response we can measure in the growth rate of atmospheric CO2. Australia and China could stop all CO2 emissions and the growth rate would not show a blip. All of this political posturing around the angst over emissions is baseless. If we need to reduce atmospheric CO2 we need to cool the oceans where it is mostly coming from.

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          theRealUniverse

          Its beyond human endeavor to do anything of that magnitude. The Sun wins every time. Viewing the size of the earth against the sun should be compulsory viewing for ALL especially greentards.

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            Correct. “Viewing the size of the earth against the sun should be compulsory viewing for ALL especially greentards”. Your introduction to this enlightenment of greentards could be something along these lines: Did you know, than one hour of the sun’s energy entering earths atmosphere is equal to ALL the energy human activity generate.

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    PeterS

    When is action on climate change enough for the Greens? When Australia’s economy is in ruins is the only real answer. They are poison to any party and the longer the ALP remain allied to the Greens the harder it will get for the ALP to form government in future elections.

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      glen Michel

      Greenpiece is in a funk and meltdown at the same time. Their ignorance is gobsmacking; how can you get so much incorrect unless you intentionally fabricate information. I saw a retired schoolteacher who I went through Tertiary studies in the mid-70s today and he was in rage about the outcome.Pitiful.

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      Ian1946

      I agree with your assessment re the ALP and Greens. The reality is that Green supporters and electorat s tend to be leaners rather lifters e.g. Public servants, Lawers and other unproductive types. The ALP’s new leader should announce that they are disassociating themselves from the Greens and placing them last on the ballot paper if they ever want to reclaim the productive people.

      Just heard Paletstack in full deniel mode about Adani and the election. They are still pandering to the inner city.

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    Enjoy Peter Fitzroy in Moderation

    The message that CO2 is not bad is not cutting through now is it. The message that global warming is good is not cutting through now is it. The message that we are only 1% of the problem (and just behind Great Britain on the emitters list) is not cutting through is it. The message that AGW can not be an issue is not cutting through is it. The message that the temperature datasets (but not CO2 strangely) are manipulated to meet some agenda is not cutting through is it.

    Its a good thing we now have a marketing maverick as PM /Sarc

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      Crakar24

      The election result bears no relevance to your comment? It seems one can change their name but not their IQ level

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        Enjoy Peter Fitzroy in Moderation

        Election? Only as an example of marketing. I’m saying that the narrative supported on this blog, and which rightly points out the boondoggle for unreliable grid scale power, is not convincing a wider audience. In that aspect, it is similar to the policy platform promoted by Labor, which was beaten by a superior marketing strategy relentlessly promoted by the LNP.

        For those who remember this is similar to VHS and Betamax, and we know how that turned out.

        Rightly or wrongly, unless the message cuts through to the masses, it will fail. That is what I’m saying.

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          el gordo

          ‘… is not convincing a wider audience …’

          Queenslanders heard the message through Rohan Dean (Sky News) and voted accordingly. I agree that the caffe latte set in the capital cities may have missed the memo, but they don’t matter anymore.

          We still require proof that CO2 was this high during the Medieval and Roman warm periods.

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          Crakar24

          EPFM,

          Your low IQ let’s you down

          “If you don’t like our policies don’t vote for us” is an example of poor marketing.

          When your jewel in the crown policy is tackling AGW it’s important to know the product your are selling.

          When you don’t know the current level of co2 or compare your policy costs to eating ten big Macs and lose, that’s not poor marketing thats incompetence.

          Your problem like many others is you are too stupid to cut through to, luckily more than 50% of us are not

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          RicDre

          “For those who remember this is similar to VHS and Betamax, and we know how that turned out.”

          I remember, Betamax had a somewhat better quality picture than VHS but the short length of its tapes versus VHS (one hour for Betamax and two hours for VHS) and the price of the equipment (Betamax machines were more expensive than VHS machines) doomed Betamax.

          Interestingly, Sony invented the technology used in the VHS format but could not get it to work properly so they sold it to JVC who was able to get it to work and the rest, as they say, is history. https://www.answers.com/Q/Who_invented_VHS

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      Just Thinkin'

      PF, even with your sarc tag, I am still trying to work out what you are on about.

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      el gordo

      ‘The message that CO2 is not bad is not cutting through now is it?’

      Not yet sir, but soon there will be a debate because the climate is changing as we speak.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        I was replying to a new deleted post

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          Peter Fitzroy

          best to delete any comment by me, which is still in moderation _ the comment @timestamp 5:41 pm, was listed as 33 @6:00PP, while this one will be listed at 50.

          Best delete all of them including this one – they are not adding to anything. Oh, and I’ll stay as Peter Fitzroy now

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            robert rosicka

            Medication kicking in Pete ?

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              Peter Fitzroy

              I’m in automatic moderation, but it is a quirk of the blog software, not a operational decision by Jo or the moderators. It has been going on for about a month.

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      AndyG55

      “of the problem”

      What Problem ?

      1% of zero effect, is still zero effect.

      Is it hurting you THAT MUCH that the LNP beat your beloved Lab/Greens?

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      TdeF

      I have news. The Coalition thumped your lot. Everyone wants coal, especially Queensland. We also want far cheaper power, not Venezuelan socialism. You can charge your own car from your own windmill.

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        TdeF

        If you can afford to buy either. Don’t expect everyone else to pay for personal solar panels, personal windmills or personal electric cars. You have to get a job.

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          Terry

          You have to get a real job.

          There. Fixed.

          Many of the inner-city clique (the “lecturing” class) derive their “income” from big-government (directly or indirectly).

          They have a MASSIVE self-interest in voting for collectivists, not least of which is that they find it very difficult to survive on their own merit.

          Stealing from the productive and placing it in your own wallet because you are “compassionate” and “caring” is not a moral position. It is precisely the opposite.

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    pat

    meanwhile, China gets a pass…again.

    CFC segment with Matt McGrath begins at 12min54sec, ends 15min18sec. McGrath says no-one will go to war with China over CFCs, or impose sanctions, because they need China’s cooperation on CO2:

    AUDIO: 22 May: BBC World Service: Who caused mysterious increase in chemical that destroys ozone in the atmosphere?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07b1v6n

    22 May: BBC: Ozone layer: Banned CFCs traced to China say scientists
    By Matt McGrath
    Researchers say that they have pinpointed the major sources of a mysterious recent rise in a dangerous, ozone-destroying chemical…
    This new study (LINK) says this is mostly being caused by new gas production in the north-east provinces of China…

    This new paper seems to confirm beyond any reasonable doubt that some 40-60% of the increase in emissions is coming from provinces in north eastern China.
    Using what are termed “top-down” measurements from air monitoring stations in South Korea and Japan, the researchers were able to show that since 2012 CFC-11 has increased from production sites in eastern China…
    They calculated that there was an 110% rise in emissions from these parts of China for the years 2014-2017 compared to the period between 2008-2012.
    “This new study is based on spikes in the data on air that comes from China,” lead author Dr Matt Rigby, a reader at the University of Bristol, told BBC Inside Science (LINK)…

    Does this have implications for climate change?
    Yes – the authors say that these CFCs are also very potent greenhouse gases. One tonne of CFC-11 is equivalent to around 5,000 tonnes of CO2.
    “If we look at these extra emissions that we’ve identified from eastern China, it equates to about 35 million tonnes of CO2 being emitted into the atmosphere every year, that’s equivalent to about 10% of UK emissions, or similar to the whole of London.”…
    The study has been published in the journal Nature.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-48353341

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      pat

      never mind, says ABC – China is dealing with it:

      23 May: ABC: Chinese industrial areas identified as a major source of illegal ozone-depleting CFC gas
      ABC Science By Anna Salleh
      According to a study published today in Nature (LINK), emissions from eastern China of the chlorofluorocarbon CFC-11 have been increasing by 7,000 tonnes a year since 2013…
      Dr Rigby said the team hoped to work with Chinese researchers to better nail down the culprits…

      Tasmania’s Cape Grim station provided a comparison
      The Cape Grim air monitoring station in north-west Tasmania also played an important role in the latest findings, said Australian co-author Paul Krummel from CSIRO’s Climate Science Centre…
      It helped provide background measurements of CFC-11 in the circulating global air. This relatively clean air could provide a baseline to which air from the Korean and Japanese stations could be compared…
      Dr Rigby agreed large areas of the world were not being monitored in detail which means some of the rogue emissions may be coming from elsewhere…

      (FINALE) What is China doing?
      China, which has been a major producer of polyurethane foam, recently reported to the United Nations Environment Program that it has been cracking down on illegal production and use of ozone depleting chemicals, by destroying facilities and imposing fines.
      And according to news reports, the Chinese Ministry of Ecology and Environment promised to strengthen its policing activities this year.
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-05-23/mystery-ozone-depleting-gas-tracked-to-china/11137546

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      theRealUniverse

      Who caused mysterious increase in chemical that doesnt destroys ozone in the atmosphere? So good that they are making more of it. CFCs produce the best refrigerants by miles.
      The CFC scare was a prerunner to the CO2 scam, both based on totally flawed theories. CFCs did NOT affect the ozone layer. Again someone made money out of it and got the stuff banned. The ozone layer keeps on doing its thing it has always done for a few billion years, keeping life from frying under UV.

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        WXcycles

        The greenies also love to hype the fact that human industry also makes toxic ozone, but the reality is the low level ozone is quite minuscule and quickly dissipates in most meteorological situations.

        Well, unless you live in China, where ozone is emitted at ground level in seriously dangerous quantities. But it’s China, so who does not love the worlds largest authoritarian dictatorship, the most despotic in human history? The Stazi were total pikers compared to Beijing’s state security arms.

        So they can pollute as much as they like, and the watermelon 5th-column in Australia will never say a word about it.

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        sophocles

        Blame a large American Chemical Company. This company held patents on many, if not most, of the CFCs from the 1950s and those patents were about to expire c.1988 – 1989. So it had the chemicals so covered made illegal (Montreal Protocol). The CHCs, also patented, were trotted out to replace the CFCs as the world’s refrigerants. Their patents expired around 2016 – 2017.

        John Kerry was not at the start of the Paris party. He was away signing CHCs up to the Montreal Protocol. Why? Because their patents were about to run out. As soon as the CHCs were safely banned, he raced to Paris to help it over its hump (the small matter of a back door to leave by, I think) and get that signed away.

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          sophocles

          Needless to say, this large chemical company enjoyed a manufacturing monopoly for CHCs and had a monopoly over the CFCs in later years of their life time.

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    Sambar

    Of course a first step soluition to fixing groups like Greenpeace and WWF and all the others is to take away their tax free status. These political organisations are not charities, they are businesses and SHOULD pay taxes in Australia and every other country they operate in. Their books should be subject to audit just like every business in the country. These organisations truely are Bill Shortens “big end of town” controlling huge amounts of money and directing it where ever they like for their own political purposes.

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      Kinky Keith

      Right on.

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      theRealUniverse

      They should also have to declare all their funding sources to enjoy any tax benefit.

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      Bill in Oz

      You omitted GetUp
      It must be registered . for what it is
      A political lobby group
      And investigated to see who funds it in Australia
      And whether it gets money from overseas.

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        Analitik

        Getup! qualifies as a terrorist organisation, given their tactics and agenda (regime change). As such, membership should be a criminal offence.

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    robert rosicka

    That’s 5 Billion wasted, that could have been put toward the Bradfield scheme and or more Dams .

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      OriginalSteve

      Or a new hospital…..

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      Yonniestone

      Apparently the good professor says its horrifying, I agree wasting 5 billion on a failed hypothesis is horrifying…..even 1 dollar is too much.

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      Rob Leviston

      ….Or a Nuclear power plant! And if you can’t stomach that, just go HELE!
      Gotta move right away from the totally irrational approach of weather dependent, intermittent ‘power’ sources! Will never work, no matter how many squillions you throw at it!

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      JohnPAK

      Or a water pipeline from the far north to inland NSW.

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    JB

    Its so bad it evven knocks solar power out!

    But, ya know, more Teslas will solve the problem, right?

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      Just Thinkin'

      JB.

      All Teslas should be plugged in to power supplies so
      they can be used for back-up power in case of an emergency.

      Seems only fair…

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        Bill in Oz

        With the wheels removed ?
        Of course !
        They will come unplugged
        If they move away from the plugs.

        ;-)

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    Travis T. Jones

    The cost of inaction …

    CSIRO: Observed changes will continue into the future:

    Projections suggest that for Australia -

    hot days will become more frequent and hotter (very high confidence)
    sea levels will rise (very high confidence)
    oceans will become more acidic (very high confidence)
    snow depths will decline (very high confidence)
    extreme rainfall events are likely to become more intense (high confidence)

    https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/OandA/Areas/Oceans-and-climate/Climate-change-information

    >> $5 Billion+ and not one slice of evidence that the money spent has prevented global warming on any scale, anywhere, by any renewable energy source.

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      Maptram

      I see a possible contradictions in the CSIRO predictions. Oceans will become more acidic, presumably because of more CO2 going in from the atmosphere, but oceans will rise, presumably because of melting ice caps and glaciers. Unless the ice caps and glaciers are as acidic as the oceans, the only way both can happen is if more CO2 enters the oceans to overcome the lower acidity of the glaciers and ice caps. But if that happens, then atmospheric CO2 is reducing.

      The other problem is that, unless there is a drastic change in seasons, the ice at both poles won’t melt at the same time.

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        yarpos

        They can only get more acidic if they are acidic. The are massively basic, so if you accept that anything at all is happeing then they may become less basic, towards neutral.

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        PeterPetrum

        And the other thing is, if the oceans do get warmer, then they will be only capable of holding less CO2, so they will become more basic, not more acidic. Some people seem to think if CO2 in the atmosphere increases it will also do so in the oceans. It does not seem to dawn on them that the slight increase in temperature of the oceans may be leading to the increase in atmospheric CO2, not the other way around. Happy to be corrected if I am wrong.

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      theRealUniverse

      So real data proves all those projections wrong..what are they going to do next.
      CSRIO = LAIRS, money grabbers.

      oceans will become more acidic (very high confidence) = fake. 98% CO2 already dissolved in the oceans…
      Chemistry 101 FAIL.

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        yarpos

        up the ante and go more hysterical, it seems to be the pattern

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        robert rosicka

        As soon as I see the oceans becoming more acidic meme I automatically know it’s garbage , just like the ABC radio today banging on about how China , Japan , England , Germany etc etc were getting out of coal ! Reallllly .

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      Bill in Oz

      These same predictions
      Were made in the 1980′s.
      Thirty years later
      And none of them
      Have come to pass

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        Bill in Oz

        I’ve always liked swimming at the beach. And of course I have my favorite spots. Nowadays it is the beach at Port Elliot -either side of the headland ! I’ve been swimming there in Summer since 1999. No sea level rise what so ever !. In the 1970′s till the late 1990′s my favorite place was Eastern beach in East Gippsland ( close to Lakes Entrance ) though I also loved Cape Conron further East near the mouth of the Snowy River. No sea level rise what so ever in that 20 year time frame. When I was a kid in Melbourne in the 1960′s, our favorite beach to swim was “Half Moon Bay” near Sandringham on Port Phillip Bay..I was back there a year ago. NO Sea level rise either. It’s easy to tell because there is an old ship wreck ( the Cerberous ) on the point. A favorite dive spot for the Melbourne diving community. And that wreck while it’s rusting away slowly is still there to be seen above the waves just as it was 60 years ago.I I believe my own eyes and experience. If I don’t see sea levels rising IT AINT HAPPENING.

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      WXcycles

      CSIRO have no credibility if as an organization this is their ‘science’ positions.

      That is political, it has nothing to do with science.

      Defund CSIRO and close them down, they’re now wasting everyone’s time and money.

      Good riddance.

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    Crash test dummies want harder wall. Turkeys want Christmas every month. Foot-shooter wishes he was a centipede. Penrith to Roosters: Bring it on!…

    And we gormless Skippies want a War on Coal.

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    OriginalSteve

    https://www.parliament.act.gov.au/members/ninth-assembly-members/kurrajong/rattenbury-shane

    ACT Greens, Kurrajong electorate

    “MINISTERIAL APPOINTMENTS
    Minister for Climate Change and Sustainability (October 2016–present)”

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/man-in-the-middle-who-is-shane-rattenbury-20121102-28oop.html

    “I think it’s fair to say that both sides of politics here in Australia have pretty clear views when it comes to whaling and from that perspective it’s a little bit easier to work with both sides,” he said.

    “Whaling was much easier to talk to politicians about than was climate change or fisheries issues.”
    It was the summer of 2005-06 and Japan had told the world it was increasing the quota of whales it would hunt in the Southern Ocean.

    Rattenbury, as Greenpeace’s global director of oceans campaigns, was leading the charge for the organisation against the whaling plans.

    “John Howard was prime minister at the time and Rattenbury was pleased that the Liberal government’s enthusiastic environment minister Ian Campbell was also fiercely anti-whaling and had good dealings with him.

    “Labor in opposition was also very welcoming of Rattenbury’s campaign.”

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      Yonniestone

      If the Japanese are so good at whaling how come they haven’t landed Al gore yet?

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        Bewdiful, Yonniestone, )

        Hunt for The Big White Whale.
        H/t Melville ‘Moby Dick.’

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        Reed Coray

        I think big Al beached himself near his plush beach home. No whaler will get him as long as the oceans don’t rise enough to flood his house. Dare I say, that would be a positive outcome of rising sea levels.

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    Kinky Keith

    “It’s time sensible people stopped trying to appease innumerateglobal bullies.”

    If only that was the problem.

    In many countries the attempts by academics, economists and electrical engineers to state the facts of Global Warming have been thwarted, even by so called conservative politicians.

    There’s No heating Mechanism associated with CO2 and Ruinables are not cheaper to run than coal fired electricity generators.

    Indisputable facts. Forbidden from view.

    It’s the Money, of course. The bullies are the camouflage that excuses the action.

    The money. On past performance I can’t see Scomo throwing us anything more than a crust in terms of curbing power costs.

    KK

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      OriginalSteve

      I berated on electrical engineer for going along with the co2 nonsense * and* for wanting to buy a toaster….er….tesla….and was promptly dumped like a hot spud….

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        Analitik

        Alan Finkel?

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        Analitik

        Alan Finkel?

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        Bobl

        Yes, unfortunately some EEs have drunk the kool-aid but fortunately not many, and most are very vulnerable to the math, Engineers believe math you see, For what it’s worth as an EE I could easily design and build a renewable system, but there is no way that you could get me to declare it would save any CO2 or impact the climate other than negatively ( square kilometers of solar panels tiling the landscape can’t be good). However not all engineers are like me , RE is “nice” from a certain trendy point of view. Like an IPhone is nice from a certain point of view ( IE provided your wallet contains a lazy kilobuck).

        I am not going to cut off my income in order to score a political point, and clearly neither does any one else, hence the perpetuation of the scam.

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          theRealUniverse

          “EEs have drunk the kool-aid but fortunately not many, and most are very vulnerable to the math, Engineers believe math you see”
          YES its their (EE) training. I noticed this having graduated from both camps Physics and Engineering schools. All EEs should have to know some Nuclear physics, that will teach them.

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    Robert Swan

    We’re looking into the eyes of our friends, families and colleagues …

    Gack; pure saccharine. If they want to look into eyes, a more apt line would be the New Testament one about them seeing a mote in someone else’s eye while failing to notice the beam in their own.

    The per-capita “carbon” footprint of Greenpeace activists would blow the average Aussie’s into the weeds.

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    pat

    22 May: RasmussenReports: 67% of Democrats Think U.S. Has 12 Years to Fight Global Warming – Or Else
    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters agree that the United States has only 12 years to aggressively fight climate change or else there will be disastrous and irreparable damage to the country and the world. Forty percent (40%) disagree, while 11% are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)(LINK)…
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/may_2019/67_of_democrats_think_u_s_has_12_years_to_fight_global_warming_or_else

    June 2017: RasmussenReports: Voters Aren’t Willing to Pay to Fight Climate Change
    President Trump pulled the United States out of the Paris anti-global warming agreement last week in part because of his concern about its potential impact on the U.S. economy. Voters tend to agree the accord would have led to increased energy costs, and most remain unwilling to pay much, if anything, more to fight global warming…
    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 41% of Likely U.S. Voters think the accord’s requirement that the United States reduce fossil fuel emissions by nearly 30% by 2025 would increase energy costs. Just 20% believe the requirement would decrease the cost of energy, while 23% say it would have no impact. Sixteen percent (16%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)(LINK)…
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/environment_energy/voters_aren_t_willing_to_pay_to_fight_climate_change

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    Lance

    Buy into the insanity or fight it, tooth and nail.

    Become the adults in the room, or join the children who clamor for fantasy.

    Ignore these tossers at your own risk. They do intend to stuff up everything they may.

    Perhaps a Bounty upon stupidity is in order? Perhaps the Greens might post a 1 Billion (B) bond for each claim they make and pay up when things don’t conform to their chosen reality?

    Ignorance can be cured by education and hard work. Stupidity, not so much.

    I’m amazed how a lot of navel gazing, self absorbed, factually challenged, economically and historically ignorant, scientifically blind, malevolent narcissists, can capture entire nations and world events. It is an abject nightmare. These poofs ought be flogged for lying and the harm they’ve done. Not tolerated for being the children they actually are.

    When the lights go out and stay out for a week, no weak people will remain. That’s a comforting thought.

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      Robdel

      I agree with your comment about when the lights go out. It is the only thing that will shake the believers out of their dreams. No electricity, no internet, no facebook, no sewage works, no fridges, etc. Everything will stop and the people will have to take notice.

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        Yonniestone

        So true, consider Australians just handed Labor a huge defeat in a so called un-losable election simply because the muppets outlined the plan to hurt them, if anyone is stupid enough to try it on I’d suggest a few old skills and anger will come back very quickly to Aussies.

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        WXcycles

        When a cyclone does it it’s considered a national disaster.

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      WXcycles

      Tim Flannery would have no skin left.

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    pat

    report produced by the IEA, the International Renewable Energy Agency, the U.N. Statistics Division, the World Bank and the World Health Organization (WHO)- so you know where it is going – more RE:

    22 May: ThomsonReutersFoundation: Patchy progress on electricity access casts shadow on global goal
    by Megan Rowling
    Globally, those living without electricity dropped to about 840 million in 2017 from 1 billion in 2016, said a report tracking progress towards a global goal on energy for 2030…
    Yet without stepped-up action, 650 million people will still be left without access to electric power in 2030 – nine out of 10 of them living in sub-Saharan Africa, the report warned…

    “I am particularly concerned by the dramatic lack of access to reliable, ***modern and ***sustainable energy in certain parts of the world, especially in sub-Saharan Africa, a region where we need to really concentrate our efforts,” said Fatih Birol, executive director of the International Energy Agency (IEA).

    Across sub-Saharan Africa, only 44% of people had access to electric power in 2017, compared with a global rate of 89%.
    Urban areas worldwide are far more connected, with 97% of residents able to switch on the lights, compared with rural communities, where only 79% can, although the gap is narrowing…

    To connect the poorest and hardest-to-reach households, off-grid power – including solar lighting, solar home systems and, increasingly, mini grids – would be crucial, the report said…

    But as populations are growing each year, especially in sub-Saharan Africa, the number of people cooking with dirty fuels and methods was stagnant at close to 3 billion…
    https://www.reuters.com/article/global-energy-electricity/patchy-progress-on-electricity-access-casts-shadow-on-global-goal-idUSL5N22X375

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    pat

    PIC: 22 May: US News & World Report: AP: Turbine Buckles, Collapses on Oklahoma Wind Farm
    Authorities are trying to determine what caused a turbine on an Oklahoma wind farm to buckle and collapse midway up the tower.
    No cause has been announced, but Enel Green Power North America is investigating why its turbine, made by GE, failed at the Chisholm View II project. The National Weather Service reports strong winds gusting to near 40 mph swept the area from late Monday morning through Tuesday evening…
    The turbine is part of Enel Green Power’s 6,000-acre (2428-hectare) complex built adjacent to the original, much larger, Chisholm View project, which sits on 45,000 acres (18211 hectares).
    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oklahoma/articles/2019-05-22/turbine-buckles-collapses-on-oklahoma-wind-farm

    an ode to wind:

    20 May: Vox: These huge new wind turbines are a marvel. They’re also the future.
    The latest model has blades longer than football fields.
    By David Roberts
    GE Renewable Energy announced that it will be investing $400 million to develop a new monster turbine: the Haliade-X, which will be (at least until the next big announcement) the biggest, tallest, and most powerful in the world…
    (scroll down) According to GE, it will reach 853 feet tall…READ ALL
    https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/3/8/17084158/wind-turbine-power-energy-blades

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      RickWill

      WOW 40mph wind gusts. Imagine trying to design a structure to handle such devastating conditions.

      Lucky the wind park is in Oklahoma where wind gusts above 40mph are obviously extremely rare. On the southern Australian coastline 40mph winds are typically encountered every 2 weeks.

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      Another Ian

      ” it will reach 853 feet tall”

      Need a bloody long ladder when it needs fixing

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    RickWill

    Have you signed the petition for wind generators in Warringah?
    https://www.change.org/p/zali-steggall-wind-farms-for-warringah

    Zali Steggall and the people of Warringah need to show leadership on immediate climate change ACTION. The proposal: wind turbines are to be placed along the foreshore, taking advantage of the sea breezes. Let’s lead the way by example, for everyone who voted against climate action. Sign and spread the petition Australians! Let’s do it for the children!

    This would be a fantastic achievement for the new turquoise member for Warringah.

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    joseph

    “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,” Michael Mann, atmospheric science professor and director of the Penn State Earth System Science Center, told ThinkProgress.

    He’s being unusually candid!

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    pat

    PIC: 22 May: UpperMichigansSource: Blade breaks off wind turbine in Garden Peninsula
    According to Heritage Sustainable Energy, the safety features in the turbine engaged automatically and the turbine shut down immediately.
    Nobody was injured and Heritage says that they implemented their safety protocols and the area is secured.
    The team at Heritage is working to determine the cause of the break and the next steps to take to repair it…
    https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/content/news/Blade-breaks-off-wind-turbine-in-the-Garden-Peninsula–510279281.html

    16 May: EverythingLubbock: Wind turbines and their fight against severe storms
    By Victoria Larned
    As two tornadoes touched down in Lynn County in early May, wind turbines were in their path. This left many people wondering, how strong of storms can wind turbines manage?…
    However, when winds reach strengths starting at approximately 45 mph, the turbine’s sensors recognize the speed and shut down…
    “If the turbines don’t shut offline, you have what is called overspeed. The turbine turns faster than what they are designed to handle and don’t shut off. The turbine comes to pieces,” Harrall said.

    Turbine designs are not built to withstand tornado strength winds, and could sustain damage, according to Harrall.
    “It can be very expensive to repair wind farms once they are damaged,” Harrall said…
    Wes Reeves, a representative with Xcel Energy said, for many reasons, they have to monitor these severe weather conditions closely.
    ***They have meteorologists on site to predict where the wind will blow day-to-day…
    https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/kamc-news/wind-turbines-and-their-fight-against-severe-storms/2004241834

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      pat

      22 May: BBC: Union campaign to save mothballed BiFab yards in Fife
      The Methil and Burntisland yards were mothballed last year having been close to financial collapse.
      It is feared a failure to secure contracts for EDF’s £2bn project off the Fife coast could kill the yards.

      Now unions are calling for a U-turn on plans for the work to be carried out in Indonesia instead of Scotland…
      A spokeswoman for EDF Renewables refused to comment on “speculation” about future contracts…READ ON
      https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-48350352

      22 May: UnmannedAerial: Drones to Inspect 1,250 Wind Turbines in 12 Weeks
      Posted by Betsy Lillian
      Sulzer Schmid, a provider of unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) technology for inspections of wind turbine rotor blades, and WKA, a blade inspection and repair service provider, have been enlisted by turbine maker Vestas to conduct a drone-based inspection campaign in Scandinavia.
      The inspections will cover a whopping 1,250 wind turbines in under 12 weeks.

      The blades of the 1,250 Vestas turbines, located across Sweden and Finland, must be inspected in time for the beginning of the repair work season, which traditionally takes place during the less windy summer months. To meet the deadline, Vestas has opted for a drone-based solution…

      The images captured by the drones will be analyzed using artificial intelligence, and detailed, automated reports will be generated with Sulzer Schmid’s 3DX software…READ ON
      https://unmanned-aerial.com/drones-to-inspect-1250-wind-turbines-in-12-weeks

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    pat

    Local groups in fierce resistance to $300m Barossa wind farm
    Adelaide Advertiser-20 May 2019
    A $300 million wind farm near Kapunda would threaten wombat and endangered pygmy blue tongue lizards, decimate house values and be a blight on the landscape, residents say…

    22 May: BarossaHerald: State Commission Assessment address Twin Creek wind farm development
    by Michelle ORielly
    The Victorian based company, seeks to construct a wind farm and energy storage facility, comprising 51 wind turbine generators (183 MW) and battery energy storage facility (50 MW) with associated infrastructure…
    According to the panel’s agenda, the proposed development was publicly notified on two separate occasions with 105 representations received…

    On Tuesday at the Barossa Weintal, residents near the site at Mount Rufus and St Kitts gathered to voice concerns which included the development threatening wildlife and endangered species, and the lowering of house values to name a few.
    ‘By comparison, only a very small number of representations indicated support for the proposal,’ the panel’s agenda stated…
    Ms Morris’ concerns, among others, also turned to the 51 turbine wind farm having a “visual impact for the Barossa Valley.”…
    https://www.barossaherald.com.au/story/6149896/state-panel-hear-wind-farm-concerns/

    15 May: OPB.org: Oregon’s Oldest Large Wind Farm Could Get Tech Upgrade
    by Courtney Flatt
    Officials are voting Friday on the updates to the wind farm.
    Wind turbines are expected to last about 20 years. Oregon’s Stateline Wind Farm is getting up there – construction started way back in 2001…
    The company that owns the wind farm, NextEra, has re-powered multiple wind farms across the country, said spokesman Bryan Garner…

    ***Using haul trucks, boom trucks and cranes, the construction would take three to four months with 150 workers, Esterson said…
    https://www.opb.org/news/article/eastern-oregon-oldest-large-wind-farm-tech-upgrade/

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      yarpos

      So called renewables seems to be the only area where batteries are rated in Watts. You see it in every announcement, and it is totally meaningless in terms of understanding what they are installing.

      While I am sooking, I am also bemused by power packs that get ratings like “30,000 mAh” 30,000mAh?? really?

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    Speedy

    If they’re going to complain anyway, might as well give ‘em something to complain about. Let’s drop Paris. For starters…

    Cheers,
    Mike

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    pat

    lengthy, misleading, read all:

    23 May: ABC: Mega mine next to Adani quietly put on hold, thousands of promised jobs in doubt
    Exclusive by Specialist Reporting Team’s Laura Gartry
    Updated 18 minutes ago
    A $6.7 billion Chinese mega mine coal project adjacent to the Adani venture in Queensland’s Galilee Basin is in doubt after the company abandoned its bid for a mining lease.
    The proposed China Stone open-cut and underground thermal coal mine was planned to be built 300 kilometres west of Mackay, promising more than 3,000 jobs.

    The company will not explain why it abandoned the process, but analysts believe the project is no longer aligned with China’s interests in coal ***and is financially “unviable” given the difficulty companies face obtaining finance for coal developments…

    The project was on track to gain five mining leases after it was granted conditional approval from the Queensland Government late last year…
    The China Stone project has flown comparatively ***under the radar compared to Adani…

    Ms Trad said like the Adani mine, the project needed to stack up both environmentally and economically.
    “Clearly MacMines, after they have done their own due diligence, have made a commercial decision,” she said…

    ***Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said delays to the Adani approval process and subsequent intervention to try and speed the process up had had no impact on China Stone project investors.
    “I don’t think it has had any impact, our exports are growing. Our exports are at record levels,” she said…

    ***Queensland Mines Minister Anthony Lynham said he has been assured the project will be resumed in the future…
    ***(Tim) Buckley said the move suggested the project was not aligned with China’s changing interests in coal…

    Chief executive of the Queensland Resources Council Ian Macfarlane said changes in development timelines are “not unusual” and pointed out there are six potential mining projects in the region…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-23/macmines-abandons-mining-lease-applications/11138310

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      pat

      from the ABC article posted above:

      …but analysts believe the project is no longer aligned with China’s interests in coal…
      Tim Buckley said the move suggested the project was not aligned with China’s changing interests in coal…

      22 May: Our China ties must avoid the Xi-Trump trade shadow
      by Peter Drysdale
      (Peter Drysdale is head of the Asian Bureau of Economic Research in the Crawford School of Public Policy at The Australian National University. He is co-author of a new report released Monday on ‘Getting the Relationship with China Right’)

      ***Australia’s share of Chinese coal imports rose to a record 54 per cent in 2018, up from 48 per cent in 2014. China’s coal imports from Australia grew 9.8 per cent year-on-year, despite China’s reportedly tightening import restrictions on coal in late 2018…
      https://www.afr.com/news/policy/foreign-affairs/our-china-ties-must-avoid-the-xi-trump-trade-shadow-20190522-p51pzk

      guess ABC’s Specialist Reporting Team’s Laura Gartry didn’t bother to check the facts. no doubt ABC/RMIT FactCheck will delve into her piece asap.

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      toorightmate

      The likes of Trad, ABC, Fairfax, etc better start making up their mind whether or not they like and/or respect China.
      btw – China’s track record of developing new mines in Australia is PATHETIC. This is surprising as you would expect 1 person in 1.2 billion to have some inkling as to how to develop a new mine.

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    pat

    what to say?

    23 May: AFR: Adani’s Qld solar farm suffers six-month connection delay
    by Angela Macdonald-Smith
    Adani’s flagship solar power project in Queensland has been complete for six months but is still not feeding electricity into the grid, a stark illustration of the chronic connection problems that have slowed the country’s influx of renewables into the supply system…
    But Adani Renewables said following recent rule changes it had experienced “unforeseen connection delays” outside its control, and noted the issues had affected several other renewable projects…

    Last year the Australian Energy Market Commission tightened technical requirements and other rules for connecting new plants to the grid as it sought to keep the supply system stable and secure. It required technical standards to be negotiated for each new connection, tailored to the local area, which caused expensive upgrades and delays at some wind and solar farms…
    Powerlink chief executive Merryn York said the company expected the solar farm to be fully connected “shortly”.
    Ms York said recent changes to the National Electricity Rules had placed greater obligation on those seeking to connect to the grid to not harm the operation and security of the wider power system…
    An AEMO spokeswoman said the connection was likely “mid-year”…

    Connection delays are not the only issue hampering the boom in the renewables sector; several wind and solar projects have also been hit by transmission losses in congested areas of the grid, which has eroded the economics of the investments.
    Silverton, held in the Powering Australian Renewables Fund between AGL and QIC is among those affected, with generation from turbines having to be curtailed to protect the grid.
    Just 38 of the wind farm’s 58 turbines are generating power at night, and only 13 during the day…
    https://www.afr.com/business/energy/solar-energy/adani-s-qld-solar-farm-suffers-six-month-connection-delay-20190522-p51q4v

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      toorightmate

      Adani was ready to go with EIS and government approvals in place many years ago.
      The recent horsesh*t about birds, water, native title and anything else you can dream of was put to bed by the project team years ago.
      The recent stalling actions have not been to do with any new information. They have been stalling activities. Nothing more, nothing less.
      I only hope the project proceeds for the benefit of thousands of India’s poor.
      Ms Trad is CFMEU and Green scum. If the ALP is stupid enough to run with her, so be it

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      yarpos

      “several wind and solar projects have also been hit by transmission losses in congested areas of the grid”

      not affected by transmission losses suffered due to being a long way from demand and just plonking them out there and expecting the grid to cope then?

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    Rick Kinsman

    The underlying fear of all the climate catastrophists is their fear that we’ll make such a mess of our environment that we’ll exterminate ourselves as a species.
    I can’t see a problem with that. It’s a certainty that dear old Gaia will get on quite nicely without us – after all, she managed to do without us for a few billion years before we turned up as a species, and will probably do okay without us in the future. And if she can’t, who cares? We won’t be here to regret anything.

    It shows an incredible level of vanity on the part of the duck squeezers to think that we have some inherent right or duty to exist for ever as a species. As dear Doris once said, “Que sera!”

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      theRealUniverse

      The disaster charlatans have no idea what happened at the end of the Cretaceous period. Whoosh BANG! Life still survived even if the big stompers didnt. I think that makes saving the planet look pretty stupid. Of course that happened a few times before that too plus a few other ‘inconvenient’ demolition jobs by nature. yep Gaia prevails.

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        theRealUniverse

        I think humans have to realize that we are only temporally here and we will have to contend with disasters that would be of such magnitude that boggles our minds. Geophysical and astrophysical events arent going away just because we happen to be about.

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          WXcycles

          Anyone who has studied and worked in geology knows the whole notion of saving the earth is absurd in the extreme. Only someone who knows nothing about the earth would ever entertain such a meritless anthropocentric idiotic ideology.

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      el gordo

      ‘….make such a mess of our environment that we’ll exterminate ourselves as a species.’

      The bed wetters, hand wringers and virtue signallers should think of this moment in history as a great adventure. Terraforming earth is not to be feared if done with due diligence.

      Human induced carbon dioxide falls close to where its emitted.

      https://www.nasa.gov/feature/ames/human-activity-in-china-and-india-dominates-the-greening-of-earth-nasa-study-shows

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      Maptram

      Of course if we manage to exterminate ourselves as a species, our last act will be to put greenhouse gases into the atmosphere as we decay.

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    Maptram

    “We’re looking into the eyes of our friends, families and colleagues and seeing them all searching for answers, but only able to ask the same questions: How? Why? Where do we go from here?”

    They forgot one question, where will we get money from?

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      Bill in Oz

      I read that bondoggle article on the ABC as well..
      I thought she just might see the need to escape from her social media bubble.
      But no she wants to moblise her social media bubble to fight
      Even harder for madness.

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      Yonniestone

      How? Why? Where do we go from here?”

      Start off by seeking professional help, not just a councillor/phrenologist but a serious thinking Freudian type shrink that doesn’t pander to your delusions.

      Next when you’ve finally woken up to reality contact every friend, family member and members of the public and issue a heartfelt apology for being such an arrogant, gullible, rude pig headed, sanctimonious know it all about f$#kin nothing imbecile that insulted, threatened and annoyed the s$#t out of everyone that you inflicted yourself upon.

      There that’s it and for any more great advice you can call 1800EATS%$T.

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      yarpos

      so emotive isnt it? they really are pathetic

      how? its a democracy, you dont win just because you think you are fabulous and know best

      why? your message is regarded by most (measurably) as BS

      where? Venezuela

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      theRealUniverse

      Where do we go from here? Try Mars 97% CO2 air to breath at 10mb, ok not enough Venus 97% CO2 450C 100Bar. ok.

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    Zane

    News today: China is releasing thousands of tonnes of illegal CFC gases into the atmosphere. Foam factories appear to be the main culprit. Perhaps Greenpeace could focus their attention there, instead of the nothingburger that is Australia’s measly annual pollution contribution to the biosphere.

    But I will not be holding my breath…

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      theRealUniverse

      Zane CFCs, see my post earlier, make NO difference to the ozone layer. My answer..SO WHAT!
      ‘ illegal CFC gases’ these should NOT be illegal. Who made them banned…The diktat of the UN and EU!

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    theRealUniverse

    News, UK PM May may (pun intended by accident?) resign this Friday.

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    pat

    caller to Alan Jones this morning rightly said Qld Premier was insincere yesterday on the Adani issue; however, the caller didn’t get an opportunity to say whether or not he was in favour of Carmichael mine going ahead or not (the impression I got was he was for the mine). Jones took it as being in line with his anti-Adani stance and said he’d be speaking on Adani a little later.

    Jones then did his usual anti-Adani rant, making all kinds of accusations.
    however, what is ridiculous is, if it weren’t for the pro-Adani voters in Qld – Liberal, Labor and any other party or none – the Coalition would not have won the election, and Jones would not be bragging all week that he’d correctly predicted the outcome.

    he has avoided the Adani angle all week, which has made all his post-election analysis meaningless. a shame, given almost everyone around him on 2GB or on Sky – Bolt, Credlin – are pro-Adani.

    meanwhile -

    22 May: Breitbart: Final Poll Before Election Day Has Brexit Party Lead on 37 Per Cent, Conservatives Collapse to 7 Per Cent
    by Joe Markham
    According to the latest YouGov survey, the Brexit Party is now polling at 37 per cent, with its closest rival, the Liberal Democrats, on 19 per cent…
    In stark contrast, the two establishment parties, Labour and the Conservatives, have fallen to historic lows with Labour polling at 13 per cent and the Tories at just seven per cent…
    A staggering 65 per cent of former Conservative voters say they will now back the Brexit Party in the EU elections. Only 16 per cent of those who backed the Conservatives two years ago intend to do so again…

    The figures are not much better for Labour, with only 31 per cent of past Labour voters planning to support the party on Thursday. Meanwhile, a combined 44 per cent of Labour voters have switched to either the Green Party or the Liberal Democrats, ***with 13 per cent having switched to the Brexit Party.

    ***This means that Nigel Farage’s pledge that he would target Labour supporters, as well as disillusioned Conservative voters, appears to have paid off…
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/05/22/brexit-party-lead-poll-37-per-cent-conservatives-collapse-seven-per-cent/

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    DonS

    Hi Jo

    I see that since the election the media of both right and left are still running the line that Australians want to take action on climate change. Where is the evidence for that position? Are they basing this on the same sort of failed polling that told them for the last 3 years that the ALP would win in a landslide? Just goes to show how much a religious like state of mind the media and politicians are trapped in when it comes to global warming.

    As far as I can see every time we are offered a chance to vote we always vote for the least action. We have only ever been offered the dumb and dumber option by the major political parties with the do nothing option only put up by the fringe parties who will never, as far as I can see, be able to form government.

    It’s funny how some in politics and the media want to have plebiscites for all sorts of issues, indigenous recognition, becoming a republic, but never on the most important to the future of the country. Wonder why?

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    pat

    peak CAGW madness:

    23 May: UK Independent: Climate crisis: UK should dramatically cut working hours to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, study says
    Impacts of economic activity confront us with ‘necessity to be lazy’, authors say
    by Harry Cockburn
    Europeans all need to work far shorter hours each week to help combat the climate crisis, a study (LINK) has said.

    The think tank Autonomy said with the existing carbon intensity of our economies and current levels of productivity, the UK would need to adopt a nine-hour working week in order to cut emissions by enough to meet the Paris climate agreement targets and keep global warming below 2C.
    The paper suggests Sweden would have to cut its working hours to 12 a week, and Germany to just six…

    The report’s recommendations are based on UN and OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development) data on greenhouse gas emissions, and examines the UK, Germany and Sweden…
    https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-crisis-environment-working-week-hours-greenhouse-gas-emissions-a8926201.html

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    Travis T. Jones

    Rank denial: Australia spends $5b but has “no climate plan”

    * “3 billion (39% of global population) still cook over indoor/outdoor fires.

    Meanwhile, we spend billions and billions of dollars in a silly bid to make electricity more expensive … so that weather might be somehow better 100 years from now” …

    Patchy progress on electricity access casts shadow on global goal

    https://www.reuters.com/article/global-energy-electricity/patchy-progress-on-electricity-access-casts-shadow-on-global-goal-idUSL5N22X375

    * via @junkscience – twitter

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    Adaminaby Angler

    Get a load of this “Troubadour” character, and watch my lovely response(s) to him. :)

    http://www.city-data.com/forum/australia-new-zealand/3031843-federal-election-countdown-labors-lose-15.html

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    richard

    off piste but good to start the day with a laugh-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=208&v=MZH-1liT9NM

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      Thanks richard. 4 minutes of fun. Great.
      Dave B

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      TdeF

      Excellent. Climate Change and Mecca and Greta.
      Only another 12 years before really bad stuff happens according to Bernie Sanders.
      Alexandra Occasional Cortext says she was just joking. Of course. Ve can get jokes.

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    Owain Rowland-Jones

    Dear Ms Nova ,
    Could you please give some prominence to the copied petition on your site . It will assist in demonstrating whether Ms Steggall is genuine in wanting her electorate to be a ‘big player’ in renewables
    Thank you
    /////////////////////////////////////

    Hey,

    I just signed the petition “Zali Steggall: Wind farms for Warringah” and wanted to see if you could help by adding your name.

    Our goal is to reach 7,500 signatures and we need more support. You can read more and sign the petition here:

    http://chng.it/y66d2YNsBK

    Thanks!

    [Done. Ta.] Jo

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    el gordo

    Tony Burke (Shadow Environment Minister) thinks Labor should adopt Tony Abbott’s Direct Action Plan.

    “There is a chance the tipping points are reached before you hit 2C, but if we work on the basis that we’ve at least got until 2C warming before the whole planet takes on its own spiralling cycle of heating up, then compromise on the science is completely unacceptable, perverse and no go,” Burke said in an interview with Guardian Australia.

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      theRealUniverse

      Where do they get these insane garbage ideas from? Maybe from IPCC doom caster models. 2C and we all die..the guys an idiot and has no clues about science or geophysical reality.

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    David Wojick

    Here is something to add to the Climate Plan. The UK’s zero carbon plan has just 57% renewables because they do not work. It allows for 38% nuclear!

    https://www.cfact.org/2019/05/21/uk-says-100-renewables-wont-work/

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    Richard Ilfeld

    In the final analysis, the Australian ‘moderates’….as an American I’m not really sure of the proper nomenclature….have to now govern.

    Please make things better.

    When an electorate wants things made better, there are two prongs.

    1. Improve our economic condition.

    2. See number one.

    3. Legislate the cause that was in the forefront as you campaigned …… solve the crisis of homeless armadillos!!….Oh wait,
    there are only two prongs. See number one.

    In the rare case you campaigned on the issue that will make people better off economically, and you succeed, you can have power for a generation.

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      Bill in Oz

      Richard, I have when online,
      On blogs like this,
      Adopted a policy of not commenting about US politics.
      I simply don’t know enough.
      Frankly I think it would be a good idea
      If Americans did Australians the same courtesy.
      There are issues & problems which cross national boundaries.
      But dealing with them within each nation
      Is the task of each nation’s own citizens
      Circumstances, legislative framework and national psychology
      Differ from one nation to another.

      And yes I know you were trying on a joke.

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        Anne

        I am very happy to read insights from our American friends on this site and thankyou to those who contribute. Likewise, I’m sure some of our experiences here in Australia, not to mention the UK, Canada, NZ, South Africa, France, Finland, Germany, etc. etc. are all valuable and interesting. It is different from interference, as in Obama having the brass neck to presume to bully the British about the Brexit referendum in 2016 and threaten to put Britain ‘at the back of the queue’. We are exchanging insights and knowledge here, not trying to browbeat each other.

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        Annie

        I am very happy to read the contributions from our American friends on here. We can all contribute interesting insights and exchange knowledge whether from the US and Canada, NZ, Britain, South Africa, Finland, France, Germany. It is different from the sort of bullying we saw as in Obama trying to tell Britons how to vote in the 2016 referendum under threat of ‘going to the back of the queue’.
        I find it fascinating, in fact, to read something of ‘how others see us’. It is better than being too inward-looking.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    Yes, pun intended.

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    robert rosicka

    Thought the ABC were over sooking about the election but then there’s this Gem .

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-23/federal-election-2019-aus-votes-polling-malcolm-turnbull/11144464

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      TdeF

      Interesting but he’s probably wrong again, like his polls.

      In the last few weeks of the campaign Labor and the Greens, so certain of success told the public all the horrible things they were going to do to the people of Australia. Rob pensioners, rob self funded retirees, rob shareholders, trust funds, force house prices down, force everyone to buy electric cars, shut down our biggest exports and send tens of billions of our cash overseas for nothing and put windmills on Manly beach. And there was nothing the people of Australia could do about it. Albanese even said “If you don’t like us don’t vote for us”.

      Who needs polling to know this damaged their chances? Especially in aspirational job poor Queensland.

      Now Albanese, very far to the left of his nemesis Bill Shorten wants to lead the Labor party and push the same agenda?

      Who needs polls to know this hard left politician and friend of anti semitic communist Jeremy Corbyn is completely unsuitable.
      As warmist commentator Alan Kohler wrote, they should say nothing or if pressed, lie. Corbyn is the only thing which kept the Tories in
      power with useless Teresa May leading from behind.

      That was the real problem with Labor and the modern Turnbull/Mark Textor philosophy of the rusted on voter and the drive for the upper middle class public servant Green vote. It’s not true. All Morrison had to do was project a reassuring steady vision and Labor self destructed. The faith in polls was the problem and as for exit polls, it was the clearly cocky Labor and Green voters who were happy to answer questions as the exit polls were nonsense.

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        Annie

        I thought it was Chris Bowen who said that?

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          robert rosicka

          If they’re saying Turdball would still be PM if it wasn’t for the bad polls logic says that Abbott would still have the top job .

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    Curious George

    They did everything by the book – and lost. Maybe Dr. Josef Goebbels was not right? Maybe it only works in Germany?

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      TdeF

      Goebbels was different. He lied incessantly. The Labor/Green mistake was telling the truth, which horrified most people. Even people who had always voted Labor.

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    DMA

    “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,” Michael Mann, atmospheric science professor and director of the Penn State Earth System Science Center”
    So to Mike the majority of Australian voters is ‘small number of bad actors’. I think his math aptitude is questionable as well.

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    Drapetomania

    The problem is, most green idiots here dont understand what the game is.
    We are supposed to become “carbon neutral” and destroy the economy not because it will have any effect on global temperatures..it wont of course.
    Its to give us the moral high ground..cough cough..to then lecture others to follow us..which of course they would not do…
    Thats it, in a nut shell

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      el gordo

      The masses need to be educated.

      ‘ABC sources have said Sky’s highest-paid presenter will make the jump to take over from Barrie Cassidy, who is retiring next month.

      ‘The ABC has not confirmed the appointment.

      ‘The Walkley award-winning journalist, 44, would almost certainly take a pay cut if he left Rupert Murdoch’s pay TV operation, where sources say he is paid more than $500,000.’

      Guardian

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    el gordo

    Polling Fiasco

    “If the true situation was Labor was ahead, [then] the Coalition was ahead, Labor ahead, Coalition ahead, and it was all a lot closer than it looked, we would probably still have Malcolm Turnbull as prime minister.”

    ‘Mr Utting said polling done properly was a “fifth estate” that provided a valuable feedback service between elections.’

    ABC

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      Bill in Oz

      E G, That is an interesting interview.

      Consider, 1 the polls were bloody wrong all along…. 2 : Liberal backbenchers last year acted to dump Turnbull because of the polls. 3 : Morrison became the leader & Pm in the wash-up from the dumping of Turnbull 4: Now there is a re-elected Coalition government with a PM who wants lower power prices and is not convinced that renewables can do that – unlike Turnbull..

      Al in all that’s fortuitously a pretty good outcome..

      And now Shorten is gone as well..

      Ummmmmm !

      What’s to complain about ?

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        el gordo

        As the man said, its a miracle.

        And now that Albo is leader of the Opposition our democracy will be reinvigorated, my fears of a cultural Marxist one party state has evaporated.

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    Robber

    The vagaries of the AEMO electricity wholesale pricing system.
    In Vic on May 22, average price $113/MWhr, on May 23 $87/MWhr. And in SA, daily price dropped from $111 to $57/MWhr.
    With Vic demand about 5,000 MW, that means generators in Vic shared an extra $3 million for the day because someone bid some higher prices. Seems to be that on the low price day the wind was blowing, so there was less gas used in SA and Vic.

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    pat

    not all about CAGW, but plenty of it nonetheless.

    Lord Adair Turner begins with the most aggressive CAGW nonsense imaginable – by 2050, zero carbon economy and we wouldn’t even notice the cost it had taken to get there.
    second up is Geoff Mulgan – check out his Wikipedia page. also note: Demos was founded in 1993 by former Marxism Today editor Martin Jacques, and Geoff Mulgan, who became its first director. talks about “collective intelligence” etc.

    AUDIO: 23 May: ABC Big Ideas: Paul Barclay: Shaping technology to be a social benefit to all
    Human Intelligence 2.0 A Collective Future How will we manage the transition? recorded 1 April 2019 Creative Innovation Conference
    Featured:
    Paul Cobban – Data specialist DBS Bank
    Emma Martinho Truswell -Chief Operating Officer Oxford Insights
    Dr Geoff Mulgan- Chief Executive NESTA
    ***Lord Adair Turner – Chair UK Energy Transitions Commission and Senior Fellow Institute for New Economic Thinking
    Professor Kathleen Richardson- De Montfort University Professor Ethics and Culture of Robots and AI
    Dr Simon Longstaff- Executive Director The Ethics Centre
    Peter Hunt AM – moderator- banker and philanthropist
    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/technology-of-benefit-to-all-or-the-chosen-few/11134968

    CreativeInnovationGlobal: Human Intelligence 2.0 A Collective Future How will we manage the transition?
    Major Partner: Victoria State Govt
    Innovation Partners: Aust Govt, Dept of Defense; Dept of Veterans Affairs; Westpac; Woodside
    Foundations Partners: Aust Govt, ATO; Dept of Industry Innovation & Science; Dept of Infrastructure;
    VIEW MORE PARTNERS: includes Chevron, Deakin Uni, Dept of Prime Minister & Cabinet, Monash Uni, Uni of Tasmania, UTS, Victorian Public Sector Commission, etc etc…
    https://www.creativeinnovationglobal.com.au/ci2019/

    fave bit from the Program page:

    GALA CONFERENCE DINNER AND DISRUPTIVE DEBATE Q&A (6:30pm – 10:30pm)
    Sofitel Melbourne On Collins Ballroom 25 Collins Street Melbourne
    Q&A: Capitalism and Democracy: Do they have a future?
    Fine food, wine, a Grand Disruptive Debate featuring Chief Provocateur Lord Adair Turner (UK) etc…

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    Maptram

    One Nation has crept ahead of the Greens in the Senate vote for Queensland

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      theRealUniverse

      I dont think QLDers were as sucked in by the ‘New Green Deal – AU ALP version’ as the media pundits tried to claim (before the election).

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    pat

    Qld Premier to announce deadline for Adani Carmichael mine mid-June following the announcement of the budget (per Ray Hadley 2GB).

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    Carbon500

    Here’s how the European Union wastes public money on an unbelievable scale:
    It has put forward its future budgetary plans, which include spending a quarter of its entire finances on ‘tackling climate change.’
    Under the new proposals, covering the period between 2021 and 2027, a total of €320 billion will be spent on climate adaptation and mitigation, an increase of €114 billion.
    The European Commission’s President, Jean-Claude Juncker, said the plan was “an important moment for our Union. The new budget is an opportunity to shape our future as a new, ambitious Union of 27 bound together by solidarity.”
    Under the current budget, €206 billion is already being spent out to 2020 on combating climate change through investments in energy efficiency, renewable energy, environmental protection, and other carbon reduction schemes. This represents 20 percent of the budget, and so the draft proposal represents an overall increase of 5 percent.
    Earlier this year, French President Emmanuel Macron floated the idea that 40 percent of the EU’s budget should be spent on making the transition to a low-carbon economy, commenting the amount “would allow for this transition to be ambitious rather than measured, as it is today.”
    Environmental groups were also quick to point out a higher figure was needed to meet the goals of the Paris climate agreement.
    Markus Trilling, policy coordinator at the CAN Europe said that “it is a good sign that the European Commission considers increasing the share of the future budget dedicated to climate action”, but that so far “the green potential of the EU budget has regrettably been untapped.”
    “To bring European economies closer to the Paris Agreement, the post-2020 EU budget must spend at least 40 percent on the decarbonisation of energy, industry and mobility systems, and ensure not one cent will benefit fossil fuel-related activities and infrastructure.
    Roland Joebstl, a policy officer at the European Environmental Bureau, said the plan should also be more “Paris-compatible”.
    “An increase of climate spending does not fix a budget that, overall, still fails to be carbon neutral.”
    The budget will now go to the European Parliament and Council for final approval where revisions could be made to the level of climate ambition.
    All that public money which could be spent on society’s real needs is going to be wasted – because these clowns think that they’re going to be able to change the world’s climate – laughable.
    It’s a disgrace, nothing less.

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