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Climate Change remains Malcolm Turnbulls Kryptonite

As long as “climate change” is on the agenda in Western politics it will keep tearing the right-conservative side of politics apart. Because it is built on a mistake, the only stability for the right (and eventually the left) will be resolute skepticism. Truth will out in the end. Til then, the right side hobbles along with the exception of a few like Abbott, then moreso, Trump. Trump is the only politician to laugh at the snake oil salesmen and he won the most powerful democratic battle on Earth. When will other non-leftie politicans get the message?

Here in Australia the issue is so toxic that the only kind of carbon tax we can have is the secret, mislabeled kind. The climate issue is so toxic it has gone underground.

The legacy media keep telling us “the science” is all one way so they are baffled that so many in politics don’t get it. What the media hide from themselves is that skeptical scientists vastly outnumber and outrank the believers, and that most of the public doesn’t buy the message either (see these climate polls). If politicans truly represented the public on this, over half would be skeptical.

Australian Financial Review: “More than half of federal Liberal MPs ‘don’t trust’ climate science: think tank

John Roskam, the executive director of the Melbourne-based Institute of Public Affairs, said he hadn’t conducted a formal count but found most Liberal politicians shared his doubts about what many experts say is the greatest global threat to mankind.

“More than 50 per cent are solid sceptics and more than 50 per cent feel they need to be seen to do something,” he said in an interview. “The science is not settled.”

Journalist Aaron Patrick drops the usual line in about “climate scientists” as the gospel:

The overwhelming majority of climate change scientists accept the atmosphere is warming and humans are responsible.

What he probably has no idea of, is how that small sub branch of science has failed utterly to convince any other branch of it’s central thesis. Surely if climate scientists were right, the first people to recognise that would be meteorologists, followed by engineers, geologists, chemists, etc.

The fact is (and any genuine reporter would find this out easily) almost half  of meteorologists — fergoodnesssake — are skeptics, survey after survey shows that two-thirds of geoscientists and engineers are skeptics, and most readers of skeptical blogs (who chose to respond to surveys and list their qualifications in  comments^) have hard science degrees. Of the twelve astronauts who ever walked on the moon, three are outspoken skeptics (Harrison Schmidt, Buzz Aldrin, and Charles Duke). Not to mention that some skeptics have Nobel prizes (the real kind in Physics, not “Peace”). If we had to name a list of skeptics versus believers, the skeptics number 31,000, yet there is no list of named scientists who believe that comes close — let alone a list of 300,000 which would imply some truth to the statement that the science is settled, and the world’s scientists agree.

The one sided reporting leaves us open to these kinds of myths — as if a large part of conservative politics disagrees with “science”:

But many right-wing politicians, commentators and voters aren’t convinced the scientists are correct, or suspect the consequences of global warming are being exaggerated for ideological or economic reasons. Some Liberals unenthusiastically support climate change policies in the hope scientific opinion will shift in future years, Mr Roskam said.

 Top marks to Peta Credlin

The Coalition backbench is “deeply sceptical about climate theology,” the former chief of staff to Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Peta Credlin, wrote in the Daily Telegraph last week.

“Make no mistake, even his strongest supporters in Cabinet understand that climate change remains Malcolm Turnbull’s kryptonite,” Ms Credlin wrote.

Nick Cater is brilliant, when asked what his think tanks climate position was he said “Should we have one?”

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    Graeme No.3

    And as the electricity crisis continues in Australia, more and more voters are going to support those who are ‘sceptical’ indeed downright hostile to the AGW mob.
    As they realise they are going to lose office and the perks expect more Liberals to appear as sceptics in public.

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      Tom R Hammer

      It’s going to be incredibly difficult to do anything about renewable energy in Australia now. Even now as the energy shortfall becomes evident, instead of fingers being pointed towards wind and solar, the public anger is being successfully redirected towards government for failed privatisation efforts and inability to sufficiently enable enough gas for gas-fired power stations. This is with the tacit approval of Turnbull and his supporters and a deliberate strategy on the part of the Greens and Labor.

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        Hat Rack

        Tom, agree with your point about public anger being redirected. However, Turnbull’s support has hardly been “tacit”.

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        el gordo

        Because 80% of Australians have been severely brainwashed we need to take over the propaganda arms of government, the ABC and SBS, then we will conduct a debriefing exercise.

        This of course is way down the track, but in the short term mass disobedience is probably our only option. Intelligent people vote informally.

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          dadgervais

          In the U.S. (and likely Australia) it’s the Education Establishment that is the main propaganda arm of the government. The MSM are only the echo chamber to keep the sheeple from backsliding after graduation.

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            el gordo

            The pseudo Marxist hegemony in Australia has forced young students to absorb the propaganda through the education system, this is a crime against humanity and I spit on the brainwashed masses from a great height.

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        OriginalSteve

        Hmmm…this seems pure nonsense, but brilliantly clever – blaming consumers for wanting reliability – how dare they…..

        Looks like a push to convince consumers they really should have 3rd world electircity…

        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-18/australian-gold-plated-power-grid/8721566

        I laughed out loud at this ( no mention of the cancer of lack-of-stability-causing renewables places on a grid…)

        “The system causes blackouts despite excess capacity

        The international comparisons are staggering.

        The total value of the entire electricity network in the US, a country of 320 million people, is $US100 billion, while the value of Australia’s network is not far short — $100 billion or $US75 billion.”

        “The complete lack of long-term policy certainty for investors has led to a shortage of excess energy generation and, therefore, blackouts.

        It has also been responsible for surging electricity prices which have encouraged disillusioned consumers to search for alternatives, including the push towards solar energy, batteries and self sufficiency.”

        Yes, lack of stability due to renewables will do that to you…..

        Pants on fire…..

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          Ted O'Brien.

          Channelling Julia. Their “Gold Plating” is really their “renewables”.

          As for valuation. In ALP/Greens economics, if two teams of two men are sent out to dig two identical holes, the first team gets stuck into the job and finishes in a day while the second bludges and takes a week, when the invoices come back to the management, they say: “Look, the value of this second hole is five times the value of the first. Next time we want a hole dug, hire that team”.

          When the money grubbers see this, they say: “Look, this second hole is a gold mine! Let’s mine it for all we can get out of it”.

          And that is how the valuation of our network gets comparable to the US.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          Channelling Julia. Their “Gold Plating” is really their “renewables”.

          As for valuation. In ALP/Greens economics, if two teams of two men are sent out to dig two identical holes, the first team gets stuck into the job and finishes in a day while the second bludges and takes a week, when the invoices come back to the management, they say: “Look, the value of this second hole is five times the value of the first. Next time we want a hole dug, hire that team”.

          When the money grubbers see this, they say: “Look, this second hole is a gold mine! Let’s mine it for all we can get out of it”.

          And that is how the valuation of our network gets comparable to the US.

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        peter

        Whatever problems we have with Turnbull, he is still a better option than Bill Shorten for PM of Australia. With Shorten, it is party policy to have 50% renewables in power supply. This will transform all of Australia to be like South Australia with high electricity prices, poor reliability and even black-outs. How will you like that? We’re caught between a rock and a hard place.

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          el gordo

          Beijing would prefer Electricity Bill, he is a big Silk Roads fan.

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          Greebo

          I find it hard to agree. If Turnbull should win, then I would expect 50% RET to be on the agenda quite quickly. Turnbull and Photios have been playing a long game, with both of them, and quite a few others, having financial skin in the game. Turnbull’s son is into renewables as well. At least with Shorten you know what you are getting.

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            Ted O'Brien.

            Turnbull 50%? I don’t think so.

            Turnbull is deeply in debt to Barnaby Joyce. Barnaby Joyce has already saved the National Party from annihilation. Without him they would have disappeared in 2010.

            If Turnbull can win the next election it will be through the agency of Barnaby Joyce.

            I can’t see Barnaby Joyce supporting the attack on coal.

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          Sceptical Sam

          Peter, your “Turnbull better than Shorten” no matter what, line of argument is what the left-wing liberals are relying on. They’re boiling the frogs slowly. Starting with a simmer, it’ll end in a boiling cauldron of disaster if they succeed.

          Hopefully they won’t succeed.

          My own view is that the liberals are gone. Turnbull is history.

          Australia is under-going a major political adjustment. We are currently only in the early stages. It may take a few election cycles before we see the full manifestation of the re-balancing.

          A new conservatism is a growing force. That’s to be expected. It’s a natural human reaction to a swing that’s gone too far one way. Political history is replete with examples.

          Turnbull is destroying the liberal party. He will annihilate it if he is not removed. He is a lefty. He is a crony-capitalist. A socialist. And a greenie. A spender. A man of poor judgement.

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            Graeme No.3

            Certainly a man of poor judgement but I think you underestimate his ego. I am sure that he thinks that he is the one who can bring enlightenment to the inferior masses.
            His judgement is quite flawed and he may have to spend the rest of his life in the Cayman Islands to avoid prosecution.

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            Ted O'Brien.

            Major political adjustment?

            What if De Natale is still an Italian?

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            el gordo

            ‘A new conservatism is a growing force.’

            Nonsense, democracy is dead in the water.

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    John Watt

    Taking this at face value how are we as Australians sitting around watching our economy and therefore our “commonwealth” being destroyed by a combination of green propagand and corporate greed? Gore must be overjoyed in his success in selling a lie.

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      Graeme No.3

      The Liberal parliamentarians chucked Tony Abbott off the bus when they thought that they would lose office under him. What happens when they realise they are not just going to lose office under Turnbull but lose it for the rest of their political life? Hysterical panic. I very much doubt they will turn back to Abbott, partly because I think he doesn’t want the job again and partly because of the Casandra effect i.e. resentment against those who have offered good advice and have been proved correct.
      At the moment Turnbull and others are trying to get natural gas available and use that for lower emissions. It will be more costly than coal fired but more reliable than renewables. Their problem is that a large number of them cannot grasp that renewables won’t work with any cheaper constant generation method, so they will pander to a belief that the public wants renewables. As the cost rises and blackouts increase the public is going to understand that it is renewables that cause the problem and vote for those who promise cheaper more reliable electricity. The Liberals will become a minor and unimportant party much like the DLP.

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        el gordo

        ‘….and vote for those who promise cheaper more reliable electricity.’

        You’re dreaming, only Kelly is one of us and he has been marginalised.

        Vote Informal … a pox on all your houses.

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          clive hoskin

          You vote Informal and you are handing the election to”Shorton-brains”

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          OriginalSteve

          They need a double dissolution.

          Australia needs a political “daisy cutter” to clear the dross and start again…..

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        Graeme No.3

        Proof read silly boy! It should be Cassandra.

        My point is that the general public may not know about forcing effects, heat at the bottom of the ocean etc. but they will look at their rising electricity bills and will want action. Shorten may well get in thanks to incompetence from the Liberals but he will suffer the same fate.
        The current Liberal ‘policy’ is to spend money on non-problems because that is Labor policy. As the public realise that it is their money, they aren’t going to be in favour of anyone claiming he can throw more money faster down the gurgler. It may take a few years for that message to sink in, esp. as the politicians are quite good at meaningless waffle, but in the end the plain truth will win. Any drop in temperatures across most of Austalia in the next few years is going to speed up the collapse of AGW.

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          el gordo

          No, the people are brainwashed and cannot think for themselves and their political betters all go by the collective name of Winston Smith.

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          OriginalSteve

          They know the jig us up, once the tenos start dropping, so they will try and kill off the economy as fast as possible so that when the planned WW3 kicks off, people will ( like coming out if the 1930s depression ) grasp any offer on the table and accept it…..

          The NWO crowd are thoroughly evil sods…do not trust them at all….

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            Manfred

            The NWO crowd are thoroughly evil sods

            aka. Global grooming

            They have suborned the Fourth Estate. Their ideology is is embraced by the unthinker. They have supplanted the primary aims of the UN and daily, prepare it for global administration. As they close on a date for implementation (2030) their focus and their grip becomes palpable. They transfix the World with the promise of salvation.

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              Glen Michel

              Manfred, they have inveigled their way into the media for sure- supported by “useful idiots” by the score. Myrmidons of the Malthusians.

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              clive hoskin

              UN’s Agenda 2030 : Goal 5) Achieve gender equality and empower all women and girls

              Translation: Criminalize Christianity, marginalize heterosexuality, demonize males and promote the LGBT agenda everywhere. The real goal is never “equality” but rather the marginalization and shaming of anyone who expresses any male characteristics whatsoever. The ultimate goal is to feminize society, creating widespread acceptance of “gentle obedience” along with the self-weakening ideas of communal property and “sharing” everything. Because only male energy has the strength to rise up against oppression and fight for human rights, the suppression of male energy is key to keeping the population in a state of eternal acquiescence. http://www.naturalnews.com

              That is why there is a female Dr Who.
              A bit of lite relief : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G5jYKwxuFc Gay Daleks.

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                Glen Michel

                My God, Clive! Gay Daleks! Exterminate or extirpate.That is the question.

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                Ava

                Dr. Who wouldn’t be the first to undergo gender transition but will she have a sonic screwdriver or a lipstick laser?

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                tom0mason

                A female ‘Dr. Who’?

                History is said not to repeat but often rhyme.

                Could it be a modern retake on the old Greek myth of the Amazon Queen?
                ~~~~~~
                Pseudo-Hyginus, Fabulae 223 (trans. Grant) (Roman mythographer C2nd A.D.) :
                “Seven Wonders of the World . . . The temple of Diana [Artemis] at Ephesus which the Amazon Otrera, wife of Mars [Ares], made.”
                ¯
                And
                ¯
                Homer, Iliad 3. 185 ff (trans. Lattimore) (Greek epic C8th B.C.) :
                “[King Priamos (Priam) of Troy tells the tale of a battle with the Amazones in his youth :] ‘I looked on the Phrygian men with their swarming horses, so many of them, the people of Otreus and godlike Mygdon, whose camp was spread at that time along the banks of the Sangarios : and I myself, a helper in war, was marshalled among them on that day when the Amazon women came, men’s equals.’”
                ~~~~~~~

                No so much the fair complaint maid but a warrior and ‘men’s equal’.

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            el gordo

            Even when temperatures fall and stay down the Klimatariat will say its because of industrial CO2. There won’t be a third world war because Beijing is a benevolent dictatorship, and in the same breath I can say that the yuan will become king and the US dollar assigned to history, so no economic depression on our watch.

            Voting informally at every election is the our only hope.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          We don’t need to know bout forcing effects, we’ll leave that up to you. All we need to know about is the fiddling of the data.

          Jo is too kind to declare that the politics is built on a mistake. For me it all started with the ALP’s hijacking of the management of the CSIRO in December 1986. I don’t see any mistake. I see political fraud.

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            Sceptical Sam

            Yep.

            Wran the CSIRO insurgent.

            The march through the institutions.

            The Gramsci playbook instituted by the Fabians.

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        Dennis

        No doubt about it, Turnbull and the “Black Hand” faction members took advantage of the Abbott led Coalition defeat of Gillard Labor in 2010 (they were forced into a minority alliance government) and then in 2013 defeated Rudd Labor in a landslide victory. Accordingly there were many new MPs in Parliament on the Coalition side, notably Liberal Party. The Coalition victories came despite not good published poll results.

        The Black Hand took advantage of the substantial majority and new inexperienced MPs to replace Abbott with Turnbull as they had been working towards since 2009 via anonymous undermining tactics. They convinced enough of the new MPs that to secure their seats in 2016 they needed a new leader.

        PM Turnbull led the Coalition close to defeat in 2016 and the government was saved by one National Party seat gain.

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          TdeF

          It was also saved by the outrageous Daniel Andrews in Victoria, a new Union appointed Premier who declared war on Country Victoria through the CFA. The Coalition did not lose a single seat in Victoria, which was remarkable and nothing to do with Malcolm who came here once and stood on a tram in a pin stripe suit, a man of the people. That was his campaign. When you consider the disaster that is Weatherill’s SA government and the turmoil in Queensland, every thing will change. Only 12% of the workforce are in Unions but perhaps 40% of public servants.

          The biggest prize though is electricity. Whoever promises to end the endless taxes on electricity and the non taxes like the RET will sweep to victory. No one believes Global Warming any more. Climate Change is fantasy. “The Science” will fade into history along with Gore, Flannery, Pachauri, Hansen, Mann, the Profiteers of Doom.

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            TdeF

            I suppose you cannot end endless taxes. Sorry. Perhaps remove pervasive taxes.

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              Dennis

              TdeF it has long been discussed that governments, particularly the federal government, have revenue problems. Of course they also have spending problems that need to be dealt with too. I suspect that PM Turnbull has more devious plans in mind to raise revenue by stealth. Apparently he once invited former Treasurer Costello for dinner and to stay overnight at his Sydney home and after dinner Turnbull produced his blueprint for the future and presented it to Costello. It included ways to increase the tax base.

              My point being the stealth carbon tax introduced soon after Turnbull became PM and now levied against fossil fuel power station businesses to force the owners into a “commercial decision” to close them down sooner than otherwise might have been the long term plan.

              Recently the media reported that a new tax on motor vehicles was being considered and Christopher Pyne responded with a denial. I suspect that the leaked information was not presented accurately by the media and the new tax is not new and will be the stealth carbon tax extended to cover petrol and diesel fuels.

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                Manfred

                Recently the media reported that a new tax on motor vehicles…

                Doubtless a “recommendation” by their UN Globocult masters who have already announced the vision diktat of fossil fuel free cities, designed to eventually force and impose e-vehicles and destroy independent mobility. I wonder how that will go down in NZ where public transport borders on the pathetic. Possibly the NZ government will impose further ETS type charges on fuel.

                The Globocult goal, to force as many as possible toward community ownership and the hire of electric vehicles or the use of public transport. Volvo’s recently irrational move in the e-vehicle direction can really only be driven by top-down political directive rather than any bottom-up market demand.

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          Greebo

          Sorry, but the Nats took that seat from the Libs, not Labor. As TdeF says, it was Red Dan that saved Mal. We could have been halfway through the pain needed to purge the Black Hand, Photios driven nonsense by now. As it is, brace yourself for two term Bill.

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        TdeF

        That is Bernadi’s whole and timely idea. Turnbull just read Menzies epitaph and that of Menzies’ Liberals. The Pretender has claimed his throne but without a shred of conservative thinking. Turnbull’s New Liberals are the US Liberals, not Menzies’ conservative Liberals. At least we will no longer have to explain to Americans why a conservative PM calls himself a Liberal and detests Trump and the Republicans.

        With the departure of the baby boomers, including most of the cabinet, there may be a new party like the Australian Conservatives. However they will be voting for another 20 years, so there is a huge base.

        At 47 Bernadi is young enough. He has presence and confidence and charisma. Once the rush to the Australian conservatives becomes a flood, whole sections of the Liberals will defect including much of the apparatus. In Victoria, Kroger is busy fighting the McCormack foundation for control of the historic Liberal $70Million cash cow while the place is falling apart. The older McCormack directors are interested in funding real conservatives like Bob Day’s Family First and withholding millions from Kroger and Zimmerman and Turnbull’s Liberals. If they switched to Bernadi as they can, it would be game over. Much depends on the Trust documents and while Turnbulls poses as Menzies successor, they may decide otherwise. As Malcolm’s Liberals are indistinguishable from Labor, it should be an easy decision but one which will end up in the Supreme Court.

        If they did, the ultimate defection would be Abbott and he would take his electorate with him and half the Liberal party and more importantly the party apparatus. Malcolm and his new Liberals would fade into memory, stripped of a system they did not earn. Malcolm will never see his $1.75million again.

        This is getting more and more likely. Even if Abbott was offered a cabinet post tomorrow, it would be to silence him and he would refuse. Besides, Turnbull, Bishop, Morrison, Pyne, Brandis and more have shown how little respect they had for the rules of Menzies party. In Malcolm’s new Liberals, it’s all about Malcolm and his clones. A bit Star Wars. Next will be the return of the Jedi.

        While Turnbull is probably still dreaming of a deal with the Greens, it will never happen. They nearly made it last time with real Labor and a lot of the Greens are really Labor, just as so many of the UK Independence party were really Labor.

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          Annie

          ‘just as so many of the UK Independence Party were really Labour’?

          Most I knew were cheesed-off Conservative voters, including members of the local party.

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            TdeF

            Yes, May and pollsters thought so. She called a very early election based on their predictions of a massive landslide and they were completely wrong and turned a comfortable working majority into a marginal government for no reason at all!
            Far from a Tories landslide, the UKIP party vote vanished and Labor grew dramatically. Thus my conclusion.

            While everyone blames May, I would blame the polls as in the US. These tiny samples are just not enough and nearly cost the Tories government. Now they are ahead but far from a mandate, Scotland and Northern Island and Corbyn can threaten every move.

            Polls have been so wrong in the last few elections, but still journalists believe them. Or at least 97% do on Climate Change. Personally I would not trust polls. They were wrong about Howard, Abbott, May, Trump, Clinton, Corbyn, so many.

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          Dennis

          I hope your predictions are accurate TdeF, I have no doubts whatsoever that the Turnbull fake Liberal Party is doomed to failure, it’s a matter of how much longer the ducting tape will hold.

          It is way past time for a new conservative party to offer the real alternative government and policies to union controlled Labor and Greens.

          Tony Abbott led the Coalition to victory against Gillard Labor in 2010 and Rudd Labor in 2013 but he was severely handicapped by the traitors within the Liberal Party who plotted against his leadership from 2009 to 2015 when they succeeded in replacing him. But he was also under attack from international socialism and the UN based climate change politicians and fellow travellers. As Christopher Monckton warned Australians, to watch PM Abbott’s back.

          Unfortunately too many Australians are politically naive and even apathetic, but the numbers waking up are encouraging.

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          Glen Michel

          I believe Bernardi’s show is the way. More cerebral than O.N Free thinkers need a political party to adhere to NOW. Australian Conservatives have to be in the mix and up and running come 2019.

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            el gordo

            I lost faith in Bernardi when he put solar panels on his roof, the man has no principles. He hoped for a bright political future hanging on to Donald’s coat tails, how’s that turning out?

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              PeterPetrum

              El Gordo, Barnardi explained why he did that. He said that at this critical stage in his development of his new party he had to guarantee the availability of power to allow him to keep up his communications. With the abysmal condition of power supplies in SA, this was his only option at the present time. He is no GW apologist – relax!

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                Sceptical Sam

                Peter, that’s the flimsiest explanation I’ve ever heard.

                Surely you know as well as all the rest of us, that when the grid goes down every thing goes down – including the juice from your home PVs.

                https://www.solarmarket.com.au/solar-panels-blackout/

                If he said that then he’s not to be trusted – or alternatively, he’s ignorant.

                And, further, if he thinks solar PVs saves him money, then he hasn’t done his figures. Hence he just looks like another innumerate politician who hasn’t done his home work.

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                el gordo

                Bernardi is a political lightweight and opportunistic dim wit, a totally unprincipled waste of space.

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        PeterPetrum

        You are quite correct, Grahame, but it is all a bit deeper and more sinister than that. Pyne’s drunken bragging about the Black Hand (the extreme left wing of the Liberal Party) now being in the “winner’s corner”, gives the truth to what Lord Moncton warned us about before Tony Abbott and the then Canadian Prime Minister were deposed. The Black Hand were very aware that Turnbull could not win the election in 2013 and allowed Tony to do so, in a landslide. Then Turnbull and his team set about undercutting Tony, as Labor did with Rudd, for the same reason. The rest is history; Turnbull got the winners guernsey and set about turning the Liberal Party into the Turnbull/Socialist Party. And here we are.

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          Graeme No.3

          Is that for me?
          Seriously the Liberal Party is split into roughly 3 sections. There are the Conservatives like Abbott, the liberals, for want of a better term, who look to do the same as the Labor middle would do, and the ‘undecided’. The latter are the battleground as all they are concerned with is their own survival. That is the mob that Turnbull swung behind his bid, and equally the mob that he needs to keep onside. This mob think that adopting Labor policies is the way back to office, so they will hew to the ridiculous idea that renewables in a mixed system will reduce emissions. Sadly they are wrong but the public won’t recognise that until too late.
          I see no way out of the coming depression until both MT and BS are exposed as fakes. Only after that will there be a new Political Landscape where the division between the public interest and the vapid waffling of the Socialists is obvious. Unfortunately Australia will be the poorer for the next few years and will need many years to recover. I won’t be there to see it but I think that Australia has something to ofer to the world rather than slavish acceptance of the third rate intellectual garbage now prevalent in the Universities and the media.

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      Tim Hammond

      I don’t think Gore is selling a lie, he believes he is selling the truth. But he, like Obama and Blair, has a serious Messiah Complex, a need to save the World

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        TdeF

        Not so sure. History is full of Gores, who profit so incredibly. The Beatles swami in rags died with an estate of 2Billion pound. Now that’s a lot. Some people search though their lives for something which will attract people and money. The Rev Jim Jones started with Communism. So did most of the Greens. Science Fiction writer L.Ron Hubbard as well. Then he decided the way to get rich was to start a religion, so scientology with General Xenu, dictator of the Galactic Confederacy, thetans, volcanoes, DC8 space ships. It all ends up with wanting a lot of money.

        So I really do not believe Gore believes it. I believe he is passionate about it. There is a different, more prosaic explanation than faith or even idiocy from a science incompetent type whose degree thesis was on the impact of Television in Richard Nixon’s campaign. Carbon Dioxide, the evil that has made so many rich has now made Gore rich and very famous. What more could an essayist want?

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    King Geo

    “Climate Change remains Malcolm Turnbulls Kryptonite”

    And remember Malcolm is no Superman – he will soon be cactus, ie full of water sitting in a desert deserted of support both within his party and from voters leaning to the right. Cactus Malcolm, the member for WentEarth, I mean Wentworth, it seems is leaning so far to the left that he will topple over for sure.

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      King Geo

      “Climate Change remains Malcolm Turnbulls Kryptonite”

      And remember Malcolm is no Superman – he will soon be cactus, ie full of water sitting in a desert deserted of support both within his party and from voters leaning to the right. It seems he is leaning so far to the left, ie wrt Climate Change matters, that he will topple over for sure. Any party that promotes the Paris Agreement and the doubling of the nations electricity prices by fast tracking to RE is doomed – for sure that is the No. 1 priority for the ALP & Greens. Why would the Coalition do likewise? It makes electoral sense to challenge the “AGW Alarmist Doctrine”, like Trump, and deliver what the Aussie electorate really want, cheap & reliable base load energy generation – and that can only be delivered by fossil fuels & nuclear with the latter not an option in Oz any time soon.

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        King G

        Could you fit “surrounded by prickles” in that description?

        (Or shorten that wording slightly)

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      Richard Hill

      EG: Yes the BOM and such are the real issue. Pollies are only responders not originators. The real influencers are the senior scientists at BOM CSIRO AAAS and so on. A politician told me he gets 50 letters about the danger of CO2 for every skeptic letter. This is in a conservative area! If you were him you would keep a low profile on the topic. The commenters on this blog are aiming at the wrong people. How about legal action such as “failing the duty of care” to a senior publicly funded scientist. I would gladly contribute to a fighting fund for such a legal case.

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        el gordo

        ‘The real influencers are the senior scientists at BOM CSIRO AAAS and so on.’

        Yes and the Klimatariat have cleverly moved the goal posts, so that it becomes a discussion on energy use. Legal action is a long haul proposition and the Precautionary Principle remains their saving grace.

        Ideally a Gleissberg Minimum will intervene and they will all be exposed as cargo cultists, in the meantime I’ll go for the political option, make your vote count, vote informally.

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          Dennis

          Surely not an informal vote el gordo, that could allow candidates we would not want to sneak in, particularly in marginal electorate seats where political parties already manipulate and focus their attention to win.

          I will not vote for the major parties but when the list of candidates is published I will then carefully select my primary vote candidate and place the Greens, Labor & Liberals last in that order.

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            el gordo

            Because of preference voting you will end up electing a political monster from one of the majors to run the country, my conscience is clear.

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        Forrest Gardener

        Richard, I don’t doubt that your politician gets 50 times as many letters about the dangers of CO2 as skeptical letters, but how many of them are genuine?

        Astroturf mail bombing is a standard in propaganda.

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      Glen Michel

      One looks to the corrupted head of the BOM.

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    Rereke Whakaaro

    The overwhelming majority of climate change scientists accept the atmosphere is warming and humans are responsible.

    The overwhelming majority of beef cattle accept that following a vegetarian diet is overwhelmingly beneficial to humans, and their pets.

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      Gavin

      “The overwhelming majority of climate change scientists accept the atmosphere is warming and humans are responsible.”

      The overwhelming majority of clerics accept that the world is ordered by a beardy old bloke who lives on a cloud. Clerics have been to seminaries to study these issues and have continued studying them throughout their professional lives, so their opinion cannot be challenged by anyone who is not a cleric. We’re too ignorant and absolutely not clever enough to understand what clerics understand so we better just accept what they’re telling us. I’m 97% sure that’s right.

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        bullocky

        A canny analogy, Gavin; the ‘beardy old bloke’ happens to be omniscient, just like the GCMs!

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        Rod Stuart

        I prefer the analogy of King James VI of Scotland (and later King James I of England) and his obsession with witchcraft.
        King Henry IV of France, a contemporary, called him the “wisest fool in Christendom”, as King James was regarded an “intellectual”.
        Superstitious from an early age, King James brought the medieval fear and superstition of witchcraft from Denmark to Scotland.
        He wrote a book called “Demonology” circa 1590 which was widely regarded as the definitive work on identification and conviction of witches. At a time of widespread illiteracy in Europe, strange concoctions of make-believe and fantasy spread by word of mouth.
        I think that it is this same propensity for theological belief in pure fantasy and nonsense that has been used by con artists like Gore and Mann as a route to wealth.
        We have reached a stage at which most folk are completely aware that AGW is a farce, but are afraid to admit it. The herd instinct is strong in the human psyche, and has been used repeatedly in history to advance evil causes. The weapons are mass media dissemination of misinformation and disinformation.

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        Frank

        Gavin, it’s not canny equating science with religion.
        Jo loves appealing to irrelevant authorities like the Institute of Public Affairs and conservative MPs because the sceptics’ evidence doesn’t stand up to scrutiny, hence the existence of thumbsy land.

        (This was your first comment attempt,which could have been much better by addressing what Jo actually talked about) CTS

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          bullocky

          Frank: ‘it’s not canny equating science with religion.’
          -
          We can, ipso facto, equate Frank’s science-free post with religion.

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          Glen Michel

          Lo! Frank emerges from his closet after dining up all week on the finest dry bread and purest spring water .As usual the bot farts and leaves nothing but the smell of ignorance.

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          Ignore Frank. He is just having “a tantie” because bullocky has shown how climate science belief is just another religion.

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            Frank

            RW,
            So whose stuck in this sheltered workshop unable to get any evidence to float ?

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              el gordo

              I’ve been banging on for ages about the huge global warming signal in the Southern Ocean, but this lot just ignore me. Its definitely an echo chamber and peanut gallery, may the force be with you comrade.

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            So whose stuck in this sheltered workshop unable to get any evidence to float.

            Oh, I don’t live here – I just come here to watch the poseurs, like yourself.

            Would you care to lay some more of your supercilious scorn, on the working scientists and engineers (the people who do real math) who, after a hard day at the abacus, come here for some light relief?

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          Frank,

          You are mildly humorous, especially when compared to bovines, who have no sense of humour at all.

          I know that they probably didn’t teach logic, at whatever seminary you attended, but the onus is on those pushing the fear of “Armageddon and the end of days”, to provide repeatable proof, or independently confirmed observations, to prove their point.

          How many people are there, in the western world, who identify with actually being a practicing climate scientist, and actually receive their remuneration for “discoveries”, and “repeatable observations”, in that discipline?

          What percentage would that be, compared to all scientists and academics practicing in the physical sciences, in the western world? (I leave the eastern scientists out of this, because I know that the answer would be zero percent).

          What I am describing here, is the reality. We do not have to “prove” the negative, that there is no man-made influence in climate change, because there are obviously solid particulates in the atmosphere that might not be there, but for us. What you and the self absorbed climate scientists have to do, is to provide repeatable proof that we are having a meaningful and permanent change on the climate, but do so by presenting physical facts, and demonstrating repeatable experiment or observations.

          Good luck.

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            Graeme No.3

            RW: Even ‘true believers ‘ in AGW will hesitate to take up your challenge. Even Frank who obviously has little knowledge of real Science would not dare take you up. The plain fact is that “Climate Change” is a failed hypothesis with no evidence to base itself on. There are already 2, possibly 3 alternative theories that explain the temperature response and changes of the last 3,000 years which “Climate Science” spectacularly fails to do.
            No, Frank and other trolls will confine themselves to remarks boosting their belief that they know better. When the evidence of Global Cooling becomes unavoidable they will try and blame it on CO2. They won’t like the derisive laughter directed at them and will probably never admit they were wrong. Fortunately our gullible politicians will be wary of their manipulation in future and they wil lapse into irrelevance.

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            Frank

            RW,
            You may believe that in this alternative universe but luckily there is only one correct science which rejects your ‘evidence’.
            Stop pretending you’re a bunch of Galieos. The burden of proof is with you.

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          Gavin

          Frank, you are clearly a devout follower of your religion – there’s no need to get upset when the obvious parallels with other religions are pointed out.

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      John Smith

      Words that don’t mix well with with Science …

      accept
      majority
      responsible
      believe
      consensus
      natural
      permanent
      corrected
      unprecedented
      anthropogenic (I hate this made up theological up word)
      And I can’t leave out my pet peeve …
      side effect
      Holy Gaia there are only effects … ‘side effect’ is a marketing term

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        Will Janoschka

        “Holy Gaia there are only effects … ‘side effect’ is a marketing term”

        As is the term “Climate”; a marketing term used by realtors. What is so sad is that so many folk accept that ‘global average temperature’ has some sort of scientific meaning!

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          Actually, when you look at it Will, the phase “global average temperature” has no meaning at all. For one thing, it is time dependent, because all of the readings required to calculate the “average” must be taken at the same relative time in every location, over a 24 hour period.

          Average, is only applicable to linear measurements.

          I have not thought about it in that way before. Thank you Will.

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      Forrest Gardener

      Rereke, perhaps the polled herefords (pun intended) have not thought of the future of their species. Very few would be brought into existence if not for their commercial value.

      Something about Soylent Green comes to mind. The moral as always is not to wish too hard because you might find you don’t really want what you wish for.

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      Rod Stuart

      Perhaps it is time we bovines revolted.

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    The “seen to be doing something” lukewarmers are not reasonable. Reason lies in vigorous opposition to climate alarmism and to the globalist agenda mongers who promote it.

    Important to distinguish between lukewarmers and moderates. Lukewarmers keep the climate scam going for longer while inflicting a slower, more compact class of white elephant on our economies. The ruin they bring is more gradual but more sure than that brought on by old style climate preachers and hucksters like Gore. You can see the hilarity of the Port Kembla Wave Generator or the 2010 drought predictions of David Jones. An RET as permitted/tolerated by so called conservatives and skeptics is a slow working cancer you don’t see. In short, lukewarmers are not an alternative to the climatariat, they are its future.

    A moderate is something else. When it comes to the climatariat I am myself something of a fence-sitter and moderate. I believe we should wipe their ghastly superstition from the face of the earth; however we should spare their lives and we should under no circumstances salt their fields after burning their crops and driving off their cattle. Their future generations should not be cursed, or maybe only the first two, tops.

    Go on and call me soft. I deserve it.

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      Will Janoschka

      You are not only soft, you are squishy. Wipe their ghastly superstition by feeding them feet first into the Asplundh wood chipper, or your Bandit Model 1590! Can the remains as kitty-cat food.

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      el gordo

      ‘When it comes to the climatariat I am myself something of a fence-sitter and moderate.’

      The Klimatariat is a secret society and follow the maxim ….

      “If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.” Orwell

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    toorightmate

    The CO2 horsesh*t has to stop.
    Talks about RET and pricing only complicate a very simple argument – which should not exist.

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    OriginalSteve

    Once someone dies on an operating table in a hospital due to the damage to our power grid the political turkeys in Canberra have created, people will be “hunting” turkeys very quickly.

    As always, the globalists have a rich supply if turkeys ( pollues ) to choose from, so in many ways, doing the public over us a risk free venture, it only falls apart when the public have had enough and jack up. At that stage either the globalists fold and walk away ( unlikely…) , or they invent some “terrorist crisis” and blow something up and kill lots if peopke ( bali bomb v2) so the public forgets while its all crazy and it gets snuck through parliament by cockroaches in each house…..

    You just have to understand how they work…

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    Robert Rosicka

    A vote for any of the major parties or informal will see Shorten or Turdbull win that’s if the Libs don’t do a Rudd , Gillard , in which case it will be Shorten who governs .
    Tony Rabbit stopped an enquiry into BOM and was a slave to the back room masters and Turdbull is no different .
    Every vote the majors don’t get hurts them even though they don’t admit it , vote for whoever you like but the above or green and make sure you know who gets their preference .
    As mad and dysfunctional as they are my vote will go one nation , even if it’s only to send a message .

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      el gordo

      Robert I’m voting informally because the pseudo Marxists Shorten, Turncoat, Joyce and Di Natale have the masses in their pocket. Democracy has failed.

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        OriginalSteve

        Democracy will kick in when people cant heat their homes and children start dying…believe me…..

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          el gordo

          Democracy is already dead when there is no opposition.

          Can it be revived? I have strong doubts.

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      Rod Stuart

      Tony Rabbit stopped an enquiry into BOM

      Incorrect.
      The inquiry was canned by that infamous warmist HUNT AFTER the knifing of Tony Abbott.

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        Robert Rosicka

        I have a response from one of the ministers Barnaby Joyce I think after I sent him an email complaining about what happened at Rutherglen and the enquiry and received a five page essay on how say nothing but fill five pages .
        This was while rabbit was still top dog , I think I kept the letter but not sure so if I find it I will copy the bit of how bom are doing a great job and nothing to see here .

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        Dennis

        Prime Minister Tony Abbott recommended to his cabinet that due diligence be conducted at the BoM by independent auditors following a report requested by the minister responsible, based on climate change weather media releases not matching BoM historic record data, agreeing that errors and omissions had been discovered and that steps were being taken to ensure this was not repeated in the future.

        Obviously, given that Abbott was dumped a few months later, his recommendation for auditing was ignored by the rebel Liberals.

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      PeterPetrum

      Robert, it was Hunt who stopped the BoM inquiry. Abbott may only have let it go through to the keeper.

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        Robert Rosicka

        Just wish I could find the reply and you’re right it was Hunt , but I can’t be 100% sure if it was Barnaby or Hunt , I’ve sent a few and had a few replies over various issues but always get a proforma type of response .

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    Robert Rosicka

    “What he probably has no idea of, is how that small sub branch of science has failed utterly to convince any other branch of it’s central thesis. Surely if climate scientists were right, the first people to recognise that would be meteorologists, followed by engineers, geologists, chemists, etc.”

    Any chemist who believes in CAGW should not have a degree , after all they work with PH values don’t they .

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    TdeF

    The very idea that Carbon dioxide is a pollutant is absolute nonsense. Only three things are required for powering this planet, carbon dioxide, water and sunlight and one of them is a pollutant? This is the fundamental absurdity behind the push against ‘fossil fuels’. All of our lives, our quality of life, our advances in quality of life can be put down to Carbon Dioxide and now it is evil. It would be easier to argue that water is evil.

    Our only hope in Australia is that the Liberal party tosses out the effete pretender Turnbull and adopts a no carbon tax platform. Everyone would vote for this. The massive increase in the cost of electricity and total loss of security is due entirely to government taxes. They are hidden deep in your electricity bills. Our only hope is that Tony Abbott gets back and goes to an election on a pure No Carbon Tax in a Government I lead policy.

    Then privatise the ABC/SBS, CSIRO, BOM and close the endless Climate Change departments. Then get rid of Gonski 2.0 and get some sense back in education, where real Science matters, not Flanneries. Join forces with Trump and fight Fake News, Fake Science. Gore Blimey, it’s Time.

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      Earl

      TdeF.

      It is not hard to convince people that water is evil.
      Just do a YouTube search on di-hydrogen monoxide ,( H2O ) then laugh your socks off.
      The usual gullible, touchy feelly types fall for anything that holds humans as threat to Mother Earth.

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      mal

      Penn and teller (on U Tube) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw did a piece where they went to a Greenie (hippie) gathering and asked the attendees to sign a petition to ban di-hydrogen oxide. They told no lies but just stated it was a chemical that it was everywhere in our environment and food chain. Almost everyone there signed the petition. When eventually they were told m that di hydrogen oxide is water, they were “amazed”. Shows what group think does to a persons mind.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        A significant group refused to accept the chemical term, and claimed that it was just another additive that was present in water.

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      Glen Michel

      Not to mention those submarines. Plus many other unmentionable stuff-ups.

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    pat

    RET? what’s that? here’s our real problem and all sensible people will rush off to get solar and batteries and ABC says we should spare a thought for the poor Aussies who can’t afford to go this route:

    18 Jul: ABC: Power prices: Australia has a gold-plated electricity grid that consumers can’t afford
    By business reporter Phillip Lasker
    The system causes blackouts despite excess capacity
    The international comparisons are staggering.
    The total value of the entire US electricity network, a country of 320 million people, is $US100 billion, while the value of Australia’s network is not far short — $100 billion or $US75 billion.
    “Australia’s gold-plated system is ten times more reliable than it needs to be,” said (Public Interest Advocacy Centre’s Craig) Memery…

    Households have also been short changed by the well-documented war in Canberra over renewable energy and coal.
    The complete lack of long-term policy certainty for investors has led to a shortage of excess energy generation and, therefore, blackouts.
    It has also been responsible for surging electricity prices which have encouraged disillusioned consumers to search for alternatives, including the push towards solar energy, batteries and self sufficiency…

    (Bruce Mountain, director of CME): “The only way to mitigate it and to manage it is to revalue down the network assets to recognise their economic value is much lower than it was before these alternatives existed.”
    Without this action, there is a risk many consumers will disconnect from the grid, leaving fewer households — namely those who can’t afford to disconnect — footing the bill for Australia’s gold-plated, high-cost network…
    “It will take up to 15 years for the established players to respond by writing-down the value of their assets, which should deliver lower prices.”

    Consumers will not be waiting around for that long if they can escape. Spare a thought for those low income households who will be left behind, trapped into supporting a Rolls Royce network.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-18/australian-gold-plated-power-grid/8721566

    who gets interviewed by ABC. always the same old CAGW mob:

    Twitter: Craig Memery: 29 Jun: (excerpt) Words of wisdom from energy minister Don Harwin: Move beyond baseload; DR, RE and storage are key…
    (links to Renew Economy/Giles Parkinson’s “NSW Coalition: Time to move on from notion of “baseload” of 30 June)
    https://twitter.com/craigmemery/status/880649067726073856

    Renew Australia: Bruce Mountain is the Director of consultancy Carbon and Energy Markets and co-founder of energy retail market data and intelligence provider, MarkIntell.

    CME Australia: Our specialisms are in the economics of monopolies and retail markets, and in energy economics issues related to the transition to a low carbon economy…

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      tom0mason

      "18 Jul: ABC: Power prices: Australia has a gold-plated electricity grid that consumers can’t afford
      By business reporter Phillip Lasker"

      MOROCCO
      O hell, what have we here?
      A carrion death, within whose empty eye
      There is a written scroll. I’ll read the writing.

      (reads)
      “All that glisters is not gold—
      Often have you heard that told.
      Many a man his life hath sold
      But my outside to behold.
      Gilded tombs do worms enfold.
      Had you been as wise as bold,
      Young in limbs, in judgment old,
      Your answer had not been inscrolled.
      Fare you well. Your suit is cold—
      Cold, indeed, and labor lost.”


      Then, farewell, heat, and welcome, frost!
      Portia, adieu. I have too grieved a heart
      To take a tedious leave. Thus losers part.

      (MOROCCO exits)

      William Shakespeare ‘The Merchant of Venice’ Act2 Scene 7.

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    pat

    18 Jul: Bolt Blog: SOLAR POWER TRAMS FOR MELBOURNE. GET HOME BY DARK
    The Victorian Government will obviously stop trams from running at night or on cloudy days:

    “Former United States Vice President Al Gore and Minister for Energy, Environment and Climate Change Lily D’Ambrosio launched the plan today after riding on one of Melbourne’s iconic trams which will soon be powered by solar energy (LINK).”

    (Thanks to reader Kirk.)
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/solar-power-trams-for-melbourne-get-home-by-dark/news-story/7d4a3b9ad2536342e83d56954d702e32

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    Dave in the States

    Politicians who are afraid of how the MSM media will define them do not realize that the world has changed. People take what the MSM say with a pinch of salt. If this was not so, then Trump and Brexit could not have happened. But they did. That’s the real world, not the make believe world the MSM has constructed.

    In a similar vein the consensus science on climate no longer has credibility. GISS, NOAA, NASA, BOM, MET, and so forth are not considered authoritative anymore. They have lied, adjusted, manipulated data, pal reviewed, and generally have cried wolf for too long now. The make believe world they constructed did not change reality.

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    David Maddison

    I have said this many times before but we really need to have a Nuremberg style trial for all those complicit in the attempted or actual destruction of Western Civilisation by false claims of “global warming”, it being one of the two methods being used to bring this about. The other, as we all know, is the deliberate importation into civilised countries of some of the world’s most uneducated, unassimilable and violent people.

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      James Bradley

      I had a comment to add to this, Dave, but sometimes it’s just better to let the evidence speak for itself. Bravo.

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      el gordo

      The Nuremberg Defence will stand the test of time, nobody will pay for this crime against humanity. The Precautionary Principle exonerates everyone.

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    Dave of Reedy Creek, Qld

    I am reasonably sure that our PM has followed the path of climate change for acceptance and standing. It doesn’t matter what is true or what many people are now suffering, image is everything to him. Why would he and his have to worry about power price rises, especially the huge salary plus personal wealth. Why would our fake news media and leftist, Marxist, communists worry, it is plain as any history book on the last century that is it their intention to bring the general population down to serfdom and poverty. As I have said in the past, I am a climate atheist, for several reasons; one, that I have studied this for over 10 years from every angle and the trail always is the big money trail for the true believers. Two, the disdain for any other point of view, I always thought scientists were people who questioned everything, now we have collusion, lies, coverups and a blunt refusal to debate any real facts and evidence. Three, multi generational observations of.country people who can far more accurately predict weather that the BOM. Four, have studied a comprehensive weather history of the world of the last 2000 years and saw savage extremes of heat and cold, floods and droughts, the solar and volcanic influences and so the list goes. Thanks to Jo for this great site that helps keep us further informed.

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      clive hoskin

      First goal of bureaucracy: self-preservation
      Translated, it means inserting yourself into people’s lives so you become unsackable.
      In practice, that means tying yourself and your department to new tax or regulatory imposition(s), that governments will be unwilling or unable to dump without major political damage.
      These guys know where their bread is buttered…

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        redress

        clive:

        Rules of Bureaucracy

        Rule 1: Maintain the problem at all costs. The problem is the basis of power, perks, privilages and security.

        Rule 2: Use crisis and perceived crisis to increase power and control.

        Rule 3: Force 11th hour decisions, threaten the loss of options and oppertunities and limit the opposition’s oppertunity to review and critique.

        Rule 4: If there are not enough crises, manufacture them, even from nature where none exist.

        Rule 5: Control the flow and release of information while feigning openness.

        Rule 6: Deny, delay, abfuscate, spin and lie.

        Rule 7: Maximise public relations exposure by creating a cover story that appeals to the universal need to help people.

        Rule 8: Create vested support groups by distributing concentrated bebefits and/or entitlements to those special intrests, while distributing the costs broadly to one’s political opponents.

        Rule 9: Demonise the truth tellers who have the temerity to say “the emperor has no clothes”.

        I am sure there is a Rule 10, but can’t think of one for the moment.

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      mal

      No climate ever tries to explain the ice age that finished about 10000yrs ago when there was 1km of ice where new York city now stands. The sea level was some 65 metres lower . Just an “inconvenient truth”

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    Zigmaster

    I think it is very difficult to implement a proper energy policy federally when all the states are run by AGW disciples. Australian citizens have seen destruction of living standards by green zealots with white elephant desalination plants and increasingly unreliable and expensive electricity failing to doom the current ruling State Labor governments. Part of me thinks if people are so gullible to continue to elect such economic saboteurs they deserve what they get, but part of me despairs at what is happening. As the implications of the global warming myth are staring politicians in the face they seem to be doubling down on their position as if there is now a completion by both sides of government to increase their commitments to the AGW cult to the most fervent levels possible. It’s similar to the USA where States such as California are ready to secede in terms of energy policy. Whether it’s here or in the US unless the people vote out democratically these vandals the damage that they inflict will be difficult to fix. At least in the US Trump represents real hope and clear opposition to the lunacy of the States. In Australia until the Libs replace the head honcho the States remain the main influences over energy policy and our lifestyles will be permanently affected.

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      TdeF

      Agreed, but the massive carbon taxes are Federal and the Federal government is looking at more, say the mooted tax on new cars which will add $5000 to every new car. That was only last week!

      The swamp in Canberra is full of Green zealots who frame legislation and believe you can tax Australians more and more. They are the ones driving this legislation designed increasingly to be hidden from the consumers. The latest one only became news when car dealers received letters announcing it. Only then did the government deny it.

      These are taxes paid after you pay your income taxes, so they are far more punitive on low income families who are otherwise exempt. By far the worst is the RET which does not even go into General Revenue, so it is a money grab from overseas facilitated, aided and abetted by our public servants. Even the politicians seem wilfully ignorant of how it works. It is not just the ABC which is 60% Green, it is the whole of Canberra.

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        Tdef

        Consider the Government’s denial of the latest attempt to tax us for CO2. How did a government department go so far as to be informing car dealers by letter about the new tax while the minister and the parliament were ignorant of it?

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        Dennis

        Volvo of Sweden now Chinese owned recently announced they will stop producing vehicles equipped with conventional power, instead they will offer pure electric or hybrid petrol generator models.

        The decision was based on the soon to come into effect EU Standard on fuel consumption which Volvo believe cannot be achieved with conventional technology.

        No doubt the news about a tax on vehicles here is related to the EU Standard … as I posted above, I suspect the stealth carbon tax will be applied to transportation based fossil fuels.

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          Another Ian

          Dennis

          Somewhere soon after that announcement someone reckoned you could gain the publicity and game the system at the same time by charging a lap top battery in the glove box which was used to drive a very small electric motor attached to the transmission.

          Later comments seem to suggest that isn’t so far from Volvo’s tactics

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    manalive

    The overwhelming majority of climate change scientists accept the atmosphere is warming and humans are responsible …

    Climate Change™ scientists by definition believe that.
    The IPCC attribute ‘almost certainly’ only half the warming since ~1950 (~0.3C) to humans.
    Even if that guess were true it doesn’t imply any necessary policy prescriptions.
    And even if it were necessary to implement energy policy changes, so-called renewables — dead-end technologies — would not be the answer.

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      TdeF

      Why would they deny the key to their jobs, their incomes, their careers? After thirty years of IPCLimateChange, there are thousands of tame scientists who fight to prove Climate Change is real, even if the average resident of this planet cannot see any change.

      Most outrageously, without any scientific explanation at all, the IPCC advocates have adopted an idea that while the world is not warming, the weather is getting worse. Now how is that justified? How does CO2 make weather worse? It is nonsense science. Even Al Gore and Tim Flannery have no explanation for this. They just say it is true. CO2 causes more bushfires, floods and droughts.
      All at the same time?

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        TdeF

        In fact when in South Australia they had a run of clear, crisp, windless winter days it was labelled a ‘wind drought’. Again the cause? Climate Change. So CO2 makes things happen and not happen, heat and cold, wind and no wind, floods and drought. There is no sense of the absurdity of this theme, no embarassment at the lack of any logic or explanation. Climate Change, the gift which keeps on giving. There is no weather even it cannot explain, even the lack of weather!

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          Lionell Griffith

          Since solid evidence and actual science has had little impact upon the green blob’s effort to stop the industrial and technological revolution, I propose using Theosophy to prove their claims are not valid.

          It once was the case that the explanation for everything was that a god or demon did it. Now a rising level of CO2 in the atmosphere explains everything and that man’s use of fossil fuel is causing the rise.

          This is the green blob saying those of us who use fossil fuels are gods or demons. If so, shouldn’t we be able make them go away and stop bothering us simply by wishing it?

          Clearly, we are a very feeble gods or demons. We have been wishing the green blob would go away for several decades. Yet, they are still with us like a biblical pestilence spoiling the land.

          Therefor an increase in CO2 level is equally feeble changing the climate. The rising level of CO2 is irrelevant in its effect on the climate.

          QED.

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      mal

      97.7% of climate scientists (current day Astrologists) believe they wouldn’t have a government or NGO/greenie funded job/career unless they kept publishing the current narrative.
      As Goebells once said, tell a lie often a enough and cloak it with some evidence that supports your narrative, then it becomes the truth (until eventually found out).
      This is called propaganda. It can take a lot of time and pain to overturn such propaganda once it becomes established as main stream doctrine.

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        Bruce J

        Please do not insult astrologists. Climate scientists, social scientists and economists were put on this earth to make astrologists look good, so they are now well above the scrapings at the bottom of the barrel!

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    manalive

    There is furious agreement at the Australian Clean Energy Summit in Sydney, both Barnaby Joyce and Bill Shorten are calling for energy policy ‘certainty’ in order to reduce power prices.
    I’m no expert but any idiot can see that any percentage increase in government mandated wind and/or solar is going to have the opposite effect.

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    Ruairi

    Politicians and the media fed,
    On fake science and climate-change dread,
    Which needs to depart,
    By a stake through the heart,
    And never come back from the dead.

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      mal

      A climate scientist called Jack
      Once said the ice in the Antarctic would crack
      Not because it has always done
      but because CO2 created the fun
      now all greenies moods have turned black.

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    Hanrahan

    I assume the 31,000 skeptical scientists mentioned is a reference to the Oregon Petition. If so it must be remembered that that petition was to the US congress so only US scientists were listed. The late Bob Carter, for example, didn’t sign.
    Another interesting list of skeptical scientists is on desmogblog which has it’s own “rogues gallery”. I have always been amused that a group which proclaims 97% of climate scientists sing from the same hymn-sheet publish such a list of hundreds of those who don’t.

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    John F. Hultquist

    “… aren’t convinced the scientists are correct,

    I’m convinced the scientists I pay attention to are correct.
    I pay little attention to the activists, green kooks, NGOs, clueless politicians, and actresses, filthy rich socialists, any UN type, and their lap-dog “climate scientists.”
    Some might remember learning (maybe a long time ago) of Venn diagrams. Toss out all the names from the climate discussions on a large playing field and start sorting into sets. If the set with this person’s “the scientists” includes any one of Mann, Schmidt, Hansen, Wadhams, Gore, Nye, …, Karl, others of like minds – that’s not a set I would pay attention to.

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    PeterS

    Australia has to decide whether the climate change “story” is real or not. If it’s real then they should vote for Shorten as his policies are better suited to “fixing” the “problem”. If not then they should vote for neither major party. It’s that simple. In reality a vote for either major party is a vote for the destruction of our nation for multiple reasons. The only difference between the two is the speed at which we reach destruction. If anyone really thinks the LNP can be saved by a new leader, forget it. It’s now a dead party with too many self-interested hypocrites and brain dead politicians. To renew the party would require a leader of Menzies proportion if not much greater. There is no one of that caliber in site.

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      PeterS

      .. in sight :-( Haven’t had my coffee yet.

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      GD

      I thought that Josh Frydenberg did an admirable job last night of explaining the Libs’ policy on energy on the Sky News Richo program. Richo made sure to cut him off at the most salient points, but not before Josh got his somewhat censured message across. With a resurrected Tony Abbott as PM, ministers like Frydenberg and Peter Dutton could perform wonders, unrestricted by climate and migration dogma.

      With the help of Andrew Hastie, Craig Kelly, and General Jim Molan if he is selected, the Libs would have a chance with conservative voters.

      Unfortunately, I don’t see that happening so the only option is to vote for conservative strength in the Senate with Cory’s Australian Conservatives, Pauline’s One Nation, and David Lleyonhelm’s quirky Liberal Democrats.
      Having the numbers to countermand a Liberal or Labor government in the Lower House will be crucial after the next election.

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    Craig

    mmmmm……I suspect that anything to do with global warming, climate change, climate disruption is only acceptable at face value as long as johnny public is still able to find a job, clothe and feed the family etc etc. This will change if the climate change line is pushed too far by our pollies and then civil unrest becomes a real issue.

    At this point, the pollies have themselves to blame for not doing due diligence in their portfolios and implementing bad legislation. Personally, I think we a population issue and that’s should be the focus right now.

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      el gordo

      ‘….then civil unrest becomes a real issue.’

      The ABC is the equivalent of China Daily, the masses are under tight control and there is little chance of unrest.

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      el gordo

      Mass immigration is of concern, for its potential to rip the social fabric asunder, but the majors agree we have little choice.

      Climate change hysteria is a form of mass delusion, only imminent global cooling will snap them out of it.

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    Another Ian

    More good news on the wind turbine front?

    “The closing or temporary shutdown of Siemens Canada’s wind turbine blade plant in the Southwestern Ontario town would also raise questions about the fallout from Ontario’s controversial green energy policy.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2017/07/we-dont-need-no-636.html

    Can we expect a hype up in the proclaimed wonders of you-beaut batteries?

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      Dennis

      Heath Robinson
      adjective UK ​ /ˌhiːθ ˈrɒb.ɪn.sən/ US ​ /ˌhiːθ ˈrɑː.bɪn.sən/ uk humorous old-fashioned

      used to describe a machine that is very cleverly made and is complicated in a silly or humorous way, but has no practical use:
      a Heath Robinson contraption

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        Dennis

        I can see the power farm of their future, wind turbines on the hills, solar panels lining the other available spaces, battery banks, maybe a hydro system too ….. and of course a back up diesel generator or three.

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          Another Ian

          Dennis

          “and of course a back up diesel generator or three”

          Going on experience so far the increase rate in diesels might be greater than that of the usual suspects.

          Maybe we’ll see the US Second amendment having an added clause to cover the right to such generators

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    Curious George

    “The company says it will provide career counselling and job placement support for all employees.” So-called “clean” jobs are gone, let’s retrain for real jobs.

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    RickWill

    I have ben looking for updates on the court cases that Michael Man is involved in.

    I happened upon this article from Mark Steyn:
    https://www.steynonline.com/7973/on-the-receiving-end-of-the-hockey-stick

    Professor Chris de Freitas, PhD, of the University of Auckland, died of cancer a few days ago, at the far too early age of 69. I mourn the passing of a respected climate scientist partly for selfish reasons: I noted last year in a filing to the sclerotic and dysfunctional dump that is the DC court system that their inability to expedite Michael E Mann’s case against me (it moves into its second half-decade in a few days’ time) means that key witnesses are dying off.

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    pat

    behind paywall…more control over people’s lives:

    18 Jul: UK Times: Emily Gosden: Electric car chargers could be switched off remotely at peak times
    Electric car chargers could be switched off remotely or turned down by energy companies if owners refuse to use them at off-peak times.

    UK Power Networks, which delivers electricity to 18 million people in London, the southeast and the east of England, is calling for the right to remotely control vehicle charging as a “last resort” to prevent power cuts.
    Forecasts suggest that electric vehicles could increase peak demand far beyond the level that existing power stations can generate and cable networks can transmit…

    To tackle the problem the industry and government plan to encourage “smart charging”, whereby households agree to allow their vehicles to charge automatically at off-peak times when the system can cope.
    Suleman Alli, director of safety and strategy at UK Power…
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/electric-car-chargers-could-be-switched-off-remotely-at-peak-times-svz5zrhhp

    18 Jul: IpswichStarUK: Duncan Brodie: UK Power Networks report sets out future vision for electricity distribution system in East Anglia
    UKPN is Britain’s largest electricity distributor with responsibility for keeping the lights on across East Anglia, London and the South East – an area including 18m people…

    UKPN has now launched a report, called “Future Smart”, as part of a consultation through which it is seeking views from customers and industry experts on how the network needs to develop in order to meet future needs and maintain the security of supply.
    Basil Scarsella, chief executive of UKPN, said: “We are on the verge of a change as significant for electricity as the advent of broadband was for telecommunications.
    “We are working with policy makers, regulators, academia, SMEs and importantly customers to lay the foundations for an exciting future, which will place customers in control of energy usage.”

    The UKPN consultation runs until September 15.
    http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/uk-power-networks-report-sets-out-future-vision-for-electricity-distribution-system-in-east-anglia-1-5110963

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      pat

      PDF: 60 pages: UK Power Networks (UKPN) Consultation Report: Future Smart
      What is driving change?
      Table 1: Change Drivers
      As illustrated in Table 1 below, the changes are being driven by a combination of factors including:
      • Government decarbonisation policies and wider environmental objectives
      • Advances in generation and battery technologies, and rapid cost decreases
      • Advances in digital technologies
      • Innovation funding…

      Government policy:
      Climate Change Act 2008. To reduce the UK’s emissions by at least 80% from 1990 levels by 2050
      Financial support for low carbon generation and heat through the Renewables
      Obligation, Contracts for Differences, Feed-in Tariffs and the Renewable Heat Incentive…
      inancial support for low carbon transport through grants for new EVs, the Plug-in Taxi Grant programme, and exceptions for road taxes and congestion charges..

      Innovation funding:
      Innovation allowances within price controls
      Ofgem’s Low Carbon Networks Fund and Network Innovation Competition
      Government funded research
      http://futuresmart.ukpowernetworks.co.uk/wp-content/themes/ukpnfuturesmart/assets/pdf/FutureSmart-Consultation-Report.pdf

      Basil Scarsella: Chief Executive Officer, UK Power Networks
      Up until 2005, Basil was CEO of ETSA Utilities (SA Power Networks), the electricity distributor in South Australia…ETC
      https://www.energynetworks2016.com.au/speaker/basil-scarsella/

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      Graeme No.3

      pat:
      I would suggest that little Emily’s effusions are less than reliable. She regularly gets the treatment on notalotofpeapleknowthat and euan means. Some hilarity ensues.

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        Graeme No.3

        Sorry, euanmearns.com

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        pat

        Graeme No.3 -

        I take your point; however, I wanted to see what UKPN’s Suleman Alli had to say, to see if he backed up Gosden’s claims. found this bit elsewhere:

        Excerpt: Suleman Alli, director of safety and strategy at UK Power Networks, said he hoped that pricing tariffs would persuade people to charge cars at off-peak times only, but that the company needed the powers to intervene if they did not. “One of our key roles is to keep the lights on,” he said. “If we start to see uncoordinated or uncontrolled charging, that may jeopardise the network security and safety. We need to be able to step in and manage it.” Last week National Grid estimated that unmanaged electric car charging could add 18 gigawatts to peak demand by 2050, equivalent to the power output of six big new nuclear plants similar to Hinkley Point C. Smart charging could reduce this extra demand to six gigawatts, it said.

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    pat

    comment in moderation, first link: 18 Jul: UK Times: Emily Gosden: Electric car chargers could be switched off remotely at peak times

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    Dennis

    Barnaby Joyce at the Clean Energy Conference in Sydney said: to say Coal was bad and renewables good was to fall into a religious perspective that some electrons are apparently more righteous than others … “We believe all electrons are created equal” he said.

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    pat

    problems with renewables:

    17 Jul: Nature: Balancing Europe’s wind-power output through spatial deployment informed by weather regimes
    As wind and solar power provide a growing share of Europe’s electricity, understanding and accommodating their variability on multiple timescales remains a critical problem. On weekly timescales, variability is related to long-lasting weather conditions, called weather regimes, which can cause lulls with a loss of wind power across neighbouring countries.

    Here we show that weather regimes provide a meteorological explanation for multi-day fluctuations in Europe’s wind power and can help guide new deployment pathways that minimize this variability. Mean generation during different regimes currently ranges from 22 GW to 44 GW and is expected to triple by 2030 with current planning strategies.

    However, balancing future wind capacity across regions with contrasting inter-regime behaviour—specifically deploying in the Balkans instead of the North Sea — would almost eliminate these output variations, maintain mean generation, and increase fleet-wide minimum output. Solar photovoltaics could balance low-wind regimes locally, but only by expanding current capacity tenfold.

    New deployment strategies based on an understanding of continent-scale wind patterns and pan-European collaboration could enable a high share of wind energy whilst minimizing the negative impacts of output variability…
    https://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate3338.html

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    pat

    no problems with renewables:

    18 Jul: Reuters: Timothy Gardner: Wind, solar do not harm power grid reliability-draft U.S. study
    The growth of renewable power, including wind and solar, has not harmed the reliability of the U.S. electricity grid, according to a draft U.S. Department of Energy study, echoing the findings of grid operators across the country.

    The conclusion of the draft, dated July and viewed by Reuters, could ease fears in the renewable energy industry that the widely anticipated study would be used by President Donald Trump’s administration to form policies supporting coal plants at the expense of wind and solar.
    “Numerous technical studies for most regions of the nation indicate that significantly higher levels of renewable energy can be integrated without any compromise of system reliability,” the draft says.

    It added that growth of renewables could require the building of more transmission lines, advanced planning, and more flexibility to balance generation and meet demand.
    ***But it said that baseload power – coal and nuclear power – “is not as necessary as it used to be” given advances in grid technology…

    Renewables and natural gas have displaced a slew of coal and nuclear plants in recent years, due to lower prices, environmental regulations and government subsidies. The draft said this is “not yet a problem for grid reliability and resilience – but further study is needed,” to determine ***how much of this “baseload” power can be lost while still ensuring reliability…

    Officials at four grid operators, serving about 133 million customers, agreed renewables do not harm energy security or reliability…READ ON
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-energy-study-idUSKBN1A221U?feedType=RSS&feedName=environmentNews

    the draft report:

    PDF: 142 pages: Thomson Reuters: July 2017: US Dept of Energy: Electric power system, markets and reliability study
    Interim Draft report
    http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/reuterscom/1/32/32/GRID%20Study.pdf

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    Drapetomania

    “majority of climate change scientists accept the atmosphere is warming and humans are responsible.”

    There is no such thing as a “climate change scientist” FFS..
    Second porkie…we know the atmosphere is slightly warming..it probably has been for about 10K years.
    Third porkie..no scientist has ever suggested ALL atmospheric warming is caused by humans..
    So..yes..humans are responsible..for some of it..
    What a mendacious pile of obfuscation…
    Anyway..the fossil fuel using (filthy mindless hypocrites that they are) virtue signallers won.
    Orwell was right..we are doomed..

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    pat

    what to say?

    19 Jul: RenewEconomy: Press release: Leaders’ pledge to galvanise renewable energy leaders to champion gender diversity
    by Clean Energy Council
    The Women in Renewables Leaders’ Pledge was officially launched today during the Australian Clean Energy Summit in Sydney.
    Some senior members of the energy industry have already signed the Leaders’ Pledge and made supportive statements as follows:

    Geoff Culbert, GE: “Meeting Australia’s biggest challenges like energy will require creativity and collaboration from diverse teams. It’s imperative that we take action to balance gender diversity and inclusion across the industry.”

    Steve Davy, Hydro Tasmania: “There is no place in the modern energy sector for boys’ clubs, I am committed to creating fair work environments.”…

    Michael Thorpe, Commonwealth Bank of Australia: “We are pleased to support the Clean Energy Council’s Women in Renewables Leaders’ Pledge, and actively demonstrate our leadership when driving gender diversity in our industry and across the bank. Diversity and inclusion is an essential part of Commonwealth Bank’s vision and culture, and we are proud to be an Employer of Choice for Gender Equality as recognised by WGEA.”…ETC
    http://reneweconomy.com.au/leaders-pledge-galvanise-renewable-energy-leaders-champion-gender-diversity-99176/

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    Robert Rosicka

    Wonder what it would cost for a class action to take the state of Victoriastan to court over the alleged dangerous global warming claim and resulting policies that are wasting taxpayer dollars and putting our power supply at risk for a graudulent ideology .

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    pat

    18 Jul: Nature: Climate scientists flock to France’s call
    President said ‘Make Our Planet Great Again’ — and researchers signed up.
    by Declan Butler
    Hundreds of climate scientists, including many from the United States, have applied to work in France under a €60-million (US$69-million) scheme set up by the country’s president, Emmanuel Macron, after his US counterpart Donald Trump rejected the Paris accord on global warming. And Germany has announced that it will set up a similar programme to lure researchers.

    Macron launched his ‘Make Our Planet Great Again’ initiative on 8 June, seeking to entice researchers in other countries to France with offers of 4-year grants worth up to €1.5 million. Six weeks on, the programme has been flooded with applicants, says Anne Peyroche, a biologist and the chief research officer of the CNRS, France’s national basic-research agency.

    “Applications continue to come in every hour,” she says. Most applied for relatively short sabbaticals in France, but the 154 scientists attracted by longer-term stays of four years or more are of most interest to the initiative’s organizers, Peyroche says. France is also headhunting some top climate scientists individually, she adds. The scheme will shortlist as many as 80 scientists by mid-September, with 50 or so winners to be announced around the end of November.

    One applicant is Ashley Ballantyne, a bioclimatologist at the University of Montana in Missoula. His proposal involves laying the foundation for a global integrated carbon-observing network, combining satellite and atmospheric data to seek insights into how ecosystems respond to climate change. “There are very few funding opportunities in the United States that promote research on carbon–climate interactions at the global scale, so the fact this programme was looking for visionary thinking was appealing,” he says…

    The French offer is a “very attractive proposition for many scientists in the US”, says Kim Cobb, a palaeoclimatologist at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta. US climate science is under pressure, she adds: scientists are waiting to hear whether Congress will approve Trump’s proposed drastic cuts to the field. Cobb says that, were she not a tenured scientist working in an exceptional research environment, she would be “jumping at the opportunity” to work in France…READ ON
    https://www.nature.com/news/climate-scientists-flock-to-france-s-call-1.22318

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      Enticing foreign workers with offers of long-term, revenue-negative, cost-generating employment worth up to €1.5 million? That’s as ingenious as waging adventurist wars, making colossal arms sales, then deliberately swamping Europe with military age African males (but calling them Syrians and children, because who checks anyway?).

      As a French leader of brilliance Macron is going to be ranked with Charles the Mad, Charles X…and Francois Hollande.

      They should start recycling these Bildervos appointees rather than constantly training new ones. There’d be Emmanuel Turnbull, Malcolm Macron, Angela Baird, Tony Merkel, Barack Blair, Hillary Poroshenko, Chelsea Poroshenko…

      Never mind the accent, feel the globalism.

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      Curious George

      How much should we pay Dr. Mann to move to France?

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    pat

    18 Jul: Washington Times: Valerie Richardson: Macron climate pitch to Trump earning skepticism
    Still, Myron Ebell of the Trump environmental transition team said he wouldn’t advise anyone to hold their breath waiting for the White House to re-enter the nonbinding pact…
    Benny Peiser, director of the climate change-skeptical Global Warming Policy Forum in London, said Mr. Macron’s claim “has been both overhyped and misinterpreted by the news media.”
    “In reality, it would appear that President Trump may have swayed Macron to change his position on the UN climate deal,” said Mr. Peiser in an email…

    “In short, my assessment is that President Macron may be preparing the ground for giving up the EU’s rejectionist position about the Paris agreement,” said Mr. Peiser. “After all, this, I believe, is the only likely option to bring back the U.S. administration to the negotiating table — and even this scenario looks more like a utopian dream at the present time.”…

    Climate Depot’s Marc Morano said that there will never be a reason for the Trump administration to rejoin as long as the premise remains that “only a U.N. central planning agreement can save humanity.”

    “President Trump can use his negotiation charm to dangle the prospect of a renegotiated deal, but it is very clear that the U.S. is out and will stay out under his presidency,” Mr. Morano said in an email.

    Climate Progress editor Joe Romm was also a skeptic, at least when it came to any chance of Mr. Trump re-entering the pact…
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/18/paris-climate-deal-exit-by-trump-reversible-french/

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    Another Ian

    O/T for TonyinOz

    Tony

    http://anero.id/energy/wind-energy

    seems to be stuck on Monday 12:40 EST

    No coloured windmills either

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    pat

    ***”clearly recognised” by Bloomberg, Ross Garnaut and Giles!

    19 Jul: RenewEconomy: Giles Parkinson: Base-cost renewables: When wind and solar finally kill coal
    It is now ***clearly recognised, away from the imaginary world of the fossil fuel lobby, that the cheapest form of new generation in Australia – and most other places in the world – is wind and solar, and certainly not coal and gas (or nuclear)…
    Recently, Bloomberg New Energy Finance predicted that the cost of new wind and solar would soon beat the cost of refurbished coal plants…
    Now BNEF predicts that solar will beat the cost of existing, fully depreciated and unrefurbished coal plants by 2032. And wind will follow soon after.

    BNEF’s senior analyst in Australia Kobad Bhavnagri: “At that point it will be cheaper to build solar than it is to shovel coal into fully depreciated coal-fired power station.
    “That is going to be a critical changing point in energy economics. It is one that was previously unthinkable, it was on no one’s horizon.”

    And this is a prediction that will affect not just Australia. It will occur in just about every country in the world, including in China, also in the 2030s, with a stunning impact in energy markets across the globe.
    The result of this, Bhavnagri says, will be a shift from the concept of “baseload” to a new concept that BNEF describes as “base-cost renewables.”…
    “We are heading towards a completely different operating paradigm one,” Bhavnagri says…

    This will have significant benefits to Australia, because as Ross Garnaut has predicted, Australia’s excellent wind and solar resources will mean that it will regain its position as the country with the cheapest cost of energy, which will be a plus for its manufacturing.
    “Australia will match China and India in having the lowest cost renewables,” Bhavnagri says. “Australia will again become a focus for heavy industry and energy intensive industry…
    http://reneweconomy.com.au/base-cost-renewables-when-wind-and-solar-finally-kill-coal-72324/

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    pat

    some straight talkin’ from The Guardian:

    18 Jul: Guardian: Adam Vaughan: Let buyers borrow more on greener homes, urges report
    Making energy ratings a factor in mortgage offers could let people borrow up to £11,500 more, says Lenders group
    Homebuyers could take out bigger mortgages if the energy ratings of properties were factored into the lending criteria of banks and building societies, government-funded research has found…

    However, if the A-G rating of the EPC was part of the calculation it would allow people to borrow £4,000 more in many cases and up to £11,500 in extreme ones, according to analysis by the Nationwide Building Society, Arup and building groups…

    Even if buyers did not borrow the extra money, they would be attracted by the ***“perception of value” implied by the higher limits, the research said…

    Making the proposal a reality would provide a major boost for the insulation and building industry…
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/18/homebuyers-energy-ratings-mortgage-lenders-group?CMP=twt_a-environment_b-gdneco

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    pat

    wouldn’t you know…

    19 Jul: Guardian: Michael Slezak: Third-hottest June puts 2017 on track to make hat-trick of hottest years
    June 2017 was beaten only by June in 2015 and 2016, leaving experts with little hope for limiting warming to 1.5C or even 2C
    Last month was the third-hottest June on record globally, temperature data SUGGEST, confirming 2017 will almost certainly make a hat-trick of annual climate records, with 2015, 2016 and 2017 being the three hottest years since records began…

    The figures also cement estimations that warming is now at levels not seen for 115,000 years, and leave some experts with little hope for limiting warming to 1.5C or even 2C…
    The data line up closely with Nasa figures released last week, which are calculated slightly differently, finding the month was the fourth-hottest on record – with June 1998 also being warmer in their data set…

    Last year, Michael Mann from Pennsylvania State University published a paper showing the then-record temperatures in 2014 would have had less than a one in a million chance of occurring naturally.
    “We have a follow-up article that we’ve submitted showing that the likelihood of three consecutive record-breaking years such as we saw in 2015-2017 was similarly unlikely,” he told the Guardian over email. “In short, we can only explain the onslaught of record warm years by accounting for human-caused warming of the planet.”…

    Andy Pitman from the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia said the onslaught of very rapid warming in the past few years is likely a result of the climate system “catching up” after a period of relative slow warming caused by natural variability – the so-called “hiatus”.
    “I do not think the recent anomalies change anything from a science perspective,” he said. “The Earth is warming at about the long-term rates that were expected and predicted [by models].”…
    “It would be a good idea to cut greenhouse gas emissions rather faster than we are.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/19/third-hottest-june-puts-2017-on-track-to-make-trifecta-of-hottest-years

    speaking about yourself and ***”yours”, John Abraham.
    definitely not worth reading:

    17 Jul: Guardian: John Abraham: Surrendering to fear brought us climate change denial and President Trump
    I propose that people take indefensible positions like climate denial and Trump support simply out of fear.
    (FINAL LINE) It doesn’t mean that they are bad people or immoral in any way. Rather, it tells me that their brain handles fear differently than mine and ***yours.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/jul/17/surrendering-to-fear-brought-us-climate-change-denial-and-president-trump

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    Gowest

    I see lots of kryptonite for govts of all stripes;
    Govt buildings have large solar panel arrays on the roof etc – eventually Activists will realize that the govt get their power for free and they have to pay top dollar for the power they send their way from those solar panels. The same goes for churches, mosques etc etc.
    When the power goes out and the only houses in the street still on are the ones with batteries. etc etc.

    In the long term the global warming profit industry is creating a them and us factor and this is going to cause conflict between the haves and the have nots.

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    pat

    for the comments:

    19 Jul: Guido Fawkes: BBC Salaries Revealed
    https://order-order.com/2017/07/19/bbc-salaries-revealed/

    for Hall’s quote:

    19 Jul: Variety: Stewart Clarke: BBC Reveals Stars’ Salaries Amid Controversy Over Pay for Women
    (BBC Director General Tony) Hall has also said that paying competitive salaries is imperative for the BBC to continue to attract top-flight talent.
    “The BBC produces some of the nation’s most-loved television and radio and the MOST TRUSTED NEWS while operating in a competitive market with the likes of Sky, ITV, Netflix and Amazon,” he told reporters Wednesday. “It is widely acknowledged that on the whole the BBC pays less than its competitors while delivering high-quality and award winning content.”…
    http://variety.com/2017/tv/global/bbc-reveals-stars-salaries-controversy-pay-gender-women-1202499715/

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    pat

    17 Jul: EnergyTransition.org: Germany’s worse-case scenario in the power sector
    by Craig Morris
    What can be done when it is dark (no solar power) and there is no wind either, but power demand is high? German analysts took a look at the worst combination in recent history – from 2006 – and found a way to bridge the gap. But is it affordable? Craig Morris’ main takeaway: The Germans know the Energiewende’s weak spot, and they have modeled it, modeled it, modeled it…READ ON
    https://energytransition.org/2017/07/germanys-worse-case-scenario-in-the-power-sector/

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    Ned Nikolov

    A new CLIMATE-SCIENCE PARADIGM is here! A recently published study by Nikolov and Zeller (2017) exposes a deep misconception about the nature of the so-called “Natural Greenhouse Effect” with fundamental implication for current climate theory and climate model projections. For the fist time in 190 years, we now have a solid empirical evidence that “greenhouse gases” do NOT control planetary climates including Earth’s climate. CO2 is innocent!

    See also

    NEW PARADIGM: ⚡️ “Foundations of Climate Theory Challenged by New Research” by @NikolovSciencehttps://t.co/IdDrJwumFy— Ned Nikolov, Ph.D. (@NikolovScience) July 19, 2017

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      Curious George

      Ned, I applaud your attempt to create an alternative theory. As an ex-physicist, I wonder why you calculate an ill-defined “Global mean annual near-surface temperature” – probably because that’s what alarmists always raise panic about. Also, why you use as an input an even more imaginary “the planet’s mean surface temperature in the absence of an atmosphere”. This again follows the logic of an alarmist’s scaremongering. My basic objection is that while a “mean temperature” is a useful mathematical construct, is has no direct physical meaning, and a limited biological meaning. You are reactive, not pro-active.

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        Ned Nikolov

        Dear George,

        The mean global surface temperature of a planet is NOT a meaningless construct! Since temperature is linearly related to the kinetic energy of a gaseous system (according to the Gas Law), the average near-surface temperature is a measure of the average kinetic energy contained in the lower troposphere of a planet. Because kinetic energy drives the climate system, the average temperature is an accurate marker of the “power” of the climate system.

        As for the Tna temperature used in our analysis, it must be understood that one needs a reference, against which to assess the thermal effect of a planetary atmosphere. If you want the evaluate a planet’s Atmospheric Thermal Effect (ATE) currently known as the strength of the Greenhouse effect, you need to know the planet’s temperature without an atmosphere. Otherwise, you can’t quantify ATE, can you?

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    Kratoklastes

    The overwhelming majority of climate change scientists accept the atmosphere is warming and humans are responsible.

    And in other news,
    the overwhelming majority of people who have not outgrown childish fantasies accept that there is [SNIP]ED.
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    the overwhelming majority of academics accept that the earth is the centre of the universe;
    the overwhelming majority of surgeons accept that the practice of hand-washing prior to surgery serves no health-related purpose;
    the overwhelming majority of medical practitioners accept that cholera is transmitted through a miasma that rises out of the earth.

    Overwhelming majorities are a sign of orthodoxy, whereas all social and technological progress in human history has been generated by heretics: the most orthodox place in the world is a graveyard.

    (Could you leave out the religious stuff,especially the first paragraph,can’t approve this as it is) CTS

    [agree and as I snipped it is cleared] ED

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    Bruce

    Thank you Jo, I am beginning to become aware of the fact that the effects of group climate delusion, is not a laughing matter, but an culture destroying contagion.

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