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    Rape crisis in Sweden apparently caused by global warming …

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-11/expert-says-rising-rapes-sweden-due-global-warming-not-soaring-muslim-immigation

    Pointman

    ps. Some real unthreaded – Mister Gunn & The Pistol Packin’ Mamas

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEmU3E8rras

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      Yonniestone

      Oh that’s a relief, the other problem should be manageable as long as the Swedish government don’t take away their candles and teddy bears.

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        Look it stands to reason
        not too many rapes in the park
        in an ice age – or when Summer
        temperatures plummet towards zero,
        everyone indoors or muffled in furs.

        Yer hafta’ blame it on greenhouse!

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      Another Ian

      The expression “from the sublime to the bloody ridiculous” springs to mind

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    Annie

    Gosh Jo! So much to catch up on from the last eight or nine days! My first action was to catch up on the basic threads and then flick back to find what Ruairi might have posted. His latest limericks are wonderful. Now to catch up with at least some of the comments on each thread.

    BTW, it’s hot here in Dubai. I believe that’s not unusual here in the Gulf in August! I remember being pretty stifled in Abu Dhabi in late July 1969, especially when there was a blackout and no AC…yuk! You’d think it had never happened before from some of the articles in the Gulf News, etc.

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    Leo Morgan

    I think other readers will be interested in Trump’s energy policy.
    Hitting the highlights in this article, he proposes to repeal Obama’s energy policies, and repudiate Paris agreement.

    http://snip.ly/pemsw?utm_content=buffercef69&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer#http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/290754-trump-pledges-to-unleash-an-energy-revolution

    Actually, reading other people’s opinions of what Trump says has often been a stupid policy. Here’s what Trump says himself: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/economic-vision
    To be honest, I think the newspaper article says it better and clearer. The fact it’s so antagonising to the irrational among the Greens is a good part of what makes it better :)

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      Roy Hogue

      The media is no friend of Donald Trump. I have no end of trouble figuring out what, among all the things he’s said to have said, is the truth.

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        Manfred

        The media is no friend of Donald Trump. I have no end of trouble figuring out what, among all the things he’s said to have said, is the truth. Roy Hogue #3.1

        As we all know, the MSM of almost of all persuasions, colours, nationalities and nuances make no pretense whatsoever at concealing their bias when pointing their lenses, microphones and pages at Trump (or ‘climate change’ , the UN, IPCC, WHO et al.). The observed range of Progressive infection covers a spectrum of symptoms from mild malaise with a raised temperature to the galloping consumption of a terminal condition. It is required that the MSM maintain its Orwellian coherence with the Institutions of the Moment. And so it is as Roy points out, troublesome to garner an accurate reportage of what Trump has said or is doing. However, as those here likely know well, the problem of MSM bias becomes considerably easier to manage when one applies similar critical criteria as one habitually does when considering the MSM on ‘climate change’. The MSM is a soapbox by definition, and unless one has a penchant for reading propaganda, it should be avoided, much as one does a rabid dog.

        On a recent trip to the UK I was stunned to listen to a young, well educated reporter air his political biases in a manner that precluded any chance of him ever generating a coherent, bias free report about anything. The degree level inculcation and abject loathing of all things other than Progressive was self-evident and transparent for all to approve.

        The transparency of the attitude appears here and is summed up quite well :

        The age of Obama did not create the bias of the media, but it is characterized by the abandonment of all shame at that bias. Indeed, bias no longer exists as a journalistic notion. It has been replaced by the concept of social awareness or progressive solidarity establishing what is true and worthy of being reported.

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          Roy Hogue

          Manfred,

          That was a good read, illuminating for its clarity about the situation.

          I keep wondering how a man as left wing biased as the late Walter Cronkite managed to hide his bias so well in his daily reporting on the CBS Evening News. But I keep remembering that commentary from a reporter just wasn’t seen in those days and neither was promoting the sensational next item to be reported just to keep the audience tuned in through endless minutes of commercials. Cronkite had a half hour in those days and now we get 2 hours on some stations. And they fill the time with such important things as who shot who, who robbed who and never do I see any good news unless it’s something really outstanding and they can’t avoid reporting it. And I hardly ever see national news. So I think the environment in which he worked was different and has changed since then. I know that I no longer recognize local news broadcasts because they are so different from the past.

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Roy.

        Last week Trump accused Obama of being the founder of ISIS, with Hillary involved. It hasn’t borne a mention here that I have seen except maybe a bit on TV, and the media there have been waffling around it.

        I know a man I regard as reliable who has been quite adamant since the invasion of Mosul that ISIS was set up by the Americans.

        And I remember myself that when ISIS invaded Mosul, they were not recognised as enemies until they had entered the city and defence was impossible because they were driving American supplied vehicles.

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          Roy Hogue

          Ted,

          Donald Trump may, in some sense, be correct about Obama and Hillary being the founders of ISIS. But I do seriously doubt that there was any intent by American forces or the American Government to set up such an organization. On the other hand, it’s quite clear that Obama and his henchmen in nearly every branch of government do favor Islam very much. They favor the radical kind, Obama is not happy that the Egyptians managed to toss out the hardliner Morsi and put in a more representative government actually trying to be responsive to the Egyptian people. And by both word and deed it can be said that Obama at least set the stage for ISIS to become a force to be reckoned with. Does that make him the founder? I would never say that, even if it were really true. Sometimes keeping your mouth shut is good politics.

          Trump is a very bad arguer for his cause. I have been saying for a long time that he isn’t suitable presidential material, even in spite of his success in business. Knowing what’s wrong in America and around the world and success in business do not qualify anyone to be a leader. Leadership is a whole other playground and Trump doesn’t even know where to find it, much less how get into the game. The Donald hasn’t shown himself to be a leader at all. He doesn’t inspire confidence as Ronald Reagan did. He panders to voter anger and makes off the wall remarks he soon regrets. Can I call him a fool? ISIS aside, how in this world will Donald Trump be trusted by our allies or feared by our enemies? How can he be trusted by Americans? Then add ISIS back into the equation and it becomes worse.

          Nevertheless he’s the guy opposing Hillary Clinton and I cannot see him doing worse than Hillary will do so I must vote for him. But frankly I think the voters have committed national suicide — both parties. We have a choice between the proverbial devil and the deep blue sea. Neither looks good to me.

          In the meantime, there’s a lot of bluster, exaggeration and probably lying about Trump, so much in fact that I have tried to avoid it. Frankly, old Star Trek reruns on Netflix are more edifying to watch than this continual childish battle for the mind, the heart and the soul of my country. I know for whom I must vote and they can leave me alone until November 8 when I will make my voice heard.

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            Ted O'Brien.

            What I saw was a terrible error of judgement in choosing who was to fill the power vacuum after the Americans left.

            My informant is no mug, he is a scholar, in regular contact with people in Iraq. He didn’t nominate personalities, just “The Americans”. He didn’t offer further discussion, giving me the impression that for him it was beneath disgust, off the scale.

            Meanwhile, you would be aware I am sure of unusual political developments here. Free speech has been under severe pressure for some time, including on the AGW issue, and resistance to the regulations is building rapidly. We have a marvellous cartoonist, Bill Leak, who is published daily in The Australian. One of Australia’s biggest social problems is the condition that some of our indigenous people are found in, including a disturbingly high rate of imprisonment. A couple of weeks back the Marxist ABC ran a story about ill treatment of juvenile prisoners in Darwin, using footage from 2010. This caused as much sanctimonious uproar as if it happened yesterday. Bill Leak ran a very good cartoon, highlighting the fact that these difficult kids came from badly broken homes. After taking a few days, presumably to count the dollars they expect to get out of it, the usual suspects (Individuals and government agencies) brought down all the force the law can muster on Bill and his employer The Australian. (News Ltd). So the fight is on. News and Bill are currently on the wrong end of the law, but it is a bad law, and I hope very much to see it fail under the approaching pressure.

            Meanwhile, to add to the fun, Senator David Lleyonhelm, an intelligent man who is a bit like Pauline Hanson except he has a university education and a proper one at that, for his criticism of this attack on free speech was written up in the leftist Fairfax press as “an angry white male”. So David, may God bless him, has brought an action under the same set of racial offence rules against Fairfax and the female journalist who wrote the story. He declared, rightly, that although he is not really offended, under this law offence does not have to be taken, giving offence is the crime.

            So, whatever may be wrong, we are indeed living in interesting times.

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    Lucky

    There was a time when government agencies had a reputation for stodgy correctness, accuracy and proper conduct. Then we had the Bureau of Meteorology ‘normalization’ of data to produce an inexorable rising trend. There was the ‘experts’ report’ conducted by BoM that said the process was not documented but it was (of course) ok.
    Some of us thought an independent audit by the Australian Bureau of Statistics would be useful – another illusion shattered.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Thought for the day:

      Information is power – to gain power, you first need to corrupt the information, so only you know the truth.

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      Dennis

      As you would know there was an internal audit and when the minister tabled it in the cabinet Prime Minister Abbott called for an independent audit (due diligence) to be conducted, but he was unable to get the majority of cabinet ministers to agree.

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    James Murphy

    Are The Greens in support, or against making natural disasters happen, in order to preserve their perception of the “natural order” of things?

    For example, take the claims that some areas of the world are ‘overdue’ for massive earthquakes. the Hayward fault in California is one example, with an average of 138 years between large earthquakes.

    It has now been 148 years since a major quake (1868, magnitude estimated at 6.8) on that fault, so surely something needs to be done in order to preserve natural processes? A tax, perhaps…?

    (actually the USGS says there is evidence for 12 earthquakes on the Hayward fault in the last 1900 years, with only the last 5 yielding what would, to the untrained (unscientific) eye, look like a ‘regular’ events between 95 and 160 years apart, and an average of 138 years, but why bring facts into it?)

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Living, as I do, on the edge of a supposedly extinct volcano, in a country that still has a dozen or so active volcanos, and experiences earthquakes at the rate of at least one per day, I would say that the natural order of things was trotting along quite nicely thank you. We do not therefore, need any more Greens.

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        James Murphy

        Don’t worry, I was not offering any Greens, nor any earthquakes or volcanos – mainly as I do not have any to sell. My earthquake machine needs more parts from Meccano.

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          ROM

          Green maidens, we won’t bother with the “virgin” bit as that class of Green Maidens might be a bit hard to find, might do an even better job of mitigating volcanic disasters than just Maidens, virgin or otherwise.

          Although the Green maidens have been very active of late and we haven’t experienced any really major natural volcanic disasters over the last few years so just having them around must be depressing volcanic activity and just about everything else as well.

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        Yonniestone

        ‘We do not therefore, need any more Greens.’

        May I suggest throwing them into an active volcano, along with any other rotting vegetation, the carbon cycle is simply accelerated.

        R W a big thank you to your country for giving us ‘The hunt for the Wilderpeople’ we loved it. :)

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          Yonnie,

          We can’t just go throwing Greens into an active volcano at random. Some of them wash quite regularly, and the soap residue might polute the magma. You’ve got to think about the environemnt.

          I am glad you liked ‘The Hunt for the Wilderpeople’. I had no involvement in it, whatsoever, which is probably why it is so good.

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      Rick Will

      10% probability of a magnitude 7 earthquake in southern California/Northern Mexico in the next 12 months. :
      http://www.openhazards.com/viewer
      Probability increases to 60% if timeframe is 3 years.

      Next super moon is 14th November so second week of November would have a slightly higher probability than the weeks prior to that.

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    tom0mason

    Jo,

    Do you have a secure (https://joannenova.com.au/) as well as this plain http: version?

    If so I find that I am unable to login to it but I am able to login to other secure sites.

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      ROM

      I am up for a new Mac as my near decade old perfectly adequate for my purposes iMac can no longer access an increasing number of sites including WUWT, Climate etc, Climate audit plus a number of news sites, plus many of the reference sites I use due to an increasing number of sites going to the latest “https:/” secure internet protocols.

      Some of the earlier “https;/” protocol sites I can for some reason still access quite readily.
      I believe the https; was upgraded not so long ago which is possibly why I can still access the older secure sites.

      Unfortunately I can no longer upgrade my old Mac with a late enough version of OSX to be able to access these secure sites.

      Frustration at lack of access and lack of dollars to fix it reign supreme at times around here.

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        tom0mason

        Thanks ROM,
        What I’d like to know is has this site got a https:// address as well as the http:// . That way I could localize any problem to either my equipment/software or elsewhere.
        As my PC is so slow it’s hard to tell with the error message I get what is wrong. Maybe my aggressive advert and script filtering needs adjusting. I don’t know.

        I’m using Linux and have tried 3 different browsers (Qupzilla, Firefox, and Linux version of the google browser Chromium) on https://joannenova.com.au/ but they all fail. I’ll assume that the address does not exist.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        The nice thing about Linux is that I can run it on truly old equipment (a Pentium III in one box, and a Core Duo 32 bit in another) and keep it be up-to-date. Sure they’re slow very slow but it is what I can afford, and it’s fun keeping the old boxes running.
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        I’m not recommending this but you may wish to look at this –
        http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-boot-a-linux-live-usb-stick-on-your-mac/

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      Tom, ROM, probably I should email you, and if any commenter here is an expert on the https transformation, please speak up now.

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    thanks, aussies, keep those Aussie taxpayer multi $millions flowing into the US democratic coffers u’all so nice to Hillary

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    handjive

    If ever an opportunity presented to raise world awareness about the failure of 97% science existed, this is it.

    2009: Global warming could make 2016 Games ‘the last Olympics in the history of mankind’, says Tokyo governor

    “Global warming is getting worse. We have to come up with measures without which Olympic Games could not last long.

    “Scientists have said we have passed the point of no return,” said Ishihara.
    ~ ~ ~
    Obviously it is not the last Olympic games.

    The world is watching, where are the journalist questions? Where is the accountability?

    What ‘scientists’ said “We have passed the point of no return” and what science were they quoting?

    Now, August 2016, and we are told;

    “A sobering new study shows that by the 2084 Olympics, rising temperatures will make it practically impossible for most cities to host the summer games.
    ~ ~ ~
    What a monumental Olympic size failure of 97% ‘science’.

    What is the ‘science’ and data behind this new study?
    Did they show why the previous 97% ‘science’ prediction had failed?
    If not, why not?
    Why should anyone take this new result seriously?
    ~ ~ ~
    But, the government funded 97% scientists are allowed to get away with this failed scaremongering. Others not so lucky:

    2011: Man fined for dud doomsday warning

    “Wang Chao-hung, better known as “Teacher Wang”, stirred up a media frenzy after he “predicted” a giant quake and tsunami would hit Taiwan on May 11, urging people to move into makeshift shelters converted from cargo containers.

    Mr Wang later claimed that his remarks were misinterpreted by journalists when the catastrophe failed to materialise, but he was convicted by a district court in Nantou, central Taiwan, of spreading socially disruptive rumours.”
    . . .
    This is a unique opportunity to press home a 97% own goal with the eyes of the world looking. If only we could.

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    tom0mason

    It’s summer in Europe as you can tell by NOAA’s graphic for last week –

    http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/regional_monitoring/wctan1.png

    Must be the hottest month evaaahhh!

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    clipe

    Anyone know who killed Weatherpixie?

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    Dennis

    There is evidence and commentary being published regarding Australian taxpayer’s monies being gifted to the US Clinton Foundation, please scroll through this website as there is a lot to see;

    http://www.michaelsmithnews.com

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    el gordo

    Craig forget the escalator, the pause is real.

    ‘After almost two decades of dispute over its existence, the pause in the rise of global surface temperatures that began in 1998 finally has worked its way to the forefront of climate change research.

    ‘The consensus position now is that the slowdown is real and that much more needs to be known about the natural forces causing it.

    ‘These cycles include the one responsible for the fact the widely claimed Antarctic Peninsula hot spot has been cooling, not warming, since the turn of the century, supposedly unrelated to the pause.’

    Graham Lloyd / Oz

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    Neville

    The giant SunEdison solar company is about to go belly up. Over the last couple of years it has lost about 95% of it’s value.
    And yet Labor and the Greens parties would inflict more of this stupidity on OZ taxpayers. And of course have SFA impact on temp or climate by 2040 or 2100 or ??? Will they ever wake up?

    http://www.thegwpf.com/another-hopelessly-insolvent-solar-company-on-verge-of-extinction/

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    Griffo

    It was heartening to read the poll results from the USA 12 August Jo Nova,most people do not want to see prosecutions for “climate denial”,Hillary Clinton may have other ideas. We have a lot work to do in Australia when you think that almost half the population vote Labor or for the Greens and I would suspect a majority of Australians buy the alarm scam,being misinformed by the ABC,Fairfax newspapers and various TV networks.

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      Another Ian

      Mid 1970′s Texas sniping

      “How did a mid-westener get mis-informed? By reading the Readers Digest”

      “How does a mid-westener stay mis-informed? Keeps reading the Readers Digest”.

      Applicable with appropriate updates here IMO.

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    el gordo

    On a previous thread Andy said ‘there is actually no reason to reject either hypothesis.’

    God created a multiverse for humanity, which sort of puts Darwin in the shade, but there is always the third way.

    Concentrating on the Milky Way there must be at least half a dozen other intelligent life forms living within the habitable zones around stars. You can see where this is going so we might as well get to the chase, our ancestors developed a larger brain with the help of 30 extra genes and the Garden of Eden came alive.

    The closure of the Central American Seaway may have been the catalyst, which would support the idea of natural selection over the deity theory.

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    pat

    very lengthy but well worth a read; clean energy/solar makes appearances:

    7 Aug: NYT: How Think Tanks Amplify Corporate America’s Influence
    Think tanks are seen as independent, but their scholars often push donors’ agendas, amplifying a culture of corporate influence in Washington.
    By ERIC LIPTON and BROOKE WILLIAMS
    Thousands of pages of internal memos and confidential correspondence between Brookings and other donors — like JPMorgan Chase, the nation’s largest bank; K.K.R., the global investment firm; Microsoft, the software giant; and Hitachi, the Japanese conglomerate — show that financial support often came with assurances from Brookings that it would provide “donation benefits,” including setting up events featuring corporate executives with government officials, according to documents obtained by The New York Times and the New England Center for Investigative Reporting (LINK).
    Similar arrangements exist at many think tanks…
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/politics/think-tanks-research-and-corporate-lobbying.html?_r=1

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    philthegeek

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/

    Will be worth watching i think. Wonder what most of the questions will be about? :)

    Monday, 15 August 2016

    Greg Hunt – Minister for Industry, Innovation & Science
    Linda Burney – Shadow Minister for Human Services
    Brian Cox – Particle Physicist and TV Presenter
    Lily Serna – Mathematician and TV Presenter
    Malcolm Roberts – One Nation Senator-elect for Qld

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      AndyG55

      So the balance is 4 left-wing to 1 centre-right.

      Nothing unusual there.

      This is Brian Cox. on climate change… from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/school_report/news_day_2011/9434195.stm

      “Q: What is your opinion of climate change and how it is taught in schools?

      It’s a very good way of teaching science actually. Science is a process and climate modelling is very difficult, although climate models are good now.

      What you do now is take data and get as much as you can. Even if it is imperfect, you try to understand the errors. You build a model and test it.

      That’s essentially the irrefutable basis of the science of climate change: you cannot argue with it.”

      Trouble is, Brian, the models are A LOAD OF JUNK !! and have been proven WRONG against reality.

      The very scientific method that you purport to support, DESTROYS the hypothesis of CO2 forced global warming.

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        tom0mason

        “That’s essentially the irrefutable basis of the science of climate change: you cannot argue with it.”

        Mr Cox is wrong — an irrefutable basis is not an irrefutable fact.
        The irrefutable basis that the models’ are based is the theory of anthropogenic CO2 emissions causing catastrophic planet-wide warming and thus anthropogenic mediated climate change, increased strength and frequency of tropical storms, increased desertification, spread of tropical diseases, and most laughably ocean acidification.
        That theory (AGW, ACC, etc, etc.) can be argued against as it has never been proved by observation or measurement.

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          … You build a model and test it. That’s essentially the irrefutable basis of the science of climate change: you cannot argue with it.” Brian Cox

          There, in one sentence, you have anthropogenic climate change in a nutshell.

          The models are designed to confirm that climate change exists, and the fact that they do confirm that it it exists, confirms that the models work, and therefore climate change does exist.

          The models are designed to prove the hypothesis, and they do prove the hypothesis, and therefore climate change must exists, and since the models are man made, climate change, by this definition must also be considered to be anthropogenic.

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      el gordo

      Malcolm Roberts up against against Brian Cox and Greg Hunt on climate change. The warmists are expecting a quick kill.

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        philthegeek

        and Greg Hunt on climate change

        That bit is just silly. A GHUNT with a wet lettuce is not to be feared. Cox and Serna will likely skewer Roberts and then serve him up with the Chianti though.

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          AndyG55

          Serna is nothing but a low level mathematician, who decided she could make more using her looks on a basic trivia game show.

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      PeterPetrum

      Gee! Poor old Malcolm. Talk about being thrown to the lions. Although he is clearly knowledgable on climate issues and is a confirmed sceptic, he is not media trained and will be cut short by SnowCone before he can get to the main point of his argument. He is a brave man, and at least he is being recognised and given coverage, but I fear it is being done for one reason only – to discredit him!

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      So think up the most wicked questions that Cox et al will give to Malcolm (and they probably won’t be science ones) and post your advice and suggestions here. I’ll send it to him. We have been emailing to help him prepare.

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        PeterPetrum

        Good idea, Jo. I think the most likely thing he will get thrown at him is along the lines of – “the last 10/15 years/days have been the warmest on record, how do you explain that if it is not man made global warming” – as I said above, his main problem will be getting his answers out before being interrupted. He needs one sentence retorts, such as “1935 (or whatever) was warmer” or “it was much warmer during the Federation Drought in the late 1800′s”. He will not have time or be given the opportunity to get involved in science. He just needs, short, pithy but accurate “facts” to refute any rubbish “facts” from the other side. If you can help him with this, it will be useful. Tell him to stand in front of a mirror, ask himself the question and listen and watch his answer until he is happy with it. It will just flow then. I used to do this in the car going to interviews – I think other road users thought I was daft!

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          ianl8888

          … his main problem will be getting his answers out before being interrupted …

          Catallaxy runs “interruption lotto” on Monday nights. The aim is to guess how many times the parasite Jones and his hand-picked audience can interrupt the night’s target, in this case Roberts of course.

          Cassandra agrees that short, single-sentence answers of fact are the best defence; actual science will not get a guernsey. The AGW hypothesis (NOTE: not empirically tested theory) is based on weak heating from increased atmospheric CO2 levels causing an increase in stronger GHG water vapour. The weakness is obvious – the water cycle is much shorter, and precipitation is a release of heat that is radiated into space. This allows the short, simple question: what is empirically different in climate now at 400ppm that, say, 300ppm CO2 didn’t exhibit ? The likely answer is a blurb using the precautionary principle and very long timescales – this demonstrates the hypothetical nature of the models and shows why predictions are avoided like medieval plague.

          But the biggest risk for Roberts is a series of concerted attacks along the Sovereign Citizen lines. Irresistible for the ABC.

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            el gordo

            ‘…a series of concerted attacks along the Sovereign Citizen lines.’

            The producers will go out of their way to protect Cox from embarrassment, so they won’t talk about climate change.

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              philthegeek

              so they won’t talk about climate change.

              Yup, that would be why they have the panel they do for monday……..:)

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          Andrew McRae

          Roberts should at least give better arguments for his position than Cook and Sherwood gave for theirs. Astonishing how virtually none of the “responses from climate scientists” actually addressed the point that Roberts was trying to make. Even more astonishing is that nobody at the ABC noticed that Cook is not a climate scientist, but they present his opinion in an article about what climate scientists think.
          Hmmm, well none of that should be astonishing really.

          Anyhow, that article is probably a good preview of what he’ll be attacked on.

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        AndyG55

        Cox and the other dolts will only have the standard cult AGW talking points at their disposal.

        If Jones let’s Malcolm speak, it could get very messy for David Cox and the others.

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        AndyG55

        Malcolm should brush up on what Cox has said in previous interview.

        Alarmist wannabes are so often stuck with the one idea they once had.

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        Andrew McRae

        We have been emailing to help him prepare.

        Then he is sunk.
        The first question about CO2 and out will come all the Salby nonsense, long disproved but never recanted.

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        I think what Cox is likely to do is refer to the IPCC as the plce to go for all human knowledge on climate when Roberts trots out his now over repeated line about wanting “empirical evidence”.

        If Roberts says rejects that report, Cox et al will express frustration but they have a clear path then; they ask Roberts directly what he considers to be the sort of empirical data (objectively there is data out there so Roberts must be considering it insufficient) that would support AGW. I can see Roberts answering with an unreasonable demand fallacy type of data collection regime.

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        I am not conversant with the AU brand of politics. But it appears that the ABC will not let him speak. From the very start, at intriduction, he must clearly and calmly state that his only job for the next 3 years is to represent the voting public of Queensland, whatever they wish, his job is to get it from your hostile government in Canberra. If they will not let him speak he should simply get up and leave, also clearly and calmly.

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        Rick Will

        Every year is hotter than the last – Surely that is sufficient empirical evidence that there is global warming?

        The level of the oceans are increasing due to expansion of water with temperature and the melting of land based ice. More clear evidence of increasing global temperature?

        Humans produce vast quantities of CO2 that is going into the atmosphere. This additional greenhouse gas is the reason the global temperature is rising.

        Even if you do not agree with the vast majority of scientists that CO2 is causing the rise in global temperature surely any sensible person would opt for insurance against the worst outcome by spending now to reduce CO2 output.

        Anyhow renewable energy is now the lowest cost source of electricity so it has become the preferred investment for electric power production.

        Surely you have vested interests in supporting fossil fuel usage because you have been employed in the coal mining industry and that industry provides your main support base.

        When fossil fuel runs out there will need to be an alternative. Surely it makes sense to accelerate the development of renewable sources of energy now so they are available when there is no more fossil fuel to extract.

        Only 77 Australians actually voted for you directly in the senate elections. Surely that does not give you any meaningful mandate for your opinions.

        Which banks belong to the cabal that is promoting climate change for their own benefit and how do they benefit.

        What do you say to the 2 million Australia households who have invested in rooftop solar systems to reduce their CO2 footprint. Your views are contrary to this large proportion of the population who have provided their own financial backing in support of the science behind global warming and the role CO2 plays.

        Australia is a signatory to the Paris agreement to limit global temperature rise to 2C. The country has made firm commitment to reduce CO2. There is no backing down from that commitment.

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          “When fossil fuel runs out there will need to be an alternative. Surely it makes sense to accelerate the development of renewable sources of energy now so they are available when there is no more fossil fuel to extract.”

          What makes you think that your “renewable sources” are RENEWABLE! Not one so far has produced enough energy to replace that used in construction, installation, maintenance, and de-installation of such! Only nuclear comes anywhere close.
          It is likely that if there is an increase in surface temperature such is truly caused by wind farms. :-(

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          AndyG55

          “Every year is hotter than the last ”

          RUBBISH, only in the massively fabricated climate trougher anti-science data.

          in reality, UN-TAMPERERED data from the satellite data sets shows…….

          1. No warming in the UAH satellite record from 1980 to 1998 El Nino

          2. No warming between the end of that El Nino in 2001 and the start of the current El Nino at the beginning of 2015.

          3. No warming in the southern polar region for the whole 38 years of the satellite record.

          4. No warming in the southern ex-tropicals for 20 years.

          5. No warming in Australia for 20 years, cooling since 2002

          6. No warming in Japan surface data for the last 20 years, No warming from 1950-1990.. zero trend for 40 years

          7. No warming in the USA since 2005 when a non-corrupted system was installed, until the beginning of the current El Nino.

          8. UAH Global Land shows no warming from 1979 1997, the no warming from 2001 – 2015

          9. Iceland essentially the same temperature as in the late 1930s as now, maybe slightly lower

          10. Southern Sea temperatures not warming from 1982 2005, then cooling

          11. Even UAH NoPol shows no warming this century until the large spike in January 2016.

          That is DESPITE a large climb in CO2 levels over those periods.

          There IS NO CO2 WARMING effect.

          The ONLY real warming has come from regional ElNino and ocean circulation effects.

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            Rick Will

            Scroll up to post 17.5, read it and try to comprehend!

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              AndyG55

              I have answered all the point you have parroted.

              Anything else?

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              AndyG55

              It seems you KNEW that you were parroting RUBBISH.

              Well done. ;-)

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                Rick Will

                You would appear less silly if you read from the beginning of the thread before you make silly posts.

                In the event, the people who pose these questions do not consider them “rubbish” and your “answers” are not compelling. If Malcolm Roberts gets into responses like yours he will end up in a mess.

                Trying to get into a scientific discussion on Climate Change is impossible with the panel presented. There has to be a simple message and just stick to it. Absolutely no value in getting into a debate point by point. The best Malcolm Roberts can hope for is to come across as sane and sensible.

                I will watch with interest.

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                AndyG55

                Seems you don’t realise the truth of the matter.

                My answer are data and fact..

                Are you saying that is not important?

                Or are you a luke-warmer saying that we should cow-tow to the LIES of the AGW agenda?

                That seems to be the point you are trying to make…

                Which part of my data and points do you say are incorrect?

                Or are you saying that Malcolm should avoid the facts?

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                Gee Aye

                You realise you are addressing yourself?

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                AndyG55

                Another mindless comment from Gee.

                Nothing else expected.

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          AndyG55

          “The level of the oceans are increasing ”

          Yes at a pretty much CONSTANT 1.5-2mm per year according to tide gauges for the last 100+ years..

          There is ABSOLUTELY NO CO2 WARMING SIGNATURE in the rate of sea level

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          AndyG55

          “Anyhow renewable energy is now the lowest cost source of electricity”

          RUBBISH again…

          If it is, how about we remove all subsidies, mandated usage, massive feed-in rebates etc etc…

          and let the market decide.

          Renewables would not last more than a week or so !

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          AndyG55

          “Only 77 Australians actually voted for you directly in the senate elections”

          Where do you get this constant stream of RUBBISH.. a far-left drone site or something (ABC?)

          I wonder how many people voted directly for say the 3rd or 4th Labor senators.

          PARTY VOTES for Pauline Hanson and flow on from basically every other centre-style candidate allowed Malcolm Roberts to get into the Senate.

          Smile, be very grateful…… and Get over it. ;-)

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          AndyG55

          “Which banks belong to the cabal that is promoting climate change for their own benefit and how do they benefit. “

          ROFLMAO..

          Banks want a Carbon Tax, they can see huge profits in the trading thereof.

          “What do you say to the 2 million Australia households who have invested in rooftop solar systems to reduce their CO2 footprint”

          you mean the 24 million who paid for it?

          I doubt you would find many that weren’t in it to make a buck, and even fewer that did it totally of their own money without MASSIVE subsidy and the promise of unrealistic feed-in tariffs that hurt the rest of society.

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            Gee Aye

            Before you go completely crazy. Did you read 17.5?

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              AndyG55

              Yes..

              Rick responded with a LOAD of parroted CAGW BS just like Malcolm can expect from the panel…

              … I showed it was absolute rubbish… just like 17.5 suggested.

              Are you having comprehension issues again ?

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              AndyG55

              Poor Gee, you really should buy an annual train ticket..

              You are so, so often getting taken for a ride. !!

              So easy…. its almost a waste of time :-)

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            AndyG55

            three reds.. seems I am hitting RAW nerves again ;-)

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          el gordo

          ‘What do you say to the 2 million Australia households who have invested in rooftop solar systems to reduce their CO2 footprint.’

          They are all idiots.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      Thanks for that ptg.
      If no one else had done it, I would have posted something similar. But I’m late getting even tis far into the site today. I had thought Brian Cox would have been on our side of the debate, but decided to check, and found this, dated 2014:

      “… is statement that I believe to be correct, and can be made with certainty. It is this: The consensus scientific view is the best we can do at any given time, given the available data and our understanding of it…the scientific consensus position is the best we have. This is a definite statement, with no caveats. There is no way to predict the likely range of global average temperatures in 2100 other than by modeling the climate, using climate science. The only logical way to make a decision is to base it on the best science available at the time because there is no other way. So read the most recent IPCC document for policy makers, which is the best summary of the science we have at the present time. Make decisions based on that.
      As a final call, Cox stated, “Don’t undermine the science just because you don’t like the economics.”

      http://futurism.com/brian-cox-scientists-give-false-sense-of-debate-on-climate-change/

      Regretably, as I’ve always liked the docos I’ve seen of his, I must now consider him an adversary.
      Cheers,
      Dave B

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        I read your link. Brian Cox is obviously so far into the lopsidedness of quantum probabilities that he even thinks that is some sort of science! It is so nice that he thinks the Higgs Boson has been ‘found’! The whole the Standard Model of particle physics is but a thought experiment, with no measurable physical existence. I suppose them best we can do for the voting public comes from some consensus about thought probabilities! :-)

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    Neville

    At WUWT Werner Brozek showed the number of years for the satellite temp data where there is no statistically significant warming. UAH V 6 showed no stat sig for 23 yrs 1 mth. RSS showed no stat sig for 22 yrs and 8 months. I thought the Lower trop temp was supposed to increase faster than the surface, according to AGW theory. Silly me. Yet here we have no stat significant warming in the L trop for well over half the satellite record. BTW he uses Nick Stoke’s data to derive his stat sig.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/08/08/will-2016-set-satellite-records-now-includes-june-and-july-data/

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    pat

    13 Aug: UK Telegraph: Christopher Booker: The climate change brigade are wrong again
    A few weeks of not abnormally warm summer weather have prompted light-headed journalists to report not only that this could be the “hottest August for years” and “the hottest year on record” but that, thanks to climate change, we can, within 30 years, expect “killer heatwaves” to become “the norm”. This claim was taken from the latest report by that curious body the Committee on Climate Change, which, under the Climate Change Act, has more influence than anyone else on Britain’s energy policy.
    This report on the risks posed to the UK by climate change was produced by a special sub-committee chaired by the zoologist Lord Krebs, and made up of a solicitor, a doctor, an engineer, an economist and the former chief executive of the RSPB. None has any expertise in climate science…READ ON
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/13/the-climate-change-brigade-are-wrong-again/

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    pat

    13 Aug: UK Express: Zoie O’Brien: Freak climate changes could spark ‘mini ice-age’ in Britain from 2017
    A “triple whammy” of unlikely weather surprises could cause temperatures to plummet from next year.
    Experts believe the UK could be in for a big freeze within the next few years as three major forms of climate change trigger “substantial cooling”.
    Drastic changes in ocean conditions, greenhouse gases and a weakening of the sun threaten increasingly worsening winters of blistering blizzards and severe snowstorms for years to come.
    Dramatic climate changes and “hasty policies” to handle them could mean “rolling blackouts” in the UK over the next few years…
    Scientists recently warned the sun’s activity is at its lowest for 100 years and some have even drawn parallels with the period when the last mini ice age hit…
    The Met Office said the onset of La Nina from 2017 is likely to “buck the trend” in terms of record breaking global temperature averages, predicting a cool down across the globe.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/699681/FREAK-climate-changes-spark-min-ice-age-Britain-2017

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    pat

    be thankful i only needed to excerpt info on two out of the four:

    14 Aug: ABC: Meet the four scientists taking over ABC News Snapchat for National Science Week
    Monday: Jodie Rummer, James Cook University
    Jodie Rummer is a marine biologist tracking the athletic capacity in fish to determine how climate change will affect the future of ecosystems and biodiversity…
    Rummer: “We’re changing their environment … the water temperature is rising, the oceans are acidifying, there’s run off — all of these things are making for not so nice training facilities for these fish.”…
    Tuesday: Nij Lal, University of Melbourne
    Nij Lal is a physicist who is researching how to make more efficient solar panels…
    Lal: “[I'll be] looking at some physics demonstrations in the Monash Renewable Energy lab”…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-14/science-week-four-scientists-take-over-abc-news-snapchat/7721790

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    pat

    12 Aug: ClimateChangeNews: Megan Darby: Weekly wrap: Brazil ratification brings Paris Agreement closer
    If all the other countries that have promised to formally join the deal this year are true to their word, it will enter into force in 2016.
    It’s not a done deal – those statements are open to interpretation – but with countries as diverse as Cameroon, Iran and Ukraine doing their homework, analysts are increasingly confident it could happen.
    Trump-proofing
    That would lock the historic carbon cutting agreement into international law ***before Donald Trump could get his little hands on it.
    The US Republican presidential nominee would still disrupt the hard-won global consensus if he scrapped Barack Obama’s domestic climate policies, as threatened…
    No-dig for victory
    If farmers don’t change their ways, the breadbasket of Britain will lose its prime topsoil within a generation. A warning like that – from government climate adviser Lord Krebs – deserves investigation…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/08/12/weekly-wrap-brazil-ratification-brings-paris-agreement-closer/

    ***Megan, why the concern? surely the polls are telling us Clinton has won already!

    11 Aug: ClimateChangeNews: Brazil senate approves Paris climate deal
    By Claudio Angelo in Brasilia
    Brazil’s interim president Michel Temer looks set to announce his country’s ratification of the Paris Agreement in September, after a final legal hurdle for domestic approval was cleared…
    In order to enter into force, the Paris Agreement needs ratification by at least 55 countries, accounting for at least 55% of global greenhouse-gas emissions. As of today, 22 countries have ratified, covering a mere 1.08% of global emissions…
    The world’s top two polluters, China and the USA, had already committed themselves to join the agreement this year, and are likely to deposit their respective ratification/accession instruments during Ban’s event.
    With the USA (17.89% of global emissions), China (20.09%) and Brazil (2.48%) on board, the agreement would reach 41.54% of global emissions, according to official UN figures…
    The think-tank Climate Analytics has released a ratification forecast: based on official declarations made by other emitters, like Argentina, Canada and Australia, the number of ratifying parties in 2016 could reach 55, making up 56% of global emissions.
    In theory, that would make the Paris Agreement ready for entry into force this year, four years ahead of the official deadline.
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/08/11/brazil-senate-approves-paris-climate-deal/

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    Retired Now

    Who do I believe – the hottest year eva reporters? Or the older Kmart shop assistant who said it has been the coldest winter for a while? They sold out of all their heaters, had to urgently order more in and sold out of those too. Also sold out of all knee rugs and most of their winter blankets with very little choice left. You would think that with all the stuff people have in their houses that they would already have had enough heaters and blankets, but it seems not.

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      Gee Aye

      Did they have a special they didn’t have before?

      Had they only worked there since summer?

      Did they work previously in Townsville

      You win this month’s award for stupidest comment!

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        AndyG55

        “You win this month’s award for stupidest comment!”

        Gee, you must be seriously miffed to have a competitor.

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        Andrew McRae

        GeeAye,
        If you’re going to compare and judge the comments in this blog to assign a stupidest comment award every month then you are setting yourself up for a lot of work. There’s roughly 3800±400 comments per month here. There is also a lot of competition for bottom place.

        Ranking the anecdotes of a sales assistant and the insufficiencies of just-in-time inventory systems above calibrated thermometer data would certainly take a lot of bottom-feeding to beat. You should be on the lookout for the next two weeks to see if any other comment can be more stupid during August. Well done on setting a minimum standard, but probably jumping the gun if the award is per calendar month rather than rolling 30 day window.

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      Gee Aye

      And I forgot all about the complete lack of data. Stupid comment from m to forget the main point

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    pat

    hilarious:

    13 Aug: BusinessInsiderAustralia: Carolyn Beeler: The US got its first offshore wind farm (off the coast of Rhode Island), with a lot of help from Europe
    Offshore wind has been slow to arrive in the US in part because of regulatory delays and opposition from influential coastal residents…
    That didn’t happen on Block Island.
    ***“The people who live and work here feel strongly that we need to do things for our environment, so there’s a real philosophical belief in [clean energy],” says Kim Gaffett, who directs an environmental foundation on Block Island and was head of the island’s town council when the windfarm was proposed…
    The island attracts visitors and residents who value nature, which Gaffett said helped the offshore wind project succeed here when others have failed elsewhere.

    ***There’s another, more immediate reason why offshore wind is coming first to Block Island: high electricity prices.
    The island isn’t connected to Rhode Island’s grid, so it currently burns diesel that has to be shipped there from the mainland to generate electricity. That means the island’s electricity rates are among the highest in the nation. In most of the rest of the country offshore wind would cost much more than energy from other sources. But on Block Island, it might actually prove cheaper…
    Still, the public hasn’t totally been won over to offshore wind, even on eco-friendly Block Island. The wind farm is still controversial there — a topic, like politics and religion, you don’t talk about at a dinner party…READ ALL
    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-gets-its-first-offshore-wind-farm-with-a-lot-of-help-from-europe-2016-8

    read all:

    14 Aug: NYT The Haggler: David Segel: Solar snare: Spend thusands and cut Power Bills by $9 a month
    Clearly, the Fort Worth-based G.E.E. (Global Efficient Energy) could use some help shaping its public image. Especially because in recent months, more than a few of its customers have contacted the Better Business Bureau with complaints like this one sent to the Haggler…
    Q. Global Efficient Energy promised to cut our energy bill in half with a solar power system that it would install at our house. The system cost $19,900, which we would pay off in monthly installments over the course of six or seven years. Once we owned the system outright, the company said, we’d pay next to nothing for energy.
    That sounded great. But after the company installed solar panels on our roof, solar-powered fans in our attic and a bunch of energy-saving foam and sealants, our electricity bill barely changed. We saved about $9 a month.
    I called to vent to the guy who sold us the system, but he had left the company. Now nobody will return my calls or emails. Having read online about other customers with similar problems, I’ve lost all faith in G.E.E. I’d like the system removed and our $19,900 loan canceled.
    Can you help?…
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/your-money/solar-snare-spend-thousands-and-cut-power-bills-by-9-a-month.html?_r=0

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      Mari C

      Block Island sounds like one of the few -good- candidates for wind power – as long as the diesel is maintained as back up. There are places where wind power has a use and could even be more affordable than the current situation. But for most of us, and for a primary source, it’s worthless.

      Even solar has a use in some places – but not as a sole, or even primary, power source. I’d do my outdoor and some indoor lights with solar & battery, but never rely on it for anything else. Heck, I’ve got a bunch of under US$2.00 path lights scattered about the yard and garden so I can navigate after dark, use a few in windows inside for night-lights. But count on it to run my fridge? My computer? Nope.

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    pat

    13 Aug: Bloomberg: Cass R. Sunstein: A Court Ruling That Could Save the Planet
    A federal court this week upheld the approach that the government uses to calculate the social cost of carbon when it issues regulations — and not just the cost imposed on Americans, but on people worldwide. It’s technical stuff, but also one of the most important climate change rulings ever…
    First established by the Barack Obama administration in 2010, the central value for the social cost of carbon, last updated in 2015, is now $36. That figure is set within a range from $11 to $105, meant to acknowledge scientific and economic uncertainty. (Disclosure: As administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, I was involved in the process.) The $36 figure has international resonance; many nations are paying attention to it. It also plays a large role in discussions about the size of any possible carbon tax.
    Any particular number will of course be highly controversial…
    Zero Zone argued that it was arbitrary and unlawful to consider global costs.
    The court disagreed. It embraced DOE’s explanation that “climate change ‘involves a global externality,’ meaning that carbon released in the United States affects the climate of the world.”…
    ***It did so on the ground that DOE had acted reasonably, whether or not it was right…
    Unless the Supreme Court intervenes (which is unlikely), that foundation is now secure. In the U.S. and elsewhere, the social cost of carbon is likely to play a defining role in the coming years.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-08-12/a-court-ruling-that-could-save-the-planet

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      Mari C

      One of the problems with leaping into court is that if the case is hinged on a -legal- idea, the science behind the complaint is not considered, only the -legal- idea itself.

      So it makes sense to me that yeah, this court decided the case that way. Plus, you know, ego.

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    pat

    13 Aug: Connecticut Post: Neil Vigdor: Trump turns up the heat at Fairfield rally
    It came on the hottest day of the year in the state and just 48 hours before a $33,400-per-plate fundraiser for Hillary Clinton in Greenwich.
    A passing storm cell forced thousands of Trump’s supporters to take cover in the school’s steamy basketball arena after the presidential hopeful’s rally.
    “We’re making a big move for the state of Connecticut,” a late-arriving Trump told a capacity crowd…
    The William H. Pitt Center, the university’s basketball arena, felt more like a sauna, with 4,000 to 5,000 people wreaking havoc on the air conditioning. Outside, an overflow crowd listened to an unscripted Trump hurl insults at “crooked Hillary and Connecticut’s governor, Dannel P. Malloy…
    “It’s a garbage paper,” Trump said of the New York Times. “Maybe we’ll start thinking about taking away their press credentials from them.”
    A Secret Service agent guarded a fenced-in media workspace in the center of the arena, while one Trump supporter yelled, “You’re scum.”…
    Connecticut hasn’t broken the way of a GOP presidential candidate since 1988…
    But that history and voter registration disadvantage for Republicans belied the reception from the predominantly white audience for Trump, who swept all 28 of the state’s GOP delegates with his April primary landslide in the state.
    Thousands of people — many of them grassroots Trump supporters with no political background — endured triple-digit heat and long lines to absorb the candidate’s unfiltered and frequently-controversial message…
    Trump’s sun-burnt legions started waiting in line more than two hours before the rally, some seeking refuge under umbrellas or in the shade of trees. One of the first people in line was Jack Ehli, going into his senior year at Staples High School in Westport, who will turn 18 a few weeks before Election Day.
    “Dude, I’ve been dying for a hat,” said Ehli, his white Trump T-shirt soaked with sweat…
    http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Trump-turns-up-the-heat-at-Fairfield-rally-9141283.php

    some pics of Clinton events in the replies to Scaramucci:

    PIC: Twitter: Anthony Scaramucci: Tonight @realDonaldTrump @sacredheartuniv Enough said. We are going to win.
    https://twitter.com/Scaramucci/status/764627250830508032/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    PIC of Clinton rally in Iowa
    https://twitter.com/DntTriggerMeBro/status/764247000485363712/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    comment at ConservativeTreehouse by cathie: Trump was on fire literally and figuratively. Saturday night and competing with the Olympics. This man just out-did Phelps. He is amazing.

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    Lewis P Buckingham

    There is a problem in the NDIS.
    One of my children, a quadriplegic spastic,speech dysplastic, in a wheelchair with Croan’s disease, applied to the NDIS over two months ago with a full submission.
    There has been no response.
    This is despite five emails sent by her to ask progress.
    We have had a similar problem with the national census.
    No letter, no log in.
    I rang Census the week before the due date and was told all I had to do was give contact phone numbers and they would send someone around.
    Our address does not come up on the system despite us all voting.
    It must be somewhere.
    So far nothing has happened, no phone calls, no messages, no person.
    Last night I watched SBS tell me that because a failed asylum seeker was knifed in NG and a good lady wants to go to Australia, there has to be another Royal Commission.
    This morning I learned that the $ 500 million royal commission into Institutional Child has so far referred just 60 cases to the police.
    My needs are simple, just a response from the NDIS and the Census.
    No need for a Royal Commission.

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    Albert

    Why is it that 4,000 scientists from the IPCC and ALL government scientists had CONSENSUS that the dangerous temperature increase for the Earth was 2C and now without any explanation from any of these geniuses the new dangerous temperature for Earth is 1.5C
    I still haven’t seen the Earth’s weather anywhere visited by any extreme of the last 2 centuries…….I’m waiting !

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    handjive

    Who knew?

    Carbon capture & storage can work when done correctly, and without a tax, renewable energy or Turnbull’s “innovation”:

    ABC Landline video @19.00 minutes -

    ALASTAR DENNIS, LANDHOLDER: It’s exhaust emission technology where we cool down the exhaust gas from a tractor and basically use that as a fertiliser while we’re planting a crop, or deep ripping or anything you do with a tractor that involves soil or pasture, you can use it for those applications.

    DAVE DENNIS: The emissions are a very good replacement for conventional fertiliser. The nitrous oxide feeds the soil microbes; they feed the plant.
    We’re working out how to get that best into the soil and this time we had an old mouldboard plough which we hooked up and Alastar put tubes under the ploughing.
    As it folded over, it trapped the carbon underneath the furrow.

    TIM LEE: Exhaust emissions, normally belched into the atmosphere, are being usefully harnessed.

    Alastar Dennis has used this method extensively and successfully in cropping in Tanzania. He’d love to see it widely used in Australia.

    ALASTAR DENNIS: All of a sudden, there’s no big fertiliser bill at the end of the year to pay and it also helps with the microbial activity in the soil, you get a lot of moisture and moisture coming out of the pipes actually helps to germinate the seed with that extra warmth when you’re planting as well, so we’ve found it has a really very good benefit.
    . . .
    Seriously, check it out. A simple solution.

    All those VW diesel emissions going to waste!

    Oh, wait. No they’re not: Earth getting greener due to rising carbon dioxide levels, global snapshot shows

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      ianl8888

      Earth getting greener due to rising carbon dioxide levels, global snapshot shows

      Actual empirical evidence of the impact of increasing atmospheric CO2 levels – and it shows an increase in the rate of plant growth through increasing photosynthesis. Greenies being greened, as it were …

      This empirical evidence actually gives the AGW advocates a real problem. How can they mis-represent photosynthesis as pollution ? All we can do is stay breathlessly tuned.

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        handjive

        Perhaps that ABC post “Earth getting greener due to rising carbon dioxide levels, global snapshot shows” can somehow be quoted back at the ABC tonight by Malcolm Roberts when required.

        When saying ‘empirical evidence’, recommend viewers simply search ABC for phrase “Earth getting greener due to rising carbon dioxide levels, global snapshot shows“?

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      Carbon capture & storage can work when done correctly…..

      Exhaust from a tractor!!!

      What?

      CO2 emitted from Bayswater – around 20 Million tonnes per year.

      Hmm!

      Slight difference there.

      Tony.

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